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March 10, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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Trust No One And Nothing
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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
We've got a great show lined up for you today.
We're going to be talking about surveillance, technology, the future of this country, and really the world with Sarah Westall.
You're not going to want to miss it.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
We are back.
She is the host of the Sarah Westall Show.
Now, I've been covering technology, surveillance, what some call the technocracy and its approach for a very, very long time now.
I see an overarching agenda that spans through administrations and through generations and even some of the blind spots with Trump are kind of shown in this regard, in my opinion.
When we talk about where we are as a country, for instance, Trump signs that executive order that they're not going to be involved in censorship.
I don't even know what that means.
The government has been so, it sounds nice, but they've been so heavily embedded in narrative management.
You can go back to programs like Mockingbird, of course, but even modern day, and I'll just bring this up really quick, we have signature reduction.
This is an article that's now...
Three-plus years old talks about a program that's well over a decade old at that point, more like 15 years, where there are 60,000 people in this country embedded in the biggest companies in the world, running military operations online and in person, creating fake identities.
I mean, forget about Russia bot armies.
These guys are that on steroids.
I love the idea that we're not going to be...
Doing cyber operations against Russia.
I don't know how real that is either.
But when we're talking about reality, where are we right now in this country and the world?
Because we can go China-China all day, but Google built their censored internet.
It was called Dragonfly then, and I would argue their internet search engine and their operating system that's on a lot of devices globally is still that same thing.
Long-winded intro, I'm going to give you the floor.
Okay.
Well, first, I want to thank you for your documentary back on Loose Change.
That was really eye-opening way back.
I was one of the, you know, I saw it right when it came out.
But, you know, I think it opened a lot of people's eyes.
So thank you for that.
But, you know, I've been saying for a while, I've interviewed Bill Binney and Kirk Wiebe, and I was really into, I know what you're talking about with the Google setting up China.
And so I have an issue right now with everybody, not that it's not warranted to be concerned about what DOGE is doing, but it's so disingenuous for people to talk about them having access to the data so we shouldn't scrutinize what USAID is doing and what the government's doing, when we've known for decades now that there's full-blown access to our data and they're watching everything we're doing.
So it's like, it seems so disingenuous coming from the independent media freaking out over that when there's a much bigger issue, which you just so eloquently stated is going on.
Well, let's take it back prior to Snowden.
And thank you for your comments on 9-11.
It's funny, I just had Anthony Schaefer.
The head of the Able Danger program, and he was in Black Ops all the way back in the 90s, utilizing a lot of these technologies that are still classified to this day.
He had mentioned Benny.
We had a large-scale discussion of that.
But even pre-Snowden, we have...
Norris Insight Systems.
Now, in the court case with Hepting v.
AT&T, you had 24 officials come out and say, essentially, in the AT&Ts of the world, any communication system that was big, Verizon, etc., they had a separate room.
With a server that went directly to the NSA. So it was just a split off.
It's a splitter, folks.
It doesn't curate whether you're an American citizen or a good guy or a bad guy.
It takes everything.
And we know about software like Promise, Carnivore, all the way back in the 90s.
Then you have Snowden come out and he essentially doubles down on that.
But really...
To me, you know, the surveillance stuff is really dangerous, don't get me wrong.
But his biggest revelation was that the government was no longer just redacting things from classified documentation.
He had actually looked at a document that was completely false.
And that was in place of the real one.
See, that's an extra level on top of all of these tools that I think that we have to be concerned about.
Well, that's absolutely right.
And that's what I've been telling people for a long time is you can't just trust the fact you see some document and that's their plan.
You know, I interviewed Rothstein, James Rothstein, who's Detective Rothstein.
He's really where, he's taken down more pedophile networks than anybody ever in our country, maybe in the world.
And I learned a lot through that process.
I had six meetings with him, you know, hours and hours at his home.
He said the same thing.
Sarah, you can't believe any of the documents that are out there.
None of them.
You have to go and verify yourself because part of the propaganda network, the PSYOPs, is creating false documents.
So, I mean, and I see so many journalists or independent journalists saying, this is exactly what's going to do because of this document.
I'm like, well...
I don't know if that's true, right?
Well, that kind of brings us to the idea that we're already in the post-truth world, right?
It is almost impossible to verify anything.
I mean, forget about just paper documentation.
Now audio and visual evidence can be manipulated or created like never before.
You're seeing some of the ramifications.
And this is coming at a time where we're supposed to be not only going into a quote-unquote golden age, according to this administration, but becoming the most transparent administration.
The assassination documents, been waiting for those for a long time.
I'd love to point out that even in the Kennedy ones, yes, we were promised them twice with the Trump administration the first time around didn't get them.
