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As you guys know, I was just at the Red Pill Expo put on by G. Edward Griffin, got a lot of great interviews.
And here's the first one.
We got William Jasper of the New American Magazine and the John Birch Society.
You're not going to want to miss it.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
Hey, everybody.
Jason Burmes here.
We are with the head of the John Birch Society, the senior editor at the New American, and a gentleman that has aged extremely gracefully.
I can't believe how old you just told me.
We'll save it for the end, folks.
First and foremost, let my audience know who you are and how you kind of got into this arena of not only alternative media, but alternative action, I would call it, oh, so many years ago.
Because so many want to brand it, quote unquote, ultra-right-wing or alt-right.
Extreme right.
Yeah, I don't see it that way at all.
I mean, for me, I hate both sides.
I think that they're garbage.
And really, it's the John Birch Society and others like it that have at least had intelligent commentary and discernment against the Republican Party traditionally, whereas most conservative outlets won't touch that rail.
Right.
So I grew up in the 1950s.
I'm 74 now.
And so my parents were both veterans of World War II.
My father was a paratrooper, 82nd airborne in World War II.
He grew up in a logging, farming family in Idaho, which is where I live now.
My mother was an Army nurse.
She went into the war because her brothers and her cousins and uncles were in the war, and that's where she met my father.
So they came back, raised a family.
I have 10 brothers and sisters.
Jeez.
You in the middle?
No, I'm one of the oldest ones.
Okay, all right.
So, you know, we grew up in a good time in this country in the 50s, and then it started into the 60s, and things kind of went crazy, and the culture went crazy, and I went crazy for a couple of years, high school and college, my last year of high school, first year of college.
We're in the middle of the, or the start of the Vietnam War, and all of the cultural British invasion, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, everything happened.
And so for a couple of years, my parents were very conservative, patriotic.
I went leftward and trying to make sense of the world.
I was always an avid reader.
The problem is I was reading all the wrong stuff.
And because that's what was out there in the recent years.
So in that era, well, I'm reading all of the standard newspapers and things, Time, Newsweek, and whatnot.
But then as I get into college, I start reading the alternative press, which was Ramparts magazine, which was published by the SDS folks and all of that.
And they're arguing against the war in Vietnam.
My parents were opposed to the war in Vietnam.
They were hardcore, right?
But they said, why are we going over there to Vietnam to supposedly fight communism when Fidel Castro is 90 miles off of our shore?
It would make more sense if we were really serious about fighting communism to go and take out Castro there, who is flooding our country with propaganda and agents.
And so, anyway, I started, I went away to college, and while I'm in college, I have two of my younger brothers.
We were all living together, going to college together.
One of my brothers comes back up to the university and he says, Hey, Dad and Mom gave me this literature for you to read because I was the real reader activist.
And I said, What's that?
They said, Oh, it's from the John Birch Society.
I said, John Bird Society, oh my gosh, what's, yeah, they joined that.
I said, Oh, no, no, they can't do that.
Because, I mean, my parents were good moral people, and I said, They wouldn't join something like the Birch Society.
Everyone knows they're anti-Semitic and racist and Ku Klux Klan and fascist and all of those things.
And so I said, Okay, I'm their college-educated son.
I'm going to have to set them straight.
I'll read this.
I started reading the literature, and I go, Oh, isn't anything I thought it was?
It was a very strong constitutionalist, a very strong moral Christian base.
And there also individual responsibility.
Individual responsibility.
That rug and individualist message that G. Edward Griffin talks about today that's so important.
I really enshrined in the case of the colours.
Collectivist versus individualist.
And so I, but I still, it amazed me at that time.
I said, well, how did I get embedded in my brain all these other perceptions about the Birch Society?
How did I get to the point where I had this visceral reaction when I heard that name?
And so I decided that I would go to the library and I went to the university library and they have a multitude of volumes on all the shelves, but I couldn't find any of the books that my folks had given me.
And a few that really stood out for me was Hayek's Road to Serfdom.
Now, he was a Nobel Prize winner in economics, free market economist, and his book, The Road to Serfdom, Big Seller, wasn't even in the university library.
Ludwig von Mises' Human Action, a stellar book on economics.
Couldn't find that.
I could find all of the socialist and interventionist economists that I had been reading in college.
Something's wrong here.
There's a censorship that's going on.
And so it made me dig deeper.
One of the books, as I explained yesterday at the Red Pill Conference, that I read that had a huge impact on me was G. Edward Griffin's book, The Fearful Master, which is the subtitle is A Second Look at the United Nations.
Which is also a documentary film like so many of his pioneering works.
