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Feb. 24, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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From HIV To COVID1984 A PSYOP Journey
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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
We've got a great show lined up for you today.
We've got the co-author of Sacrifice, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most Vulnerable.
And we're going to go beyond the COVID-1984 nightmare into the origins of HIV, AIDS, and the research surrounding that.
We've got Celia Farber.
You're not going to want to miss it.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness And we are back We are joined by Celia Farber once again.
The book is Sacrifice, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most Vulnerable.
Now, before we get to your work on this, let's get into how you get involved into this arena of, I would say, what becomes biomedical tyranny on a global level.
Mass deception, mass profits, the subjugation of the general populace on behalf of what, unfortunately, due to my research, is a pretty dark agenda.
Please take us back, first of all, when you started questioning things all the way back in the HIV-AIDS era.
Yeah.
First of all, thank you for having me.
Great to be here and good to talk to you.
I jumped in.
I don't know if it was a fluke or what possessed me.
I had just moved back to the United States from having grown up in Sweden, though I lived in the States as a child before moving to Sweden.
And it was the 80s, and AIDS terror, HIV terror, was running wild.
And I wanted to be a journalist.
I wanted to be an investigative journalist.
I jumped in on that story and in my very first jumping in on that story, I was an intern at Spin Magazine at the time and I kept writing memos about what I was finding and hearing.
You know, I was running around Greenwich Village listening to everything and everybody, and I very quickly wound up on the wrong side of the tracks or the right side of the tracks, but the alternative contrarian viewpoints about AIDS, HIV, was HIV the cause?
Was HIV, had it been proven to be the cause?
Was Gallo a crook?
Was Fauci a crook?
And it was a very, I'm going to say, painful and Vicious, vicious debate, right?
So we had a few people that you had actually a very elite cadre of scientists who went against it.
And I had them all to myself at the time.
I would go, including Carrie Mullis, who invented PCR, not the PCR test, but PCR itself.
You had very esteemed scientists who went up against it.
And then you had a solid wall.
Kind of like today, mass media.
So there was a war that broke out that not many people know about, about the cause or causes of AIDS. The treatments for AIDS were very much a prequel to COVID. Were the treatments killing people?
Was the government killing people?
Was Fauci killing people?
A fascinating but dark story.
And I jumped into it feet first as a very young journalist with aspirations to be an investigative reporter.
And I just thought it was a fascinating story.
And I went straight to the contrarian scientists, those who were saying HIV is not the cause of AIDS. I thought it was...
Just fascinating that the whole world was saying they had found the AIDS virus.
Robert Gallo had found the AIDS virus.
Yet when you looked at the scientists who were saying not so fast, they didn't prove anything.
A retrovirus can't cause cell death.
This is crazy stuff.
Those scientists, without exception, were the top, the elite.
I would call them the real scientists.
So I stayed on the story.
It became more and more, as you can imagine, turbulent, violent.
I have countless horror stories about what became of me, my life, my career, and so forth.
But I survived.
I wound up publishing a big piece in Harper's Magazine in 2006 that brought to...
I would say fruition pretty much all of my research, and that was the most damning and carefully documented article I wrote.
So that article caused the HIV establishment to go nuclear, and they knocked me out of the field.
You know how they can do.
First of all, all the way back in the Spin Magazine days, for those that don't...
Remember, that was kind of the alternative to the Rolling Stone.
I remember those were the type of magazine covers that were on my wall in high school and college dorm and that type of thing.
And those were the type of magazines I actually read the news pieces on.
So you get involved in this era again where...
It wasn't until much later on I questioned HIV in any manner, you know, in 19, I think it was 90, it was either 94 or 96, I think 96, they gave Dr. David Ho the Time Man of the Year Award for coming up with this.
Yeah, I know that.
Most people don't know that history, yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, we had, I was in the AP classes, but we had...
Time Magazine and Newsweek every week in the back.
So that was always a story that was big because in my generation, you not only had the Magic Johnson story, who even up until that point was doing okay when previously, you know, another athlete who got HIV, Arthur Ashe, died pretty quickly.
And also the big thing was Ryan White.
And that was to, you know, my generation, again, I was a kid, and they're rolling out this kid that somehow got HIV-AIDS. Now, both of these people were hemophiliacs, coincidentally.
