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March 5, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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BOMBSHELL!!! 9/11 Hijackers Were On The CIA Payroll!!!
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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
We've got a great show lined up for you today.
Long time coming.
We've got 20-year congressional veteran Kurt Weldon on with us to not only discuss able danger, FBI corruption, but where we are in the Trump 2.0 administration and whether or not we're going to start seeing some disclosures of the things that many of us wanted to see really.
You're not going to want to miss it.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
And we are back.
Now, before we get to Kurt Weldon, I really want my audience, especially the new people in the audience, to understand the significance of Abel Danger.
So here's just a four-minute clip from my film, Fabled Enemies, all the way back in 2008, describing the program.
Now I guess we can safely say...
That there were people within the FBI and other agencies who actively protected and aided the alleged terrorists.
With all the resources available to U.S. intelligence, you would think that someone within would have detected something.
Well, one did.
The black operation program Able Danger identified the hijackers prior to 9-11, but the FBI wasn't interested.
Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, an intelligence officer inside Able Danger, tried to blow the whistle several times.
Was the commission that investigated the 9-11 attacks told that lead hijacker Mohammed Atta had been identified and as al-Qaeda operative more than a year before terrorists struck?
I'm told confidently by the person who did move the material over that the 9-11 Commission received two briefcase-sized containers of documents.
I can tell you for a fact that would not be one-twentieth of the information that Abel Danger consisted of during the time we spent.
Schaefer would also meet with Philip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9-11 Commission.
What did Schaefer tell Zelikow?
I'm quoting how I remember saying it.
We found, as part of the data run, we found two of the three cells which conducted the 9-11 attacks to include Atta.
Schaefer says his unit linked Atta to al-Qaeda leaders, but would not provide any specifics.
As to what he did with the information he had...
We attempted to, first off, use it operationally.
The lawyers said you can't do that.
They're considered U.S. persons.
Therefore, at that point in time, we made the determination as a team that we should move this information to the FBI. But he says beginning in September 2000, three meetings he set up with the FBI were each canceled by military lawyers.
Despite all of this, the 9-11 Commission would deny it any significance and not include it in the report.
Leaving a project targeting al-Qaeda as a global threat a year before we're attacked by al-Qaeda is equivalent to having an investigation of Pearl Harbor and leaving somehow out the Japanese.
Schaefer and his team tried to stop the hijackers prior to 9-11, but were blocked.
Later, the military would begin a smear campaign against them in order to discredit their findings.
A Pennsylvania congressman says there's a smear campaign going on inside the Pentagon, and he wants the defense chief to get to the bottom of it.
Republican Congressman Kurt Weldon says Pentagon officials are trying to ruin one of their own who's gone public about a top-secret military intel unit.
Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, who was the first member of Able Danger to go public, has now been told in writing by the Defense Intelligence Agency that he can't speak to members of Congress or their staff without prior approval.
And now a security clearance, which allowed him to...
The deal with classified information has been pulled.
The congressman says Schaefer has been gagged, punished for speaking up.
It's obvious to me.
This is a clear attempt to silence this guy, but now even more than to silence him, to ruin him as a person and a military officer.
I've talked to all the Able Danger players, and they all agree.
This is a witch hunt against Tony.
It's wrong.
It's un-American.
It's unacceptable.
The Pentagon reportedly does not want the public to hear next week's Senate testimony about the former secret intelligence unit known as Able Danger.
Two congressional sources have told Fox News that the military's pressuring When the Able Danger hearings were held, Schaefer and others were gagged.
Eventually, Schaefer would be able to speak at a whistleblower's hearing.
Many of us take seriously our oath of office to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Let me be up front here.
I am no Boy Scout.
I was not hired as an intelligence officer because I hung out at the Christian Science Reading Room.
My job is to get information using tried-and-true intelligence methodologies.
According to my legal counsel, until I disclosed the Able Danger information, I was a rock star.
It was my work as the Chief of DIA's Special Mission Task Force back in 1998 that I became involved with Able Danger.
My officers and I were working at the cutting edge of technology and DOD black operations.
Most of all of my operations and operational records remain classified.
With all this evidence, why did the 9-11 Commission and Pentagon suppress valuable information about the hijackers' activities leading up to the attacks?
And now to discuss that and really how they came after him as well is Congressman Kurt Weldon.
Congressman Weldon, first of all, thank you so much for joining us.
Well, first of all, thank you for having me and thank you for the great work you've been doing for the country.
It's only because of people like you that the American people can finally understand what's really going on with our country.
And I've waited for almost 20 years to tell the story because, to be honest with you, I couldn't trust.
The leadership in the White House to protect me against those that I knew were the reason why I left Congress in 2006. And second, I would tell you that my loyalty in public life was to the fire service.
I am a firefighter and a former fire chief myself, a state fire instructor.
When I went to Congress, I organized all the firefighters in America.
I've been to all 50 states.
And I attended all the major disasters within days after they happened.
And formed the Fire Caucus, which remains the largest in the Congress with over 300 members.
My co-chairs are people like Joe Biden, Al Gore, John McCain, Steny Hoyer, both parties, and everything I did was bipartisan.
But at the time I was working all these fire issues, I went up to the World Trade Center in 93, was on scene with Fire Commissioner Howard Safer, and down in the garages walking through with the ATF and DEA to understand what happened, why this attack occurred, and what we could have done or how we deal with it.
