Tim Heidecker joins the InfoWars network under Global Tetrahedon, marking a shift from Alex Jones' alternative media roots to potential parody. The discussion critiques the Southern Poverty Law Center's alleged corruption and funding of white supremacist groups like the KKK, while addressing economic inflation, AI transhumanism, and Tesla's Optimus robots. Jason Bermas condemns X and Google as military-industrial arms suppressing free speech, urging support for independent media to counter manipulation regarding the 9/11 narrative. Ultimately, this episode highlights the evolving landscape of information warfare and the urgent need for vigilance against state-sponsored misinformation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Tim And Eric Political Commentary00:13:50
And I got to tell you, I did not in any way, shape, or form think that Tim, from Tim and Eric's quote unquote awesome show, an adult swim show that I want to say probably started in the late 90s.
Maybe it was the early 2000s.
I got to believe that at the time.
It was absolutely pre-9-11.
Tim Heidecker is supposedly going to be running the show over at InfoWars under the onion banner of Global Tetrahedon.
I got a lot to say about this.
Oh, all right.
Let's start with Infowars.com in general and the legacy of that outlet.
Let's start there.
Love or hate Alex Jones, somewhere in between.
There is no denying that he really pioneered what would become the quote unquote alternative media.
You can like that.
You cannot like it.
You can act like it's not real.
I assure you it's real.
Okay?
You know, by far, to this day, probably as far as like any kind of true independent media, the biggest thing out there.
And I'm not talking about the daily wires of the world, even the Blaze TV that may be better than most on some things.
I'm sorry, they just don't really count to me.
As true alternative media, there's plenty of true alternative media that's tried to do it, that's tried to stick around.
GNN, Guerrilla News Network back in the day, I would absolutely consider them a part of it.
I would say that to this day, like another example, even though they don't do video content, which is a big problem if you really want to be in this arena, Mint Press is pretty independent, but there's not a lot out there.
And now there's going to be, I wouldn't say even less because the Alex Jones Network is going to be there, but InfoWars as a term, as a brand, is like Disney, right?
Like, even if you're not somebody that watches Alex Jones or is familiar with Alex Jones, you know, you might know the term InfoWars.
And because of you, Knowing that you might have an opinion on it, whether it's an educated opinion or not.
Okay.
So, again, this is an outlet that started in the late 90s, I believe.
And when I first came across it post 9 11, it was very much in the style of what would become blogging.
You know, the very early internet age when people remember when you used to hear this, you don't hear it.
It's on the internet, it must be true.
Right?
And now everything shifted to the internet.
So that argument is used less and less.
So Jones took what was a public access show.
I really want you to think about that.
How many people do you know that started doing quote unquote public access and had any type of success?
Forget about the massive success Alex would eventually have, but any type of success doesn't exist.
Yeah, no, no.
I'm part of the Independent Media Alliance and The Last American Vagabond is great and I love them.
And, you know, I saw the.
The commentary there and Ryan, you know, to his credit, does you know two or three hours a broadcast sometimes and is very involved.
And they and but look at how much he struggles, right?
Like, I don't think they ever restored his PayPal.
In fact, I'm almost 100% sure.
Uh, you know, payment processing, I don't think he's allowed to have a MailChimp, right?
And that's how you know, like, he's true independent media, by the way.
Uh, you know, Ryan.
Ryan's a badass.
I love Ryan, actually.
And we're long overdue for a one on one conversation.
So now that you said that, I'm probably going to reach out to him and try to get him on next week.
I know I've been sparse with the videos, guys.
I get it.
I'm working on this documentary and I'm sitting there, you know, watching hearings and watching interviews and watching old news footage.
And that's taken up a lot of my time on top of the 9 11 work I'm doing right now as well.
That's why I decided to do this one on my.
Doggy walk.
By the way, give it up a thumbs up.
But Jones took that, which was public access and basically a blog site.
And at first, you know, outside of Infowars, he, you know, was really the originator of premium video content via subscription model, right?
Like the Tuckins and TCN is a good example of how that model has not really evolved that much and was directly taken from Jones.
What do I mean by that?
Well, the Tuckens is doing documentary films.
Jones' documentaries, I think that they need to be seen and experienced to this day.
Again, disagree, agree.
I think there's a lot of value in things like 9 11, The Road to Tyranny, Dark Secrets Inside the Bohemian Grove, and Beyond, right?