A lot of people posited that they may have gotten it through a blood transfusion, but later on, we find out that Bayer had a drug called Factor VIII, which was an injectable, which later on, again, they got caught with quote-unquote live HIV virus in that.
Now, my question would be, Again, because I've watched House of Numbers.
I've heard these contrarians.
There's also the school of thought that what they claim is HIV also matches a bioweapons patent of the U.S. military previously.
There's that school of thought.
One, I get the idea that HIV is a varying thing in different areas of the world.
A lot of people don't get that.
I get that the test is white blood cells, not for a virus.
Some with a questionnaire, but for somebody like an Ash or somebody like a Ryan White to get that virus, is it an injectable bioweapon as well on top of it?
Do we have a varying degree of things that HIV or AIDS is?
What has your research shown you?
I hope my answer is not...
A disappointment to you, but I don't feel that I ever got totally to the center of the labyrinth about what was the cause or the complete set of causes of AIDS. What I can say categorically is that Robert Gallows, which you know already, Robert Gallows' HIV theory was baseless, preposterous, born from scientific fraud.
I mean, fraud.
If anybody's interested who's listening to this and you want to really get all the details about how Gallo committed this fraud, the book I recommend is called, there's a lot in my book, but the real forensics about how Gallo did what he did is in a book called Fear of the Invisible by Janine Roberts.
But what happened was, you see, the test, as with COVID, the so-called HIV test, Put people in a framework where they were told they were going to die, where their doctors believed that now they're on this AIDS train, right?
We're going to give you this, that, and the other very toxic, deadly medication.
So now you're muddying the waters.
The person is getting sick.
Is it AIDS? Is it the drugs?
Is it the terror?
The terror alone cannot be over-exaggerated.
For anybody who did not live through it, people, like a form of voodoo, you know, it was like, there's a phrase called death making, and it's actually a real thing that there was a psychiatrist who opposed it in the 1960s and 70s, where the industry is actually set up to push people toward death, to make them think.
They're going to die.
They're already dying.
So you have a muddle with HIV-AIDS. Wait, just like the COVID-1984 nightmare on a global scale?
Exactly.
So I don't know if this was their practice run.
Some have said it was the prequel to COVID. I mean, you can put one on top of the other and they fit perfectly.
We expanded it infinitely more with COVID, but at the same time, with AIDS, it was very difficult to get out of the net.
If somebody tested positive, and you know so much about this already, even if they could see through and read the dissident science, I feel like with AIDS, the death knell from the sort of...
The psychological click in your brain.
The sorcery that went into that particular psyop was...
Really profound.
And people didn't have, now we all have each other.
We see, right, there's so much.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous.
That's not true.
That's not true.
So we're all seeing together now.
And let me stop you right there because I think that's important.
In the late 80s, early 90s, pre-internet era, the only place that you would get some kind of a dissident voice is if you were part of a newsletter group or you were going to some type of very obscure talks.
period that would be kind of church driven, right?
Those are the only people, they would call them the quote unquote far right.
But really the people that were maybe subscribed to the Ron Paul newsletter are the kind of people that would have even been aware of this stuff.
And people like myself that literally grew up on the mainstream, you know, another thing I guess this generation doesn't really realize pre-internet.
You know, for me, I started out with four channels.
You know this.
There was four channels on TV. It went to 12. By the time I was in college, we had DVR boxes in about 60 to 100, maybe.
But even there, unless you were really looking for stuff on the internet in the late 90s, early 2000s, and that's where I did kind of start to stumble onto it, you wouldn't have found it.
There was no YouTube.
If you came across a video, it was usually a presentation of one of these people at a podium in front of a screen telling you that and it was in, you know, a real media format on a dial-up modem to get a 46 megabyte file that took you three hours if you were lucky.
Exactly.
So we're talking about every type of obstacle.
I mean, there are still people today who tell me they're not tech savvy where everything is at the tip of your fingers and there is so much resistance.
So, at the end of the day, this thing is still out there.
You know, before we even get to COVID-1984, prior to that nightmare, when I would go to bed at night, I'd always watch things like the History Channel, that guy into being the Alien Channel, but all these other channels that actually were derivatives.
I think the Military Channel, that would give me some World War II stuff.
The commercials again and again and again.
We're Truvada, K-Truda, all this HIV prep stuff where they want – and I mean it continues to this day where they're still selling the prep drugs.