In the future.
That's where I met a fellow who had become a good friend of mine who gave me the jacket I'm wearing.
This jacket was given by Ray Downey.
Ray Downey became the eventual rescue chief for New York City Fire Department, who was basically vaporized.
He was overseeing the 343 firefighters that were in the Trade Center towers trying to rescue people and had no chance.
And in 93, he gave me this jacket because of the commitment I made to help Ray and the Fire Department of New York prepare and protect against another attack.
Following that, I introduced legislation to create the Gilmore Commission, which was chaired by former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore.
That commission, Ray was on that commission.
They made five reports.
In fact, the bulk of the 9-11 Commission recommendations had already been made by the Gilmore Commission.
So they didn't do any real major task.
They simply took what the Gilmore Commission had been doing for the eight preceding years and they published them.
But while doing that, I was at the time the vice chairman of the Defense Committee in the Congress overseeing the military and was the chairman of the Oversight Committee for All Military Research.
That budget was about $180 billion a year.
And at the time, the services were standing up information dominance centers to allow the services to deal with the cutting edge threats posed by cyber attacks and using technology and intelligence to understand where the future threats would be.
Each of the services had their own.
I was funding them all.
I got to know the players.
The Army's program was at Fort Belvoir at the Land Information Warfare Center right near the capital, and I would go down there and visit.
I didn't know at the time that what I was seeing was basically able danger.
I didn't ask to be ready into the program because I didn't need to know that, but I witnessed what they were doing, the software they were using, like Starlight and Spires and other cutting-edge software, the data mining they were doing, and the link analysis they were doing.
And I understood they were doing it to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats, which is what...
We saw as a result of the 93 attack.
And so I got the Gilmore Commission to make a very important recommendation before 9-11.
In fact, I had the Deputy Secretary of Defense, John Hamry, go down to Fort Belvoir, meet with the team.
I said, John, you have to go and see what they're doing down there.
He did.
He called me back.
He said, you're right.
I said, John, we need to have this capability so that we can prepare.
And understand future threats and attacks.
He said, I agree, but you've got to convince the FBI and the CIA to allow us to use their raw data.
There are 33 classified systems in the federal government, but they're the two big ones, and you've got to convince them.
So on November the 4th of 1999, in my office, I had the Deputy Secretary of Defense, John Hammering, the Deputy Director of the FBI and Deputy Director of the CIA, and I handed them a nine-page proposal to create what we call the NOAA, National Operations Analysis Hub, There's a chapter in my book about the NOAA and showing you the picture of what I gave them.
John Hamrey said, it's a great idea.
We need it.
I'll manage it.
I said, I'll get it funded.
The FBI said, we'll support it.
And the CIA said, we don't need it.
The CIA, two years before 9-11, blocked the capability that was the primary shortfall that resulted in 9-11 attack occurring.
For two years, I spent traveling around the country speaking at intelligence events, calling for a fusion center.
When Bush came into office, I briefed the Bush administration to set up a fusion center.
They didn't listen.
When 9-11 happened, I was in my office in the Rayburn building, and I got frantic calls on my cell phone.
One from Tony Schafer, Lieutenant Colonel, Bronze Star recipient.
One from Scott Philpott, the commanding officer, Annapolis grad.
Of Able Danger.
One from Dr. Eileen Pricer, the career intel officer from the Air Force.
Able Danger.
Eric Kleinsmith.
They all called me.
They said, separately, we've got to talk to you, Congressman.
I said, we're under attack right now.
What do you want me to do?
We need to see you right away.
Can I just stop you right there?
What time was the first call?
I am curious.
It was on the day of the attack.
So are we talking post what had happened in Pennsylvania, the last leg of the attack?
Post what happened in New York.
So basically immediately after it had been identified and on the news, you got a call from several players within Able Danger.
Due to your proximity.
To these operations, and I would assume your white papers that you put out prior to this to try and create these fusion centers and awareness, no?
Yeah, I was their funder.
So I was the chairman of the Oversight Committee funding them, giving them all the money they needed so they loved me.
And I didn't ask for anything, just do a good job.
I didn't bother getting right into what they were actually doing.
I could have, but I didn't.
But I knew it was great.
So I said, okay, come over and see me.
Well, they brought the charts over.
And they rolled the charts out on my desk.
And the charts that they said to me, Congressman, what we were doing was we were involved in a top-secret program established by General Hugh Shelton, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, managed by General Schumacher of Special Forces Command.
And the operational leadership of this was at Fort Belvoir at the Land and Information Warfare Assessment Center, which you were funding.
There were about 20 of us.
All intelligence officers pulled from all the agencies.
We identified a year before 9-11 every cell of al-Qaeda worldwide by name and by photo.
They rolled those charts out on my desk.
I still have those charts.
I'm probably the only one in America that has the original charts.
They're not classified because I've shown them in public hearings.
I immediately took those charts down to the White House and I met with Steve Hadley.
I took two members of Congress with me just as witnesses.
I took Dan Burton.
Chairman of the Oversight Committee, and I took Chris Shays.
And I rolled the charts out on Hadley's desk.
And he said, where did you get these from?
I said, Steve, I've been telling you for almost a year that we needed this capability to deal and prevent another terrorist attack.
And you didn't do it.
He said, I've got to show these to the man.
I said, the man?
He said, the president.