He's come clean.
He said Pompeo and others basically persuaded him not to do it.
Okay, that's great news.
They just found 2,000 documents they said they've never seen before that weren't even available to the Warren Commission.
So explain to me how it was possible the first time around you were going to declassify these things that there was no access to them.
It doesn't give me, I guess, the best feeling.
When I'm waiting for these disclosures or confidence that we're going to get the whole story, the right story, etc.
So that being said, in that arena of transparency, because I think that's a big thing.
I mean, we've got to take it way past the assassinations of the 60s.
And in some ways, even further back.
For instance, I'm a big Annie Jacobson fan.
She wrote the book Operation Paperclip.
On the Nazi integration into our intelligence and scientific communities, NASA, the CIA, you name it.
At the time of our publishing, which is now well over a decade ago, so maybe some of this stuff has been declassified since 2013, there were half a billion, not half a million, 500 million documents still classified on those programs alone.
So, transparency-wise, What needs to be done?
What can be done?
How quickly can it be done?
And how can it be done?
Those are a lot of questions, right?
I think that...
See, I personally like dismantling the control structure, this criminal organization that Doge is doing.
And I know that people don't...
People are pushing back against this, but I think it's critical that we do this.
Even if you don't like the technocracy movement or anything else, you still have to do this.
You have to take these criminal networks down.
And then as far as being really transparent, you have to look at actions, and we have to use our critical thinking.
And stop believing everything we say.
But we also have to stop assuming everything's a conspiracy theory, too.
Not that there aren't a lot of conspiracy theories.
I mean, I'm like being number one, being in some view, being charged with being a conspiracy theorist.
But not everything is a conspiracy theory.
We have to be able to try to figure out what the actions mean.
And we have to be able to support things that help us.
Otherwise, we're...
We're never going to go anywhere.
And so when we look at actions, like the Trump administration, and this is, I mean, it's a double-edged sword.
You need to support their actions of taking down these criminal organizations that are keeping us from being transparent while still being hyper-vigilant and looking at the details and saying, okay, I like this, but I'm going to push back against this.
You know, I mean, you have to be specific.
And I also think that we're in a time where majority of the people are managing our system as if it's 20, 30 years ago.
Meaning that the ship has already sailed.
The biggest companies in the world are big tech companies.
Period.
It just is what it is now.
We've never seen companies this large ever in world history.
Saudi Aramical, the oil company, the big oil company.
A couple years ago was third, now they're sixth as of December.
I haven't looked at it in the last couple months.
They're sixth.
And then every other company in the top 15 are big tech of some sort, supporting big tech or a big tech.
But everybody's managing this world in Congress and in the Senate, the House and the Senate, as if we're from 20, 30 years ago.
There are so few engineers.
Like one computer scientist and three electrical engineers in the entire House and Senate.
Not that those people necessarily are the best.
I mean, each individual needs to be able to see society at large and understand how to manage that information.
And not that somebody who doesn't have that degree can't either.
But my point is, most of them have absolutely no clue whatsoever.
And what Trump is doing, I mean, when you have the entire world, the ship has already sailed.
You have to work with these people.
Is he working with the right people?
I don't know.
But he has to work with these people because the entire, you were saying, back in the early 90s, it was already, they had dual systems.
I came from telecom.
They have dual systems where they're tracking everything.
The same thing is happening in banking.
They already have access to everything.
These big banks have direct systems.
The NSA and these intelligence agencies, you see it in these television shows where they show that they have access to everybody's bank accounts.
That's real!
They really do.
And so Trump knows this in the sense of who he's aligning with.
He has to get in bed with some of these people.
I don't know if he's in bed with the right people.
But when we're so ignorant at large...
And just saying we don't want to have to do with, people are saying we don't want to do with anything in this world, you know, when it comes to big tech or that area, that's a complete mistake because this ship has already sailed, right?
It's better to get involved and understand and then really dig in and figure out what it is that, how we want to manage it.
For example, when it comes to like 5G and telecom, instead of saying we don't want...
You know, we don't want 5G at all and we don't want any of this stuff.
It's like, okay, we can't say we don't want high-speed networking.
Again, that ship has sailed.
So what we do say is, no, we want telecom that works with our bodies.
We want them to be using frequencies that work with our bodies.
There are frequencies out there that won't hurt us from a health standpoint.
So let's...
Let's push legislation forward.
Let's demand that they start using things that work with our bodies.
Let me just stop you there for a second.
But isn't the big problem there that so much of that has been weaponized and is in classified status?
So let me hit on a few points that you made because there's a few broad things.
First of all...