And now it's largely accepted.
It's the quote-unquote homosexual community.
And I was in – I was with my buddy Sam Tripoli.
I believe he was playing a gig in Chicago and he brought this gay LA comic on and we got into HIV and all this other stuff.
And he's like to this day, you know, he's like, well, you know, our community doesn't really get it because they're on the prep drugs.
And I'm thinking in my head, you know, so they're still selling pharmaceuticals based on the HIV narrative.
And there still is massive pushback to the idea HIV may not cause AIDS or that this virus, you know, there's that whole crowd out there that don't think any virus exists.
And, you know, quote-unquote terrain theory.
How do you kind of navigate those obstacles?
And the fact, again, we are in 2025, and there's an entire industry behind these drugs now.
Well, that's really interesting that you, that anecdote there that you shared, because the hardest thing we were up against was actually the gay community at that time and the activist community, which were, you know, part and parcel of the same.
And they were so...
With some exceptions, all of whom were like my friends and my sources, but they were religiously militantly into, let's call it better living through chemistry.
Like there was no chemical they thought a human body should avoid.
They were very pro.
Do you get what I'm saying?
I was like, the culture was just very, give us more drugs faster with less time, less oversight from the FDA, give us more, more, more, more drugs.
And that was a, I feel like the biggest problem is always the zeitgeist, the ideology.
It was a ferocious ideology, like you see throughout history when history explodes into what we in hindsight call lunacy.
Fascism and communism.
And so it's because there's like a mass psychosis.
So the mass psychosis of that time was, it came from, it's like, so there's Stonewall after Stonewall.
You see gay men actually, on the one hand, the narrative says that they were marginalized and pushed out.
And that's true.
But on the other hand, they start to get this extraordinary seat at the table.
And then you have people like Larry Kramer.
I mean, these guys were powerful.
And they teamed up with Fauci.
They sort of beat him up in the beginning for not approving enough drugs or fast enough.
And then there was like a big...
Some sort of peace accord, so to speak.
And now he brings them to the table.
And what happens there is these activists and they were, I mean, these guys were scary.
They were militant.
They could get rid of anybody.
Cancel it.
Not just, you didn't just lose your job.
You lost your career.
You lost your whole economy.
You know, your sanity.
You know what?
Let's stop there because we've got to take a break.
But that's a great point to make.
You know, one of the things that I don't like about this term cancel culture is what are you talking about?
It's been going on forever if you talk about the wrong thing.
You know, I mean, we go all the way back, you know, to Lutheran times, right?
Where, you know, those people were subjugated.
I mean, throughout history and really HIV, 9-11, there are a plethora of topics.
Even you go back as far as the JFK. That will make you a pariah, right?
Where like...
To this day, if you ask AI about myself, in the first couple of sentences, they'll try to associate me with Sandy Hook, which is something that I never latched onto, just to discredit me on my other work.
Or, for instance, on 9-11, I forget which AI it was.
It may have been Grok, which is supposed to be the good one.
It said that I just said that people didn't exist.
That people didn't exist.
That I had made up that I had said certain people didn't exist.
So I pressed it.
Can you give me an example?
And for questioning what happened on Flight 93, and I never have questioned who was on it or why, they said they had to apologize to me.
And basically after like three threads, say, I guess I did make that up.
So you can't, I mean...
That's how far the narrative has pierced.
You should go try it, even on your work.
I bet you are demonized within the first two to three sentences.
I'm scared.
I don't want to.
I've never read my Wikipedia page.
Well, no Wikipedia, because you want to garner everything, because this thing basically will surf the entire net.
All of them will.
To see what narratives.
And then you've got to press it further.
We've had fun with Grok and other AIs like ChatGPT on the program.
Are you saying you can talk back to it and it will apologize to you?
100%.
Within the first couple prompts.
I have it documented.
We do it live.
What?
It will correct what was wrong.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It will purposely also leave out parts that it doesn't want to tell you.
And then you'll say, hey, why did you leave this out?
Oh, my apology.
It tries to be polite while it's literally bending you over and giving you the business.
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So, Celia, you know, this larger issue of mass psyops...
On the population.
Just like cancel culture is not new, that's not new either.
One of the great things about this country is despite the massive censorship, demonization, etc., sometimes they'll even go after you legally, the truth somehow does seep through, even if it is to the minority.
