Is Bilderberger Alex Karp Hopped Up On Globalist Power?
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Hey, everybody.
Jason Burmis here.
And.
And Alex Karp, for those that are not in the know, has become quite the globalist player over the past decade.
And we have been reporting on him now for several years in conjunction not only with Palantir and Peter Thiel, but also the Bilderberg group.
Folks, this is why we constantly point out here at the apex of the Anglo-American Israeli Saudi power structure, that alliance is a group called Bilderberg.
And Alex Karp is a steering member in that organization, meaning out of the 120 to 140 people that come every year, there's only about 20 or 25 that are actually there every year.
And I'm sorry that sounded a little confusing.
You see, the core inner structure of the Karps, the Teals, the Eric Schmitz of the world, okay, they are there at Larry Summers, the Epstein buddy.
They're there every year.
Kissinger, Rockefeller when they were alive, Brzezinski every year.
Now, I just named three big names there.
Karp is now amongst those names.
Okay.
You often see him as more of the mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex and the defense industry, if you will, than somebody like Peter Thiel.
And he's got this wacky look about him and this wacky way about him.
And we see him at the World Economic Forum and all these other places.
And he just went viral for all the wrong reasons.
Now, we're going to play this clip of Karp just all over the place.
Just boom, boom, just moving like, hey, hey, if you know what I mean.
And you know what?
I get it.
I get jazzed up.
I get high on life sometimes.
Some people tell me they get high on Jesus.
I don't know that any of that is what Carp is doing here in this clip.
Now, I also don't like to take things out of context here.
So, what we're going to do here is we're going to do what nobody else that's reporting on this has done.
We're not just going to play the clip of Karp, the one minute or so clip where he's talking about basically the American perspective of large-scale authoritative organizations, industries, governments, businesses, and how they're not to be trusted.
And he has, I have trouble trusting them too, because they're just so dumb.
And it's kind of funny because he's a big braggart in this as well.
He's talking about how many of the traditional tech companies are all, oh, they're all copying Palantir.
I'm not even sure what that means other than they're into TrackTrace database plus because Microsoft is already in the TrackTrace database, already working with the Army, the military-industrial complex.
I did a huge report back in the day on Connect, you know, the now forgotten piece of technology that was put in a bunch of living rooms that was basically a 24-7 camera and microphone before every single TV out there was a smart TV.
Okay, and in some respects, because of the camera, it was a little bit more advanced in the surveillance department.
Okay?
So they'd all done that, but Carp is just outwardly militaristic.
And we're going to highlight that with a clip of him back in April that I haven't seen anywhere of him being confronted about Palantir and their use of artificial intelligence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and to kill Palestinians.
So we're going to watch that clip.
We're going to watch the short clip that's gone viral, but then we're going to do a watch along with the whole thing because this thing that's gone viral is, of course, promoted by the New York Times.
And I just can't help myself.
So I'm going to show you just like this quick, like standalone clip.
Like, let's minimize it because we are going to have to play that.
But just take a look.
He's got his karate stance.
He's got his little jump.
I mean, this is the clown that is making global decisions that are changing our life.
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We know that Karp is one of these guys that just loves the idea of artificial intelligence being utilized to target quote unquote terrorists, loves the idea of autonomous drones, loves the idea and embraces this idea put forward by Lucky Palmer and others that we need to not only be the number one military superpower, we need to be the world's gun store.
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Ice-linked Palantir CEO goes viral on onstage move as onstage movements ask questions.
And look, we're not saying anything about it.
I don't know if he's hopped up on anything other than power, if he's hopped up on anything other than globalism.
I don't know if you got access to some of that good old Kissinger, huh?
Maybe Kissinger got cremated.
And guys like Karp every once in a while, they micro-dose Kissinger.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But many of these people in these power systems, I'm just going to say it, do have substance abuse problems.
Okay?
And Mr. Karate, I mean, I don't think Alex Karp actually does karate.
I'm not sure who's thought that this photo shoot in what appears to be some wooden attic somewhere in the woods, but he's a vanguard.
He's a vanguard for the most significant shift in warfare in recorded history.
Okay.
And by the way, as part of that, and to Futurism's credit, Palantir, CEO, says legalizing war crimes would be good for business.
Now, he doesn't exactly say it like that.
And it's in this longer form interview that we're going to play.
Because again, I'm not taking, I don't want to take anybody out of context.
I want to show you exactly what this guy says and does.
Okay, but he basically talks about making his ability to act militarily more quote unquote constitutional would be good for business.
So without further ado, let's start this with the clip that has gone viral where Alex Karp is just, he is, he is high on life, my friends.
What is the biggest problem in this culture?
I'll tell you the biggest problem.
No one believes the institutions are credible.
And why don't they believe they're?
And I struggle to believe they're credible too.
Because these business leaders make completely stupid decisions.
And they get bailed out.
A year later, they're getting huge bonuses.
What do the American people get?
Nothing.
And that's a huge problem.
Like if you make like, so I think the real version is, like, I made a lot of decisions when we began talking, annoying each other 10 years ago.
Hopefully, I'm annoying you as much as 10 years ago or more.
When I made a, you know.
When, when, when, just jumping all over the place.
Oh, this.
Every decision Palantir made.
FDAs going public, building products, no one, enterprise, large data sets, going to government, acknowledging American superiority, being pro-meritocracy, launching an AI platform, calling pro-meritocracy.
Now, when he says being pro-meritocracy, that means in his world, okay, who can be the most cutthroat?
None of this is actual capitalism, by the way.
You just heard him really tell you that.
Telling you that people can make horrible decisions and then get bailed out.
That's not capitalism, okay?
That's something else.
It's the system we have.
We may call it capitalism.
It's not capitalism.
It's fascism, really.
Into question that AI models would actually be able to perform without orchestration.
Every single one, every single orontology, every single one of those was viewed as stupid.
You know what I actually have grown to appreciate about capitalism?
All the people who made the right decisions went broke, are going out of business, or now have to copy us.
Microsoft launch ontology.
Everyone wants to do FDEs.
Everyone basically copies me and Palantir.
Me?
Me.
So he brags at the end.
He's all over the place.
And he makes some statements that I think are just ridiculous.
Now, normally, I don't love artificial intelligence.
I got to tell you, I get more and more annoyed with the quote-unquote AI slop that I'm forced to deal with now on a daily basis in video feeds and searches.
But this is kind of funny.
Kind of funny.
Kind of funny.
Not going to lie.
But as promised, before we get to karate carp right here, before we get to karate carp, I want people to watch this.
Because here is Alex Karp really being called out on him aiding and abetting what I would consider war crimes.
Really, really at the frontier of war crimes.
Oh.
Killing my family in Palestine.
And, you know.
Well, if you, do you want to hear my answer?
Sure, Mark.
Okay.
So I think the primary cause of I mean, this is hilarious to the host that someone dares to bring up the AI systems that Palantir is helping to run to declare who is and who is not a terrorist, to declare what military zones are operational, in other words, bombable.
It's funny to this guy that this woman stood up and asked him how he sleeps at night while he's helping to kill her family members.
Hilarious.
It's hilarious.
Death to Palestinians.
Okay, do you want to hear the answer or do you want to yell?
Well, you don't want to hear an answer, obviously.
So the primary source of death in Palestine is the fact that Hamas has realized that there are millions and millions of useful idiots that will...
You're damn right.
Like, I'm on this woman's side.
Out of the gates.
Out of the gates.
Now, everybody's Hamas now.
Everybody's a Hamas sympathizer.
Can we get security up there?
Okay, one of the most important to kill Palestinians!
Mostly terrorists, that's true.
If your argument was so strong, wouldn't you let me talk?
It's so strong. It's so strong. It's so strong.
Your argument is okay.
That's Thank you for, if your argument was so strong, you'd let me talk.
If your argument was... The Hill in the Valley, this April.
The host laughs and they applaud him.
Now, look, I want to give Karp a chance to speak, but so far, it's just the Hamas card.
It's a canard.
When we're talking about AI systems like Lavender that are deciding who lives and who dies, and right out of the gates, he acknowledges the fact that all of these people are not quote-unquote terrorists, whatever that means at this point.
Okay?
So let's continue.
Let's see where this ends.
By the way, just as an ipso facto thing in my book, if you have an argument...
By the way, notice how it says the new American century?
Echoes of Project for a New American Century.
And this isn't even karate carp, where the New York Times just can't wait to laud them.
Thank you.
Ma'am, I think we've heard you.
I think we've heard you.
Shame on all of you.
I think you came to the wrong event.
