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	Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness We've got a great show lined up for you today.
	We've got Angela Stanton King.
	She is the author of King Trump Kennedy.
	You're not going to want to miss that.
	We're going to be talking about the new administration.
	Then we've got Brian Reisinger coming in, land rich, cash poor.
	We're going to discuss these new tariffs and what it means for him and his community.
	Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
	And we are back.
	We are now joined by Angela Stanton King.
	Thank you so much for being with us.
	So before we get into the new administration, you are a senior advisor to RFK Jr. Certainly want to get into that.
	But how did you get into the political arena in the first place?
	And really, what are you expecting from this Trump 2.0 administration?
	Because I feel like the first go-around...
	I had a lot more problems with what he was saying, even in this administration now in the first couple of weeks.
	I'm impressed on the vast majority of things.
	I'm not loving the foreign policy, and there are a few things here and there that I have slight disagreements with.
	But we have been on a fast track to a real...
	I wouldn't call it a revolution.
	I would call it somewhat of a reformation and an attempt of a constitutional republic.
	And I hope that we continue to move forward there.
	But again, how did you start out and where do you see everything going?
	Well, I really didn't have any plans at all on being involved in politics.
	I kind of ended up just getting thrust into politics because of my personal story, which I talk about very vividly in the book, King Trump Kennedy.
	But in 2004, I found myself in a Georgia state prison for a nonviolent crime.
	And it was there that I gave birth to my daughter, chained to a bed with a sheriff watching.
	And then six months, she was taken right out of my arms at 24 hours old.
	And then six months after that, my mother passed away.
	Six months after that, my grandmother passed away.
	And then six months after that, I was released from prison with a $25 check and a bus ticket and told to start my life over.
	So my personal story and my road to redemption happened prior to President Trump getting in office.
	When President Trump got in office, he was very close with my godmother, Alveda King.
	Alveda is someone who I met.
	You hear that?
	Okay.
	Alveda is someone who I met when I first got out of prison looking for...
	Me and my children had nowhere to go.
	And so we went to a women and children crisis center, and that's where she worked.
	And she ended up giving me a job, hiring me that first day, helping me and my children get on our feet.
	So for 20 years, I worked with Alveda and the King family solely on community restoration.
	And then in 2016, Trump runs for office.
	Alveda already has a prior relationship with Trump and his family.
	I believe Alveda and...
	Don Jr.'s mother was very close.
	And so one of Trump's initiatives was criminal justice reform.
	And Alveda had been very active in my life and helping me to reform since my release.
	And she asked me if I would go in and if I would speak to Trump and tell Trump my story.
	Now, I originally was not going to do it because I was listening to the news.
	But then I started.
	Thinking about and having flashbacks of that time when, you know, I was separated from my family and wished that I had someone to advocate for me.
	So I decided to go in.
	I told Trump my story.
	Not only did Trump pass the first step back.
	But he gave me a full and unconditional pardon, and he also made it illegal for them to chain women to the bed because of my story.
	So from there, I continued to work with President Trump and his administration on things related to criminal justice reform, and then COVID hit.
	And when COVID hit, this is when I ended up meeting RFK, and I kind of traveled the country with him on defeat the mandates.
	We were all over the place fighting for our medical freedom, him along with Dr. Simone Gold and some of America's frontline doctors.
	And then RFK decides that he wants to run as president.
	Now, first he ran as a Democrat, and I wasn't going to touch that with a 10-foot pole.
	But I said, you know, because RFK was my friend, I said, if I were ever to have to support a Democrat or vote for a Democrat, this would probably be the only one that I would vote for.
	And then RFK announced that he was running as an independent.
	And I thought that this would be the perfect opportunity to bring unity and healing to our country.
	Because in that moment...
	I was really afraid.
	There were a lot of talks that Michelle Obama was going to run against Trump.
	And so I'm like, hey, if Michelle Obama runs, we are going to need a Trump-Kennedy unity ticket.
	So I, from the very beginning, already had in my mind, I didn't know how God was going to do it, but I knew that I was going to play a role in bringing those two together.
	And I caught a lot of flack being someone who had gotten a pardon from President Trump.
	Going to work for RFK's independent campaign.
	But it made me realize that we should all be people over party.
	We should all want what's best for this country.
	And we should all be working together to move this country forward.
	It was a part of the forming of the Unity Party.
	That's why the name of the book is King Trump Kennedy, rescued by King, pardoned by Trump, positioned by Kennedy.
	And it just talks about the most unlikely of alliances coming together to fight for what's best for this country.
	And I think that that's where we all are now.
	I think that America and Americans are ready to move forward.
	I mean, all of this divisiveness that's been going back and forth.
	One of the things that I learned working on a Kennedy campaign.
	As an independent because there are often times that I was the only pro-life voice at the table and they were pro-choice.
	I realized that we didn't have to agree, right?
	In order to come up with a solution.
	And so we ended up creating the more choices, more life policy, which we know has skyrocketed.
	And I can't wait until Kennedy is confirmed on tomorrow so that we can see these measures put in place.
	But the book is just a wonderful read.