I said, you mean the president doesn't know?
He said, no, I have no idea.
I gave him that set of charts, but I had other sets of charts.
And I left the White House and went back knowing that I could have prevented the attack that cost the life of one of my dear friends, Fire Chief Ray Alford, and 342 other firefighters, and 3,000 innocent people that were vaporized on 9-11, and thousands more.
And I swore that for the rest of my life, I was not going to allow the deep state, the bastards in the intelligence agency, to block what we knew to be needed.
I'm a very loyal, patriotic American.
I'm a firefighter by profession, a teacher, an educator.
I grew up in a family of nine.
I'm the youngest.
And all my brothers were served in the military.
I wanted to go to the Air Force Academy.
I had bad eyes.
I couldn't get a waiver.
So I devoted my life to the fire service.
And that's what I've done my whole life.
And so I was outraged and uncensed that we could have prevented 9-11.
And what I got...
The story you heard from Tony, and I've had Tony on many shows.
I had him on a podcast I did back in October of last year.
A couple of interesting things you should know.
Tony, when 9-11 happened, they disbanded the Able Danger team.
And by the way, I have the only manuscript for Able Danger.
I finished it in 2006. My lawyer said, if you publish it, they'll kill you.
I never published it.
I'm going to publish it this year.
Last July, I took a copy of the draft manuscript, Abel Danger, up to Chief John Esposito, the chief of New York Fire Department, who's a friend of mine.
And I sat with him for two hours.
I talked about 9-11.
I talked about the New York firefighters that died at 9-11 and those after.
And I handed him to John a copy of the manuscript, signed in honor of Ray Downing.
And I said, this is my tribute.
They all know Ray Downey up there because Ray's two sons.
One has his father's job as chief of rescue.
The other heads New York Fire Department training.
They're all American heroes.
And so the point is that the Able Danger team was doing their job.
I was funding them.
I had seen the capability.
We had the opportunity to put that in place.
The bureaucracy pushed us back.
Tony Schaefer, when I met with him, said, Kurt, we identified Mohammed Adah and the New York cell as a part of the five key cells of Al-Qaeda worldwide.
And they're on the charts I have.
If I come back to your show, I'll show you the charts.
And he said, we identified the linkages between Mohammed Adah, Bin Laden, and the other key cells of Al-Qaeda.
When Commander Scott Philpott came into my office, all separately, they didn't come in together, they came in separately, he told me the same story.
Scott's an Annapolis grad, a brave American, and he got all emotional because he told me that they'd also identified the people that eventually did the attack against, or they knew an attack was going to occur against our ship in the port of Adi Yemen, which was the attack on the coal.
Again, the bureaucracy failed, the military and people that were killed there.
But Tony said to me, Congressman, after I did my assignment, they put me back on regular duty.
I went back to Afghanistan where I was a spy.
Zelikow, who was named the executive director of the 9-11 Commission, took a delegation through Afghanistan asking if any military had any information that could be useful to the 9-11 Commission.
Tony Schaefer told his commanding general, I have information.
So he met with Zelikow in Afghanistan.
They exchanged business cards.
Tony told part of his story.
And Zelikow said, I need to meet with you when you get back to America.
When Tony Schaefer came back to America, his offices were all locked up.
All of his files were removed.
His security clearance was denied.
And they went after Tony Schaefer personally.
I did a one-hour floor speech on the House floor, which people can Google.
Those records are available publicly.
And I said, this is worse than Watergate.
It's a cover-up.
It's a scandal by the Defense Intelligence Agency to destroy an American hero because he was trying to tell the truth.
They made a witchcraft against Tony Schaefer because he was talking.
Hold on.
We've got to take a break.
That's a good place to stop because we've started to get into the 9-11 Commission.
And for those that don't understand, Zelikow was basically the face of this commission and, of course, had close ties to the Bush administration, had written a book with Condoleezza Rice.
So even before we delve into the rest...
of Able Danger and their connections.
I want to get into that commission and even how some people left that commission, including Max Cleland, who said this was a scam and that they were withholding documentation from not only the American people.
But the commissioners themselves.
We're going to take that break.
We're going to come back with Congressman Kurt Weldon.
Unmissable episode.
More Making Sense of the Madness after this.
Hey everybody, Jason Burmus here.
And it's with somewhat of a heavy heart that I come to you with the news that Making Sense of the Madness is changing and will hopefully be staying alive in some form.
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Thank you so much.
And we are back.
So let's talk a little bit about the 9-11 Commission out of the gates.
First of all, there's a ton of resistance for that commission.
Initially, they say that Henry Kissinger is the one that's going to be heading that up.
And by then, Kissinger's name wasn't the gold standard, if you will.
And pretty quickly, they had to move in a separate direction.
Many family members that were displeased that he was even on the table and where this commission was going.
And as I said, as the commission went on, people like Cleland stepped out and even stepped into the media and said, hey, this is a scam.
After the fact, I think it was New York Magazine and other mainstream outlets.
would admit that essentially this was a whitewash.
and kind of how we highlighted in that section of the able danger and fabled enemies, Schaefer says it best, you know, not talking about a program targeting Al-Qaeda that found all these people prior to 9-11 is somehow leaving out the Japanese from the Pearl Harbor attack in relation. not talking about a program targeting Al-Qaeda that found all
So I'd love for you to take it from there and then really get into not only how they go after Schaefer, these other individuals that stood by Schaefer as well. - Well, you're right.