It, it, it, it, it, how about, like, okay, if, if anything, if I have a great day, um, the, One of the most important things, first of all, I really support free speech.
So the part where you get up and say what you think, I'm 100% on your side.
Like, you want to come in here and accuse us of doing bad things, you know, regurgitate, where I'm a sick, bad person who's doing it for power, and I'm enjoying watching people suffer.
Okay, great.
I 100% support her right to say that.
But the thing on our side that we have to fight for is we have to fight for a right to discuss and say our side of this or my side of this.
And like, one of the most important things about the book, which you may not want to read, is you don't need to read, is if your argument is that strong, why will you not let the other side talk?
And there, it's like.
So talk.
I still haven't heard a response, you know, other than the Hamas thing.
Talk, Alex.
I'm not stopping you.
If the argument was as simple, and by the way, the pain of Palestinians is something that everybody, and anyone who dies in war, obviously people care about.
I care about that.
The obvious solution to war is to have the West having the strongest, most precise, deadly weapons possible so that we can minimize unnecessary, innocent deaths.
And by the way, the primary way you minimize these deaths is you're so strong no one attacks you.
And that's how you actually do it.
Now, there is some truth to having the best technologies and being strong.
But the idea that the West, the United States in particular, has not continually abused those power through propaganda and lies, especially when it comes to the Middle East and especially post-9/11, not that there wasn't stuff before, is ludicrous.
It is insane to say that.
Now, there are many sides to this debate, but you know, the completely, one of the things that's really frustrating in the West, honestly, is I kind of call it, I spent a lot of my life in Germany.
I'm kind of pro-German culture, especially where it actually works, which you could argue in many ways it's not.
But it's like what I would call the probably incorrectly the greenification of our society, which is, you know, we kind of all support something like climate.
I think most people support regulated immigration.
You have 20% of your society in Germany who are just radical to the point where the ideas make no sense, but they 100% believe, and then they end up controlling the policies of the whole society.
Wait, are you talking about a place where, you know, the majority doesn't control the society and has insane views?
Jeez, I wonder, hmm.
Sounds a lot like our culture here in the United States, unfortunately.
And the responsibility we have who want pragmatic, real-world solutions, like, of course, wars lead to innocent deaths.
What do you do to minimize the death?
Why did October 7th also include how were their security lapses?
You know, these are really important questions.
Well, because the evidence shows there was a standout.
But that's something Alex Karp isn't going to tell you either.
So, you know, when he does get to talk, he utilizes mainline talking points that, quite frankly, have been around for decades and proposed in publications like the one from Project for a New American Century, Rebuilding America's Defenses, the pre-9/11 document.
Almost everything he said there is in line with that.
So we're going to stop that there.
And now we're going to go to this jazzed up New York Times interview.
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Let's do CARP in the New York Times.
Does Palantir, see, New York Times asking the tough questions.
Do they see too much?
And we'll have a digital eyeball right here.
Yeah, we're cool.
Yeah, it's just going to say, yeah, the I.
And they got Sorkin doing the interview.
Sorkin is just, oh my God, talk about an establishment bootlicker.
Sorkin is that person.
Andrew Ross Sorkin and his guest, co-founder and CEO of Palantir, Alex Karp.
Good morning, everybody.
Palantir's Alex Karp is here, and we are going to get into it.
Alex, thank you for being here.
Palantir is named after the seeing stones in JRR's tokens, Lord of the Rings.
Palantir has a.
I'm just going to throw this out there before we get started.
A lot of from Karp.
You know, he's pretty erratic, but I mean, just take a look at the mouth and the nose and the actions there.
Just throwing that out there.
A complicated, let's say, sometimes secretive, controversial business that helps the U.S. and other countries and governments around the world make sense.
By the way, Sorkin, they did a great job on your makeup.
I can hardly tell that you have about as much pancake makeup on as a beauty queen trying to take that trophy home, Sorkin.
of complicated data.
That's what they do.
Its business has soared in the age of artificial intelligence.
Today, it is among the top 30 most valuable companies in the world.
It is worth $4,400 billion.
And after October 7th, Carp has been perhaps singularly the most outspoken CEO in America to support Israel.
Week after the attack, he took out a flip-page ad in this newspaper, the New York Times, had four words on it.
Said, Palantir stands with Israel.
Should say the IDF and Mossad are clients of Palantir.
Yeah, you think?
Of course they are.
Gee, it's almost like that woman's concerns were real.
Crazy.
There are a lot of questions about what they are doing here in the U.S., including their contract with ICE and their work around the world.
And we are going to talk about all of it.
Alex, thank you for being with us.
Couldn't imagine why we're controversial.
Couldn't imagine.
Let's discuss this because I think, and I mean this.
By the way, I see that as we're on the side of.
I mean, you know, when you support allies in funny, on in Israel, which I guess typically is the most controversial in public, honestly, interestingly, often the least controversial in private, is it's like it doesn't actually, and I do support all those things.
It doesn't actually mean that you support every decision.
It means you support them having a superior position to their adversaries.
I mean, that really starts with America.
Really?
No, no, no.
It means you support them militarily, and no matter what their talking points are, you continually repeat them.
And we talk about Israel, not only in this regard with Palantir, but we cannot forget the Five Eyes Alliance.
And this is why, you know, I don't just, you know, shake my finger at Israel.
We're a big part of this.
The United States, not just As a nation state, no, our military-industrial complex is clearly intertwined.
Which is, you know, I think one of the real problems that, you know, the non-controversial companies have is they can't admit what they think in private, which is they believe what they're doing is better and superior to what other people are doing.
I want to get into all of that, but I'll tell you where I want to start.
I want to start with this.
You wrote a book last year called The Technological Republic, and you quote Samuel Huntington in it, and you that argues the following, argues that the rise of the West was not made possible, quote, by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence.
What did you mean by that?
And is that what Palantir ultimately does?
Well, I think...
I'm not going to lie.
You know, before we go to that, his right hand was just all clinches.
And I mean, I'm not accusing him, again, of being anything but high on life or high on power or high on globalism.
But boy, the question sure has to be asked if it's something else.
One of the most interesting things about that quote is it's indisputably and obviously true.
And you genuinely believe that the U.S., this idea of ideas, values, religion, has nothing to do with it.
You think it really is about organizing violence?
No, no, no, no.
Sorry, I didn't say that our ideas aren't important.
Obviously, I come from an academic family and I was playing to be an academic before I realized it was worthless and I'd be better at building things.
But we should talk about that, too.
But but like, OK, one of the biggest it was worthless.
No, you were literally tapped by Peter Thiel who went to school with you, who basically gave you everything you have.
And you have been an unbelievably subservient and obedient lapdog to him and his agenda.
One of the biggest problems we have in our elite institutions, especially our Ivy Leagues, is this indisputable truth that no one would listen to the spirit of our ideas if our ability to organize in violence was inferior, that every single person in the world believes outside of the faculty of Harvard, and certainly all of our adversaries know to be true, is viewed as something that's kind of worthy of great discussion and dispute.
And I was talking about that right hand before, now that right hand has like a death grip on the chair, by the way.
The primary reason they dispute it, honestly, is because at their core, they want to undermine the superiority, which are meritocracy, rule of law, accepting that inputs and outputs are not the same, that are the basis of building the superiority on the military, on the military plane.
You think that the university culture is trying to undermine that?
Well, I think it's moved from the 50s where it was trying to explain why our Constitution is the best way to organize our lives, not others, why meritocracy is necessary, even if it means letting in immigrants to your institution, why inputs and outputs aren't the same, why the first, second, third, fourth amendment are unique, and why it was worth standing up for.
Lots of stuttering, R-R-R-R, and a lot of repetition on the idea of a meritocracy of inputs and outputs.
Just pointing that out as well.
For these values has literally been transformed, especially in the humanities departments, too.
Of course, none of that could work because no one like us is good at doing that, basically.
I mean, that's like, and therefore the whole thing couldn't work.
And downstream of that is enormous dysfunction.
And you see this in all sorts of issues.
Our primary and most important adversary, I say adversary consciously and not enemy, is China.
And we will decide AI and the ability to implement it on the battlefield primarily will decide the values, i.e. the norms, the laws, and the spirit of the laws that are imposed upon us across the globe.
And if you think for a minute.
The spirit of the laws imposed upon us throughout the globe.
Does that sound like the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
Instead, he's talking about China and artificial intelligence.
Well, he continues to just jump around that chair like a madman, by the way.
They believe anything that we're being taught in our idiotic faculty, you are even more idiotic than the professors teaching you.
And I'll tell you, if you actually believe in these values, again, I'm not a neoconnie and ever was.