I think that those, you know, his police state films, they're very eye opening.
Right, and now you're gonna have Tim Heidecker essentially turn everything into a quote unquote joke.
Let's be honest with ourselves, I don't even know how the onion still exists because they haven't been relevant like the last 15 years.
In fact, the last time that The Onion was relevant was like in that 2008 to maybe, I think I'm being generous, 2012 when not only was their website probably the biggest parody news site in the world, I think Babylon Bee has them beat by, you know, and thehardtimes.net.
I think both of those are doing well beyond The Onion at this point, but they were doing video content, right?
The Onion was doing these fake news reports.
You know, very much in the style of mainstream media, but actually making some political commentary at the time that was relevant about things like social media, Facebook, spying, government overreach.
That's gone now.
That's all gone.
And now it's going to shift into this other weird thing.
Now, I'm going to be honest.
I love Adult Swim, love it.
You know, Robot Chicken, despite the things that have been alleged against Seth Green and who knows, was an amazing show.
I don't know that it's still running.
Maybe.
But Robot Chicken, especially, that's what kind of pulled me in to the Adult Swim universe.
I remember there were the other ones out there.
There was like the Space Ghost talk show was a big thing that they had early on, etc., etc.
Never really got into Tim and Eric.
Like, Tim and Eric, for me, if you watch their show, like, you had to be coming home from the bar on acid, literally, to watch that thing and get entertainment value out of it.
If you watch that, what is it, the kid clown sketch or whatever, kid clown, children clown outlet, and you see the weird way they cut everything and how everything's like, da it's very much geared towards that.
So, I never thought that those guys were, you know, comedic geniuses or anything like that.
In fact, I feel like the stuff that did work and the stuff that was funny was in large part to their relationship with somebody like Will Ferrell or John C. Riley, right?
So, you know, I remember I even watched their movie all those years ago when it came out, and I think it came out in 2010, maybe nine.
I don't know, I'd have to look that one up.
It was horrible.
Horrible.
I also felt like their sketch comedy show was trying to be the.
Mr. Show with Bob and David, kind of thing.
And, you know, David Cross, Bob Odenkirk, it's like hundreds of times more talented than Tim and Eric.
Hundreds of times.
Not even close.
In fact, really enjoyed David Cross's latest comedy special, which you can watch for free on YouTube right now.
And I actually watched the entire conversation he had with Joe Rogan on his podcast.
I rarely.
Rarely, unless I'm on the road, you know, traveling for quite a long time, rarely listen to a full episode of The Rogues.
And, you know, I think, at least on the surface, you would think that someone like David Cross and Joe Rogan couldn't be politically aligned.
But then when you get past that surface level and you get into anti war and stuff, they are.
So now, InfoWars doesn't even become a shell of its former self.
It becomes a direct parody under what seems to be establishment control with a hack comedian, right?
Tim Heidecker, sorry, I've never found you super funny.
You know, most people in that comedy arena are much funnier than you.
You're like, I was going through some of the other sketches the other day, and I'm watching like a sketch of where Tim Heidecker has got like a bald wig on, and he's in a like cubicle office.
These guys love to dress up in drag, and like a lot of uh comedy troupes do that, right?
Like, I love the kids in the hall, not a woman on the troop, lots of guys in drag, but this one, you know, if you're seeing Eric, he's pretty overweight, and they got him in a dress as somebody who's even more overweight.
And like Tim Heidecker comes over and he's like licking his lips and basically telling him, you know, a fat man in drag pretending to be a woman how much, you know, how aroused he is.
That's funny.
I don't know.
Hack shit.
Hack shit.
So that's actually happening.
And apparently it's going to be happening Thursday.
It's going to be the last day of InfoWars.
Man, for me, talk about a trip down memory lane.
Right?
Like if you watched, uh, My recent debate with Astronomy Live and Red's Rhetoric about Artemis and whether we should be skeptical, whether they proved that Artemis 2 was tracked by amateurs and we can prove it actually did what it said it did, etc.
At one point, I told them, I go, look, man, I'm a child of the 80s.
I wanted to go to space camp as a kid.
I remember Nickelodeon would have these contests, and there were like two contests that were real big.
One was space camp, and then every year they had this contest where you'd get a certain amount of time with a shopping cart at a Toys R Us, and you could just go wild at the Toys R Us and fill the shopping cart with whatever you wanted, right?
Good stuff, good stuff.