The administration did not want the 9-11 commission.
And they tried to resist it, but Congress forced it, and it was put into place.
The Bush administration put Zelikow in to run it.
The Democrats put Jamie Gorelick on the commission to help control it.
The two of them steered the commission.
Jamie Gorelick was the lawyer for the Clinton Justice Department that wrote the famous firewall memo that said you cannot transfer military intelligence to civilian law enforcement.
That memo was put out in, I think, 1997, and that stopped any military intelligence legally from being transferred.
When she heard me come out...
She actually called my office in a frantic.
She was at the beach someplace, called my chief of staff, said, please tell the Congress.
I didn't do anything wrong.
Jamie Grellich and Zelikow, in my opinion, were the two people that steered it.
I have nothing against Lee Hamilton and Tom Kane, the two chairmen, but they didn't know.
I have other commission members that I know to this day.
The information was withheld from the commissioners.
The information was steered by the staff, and the staff controlled.
What they would get access to.
And I'll give you a couple of examples.
Tony Schaefer, when he, as I told you, they destroyed his career, he went in the reserves and continued the service to the country and decided to write his memoirs.
So he wrote his memoirs called Darkheart, which was published.
But before he published it as a normal protocol when you're in the military or intelligence, you asked your commanding officer to review it.
So he had his commanding general review his book, Darkheart, gave the okay.
Tony's publisher publishes the book, and the deep state finds out.
They issue a cease and desist order against Tony Schaefer's book, but it's already in publication.
So U.S. taxpayer money was used to buy all 10,000 first edition copies to destroy them.
So I had Tony on a podcast in October.
I'm going to tell you the response, and I got this back when I interviewed Tony right after this occurred.
I said, Tony, you have the original version that's not redacted and the redacted version.
Tell me, on the record, what did they want that was so sensitive in your book that they had to have redacted?
What was redacted, Tony?
The main thing they wanted redacted was Zelicale's name.
They did not want the people to know that Zelicale had been briefed by Tony Schaefer in his book.
Zelicale's name in the 9-11 Commission is not an intelligence item.
That needs to be redacted from a book.
That's the length they went to, to control and spin this whole story.
But it gets worse than that.
Because besides Tony's book, you need to get a book called Horse Soldiers.
If you haven't read this book, it's a New York Times bestseller.
The book was written, it also was made into a movie.
The book was written about General Keith Lambert.
General Lambert was our four-star general of our special forces that ride horses.
And a very well-recognized, distinguished man of integrity.
On page 27 of this book, you can read it yourself.
General Lambert is asked the question, General, when you were deployed overseas, 9-11 happened.
What was your response when 9-11 happened?
And the general says this, Within seconds, I knew who had done the attack, and I knew it involved a man named Ada.
Because I had been briefed on a top-secret Army intelligence program.
That's able danger.
So here is General Lambert verifying everything.
None of that's in the 9-11 Commission report.
The 9-11 Commission report was a cover-up.
A cover-up.
Tony Schaefer's group, and Tony went to high school with the girl that worked at the FBI that he talked to.
And he has her name.
Three times, they set up appointments to do a transition of information.
All three times, they were canceled at the last minute.
I don't believe they were canceled by the FBI. They were canceled by people within the deep state that did not want this information out for whatever reason.
The point is that the 9-11 Commission, on the intelligence side, failed.
I will take a polygraph.
Tony Schaefer will take a polygraph.
We have this material that I've given to you.
I have the charts, the documents.
I have the original al-Qaeda charts.
It's, in my opinion, outrageous that we hear, or we are, all these years later, still don't have the facts, but I'll be honest with you.
I could not, after what they did to my family and what they did to me, to silence me from what I was doing.
I was next in line to chair the Armed Services Committee.
After 10 terms, I would have been the chairman.
I had very positive support from both sides of the aisle.
Mueller, at the request of two deep state leaders, and this has been verified by Seymour Hersh, you know who Seymour Hersh is.
Sent agents to my daughter's house three weeks before my election in Philadelphia.
Seven o'clock in the morning.
They raided her home.
Cameras were there.
They alerted the press.
No one ever talked to my daughter, ever.
No one.
They did the damage.
The damage was to create a story that went nationwide.
Congressman's wife, well, a daughter is under investigation.
Maybe they did something wrong.
No.
Nothing.
Zero.
The deep state that's going after Trump is not new.
It started back in 2006 when they raided my daughter's house.
But it gets worse than that.
The same day they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my county, a Democrat.
They didn't bother to check when that lawyer Sklamburg, who cut the plea bargain for Sandy Berger, sent the agents to my daughter's house.
We've got to stop right there because that will go over people's head.
For those that don't know, Sandy Berger was actually caught stuffing classified documents regarding 9-11 into his pants, and he barely got a slap on the wrist when caught, and most people aren't even aware of that.
So this guy was smuggling out documentation that would give the slightest bad look on this intelligence apparatus.
On behalf of them, it was barely a story.
Continue.
Sandy Berger was Clinton's security advisor.
I was his worst enemy.
He was the one that arranged the retroactive waiver for the CEO of Loral Corporation, Bernie Schwartz, in the 1996 era.
After Loral had already transferred state separation technology to China, Sandy Berger arranged a retroactive presidential waiver, which is unconscionable.