That's why I'm skeptical of immigration, because I don't think cultural, all this cultural assimilation hasn't worked in the last 50 years, and that's an obvious truth.
You're also not allowed to say.
I'm skeptical of imposing values on other people.
I never believed we should or try to make their Middle East Wilsonian people like a Wilsonian ideal imposed upon them.
If you believe for a second that anyone else outside this country believes that we are going to defend our values without superiority and moral violence, you're just living in a world that doesn't exist.
It does not exist.
Superiority via moral violence.
I mean, that's a loaded accusation.
We have superiority because of our moral violence?
Look, internally, internally, we do have some of the best.
That doesn't mean our justice system is perfect.
We certainly have a class system where there are people that are simply unprosecutable, okay?
But overall, human rights within the country are pretty damn exceptional when you look at other large-scale nation states, even westernized, especially after the authoritarianism of COVID-19 and what we've seen in Westernized nations, not only in Europe, but of course in Canada.
But I don't know how we're morally superior with what we've done in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen.
I could keep going.
Okay?
So I'm sorry.
It's just fiction what I'm hearing about from this spaz.
And no matter how much you try to impose it on the rest of us, it still won't exist.
Okay, I want to talk about you for a second and your own politics and your shift in politics.
By the way, there's a piece in the Washington Post about you this morning that gets into some of this.
You grew up only because I have great respect for you.
I don't interrupt you immediately.
I didn't shift my politics.
The political parties have shifted their politics.
The idea that what's being called progressive is in any way progressive is a complete farce.
I've been progressive since the beginning of Palantir.
I continue to be.
I grew up in a highly intellectual, mostly Jewish, incredibly left-wing environment.
And every Saturday and every Friday, I heard a lecture about how the conservatives are going to destroy this country with illegal immigration because it's going to undermine the fabric of the American worker.
That was 50 years ago.
That's what it means to be a progressive.
Being progressive doesn't mean just, oh, it feels so good to be involved with dysfunction, things that can never work, a form of socialism that's never worked, having no meritocracy.
That's not progressive.
That's honestly cowardly.
And most people on the very, half my old party knows it.
They don't speak up.
It's bullshit.
It will never work.
And it does not help.
You know, the biggest problem with that is it's not helping the poor people that they claim start.
If you think that's helping a black person in the inner city, you're ridiculous.
The last thing anyone in this country needs is a dysfunctional educational system and handouts that have never worked and are not going to work.
So here's a point where Karp points out a problem that is extremely real within our education system within this idea of progressivism.
But what he doesn't tell you is these same people that are supposedly progressives, right?
Schumer, Bernie Sanders, AOC, especially when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian issue, they're war hawks.
They're neocons.
They're the same damn thing.
Okay?
So all this stuff about progressives and liberals and the left, that's all window dressing.
That's all window dressing.
Okay, let me ask you, though, because I know you say you didn't shift your view, but I do want to read you something that appears as if you shifted your view.
This is back in 2017 about Trump.
You said, quote, I respect nothing about the dude.
It would be hard to make up someone I find less appealing.
You know, there's a lot of things that are quoted about me that were like not quoted in public.
Like in this book, you know, biography, there's tons and tons of quotes.
I'll give you a different version of this.
A lot of these quote, you're not really doing this.
And I have, actually, we've been at this for almost a decade.
And he was kind enough to interview me when I was a complete clown and joked everyone else besides me and our Motley Crew of Palantir.
And I greatly appreciate that.
Thank you.
One of the biggest lessons in the.
I mean, he can't sit still.
You know, this obviously wasn't like a cherry-picked one-minute clip.
He is just, I mean, boom, It's kind of crazy.
Just a slight detour to the wonderful and very important country of Germany that is seeming to be crashing its German functionality and competence into a plane, into the ground of political correctness that it somehow can't escape for historical reasons.
The minute you judge somebody by anything but the issues you agree with.
So in Germany, the Green Party and the socialists have convinced the majority party they can never vote with the far right on immigration.
I care about two issues.
I care about immigration and reestablishing the deterrent capacity of America without being a colonialist neocon view.
And on those two issues, those two issues, this president has proved.
I just, I just, again, I don't know how what colonialist neocon view, and he's about to defend Trump on this.
Look, there's a lot of great that Trump has done, at least in the rhetoric.
Has he stopped the war in the Middle East?
Yeah, we're supposed to be a ceasefire?
Come on.
Has that really occurred?
I mean, it may be de-escalated.
We may not be seeing it every single day, but no, that ceasefire wasn't real.
I mean, are we acting like a non-colonial power with what's going on with Venezuela and these boats?
I'm sorry, I'm not buying the fentanyl.
And that's escalating.
So you can sit here and try to proselytize that you're not a non-colonialist and not a neocon.
Your actions say different, Mr. Karp.
And those are the two issues I care about.
So what were the issues that you didn't agree with when you said he was not an appealing dude before?
Well, what was that?
First of all, you're quoting somebody who's quoting me off the record that's in the public record.
I care about two issues.
I am not going to be proxy corralled into having no power by something of like, well, I care about these two issues.
By the way, I was a supporter of the Democratic Party.
What two issues did the Democratic Party not perform on?
Does anyone think the Democratic Party performed on migration or deterrence?
That's crazy.
Now, you could care about different issues.
I'm pro-choice.
It's not my number one issue.
I'm wildly pro-gay rights.
It's not my number one issue.
The minute you allow yourself to be corralled into, I disagree with this person, I disagree, you've basically transferred your power to one party.
Palantir and I am not transferring my power and our influence, which honestly, you know, the main main.
First of all, let's just get into wildly pro-gay rights.
Now, I don't know whether or not Alex Karp is gay, okay?
But Peter Thiel is gay.
And first of all, gay people have just as many rights as you and I. Maybe you could have made the argument prior to the ability to marry, you know, men and men and women and women.
And by the way, me not even being a religious guy, I was against that.
Not that they couldn't have a civil union, not that they couldn't have the same thing on paper, but just because marriage is a religious term.
Okay, by the way, Peter Thiel not getting married.
Just point that out.
So, you know, this idea of wildly for gay rights, I mean, it's human rights.
Like, gay people shouldn't not be able to vote, shouldn't not be able to speak, shouldn't be treated any differently by the judicial system, and they're not.
So, I mean, what is this guy really saying?
Like, like, are you saying the Republican Party is anti-gay?
I mean, look at some of the people that Trump has surrounded himself, not just Thiel, in these past couple administrations.
Rick Gretnell?
Like, I mean, let's get real here.
Like, that's another big problem I have.
This idea that, like, if you're pro-gay rights or if you're gay, you can't be a warmonger.
No, that's not the case at all.
You sure can be a warmonger.
Media at the Washington Post and at the New York Times doesn't always like me.
That's great, because you know who does like me?
About 10 million people, primarily dudes in this country.
And you know what?
I'm going to use my whole influence to make sure this country stays skeptical on migration and has a deterrent capacity that it only uses selectively.
Okay, let me ask you this.
And this goes to maybe, I don't know if it has to do with just being a blunt instrument, compassion, what have you.
I think you could argue in terms of immigration policy that you don't want to have illegal immigrants in the country or you want to prevent illegal immigrants from coming into the country, et cetera.
We are now seeing ICE working its way around the country and oftentimes folks taking people, ripping people off the streets with masks on.
You and Palantir are working hand in hand with ICE.
That's public.
What do you make of that?
What do you make of the...
It's not necessarily the policy, but the approach to the policy.
Let me give you.
All right, before CARP even answers this, I will say this.
I am not in love with any type of law enforcement officer.
First of all, ICE.
Don't think it should exist because I don't think the Department of Homeland Security should exist.
Does that mean we don't have immigration or border patrol?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
And then, as far as law enforcement officers blacking out their face, not, again, not in love with it.
Seen it for years with riot cops, though.
I mean, decades, throughout my whole life, right?
If you're rocking the big helmet or the thing around, been around for a very long time.
Certainly the ATF has utilized that.
So this is something that's really been going on in large part since the 80s accelerated into the 90s.
By the time I was an adult, it's commonplace.
It's the only time I've heard the media even a little bit concerned, ripping people off the streets.
Look, we've got to have an immigration system.
And what happened over the last administration is just unreal.
The way they literally had a system of just bringing people in here as quickly as humanly possible from wherever they could get them to come here.
That's a real thing.
Okay?
I want to make sure everybody understands that.
But just like I said about Homeland Security, ever since Homeland Security has been instituted since 2003, our immigration problems have only gotten worse.
That is on purpose, in my opinion.
It is problem reaction solution to the hilt.