I mean, again, that's why G. Edwards, the man for folks, not just writing books, going with the medium of the day, and being critical of the United Nations that to this day is really the mouthpiece and vehicle for much of quote-unquote modern globalism.
Hold And Verify00:02:16
Absolutely.
And so that was a big red pill moment for me when I read that book because I had been imbued with this idea that, look, can't we all just get along?
You know, we'll get together in the United Nations, hold hands, sing kumbaya, and everything will be fine.
Last best hope at global peace.
Yes, so, but when I read his book, It took the scales off my eyes because I was at university.
I'm one of those people that has to verify.
So I would go to the library.
It was pre-internet, of course, 30 years before the internet.
Do a decimal system.
Yes, right.
So I'd have to go get books off the shelves, off the stacks, or go get microfish or the microfilm rolls.
Go laboriously, put them on the machine.
And then even when you had the microfilm, there wasn't always a way to get a copy of that either and print it out.
You basically have to take notes.
Yes, so, you know, it was a frustration at the time.
Whether it was microfish or microfilm, or you would go to get it, it would say it's in this drawer and you'd go there.
It's not in there.
Somebody took it or didn't put it back or it's out around being circulated.
So then when you go to take a copy of it, it would be in negative form and barely legible and it would cost a quarter to do it.
And you might have to do it four times before you finally get it.
The quarter was like a dollar at the time.
Yeah.
And so, so anyway, but to me, I wanted to know, and so I went to those lengths to verify things.
And the more and more I read, the more convinced I became that we were being lied to on scale, massive scale.
So, abbreviated story, I started reading more and more.
Finally, I decided that, hey, I've got to pursue this more.
I'm going to set the rest of my plans on hold.
And I ended up working on a congressional committee for a while.
Then I went down to Southern California.
George Bush and the Trilateral Commission00:15:45
The John Birch Society had a West Coast office at that time.
And I was hired as a researcher there.
So that was in 1976.
So you get into the Birch Society mid-70s.
What would you say is the difference between Birch then and now?
Now, obviously, the technology has changed.
Do you think that it was more influential then than it is now?
Has it been able to grow?
What are the ebbs and flows?
And what were the challenges of the day compared to the challenges of now?
Because, you know, you just mentioned these preconceived notions about what John Birch is.
And even 40 plus years later, a lot of those preconceived notions are still there for people that have not taken the slightest look at what Birch is really about.
Right.
So back at that time, we had just gone through, in the early 60s, an enormous smear campaign.
And the worst part of the campaign came not from, well, it started out with the People's World, which is a communist official publication of the Communist Party.
They started attacking us.
Well, when the communists attack you, first of all, People's World did not have a lot of reach, but secondly, people go, oh, if you're getting attacked by the communists, you must be okay.
But then when Time magazine, Newsweek, all of the legacy media, the corporate globalist-controlled media started attacking us, that had a huge impact.
But the biggest impact was when William F. Buckley and National Review, who were the revered arbiters of conservatism, went after us.
And why did he do that?
Well, William F. Buckley is a globalist.
He was a counsel on foreign relations, CIA, going clear back to OSS.
So he was part of the deep stake.
He was the key agent who was supposed to keep conservatives corralled in the Republican Party, not challenging any of the Propaganda that was being put out and to defend the advances of globalism.
So, I mean, he was, so when people talk about the neocons, the neoconservatives were, William F. Buckley was the spear point of that.
And so, he and the other neocon leaders wanted to make sure that the war parties, whether or the Uniparty, war party, whether Democrat or Republican, would continue.
They'd have a surface, Republicans would have a surface anti-communist rhetoric, but they would always go along with the betrayal of our true allies and the promotion of our enemies.
And so, during the time when I came in, Richard Nixon and then Gerald Ford were the presidents.
They were both neocon globalists, rhino-Republicans, and yet everybody said, well, we have to support them because the Democrats are so much worse.
You heard that one originally.
I don't know about you.
And so that was the difficulty back then.
And then when we would get a Republican in, like Reagan, everybody go back to sleep and say, oh, well, now we're okay.
You know, everything's fine.
Well, and wouldn't challenge the reigning Republican Party because Reagan came in.
I've told this on a few programs.
When Reagan was running for the 1980 nomination in the Republican Party, he was running in the Republican primaries.
I would ask why George Bush was a member of the Trilateral Commission.
Yes.
And then all of a sudden the Rockefellers are in a meeting, David, especially with good old Ronnie Reagan.
And look who it is.
It's George Bush.
Well, see, the funny story behind that is when he was running against Bush for the primary in New Hampshire, he was wanting to nail Bush on that.