So that gave them the long-range missile technology they have today.
But then, as you point out, as I was about to say, Sandy Berger got into the archives right before the 9-11 Commission was going to call him to testify.
And he sat on the top floor and stole five documents, all highly classified pre-9-11 intelligence documents.
He stuffed those documents inside his clothing, left the room.
He was called by the inspector general for the archives and said, Mr. Berger, did you take anything while you were here?
And he said, no, he lied.
That's a felony.
Lying to a federal agent.
He said, we have you on footage.
So he hired one of Clinton's lawyers, and they cut a plea bargain.
He pled guilty to 11 felonies.
11 felonies.
Stealing five documents, destroying five documents, and lying to a federal agent.
He pled that to one misdemeanor.
No jail time.
He lost a security clearance for one year, and then he leaves and forms a company called Stonebridge, representing Chinese corporations.
I did a one-hour special order calling Sandy Berger a traitor.
And his staffer was assigned in my last campaign.
He was my biggest nemesis to get me lost and the run-up to the three weeks before my election getting me out because they knew I would convene hearings.
I would have done hearings with unlimited subpoena power on all of this.
On Berger, on 9-11, on Zelikow, on the Department of...
All of this, I would have...
And they knew that.
They had to get me out.
So the problem is that we don't know the full facts of what occurred on 9-11.
And we do know, and I have no problem saying this, and I'll say it under oath, that they covered up the pre-9-11 intelligence.
Now we have a very distinguished general saying in his book that no one's refuted.
When the 9-11 Commission was paneled, I tried to go over there as a witness.
Now, I'm representing all the firefighters in the country.
343 firefighters were incinerated.
I was the only member of Congress that was a 93 attack.
I was there on the ground.
They wouldn't let me testify before the commission.
And I went to, when they finally gave the report, it was in the main room of the Cannon building, and Lee Hamilton and Tom Kane were up at the front, and they're good people.
And I said, I was the first, I've got their role, and I said, I want to ask the first question.
I said, you know, I represent all the firefighters in the country.
I'm a former fire chief.
I was at the Trade Center in 93. I created the Gilmore Commission.
Why would you not want to hear from me?
Why?
Well, Congressman, you know, we had a lot of people that wanted to testify.
They did not want me to tell the story about 93, about the Gilmore Commission, about the able danger, about all the stuff that I knew because they didn't want it included in the report.
Now, all of that happened.
Now, the big story that you've been investigating is why did all this happen, and what's the bigger underneath reason why this occurred?
And that's still, there are tons of things that have not been addressed there yet, and that's why there's got to be a presidential commission.
It cannot be a commission of members of Congress.
And look, I was a member for 20 years.
It's got to be people that have no ties politically.
It's got to be professional people, engineers, firefighters that want to get to the truth.
And I'll tell you, when the truth comes out, the country is going to shake like wild.
Congressman, first of all, I couldn't agree more.
I feel like 9-11 is that issue because our entire foreign and domestic policy changed radically based on the narrative that they sold us.
On 9-11.
We've got to take another break.
When we come back, I do want to talk about some of that pre-9-11 intelligence, especially involving Atta.
You're not going to want to miss it.
More Making Sense of the Madness after this.
Hey everybody, Jason Burmus here.
And it's with somewhat of a heavy heart that I come to you with the news that Making Sense of the Madness is changing.
And will hopefully be staying alive in some form.
If you followed my work, you know that I've always said I am extremely lucky whenever I have a paid gig.
Well, after three years, I no longer have any paid gigs.
So when you look at Making Sense of the Madness, the format is going to change where you're going to be able to watch a more commentary-driven show live.
On my socials, YouTube, Rumble, Rockfin, and X first, and live, and then it will be carried by Patriot.tv.
Now, unfortunately, this is going to mean that some of the very high-caliber guests that I've gotten in the past will no longer be joining us, and once again, the format is changing.
We are hoping that there is somebody out there that wants to sponsor the show and bring it back until it's full form.
But until then, please consider the links down below if you're watching this live or over on my socials.
Thank you so much.
And we are back with Congressman Kurt Weldon.
Again, an amazing episode so far, sir.
So you mentioned Seymour Hersh, and we've been talking about...
And in my film, Fabled Enemies, there's a section there where James Woods, the actor, discusses getting on a plane in August out of New York where he and another woman were so heavily suspicious that the plane was going to be hijacked that they contacted a stewardess who then contacted the pilot and they all kept an eye on them and then he actually Held his metal knife
that was given.
He was in first class.
He was so worried about it.
They all made reports after the fact.
It absolutely got to the FBI. And the reason that I bring up Seymour Hersh is because in 2018, basically we had this on the record from his story on O'Reilly, where he didn't name Ada or who he thought the other hijacker was, etc., out of the four people.
However...
In 2018, there was a trove of documents dumped online from the hacker group Dark Overlord.
And in one of the lawsuits from one of the 9-11 widows, he actually took the stand.
And he named that Atta was in fact one of them.
I believe the other one was supposedly the lead hijacker of 175, Nawaf Al-Hamzi.
They weren't supposed to be in the same unit.
Now what's really alarming about all of this, The FBI knew.
Seymour Hersh, in his testimony, said that he had confirmed that the FBI had taken it seriously prior.
By the way, they showed up to his door after he contacted them on the morning of 9-11 and let him know that he was on this flight.