And now they're trying to get this reaction from the public that ICE shouldn't exist because their solution is to have as many people flood this country illegally as possible because they are trying to disrupt it.
They are trying to divide the general populace.
They are trying to drive down wages.
They are trying to make our standard of living plummet.
And it has.
All of that's worked.
Hate to tell everybody.
My critique of what I would call, I think this questioning is proxy culpable of.
Our country has selective empathy for everybody but working class, particularly white males.
So when you look at, when you look at coverage in mainstream newspapers about the constitutionality of blowing up boats that are bringing fentanyl here, I guarantee you, if that fentanyl was killing people at schools we went to, presents, potentially your kids are going to, it would be constitutional to blow up those boats.
There is selective instrumental use of empathy that somehow is only applied at the point where it would help.
Wait, wait, wait.
Before we go back to ICE on the streets, since he's bringing up those Venezuelan boats and fentanyl, doesn't China produce fentanyl?
Are we going to militarily strike China?
We shouldn't.
When we talk about other drugs, such as, I don't know, cocaine, wasn't it our government, especially during Iran-Contra, that was caught dealing the drugs?
Didn't we have that big JP Morgan ship with all those drugs on it?
Just kind of went away.
They blamed it on the crew?
You don't think intelligence apparatuses are still dealing the drugs on some levels?
No, it's the evil nation state of Venezuela.
Sorry, still not buying it.
Still not buying it.
Sorry, sorry.
You asked the question.
You're going to get the full answer.
Don't want the full answer.
Look at him jumping around, man.
He cannot sit still.
He's got the death grip on that seat, too.
You don't want, you brought me on stage.
You know what you're getting.
Okay.
And by the way, I'm on stage, and I know a lot of the people on stage sponsoring this are skeptical of me.
You know why?
I'm on stage here because at Palantir, and I would encourage you to think of this: I divide the world into palantir, essentially, and palantier derangement syndrome, palantier skeptics, and palantier haters.
My biggest fans started off as palantier skeptics and palantier haters.
I believe that someday almost everyone in this audience is going to agree with me.
You may not like me now, but you're going to agree later.
And I'll also tell you something: look to the left, look to the right.
The person you think is offended by this actually agrees with me.
I think this guy's super delusional.
Super.
First of all, palantir derangement syndrome.
Being concerned about a company that is utilizing surveillance software that goes the next level into military action that utilizes software like lavender that has 30 plus thousand terrorists on the list?
Insane.
Sorry.
I don't think you're converting me, Mr. Karp.
It's 100% true.
Okay, well, okay, sorry.
And yeah, it's 100% true.
And keep that in mind.
I will tell you a secret that I hope the New York Times and the Washington Post doesn't listen to.
Okay, sorry.
I just want to bring us back to this one issue, which is, no, no, you talked about the rule of law, and you talked about things being constitutional.
So here we are, we're talking about these boats, for example, that were blown up, right?
And whether you have empathy for them or not, given the folks who are getting killed by fentanyl, the question is whether this is being done on a constitutional basis and being done in the right way.
And if it's not being done in the right way, well, how do I feel about that?
Let me just say this.
First of all, it's not being done in the right way, and it's not constitutional, but neither was the invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq.
We haven't declared war in this country for decades.
Decades.
Okay?
So, no, this expansion of military action is extremely dangerous, but why aren't you pointing out the past, Sorkin?
Of course, but part of the reason why I like this questioning is the more constitutional you want to make it, the more precise you want to make it, the more you're going to need my product.
So you keep pushing on making it constitutional.
I'm totally supportive that.
You know, a constitutional, you would need to understand where the things are going, how are they going, under what conditions, where do they belong.
But I'm asking you.
Hold on, let's stop.
No.
First of all, what he just said is a total bullshit lie.
Colin Powell, in trying to get military action in Iraq, stood up there and lied about weapons and mass destructions, mobile units, all those things.
So didn't show any evidence that was real.
Okay?
None that was real.
And still pushed forward anyway.
If we're going to make it constitutional, you have to go to Congress to declare war.
Didn't even omit from his lips how our constitutional system works.
Instead, he's just saying, hey, let's blanket make everything constitutional so we can spy on everybody and decide who the enemies are.
But meanwhile, he's wringing his hands and his fingers.
He's all over.
He's jacked up.
Just as a person, on a sort of sort of a moral basis as a human, when you see people, young people, mothers and fathers and families getting ripped apart with the masks on with the ICE folks, how you what do you think of that?
Of course, but you're this is you're at this point you're abusing empathy because I of course don't like that.
No one likes that.
No American, this is the fairest, least bigoted, most open-minded culture in the world.
Okay, but if you don't like it and you say, hey, government, you're going to let me finish?
Please.
Okay, so in this country, you have 1% of the country in prison, 1% who were in prison and therefore have no rights.
Do you know what happens to you when you go to prison?
They take you away from your kids.
You know who that happens to?
Disproportionately working class, disproportionately black and Hispanic men and white men in the underclass.
You know who it disproportionately happens to, Alex?
Criminals.
Just not super rich criminals that are part of white-collar crime.
It certainly doesn't happen to war criminals that are invested in the military-industrial complex.
Certainly doesn't happen to people like you that help pick the targets and develop the software.
You're outside of that class, but you're going to hear and proselytize stupid numbers acting again as it's anything more than a class issue.
It is a class issue.
Okay, it's not a color issue.
But again, we'll bring it there.
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Again, guys, I cannot do this without you.
Who else is giving you the full carp with the New York Times?
Nobody.
Where are the thousands of articles about them?
Nobody cares, and they don't care because it does not either serve the ability, the desire to force me to vote for one party, which basically takes away all my power.
That's effectually what it does.
If I agree to say this is the worst thing in the world, I essentially have given up my vote.
My vote is not for you.
My vote is for these two issues.
The second reason they don't care is because somehow no one has empathy with any of those people because none of us really deal with those people.
At Palantir, we are on the side of working class Americans.
We support people who go to the military.
We save their lives.
We bring them home safer.
Our AI actually makes workers more wealthy, more valuable.
And the 10 to 15 million people that love me despite what's written, half of them made a lot of money on us.
All right, so there you go.
He's talking about money.
And I mean, first of all, this idea that he's protecting anybody and he's making my life better or your life easier is bullshit.
Even the idea that his technology is saving military lives, okay?
I'm sorry, but if you're involving military units on the ground or in the air in these places, we should not be because of your technology.
It's the opposite, Alex.
It's the opposite of what you're saying.
The only thing that you're talking about that's actually real is the money you're making for your investors.
You know what they're like?
They're like people like me who think, you know what?
We have to do better.
Of course we have to do better.
What do you say to this thing?
Take me out of it, take the media out of it.
There's a group of 13 former Palantir employees who wrote an open letter to you, and they stated, quote, that Palantir's leadership has abandoned its founding ideals.
We have 5,000 ex-Palantirians and 4,000 current Palantirians.
And by the way, we encourage a culture of disagreement, which you know exists.
Anyone can come visit us.
You'll find half the people disagreeing with me, at least on any issue.
But I just want to say, we have 5,000 ex-Palantirians.
You have 13, half of whom were like in the humanities department of Palantir, which is a little bit like being in the printing press part of the New York Times.
They're very important part, but no one's really listening to your opinion.
So it's like, it's, yeah, you know, if you, if you have an organization, I'll tell you what.
I mean, and think about that laughter.
He's basically telling you you're a pleb and that most people that work for him are plebs, serfs.
They don't matter.
They're like in the mail room.
Okay?
I mean, I think about how this guy views you as an average person, as somebody who's not invested not only in the stock market, but in Palantir in the stock market.
I mean, this guy, he's power tripping all right.
He's power tripping hard.
But a lot of palanterians, palantirians are mostly uncomfortable.
Most palanteans are like you.
Okay, I don't know who you are because Chris, you're an objective journalist, but they broadly are okay with, they like the work we do in Ukraine.
By the way, could Europeans finally stick up for us since we're basically between us and Russia?
So like he's outwardly talking about the fact that Palantir is integral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, that Donny T just can't seem to end.
Promised he was going to end it on day one.
Well, great, Alex.
I'm so glad that your technology is keeping us in that war.
I'm so glad that it's at the apex of what NATO needs.
But they're very proud of that in general, although that's also very controversial in non-elite circles.
That's important to remember.
They're pretty okay with Israel stuff, especially since a lot of the BS written about us on the right, primarily, not primarily on the left, that somehow we're doing facial recognition stuff and we're building a database.
Any technical person knows that's BS.
By the way, if you've heard that and you believe that, listen to the person who told you that.