And I mentioned to them, you know, I mean, I'm the kid that wanted to go to space camp.
When I went to work for InfoWars in my late 20s, I believe it was, That's what it felt like to me.
It felt like, wow, man, I'm literally at space camp.
You know, I'm here.
All of it was a little bit surreal.
But at the same time, I never thought I didn't belong.
You got to have that kind of confidence in yourself and in your work.
And in actuality, in so many ways, you know, it felt like you were a part of something.
Okay.
And to this day, I wear that as a badge of honor.
To this day, doesn't mean me and Alex always agreed on stuff.
Didn't mean, doesn't mean I don't have issues with some of the things he says or does now.
Southern Poverty Law Center00:15:55
Sure.
Sure.
You know, I'm hoping that through this new network.
That's going to be coming out.
Alex Jones Network, AGN, that they are able to expand even further.
You know, I believe they're live from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. at this point, which is a pretty good run if you think about it.
You know, 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., talking about 10 hours of live broadcasts.
That's not an easy thing, okay?
And, you know, originally when I went there, it was just him.
And originally, he was only doing three hours.
He wasn't even doing four hours.
There was no fourth hour of the show.
And when I got there, they expanded.
And at first, I was a two hour show.
You know, I was like that wrap up show afterwards.
Or actually, I think it was a night show.
I think I was doing it even later than that.
I think it was later than six.
I think it might have been seven to nine Central.
Turned into a weekend show, et cetera.
And then obviously, eventually, I went back home.
But out of that, you end up having American Journal, The War Room, and just like a slew.
Of other people over the last decade and a half going in there.
And a lot of people who have moved on to other media outlets and become even bigger, right?
Like, I mean, you look at somebody like Savannah Hernandez, and I hope she's doing well physically after being attacked.
She was able to kind of explode.
Joe Biggs, you know, he was there.
Obviously, what happened to Biggs via the Proud Boys and January 6th and all that other stuff is very concerning, but.
But it looks like that story may actually end up having a happy end.
There's talks now that he may be entitled to restitution of $10,000 a day for three years.
I mean, you do that math, it's a pretty good chunk of change.
Would that mean I would want to be separated from my family, my daughter specifically, for years and be in solitary and have to do?
No, I don't know that the money's actually worth it.
But in hindsight, in retrospect, At least maybe he's going to get paid out.
Okay.
So, all these people, all these things, I mean, really part of several different media movements that I think are extremely important.
And, you know, I've talked about Sandy Hook before.
I think he got it wrong.
You know, I think that there could have been, you know, if this was all on the up and up and maybe there were a couple of defamation lawsuits, yeah, maybe he would have had to pay out.
I mean, honestly, I don't think it should have been more than tens of thousands of dollars.
I don't think it ever should have even been in the quote unquote millions of dollars.
But we saw where it went to like almost a billion.
Completely absurd.
And then, you know, I think I might get this wrong, but when he actually tried to, you know, settle the whole thing and get it out of the court, I think he offered something like $96 million in structured payments over something like 20 or 30 years.
Which I think is totally crazy anyway, that he would have even done that.
But they didn't take it.
What?
And if they're not taking that and they don't want them to make money to actually pay them back, it was always about shutting this thing down.
Talk about lawfare.
That's a very dangerous place to be, is all I'm going to say.
It's a very disturbing precedent to set.
Now, I kind of want to move into.
What I think is some good news and some really unexpected news.
But yeah, no, I think this is finally it.
And all those people over there that said, oh, you know, Jones is fake, Jones is a Fed, or, you know, InfoWars is never going to get shut down.
Looks like it's happening, Captain.
Looks like it's real.
Looks like they're really shutting it down.
Just point it out.
Southern Poverty Law Center.
I was not shocked that the information came out that the Southern Poverty Law Center was actually stoking the flames.
Of racism, amplifying racism, and paying off people within Unite the Right, the Ku Klux Klan, etc.
Talking about it for years.
And again, you can talk about Jones in whatever fashion you want.
He was calling that out how many years ago?
I mean, seriously, how many years ago was he talking about the Southern Poverty Law Center and their corruption?
And how they were funding a ton of the races.
People laughed at them.
Oh, yeah, ha ha ha ha.
Now we got criminal indictments.
Let me take it a step further.
Outside of the criminal indictments, remember that they're the ones that put out the disinformation dozen stuff.
Oh, how quickly people forget.
Remember that?