	It tells you about my life story and it talks about my work with these three legacies, these families that have all fought for our freedom and all, you know.
	They've all, you know, the Kennedys were assassinated.
	The Kings were assassinated.
	They tried to take out Trump.
	So it's just a wonderful, wonderful, true story that I wanted to have in black and white after seeing.
	What our country experienced with censorship, with the way that they've taken over the internet, with the way that they've gone into Google and changed the definitions of men and women.
	I just wanted to put my story in black and white so it's always there.
	So 100 years from now, when they try to paint this picture of Trump and RFK being some kind of racist, there'll be this book by this little black girl.
	Angela Stanton King that made her way from prison all the way to the palace and just tells the real story about people who were fighting to help Americans and to save this country.
	So let's hit on a few things that you said there.
	When we talk about prison reform, we talk about criminal justice, etc.
	One of the things that, you know, I'm not a big Kardashian fan.
	I've never seen an episode.
	But one of the things that Trump did was work with Kim Kardashian in those arenas.
	And people ignored that.
	They continued to try to portray him as a racist.
	And you talked about RFK Jr. For me, I would have loved to see him be on the Democratic ticket because, really, I feel like one of the reasons they didn't want him there is, number one, they didn't want any kind of debates.
	They just kind of wanted to install whoever they wanted.
	But they also didn't want to run the risk of having somebody come in and totally upend the party, much like Trump did.
	He completely changed the Republican Party.
	And the truth of the matter is, if you really look at his policies, they do resemble 90s liberal, quote-unquote, Democratic policies in many ways.
	Maybe not the fiscal stuff, but a lot of the social stuff is there.
	I would have loved to see a debate between Trump and Kennedy.
	It's one of the things I pushed for.
	Trump, of course, smart guy, didn't do that.
	When you started to see them together before there was an announcement, say at the Libertarian National Convention, talking about those type of things, you saw that overlap, right?
	Both of them going for the independent vote.
	I would say, yeah, I would have loved to see that ticket of president, vice president, but really kind of ingenious, putting him at the head of Health and Human Services.
	Well, Kennedy is a very, very intelligent man.
	One point I want to make, though, there were a lot of black people that worked with President Trump on criminal justice reform.
	Unfortunately, Kim Kardashian gets the credit just because, I guess, she was the celebrity and she showed up to take the pictures.
	But Kim wasn't the one behind the scenes doing the work, doing the advocating, coming up with the justice reform.
	I mean, but however she used her platform, she dedicated her platform to it, and I appreciate that.
	But I just want that to be known.
	The next thing that I want to say when it comes to President Trump and RFK, They were really truly at odds.
	Like, I didn't see it.
	I lived it.
	These were two men that I loved.
	For me, it was kind of like...
	Your parents getting a divorce, right?
	You love your mom.
	You love your dad.
	You can't pick between the two.
	And it's like, you know, pressuring a child to pick, you know, which parent they love the most.
	So for me, I lived it and I lived through the attacks, but I knew that we would be a much better force together.
	A lot of people don't know that Kennedy and Trump had real beef.
	Like, Kennedy sued Trump quite a few times and he won.
	And Kennedy's not afraid of Trump, and Trump is not afraid of Kennedy.
	But to see the two of them come together, to me, it meant a lot because it showed that we as Americans, we need to set our differences aside, and we need to come together.
	The coming together of those two showed that we're ready to get past the divisiveness, right, and come up with solutions to push this country forward.
	I would have loved to see...
	RFK on a Democrat ticket, just like you, right?
	That would have been crazy.
	I probably would have never been forgiven by the Republicans had that happened.
	But I think it turned out the way that it should have turned out.
	And we're a much better force now, all being united.
	And I'm an independent now because of RFK. And I'm an independent because I want to put people over party, right?
	Like right now, there's a whole Twitter war going on, right?
	You've got black conservatives and white conservatives going back and forth with each other in regards to Kendrick Lamar's, you know, football performance.
	I mean, it's just Serena Williams, Cripwalk.
	It's just always something where eventually I really wish we could get rid of the two-party system and be one party and just do what's best for America and American citizens.
	That's what I wish because I think that somewhere along the line, we've, you know, lost our way in all of the fighting.
	And we focus more on fighting each other than on helping the American people, and that has to stop.
	I'm not your enemy because we don't agree, right?
	Well, I totally agree with my kids a lot of times, or my parents, right?
	But we're not enemies.
	First of all, I'm for more discussion.
	You know, I've never signed on the dotted line for the Democrats or the Republicans.
	I've been politically homeless for 20-plus years.
	I think that I'm going to have Cornel West on tomorrow.
	I'm really looking forward to that.
	Awesome.
	I've watched Cornel really, I'm 45 years old, for 30 plus years.
	I remember watching him on Politically Incorrect when it was on Comedy Central.
	I want more discussion.
	I'd love to get Michael Moore on the program.
	I think that you've got to have these discussions if you really want to have true free speech.
	One of the things that I like about what you were saying about RFK and Trump and them being at odds is it also resembles a true return to a meritocracy.
	They don't necessarily have to love one another, but they respect each other enough to know, hey, you did get some...
