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Feb. 9, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas

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	Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
	We have a great show lined up for you today.
	We've got Stacey Washington, the host of Stacey on the Right, and the author of Eternally Cancel Proof, a guide for courageous Christians navigating the political battlefront, as well as my good friend...
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	Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
	And we are back.
	Stacey Washington is with us.
	Thank you so much for joining us.
	Now, before we get into the book and the show, how did you get into the political arena?
	Oh, the shortened version is I was volunteering on a committee for strategic planning and I... I was working with board members in my children's school district.
	And the board members thought I would be great when they had an opening on the board the next fall.
	And so a board member reached out and said, hey, do you want to be on the school board?
	And I served for 11 months as an appointee and then lost my school board race by 453 votes.
	And so a friend was like, why are you upset about this?
	You have a real life.
	You don't need to be on the school board.
	And invited me to speak at Tea Party Under the Arch about the genocide of abortion.
	I did that and caught the attention of a radio host and started doing weekly hits with him in studio and got the radio bug, I mean, really hard.
	And so I started filling in for them and eventually had a weekend show.
	And then I had a daytime show on Christian Radio and now I'm on SiriusXM.
	So it was kind of a fluke.
	I really was just volunteering and helping with student achievement on a volunteer committee.
	That's how I got into strategic planning.
	So it was an adventure.
	It still is.
	So you just mentioned that you ran for your school board.
	Obviously, there's been a lot of attention given to the Department of Education, school boards, people speaking out at PTA meetings over the last four or five years.
	We haven't really seen this administration cut into the Department of Education just yet.
	But what are your expectations?
	Because we've certainly seen a shift, not only in the political directive, but I would also argue the narrative in the past several years.
	And obviously, with the blanket pardoning of the January 6th, Ross Ulbricht, etc., it does seem like action is going to be taken in that arena.
	What actions do you think are the most important?
	Well, I was on school board for a year and then served another term as director and then secretary and vice president.
	So I did actually end up serving on school board as an elected member of our district.
	And I have to tell you, the things that you're talking about are all intersected.
	People used to tend to think of school boards and public school as a separate issue, but now we see they're all interconnected through the movement of Democrats, through their kind of NGOs, and even through their elected officials to make schools the battleground over which we fight our cultural wars through children.
	And so I write about that in the book.
	I write about critical race theory, which was the precursor to DEI. I talk about what we need to do.
	President Trump is in the process of setting up the actual dismantling of the Federal Department of Education.
	Which would remove those standards and those strings that go along with it and place Americans back in the driver's seat over their children's education.
	You would then only have your state school board and your local school board to deal with instead of a federal bureaucracy that's a thousand miles away from you.
	So I'm actually thinking he's going to do a great job at this because you mentioned him pardoning the J6ers.
	These are promises he made on the campaign trail, and I think he's going to do the same thing with education.
	Well, there certainly have been a lot of promises kept.
	I've had my issues with certain policies in the past.
	Even some of the policies now, Larry Ellison, Stargate, Sam Altman, concern me.
	But I've never seen an administration move this quick.
	And you mentioned DEI, you know, diversity.
	Equity, inclusion.
	Again, a hotbed topic for the last five to ten years, really.
	And the biggest issue with that for me is the move away from any type of a meritocracy.
	And, you know, my nieces, I've been helping take care of them since they were six and eight.
	They're teenage girls now, 14 and 15. And my niece really has no idea what's going on.
	You know, she came to me the other day.
	She was talking about...
	A report on how Trump is firing all the FBI agents.
	And I had to stop her and I go, he's not firing all the FBI agents.
	He's getting rid of a lot of corruption.
	And I looked at her and I go, just so you understand, the FBI has been a corrupt organization for decade upon decade and more than likely was involved in the murder of Martin Luther King Jr., RFK and JFK, but we'll find that out.
	And her eyes like...
	Open wide.
	She couldn't believe I even said that.
	She goes, well, I guess I didn't know that.
	And, you know, later on we're talking about history.
	And this is, you know, she's about to go to high school.
	She hasn't even learned about the Civil War.
	You know, and my nieces are black.
	So I looked at her and I'm just like, they haven't taught you about the Civil War yet?
	So how do we move towards a meritocracy?
	You know, I feel like when I was a kid, You know, I'm 45 years old.
	There was much more of a meritocracy.
	And really, the racial stuff, you know, when I was a kid, we didn't even have Black History Month, right?
	And it was controversial that they had given Martin Luther King Jr. a day.
	But at the same time, we were all taught what?
	Not to concentrate on the color of somebody's skin, but judge them by the content of their character.
	And I think that that's something that's held true for humanity in general throughout my lifetime and should be promoted.
	So what are your thoughts?
	Well, I mean, you gave me a lot there.
	I'll start with me and my husband.
	We have three kids, and they are all young adults.
	And so they've all been through K-12, and two of them have graduated from undergraduate school.
	So they're out in the world, and we've had these discussions with them as well.
	One thing I encourage for parents is, you know, they have all the curriculum for your kid's school district on your kid's website.
	So you go to the school district website.
	You see what they're covering.
	And then over the summer, we would...
	I would just basically call it mom work.
	I mean, whatever it was called, it was things that we were learning about over the summer that I felt like my kids weren't going to get in public school or they were getting it at the wrong time.
	And we eventually moved them to Christian school where they had a much more rigorous curriculum.
	And it was a challenge for them getting Latin and all of those rhetoric, things like that, in so that they could advance their education.
	But for parents, we have to dive in.
	People like yourself, you're the uncle, you dive in and give that supplementary education.
	She learned so much more from you about the Civil War than she will in her class where they devote a tiny unit, a tiny section of a chapter to it, and it'll probably have some woke DEI in it.