Obviously, I like what's happening in regards to USAID being dismantled.
I want to see this go through every department.
That's great.
Elon Musk, I go on for an hour on why I'm not a big fan of his.
And I think he's extremely dangerous.
I mean, he's the number one defense contractor.
I go through...
A dozen other things.
Transhumanism.
I think in large part he's a front.
I mean, he's a face.
I'm not even sure exactly what he's doing all the time, if he's doing all this podcasting and wearing hats.
I mean, you take a company like Apple, which is amongst those top companies you talk about.
Steve Jobs was pretty driven down the line.
It was a computer company that turned into a phone company, but really a hardware company first that based itself on an ecosystem that was their own software.
That's it.
Can you imagine the Teslas of the world, the Neuralinks of the world, the SpaceX's?
I'd go on.
You know what I mean?
I mean, that's Starlink again and again, the boring company.
I mean, just building underground facilities.
I mean, that alone, there would be one CEO. So I'm very skeptical of where he's at in all these companies in the first place.
X, I didn't even mention that.
Narrative management's still going on there.
But what's going on with Doge is great.
I love the rhetoric, and it may be more than rhetoric.
We're going into Fort Knox.
Let's stream it live.
Sounds awesome.
Please, let Ron Paul go audit the Fed.
Exactly.
All day long.
All day long.
At the same time, I think that you still have to call him out when he's bringing Altman up there or someone like Larry Ellison, and they're talking about mRNA technology, etc.
If we are going to get to those transparent levels, essentially some of these technologies are going to have to be declassified.
I think that's a good place to take a break and have a segue because Marc Andreessen, who's kind of just been thrown on the scene recently, made that revelation that when talking about AI, the government said, hey, don't invest in it.
We've already got a walled-off garden.
And he's like, what do you mean?
The math's already out.
How are you going to do it?
He goes, we'll do it the same way we did with large swaths of physics in the research communities during the Cold War.
I need that to sink in for people.
The Cold War was very long, and do you think that they've...
What information and technology have they revealed since the Cold War, everybody?
Not too much.
Take that break.
We're going to come back.
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So Sarah, what of that?
Because obviously...
There's a lot of technology that is still classified as being utilized to this day for quote-unquote national security or weapon systems reasons.
I understand the necessity for that.
But at the same time, it's a large hurdle towards transparency.
And by the way, to kind of hone in on another point I wanted to that you made, I agree not everything is a conspiracy.
I always tell people to do this.
You've taken as much information from the mainstream to the kookiest kook.
And what you've got to do is cross-reference information and use this magical thing that we've been blessed with as human beings called discernment.
And what do you think you can prove what makes sense and what doesn't?
Because at the end of the day, I'm not about shape-shifting lizard people and Joe Biden masks.
I'm about reality.
And the things that you can pin.
And people are fallible.
They are just people.
You meet a lot of these people behind the curtain and you start to understand that.
So sometimes it is the simplest of a greedy motivation or a self-serving.
It doesn't have to be a larger thing or a cover-up, etc.
Sometimes it is a little bigger and more nefarious.
I'll let you make comments.
I think we're pretty much in agreement, right?
The thing is, is there's nuances and there's factions everywhere.
Human beings are, I mean, no matter what environment you get into, there's factions, right?
You said so many things.
How are we going to create a transparent environment when there is so much interest to not do that?
And so I think we have to take the wins where we get the wins and encourage that behavior wherever we can.
I love some of the stuff that's going on.
But the same standpoint, I totally agree with being concerned about Elon Musk or being concerned about Larry Ellison or being concerned about...
So that was my point.
When we have a whole world that the ship has already sailed, big tech is running things, engineers have taken over business.
I mean, they're automating every job, pretty much.
And I say...
Medical doctors, my field can automate what a medical doctor does, but it can automate the things that can be algorithmic, right?
But it can't automate those that forge the fields forward.
I just want people to know that.
The ones who truly are experts in their fields, you can't automate that.
But you can't automate people who are like technicians.
So my point is that we have a challenge here of re-looking at the way the world is and getting involved intimately at trying to have a place at the table.
My big message, have a place at the table, people.
And the way to have a place at the table is to intimately get involved and understand what's going on and then force some of these things onto our politicians, who a lot of them are clueless.
So we've got to make sure that we have more knowledgeable people out there.
We have to ensure that they're doing things that are for our best interest, and that's by getting involved more.
I love everything that you're saying.
I mean, I agree with it.
I can't argue with anything that you said.
And the thing is, is that it takes more knowledge.
I mean, you've studied a lot.
And so we need more citizens to step up.
When it comes to mind control and some of these advanced things and some of the advanced...