	Wins over me.
	I'm not going to ostracize you for it.
	I'm not going to demonize you for it.
	I'm actually going to respect you for it and say, hey, this is somebody I want on the team.
	Because I know that he's not only going to challenge the most powerful, but he can also win.
	We've got to take a quick break.
	We're going to come back.
	Angela Stanton King is our guest.
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	So, Angela, one of the other huge things in this administration that I like is the fact that we're supposedly getting the JFK, RFK, and MLK documents.
	Now, I would have thrown Malcolm X in there out of the gates.
	I think there's a lot more we need.
	You know, I want to go all the way up to 9-11 like you talked about on Fox News.
	I think that's incredibly important.
	But really, even all the way back...
	To post-World War II. You know, I'm a big fan of Annie Jacobson and her work in 2013 when she wrote Operation Paperclip, which is on the program to bring the Nazis in.
	They're part of NASA. They're part of the CIA. They're part of the whole intelligence apparatus.
	At that time, there were still 500 million documents classified on that.
	Let's get those out there, too.
	But the assassinations.
	It just broke yesterday that magically the FBI found 2,000 documents previously supposedly never found and not used by the Warren Commission.
	I don't know that I believe that.
	I think it's a plausible deniability circle that they're trying to get out there out in front of it.
	What are you expecting with these documents?
	Because I don't think it's going to outright convict these people of murder, but it's going to show a lot of the nefarious activity and the directions and connections in which the real investigations went.
	Well, you know, personally, it's a little bit different because of my direct connection to the family.
	I think that...
	Us, as regular American citizens, when we hear about the release of these files, we're excited because we want to read them.
	We want to know what happens.
	But I don't think that we take time to consider the families and what they have to go through.
	I know Bernice King had put up a post and asked if her and her family could review the files before they were released to the public.
	And I feel as though that that's a request that should have been honored.
	When the family has to read these things and watch these things, they have to live through that pain all over again.
	And it may not impact us as American citizens, but it most certainly impacts those families.
	The King family lost not only Martin.
	A.D. King was mysteriously murdered.
	The grandmother was shot dead playing a piano at Ebenezer Baptist Church.
	A crazed gunman ran in off of the street.
	The Kennedys, can you imagine what they go through when they read this stuff?
	And then, I'm just like you.
	How much of it can we believe?
	Because, you know, I got offended.
	I read a couple of the first few pages, and when it came to Martin Luther King, they're trying to create this narrative that he was a Marxist and that he was tied to communism.
	And to me, I feel as though that's disrespectful because out of every...
	I want to say civil rights leader that we've had that has fought for us.
	Martin Luther King has always been known for his peaceful protests.
	His peaceful protests are totally opposite of what we know Marxism to be, of what we saw with BLM and Antifa.
	Not only that, Martin was attacked by people in his own community because he would not get violent.
	He would not fight back.
	The King Center right now to this day leads on nonviolence.
	That's what they teach.
	Nonviolence.
	There is a better way.
	We do not have to be violent.
	So for me, you know, to see certain conservatives with huge platforms take to their platforms to totally, you know, degrade this man or try to assassinate his character.
	And I have to ask myself, as a black woman outside of just the family, who do they want our children to look up to?
	What heroes are they going to have?
	You could destroy Martin Luther King, who do you want to be his hero?
	And let me just say this.
	What are we doing?
	For my generation, I remember when it was controversial that he even had a day.
	He didn't even have a day when we were a kid, and that was even before Black History Month.
	And what I always say is, those who want to hijack it on either side with quote-unquote identity, And not only that,
	we have to remember this man lost his life, okay?
	Fighting for our freedom.
	It is the ultimate disrespect.
	So overall, when it comes to the files, I don't think I'll read them myself personally because I don't want to be traumatized and it's just too much stuff going on.
	But I hope that people can find the answers that they're looking for.
	And then back to what you said again, Jason.
	How much of it can we actually believe?
	Well, you know, that's my big...
	Because the people that wrote the files are the same people that they're saying conspired to murder him.
	So I don't know what to believe.
	Well, even with the internet zeitgeist, right?
	Any of the stuff that they said have come out, nothing's come out that's new.
	I'm the first one that will know when it is.
	Trust me, when the.gov site posts it and all of a sudden you can get access to it, we'll start talking.
	But I think there already are narratives at play.
	I don't know that we can trust the documents.
	Number one, what's been destroyed, what was manipulated on the spot.
	But then again, they don't want certain things out.
	I'm sure they don't want it out there that Oswald was CIA. Everybody who's looked at these documents beforehand not only knows that he was CIA, but he had an FBI handler.
	The guy's name was Warren C. DeBru.
	I could go on and on and on.
	These things are already public.
	They just haven't been out in the public narrative.
	I think that the public narrative is going to change.
	But then again, we had...
	We had the trial where the Kings and the Kennedys got their retribution that, what, an assassination and conspiracy had taken place.
	For some reason, it was never followed up on.
	I want transparency.
	And if you want me to trust anything the government says, I think that's the root.
	Snowden's big revelation wasn't really...
	That we were being spied on by our government.