So we had all these reports, and again, it seemed like Ada was protected.
Again, in the film, Fabled Enemies, I showed that Deborah Albritton had called the CIA. On her neighbor, who was one of the hijackers, and they did nothing there as well.
This seems to be the norm again and again and again that at least some of these people were protected at the highest levels.
The al-Bayoumi story has now gotten out there into the mainstream, but this wasn't really new.
Again, it's something I reported on.
It's been confirmed to me through FBI friends at the highest level.
Two of the terrorists in our level were on the CIA payroll.
Two of them.
Again, when you look at that, you've had people like Richard Clark come out, talk about al-Bayoumi.
We certainly have the Saudi funding.
If you believe...
The bin Laden stories, there's a lot more connections to Pakistan than there are on the named places of war on terror, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
Especially when you talk about the funding prior to 9-11 with General Mahmoud Ahmed out of the ISI. And when you talk about the Central Intelligence Agency, the ISI, the CIA, MI6, they've kind of worked hand-in-hand since the 70s.
I also put that in there.
And the Mujahideen bin Laden network in Russia.
You talk about a commission.
What can we expect?
After your Firebrand interview on Jimmy Dore, which I suggest everybody go check out, Anthony Schaefer actually posted on his social media that there would be more coming regarding not only able danger, but other disclosures regarding U.S. government wrongdoing.
What do you think those disclosures will be?
What is the process?
And again, With 9-11 in particular, look, I want the assassination stuff.
I know people are fever-driven about the Epstein stuff.
All stuff I've covered in the last 20-plus years of me doing this, and I think it's important.
9-11's the crux.
It really is.
Yeah, I agree with that because it really kind of kicked things.
I saw all this begin to happen in the 90s.
It happened under the Clintons.
And I started, I was on the Cox Commission that was established by the Congress to investigate what they alleged was China theft of technology from the US.
I was one of nine.
I was the only non-committee chairman on the commission.
We met behind closed doors for six months.
Our report was nine to zero.
Our security was severely harmed.
It wasn't stolen.
Our technology was auctioned off by the Clinton administration.
And hold on.
Are you talking about the promise and carnivore software, the scandals with, say, Robert Maxwell selling that off?
All the scandals involving, and I have charts on this that I can show you, in the 90s, the Clinton administration, you know, in one year alone, 1996, they allowed four Chinese nationals who were raising funds for the Clinton-Gore campaign, the Democratic National Party, to get entered into the White House 60 times.
John Wong, James Riotti, they all got into the White House.
You couldn't get into the White House 60 times.
They did.
The charts show the linkages.
Where Chinese front companies were used to establish networks to use campaign funds to basically get access to our technology.
I gave you the story of Bernie Schwartz and Lurau Corporation, where Sandy Berger arranged a retroactive presidential waiver.
There were waivers given for violations of arm control agreements.
There were waivers given for transfers of technology.
All that started in the 90s.
And I couldn't even rely on the intelligence agency for...
Information I felt was reliable, and I was the vice chairman of the committee, so I formed my own intel team.
There's a group in Washington that members had staffers attend called the Cockroaches, and they were basically ex-military people who worked for the CIA, DIA, NSA, FBI. They would meet for drinks or have dinner, and I got to know a lot of them, and they were very little patriotic Americans, and they were also very concerned about the spin being placed on U.S. intelligence.
To the Congress, from the agency.
So I established a loose-knit team of about 20 that would come and meet with me for breakfast in the member's dining room of the Capitol once a week, and they would feed me raw data.
Then I would use that raw data to go to classified briefings and ask questions of the CIA and see what their response was.
They're not knowing where I'm getting my information from.
That's how I found out about Bin Laden.
I mean, it wasn't like I had some, you know, magical capability.
I got it from people that were getting it from our raw data that was coming to our agencies that wasn't being given to the Congress.
And that's another whole story I'll talk to you about on the show is how I know where bin Laden was after 9-11.
He wasn't in Afghanistan.
He was not there.
And the U.S. placed him where they placed him and arranged it, which was in Iran.
He was in Balochistan.
He was allowed to roam in Baluchistan, and the quid pro quo was he could stay there as long as al-Qaeda didn't attack the U.S. on our soil.
And that deal wasn't cut with the Iranian government.
It wasn't cut with Ahmadinejad.
The deal was cut with Soleimani and the IRG. And the ties between the IRG and our intelligence agencies are obvious.
You know, when the Shah was in power, the U.S. and Iran were good friends.
The people, we trained their intelligence agencies.
Well, when the Shah left, the intelligence agency in Iran didn't change.
They stayed the same.
So this connection stayed the same.
And what I'm telling you is, and I have the 10 silver bullets to verify this and prove this, the U.S. facilitated the placement of Osama bin Laden in Iran in Balochistan post-9-11.
So can I just get a timeline there?
because there is that January 2002 report from CBS and Dan Rather, where they go to the hospital in Rawapindi, Pakistan, and actually talk to some of the staff.
And they claim that Osama bin Laden is there on the eve of 9-11, 9-10, getting dialysis and being protected by the Pakistani military.
Do you believe that that could be the case?
And then in short order, they cut deals to bring him to Iran?
I don't know the exact timeline of his placement line.
I can tell you this.