You know, abilities that people have.
I keep saying we need to get the engineers who built this stuff or engineers who are capable of understanding.
You don't have to have the formal background, at least learn this stuff.
Some of the best people didn't go to college for it, right?
But you need to learn it and you need to come up with tools to help mitigate the problems that are happening.
Right?
So, like, if somebody's being attacked by some 5G weapon system or 6G weapon system, we need tools to block it.
That means that we need these engineers to come forward and we need to develop tools.
And it's like what Trump is saying with the AI, whether they're going in a good direction or not.
Needs is still out there.
The verdict is out there.
And we shouldn't be naive.
So we need people who understand this stuff to really watch like a hawk and say, okay, we love Ron Paul.
That's awesome.
Let's support that.
But I don't know about this MRNA, Ellison stuff.
We need to really dig into this part.
But it takes people who are more knowledgeable and getting these people involved and helping to come up with solutions.
And you can't...
What I'm seeing right now with the independent media is they're just against everything.
It's like, how can you just be against everything?
And it seems like that they're working for the bad guys when you start doing that, right?
Well, let me say this.
I run with the black pill crowd, so I'm part of the Independent Media Alliance.
So I'm very intimately, I'm on a little message board with people like The Last American Vagabond and Derrick Brose.
Whitney Webb, Catherine Austin Fitz, you name it.
And to a certain extent, hey, I've been part of that black pill crowd for a while.
And let me integrate that into what you said.
For me...
I try to bring that voice of reason that some of these things are absolutely positive and it's not always nefariously driven.
But at the same time, like you talked about factions, you're going to have to navigate the realities of what already is.
And that's what I always tell people.
And it's like, at the end of the day, also playing into what you said, ignorance is not bliss.
You're going to want as much information as possible.
I mean...
During the COVID-1984 nightmare, I think that was the most apparent in my lifetime for myself, my loved ones, my lifestyle, in a very uncertain future, right?
At the same time, kind of like what I led with, certain things aren't addressed.
Certain things seem like it's permafacient.
It sounds great.
Again, we're going after the cartels.
They're terrorists now.
What does that mean?
The U.S. government has been dealing drugs for a very long time.
And honestly, the last time we had any kind of criminal accountability, and a lot of it was slaps on the wrist and pardons at the fact, was Iran-Contra.
That network was never broken up.
I would argue that that network, which was an international intelligence operation that were government organizations, U.S., Israeli, privatized, South American, etc.
They had all sorts of plausible deniability circles.
That network never went away.
In fact, Lord knows what we don't know that they've done, that they've gotten away with.
So you make them cartels.
Look, I love the incentive.
I love, again, the way it sounds.
But what do you actually do?
In order to do that and so many of these things like release the Epstein files, Well, to do that, there's a lot of criminal activity in there.
And before you just list all or release the files, you'd actually have to make indictments and prosecute those things.
And through the court cases, those documents would come out.
Because there's no doubt there's criminal activity through there.
So how do we start getting to the criminal activity accountability phase?
Because if we don't get there...
I don't know how much any of this matters.
Because like you said, the technology is moving forward.
We still need systems of checks and balances and accountability.
Or I'm with the black pill crowd.
All of it will go up.
I mean, for instance, and I know I'm ranting here, but you talked about the doctor's thing, right?
And I'm totally with you that some things can be automated.
But it's garbage in, garbage out with AI. For sure.
If it's programmed a certain way to tell you about a certain treatment.
And not another one.
That's the way it's going to do.
You take out the human factor.
Listen, humans can be bad.
They can be inept.
They can be evil.
I will take them 100% of the time against something that has been directly programmed against my best interests in a malicious manner.
Oh, for certain.
For certain.
And so what I was saying is that the doctors, I see I'm actually pretty negative on medical doctors right now because I think a lot of them have essentially been programmed anyways, right?
And the ones that are really good are the ones that can help forge the field forward.
They understand what it is that they're actually doing, right?
And what could be worse than automating a field like medicine and then putting in that you have to take the mRNA COVID shot, right?
I mean, that's like hell on earth.
It couldn't be any worse than that.
And so what do you do?
You make sure that you have really good people involved.
Making sure there's not garbage in.
It makes sure that you're getting all the holistic stuff in.
Because, like I said, the ship has already sailed.
And we can create this little niche of living on our compounds, but the masses of humanity are still screwed.
If you don't get involved, make sure that the holistic Naturopathic ways and natural remedies, the most educated people when it comes to an educated, meaning the most knowledgeable people, are involved in this and that we work like crazy to make sure that these systems are not hell on earth.