	Again, if anybody was paying attention, that's pre-9-11.
	It's on the books, Norris, Insight Systems, all that.
	What was kind of revealing is that when he looked in the archives, and normally you would see a redacted version of a document and then that document without the redactions.
	He said they had full-on fake documents in place of the real thing.
	He made that revelation.
	On Joe Rogan.
	And that should really be troubling.
	Is that system still in place?
	What events have they altered?
	And we've only really seen through a keyhole of modern day history.
	That's why 9-11 is so important to me.
	Because our entire foreign and domestic policy since then has been based on the narrative they sold us on that event.
	And that's the surveillance state.
	That's the imperialism in the Middle East.
	That's the drone warfare.
	That's the coming AI.
	That's the biometrics.
	I could go on and on and on.
	What do you expect from this administration in these final moments of the segment?
	Man, I don't know.
	We've been for a wild ride.
	You know, I rode with Trump the first four years and it was crazy.
	I'm just excited to see, because see, Trump's got balls and steals, but so does RFK, right?
	So I am, and so does Tulsi Gabbard, okay?
	So I am just really excited about, so does Cash Patel, and so does Elon.
	With all of this stuff that we're seeing taking place right now with DOG, and everything that they're uncovering, right?
	With $59 million going to luxury hotels for illegal immigrants, and then here I am on TV. Angie, trying to provide housing for black women, any women that find themselves pregnant and need somewhere to go, and we can't get the support that we need.
	I'm just excited to see them overturn it all.
	Like, I feel like, I don't know, I'm 45 years old, I've been living in this country for quite some times, and there are some things that need to change in it.
	And if we as a country have been doing things the same way for 40 or 50 years, and we haven't gotten the results that we're looking for, then I feel as though maybe we're Maybe we're going about it the wrong way.
	That's what I believe.
	So I think that a lot of exciting stuff is going to happen.
	I'm really excited about finding out what they're going to do next.
	Like, I just think there is no stopping these guys.
	And I think that now is the time to change things around.
	You'll never get another administration like this.
	This is like...
	Return of the Avengers, right?
	Like, who in the heck goes and gets RFK, Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard?
	And then they bring their teams with them, too.
	So you don't just get RFK. You get Angela Stanton King.
	I'm a warrior.
	You know what I'm saying?
	We are ready.
	We want to protect our children.
	We want to protect our country.
	And we want to be healthy.
	RFK is the glue that brings us all together.
	Believe it or not.
	When we were at RFK Senate hearing, I saw how, I was right behind him, and I saw how Elizabeth Warren and Senator Warnock and all of these people were attacking him.
	And RFK said, you know what's crazy?
	He said, when I was a Democrat.
	You guys all agree with my positions.
	You were all my friends.
	You agree with everything I said.
	And now, simply because I've joined forces with Trump, you guys are opposing everything and trying to make me look as if I'm some type of conspiracy theorist.
	And we've seen this happen time and time again.
	He's absolutely correct.
	It's just time to get over the Trump side, the red side, the blue side.
	Let's do what's best for the American people.
	Who doesn't want to be healthy?
	Well, let me just say this.
	I hope that this isn't a one-of-a-kind administration.
	I hope that they can build into the next four to eight years.
	Again, I still remain totally politically homeless, and I want to hold them to account.
	RFK Jr., although great, not perfect.
	Same thing with Tulsi.
	I couldn't have picked two better picks.
	But again, I've seen what they've said publicly.
	When I look at RFK Jr., not only on the assassination stuff, But the COVID-1984 stuff, there's nobody better.
	Elon says a lot of great things.
	He's still the number one defense contractor, and free speech is a very low bar.
	You're still algorithmically suppressed on X if they want to be.
	Yeah, and still haven't gotten my account back, Elon, if you're watching.
	So, you know, I think we need to remain vocal, and we want to get...
	Better in all these regards.
	Now, step one is getting someone like RFK Jr. in there.
	I want to see these ads for these pharmaceuticals off of television.
	And quite frankly, not just off of television, but the web is just as big.
	So they're not allowed to be used on YouTube and these type of things.
	It should be you and your doctor.
	That's what these medications really should be for.
	Not brainwash advertising and no financial incentive.
	I want to see.
	The poisons out of our food, but not just our food, our water, our air.
	Yes, yes.
	And what I'd like to see, because the infant mortality death rate in Georgia right now is number one.
	We're ground zero.
	There's also a maternal health crisis.
	But why are all of these babies passing away?
	Why is America now number one for the infant mortality death rate?
	Does it have something to do with the number of vaccinations that they're receiving within the first 24 hours that they have been born into this world?
	One of the things that Senator Rob Paul said that was awesome during the confirmation hearing, he says, hey, look, it's not even that we're against vaccines.
	He said that my baby, when she was born...
	You all gave her a hepatitis B shot on day one.
	You can only get hepatitis B through sexual transmission.
	She's not having sex.
	So what we're saying is, can we hold off?
	We're not saying, no, don't give it to them.
	But do we have to give a newborn baby a hepatitis B shot?
	Is there some type of correlation?
	Have we been looking at the science?
