Jim Bakker Show - All Things Work Together For Good - Pastor John Lindell on The Jim Bakker Show
Aired: 2019-04-30
Duration: 03:36


=== Four Families Started (03:36) ===

[00:00:00]  So you said the most powerful word in the world is what?
[00:00:05]  Grace.
[00:00:07]  Grace.
[00:00:08]  Oh, people.
[00:00:10]  God is going to do something for you today.
[00:00:12]  Yes.
[00:00:12]  This is going to be your special day.
[00:00:15]  And we're just so thrilled to have you here.
[00:00:17]  You live just down the road of peace, as they say, up here in the hills.
[00:00:21]  But you're from Springfield, Missouri.
[00:00:22]  We are.
[00:00:23]  And you've been pastoring there over 25 years, I think.
[00:00:27]  Almost 28 now.
[00:00:28]  28.
[00:00:30]  28 years, hard to believe.
[00:00:31]  Wow.
[00:00:32]  And so you've been pastoring there, and you were a young guy when you went there.
[00:00:41]  Now, what are you saying, Jim?
[00:00:42]  Yeah, I mean, you were really young.
[00:00:44]  How old were you when you went to Springfield?
[00:00:46]  29.
[00:00:47]  And you'd already pastored.
[00:00:48]  We had pastored out in western Kansas, and then we pioneered a church in the Kansas City area, and it was a rough go.
[00:00:54]  And so we really moved here feeling like a failure, honestly.
[00:00:59]  Not you.
[00:01:00]  And I, well, yeah.
[00:01:01]  And Debbie, when we loaded up our U-Haul, we got in the truck, and before we took off from Kansas City, I said, we're going to go to Springfield and we're going to give it a go.
[00:01:11]  But if it doesn't work, I want to go back to law school.
[00:01:13]  Wow.
[00:01:13]  Because really, I'd lost sense of my calling, honestly.
[00:01:17]  And it felt like such a failure in believing God and trusting God.
[00:01:23]  And, you know, Kansas City was a tough go.
[00:01:25]  So we came to James River.
[00:01:27]  And that's one of the things, you know, sometimes people look at something on the outside and they think one way.
[00:01:32]  And then when they hear the inside story, they realize it's much different than that.
[00:01:36]  But we came here.
[00:01:37]  I told the leadership council because they'd been going for eight months.
[00:01:41]  Yes.
[00:01:41]  They had 82 people.
[00:01:43]  And I told them, I said, listen, I'm tired.
[00:01:47]  My wife's tired.
[00:01:48]  Please don't ask her to do anything for the next nine months.
[00:01:51]  But if you're needing somebody who has a vision for Springfield and can just excite people, I'm probably not your guy.
[00:02:01]  And, you know, they hired me.
[00:02:02]  I can't believe I don't know why they would do that.
[00:02:06]  I don't know why they would, you know.
[00:02:08]  So how old were you when you came?
[00:02:09]  29.
[00:02:10]  And you had two babies?
[00:02:12]  We had three.
[00:02:13]  Oh, the boys.
[00:02:13]  Two, three, four.
[00:02:14]  The boy had already been born.
[00:02:15]  Yeah, two, three, and four.
[00:02:16]  And our youngest is a daughter, Savannah, and she was four.
[00:02:20]  So they were young.
[00:02:21]  Four, five, and six.
[00:02:22]  And you came, the church, James River, which everybody knows James River here.
[00:02:27]  You know that.
[00:02:27]  I mean, and you have.
[00:02:31]  We're the great church in Europe America.
[00:02:36]  You have several campuses, actually.
[00:02:38]  We do.
[00:02:39]  We have four campuses now.
[00:02:40]  We just opened one in Joplin, but we have three in Spain.
[00:02:45]  Wow.
[00:02:46]  So exciting.
[00:02:48]  I love it.
[00:02:50]  But it was in a store building or something.
[00:02:53]  It was.
[00:02:53]  It was in a storefront, and they were just renting space.
[00:02:56]  In fact, it started next door to a tattoo parlor.
[00:03:01]  Who started all of this, right?
[00:03:02]  This tattoo thing?
[00:03:03]  It was four families that started, yeah.
[00:03:05]  Oh, but I mean, this is the tattoo job.
[00:03:08]  But you know, but you are reaching the youth, and you didn't even use the tattoo parlor next door.
[00:03:15]  Yeah, the Lord just said to say, you know, sometimes, and I think you understand this because of all you've seen, there's times the Lord just breathes on something, and the result is something that defies human explanation, human quantification.
[00:03:30]  That's James River.
[00:03:32]  God breathed on that church and raised up a church in really a small community.