So I got a call at that time from Congressman John Russello because I had written an article about the Trilateral Commission, about George Bush.
And so he said, yeah, he said that George Bush is a member of the Trilateral Commission.
How do you know?
I said, because it's on their membership list.
And he says, well, how do you know that's true?
And I said, because I picked it up at the Trilateral Commission office in New York when I was there.
And it's their official publication.
He says, well, how can we get a copy of that?
I said, well, you can go to New York and get a copy.
Can you send me a copy?
Well, this was before, this was in the early stages of fax meeting.
Yeah, I was going to say, you couldn't even fax something at some point.
So you had to go take the original and put it on this drum that spinned around, a stainless steel drum, and then take the telephone, you know, the old style telephone, and stick it on the machine.
And it spun around like that, and it'd take about five minutes to send a page.
And so they got a fuzzy copy at the other end.
So that's what they used then to go after George Bush.
And they made that into his speech in New Hampshire, and he went after Bush on there.
And so trilateral commission became a huge issue.
It was actually a real big issue at the time.
And for those that don't know, the trilateral commission comes out of the minds of Brzezinski and David Rockefeller and their frustration that Bilderberg would not take in the Asian influence, Japan in particular, who they were starting to do massive business deals that kind of came to that big crescendo and even controversy in the 80s, especially in the car markets.
So this was more of a public face.
Not a lot of people knew about it, but Reagan would make the point that, well, if it was so bad, why did he resign?
Well see, the thing that made it really controversial was that the Trilateral Commission is a very elite organization.
At that time, there were only 112 members or something like that.
Trilateral comes from Japan, North America, and Europe.
So these are the elites of business, finance, and government, and quote-unquote former government and Intel, who are meeting together in secret.
They publish papers, but it's meeting together in secret.
And the thing that really made him controversial is one of their charter members was Jimmy Carter, an unknown governor from Georgia, who just, after being anointed as a trilateral commission member, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, who formed the trilateral commission with David Rockefeller, coalesced support behind this little peanut farmer in Georgia, and he's catapulted into the White House.
And Brzezinski, for those that don't know, an author of many books, but the grand chessboard amongst them, one of the guys that was behind the original Obama campaign, Bilderberg to the bone.
And Brzezinski's daughter, of course, is Mika, who is still a mouthpiece for the mainstream media.
I would also be remiss if I didn't talk about Brzezinski and his role in the 80s with the Mujahedin against Russia.
And I think it was his admission in Le Monde, which was a French publication, that it was us, the United States, and that Mujahedin, that actually had attacked Russia first to goad them over the line and start that conflict.
That happened to be at the same time period that a guy named Osama bin Laden was also our ally.
Just some really weird and odd things coming out of these big globalist organizations, don't you think?
Yep.
And so that was a huge thing.
And Jimmy Carter, of course, then carried out for Rockefeller and the Trilateral Commission and the globalists the whole human rights campaign of the late 1970s, which targeted the Shah of Iran to overthrow him and put Ayatollah Khomeini in there, overthrow Somoza in the same year in Nicaragua and put the Sandinistas in charge there.
Overthrow South Africa and several other smaller regimes.
And so these were all maneuvers that they carried out in that four-year period of Carter.
And so Americans were, and the Panama Canal, of course, was one of his premier signature events.
So when Reagan ran, he had a lot to point to, all these terrible trilateral commission people and all the things that they're doing.
And then what did he do?
He won the election, and then he puts the trilateralist George Bush and all of his trilateral buddies in his administration.
And they were really running everything.
I would imagine, I mean, when you look at just that timeframe, you got somebody that supposedly is not part of the Intel community, a.k.a. George H.W. Bush.
I would say he probably was.
He becomes the head of the CIA.
Oh, he was, yeah.
Well, he becomes the head of the CIA out of nowhere.
Now, this was a guy that they were trying to get elected for some time as a senator, but while they couldn't do that, what was he?
He was a liaison to China and a diplomat there.
You mentioned the Nixon administration.
It was really during that Nixon-Kissinger administration through Rockefeller that we started normalizing relations with China, and that's the beginning of that kind of economic.
Which again was David Rockefeller.
He is the one who went over there and set things up.
And here he is, supposedly the epitome of capitalist West.
And he flies over to China, meets with Mao Zigtong.
Then he has Winston Lord, who later becomes president of the Council on Foreign Relations, of which David Rockefeller was the chairman.
Winston Lord and Henry Kissinger go over to China and set up all the stuff Nixon has given credit for it, but it was David Rockefeller, Kissinger, and Winston Lord who set it all up.