	And I don't even know what the hell science is because let the Democrats tell it.
	Science is a man is a woman now and a man can have a baby.
	So I'm going back to common sense.
	And common sense told me the reason why I'm not vaccinated is because I just knew that they didn't have enough time to create it.
	Not only did they not have enough time to create it, they didn't have enough time to do trial and error.
	You can't create a vaccine in two weeks and then give it to the whole world.
	We were the experiment.
	When did they have time to try it and test it?
	Well, again, if you really look, and one of the things I liked about RFK Jr. is that he talked about the fact that this was run by the military.
	If you were really watching it, it actually started in 2013 with DARPA's partnering with Moderna.
	And they did the whole mRNA project together.
	Operation Warp Speed was really the final lap.
	And by the way, Musk printed up those shots.
	Angela partnered with CureVac and the vast majority of those things that went out.
	He made a pretty penny on that.
	Another reason to be skeptical and hold these people to account.
	But again, I'm hoping he gets in there and things start changing rapidly.
	AngelaStantonKing.com is where you can find everything Angela Stanton King.
	Angela, what would you like to close out with and how can they get the book and support you?
	Wow, everybody, you can find all of my books on Amazon.
	The number one book that you need to go get today is King Trump Kennedy.
	It is available in audio as well.
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	Jason, it's been an honor.
	I'm getting ready to go catch my flight, because guess what?
	I've got a birthday coming up in a couple days, and I'm going on vacation.
	But I love you guys, and I'll come back anytime.
	All right, Angela, thank you so much, and happy birthday.
	We're going to take a quick break and we'll be back with more making sense of the madness after this.
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	We're a little more than two weeks deep in Trump 2.0.
	Tariff town USA seems to be hitting the globe.
	Some of them have been pushed back.
	Some of the big ones, Canada, Mexico.
	Supposedly we are going to get there, but we also...
	Are seeing them kind of turn out and bend the knee a little bit to these Trump demands?
	We'll see where it goes.
	What are your thoughts and what is the buzz in the farming community right now in regards to these tariffs, the realities surrounding them?
	Because there's been some hard lines, right?
	We're putting up 8 a.m.
	tomorrow, right?
	They're going in and then all of a sudden a little flip-floppage.
	It's not John Kerry style, but it certainly shows there's negotiating going on at the table.
	So what is happening?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	There's a lot of things flying around that are affecting farm country right now.
	But on the tariff front, I think you said it exactly right.
	There's negotiation happening.
	And so whatever people's politics are, whatever they think of the different tactics, the reality is that...
	What you're seeing here is give and take.
	You're seeing the Trump administration willing to slap on those tariffs as people know they're willing to do.
	You're seeing countries that are willing to change their practices, willing to negotiate.
	We're seeing a back and forth here going on.
	So the really interesting thing is where else are the other changes going to happen?
	Where are the negotiations taking us?
	Because people know that he's willing to slap the tariffs on.
	He's done that before and he's doing that now.
	But we're also seeing his willingness to make changes to that when there are What are some of the other economic policies that you have your eyes on, right?
	Right now...
	RFK Jr., as we tape this, on the cusp of a confirmation.
	That looks like it's going through.
	I have confidence there.
	I think Tulsi's going to get through as well.
	There are a lot of haters, a lot of doubters out there.
	But the Mitch McConnells of the world, although they're not dead yet, they're dead to me.
	And they're dead to just about everybody else.
	So it does look like that's going to happen.
	Obviously, that's going to have a huge impact, not only on agriculture, but water.
	Air, etc.
	What are some of the concerns maybe surrounding the farming community there?
	Because for so long, the FDA has been this beholden organization.
	Certainly, I don't think it's made anything any easier for people like yourself.
	I think that that moves in the positive direction with Kennedy.
	So I'd also like you to speak about that.
	But what do you think some of the obstacles might be?
	Yeah, you know, some of the challenges and the obstacles are, you know, what's going to happen to this agenda as it's worked through?
	The devil's always in the details.
	But more specifically, there would be a wrong way to do a transition like this and then a right way.
	And I think we're trying to have as much of the discussion be around the right way.
	But one of the wrong ways would be through government mandates, right?
	You could see a way to shift farms onto growing more of the types of...
	Crops and products that we need to supply fresh local food.
	You can see that coming down through a whole bunch of mandates that just require things of small businesses that just like in environmental regulation or anything else, these are farms that operate on small margins and they don't have a whole lot of money to take and go turn and try a new crop or product.
	They want to do it, but they need to be able to make that transition.
	So you can have a bunch of heavy-handed government mandates forcing things.
	They would make it so that small businesses that willingly want to become part of the next generation of our food supply.
	Suddenly have high costs and aren't able to make it.
	So we could make it harder on them.
	I don't necessarily think that's the discussion that's being had.
	That's just the risk to be aware of.
	If we can make sure that what we're doing is we're meeting increased consumer demand for fresh local food, which is what is out there.
	And we're seeing more of that demand and we're seeing small businesses with farms being able to make that transition.
	We can do this where the market really shows us where we need to go.
	And I think that's what the discussion is right now.
	But we need to make sure that's the direction it continues to go.