By the time you get to COVID, there are enough people out there.
We've now gone through the Trump era, which love the guy or hate the guy.
It brought a lot of people around to the fact, hey, wait, the news is fake.
The military-industrial complex is real.
I think a lot of people went off the deep end because...
They found out too much too soon.
They bought into the QAnon sense.
They started talking about super secret squirrel white hats that were going to save us all.
Trusting plans.
And that's just not the way the world works.
Unfortunately, even up until this day, this very interview, there are bureaucracies that have been created in this military industrial complex that go very deep.
Not only into our government, but the pharmaceutical industry, the education industry, the academia department.
You name it, they're there.
And you start seeing some of these guys for the very first time as visible ghouls like Anthony Fauci, like Francis Collins, etc.
Like Bill Gates even.
I mean, we can go there.
But when COVID first starts...
What are your initial thoughts?
Because for me, at the very beginning, when it starts getting reported in January in China, I think to myself, still not going to make it here.
I lived through the bird flu, the piggy flu.
I thought they were going to try to hype train it, weren't going to be able to get it off.
By February, I was singing a very different tune.
By the end of February, I knew they were going to start lockdowns eventually.
By mid-March, it starts rolling out.
I live in New York.
I'm starting seeing it firsthand.
When did the alarm bells go off for you that not only were we going to have this mass authoritarian, almost martial law-like program in our country and globally, but the only solution was going to be a quote-unquote vaccine?
The truth is...
My post-traumatic stress disorder, such as it is, gave me a very strong alarm signal as soon as I saw the first headline of 44 novel pneumonias in Wuhan, China.
And I thought, I felt it.
It's this...
I've come to recognize very readily a feeling of evil, and it's from these people, and I know them very well.
And the evil I felt from that, or the anxiety I got from those original headlines, was why are we reading about 44 or any number of pneumonias in China?
We don't get news about who has pneumonia in China.
So I knew.
They're doing it.
They're launching.
They're up to something.
So I couldn't have dreamed, you know, the beast that was about to pounce.
But I did have an immediate feeling of anxiety, and I called my friend and colleague, Dr. David Rasnick, who's an early HIV dissent, and I said, Dave, look at this.
I think they're actually going to launch a...
I think they're launching...
Something nefarious here.
And he said, oh, that coronavirus, those are cold viruses.
They patented those in the 60s.
I said, no, I don't mean, I mean, even we, after everything we've been through, we still think from these two different, you know, I said, Dave, I don't mean it's real.
I don't mean, but they don't need anything to be real.
I mean, they're doing foreshadowing.
You know, I think it was.
Probably Chekhov wrote, if there's a gun, no, if there's a rifle on the wall in Act 1, it will go off in Act 3. So no accidents with the media.
That headline gave me an anxiety attack.
And it wasn't one headline, it was several.
And I said, okay, we're hours or at most days away from them telling us the first case has been identified in the United States.
And sure enough, and then I knew we were in for it.
So let's talk about that rollout and kind of the authoritarian nature because, you know, again, I think this shows Trump's blind spots, right?
He actually thinks they want to solve the issue.
For me, I mean, the nail in the coffin for Anthony Fauci or any of these people was when he said, you know, we should no longer be shaking hands ever again.
Like the ancient art of shaking hands had to go by the wayside.
Well, that's telling.
I'm so glad you said that.
I always harp on this.
Anthony Fauci is a social engineer.
The dark art of social engineering.
AIDS was, I've said this many, many times about AIDS. So if you think about the AIDS nuclear psyop cloud that descended on humanity, what did it tell humanity?
It said sex.
Intimacy no longer creates life.
It creates death.
In your mind, you are now to think of sex equating with death.
So now we're in the death cult.
We're in a suicide thing here, right?
Because you can see how now everything these people want for us is connected to death or suicide in one way or another.
I think they're a death cult.
And by the way, just to kind of reiterate the social engineering aspect, People can go check.
I think it's still on YouTube.
But, you know, very rarely...
You'd have them roll in the VCR and the television, and you'd watch one of these specials that was made for school.
HIV was a big one.
And I think it was with Ben Affleck, actually, one of his first roles.
I'm sure it was!
I'm sure it was!
And I'm not kidding.
He's like the jock guy that's a virgin, and he's coming up, and everybody's making fun of him.