Do 10 minutes of research and you'll see who has credibility for you.
Speak to that directly, though, because people talk about surveillance.
They immediately say surveillance.
Look at the guy biting down.
He's got the death grip on again.
His legs are jittering.
Folks, the U.S. military beta tested the facial recognition biometrics all the way back in 2003 and 4 when they did the Iraqi invasion.
It is 20 plus years later.
This device, you know how many people sit there and unlock it with their damn phone?
Do you know how many CCTV cameras there are out there?
Do you know how many people there are like me that put out content?
And forget about just the content.
How many people are Instagramming 26 times a day?
But no, Palantir isn't taking anybody's biometric information.
Palantir is not surveilling the American people.
Palantir is not part of the track trace database system.
Give me a break.
Dear, that you are helping the U.S. government in a massive surveillance program, given the amount of data that's coming in from all sorts of different agencies now.
First thing, before I will absolutely get to that, the biggest misconception about Palantir is none of this.
Palantir is an absolute dominant juggernaut in U.S. commercial and AI.
Our revenue goes 121%, the most important metric in enterprise software.
We have the highest number ever recorded.
It's well over 2x, any number that would be highly respectable.
So we're like the Michael Jordan on the numbers in U.S. commercial.
And that really pisses a lot of people off.
That's true.
Most of our money, 75% of our revenue comes from America.
That's growing 77%.
And most of our market cap comes from that.
So, like, we are just crushing it in the most meritocratic environment in the world.
Just crushing it.
Oh, yeah, and working with the Mossad and the IDF.
So if they're working with the Mossad and the IDF, oh, but they're not working with the United States military industrial complex to track trace and databases.
Come on.
Come on.
U.S. commercial.
Okay, so the surveillance stuff, of course, there's the Palianish version of it, which, you know, which is like our product could never be abused.
What is true is that we are highly ethical, but don't believe us on that.
We are not obviously not building a database.
We're not, I mean, the most absurd one is we've built a database in Israel we're bringing here.
Okay, that is complete nuts.
I mean, do you see how he just said that really quickly?
We've built a database in Israel and it's coming here, but that's completely nuts.
First of all, we are in this country from the very beginning, and second of all, you don't need us to build a database.
That's like, oh, I'm like, I have a ruler, so I can, I ruler and a pencil so I can do math.
Oh, I got a calculator.
You know, so it's just, that's like you're selling your people like corn syrup, corn flakes, or something.
Okay.
You're selling your people corn syrup, corn flakes, or something.
You know, that is something we've done here in the United States.
Like, like, not just the frosted flakes, we have put high fructose corn syrup in just about everything, put in bread.
Like, I mean, CARP is fully scatterbrained in this.
He is fully delusional.
He's got that death grip on there.
He can't sit still.
And he's got Sorkin, you know, supposedly as his foil.
And yet they're just so on the same page when it comes to the military-industrial complex, other than the talking points that are out there via the mainstream, all right, on things like ICE and others to divide us.
Craziness.
So you get to the big issue: are we building a database that can be used for surveillance?
No.
Okay, but the more subtle version is: if you're legally surveilled, we don't even really work heavily with the FBI.
DOJ, could you put it in our product?
Yes.
Are our enemies surveilled using data that goes into our product?
100%.
And I completely support that.
So enemies, they're surveilled.
A lot of domestic terrorism talk under the Biden administration.
Palantir had those contracts under the Biden administration.
Openly talks about overseas.
Yeah, of course we're doing it.
He just said that their product could be integrated to those things.
Could be integrated.
I mean, the wild gaslighting that is going on from sentence to sentence via CARP is extraordinary.
The most interesting thing about the lie that we are doing is not that our product couldn't be abused.
Any workable technology that's ever been built has been abused.
Electricity has been abused.
Gasoline engines have been abused.
Okay, but our product is the single hardest product in the world to abuse because every single step that you take is absolutely transparent.
So if you want to abuse, if you want to use our product to abuse human rights, you've created a record of you doing it.
I can tell you, and this is the part where you can get into the low trust environment and you don't have to believe me.
The environments that abuse data in this world, mostly SIGINT, meaning from satellites, have never liked our product.
And we were the first place to act, we are the first, and to my extent, to my knowledge, only company that said we're not going to work in Russia, we're not going to work in China.
And by the way, on the issue everyone would think for because they somehow think I'm like only care about, you know, they we were the first company to say we would not build a Muslim database, and we ended contracts in this country with institutions that were essentially there to surveil Muslim Americans.
And the only, the primary reason for these attacks is on the far left, people are like, they do not like us because we stand for meritocracy.
We hire and promote independent of all variables.
We stand for the rule of law.
We stand for competence.
And we call out the complete bullshit that this on the far right, they don't like us because they think I'm somehow a Jewish conspiracy.
Because two of the four or five co-founders are Jewish.
Like, okay, great.
You know, a lot of Jews are successful.
It's not all conspiracy.
It is a fact.
Those are just the facts.
So, you know, he talks about the founders being Jewish.
He talked about growing up Jewish.
Obviously, when you are talking about successful Jewish people working for a military contractor and Israel via the IDF and the Mossad particular, they'd probably have a certain viewpoint in that region.
Right?
Nine times out of ten, certainly aren't questioning October 7th in a stand down.
You know?
But no, no, no, the far right doesn't like him because of Jewish conspiracy theories.
You ever heard me throw out some kind of Jewish conspiracy theory when it comes to Palantir or Bilderberg?
No.
So, you know, they use that as a canard to try to deflect people like myself that are pointing to not only the contracts that they have, but the technology that has been utilized.
Okay, you can sit there and pander and act like, oh, we cut off contracts because they were targeting the Muslims.
First of all, I don't necessarily believe him.
And I would imagine that there are plenty of contracts that are not just targeting quote-unquote Muslims, but everybody and then categorizing them as such.
Just my thoughts.
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Let's get back to Sorkin and Carp.
You mentioned I'm a little bit pissed at the New York Times, honestly.
But since you, and the main reason is, I believe, I believe in your, if you're listening, I believe in your mission.
When you write a technically completely illiterate article, you lose a lot of credibility with people who are technical.
And that's just a fact.
That article about us being a surveillance thing is like where it's all implied what we do.
Yeah, but the problem is you lose credibility with anyone who goes on the thing.
And that's damaging for our democracy.
Let me ask you this question, though.
Is there a red line for you, meaning if you saw your software being used in a way that you genuinely believed was unconstitutional or illegal, would you, are there conversations you ever have, back channel or otherwise, where you say, guys, This is not cool.
We're not doing this.
You know, there's a term that was unfortunately coined called constructive engagement.
First of all, again, we did not sell our product to cigarette manufacturers that wanted to sell their cigarettes to poor black neighborhoods.
We pulled our product from law enforcement institutions that were purely doing profiling.
Folks, he's going to like, like, again, not trying to make this out as left and right, but everything he just said was identity politics virtue signaling.
The tobacco industry was trying to sell their cigarettes to poor black people, so we didn't let them use it.
You think, I mean, does anybody honestly think that Alex Karp gives a flying rat's ass about poor black people?
I mean, is there anyone out there that is that delusional?
I certainly don't think so.
In certain countries in Latin America, racial profiling is just part of how they do credit scores.
We could have made a lot of money on that.
We refused to do it.
We've said no to many countries across the world.
We said no to China.
We didn't say no, but we didn't work in adversarial countries.
So, you know, like we have, like, there's always, have you done this?
I think is the most important.
And we did this at points where it was critical and we were in desperate times financially.
So we did this when it absolutely could have crushed our country, our company.
So the obvious answer is yes.
Then there's the more subtle answer.
All these countries and people I defend in public, like Israel is a perfect example.
I think most of the critiques of Israel, not all, not all, but a lot of people just have like Israel derangement or Jewish derangement syndrome.
It's like they're not all, not all, but again, I use palantir derangement syndrome.
Listen, TDS absolutely exists, but on both ends, right?
There's totally Trump derangement syndrome around all 34 villainies and sexual assaults with Egene Carroll and all this other stuff.
But then on the other side, you have the TDS where there are people that think the white hats are in control and there's 5D chests and he didn't sleep with Stormy Daniels, et cetera.
And they can't criticize things like Venezuela.
But again, it's all about those same kind of monikers when it comes to Israel.
See, everything's about people hating Jews or everything's about Israel.
You know, he came with the caveat.
Well, there's some, there's some real criticism.
Is there some real criticisms?
Let me ask you.
Is it okay for me to be highly critical of their boop boop hate and lie shot passport system that they had?
Is it, you know, worrisome to anybody else that Netanyahu talked about a medical database that they had on over 90 plus percent, it was like 98%.