	Now, the last time you were on, we talked a little bit about the eggywags.
	And I've got to be honest, it hasn't gotten any cheaper.
	For Jason Bermas at the store, actually gone up.
	And I get the 60-pack.
	You know, I think the last time I bought the 60-pack, and I'm not going organic.
	I wish I was, everybody.
	I'll be honest, at least half the eggs go to dog food.
	You know, I don't feed my dog dog food, but he gets eggs, got a great coat.
	I encourage everybody else to do that.
	Dogs love rice, eggs, meat, and vegetables when you put them together.
	You eat them, I eat them.
	It's as cheap, if not cheaper, than the slop you're feeding them.
	Anyway.
	Maybe not with eggs now.
	I think the last time I paid, it came out to about $0.33, $0.40 an egg.
	Now we're teetering on $30 for that same $0.60 pack.
	Now we're almost at $0.50 an egg.
	See guys, I have that 5th grade education.
	I can do that kind of math on the fly.
	I wish my nieces could with their 8th and 10th grade educations.
	They can't seem to.
	Are these things just going to continue to skyrocket?
	Or if we do have someone like RFK come in, maybe he's going to rein in the CDC, the FDA, this overregulation and fear-mongering surrounding bird flu.
	And all of a sudden, you don't have to kill all of your livestock, your chickens or your beef, etc.
	Because that's where the direction has moved into.
	And I would imagine that's where the prices are starting to skyrocket.
	You know, historically speaking, There are real challenges to bringing prices back down.
	We can do things, to the point of your question, but there are real challenges.
	This is true of inflation across the board, but it's especially true of food prices.
	Once they go up, it is hard for them to come back down just from a structural standpoint in the economy.
	But there are things that we can do.
	And to your point, we do need to make sure that our regulation is nimble to make sure that we're not euthanizing more chickens than we have to.
	We've got to do what we need to do to keep our people safe here in America, of course.
	Can we be nimble with regulation to see if there are ways to do this without quite as much euthanization?
	That's one thing that we can do.
	The other thing we can do is we can bring down costs for farms in general.
	The level of taxation and regulation that occurs that also contributes toward higher costs is something that can make it easier not only for farms to do business, but...
	All of the businesses that are part of our supply chain, they all have costs along the way, too.
	Those get added in also.
	Now, there's so many of them out there that when the food price is higher, the farmer isn't getting more money.
	And we've talked about this on your show before.
	But the reality is that bringing down costs for farms and all the businesses that exist between the farm gate and the dinner table can help.
	And then the third thing is, let's focus on local and regional food.
	So that it's not only the eggs that you find in the store, and hopefully we can begin to mitigate that price, but also let's make sure that there are more farms and more consumers that are buying and selling eggs in a local and regional economy.
	The reality is that eggs in the supermarket used to be way cheaper than eggs at the farmer's market.
	And that's not quite the case as much anymore as the cost of traditional egg sources have gone up.
	And so let's continue to move toward local and regional and specialty foods that can give Consumers additional options because you may just find sometimes there's a local farmer who can do it a little bit cheaper as well.
	I mean, I miss the days of walking into my local gas station and seeing 89 cent eggs only to go to Aldi's later to see 69 cent eggs, folks.
	7 cents an egg.
	7 cents, not 50 cents.
	It's a big deal when you're buying by the dozen or bigger.
	What are some of the other traditional foods that...
	We are going to see challenges bringing those prices down on.
	Because, you know, I just mentioned beef.
	I am a guy, again, and I'm running a little low already this year, and I just got it, I think, in December, who buys an eighth or a quarter of a cow.
	Same deal with a pig.
	I get about a quarter of a pig.
	Usually lasts me through the year, but there was less this year.
	I'm not going to lie.
	For the money, there was quite a bit less.
	And, you know, I do shop at Aldi.
	But if I've got to go to, say, my local Quickstar, which I really appreciate.
	After the COVID-1984 nightmare, nothing's open 24-7 that you can get a steak and produce in.
	Quickstar, you are bagging in the Midwest for that.
	I can still get the steak.
	But now, you know, they used to have the little sealed steaks, right?
	$1.50 on sale.
	Now they're $3.
	They're $2 on sale.
	They got ribeye.
	Ribeye used to be about $9.99 to $11.99 a pound.
	Now it's right up there $16.99 up to $19.99 a pound at a gas station.
	Walmart, Target, all those places, very, very similar prices.
	So when we are talking about beef in general, what is your prediction there?
	Yeah, I think meat in general.
	All meat is going to be challenging.
	You're going to see beef continue to be challenging for many of the same reasons that we're talking about, which is that we've had inflation drive up that cost, but also we've had major supply chain challenges.
	Going back to COVID, going on forward, we're still dealing with the fact that that had such a disruption to our supply chain, and in general, our supply chain is vulnerable, and so it's going to keep those prices high, that among other reasons.
	Chicken is also going to be costly for the same reason that eggs are, right?
	There's some of the same issues that are When we're talking about these tariffs in general,
	do you think that this is going to be a large discouragement?