Sometime after 9-11, and I started because of my absolute outrage over what happened at 9-11 and the fact that we could have prevented that, which, by the way, Louis Free wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal supporting me, and he also went on Good Morning America, saying the 9-11 Commission did not do its job because they tried to blame him because he had left the FBI in, like, 2000. But I got raw intelligence fed to me that bin Laden was a town called Nadiz.
I didn't know where Ladiz was, so I walked up the street in Pennsylvania Avenue one evening, and I bought a map.
I came back, and I found Ladiz 10 kilometers inside the border of Pakistan in Iran, in Balochistan.
So I went to the classified briefing for the full committee.
I was the acting chairman.
50 members of the committee were in a classified setting, and I said, I have information that Bin Laden's been cited in a town called Ladiz.
And the response to me was, Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports.
We could either confirm or deny them.
No denial.
We've heard similar reports.
Three months later, I get raw intelligence that he's being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran.
I go back and I ask the question.
I get the same response.
We've heard similar reports.
We can either confirm or deny them.
Then I get, and this is all taking place probably 2002 in that time frame, I get a request from the Interior Department that they want to...
Number one falconer in the world, head of the Falcon Association, wants to meet with me.
So I didn't think that was unusual because I was a Republican member of the House on the Migratory Bird Commission that oversees our flyways.
John Dingell was a Democrat, two senators and three cabinet members.
I said, okay, bring him in.
So this resident of Maine, U.S. citizen, who's a Sikh, comes into my office.
He's a very wealthy family.
He's got two falcons on his shoulders, million-dollar birds.
I said, boy, they're beautiful birds.
You know, how can I help you?
He said, well, Congressman, I'm from a wealthy family.
Headed up the International Falconry Association my whole life, and I've worked to protect falcons through the UN and the UN Falconry Protection Agreements.
And he said, I worked in all the base camps of all the royal families in the Middle East.
He said, I trained their children in the sport of falconry.
And he said, so I well-received throughout the U.S. And I said, okay, what do you need me to do?
He said, I need you to help me get to Iran.
I said, why do you want to go to Iran?
He said, that's where Bin Laden is.
I said, why would you say that?
He said, my falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran.
And Iran will accept me because I travel there a lot.
You help me get there, I'll tag his birds, and I'll take the U.S. exactly to where he is.
Now, he knew nothing about my briefings.
And I said, well, I'm sorry, but I'm in the middle of another big battle right now.
I can't get you into Iran.
And what year is this taking place?
Well, they wanted to do a film with me after I was taken out of Congress.
He came back to me and he was working with Michael Scheuer.
Michael was the CIA Bin Laden Task Force Director.
So are we talking around 2007, 2008-ish?
No, no, no.
This is when I was in Congress.
You're still in Congress.
It always happened when I was in Congress.
So is this prior to the Iraq invasion or post-Iraq?
Oh, yeah.
This would have all been in the range of 2002, 2003, 2004, in that range.
All in that time.
All when I was in Congress.
Congressman, we've got to take one final break.
This is riveting.
You're hearing a lot of stuff you're not going to hear in the mainstream for the first time.
Final segment of the show after this.
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And we are back with Congressman Kurt Weldon.
We've got about eight minutes left in the broadcast.
So I certainly want you to hit on anything else out there that you think that we should hone in on.
But when you speak of bin Laden and his Falcons, I think they, again, because people don't really have the cursory information surrounding bin Laden, Number one, he's not just a royal billionaire.
He's somebody whose family has also been in business with families like the Bushes for a very, very long time.
And as I alluded to, Before, that Mujahideen Muslim Brotherhood network worked with U.S. intelligence and the Brzezinskis of the world when Russia was the big enemy.
Rambo III, they were the freedom fighters, folks.
You know, it wasn't until almost the post-Russia hype, when Russia was acceptable, that the new threat was this Middle Eastern terrorism that we started to see pop up.
So what are your thoughts on bin Laden?
Because there is a lot of spooky stuff out there.
In fact, there is documentation out there, I think Ted Gunderson's the one who put it out years ago, that supposedly when he was a CIA asset coming to the United States, his name was Tim Osman.
Is that real?
And again, what are your thoughts on this guy?
Okay, I can't verify that.
The things I'm telling you, I can verify every one of them.
I've given you three.
I have ten silver bullets about bin Laden.
The fourth one is actually from a Democrat.
The most respected Democrat in the House when I served was Jack Murtha, who was the Chairman of Defense Appropriations from Pittsburgh.
And he worked with me regularly, especially to do investigations, because I'm a meticulous person for detail.
And he sent over Ron Klink.
Ron Klink is still alive.
He was a KDKA TV producer, TV star in Pittsburgh.
And he said, go to Kurt because Ron had information about Iran and some sources that he wanted investigated.
And he said, Kurt will do an investigation.
So Ron came over and told me about a person that came to him with information about Iran.
I said, okay, have the guy come in.
So the guy came in from the Midwest.
I still have his contact information.
Tall, six foot, five inch guy.
And he said, I was a NOC for the agency.
A NOC is a person that works for the agency that they will never acknowledge works for the agency.
And he said, I said, well, how can I help you?
He said, well, Congressman, he said, I asked Congressman Klink to help me and I'm now coming to you because he steered me to you.
He said, I wanted you to help me get into Iran.
I said, why do you want to go to Iran?
He said, well, that's where bin Laden is.
I said, well, why would you say that?