You know, obviously I'm in agreement on that, and most people don't know any of this history.
You know, Bush comes in, and essentially you have that assassination attempt very early on with Reagan.
Then you find out that the Hinckley family is not only connected to the Bush family, but Neil Bush is supposed to have dinner with Hinckley's brother the day after the assassination.
What are you?
Some kind of conspiracy theorist?
I wish I were, but all these news clips are actually in Invisible Empire, a new world order defined.
So you can see David Rockefeller next to Reagan.
You can see the assassination attempt on Reagan.
You can see the news clip where Bush's son is supposed to meet with Hinckley, who then they go and interview the, I think she is the housekeeper at the hotel where Hinckley was staying at, and she was talking about how Hinckley was going to a payphone and taking calls from there.
And that seems extremely odd beforehand.
And Hinckley is a guy that literally successfully shot the president and hasn't been in jail for almost 20 years.
Now, they took the leg brace off five or six years ago, so now he's on tour with his acoustic guitar singing folk songs.
But it just is an extremely odd thing that people don't discuss that at all.
You would think somebody that tried to shoot and kill the president would be in prison for the rest of his life.
Pretty close to it.
Yeah.
Very, very bizarre.
Unless there was something else to it.
And, you know, Bush goes on to be the president for four years, but I would also argue there are a lot of connections between George H.W. Bush, the Iran-Contra scandal, and that connection to Mina, Arkansas, and Bill Clinton.
In fact, so much so, I'm sure you're aware, that they made a Hollyweird movie about it called, what was it, Made, I think it was, with Tom Cruise.
It was the Barry Seal story.
I never saw though.
It's tough because they get so much of it wrong.
You know what I mean?
I think that's why I didn't see it.
I'll say this at the very end.
So if you didn't know, it's actually one of the Iran-Contra's prosecutor's son that was the director of that film.
Okay.
Yeah, so there's an actual connection.
And at the very end of the movie, which is totally Hollywoodized, they cut to a clip of George Bush out in the White House being screamed at by one of the reporters asking about his extensive role in Iran-Contra because Lee Hamilton had finally come out as one of the investigators or whatever.
It's, well, I think that, you know, it's all the Invisible Empire, folks, by the way.
You know, George Bush probably had a lot more to do with it than it was admitted.
But, you know, back at that time, we didn't have the alternative media that we do now.
And so even when those things were allowed to go on to the major media, they would then disappear because they weren't being curated and then distributed and the dots weren't being connected because, you know, the average person trying to make a living, feed their family, and have some recreation or whatnot, doesn't follow this stuff 24-7.
So if you miss a few news cycles, you're somewhat handicapped in figuring out where things fit together.
So then when it comes to, you might know some facts, but to know the truth, you have to know how things fit together.
And so with the John Birch Society back at that time, there were very few people and there was very little alternative media challenging any of these things.
So we were kind of a lone voice out there.
And if you're a lone voice, it's easy to be made to appear to be kind of crazy.
You know, that's Uncle Little.
You're the voice in the wilderness, right?
Yeah, and so, you know, it's just a matter of human psychology.
If one person says something and it runs totally contrary to everything else you're hearing, you're not going to pay a whole lot of attention to it.
Or you're going to dismiss it as wacko.
When more and more people start saying it and you can actually get some documentation, there are truth seekers out there who will start gravitating toward that.
And that is what the enemies of freedom fear.
They don't want those of us who are truth seekers to become truly awakened and informed and activated.
And so that is why they go to such great lengths to cancel us, to censor us, all of us who are seeking and speaking the truth.
And that's why in the last eight, ten years, a lot of people have gotten a taste of what it's been like for the last 60 years for the John Birch Society to be falsely accused of being racist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic, all of those things.
Why They Censor Truth Seekers00:06:28
Because the John Birch Society has always had, we have always had a lot of immigrants, people who, particularly refugees from communist countries.
There are lots of Cubans, Hungarians, Russians, Chinese, et cetera, who are in the society because they've escaped from totalitarianism and they don't want to see it happen here.
We also have always had black and Jewish members.
And so in fact, you know, in Birch Society, you might have, did you ever see the movie Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?
No, but I believe it's the one where, what, the white girl brings the black man home.
Yeah, so Sidney Poitier comes home to dinner.
The father is Spencer Tracy.
Catherine Hepburn might have been the mother.
I don't know.
Spencer Tracy's a liberal white guy.
I think he was a publisher.
And, you know, he's very liberal, but, you know, this is a step too far, you know.