	For other countries and companies that represent them getting into this arena, do you think there is the possibility of a resurgence in this country of the farmer on any scale?
	I think that there is if we can pair fairer markets internationally with fairer markets domestically and re-inject innovation into American agriculture.
	So we're talking about many of those things, but on the tariff and trade fund.
	If we're drawing a hard line to make sure that unfair trade partners are being brought into line, while also boldly selling America across the globe, we can have a world where farmers can, those who need to sell internationally, can be doing it into fair markets and don't have to have their prices plummet because of trade challenges.
	So the unfair trade imbalances that are holding them back right now, or because of trade getting shut down completely by the issues that we're seeing with other countries reacting to our tariffs.
	Draw a hard line and use our leverage with tariffs, but also be opening up new markets to our farmers.
	That's one piece of this puzzle.
	We also need to make sure that we have fair markets here in America in our domestic economy, and that we are making sure that we're re-injecting innovation into the American farmer with more technology that can be utilized by farmers of all sizes.
	We've talked about that before, scale-neutral technology that can be used by medium and small farms as well as large.
	If we're doing all of those things in concert, In a world where more people care than ever about where their food comes from, we can slow this disappearance of our farms.
	And we have to, because if we don't, we keep losing farms at the same rate.
	We're going to lose basically the majority of our remaining family farms within the next generation, within the next 40 years.
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	Now, Brian, one of the things we haven't talked about is the possibility of export.
	Under this administration, there's already been some big moves in the Panama Canal, the Gulf of America all of a sudden.
	I can't help but laugh.
	It's kind of funny, right?
	But, again, it does seem like there is a shift in the narrative, the attitude, and I don't love the fake it till you make it, but this isn't really faking it, right?
	This is more like...
	Planting a flag down, making some declarations, and trying to move things, I think, in a positive direction.
	Do you think there'll be opportunities for farmers for more exports under this administration?
	And if so, what are those opportunities?
	And are they going to be a change in the type of crop that they're going to have to grow?
	Because I would imagine, and we've talked about this, even the decriminalization or legalization of marijuana in this country in so many states may allow that to be an export to other nation states as some type of a commercial product.
	We still don't have a federal decriminalization, but under this administration, we could wake up one morning and all of a sudden that could be a reality as well.
	Are there other crops?
	What do the exports look like?
	What are you thinking?
	Yeah, you know, we do need to have exports be there as a supplement to our farms.
	So farms want to be supplying American food first and foremost, but they do need to be able to sell excess crops and products across the globe.
	My hope is that what we're seeing here is not just the tough stance being brought to bear and the negotiations with those countries where we're...
	Drawing that tough stance, but there's also negotiations with dozens of other countries.
	There's more and more places that we can open up more trade deals, doing it individually with each country, one at a time with each product, because that allows us to have a deal that is more favorable to the American farmer rather than having these big deals that have massive trade-offs.
	If we can do that, I do think that there's room for all kinds of new crops and products.
	We've got blueberry and asparagus farmers in Michigan who currently face unfair trade practices from countries that import blueberries and asparagus here, but don't let us do the same.
	To the same degree around the year, things like that.
	And then the other thing is, when you talk about things like marijuana, etc., if something like that were done, there's a whole range of crops that are adjacent to that, like hemp.
	And right now, hemp is highly regulated and limited because it's a kind of a related product to marijuana.
	It really isn't marijuana, right?
	It's used for ropes and clothing and textiles.
	But because it's part of the same kind of class of substance to a degree, it is very tightly regulated.
	There hasn't really been a market that's been able to build.
	So we could have a greater domestic and international market for crops like hemp if there were some of these changes that were made.
	What are your thoughts on our neighbors to the north?
	We talked about how that tariff has been postponed, but really, we do have some exports there.
	When you look at the size of the United States comparatively, we're ginormous.
	What are they, about 60 million people?
	We laugh at that.
	We're five to six times as large.
	A lot of people don't let that play.
	Now, you get to Mexico and South America, it starts to be a very, very different ballgame, and you start having that general populace.
	So when you look at those two border...
	Border nation states.
	What do you really see in reality?
	Which one is the economic threat and which one is the economic opportunity?
	I would imagine there are both with each of them, but as far as economic opportunities, the sheer numbers say Mexico, South America, don't they?
	Yeah, I think that's absolutely right in terms of the size of the market.
	You know, with respect to Canada, I'm sure that we all have Canadians that we're friendly with.
	There's plenty of them who are very nice people.
	So this isn't meant to be any shade toward them.
	But the reality is that they need America much more than America needs Canada.
	And I think that's part of the reason that you're seeing the negotiations go the direction that they are, where we're seeing some adjustments on Canada's front, and therefore there's some changes to the plans for tariffs because this is a back-and-forth negotiation.
	Mexico, you're also seeing some changes there, and I think that's a good thing.
	I think seeing their government work with our government to try to solve some problems, that's a sign that they want to continue to negotiate.
	So that's good as well.
	But the reality is that Mexico and the rest of Latin America, to your point, is a much larger market.
	And here's the other thing.
	There's a lot of food that comes in from those parts of the country that in some cases may not be produced here in America.