I might be going high there.
I don't want to misspeak, but I really feel like it was like some crazy number where they had all of their medical records for the past three plus decades, and he wanted to get what?
Their DNA, a DNA database on these people.
Is it okay for me to criticize that?
Is it okay for me to criticize the sharpshooter program that they put into place prior to October 7th with AI automated guns at the Gaza border?
Is that okay?
Or is all that, you know, oh, you just, you're just an anti-Semite.
Come on.
Give me a break.
So, like hobbyists, it's like they think about Jews all day.
It's like, I don't know.
I grew up in the Jewish community.
How often do you think about Jews?
I don't think about Jews very often.
So it's like, hey, of course I'm going to defend in a way publicly that I can assure you privately, people have less present conversations than the one we're having.
Like I told the Israeli government from the beginning, maximum violence to the people organizing violence, minimal violence to the people on the front end.
I told every single person.
Do you think that they lived up to that?
We're going to talk to Prime Minister Netanyahu this afternoon.
You know, I could tell you.
Having some trouble with that one?
He's been a stutter box, and obviously he's very, that nervous energy is still there, just all over his hands.
But right there, when he's asked the question on whether or not they minimize death on the front end, give me a break.
Come on.
At least he couldn't just shout out a bullshit answer there.
At least, at least.
I feel that if somewhat ill modestly, if people listen to me more actively in Germany on migration, on Israel and these issues, and on lots of other things, we'd have a better world, or primarily my Democratic Party.
You know, it's like, do we really have to pretend that it's immoral to have a border?
So if you listen to Alex Karp, we would be in a better moral world.
And apparently, Alex Karp wanted the maximum amount of death and destruction for those that caused October 7th without an investigation, without really knowing how October 7th took place.
But again, he's part of Palatir, so he knows.
If only people would listen to him, everything would be better.
In other words, you don't think that they have done it as well as that.
You know, I'll put it this way.
In a world where people didn't have so much derangement syndrome, I would be a lot more critical.
In this world, I think you have to compare them to what the competence level of any other country.
And you say, yeah, these things are very hard and brutal.
And watching these things happen is very difficult.
But, you know, yeah, it's a very hard world because in the end, we are in a world where there really aren't high-integrity partners on any side of the debate.
So the minute you admit in public that someone is wrong, you're really just serving somebody who has no interest in advancing the debate at all.
So if you, I mean, think about what he's saying here.
He's trying to dance around the way that this Israeli-Palestinian conflict has gone down.
He's trying to marginalize it.
All right.
But then he's trying to put it in a way where you should feel bad or ashamed for asking these questions because it's just common sense.
What he's doing is just common sense.
Interest in their party winning.
That's not my interest.
My party is an advanced.
My version is we advance America as the superior country in the world and remove a lot of the dysfunction.
So I guess the truth doesn't matter.
How are we going to advance the superiority of the United States in the world through lies and hate, my friend?
By argument, by persuading people, which I'm notoriously bad at.
Palancier, we believe we're notoriously good at being right.
Alex, you founded this company with not at persuading people were right.
We leave that to the New York Times.
You co-founded this company with Peter Thiel.
And for a long time, there was a view that Peter, who's been on this stage.
By the way, that glass has been essentially empty for the last 20 minutes, and he keeps going back to it because he can't sit down because he can't keep still.
Just point that out.
But let's get in.
Now we're finally in the meat and potatoes world of Peter Thiel for a moment.
Thank you, Mr. Sorkin, for bringing that up.
Age many times, was the conservative and you were the progressive, and that that served the interests actually of the company in a certain way because you were effectively bipartisan.
I'm curious how you think now, now that there's a view that you and Peter are all in with this with this administration in particular, that if in fact Democrats come to take over the White House in 28 or 32 or whatever it is in the future, that that will make it more complicated for the company.
Well, first of all, I don't think that view, like most of these views, makes any sense.
I'm an independent.
My vote is up for grab.
If you are willing to talk about having a closed border and maintaining deterrence, so I don't think that's at all true.
And I'll tell you something else that's true.
If the Democrats, my former party or current party, or however you want to look at it, ran someone who agreed with me, even in private, they would win.
So, you know, maybe you should stop winning in the faculty lounge and start winning.
You know, we have a say.
Think how weird that is, what he just said.
If a Democrat just agreed with, say whatever he wants publicly, but as long as he agrees with me privately, we're good to go.
You know, how are we supposed to have transparency and honesty in a system that's supposed to be for and by the people if guys like this are praising in front in public backroom deals?
All right, and remember, this guy is at the forefront of some of the biggest backroom deals, not just with Palantir and the military contracting, but once again, with the Bilderberg group.
We're apparently not supposed to say anymore, but we always said we're cold in the streets and hot in the sheets.
Democratic Party should think about that one a lot.
Okay, let me ask you.
So, Jared, can I ask you to go?
By the way, let me answer the second derivative of your question.
We're not doing at Palantir what's in the best interest.
We do in Palantir what we think is right.
And you know, you know, the funny thing is, because you know, of our ability to build, I guess, the 30th, I think it's like top 20 U.S. companies, something like that, and we're accelerating in year 20, which no one has ever done.
A lot of stuff no one else has done, and we are the backbone of U.S. deterrent.
People assume that we're more, in fact, we have this problem at Palantir.
We have people who join, they're like, they think they're joining a normal company.
We're not a normal company.
We are fighting for what we believe, and we're putting in a product to give the people that agree with us a superior position.
This is being honest that they're not a normal company.
I mean, this is the next step of like a CIA in Q-Tel investment venture capitalist firm.
And that's why I constantly talk about this not only future, but current situation that we are in in this country of high-level techno-fascism.
And this guy with his wacky hairdo and his spastic movements is at the forefront of it.
Listen, I want to ask you this, and it's a Trump question.
You wrote your college thesis on fascism.
There's a view, and I'm curious where you land.
Do you think that President Trump is a fascist?
Of course not.
I think that's stupid, honestly.
And you know what?
Again, you can go all day on this stuff.
It's honestly idiotic.
I grew up half my life in Germany.
I spent time with actual fascists.
I went and talked to lots of former Nazis.
It's like we have a democratic society, and he won in a landslide.
I don't see any sign of him being.
Look, of course, I don't agree.
Like, it's like, I don't know what the point of these.
It's like, well, the reason I was asking it was because you did study this.
This was your thesis.
And there's a lot of people who have different views about this.
I was actually asking you, let me ask you a different question, but maybe it's related.
Let me stop.
Trump is no more a fascist than Barack Obama was, than George W. Bush was, than Reagan.
I'll keep going down the list.
Again, we've had this merging of government and private businesses post-World War II on an accelerated path that was not the original intent of our founding fathers.
Period, full stop.
That is why we are in the conundrum we are when it comes to technology for the average person because of black programs, compartmentalization, and contractors.
And by the way, right now, you and I via AI are getting squeezed out of a lot.
You know, I'm going to do a full story on the RAM shortage.
And, you know, I've talked about these AI data centers and what they're doing to the environment and what they're doing to people's electric bills and what they're doing to the water supply.
But now they're also taking technology and making it out of reach for consumers via RAM, which is essential.
Throughout my and your lifetime, technology has gotten cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.
Your DVD player cost a whole lot more when it first came out than it did five years later.
Same thing with your Blu-ray player.
Same thing with your video game system.
And now all of a sudden, a video game system like an Xbox Series X that came out five years ago at 500 bucks is $650.
It went up.
It didn't go down.
Why is that?
Because they're changing the system.
That is at the forefront of this techno-fascism because it's also about NETO feudalism and our standard of living plummeting and things that were supposed to empower us now being out of reach and utilized by the power structure to enslave us.
You know, the U.S. government has been taking stakes in lots of different technology companies recently.
Okay, sorry.
If you want to, with all respect, I am running the most important tech company in the world.
If you want to talk about banalities about who I support, how I support, why I support it, you can ask them all day.
I keep answering the same question, which is, I believe your questions, basically, the third derivative of them is I transfer all my political power to you by being boxed in.
The same way the Green Party boxes in.
No, no.
Let me just ask you this.
So originally, the CIA, do you remember this, was an early investor, NQTEL, the venture capital arm, was an early investor in Palantir.
This is why I'm asking the question, actually, because I think there's a lot of people who are looking right now at sort of the.
Also in Google.
See, I'm glad that Sorkin's actually bringing this part up, right?
Because now the CIA and NQTEL, like I said, have moved on to a Palantir model.
This is techno-fascism.
All right, but it's not Trumpian.
Like he just said, that was the investment arm.