So, well, at that time, while liberals were coming to grasp with that, on our council of the Birch Society, we had George Schuyler, black man, very powerful intellect, kind of like a Thomas Soule of his day, who was married to a white woman.
That was almost, you know, unheard of, verboten back in the 1950s and 60s.
And he was one of our main writers.
And their daughter, Philippa Schuyler, was a polymath, brilliant, beautiful young gal who was a concert pianist and a journalist.
And we had many Black speakers on our program, some of whom had been, like Leonard Patterson, who'd been in the highest level of the Communist Party.
And he went on speakers to, of course, explaining how the communists were trying to use the black people to create race warfare.
He had been in Moscow, taken to Moscow, and trained in the Kremlin.
And so it was utterly false.
And that was one of the things that convinced me that, hey, the Bird Society must be onto something.
They must be doing something right.
Everything I can see that they're trying to do is right, and they're being attacked viciously, mercilessly.
And, you know, I'm a Christian, I'm a Roman Catholic, I love Jesus.
And as he said, if they hate me, they're going to hate you.
And so if you speak the truth, as he said, they attacked me, so they're going to attack you.
So I would say this about the Trump phenomenon.
I won't even call it the administration or the campaigns.
The most positive thing to me that has come out, you just kind of alluded to the point: if people aren't talking about it, if it's not hitting the mainstream, a certain amount of people will just dismiss it out of hand.
And Trump has broken so many of those quote-unquote third rails.
I'm not saying he's right all the time, but for instance, you know, we've talked about the quote-unquote deep state.
You know, that didn't come into the vernacular until Peter Dale Scott, who was a leftist, came out with that terminology talking about deep events like the JFK and RFK assassinations.
Now that's into popular culture.
You know, he's questioned 9-11 more than anybody else in that position.
Now, you know, Giuliani was his lawyer.
Now that is very much in the mainstream vernacular when people like Tucker Carlson used to attack me, you know, or RFK Jr. has to talk about it, et cetera.
With that phenomenon happening, but at the same time, the massive censorship, what are the main issues that you find yourself dealing with to try to get this information out, or information out correctly?
Because I'm sure you understand that a lot of these narratives that are pushed, you might get an anecdote of something that's truthful out of that administration or a political figure, but then people go off the rails into speculation and what you would call misinfo, disinfo, purposeful or not.
And it seems to me, unfortunately, almost never, not just in the mainstream, but in most of the alternative, you're not getting a reliable, truthful, well-researched narrative.
Right.
Well, part of it, you know, from our standpoint is, and, you know, I'm a writer, editor, journalists have been for many years, is to resist the temptation to be out there firstest with the mostest.
And it's particularly the case with broadcast media, with radio talk shows, because you have to have the latest thing.
You have to be talking about what just happened 20 minutes ago.
And, you know, even if you have lots of connections, and I've been doing this a long time, we have lots of connections, it is a very arduous process sifting out, okay, what do we really know?
Because it, and that's true, even if you do not have a deep state feeding misinformation because there's always competing interests and perspectives, and so there's going to be differences on how people will see a certain event.
But we're dealing with now the most sophisticated in all of human history, the level of deception that our intelligence agencies that are the official intelligence agencies that are supposed to be protecting us, supposed to be defending us, but they've long ago got completely out of hand.
I mean, going clear back, and this used to be heresy on the part of conservatives to criticize the CIA or the FBI or any NSA, any of those, because that's our first line defense.
Global Governance Debates00:14:37
No, the OSS, which was the forerunner of the CIA from the very beginning, was a very compromised agency.
And it was really run and created by a bunch of blue bloods out of that Yaley skull and bones mind.
All of the Council on Foreign Relations people, all of the early...
So we've done, we focus a lot on the Council on Foreign Relations.
It is the visible brain trust of what we now call, is popularly called the deep state.
We used to refer to it as the internationalists, the globalists, one-worlders.
And an extension of the Royal Institute of International Affairs.
Yep, over in Europe.
Yeah, which was all part of the Rhodes, Cecil Rhodes network setup over a century ago.
So the Council on Foreign Relations had their centenary in 2021.
So they're over 100 years old.
And in 100 years, they have successfully penetrated and permeated all of the top levels of our government, of business and finance.
And so we are going to be publishing an updated table in the New American of what we have published before, fold-out pages showing, particularly going from FDR, Franklin Delano Roosevelt onward, showing all of the different cabinet, official cabinet positions and undersecretaries and deputy secretaries.
It's incredible.
No other organization.
Now, if you had an administration like Donald Trump's and you had three members of the John Birch Society on the cabinet, oh, heads would explode in media land.
Oh, my gosh, they're taking over.