I don't know how else to solve it, but I think just being against all of it, all you're going to do is be marginalized.
And this might not be a popular message, but you're going to get walked on.
You're going to be marginalized.
The ship has already sailed.
So what's the best way to do it?
That means to get the most brightest, most knowledgeable people involved and push back like hell with inside the system to make sure that what we have there is going to work for us.
Unless you don't care about the masses of humanity, and we're just here to protect our small group of knowledgeable people.
Because you're just going to continually be more and more marginalized.
And that's my message, is that we can't allow, it's too important to allow that to happen.
And that we have to get involved.
And in a deeper way.
I always say to people, one of the reasons that I did get involved in this kind of arena is because I felt like I was directly under attack.
I grew up...
In a pretty poor household on welfare, I realize I didn't really mean anything to these people, and I think to myself, man, imagine being in a second or third world nation, and then obviously the 9-11 revelations, had I believed that after the fact a bunch of Muslims that hated my freedoms, okay, I'm not necessarily against war, but then I think about all those people.
That we're victimized by a lie and what happened here.
You have to think about your other human beings because if you don't, you're against your own self-interest.
It is in all of our self-interest for others to not only survive but thrive in their environments and be as free as possible.
We're going to take a quick break.
We're going to come back.
I do want to talk about...
Big tech and their integrations and origins in government and how some of these things are really even considered to be.
We'll come back with more Making Sense of the Madness after this.
Hey everybody, Jason Burmus here.
Let you know that Making Sense of the Madness is changing for a bit.
Soon enough, we're going to be moving to a more commentary-driven show, which airs live on my socials.
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To get some minor sponsors at $1,000 apiece each month and move it back in the direction of what you just saw with those great interviews with people who have done deep research.
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So let's talk narrative management.
Obviously, Google's at the top of the heap.
Not only because they work internationally, not only because they're the number one search engine in the world, but they're the number two search engine in the world, which is YouTube, which is the number one video platform in the world.
And they also happen to run Android and Chrome OS, Chrome OS, which is in every school in America, basically, the largest operating system in the country and perhaps the world.
Sounds like a monopoly to me.
And I didn't even mention their Defense Department contracts with the NSA and NASA in quantum computing and artificial intelligence.
Doesn't seem like a private company to me.
And then you look at, again, its origin story.
Initial funding comes through NASA and DARPA in the National Library Initiative.
This was the program back in the 90s to digitize the world's knowledge.
Remember, back in the day, Google was kind of cool because you could go through and actually get all the documents that they had scanned in all these old newspapers.
Used them in my documentary films all the time, folks.
On top of that, seed money from In-Q-Tel, which is the CIA funding arm.
You look at a guy like Eric Schmidt.
And by the way, they're all a shell company of Alphabet.
They're all under this one umbrella.
But Eric Schmidt gets in there early 2000s directly working with the National Security Council.
All these things.
I mean, for instance, it was kind of a joke to me a couple weeks ago when they repealed that they were not going to work on AI weapons systems.
They've been working on military weapons systems for the government forever, and I would argue their original intent, they are an AI weapons system.
Go ahead.
Well, you're absolutely right.
That gets back to my point that the whole world is big tech now, and so they're not going to be...
That's the deep state working through these companies.
They're not going to let them have this power without somehow controlling it, right?
It's just that we have a bunch of Congress people that are clueless overall.
And they're running wild without any kind of oversight is essentially what's happening.
And so that's a problem, right?
And I don't know.
I think Amazon with their AWS system and some of that stuff is, It's pretty incredible, too, as far as how it goes.
And I've got to tell you...
Well, again, look at Amazon.
They pick winners and losers.
Listen, you look at that company, and for those that don't remember, before you do everything on Amazon, they were a book company.
They were selling books.
They were not profitable for almost two decades.
That doesn't happen in real capitalism.
I'm sorry.
It doesn't...
They pick...
And that's the problem with Musk as well.
Tesla.
First of all, Tesla's not just a car company.
They're way more than that.
I mean, they printed up the hate and lie shots by partnering with CureVac, if you didn't know.
They literally printed up the vast majority of the mRNA shots, everybody, at the behest of Musk.
But we had other car companies.
We had big ones that were trying to get into the electric car market and just somehow they couldn't make it.
And then Tesla that had to be subsidized by the government again for about a decade plus before even getting into a profit somehow makes it.
We pick – It is the definition of techno-fascism, in my opinion.
That's right.
Absolutely it is.
And that's why you have...
I mean, the more people...
It's so much easier to do that when everybody's ignorant.
Nobody's getting involved in that way, right?
So...
That's why I'm saying we can't marginalize ourselves and we have to get involved because that's how you make a difference.