He said, because I worked that part of the world for the agency.
And he said, I know that's where he is.
He said, and I know there's a $25 million reward.
And he said, if you help me get into Tehran, I'll leave my ID there, and I'll bring back bin Laden, either dead or alive.
I said, well, you know, that's the fourth silver bullet I have.
I told you that the head of bin Laden task force in the CIA, Michael Sawyer, and General McInerney both called me.
They wanted to do a film with me after I left St. Louis about this whole story.
Then I have sources from two royal families that I was close to.
And I asked them the specific question, and both of them acknowledged to me that they knew that bin Laden was in Iran.
Then I have the ultimate source, the U.S. asset that was in the room when the deal was cut.
The deal was not cut with Ahmadinejad.
The deal was cut with Soleimani.
A deal was cut with Soleimani, the head of the IRG. The Iranian government knew nothing about it to place bin Laden in Balochistan to roam there.
When Ahmadinejad found out that he was in Iran, That's when they kicked him over to Pakistan and got him out of the country.
And actually, the falconer from Maine was going up to the UN office of Iran because they had no embassy here.
And he was constantly pestering them about, why are you harboring bin Laden?
And they would say, you're crazy.
We'd never have that man in our country.
But they would constantly go back and say, hey, this is being asked of us.
Ahmadinejad came over to give a speech at the UN. And George Stephanopoulos, You know who he is.
The Birdman got him to ask the question, kind of jokingly, hey, we understand that you're harboring bin Laden.
And Ahmadinejad went back to Iran, and that's when they found out that was where he was and kicked him over to Pakistan, and the rest is history.
Do I think bin Laden was there?
Absolutely, 100%.
Do I think it was a cover-up?
Absolutely, 100%.
Do I think our agency was involved?
100%.
Do I think anyone's willing to take on and investigate?
No.
And that's the problem.
I would not come out and speak because the Bush administration, Bush Sr. was a big supporter of mine.
In fact, when I wrote my book, Taking on the CIA in 2005, I don't know whether you're aware of it or not, but I wrote this book, Countdown of the Terror, about Iran, Taking on the CIA. Jim Woolsey endorsed that book, and he was former CIA director.
And I said, if we don't come to understand the problem with Iran, we're going to end up with a war with them.
So the problem is that we've not had the members of Congress who have the protection to ask the tough questions.
And the agency would rather have members fight with each other over stupid things and yell at each other than really worry about the serious things affecting our country.
And to be honest with you, I couldn't trust anything under Obama.
And I couldn't trust, even though I know Joe Biden very well and grew up in a town next to him.
And he came to my son's funeral as vice president and stood in line for an hour.
I knew the people under Joe, he couldn't control.
With Trump, when he got rid of the security clearance for the 51, it's a different story.
Now, I would tell you, the biggest risk for Trump right now is his personal safety.
They're not going to lay down easily.
These people, and they have tentacles all over.
I don't care who knows.
I know what they did to me.
They took on my family.
For no reason.
And that's not America.
I never wish, and I don't have any big money, and I can name you CIA former employees who are filthy rich, who have big bank accounts, who made tons of money.
The Clintons who are scumbags, who made tons of money.
That's the problem with America.
You know, 200 years ago we had patriots who cut their guns out and fought against oppression.
Now it's time for patriots to stand up and use their voices, to speak out.
And if we don't do that, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
These are all cliques of control that think they can manipulate and not be held accountable.
They kill people.
I watched the film, you know, being a firefighter, I watched the film that was put out in 2020 by firefighters called Bravo 7. It has the voice of one of the most respected battalion chiefs in New York, Oriel Palmer.
Three kids.
He goes into the tower.
Takes the elevator.
Got the elevator working up to the 40th floor with his unit.
Gets off the elevator.
Climbs 38 floors up the stair tower.
Gets out of the stair tower.
Arrives on the floor where the plane hit.
And you can hear him say as clear as day, I'm here.
My crew's here.
We've got two fires.
We can handle them.
A minute later, the building collapses.
That's not America.
I'm a fire chief.
That didn't happen by accident.
A firefighter, a battalion chief, doesn't arrive on the 78th floor and say, I've got the fire where I can handle it, and this tower collapses.
Congressman Weldon, we could do another hour on that subject matter alone.
This has been a pleasure.
I wish I had more time with you.
I want everybody to go check out KurtWeldon.com, KurtWeldon.com, as well as a couple of those books, Countdown to Terror and Awakening the Sleeping Giant, both available on Amazon.
Once again, sir, it has been an absolute pleasure.
And if you are releasing that book, I want to be the first person, not only to get a copy, but to get you on.
Go ahead.
One other book you should book.
I did this book last summer to show you it's a bipartisan.
Jill Long was a very respected Democrat from Indiana.
She contacted me and wrote this book published by University Press of how the Congress needs to work together because she considered me one of those members to work across the aisle.
I was one of like 15 members who wrote a chapter in this book.
My chapter is on public safety.
There are members who want to do the right thing.
This is not a Republican versus Democrat issue.
This is an American issue versus deep state bureaucrats taking care of themselves, making money for themselves, and in the process, killing innocent people.
That's wrong.
Couldn't agree more.
Folks, you know the drill with me.
It's never about left or right.
It is always about right and wrong.
I want to thank you for joining me here on Patriot.TV, where the truth lives.
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