They're already saying that in several of the articles that have appeared.
Oh, the Trump administration, it's just a recrudescence of the Birch Society, you know.
But no other organization has had that broad of reach.
How did they do it?
Because, well, for 100 years, the Morgan, Rockefeller, Rothschild centers of power in banking and finance have funded the political parties so that we do, when people talk about a uniparty, Democrat and Republican Party, that is essentially what we have is a uniparty.
And let me just give a modern day example of that.
It's an invisible empire.
You've got Dick Cheney talking about being, what, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Didn't tell that when I was running for office.
And then when they moved their offices, their main offices into, I believe, Washington, D.C., Hillary Clinton, while she was Secretary of State, famously said, well, it's good to have the Council on Foreign Relations here so they can tell me what I should and we will be doing.
Yes, and I don't have to go all the way up to the mothership in New York.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So, I mean, we have lots of admissions of that now.
Well, why does the Council on Foreign Relations, Prat House, tell the Secretary of State what they should be thinking and what they should be doing?
Well, it's because they are really the power brokers that, and so we watched them closely and in fact I was in the year 2000.
I was our correspondent at the United Nations for many years, for 30, some years.
I didn't live there in New York, but I would go there frequently and cover the major events there.
So in 2000, the Millennium Summit at the United Nations, that's where they launched the Millennium Development Goals, which subsequently, 15 years later, were changed to the Sustainable Development Goals, the SDGs, Agenda 2030.
Which was Agenda 21 before that you had the conference and what was it in Brazil in Brazil in 1992.
But in 2000 they were launching this on a grand scale.
So I was there at the Millennium Summit and just down the street from that at the Hilton big new Hilton there Mikhail Gorbachev was having his Gorbachev summit.
And so you had all of these globalists going back and forth from the UN down to the Hilton to the Gorbachev Summit.
So I was going to both back and forth to both of those and in that I'm a pariah, a skunk at the party, I always have to kind of go down low to get in.
So I usually get to those events early, meet up with some of the people that are setting things up and chit-chat with them and try to befriend the people that are working there.
So in case they don't launch there, it's a little tougher to kick you out or something.
Yeah, so normally then I get invited in on those things and I just kind of turn my card over so they don't see who I am.
And so anyway, I was at both of these events and a gal from the Council on Foreign Relations comes in and says, oh, the Council on Foreign Relations, we're launching a new World Humanity Action Trust tomorrow at our new center right next to Pratt House in New York at 5080 68th Street.
Would you be able to come?
And I said, well, let me check my schedule.
Yeah, I can come.
Yeah, she gives me an invite.
I go there.
I was the only media person that showed up at this.
So they treated me like royalty.
Oh, we're so glad to have you here.
They didn't know who I was.
I had my camera and everything.
Where do you want to set up your camera?
You know, I set it all up.
And so they launched this big event.
And one of the people was there who's, shoot, one of the big globalists.
And I asked him at the time, I said, well, so there seems to be a lot of confusion between what is global governance and what is global or world government.
And he said, well, they're essentially the same thing because that's the deception dodge that they were using at the end of the day.
I forget who it was.
Not Zellikow, who was the ex-head of the World Bank.
I think I got him at Bilderberg.
Wolfenson, probably.
No, that's not the one I'm thinking of.
Glasses.
Man, it's killing me that I can't remember.
But he would say the same thing.
It's about global governance.
And that's the public talking about point blood.
Yeah, well, they knew that people were, so Sridhar Tharampaul, that's who it was.
Anyway, he came right out and said they were the same thing because I was trying to pin them down on that because that's what they have been saying for about 20 years.
Oh, no, you're getting confused.
Global government, we're talking about global governance.
It's a totally different thing, you know.
Now it's different.
Yeah.
So anyway, what we've found in the last few years is particularly the big breakthrough, tragic as it was, was the COVID lockdowns and everything and the COVID mandates and everything.
People kind of saw all of a sudden, wait a second, this is not good.
I don't really know what's happening with this COVID thing that they say out there, but I don't like all this regimentation.
It looks like we're headed into the gulag.
And millions of people, hundreds of millions of people worldwide.
Everybody's seen the demonstrations.
They were in London and in Copenhagen and places you wouldn't expect in Toronto and Amsterdam and all over the world.
Hong Kong, Beijing.
We didn't do those type of things.
Yeah, isn't that kind of sad?
It is, it is.
If you just reverse to say...
You would think we would be the ones leading them.
Well, if you look at the pre-Iraq war, like globally, there were a lot of protests, but in the United States in particular.