That's pre-Trump.
You get it?
It goes across administrations.
The industrial policy of the country, the country is taking stakes in businesses that they think are important, national security issues and the like.
But isn't that a classically social democratic view?
Well, maybe it is.
Question to you, it was just going to be: you know, if the White House came to you and said, Look, hey, Alex, we really like you.
We think you're important to this country.
You're a very important part of this.
And if we're going to continue to give you these contracts, we want a piece of the action.
What you would think of that?
I mean, we'll cross that road when we get there.
My understanding is people who are in dire trouble go to the White House and ask for money, and they say, We've made terrific business decisions, and we want your help.
Why wouldn't the American people participate?
Like, you know, one of the biggest problems, if you get to, okay, let's just take what is the biggest problem in this culture.
So, this is the clip, by the way.
This is the big clip.
It's funny that this is what they clipped, and they didn't clip the question about the CIA and Incutel.
Instead, they're focusing on Carp and his erratic behavior, which they could have.
I mean, guys, you've been watching this thing with me.
We still have another, you know, almost 20 minutes left.
We've been watching it for a half an hour.
They could have picked any clip.
And he's grabbing his hands, jumping around all over the place.
But they picked this clip and they gave it no context, especially in the idea of fascism, the CIA, InQ-Tel, and the merging of the government, the White House, and quote-unquote private companies like this one.
Weird.
I'll tell you the biggest problem.
No one believes the institutions are credible.
And why don't they believe they're?
And I struggle to believe they're credible too, because these business leaders make completely stupid decisions.
And they get bailed out.
A year later, they're getting huge bonuses.
What do the American people get?
Nothing.
And that's a huge problem.
Like, if you make, so I think the real version is, like, I made a lot of decisions when we began talking, annoying each other 10 years ago.
Hopefully I'm annoying you as much as 10 years ago or more.
When I made a, you know, this, every decision Palantir made, FDAs going public, building products, no one, enterprise, large data sets, going to government, acknowledging American superiority, being pro-meritocracy, launching an AI platform, calling into question that AI models would actually be able to perform with our orchestration.
Every single one, every single Orontology, every single one of those was viewed as stupid.
You know what I actually have grown to appreciate about capitalism?
All the people who made the right decisions went broke, are going out of business, or now have to copy us.
Microsoft launched ontology.
Everyone wants to do FDEs.
Everyone basically copies me and Palantir.
Microsoft's going nowhere.
Just to let everybody know, like insane he would say something like that.
But again, this is his narrative, and it is pretty damn egotistical at that.
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Let's get back into it.
That's what I love about this country.
If you want to make your stupid decisions and then you go to the White House and ask for money, you should absorb the full risk of that.
And I'll tell you the full risk of that.
Somehow your salary should be capped to the point where you make a lot of money for the American people.
If I was absorbing the full risk of our stupidity, you were absorbing the full risk of my stupidity by putting me on there and knowing all the crazy shit I was going to say.
And you're going to have to sit there and listen to it.
And you did it.
And again, if I, yes, and we're both absorbing the full risk of each other's splendor.
At the moment, yeah, at the moment where I am wrong, I have to pay the price for it.
Just like, you know, you're at the top of your game.
Whether we want it or not, you're at the top of your game.
Everybody wants to talk to you.
Okay, sometimes that's annoying.
Okay, it's like I was talking to you when there were other people above you.
Now I'm talking to you when no one's above you.
Okay, now, yeah, it's true.
And, okay.
Look at that eye makeup.
Believe me, Sorkin's so happy that they've put him in this position and he's been elevated to establishment mouthpiece.
Okay, and people think I'm moderately successful now.
Okay, so we at Poundier absorb the full risk of our failure.
And everyone else should too.
And you know, I constantly, the critique I get in Wall Street is I'm an arrogant prick.
Okay, great.
Well, you know, judge me by the accomplishment, the delta between what I've done and my arrogance.
That's the definition of arrogance.
If you're right a lot, maybe asserting that you're right going to be right tomorrow is pretty important.
And when we're not right, I pay the price every day, every day.
That's why we have this incredibly painful internal structure of flatness.
So I can hear how wrong I am all day.
And we absorb the risk of that.
And I think...
Look at him grabbing...
He's not even sitting down right now.
He's like a little bit off the seat because he's grabbed on both sides.
My God.
While he talks about his own arrogance.
In this culture, not enough people, again, the only people who pay the price for being wrong in this culture in complete fashion are poor people.
The rest of us somehow outsource all the times we're wrong and stupid to the whole society.
But if you're poor and you're a soldier or you're poor in the ghetto, when you're wrong, you go to prison or you die.
I got a different question.
And no one cares.
I got a different question for you.
And again, look left and right.
The one thing I would say to people in the audience, you know you, you know a lot of you think I'm right.
And you know your spouse, your relative, your child, the person at work would be horrified if they knew it.
You better speak up because everyone who thinks I'm ridiculous fascist, they're speaking up.
They write about it every day.
If you do not speak up, the people who are disagreeing with me or think I'm still a lot, I disagree with myself.
So you have to speak up.
I mean, who are you lobbying for?
You know, Alex Karp supporters need to speak up?
Pretty bizarre.
You cannot blame the far left, far-right idiots.
When they speak up for their views, do you speak up for your views?
Where?
Do you tell your colleague?
I bet you at the New York Times, a lot of people read that article about us and were ashamed.
Did you go to your editor and say, how could you write something that's technically illiterate?
A guy might be a fascist, but this is technically illiterate.
Let me ask you a different question.
Did you or didn't you?
Because if I'm the only one speaking up, you're going to get a world of technical illiteracy on the right, on the left, and in the middle.
Alex, help me with this.
A lot of people come on this stage or publicly, and I think this goes to the issue you're talking about to this audience saying, speak up.
And they come up on a stage or they go on television or they talk to a reporter or whatever it is publicly and they're timid.
They don't tell you actually what they think.
They've got talking points.
They've got plans, all of that.
You don't have any of those things.
You have been willing to say, I genuinely believe, and I think the audience can see it, what you think.
And my question is, A, do you...
See, that's where I totally disagree with Sorkin.
He may believe that, but all these talking points have been embedded via the military-industrial complex, via authoritarianism, via globalism.
This idea of moral superiority.
Give me a break.
Worry about that, Evor.
And B, to the same point, when you see your peers in the business not speaking up on these issues, not talking about not just these issues, but whatever they actually think.
Do you think we would be in a better world?
And can you see a world where people would actually say exactly what they think the way you have?
I don't say exactly what I think.
You don't?
Well, no, that would get awesome.
I mean, like, yeah, you know, it's like, I don't know, but it's very close.
What are we at?
So, Wheatley, what are you being deceptive about?
Are you even more insane and more authoritarian?
What are you being Machiavellian about?
At here.
I avoid the whole personal stuff as much as I can.
But the.
First of all, let me give you, again, I think a lot of these things are downstream from AI.
The people who are not speaking up are making huge mistakes.
First of all, you're underestimating your audience.
When you're not saying roughly what you think, forget, let's get to a mark that's realistic.
50%, 20% of what.
Even 20% would be 20 times what's actually happening.
What the people in the audience actually perceive is you're lying.
Now, they don't know what you're lying about, and therefore they impute you're lying about something you're probably not even lying about.
And so I have the problem that I've heard, I blow up things all the time, people quit all the time, people are offended, family members stop talking to me on occasion for years until they discover I'm right.
And then they are even more ashamed, and that could take another two years.
It's like, but if you are not, there's really two problems, or two big problems.
One, people impute your lying.
Because, and you're not actually lying, but people assume someone of your level of intellect does not believe the stupid things you're saying.
And then the biggest problem is you lose the smartest people outside, and the problem that they underestimate is you lose the smartest people inside.
Because when I'm speaking here, everyone at Palantir, current, past, and present, knows, hey, he's speaking, doing exactly what he does at home.
So he's telling me the truth when he says, hey, I don't believe this product is going to work.
I am telling you the truth.
As far as I believe it, and I have a history of being right.
And that's the problem.
Now, there's a societal problem, which is that we have all the basically obviously ridiculous people, especially the ones who do not even know that they're ridiculous because there's like some kind of derangement syndrome that has abrogated their ability to think.
Everything is about a derangement system, and then ridiculous people don't realize they're ridiculous.
I mean, is this guy, is there a mirror somewhere for him?
I mean, is he not like totally self-unaware?
They speak up all the time, and they intimidate the rest of us.
And that's a big problem for our society, because I'll tell you, we are not.
Says the guy that speaks up all the time and is intimidating the rest of us via the technologies that are utilized to kill people.