He literally has sex with one girl, one time.
Gets HIV and is dead, of course, by the end of the movie, like they're going to his funeral.
Doesn't get out of his teenage years.
We have to find this masterpiece.
I mean, nothing like this has ever occurred in the literature.
You know about the Padian Report, I'm sure.
I'll tell...
No, please.
Go ahead.
The Padian Report was a...
A 10-year study, a researcher named Nancy Padian, who turned against her own research out of hatred for all of us, because we were interpreting her paper by what it said.
It was so-called discordant couples, quite a few, I don't want to say the number because I'm afraid I'll get it wrong, but hundreds of, what are discordant couples?
It means one is HIV positive, one is HIV negative.
They had all kinds of sex, all kinds of ways, including What was then called unsafe sex, unprotected sex.
So they're just watching these people for 10 years to see what's going to happen.
They'd already told us what was supposed to happen, as per Ben Affleck, right?
One broken condom, et cetera, is all it takes, Russian roulette.
And guess how many seroconversions, that is to say, people who started out HIV negative in the study.
And wound up HIV positive at the end of 10 years.
Do you want to guess?
I'm going to go with a big fat zero.
Yay!
Ding, ding, ding, ding!
You got it!
And by the way, we found it.
You can watch some of the scenes on YouTube.
It is a body to die for, the Aaron Henry story.
Oh, no way!
You know, again, these things are kind of over the top.
But again, there was a lot of fear-based propaganda during that time period surrounding HIV and AIDS. And even later on, again, when it was normalized, when it was okay that Rich South Park is making fun of it on a multitude of ways, they're saying, oh, AIDS is finally funny 20 years later, or that the cure for AIDS is having money.
There's an entire episode of just injections of liquid cash.
I remember South Park was the one ray of like, and I was like, why do they get away with it?
We get beaten like gongs no matter what we do, and they got away with it, you know?
And as well they should, and people still, again, you know, the thing is, I don't know that South Park asked enough questions about the latest ordeal, but that's what I want to get into.
Once they start launching these things, and here's my deal.
I don't think that this is a lab leak.
I've never thought it was a lab leak.
No!
It's the most asinine thing in the world.
I think that this is a seeded bioweapon attack, maybe not even by a nation state, because we're kind of outside of that.
But the evidence shows to me that it's in the United States during that really bad flu season prior.
I believe I got it in November of 2019. I never lost.
My sense of taste while having the flu before, and I certainly did for like three days at that point.
They run the Event 201 drill in October.
My guess is it's probably been launched by then.
There's an insider.
They're like, okay, let's wargame this out prior.
You look at that event, and 80% to 90% of it...
is followed to the T. The only thing that really doesn't happen are the mass deaths of the insiders and of course the mass deaths of the population.
Otherwise...
It's pretty much down the line, and they had little fun coronavirus plushies to give out.
I want to get into that and so much more.
We've got to take another break.
Celia Farber is our guest.
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So Celia, you have this thing launched.
You have these now two acceptable narratives.
I mean, the CIA is now endorsing the lab leak under Trump.
I mean, Ratcliffe put it out last week.
Wow.
I mean, Redfield, to his credit, who's kind of being brought in by Kennedy with HHS and all that, has at least talked about Chapel Hill.
I think that's very important.
Chapel Hill is just one of the United States organizations.
And really what you've built with this structure is a plausible deniability circle.
We get to blame China.
They can blame the U.S. Everybody can blame EcoHealth, right?
But at the same time, when you look at the only solution, and this is where it really starts to get even more nefarious.
Okay, so now we get attacked with a virus that I don't think is natural.
I mean, when you look at even what they tell us about it, 12-sequence DNA nucleotide to HIV. Later on, the hate and lie shots will also have an HIV spike protein in it programmed in through this biologically printed process, which is totally different.
And then you look at the origin of that process, aka mRNA, and it's a partnership between Moderna and DARPA all the way back to 2013 for their Adept and Protect program.
As soon as I saw that, as soon as that pitch was out there, I mean, first of all, as soon as the V word was thrown out as the only solution, I'm like, oh, this is bad news.
As soon as they said Moderna and mRNA, way worse news.
So when did you start looking into that aspect?
Because I believe, what, they threw around the V word probably the first couple of months.
But by April, that's when Bill Gates actually started talking about the mRNA technology on shows and first, second, third generation shots.