I think the involvement and the mass screams with COVID, as much as we're so frustrated that nothing really seems to have happened, it did make a difference because the people stopped taking, for the most part, the people stopped taking this darn jab and it did make a difference and it's pushing back.
That's the kind of momentum that you need when you want to make a difference.
And you can't sideline yourself.
You've got to get more involved.
And it's hard with technology because it's complicated.
People don't really understand it.
And when it comes to Google, there are very few people who have been more censored than me.
I'm still not on YouTube, right?
I didn't get back on X until last June.
Right?
June 2023. And I was suppressed until like a month and a half ago.
So there aren't many people who are more censored than me on the planet, right?
And I'm working really hard to get around that and trying to work with people.
And maybe someday I'll get out of that box.
But so I know, I mean, I'm a victim of that more than almost anybody else.
But the same standpoint, we have to take the time to understand what this is all about.
And I keep beating that drum.
We have to get more people who are in the mainstream to come up with solutions.
And Robert Epstein, he's amazing.
I mean, as far as his work goes, are you familiar with, I know you are, Robert Epstein and his work on Google.
And one of the things that he did, I did that fifth generation mind control series, which...
The biggest complaints that I get on that is I didn't go all the way.
And the point of my thing with that was that I wanted to create the biggest darn umbrella I possibly could so that people could understand that this manipulation was going on right now and you needed to understand it in your own life and it could make a difference.
That was my point of that.
But we had him included in that.
He had a study, this was based in Australia, so that it could be non-political.
And he did it based on Twitter in Australia.
And he showed, and I don't know the exact percentages, but he showed that over 90% of the people did not know that they were being manipulated.
And that over 90% of the people would change their vote based on false information.
And that only 3% of the people even knew that they were getting false information.
So the level of manipulation, and I call that kind of low-tech stuff, even though it isn't necessarily low-tech, because there's a lot of psychological things in that.
It's kind of a lower-tech.
It's lower-tech compared to what they actually have.
And that's the power they have just with social media.
And so the only way to combat it is to get people, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
I mean, push back against me.
But I don't know how else to combat it versus getting people engaged as much as possible, just like they're infiltrating.
We've got to get people as much as possible who understand this stuff in positions of power and in position of influence to make a difference.
Because in my lifetime, if you don't have power, you don't make much of a difference.
I would agree.
Listen, I would agree with you 100% that you have to have those one-on-one conversations or look people in the eye.
It can't just be even a virtual meeting like this one.
Don't get me wrong.
That's good.
But it's always good to sit down with somebody and have that across the board and get that human feeling for them.
At the same time...
When we talk about a lot of this technology, like you said, you could talk about the stuff that's being waged on kind of with a soft power.
The psychological operations, the manipulation of the airwaves, of frequencies, all that stuff, again, has open scientific merit and is out there.
And even with the Havana Syndrome stuff, they're starting to talk about it more and more and more.
The real worrisome stuff to me is the normalization of things like artificial intelligence now tells you who is a terrorist.
Oh, we made this list of 34,000 members of Hamas.
On top of that, now we are using, and that's the Lavender program, of course.
We're making it okay for guerrillas.
Now, I'm not even convinced.
Maybe it happened.
They said that they intercepted.
All of these pagers for these Hamas members.
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.
Either way, they remotely detonated them in public in areas where there were civilians.
Just decided to kill whoever they wanted.
Insane.
And that's been endorsed by this current administration.
People like Peter Thiel that very much got this dream team together and I would say was also kind of behind some of the podcast.
I know they're giving Barron Trump All the cred for the podcast marketing.
But I also think Thiel showing up just before Trump, maybe like a month earlier on Epstein and the Vance.
I mean, you look down the line.
This administration has Thiel's fingerprints all over it.
Thiel's a smart guy.
Says a lot of nice things.
At the end of the day, Palantir is really all I have to say on top of what I just said.
And by the way...
Also heavily invested in Facebook and that kind of origin story.
It's not just Zuckerberg.
It's a lot of Thiel as well.
So when you are dealing with characters like that, I mean, number one, that's why you kind of want to be in those orbits and those circles and those ears so maybe you can push back.
But how do you...
See, that's where I'm with the black pill crowd because the conservatives don't want to acknowledge any of that stuff.
And it's extremely dangerous.
Go ahead.
There aren't many people who are more disappointed with the whole Middle Eastern situation than me.
How can you base an entire war on a false flag and then keep beating that drum?
Well, we did it for 9-11 for two decades before anyone is like, now it's kind of like normalized that, oh yeah, no, totally lied to about it.
But there's still the hardcores.