	So we want to be producing as much food here in America of our own as we can.
	But the types of foods that we can't get that need to be brought up through South America, et cetera, like bananas and other things, you know, those kinds of foods are ultimately needed to a degree.
	Now, it's out of whack, right?
	We're importing 42 and a half billion more.
	We need to deal with that trade deficit.
	It doesn't need to be as much of that.
	We can raise our beef here.
	We can raise our tomatoes here, right?
	But, you know, bananas, kiwi.
	Those kinds of things need to be imported.
	So it gets a little more complicated with Mexico and Latin America.
	But the reality is that we can grow more of our own food and still have good, robust trade in fair markets across the globe if we balance all these things.
	And you just mentioned the imports.
	I don't see, when I go to that meat aisle, a product of Canada.
	I often do see a product of Mexico when we are talking about beef, pork, etc.
	It really wasn't that way 15, 20 years ago.
	You did start seeing it more and more 15 years ago, but now it is the norm, and I would like to see that move in the opposite direction.
	Early on in this interview, you kind of talked about, hey, we are still going to need some type of government subsidies, support, etc.
	What investments?
	Are you making right now as a farmer and suggesting others make that you think are going to be positive investments in this administration and really have a return on investment?
	Not so much something that you're going to be forced into, which I know that many a farmer has been forced into equipment, whether it be to mitigate pollution, livestock, produce, etc.
	I'm hoping, again, some of these regulations are pulled back.
	I don't want food that's less safe, but let's be honest, a lot of this stuff is a money grab, and we're finding that out more and more.
	But what are the positive investments that can be made right now?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	The hope is that subsidies and other things can be drawn down and adjusted so that more of the market can...
	Dictate these kinds of things.
	I think that, you know, when I talk with, you know, my dad and my sister who's working to take over the farm, we're always looking at what are those additional crops and products we can do that might fit into the specialty food market.
	For example.
	And so the hope is that more farms can be shifting toward growing fresh local food and also special foods.
	What I mean by specialty foods?
	Different types of specialty wheat like Turkish red wheat, spelt.
	These are the types of foods that, you know, these are ancient grains that were once used as food products in this country.
	And we really kind of moved away from it as we moved into highly processed, overly processed food.
	The hope is that we can begin to move toward more of this naturally grown food, more seasonal food also, because that's one of the trade-offs that the American public has to be ready for.
	If we want to move toward knowing where more of your food comes from, it does mean that you can't have every single type of food every single time of the year.
	It means seasonality.
	So sometimes blueberries are in season.
	Sometimes peaches are in season.
	And it depends on the part of the country as well.
	But hopefully we can begin to see a lot of traditional farmers that have been growing traditional row crops also being able to move into some of these specialty products that can be grown as part of people wanting to know where their food comes from more than ever.
	You know, you just kind of alluded, it's not just where the food comes from, but what it's being sprayed with, what the GMO is really doing to that to make it more, I would say...
	Robust in the sense that it lasts for three weeks instead of three days.
	You see that with like, try doing that with an heirloom tomato, folks.
	You pull that tomato, you better get it in 72 hours.
	That's not the same thing that you buy at the grocery store.
	Do you think that that's going to be reined in under Kennedy in a rather rapid fashion?
	Because we've all heard the buzz around red dye.
	But one of the battles here at home with me and my nieces is they always want to get the shredded cheese, right?
	Oh, we want the shredded cheese.
	And I'm like, look, we're not getting the damn shredded cheese because they spray it with something so it lasts longer.
	And they think I'm a crazy person.
	And I'm like, we'll get the block cheese and we'll be human beings and we'll get the grater out and we'll do a little grady grady.
	I mean, I know it's tough out there, but there were times where, like, there was no other option, and we'll get less of the poison, and they just don't get that.
	You know, I mean, there's a million food battles, but that's one I'm really...
	I've got a hard line.
	You know, like that's where I'm willing to die right there.
	I'm willing to die on that hill for that.
	Can you kind of speak to that?
	Do you think that they're going to reign those type of things in?
	Because I don't need the damn sliced cheese like that if it's going to poison everybody.
	Man, that is old school, standing up for the grated cheese.
	I applaud you.
	I'm with you.
	So, you know, I think that what we're going to see is you are going to see some...
	Shipped away from that.
	And I think the hope in farm country is, again, that that can be done as much as possible with market-based programs and market incentives rather than mandates.
	So again, you know, farms don't want to have to depend on subsidies and other things.
	They want to be able to move into new markets that can be robust for them, where they can be growing something that makes them money and that provides affordable, healthy food to the American public.
	And so the real thing is, can we make that transition without having Major mandates that suddenly increase the cost for farmers.
	And that's the thing to balance.
	And so we're in this opportunity zone where people care more than ever where the food comes from, and we want to move in that direction.
	Let's do it in a way that's market-based, that allows farms to say, I can put a couple acres into this over here, and I can move off of this chemical.
	I can move off of this crop gradually if I'm able to make some money growing this new crop.
	If we can do that sort of transition, we can really transform our food system in a way that supports the small businesses that are the American farmers.
	Brian Reisinger, a pleasure as always.
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