Remember that, you know, the people that were fighting racism and white supremacy?
They.
We're on the attack, on the attack for the mainstream narrative surrounding the COVID-1984 nightmare.
Think about that for a minute.
Think about who these people really are.
And they attacked a bunch of doctors that dared to tell the truth about what was really going on and put out the disinformation dozen, the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Look, guys, I'm not here to tell you that racism doesn't exist.
It does.
I'm not here to say.
To anybody that you know, it doesn't concern me.
And look, I'm raising two black girls.
I don't think you can understand how angry I get when one of my nieces comes back from you know, a trip with her team, and she's in a hotel where the kids in the hallway tell her, the boys in the hallway tell her, We don't like black people.
You understand how angry I get about that?
At the same time, you're never going to hear me scream victimhood or that white supremacy is the most dangerous threat to the home.
All that bullshit.
Sorry, that's not real.
And racism has gotten better over time, way better.
I mean, again, the childhood of the 80s.
I saw a lot of the racism that was taking place in the 80s.
So much of that.
So much of that.
Was cleaned up in the sense that culture had moved on from those labels and stereotypes and bigotry by the late 90s.
By Woodstock 99, the culture had shifted so much that in what would have traditionally been like a rock concert, right?
Woodstock had all sorts of hip hop acts.
I'll never forget the DMX set, right?
And DMX.
You know, basically, like, again, you still have the remnants of assholery, of bigotry, of shitty people, where they were like picking up mud and throwing it at DMX.
I'll never forget it.
And DMX is wearing like these red overalls.
And I'll just let you guys go watch those videos.
You can pull them up.
I thought he handled it well.
But outside of those people that totally suck, I was surrounded by thousands and thousands and thousands of other people singing along.
Uh, the vast majority of them with a white skin tone, just saying, just throwing out facts there.
So, man, I hope that.
And the cool thing about the Southern Poverty Law Center case is that it's a criminal case, these aren't lawsuits.
I'd really love to see some people go to jail.
I always talk about how we don't have real accountability in this country, and I stand by that.
But my word, it would go a huge distance.
I have no idea.
How long a criminal case like this, a criminal trial is going to drag out.
I don't even know.
I mean, quite frankly, we'll see where the legal motions go here after this, but these are trials that may not take place for a year, two years.
You wonder if somehow you can push them back far enough that essentially a new administration will come in and they'll just get thrown out of court anyway.
I think that's a possibility.
You know, I'm hearing people talk about possible indictments via crossfire hurricane now.
I don't know if that's gonna happen.
You know, I'm very skeptical about all of it.
This didn't suddenly make me a Kash Patel or a Todd Blanche fan in any sense of the word.
But it's certainly, you know, again, I call balls and strikes, call them like I see them.
And there's no negativity in my mind of what just happened with outing the Southern Poverty Law Center, which, I mean, during the Dementia Joe years, the Zombie J years, right?
How many times did I have to hear about white supremacy and bigotry and, you know, the danger to the homeland?
People like Jamie Raskin.
Talking about how great the Southern Poverty Law Center is.
Make me barf.
Make me barf.
Now, the question is, does that organization like almost immediately fold?
Doubtful, but I mean, in order to keep the narrative going, I think that it's going to get an influx of big money, whereas a lot of smaller donors were pretty much responsible for their finances.
Don't get me wrong, they had shell companies.
They also had big donors.
Etc.
But if this thing wants to get rescued you know it's about to be eviscerated in the court of public opinion it's going to be hard to defend on either side, right?
So if it wants to maintain its narratives and fight this, it's going to be.
It's going to need a big influx of cash and we'll see who gives that cash, because I I can tell you right now it ain't going to be a good look.
And we're talking about, I mean, if they want to keep it moving, especially in the legal arena, We're talking about these felony indictments.
We're talking about tens of millions of dollars minimum.
And who's going to pay that?
I don't know.
Couldn't tell you.
But someone's going to have to pay it.
So we'll see if that organization continues to exist.
A lot of people now, after the SPLC felony indictments, are wondering whether or not the same thing is going to happen to the Anti-Defamation League.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Right, like the ADL, as bad as they are, guys we're.
We're in the middle of a global war right now and you know you, we can sit here and keep talking about imaginary ceasefires, and the strait Of Hamuz is open, the Strait Of Hamuz is closed, all that stuff that it ain't ending guys, and I, and I don't see uh any kind of positive, uh outcome.
