Jim Bakker Show - In The Upper Room - Heritage USA Today
Aired: 2013-03-26
Duration: 06:08


=== Restoring Through People (05:02) ===

[00:00:00]  So, Rick Jordan, you took a mess.
[00:00:04]  And even the mess is a message.
[00:00:06]  You used to tell me something.
[00:00:08]  You used to tell me that I was, oh, I say I'm not a prophet, but you said you are a prophetic word.
[00:00:13]  You remember ever saying that?
[00:00:15]  Why do you say that?
[00:00:17]  Well, I think some people, they are more of the prophetic message than just words they could give.
[00:00:25]  I think your life, you really mirrored many things that were going on in the body of Christ.
[00:00:31]  And I also believe that more than the buildings, these buildings, and listen, what Bill did to restore this was remarkable because we ran to a block restoring this.
[00:00:41]  We were told it couldn't be done because the mold was done.
[00:00:44]  Over this upper room, prophecies from the government said, you will never use this building again.
[00:00:51]  Black mold, like sin, had covered the place.
[00:00:54]  Black mold.
[00:00:56]  You could never open it.
[00:00:57]  It is too far gone.
[00:00:58]  It's like the song, The Old Lighthouse.
[00:01:00]  Bob and Jeannie Johnson here.
[00:01:02]  Remember the lighthouse?
[00:01:04]  People don't go there anymore.
[00:01:06]  Let's tear it down.
[00:01:08]  But a dumb bad boy right there, Russell James, I love Russell.
[00:01:12]  He's my friend, so don't say I'm mocking him.
[00:01:16]  The bad boy says, no, they're not going to tear it down.
[00:01:22]  We're going to restore it.
[00:01:25]  And here we are back.
[00:01:28]  After 25 years, the mold's gone.
[00:01:32]  And God's people have gathered here in the upper room.
[00:01:35]  And it's having services almost every day now.
[00:01:39]  But what you did, you restored that building.
[00:01:42]  It's not buildings.
[00:01:44]  But this happens to be a God building that I'm sitting in.
[00:01:47]  I mean, this was given to God, and no man has a right to take it away.
[00:01:50]  And the man who started me in the ministry, his body lays out there.
[00:01:54]  At one point, they were actually starting to tear it down.
[00:01:57]  They didn't know how to move a dead body.
[00:02:00]  It was a lot of permits to move a dead body.
[00:02:02]  And my Russell, Russell, what's Aubrey Sarah?
[00:02:06]  Aubrey Sarah's body laying out there.
[00:02:09]  Go visit his grave.
[00:02:10]  He's the man who saw something in me when I was a kid.
[00:02:13]  I preached my first revival.
[00:02:15]  I didn't have a car.
[00:02:16]  He drove me around to the revivals.
[00:02:19]  He got me ordained in the ministry.
[00:02:22]  And he's laying.
[00:02:24]  When he died, he was assigned on a sheet to be in this upper room as he was the pastor of this upper room.
[00:02:33]  And here his body lay in state.
[00:02:35]  God's people have more power when they're dead even.
[00:02:39]  That's good.
[00:02:45]  But I had the privilege yesterday of teaching two-hour class.
[00:02:50]  I love two-hour classes in your college.
[00:02:54]  That building that was burnt, that building that was horrible, that building that you saw.
[00:03:02]  In fact, I actually prophesied to you, which is sort of crazy, but I said, God wants you to have Heritage USA.
[00:03:13]  I knew it.
[00:03:14]  I prayed.
[00:03:15]  This isn't mine.
[00:03:16]  I may never come back here again.
[00:03:18]  I have no plans to come back.
[00:03:20]  It's not my ministry.
[00:03:22]  There's other people here.
[00:03:24]  Rick is shepherding his man.
[00:03:26]  But there's ministries all over these grounds.
[00:03:29]  They're tucked in here and there.
[00:03:31]  I think in your building, you have more than your ministry even.
[00:03:34]  Yeah, we've got a number of ministries.
[00:03:35]  And that's what, you know, Russell took this part.
[00:03:39]  We couldn't do this.
[00:03:40]  We had our hands full and we ran to that mold block.
[00:03:43]  We just said, you know.
[00:03:44]  Of course, I had a different plan.
[00:03:46]  When you run into something that says, stop, something else is going to happen then.
[00:03:48]  Yeah, and the Hills took part over here in the barn.
[00:03:51]  Dale Hills got the big barn and the studio.
[00:03:54]  Amazing.
[00:03:55]  We'll be there tomorrow.
[00:03:56]  Yeah, and even our part, we had so many churches that got behind us and sponsored rooms and prayer groups and everything.
[00:04:05]  It takes the body of Christ to restore.
[00:04:08]  But what was to be the lobby is now packed month after month, jammed, singing, shouting all night long.
[00:04:15]  Prophets from over the world, ministries from all over the world.
[00:04:19]  All these things are coming in there, and now this amazing college is raising up the young that are going to take the world.
[00:04:26]  Yeah, that is the goal.
[00:04:28]  That is the goal.
[00:04:30]  So it's what's in the building that counts.
[00:04:35]  The buildings are important.
[00:04:36]  They're a symbol.
[00:04:37]  They're a sign of God's power of redemption and restoration, I believe.
[00:04:43]  But more important than that are people.
[00:04:46]  Right.

=== John Dawson's Insight (01:20) ===

[00:04:47]  Any one of his person is more important than all the buildings combined.
[00:04:51]  But the buildings are important.
[00:04:53]  I mean, these are, you know, these were purchased.
[00:04:56]  They were made sacred by the gifts that purchased them, that built them, that restored them.
[00:05:03]  And, you know, a friend of ours, John Dawson, once said, when we were able to purchase, what, a $50 million, what you'd spend about $50 million building for $1.6 million.
[00:05:17]  Yeah, that building, that single building was $60 million.
[00:05:21]  $60 million.
[00:05:22]  We buy it for $1.6 million.
[00:05:23]  Now, it takes a lot to restore, but I thought John Dawson had a real good insight.
[00:05:29]  You got that so cheap because God's people were not going to have to pay for that twice.
[00:05:33]  Again, twice.
[00:05:35]  So anybody you gave to the lifetime partner you gave to any.
[00:05:38]  It's being utilized as much as ever on earth.
[00:05:42]  It's all being restored.
[00:05:43]  John Hage did one of the first meetings in the barn a few weeks ago.
[00:05:47]  I mean, these facilities are being used because bad boys like Russell James, Dale Hill, who came to me when he was 15 years old.
[00:05:58]  These are the real fathers of television that most people have never heard of.
[00:06:03]  And the grandfather is right here, the man who was the first, sitting in this very room.