We're still in the Middle East in some capacity.
I mean, October 7th, so not even two years ago.
I mean, if you think about it, two years deep on 9-11, we were just ready to go to war with Iraq.
And that was the last stronghold of a protest in this country.
So how do you do it?
Well, it's been done.
Go ahead.
Well, you know, I have conversations with people all the time.
And how I try to get to people who are Christians, who aren't really engaged that way.
I mean, they're not the politician types.
They're just listening.
I tell them that Christians don't believe in this.
You don't act.
It's not this way if you're a Christian.
You don't do this.
This is a political narrative that they're trying to shove down your throat, claiming that Christians should support this because you're supporting the Jewish people by supporting this.
No, you're supporting a state government.
That's not the same thing.
Christians are not for this kind of stuff, for killing a lot of people.
That's not what it means to be a Christian.
And I think that's an important message to get out there.
Because I'm a peace person.
I don't want these kind of words.
There are times if somebody's, you have to be like, I'm a Ron Paul type.
I believe in his message on, you need to have a strong defense, but you don't go and create all these problems that make it, make yourself less safe, right?
The Middle East is a problem.
I had Rudy Giuliani on, and I welcome everybody to watch that.
I got yelled at for a good 20 minutes on that, and I eventually got him to settle down, and we had a conversation.
And the conversation needs to be, a smart conversation about this is, first of all, we shouldn't be doing something based on a false flag.
And then the other thing, and then blindly following it, but...
He did make a point about them being an important ally for us in that region.
Okay, is that true?
And do we need that?
And how can that be used?
And what are we sacrificing to do that?
Those are the conversations that we need to have.
But we also have to say it's not okay in our name to be behaving like this.
To me, it's so obvious that you don't do this stuff.
I think the problem is there on the peripheral, you have the clash of civilizations.
Personally, I'm not even a Christian.
I think it's abhorrent.
I've said to people, I wish that he handled Netanyahu the same way he handled Zelensky, let's be honest.
When you talk about the false flag aspect of it, first thing I bring up to people, number one, hey, Palestine doesn't have an air force.
Let alone like a real military.
So, I mean, come on, let's start there.
And then I was like, just so you know, U.S. Special Forces were already in Israel on October 7th, and we sent more immediately after.
I know.
And people don't get any of that stuff.
But I also think, and I'm just going to make this point before we take the final break, you do have that kind of in-the-know.
Religious zealot crowd that actually wants to bring in Revelations and the Apocalypse.
And that's one of the allied things.
And I think it's totally insane.
But you have this crowd that's like, hey...
We've got to let Israel take the Dome of the Rock and make it bigger, and then all of a sudden we're going to rebuild the temple, and everybody's going to, you know, for the Jews, that's it.
That's their guy they rule over for the Christians.
All of a sudden it gets interesting.
He becomes the Antichrist, and I guess all sorts of good stuff happens.
Personally, again, I'm agnostic at best, but that doesn't seem to fly with me when you see, listen, I'm so sick of seeing dead kids.
In my damn feed.
I know.
Whether it's from the Middle East or Eastern Europe.
It's not my thing.
It's not my thing, folks.
Sarah, we've got to take that last break.
We're going to take this break.
We're going to come back.
We're going to get her commentary on what I just said afterwards.
Final segment of Making Sense of the Madness after this.
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And we are back, and I was kind of talking about the greater foreign policies and the tragedies surrounding them.
I know you wanted to make a comment, please.
Well, that's why I like to bring, when I talk to Christians, because I was raised a Christian, right?
My mom's a Eucharistic minister, and I had to accolade every other weekend.
But I have a critical mind, and I think differently.
But that being said, I understand the teachings of a lot of that.
And the teachings are of peace and love.
So you can just remind them of that, that this is not...
What they do.
And that people who are extreme, like you're talking about, they're trying to bring in the end times and stuff.
That's why we have to bring a sense of common sense and rational thought here and make sure that we don't get extreme.
And we say, this is crazy, folks.
We're not trying to bring in the end times.
I mean, we don't, the end times that the end times happen, it's not because we cause it to happen.
It's because it happens.
And so you don't do this stuff.
That's crazy.
And you bring in as much rational common sense as you possibly can to every situation that you run up against.
And you do it like you lose change.
I mean, you do it through bringing information that's common sense.
The reason why your 9-11 movie resonated with so many people is because it was common sense.
Well, I think that one of the...
Number one, Dylan was a really good editor and had a good production style, but we used so many of the mainstream documentation and videos.
It just was the stuff that was not focused on via the narrative they were selling you.
And then when you realized that they were telling you one thing at one point and then telling you another, again, you could take it to the COVID-1984 era where it became so apparent.