I know there's a ton of people still trying to spin it that, you know, all this is almost over and they did the right thing and, you know, we're going to benefit.
You know, I'm shocked I'm not paying $5 for gas yet.
Close.
Close.
That's the other thing.
You know, you can't really run on how great the economy is anymore.
Like, inflation not only never went away, it is still occurring almost on an exponential level at this point.
And people, of course, are noticing.
I saw this new report about white collar work and how it's down, I think, 80 plus percent for this generation.
80 plus percent.
That's nothing.
Give it another three years, most white collar work is going to be cut by another 50 to 75 percent.
I got a buddy right now that has had a job for.
Over a decade and a half.
Pretty nice.
White collar work.
And they just let him go.
I think they gave him two weeks.
But the real crazy thing is, again, we're talking 15 plus years.
Two weeks notice.
No severance package.
Nothing.
Zero zip zilch.
And then you look the company up.
I'm not going to say who it is.
But you look them up and they are just doing massive layoffs.
Massive layoffs around the world.
And, you know, I very much doubt that my buddy is like it's a rare case.
You know, he's hoping that he can get a job with one of the competitors.
That's what he's working on right now.
Who knows what's going to happen?
The artificial intelligence is here, the data centers are here.
The shift to transhumanism that I've been warning about is here.
You know, Tesla.
I was talking to.
My buddy, about how Tesla isn't a car company.
Never was a car company.
It's a government subsidized military industrial complex company that is now shifting to making humanoid robots.
That's what the new factories are making, guys.
Optimus robots.
I mean, those that continued to support the Muskernuts during COVID when he printed up the hate and lie shops with Tesla and with CureVac, I don't know what to tell you.
I really don't.
Oh, I know he's a bastion for free speech.
Then why is it that I have absolutely no reach on X whatsoever?
I've seen no difference, by the way.
And remember when they tell you that you pay for your blue check mark?
Right, and you're gonna get all these reply boosts and traction.
I've been off the sauce, if you will, now for over a week.
I've been off the blue check mark.
There's no difference in my analytics whatsoever.
None.
They did none of the things.
And really, it's false advertising.
But since you sign away, you know, every kind of human right you can imagine in the terms of service, good luck with a lawsuit.
You know, oh, it's the free speech site.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
And it's sad for me to say.
Blue Check Mark False Advertising00:03:02
That Google, which is just another arm of the military industrial complex, is allowing for wider dialogue than X's, a thousand percent over.
And again, I know people don't want to hear it, but that's the reality, and that means that none of these things, none of them, are really allowing for open and honest discussion or debate.
And if that doesn't happen, how do you have discernment?
If you're not allowed to hear the truth anywhere, if no one.
Can present a valuable dissident opinion backed up with evidence that goes against the norm.
How do you have a society that can flourish for humanity?
The answer is it's going to be tough.
And this is another reason that, again, whether you love or hate Alex Jones or InfoWars or any of it, that this whole situation is extremely dangerous and extremely tragic.
I'll say this.
If you've got old school InfoWars gear, you got a hat and a shirt or anything, now's the time to rock it.
Now more than ever is the time to wear it and open up conversations.
You know, I think that, again, when you get into the history books, as much as they're manipulated and how really they've done a great job of suppressing reality.
I mean, 9-11 is like the biggest.
Example, right?
The kids, the things kids learn about that, which is barely anything, is a bad joke.
Like, think about it this way.
At least when I was a kid, again, growing up in the 80s, you know, 20 plus years after the John F. Kennedy assassination, it was commonly discussed in schools whether or not the government had told the truth.
And then I think it was in 92, maybe?
Might have been 94, the latest, but you can look it up.
When Oliver Stone did his JFK film, there was just no more denying that it hit the zeitgeist of culture, and at least in academic institutions, it had to be discussed.
9 11 is not discussed in that manner.
So, in a lot of ways, these predators are winning the information war, whether we like it or not.
We got to do something about that.
We got to do something about that.
We got to fight that as hard as we possibly can because we can't just allow these demons in human form to continue to control and manipulate the masses through information.
Thank You For Supporting00:01:15
I see the Musker Dew talking about universal high income and that everybody's going to be able to have a penthouse and robots.
That's such bullshit, guys.
That's to keep you as docile as possible, as non resistant as possible as they attempt to replace our species on a multitude of levels, kill humanity.
Let me just say this Fuck that!
Fuck that.
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