And by the way, I have those clips.
Anybody can watch it.
In 2020 in April, Bill Gates was telling you these shots were not going to stop transmission of the virus.
That they were only going to supposedly stop severe...
Illness and death.
All lies, by the way.
But they were prepping you that, oh, by the way, this isn't going to be traditional and it's not going to do what everybody else is going to say it's going to do.
So go ahead.
Here's where I think I have something unique that I can shine a light on that really, where there is a kind of monster prequel of AIDS that feeds the COVID catastrophe.
Perfectly.
And it is this.
Prior to so-called AIDS, there was a tradition in the United States.
I mean, there were some standards where it took the FDA on average at least about 10 years to take a product to market, right?
And that was safety and efficacy testing.
Coupled with time.
So time was in the formula, at least, as I say, a decade.
What happens with AIDS is that the, again, I'm back to the AIDS activists.
They freak out and they launch, you know, their sigh up was that they're killing us because they're homophobes.
Those congressmen, they're homophobes.
They want us to die.
They don't care because it's not afflicting, et cetera, et cetera.
So this is where our old friend woke collides with the pharmaceutical industry's metastasis or like wet dream.
Like imagine if we could get the so-called victims of the disease.
Baying and crying and screaming for the termination of the FDA drug approval process where they're just saying, give us the drugs now.
Forget the...
We don't have time.
Remember these mantras?
We don't have time.
So this was one of my earliest stories was from the inside covering the FDA meetings when they approved AZT in 17 weeks.
Thus, as I have said, breaking the spine of the FDA drug approval process in one blow, but doing it as virtue, right, in that woke way, because the gay men were chaining themselves to activists, act up to radiators, pounding on the doors, throwing blood act up to radiators, pounding on the doors, throwing blood around.
So there's all this like agitprop and street theater.
And the whole world at that time was convinced, you know, there was this outrage.
The government, Reagan, was killing these guys because they wouldn't give them any drugs.
So right there is, that's like a, it was like a perfect mass psychological weapon that they had in the top drawer.
When COVID comes along, they know exactly how to do that same thing and get people.
Demanding and begging for the mRNA vaccines, not even caring.
I don't know what mRNA is.
Just give me the vaccine.
I mean, I drove my...
I wish I hadn't, but I drove my then landlady.
I was living out in part of Connecticut, and she was 89, and she was one of these PBS watching.
She just couldn't wait to get the vaccine, and I said I would drive her.
Sorry, I don't think it's a vaccine, but you know what I mean, the injections.
And she came out of the room, and it was the 15-minute waiting period, and there were all these white-haired ladies in Connecticut, and they all came out of the room, short, white, and they all said the same thing.
They literally put their fists up, and they said, free at last, free at last.
So the way that people were euphoric, That they got it and they didn't care at all if it had been tested.
I feel that monster was created by ACT UP New York.
Sorry that was long-winded.
No, no.
Absolutely not because it shows you that this process through quote-unquote non-government organizations or activist groups.
They change people's brainwaves first.
How to think about everything first.
And then they come in with the agenda.
You see what I mean?
They had already made it ugly and just unacceptable to expect the FDA to test anything for safety.
It was already in the drinking water, so to speak.
Do you know what I mean?
Oh, absolutely.
You know, I remember, I mean, I always tell people to go back to the movies and the culture of the 80s, right?
Because look at some Sylvester Stallone movies.
Rambo 3. The Mujahideen are the freedom fighters.
They're our buddies.
The people that are literally going to be the terrorists and start being the terrorists conveniently in films.
Just before that, in Schwarzenegger films like True Lies, where all of a sudden it's the Libyans and those type of terrorist groups.
That starts popping up in the late 90s with that narrative.
And you look at something like when we were mending with Russia, Rocky IV, right?
If I could change and you could change, and then all of a sudden...
They're doing remakes of Red Dawn in a time period.
They start ramping it up against Russia again.
So, you know, if you pay attention to the popular culture and the sell and the fact that Hollywood, when you talk about a lot of these movies and scripts that get approval, they work directly with them.
They always pre-program the culture to feel a certain way.
I mean, go as far back as Outbreak, which had a huge resurgence.
Oh, that was such a horrible movie.
But again, it was big during the 90s.
I certainly remember it.
Great cast.
Kevin Spacey.