It was a very different time, right?
We were still living in an era where there was only about 60 channels.
Being on the internet and having internet videos, there was no YouTube, right?
Really, loose change makes its way virally.
Not through YouTube, but Google Video, as they want to become a competitor.
And honestly, you talk about these technology companies, I would argue, as far as software companies go, that was really the last big one was YouTube, who sold off for $8 billion.
But that was because they were in direct competition with Google, and Google allowed you to upload a four-hour video instead of 10 minutes, which was the limitation at the time on YouTube.
So it became a direct competitor quick, but they saw the value in it, took it.
And now it's a narrative management tool.
You know, that's the thing.
With the censorship, it's very hard to get around the narrative management, whether it be from the mainstream or, unfortunately, with the quote-unquote alternative because the alternative gets it wrong a lot, you know?
I'll just give you a couple examples that really bother me.
Anybody who's holding water for Andrew Tate and his brother has no idea.
What they were involved in.
None.
I know.
Let me bring it to the White House.
I railed for close to six years before it went to trial that Conor McGregor was a brutal, violent, serial rapist.
Almost killed that girl.
He got convicted in a civil trial.
That woman held out.
She wanted a criminal case.
If you saw what they did in Ireland, they only...
They only successfully prosecuted about 8% of sexual assaults in Ireland.
The details were over the top.
That guy's at the inauguration.
What is going on here?
I'm a huge UFC fan.
I'll be calling MMA fights in two weeks.
Why would you want that guy anywhere near your administration?
I don't understand that either.
I get that.
I mean, there's a lot of red flags.
I get that.
We need to take the wins where we can and we need to fight back where we can.
I did a series, or not a series, I did a good show with Common Sense Skeptic on Andrew Tate, the Tate Brothers, and I used all their own videos to incriminate them.
They're so easy to incriminate because they say it themselves.
And I don't know how anyone can support these guys.
And it's not just about young women that are victims.
So it's the minds of young boys that are almost It's almost worse.
It's the sociopathic, psychopathic demonstration of that people are things at your disposal and you are allowed to act.
It's almost Crowley-esque.
It's like do as thou wilt.
It really upsets me and annoys me.
The guy's articulate, speaks extremely well, lies a lot these days.
But again, that's why you have discernment.
You just look.
Everything available.
And look, it may be a little more difficult to find information these days, but if you want to find it and it's out there, there's never been more of a golden era because there is so much stuff in the public arena.
You might have to use certain tools that you didn't, but it's there.
And again, I would encourage people to not lean into team baseball or that ignorance is bliss.
And truly, if we want to change these things, it's not just, Talking to our neighbors and our communities, but holding people accountable and pushing through.
So we got about three minutes left in the broadcast.
What is that message of pushing through?
But at the same time, what should we remain skeptical and aware of so that we can push through on the big issues?
What should we resist?
Well, I think your narrative control is really scary.
I mean, that's why I did that whole series.
The biggest reason I did that whole series is the fact that how much we're being controlled.
And we're in this fifth generation warfare where they just completely manipulate all of us.
But the only way to get around this is to get involved and to be more knowledgeable.
And it doesn't mean to check out of the system.
It means to...
Dig in.
Dig our heels in.
And if you have knowledge or if you have engineering experience or some kind of tech experience, We need you involved even more.
And we don't need the woke stuff, you know, the big tech.
I don't believe.
I think that's a psyop.
I really do.
I think the majority of the people aren't buying all that crap.
So you need the people who have this knowledge to say, I'm good enough to get involved.
For so long, because I'm a software engineer.
That's my background.
For so long, software engineers have been told, don't get involved because this is where you belong.
You don't belong on this other side.
No, we need.
I need them to evolve and get involved because this is what the whole world is going towards.
So we need more people with more knowledge and the people who do have a lot of knowledge to learn, who understand society in general, how to manage some of that, start understanding software and engineering more because you're getting run over.
I mean, I just watch it over.
People are just getting run on.
And just like Amazon, the AWS services, most people don't even know what that is.
I mean, you need to know what that stuff is because that's running a big part of our world.
And, I mean, that's my...
Just get involved.
Sarah, we have come to an end.
Let everybody know where they can support you.
Well, I appreciate so much being on your show.
I really do.
You can go to sarahwestall.com and that's my website.
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So if you sign up for my newsletter, you'll be on my Substack.
And thank you for inviting me today.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you for coming.
I appreciate you.
And I appreciate you guys watching this show here at Patriot.TV five days a week.
To me, it's not about left or right.
It's always about right and wrong.
I love you guys, and we will see you on the flip side.
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