Now, that continued up through, I would argue, a little bit past the fifth anniversary of 9-11, where, you know, even I was marching with Code Pink and those type of things.
But it really subsided after the Iraq war.
Mission accomplished, Saddam Hussein had been tried and hung.
And really, it was around the 2010 to 12 mark that all of a sudden it wasn't 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda.
Start hearing about ISIS and these other things and these proxies.
And it just, for me, it took the steam out of the whole thing.
You stopped seeing the anti-war protests altogether, but you still would have thought with the COVID-19 nightmare that there would have been mass protests.
Instead, in this country, we had mass protests during this nightmare where we weren't supposed to go out and meet with anybody over identity politics.
And that, to me, listen, there's one race, it's the human race.
I've never been about police brutality one way or the other.
But even with the Eric Garner case, if you remember that one, that was highly publicized at the time, the family refused to come out and make it about race.
Al Sharpton, for instance, one of the biggest race maiders, had went to that family and they were like, we're not interested in that.
We don't think this was a racial issue.
We think this was police brutality.
It wouldn't have mattered it if he was white or black.
Nope.
Can't have that.
Nope.
Got to exploit it.
Yeah, so where do you think protests are in this country?
Because we did see a little bit of a comeback protest-wise, obviously, with the 2020 elections, but not so much.
I mean, you had a few outside of Washington, D.C., Simone Gold, et cetera, talking about this, but not to the point where we were able to stop anything, right?
Not in a meaningful way.
Again, if you weren't willing to individually navigate it for you and your family, good luck, because the institutions sure weren't helping you.
Yeah, and so we've Got some serious self-reflection to do because obviously this is coming back.
As I spoke yesterday at Redpill, just two days before I arrived here, the World Health Organization, the World Health Organization, had their big meeting in Geneva, and they came up with their first round of new regulations that they're coming out with under the pandemic treaty, which the United States has not signed on to,
but they declare that it's the WHO declares that it is going to be active worldwide, even without the United States, which is, by the way, the number one reason why we should not just withdraw our funding, as Trump has said, but to completely sever our relations with not only the World Health Organization, but with the United Nations.
Thank you.
Listen.
Of which World Health Organization is just one of many appendages.
All right, so let's talk about that.
The UN, especially inside New York, I don't think people understand not only that it's not just a forum.
While I was on the Reawaken America tour, I get a phone call.
My buddy does contracting down in Long Island in New York City.
He's been contracted to redo the roof of the UN building and some of the internals.
He sends me the part that is an elementary school inside of the United Nations.
So he's at the fifth grade wing.
And not only is it the SDGs, it's drag month.
So there are all, we were talking about 10-year-olds, and it's men in drag, and it's LGBTQA, and it's down the line.
And I'm just like, I can't believe this is happening.
And then I look into it, and they have not only schools for grade school and middle school and high school, but then of course they have these programs that take you well into college.
They have the Model UN before that, the Ambassador Program.
They've very much tried to get themselves into the youth.
So I've said it before, I'll say it again.
I want the United Nations out of the U.S. and the U.S. out of the UN altogether, and we can make that into a museum.
You know, Kash Patel was talking FBI museums.
I've been talking UN.
It's a nice building.
It's got private donated to them by the Rockefellers.
So, yeah, in my book, well, and actually in Ed Griffin's book, J. R. Griffin's book, The Fearful Master, he has a photo there.
I'm pretty sure it's in his book.
I know it is in mine.
Of Rockefeller giving a check to, I believe at that time it was Trigg V. Lee, Secretary General, for the United Nations to build the building there.
They donated the land, gave them the money to build it.
Why?
Out of generosity?
No, because that was going to be this central piece of their globalist empire.
You can't have a world government if you don't have a centerpiece to propagate it for the next 50 years, actually.
It's been 80 years now.
So, yes, so we do have an opportunity to do that now.
Senator Mike Lee in the Senate and Representative Chip Roy in the House have introduced, last year they introduced it, they reintroduced it this year, the DEFUND Act, D-E-F-U-N-D.
So we're being invaded by the USB.
Yeah, but that's not my microphones, guys.
I apologize for that one.
Got about five minutes.
Where do we go from here?
What do you see the future of the quote-unquote truth movement or freedom movement?
Because, you know, the predator class, as I think you rightfully identified, you know, one of their globalist arms is the Bilderberg Group.
And they discussed as one of their talking points years ago that we're living in a post-truth world.
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And especially now where there is massive censorship, where AI is on another level and available all over the place, where we haven't had any real criminal investigations slash prosecutions to commit to the constitutional republic we once had, a checks and balances system with the judicial executive legislative.