Living in a world in the absence of delivery.
If America does not deliver, we will be under the rule that's defined by our adversaries.
This is just a fact.
Let me ask you this, because we're going to run out of time, and I just want to talk to you about you personally for a moment and what this is all about.
We're all watching you talk, I think, very openly about your views.
And I want to know where you think it all comes from.
Where the energy comes from.
Your biographer says it comes from your childhood.
You grew up dyslexic.
You grew up to a Jewish pediatrician with your father, African-American artist with your mother.
And I want to know what you think led to all of this.
What's driving you?
It's very hard to know these questions, answer these questions.
I mean, my parents are extraordinarily talented and to the point where I think most of the issues they confronted were just everyone says they want to be around extraordinarily smart people until they're around extraordinarily smart people.
And everyone thinks, you know, interaction with my parents will school you on what the level of aptitude is in the world and the rest of my family.
But I think for me, people always write about my parents and their background.
Me and my family are brilliant.
They are so smart.
We are all so smart.
Meanwhile, I mean, when it goes to a longer shot, this guy has been fidgeting so much because he's high on life that his socks have now gone lower than his pant legs, and it looks like he's wearing high waters when he's not because he's been squirming for the better part of 40 minutes.
You know, the far right hates that, you know, I grew up in a Jewish family and defend Jews against the most disgusting and obvious vehement attacks.
And the far left thinks because of my background I should somehow give up real progressive thought and support ideologies that only hurt the people they claim to support.
So I think those ways of thinking don't clear a certain level of thought philosophically.
And so I tend to find them fairly boring and wish the world, someone else would speak up.
The dyslexia thing has been, which I was totally in the closet about, is the formative moment of my life.
And it's simply because if you are massively dyslexic, you cannot play a playbook.
There is no playbook a dyslexic can master, and therefore we learn to think freely.
And so, you know, one definition of dyslexia would be you have, there are many definitions.
One definition that I think is a clearing function is you have an attenuated relationship to text, meaning a non-dyslexic will read the text and the text will become them, de facto.
The more you lead, the more the text becomes you.
Maybe it's his dyslexia that I just don't understand a thing he's saying about dyslexia.
We'll say this really quick.
You know, apparently this is his mother.
Because when he said African American, I was like, huh, is that real that his mother was black?
And it looks like, yeah, she attended some workshop in Israel.
She was a Rhodes scholar, okay, at Oxford and a Harvard graduate.
So, I mean, I mean, she looks a lot like Karp.
That looks like it is his mother.
Something I didn't know about Alex.
Still don't think he gives a rat's ass about poor black people, but hey, I don't think that's a hoax.
Sure looks like it could be his mom.
No dyslexic works that way.
And so there are huge disadvantages.
Honestly, I would have cut off my arms and legs probably, or at least something, to get rid of the dyslexia.
But the central advantage is I process in a way that has very little to do with what anyone else thinks.
And that has powered a lot, combined with obviously obvious aptitude.
And I believe in what we're doing, so we're very aggressive in making it work.
I don't know, but I really, where it comes from, but I really believe in the primacy of winning, not for money, which I love the freedom of money, but because I do think what people believe will be downstream of what has worked at some point in the future, and I believe in what we're doing.
Let me ask you this.
And I want to know whether you think this drives you.
You told a story.
Your mother passed away from cancer, and you were interviewed.
That's wrong.
That's wrong.
She didn't pass away.
No.
Oh, my goodness.
So, luckily.
I don't know why that note said that.
Well, I mean, had cancer.
And listen, while we're getting things wrong about his mother, because we're all learning about Alex Karp's mother, apparently, she was not, I'm reading this wrong.
She was the youngest and the only, I want to say probably girl right there of the four winners.
The other ones were an Oxford University Rhodes Scholar and a Harvard graduate.
See how easy it is for me to admit when I'm wrong?
See how simple, but Alex doesn't want to admit when he's wrong because he loses his political power.
No, no, when you're human and you get something wrong, you go, I'm a human being and I got it wrong.
I hope she didn't.
I thought you were talking about the jeweler, yeah, who helped your mother when she had nothing.
But I was struck by this.
I was struck by a quote where there was a jeweler who helped your mother.
When my parents got divorced, my mom had no money, and there was a very kind family that took her in.
But you said this about life and the jeweler helping your mother.
And you said, in general, people don't help you.
And I remember watching you say that, and I thought, is that what's driving this?
Meaning, this view about how you think the rest of the world views all of each other, helping each other, or not.
That the world is actually not trying to help you.
I do not believe it's accurate to say the world will help you.
And my grandfather used to say, be careful who you help.
They'll never forgive you.
And I think the more you want the true progressive position is, obviously help someone to help themselves.
And I do.
First of all, think about what he just said.
That's a pretty crazy viewpoint.
Be careful who you help because they'll never forgive you.
Generally, with people that I have helped throughout life, it has been very rare, very rare that they have turned it around on me.
I mean, super rare.
I've certainly never tried to turn it around on somebody else, despite disagreements and time going on.
Pretty cynical view of the world.
I believe the negative side of helping people.
I mean, there's a positive side of helping people, but the negative side of helping people is you are conveying the idea that they need your help and they need it in perpetuity, which dehumanizes and takes away agency from them.
But I do believe that America and strong individuals, realistic individuals, recognize you are largely on your own.
And the more you recognize that, the better we will be as a society and a world.
There, I agree.
I mean, you are largely on your own, 100%.
And again, you have to be able to do for yourself.
And when you are helping somebody else, for, you know, I'll just give you an example.
One of the things, you know, I tried to do with like an ex-girlfriend.
You know, she was in this arena also of alternative media.
And instead of like just trying to do everything for her to show her how to do this, right, and just do it and do it, you know, like how to stream and what technology, I bought all the stuff.
And I, you know, tried to teach her how to fish, right?
Because again, when you help somebody, you don't want to have to quote unquote help them forever.
You want to help them become independent.
Me and Carp will agree on something here, huh?
How about that?
And that's why I'm very skeptical of like all these international, whatever.
It's all a way of curtailing and constraining the obvious fact that some cultures are superior.
We live in the superior culture as a culture that defends our right to argue, defends our right to back that up with arms, defends our right to privacy.
So the First, Second, and Fourth Amendment, I believe Palantir and I are fully aligned with the First, Second, and Fourth Amendment.
No one believes the Fourth Amendment, but it's arguably as important as the others.
No, to be secure in your persons and property is damn, first of all, you can't be secure in your persons and property if you're not allowed to arm yourself and defend yourself.
And you're certainly not secure if you're not allowed to say what you think and feel.
They're all really integrated together, Alex.
The First Amendment was put.
But by the way, I don't think Palantir is aligned with any of those values.
First, for a reason.
And we protect individuals in this country, and our Constitution derives that protection from a higher force God that is different than any other country in the world.
And the basis of that is protecting our agency as humans.
And why do we have that agency?
Because it is somehow magical in an artistic sense or maybe in a religious sense, it's somehow divine.
And that agency is how we help others and how we help ourselves.
And if you expect people to do more than that, now some people do, the family, I don't know if I should say their name because I don't want them to get protesters, although I've had a lot of people asking, can they go buy jewelry there, especially people I've made very wealthy, and I'm proud of that.
There are people who manage to help at key moments.
And those people I have great reverence for.
And you will see in your life that there are very few of them.
Like I had this advisor, we transferred into a magnet school at Central.
And I got, you know, it's very American.
You're already at an elite school.
I got an IQ test.
And she's like, you know, what are your grades?
In any case, she's like, you should have the best grades in the like she intervened and took care of me.
And I revere that.
And I hope people at Palantir, like when you come to Palantir, Palantir is the single most elite educational brand in the world currently.
The single most elite educational brand in the world is Palantir.
And they work with our military-industrial complex.
Nothing to be concerned about there, folks.
And if you have, as defined by it's like being at Harvard or Yale in the 50s, if you are at Palantir, you will have a job immediately, independent of how you did there, which is no other school can claim anymore.
And part of the reason people come and stay at Palantir is we actively engage in cultivating minds.
One last sentence on us before you go.
We cultivate minds by being exceedingly difficult.
The minute you are not difficult, there's a French saying, quien bien châtis bien, which basically means if you love greatly, you are exceedingly difficult.
Witness all the love I'm giving you.
And the New York Times.
I've said that one of the things we try to do at this event every year is to go inside the minds of the most consequential people in the world.
Alex Karp, you are one of them, and we have now seen and gone inside your mind.
And we want to thank you for the conversation.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Very, very, very much.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
He couldn't wait to get out of that seat.
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