Who was it?
Morgan Freeman.
I might be getting that one wrong.
But I mean, it was a really...
Really good movie.
Hang on.
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Am I thinking of a different movie?
I'm thinking of that hideous Steven Soderbergh movie.
Oh, that was called Contagion.
Yes, Contagion.
But Contagion also went viral at the same time.
Do you know that was CBC-funded?
Yes, of course it was.
Well, in Outbreak...
Again, they're going to nuke this entire town because of a monkey.
HIV, monkeys, you know, monkeypox to this day.
Again, these narratives they sell you on.
But at the very, very last minute, they find somebody that has the correct antigens and they're going to be able to make a vaccine.
So they're not going to nuke the town.
So even then, as a kid, I remember it was a real good movie.
Had you on the edge of your seat.
Patrick Dempsey brings home a monkey, dies.
And even there, they sell you on this whole idea that the air systems are bad in the hospital.
So one of the opening scenes of the outbreak is once he's in the hospital, he coughs.
And all of a sudden, they follow a germ all the way through the airwaves and the ducts, and it goes to somebody else.
I mean, I hate to tell everybody, it traveled more than six feet.
But that's how it started out.
And the truth of the matter is, when you do have actual viral outbreaks of, let's say, the natural or zoonotic nature, number one, in this day and age, Completely contained globally, but they still stay regionally.
And the reason that usually happens is they dissipate.
They became less and less strong as they go on to the next person and next person and next person as they mutate.
But they sold us on the exact opposite, that these new strains of Omicron was going to get you and Delta was going to get you.
It's twice as strong.
Can you kind of speak to that?
Yeah, absolutely.
So with AIDS, the way we went through it was HIV was supposed, and Fauci, you can find clips of him pushing HIV. You can pick it up from a toilet seat.
You can pick it up from a salad leaf.
You can pick it up from utensils.
And back then you had, you know, families.
Throwing out the dishes, forks, knives, everything, when their gay son had been home for Thanksgiving, this kind of thing.
Okay, so we got past all that, and we were fighting tirelessly to talk about contagion and non-contagion and what was proven and what wasn't proven.
And so we all got, you know, stomped and canceled and worse in some cases.
Turn the page.
Then there's years of, like, dud, SARS and MERS, and they were launching them, but they were duds, including Zika was a dud.
They weren't duds.
I think they were test runs.
The astonishing thing with COVID was that they put in its design that it was airborne and...
Could be caught from contact with any surface, an Amazon box, an elevator button.
I mean, we AIDS dissidents, we couldn't even talk.
And they put PCR into the mix.
Because with AIDS, they only use...
I mean, Kerry Mullis, who we knew and loved, was one of us, was railing against PCR, said it can't test for a virus, it can't tell you whether you're going to get sick, it can't show infection.
He didn't invent the PCR test, he invented PCR. But the idea of PCR, as soon as I saw that, that's when I honestly, you know, my heart just broke.
I said no, and I was just hoping and praying people would say, what is this test?
But it's, it just, They did it.
They launched it, and people just equated PCR positive test with, I got the COVID. I have the COVID. I tested positive for the COVID. I got to isolate.
I got to do this.
I got to do this.
No discussion about why anybody thought that was so.
Now, what we had to work with was this guy.
This guy was convicted of scientific fraud with his aviator glasses, terrible reputation, Robert Gallo and his mystery blob.
But with this thing, there was no father.
There was not even a gallow, not even a shady figure who said, I have found the cause of COVID and here's my causation model.
You had nothing.
It just came out of, like, the ether, right?
It came very, very quickly.
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So let's get into the book because obviously you're focusing on the hate and lie shot here.
I think that number one, once you have the military involved in any aspect of this, they don't have to tell you the truth.
We have the mRNA technology.
There was also the vector technology out there.
None of it was traditional.
They literally had to change the definition of what a quote-unquote vaccine was.
You had Peter Doshi and others from the British Medical Journal exposing that in hearings.
People ignored it.
I tried to explain that to people.
Shut up, you asshole.
I mean, it's literally like that was the fear.
Do you want us all to die?
Do you want grandma to die?
Same as with us, we were killing everybody, killing Africans, killing everybody.
Insanity.
When you look at these shots, first of all, who are the most vulnerable?
Obviously, because they were telling pregnant women it was the best thing since breakfast.
