Jim Bakker Show - Root Issues - Evangelist Alveda King and Bishop Ron Webb
Aired: 2017-08-31
Duration: 06:45


=== Memorials Under Attack (06:33) ===

[00:00:00]  Right now what I want to talk about is what people are talking about, the memorials that are being taken down, Lincoln Memorial vandalized with red spray paint.
[00:00:12]  Shocking.
[00:00:12]  And part of this particular one at the Lincoln Memorial, they literally carved out in the pillars there.
[00:00:22]  They carved out so they never can be repaired, they're saying.
[00:00:27]  Which is so heartbreaking.
[00:00:29]  If you've ever been, most American, every American should go to Washington, D.C. and see the memorials.
[00:00:35]  But the thing is to see that and to say they're not going to be able to fix it.
[00:00:39]  Abraham Lincoln Monument.
[00:00:41]  Here's another headline from the Washington Times.
[00:00:44]  Abraham Lincoln Monument torched in Chicago.
[00:00:48]  Yeah.
[00:00:48]  Wow.
[00:00:49]  An absolute disgraceful act.
[00:00:52]  Can you believe the Washington Times is saying that?
[00:00:54]  An absolute disgrace.
[00:00:56]  And it is.
[00:00:57]  We're still dealing with root issues.
[00:01:00]  And what we're seeing now is the manifestation of what has not been taken care of of roots.
[00:01:05]  This is a part of our history.
[00:01:07]  And to destroy that, good, bad, or ugly, history is history.
[00:01:11]  Now, it may be a better idea to put all these statues into a museum and let the people go.
[00:01:19]  Abraham Lincoln needs to go to a museum?
[00:01:22]  No, I'm just saying for the world's point of view, this is a part of our history.
[00:01:28]  Duke University removed already Robert E. Lee.
[00:01:32]  I was just with some very well-known people.
[00:01:34]  I won't give their name.
[00:01:35]  They're going to come on my show, and so I'll let them tell them.
[00:01:38]  But they are relatives of Robert E. Lee.
[00:01:42]  Yes.
[00:01:43]  And the mother, the wife, she's relatives of another of the leaders of the Civil War.
[00:01:52]  And these monuments should be memorials, not to honor them or anything.
[00:01:59]  And then here's another big, big headline.
[00:02:02]  Let's get rid of Mount Rushmore.
[00:02:05]  And then there's the one in Georgia.
[00:02:07]  You know Georgia, don't you?
[00:02:09]  Stone Mountain.
[00:02:11]  It will never be.
[00:02:12]  Stone Mountain.
[00:02:13]  They want to bring down, they want to explode.
[00:02:17]  But the people are not understanding what's going on.
[00:02:20]  Can you explain it to us?
[00:02:21]  I want to jump in on that.
[00:02:23]  And someone who's very close to me say, please don't go on national television and say all the statues are idols.
[00:02:30]  But I just said it on national television.
[00:02:32]  Let me explain what I mean by that.
[00:02:35]  In the Bible, we are warned, little children, keep yourselves from idols.
[00:02:40]  Right.
[00:02:41]  I know that one.
[00:02:41]  The same thing happens if I find myself in front of a statue or something and I'm admiring it and thinking all of this.
[00:02:49]  I'm saying, this is getting close to worship.
[00:02:52]  And so I'm supposed to keep myself from idols.
[00:02:54]  These are inanimate objects that are used to remind us of some good work that someone does.
[00:03:00]  But I know God knowing all things knew that in 2017, there were going to be people in America trying to tear down statues and fight and curse and mess them up.
[00:03:11]  So let's go back into context to remember that these should have been these, probably not at all, but we've got all these statues everywhere.
[00:03:20]  So the answer is not to burn them or tear them down or blow up Mount Rushmore or blow up Stone Mountain.
[00:03:26]  That is not the answer.
[00:03:27]  In returning to God, say, God, you warned us, you told us this kind of thing could happen.
[00:03:31]  We're very sorry.
[00:03:33]  We worship you.
[00:03:34]  And so if America goes into an act of worship and prayer, then the context will come.
[00:03:41]  We don't want to erase our history because if you erase your history, you're going to repeat it because you'll forget.
[00:03:45]  And the next generation won't remember.
[00:03:48]  So we have to remember, but let them not be idols.
[00:03:52]  Yes.
[00:03:53]  And then with what, you know.
[00:03:55]  We must remember slavery, though.
[00:03:57]  You have to remember.
[00:03:59]  Right, or am I wrong?
[00:04:00]  Black children need to know there was slavery.
[00:04:03]  And however, we were emancipated.
[00:04:06]  God used the president to do that.
[00:04:08]  We must remember that.
[00:04:10]  But just remember, we're not supposed to be fighting over these and not repeat it.
[00:04:15]  Pastor Jim, you said something.
[00:04:17]  Should we annihilate it?
[00:04:20]  Should we get rid of it?
[00:04:21]  No, we're not saying that.
[00:04:23]  Memorials are very important.
[00:04:26]  When the children of Israel came out of slavery, when they came out of Egypt, when Joshua was crossing the Jordan, what did he say?
[00:04:35]  Take stones out of this river, place them on the riverbank for you, number one, and for your children, number two.
[00:04:43]  So when they see these stones, they will ask, why are these stones here?
[00:04:49]  Then you remind them that it was God that brought us through what we've just come through.
[00:04:54]  So those memorials are not there to worship.
[00:04:58]  They're there as a remembrance.
[00:05:00]  You never want to erase history because history lets us know what we've come through to get to where we are today.
[00:05:06]  Exactly.
[00:05:07]  When I saw the statue come down where the girl went up and lassoed the soldier, and they got a close-up there of the statue as it was coming down.
[00:05:19]  And honestly, do you know what it said?
[00:05:21]  It says, in memory of the soldiers who had fought in the war and gave up their lives, thousands of soldiers died fighting for what they believed.
[00:05:35]  And most of them went because they were called to serve, you know.
[00:05:42]  And so it was, and when I read that on that statue, it says, in memory of what they did, that's not a bad thing.
[00:05:49]  The fact that they died, but now, see, 2017, Father, on every side we got it wrong.
[00:05:56]  We've messed up a lot.
[00:05:57]  Please forgive us and heal us.
[00:06:00]  Yes.
[00:06:00]  And let us forget our wounded hearts and broken hearts.
[00:06:05]  And remember that you are the healer through the blood of your Son by the power of your Holy Spirit.
[00:06:10]  So we turn away from the hate and we embrace your love.
[00:06:14]  And that's the answer to it.
[00:06:15]  That's the way you do that.
[00:06:17]  So you know that they suffered.
[00:06:18]  Brothers fought brothers across those lines.

=== Recognize the Hurt (00:26) ===

[00:06:21]  Shocking.
[00:06:22]  And you see, and so all of that has to be healed.
[00:06:25]  But the only way to do it is still repent.
[00:06:27]  That's it.
[00:06:28]  For every wrong, on every side.
[00:06:30]  And didn't the president say that?
[00:06:31]  He said there's wrong on both sides.
[00:06:33]  Oh, Lord.
[00:06:34]  That's hard to see.
[00:06:35]  But we all have to come and repent together, recognize the hurt on both sides.
[00:06:42]  Jim, you're totally right.
[00:06:43]  There was pain on both sides.
[00:06:44]  Yes.