Is there a way to recreate that and take that back?
There is, and there not only is, but we must take advantage of it now in the time.
I believe we are in a window of opportunity here.
And it's a window that is closing.
Why do I say it's closing?
Because you just mentioned the censorship industrial complex.
It is real.
It includes universities, it includes corporations, it includes government.
We haven't cut all of that away with the Trump administration.
A lot of that deep state has been whittled back.
But even all of the federal funding of all these massive NGO organizations hasn't been cut off yet.
So we have a window of opportunity to move us back toward a constitutional republic of checks and balances.
But that means everyone who's out there, particularly those in MAGA land, and I won't just say Republicans, because a lot of Democrats came over to recognize that, hey, we had to get away from this uniparty Republican Democrat.
We're fighting an obvious fight within the Trump administration.
That's obvious from the Epstein file case.
Something's going on there.
And if we don't want this to end with just going back to normal, we saw what happened last time as soon as Biden came in.
Trump had taken us out of the Paris Accord, the UN-Paris Accord.
It's going to do it.
One of his better things.
I was very happy about it.
And Biden took us right back in.
Trump had taken us out of the World Health Organization.
Biden put us right back in.
Trump took us out of the UNESCO.
He put it right back in.
Because some of these things have to be finalized by Congress.
That means that the House and Senate have to go ahead and say, okay, we're withdrawing from the United Nations.
We're not going to give them any more money.
That means, in order to do that, even my representative, who's a conservative representative, he hasn't signed on to the DEFUND Act yet.
And one of my friends, who's also a constituent of his, asked him a little while ago, and he said, oh, yeah, I signed on to it.
He's claiming publicly that he signed on to it.
But we look on the, go online and look at it and so on.
So he knows he's getting pressure and he needs to get a lot more pressure and then he will go from rhetoric to actual action and sign on.
We need to be relentless.
George Soros has all of his relentless bots out there doing everything.
My son just married Huma Abedeen.
My God.
But we have to be just as relentless in the pursuit of truth, in the support of truth.
Those truth speakers who are out there come under attack.
We've been under attack for 60 years and more than 60 years.
And whenever you see someone speaking up and holding forth for the truth and they're being demonetized, deplatformed, censored, attacked, and smeared, come to their aid because if you don't do that, they're not going to be here to help you and support you.
I get calls all the time, have been for decades.
Oh, can you come help us?
We're being destroyed by the OSHA or EPA or some other FDA.
Well, yeah, but we're already going in about 10 different directions.
We're trying to support all those good people that are fighting against the forces of evil, against the big government.
We're coming to a close, and this is a great way to end it.
How do people support you?
Because you are one of those people that is actually, again, you're looking great for your age.
You've been in this for decades.
It's not just the John Birch Society.
It's not just The New American.
You have a recent book out on the United Nations.
Let everybody know how they can get either involved in John Birch, get a copy of The New American, or especially get a copy of your book.
Very good.
Well, thank you.
So the John Birch Society, you can reach us there at jbs.org, jbs.org, John Birch Society.
The New American is thenewamerican.com.
We publish an actual print magazine.
We are one of those that haven't gone out of the print space.
But we publish The New American every day.
We have new videos and new articles, exclusive articles up there online.
And every Friday, if you're a subscriber, you will get the Insider Report, which I edit and write a considerable amount of, emailed to you as a PDF, or you can read it online.
You can get a sample of it if you go to thenewamerican.com and then across the header ribbon, you'll see insider report in red.
Click on that and you'll see that.
That goes out every Friday.
So support those who are fighting the good fight.
And so my books on the United Nations are The United Nations Exposed and Global Tyranny Step by Step.
The United Nations and the Emerging New World Order.
That was in 1992.
It's back in print.
I wrote that right after coming back from the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro.
And just to give you an idea, this was a massive, this is the largest summit the UN had ever held.
It's when they launched Agenda 21, when they launched the Global Warming Compact, all of these things.
You have the protocols, those things?
There were over 15,000 journalists from all over the world there.
This is a massive thing.
Only conservative there.
They're only one challenging them.
And so this is one of the things that's really bothered me.
I go to New York.
They have a summit there in New York.
I've been going all the way out there to go there.
Fox News is four blocks down the street.
They don't even send a correspondent over.
They don't even cover it.
And so all these massive things are happening, and they're keeping you focused on these little partisan issues, which may have some value, but when you look at the big scheme of things, if somebody's being raped right in front of you, you don't go say, hey, somebody's jaywalking over there.
But anyway, you go to thenewamerican.com, jbs.org, and we look forward to seeing you on the Happy Trails.