They were trying to sell it on your six-month-old kid.
I mean, down the line, they wanted you to take this shot, not just one.
They signed you up for two boosters almost immediately.
Let you know that.
And I believe booster number 10 was approved about five, six months ago.
I'm sure we're going to make it a baker's dozen before we're over.
Actually, now that Kennedy's in, I have hopes that we can just crush this and there will be no more approvals, etc.
But who are the most vulnerable?
And at the same time...
What was this thing?
Is it a multitude of things?
Because that's where I always stop.
I have everybody on.
We've gone down the dark microscopy path.
I've heard everybody out.
At the end of the day, I'm a beauty school dropout and a pizza guy.
I don't know exactly what's going on with anything.
I can read and look at other people's work.
I do know that it was bio-nanotechnology and a lot of it was printed up by Tesla and CureVac and their partnership.
That, again, also gives me extreme pause.
Military-industrial complex, zombie company classifications.
What were these things?
Who were the most vulnerable and affected and why?
So I lean toward the frequency model of everything that it had to do with frequencies in certain neighborhoods and parts of the world, but not enough of an expert on that to sort of make a case for it.
The most, before we run out of time, I do want to talk about the book.
Thank you for bringing up, for mentioning the title, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History Targeted the Most Vulnerable.
So in the context of this book, the most vulnerable are the unborn.
Now, I'll just, for a second, when COVID hit and you said who were the most vulnerable then, I'm a New Yorker.
I was in New York at the time.
I moved out in 2020, but my stepmother tested positive and nothing happened to her.
The most vulnerable were the elderly.
I can't say that I can't reject the evidence that there was a targeted Holocaust on the elderly.
And what that meant was get them into hospitals where they would be killed by the hospital protocols.
In the nursing homes, they would be killed.
We have the midazolam scandals in England and Sweden and Europe and here too, right?
So the vulnerable were not those who were getting sick with the thing, whatever the thing was.
The vulnerable were those they wanted first to do away with, and that was the elderly, okay?
So in terms of the illness itself, those who were vulnerable, as we know, are those who had comorbidities, inflammation, obesity, poor health.
Same as we'll always be vulnerable, which is why, thank heavens, Bobby Kennedy is now the head of the HHS, because we can start to talk about what it means to have a defense against whatever, all of it.
Okay, so back to the book.
This book is difficult, it's dark, it's heartbreaking.
I'm the writer.
Dr. Jim Thorpe is the expert.
He's one of the only OBGYN doctors who've stood up.
There are others, but it's basically Jim has been standing there since day one with decades of experience.
And one of the ways that I cast him in the book, because I'm basically his, you could say I'm his ghostwriter, listen to him, interview him, look at all his science, and then weave it into narrative in this book.
And he just...
He was seeing it.
He was seeing the carnage, and all he had in his mind was the golden rule, the golden rule for pregnancy.
You don't give a pregnant woman any untested substance ever under any conditions.
What you'll see if you read the book is, okay, how did they do it?
There were three primary guardians of maternal fetal health.
Three big organizations in the United States.
They were knocked over by colossal government funding.
The total budget for COVID funding from the U.S. government, you can find all this online, went up toward $6 trillion.
So if Jim Thorpe was on here with me, he could tell you exactly how much they paid each of those agencies, but it really is that dark, that awful.
That simple.
They just soak them in colossal money, and they started pushing COVID shots for pregnant women.
And not just pushing, pushing hard, pushing again and again.
Are you sure you don't?
You know, they would call the women.
And this is the most trusted relationship a pregnant woman has with her practitioner.
So there would have been no part, again, about how they change our minds first, right?
There would have been no part of her.
Average woman, pregnant woman's mind where she's thinking, maybe my OBGYN has taken all kinds of money.
Maybe this clinic has taken all kinds of money.
And they're reading a script and they don't care if my baby dies.
Who would think that?
That is actually what happened.
That is what happened to thousands and thousands.
This is, I think, the most painful part of the COVID story.
And I think it's...
Just now getting to the point where we can begin to face it.
And the women have been so...
We have a woman in our book who lost eight babies.
Eight in all trimesters.
Celia, we have run out of time.
Once again, the book is Sacrifice, How the Deadliest Vaccine in History, Targeted the Most Vulnerable.
You can get it over on Amazon.com right now.
You know the drill over here.
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