	So the key here is, and you mentioned this, So children already know about that.
	We noticed our kids keeping score on their tiny little fingers at the age of five at soccer games because they grew up in an era where everyone gets a trophy at the end of the soccer game and they don't keep score.
	But the kids keep score.
	So human nature is to keep score and to know who's the best, even if you're not allowed to say she's the best or he's the best.
	Because that person's white or that person, you know, all this new nonsense.
	It doesn't really hold water because at the end of the day, we all know who the best is.
	We know who's the fastest, who's the smartest, who's the strongest, who's the richest.
	And we know the next 500 people under the richest.
	So we keep score.
	So the big thing here is to not deny reality and to give your kids the reality that they seek.
	Kids trust parents the most.
	Even in the teen years when they look like they hate you, they still trust you the most because you're the one who's feeding them and clothing them and hopefully loving them as hard as you can because that's the key to keeping the relationship strong from 13 to 22, 23 when they graduate.
	It's not a special book.
	It's not any kind of routine.
	It's not manifesting.
	It's just loving them as hard as you can.
	When they think you love them as much as you can.
	They will have a relationship with you that's far stronger than any other bond that can be created with an outsider, even though they're going to have those relationships.
	So I think the most important thing that you said is the meritocracy.
	We all know it's there.
	We know who is the best and who's the least.
	And so we have to keep that in mind.
	And that goes with eliminating DEI. So President Trump and the Trump administration and people who oppose DEI like myself, we don't oppose it because DEI equals Black.
	Nina Turner said BLM, DEI, and CRT. I'll equal Black.
	And if you want to get rid of those things, you want to get rid of Black people.
	Well, I'm sitting here and I'm Black, and I am not here because of CRT or DEI. I'm not a radio host or TV host because of those things.
	It's because I've applied hard work, and I've prayed, and I feel like the Lord has given me some great things to do.
	But at the end of the day, I have to work to get these things and to keep them.
	So what you said is so important, and I hope, Jason, that you'll keep saying it, no matter what people say to you, no matter how many times people point out to you, That's racist.
	That you'll push back and say, no, it's just the truth.
	It's the way life works.
	Just like we have a binary existence, male, female, yes, no, truth and light and darkness, right?
	Truth and lies, light and darkness.
	We have a binary world and we have a binary reality when it comes to what you just discussed, which is that there's a meritocracy and then there's giving people things based on how they look, which leads to a lowering of standards, a lowering of performance and output.
	And it leads to danger, as we're seeing in our aviation industry.
	And I'm the first one here.
	I have a daughter in medical school.
	So this isn't about me not thinking Black people can do it.
	I know Black people can do anything that anyone else can do if they apply themselves and have hard work and effort.
	The opportunities are always there.
	If it's not there at this location, it's there at another location.
	So you don't need DEI or affirmative action to get there.
	So I think this is an important conversation that we have to continue to delve into to push back on the lies that are being told.
	We've got to take a quick break.
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	We will be back in a moment with more Making Sense of the Madness.
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	And we are back with Stacey Washington.
	Now, Stacey, you mentioned sports.
	And, you know, I think sports get a bad rap.
	You know, people like to pick on jocks.
	They think it's big idiocy.
	It is the one place where meritocracy, no matter what, eventually shines through.
	That's not just school teams.
	My younger niece is on a travel volleyball team.
	It costs me the price of a used car every year.
	It's $4,000 to $6,000 every single year.
	It's not even for the year.
	It's about six months.
	Then there's another program that I spend another grand on.
	That's the miniature program.
	It really is high-level kids.
	And, you know, I've been coaching both my nieces since they were six and eight.
	I've coached their little volleyball team again before they were keeping score, soccer teams, etc.
	But like you said, the kids do keep score.
	And one of the things that I really push people into when I talk about sports is when you're in school, you kind of get a friend click.
	Those are the people that you revolve around.
	Yeah, there's the bullies and this and that.
	But you choose those people.
	You don't choose your teammates.
	And the fact of the matter is, you might hate the person that you're playing with.
	You need to rely on them if you want to win the game.
	And that is so true in life.
	Where you are going to have to navigate these situations where you may not get along with this personality type or you may have beef with that perspective.
	But at the end of the day, you've got to work it out and work together.
	So what do you think the importance?
	I think that that's a big driver for these kids.
	If you can instill that and show them, not only is there a meritocracy, but there are also politics that come around in sports.
	And I think you know that.
	My niece will complain to me.
	You know, I'm so much better than this girl.
	I'm like, yeah, but that girl's parents know the coach.
	I go, that's kind of how life works.
	And you're going to see that, that you might get...
	You know, overturned for a promotion in light of somebody that doesn't have as much talent as you because they have the right connections.
	And these are tough life lessons that maybe aren't on the surface, but I feel are very important to instill in kids.
	And I think, again, hopefully, again, this administration is moving towards a meritocracy, but you're never going to get away from all of the cronyism that's out there.
	No, it'll never be perfect.
	And I have to say, you know, the example you gave is such a good one because you can be the best talker, but a lot of what you see on, you know, if you see someone on television, it's as much about their networking and their other attendant realities as it is about their raw talent at whatever the job is.
	And so I was on active duty in the military, and I have to tell you the thing that they drummed into us in basic training was that this is an actual environment where it's a team.
	And it's similar to sports.
	You have to pull your weight and you have to be there 100%.
	Because you're trying to make sure that you can do your job in time of war.
	We don't leave anyone behind.
	So you're literally possibly going to be carrying that person off the battlefield if they're injured.
	And you need to be able to do that whether or not you like that person.
	So it's not about liking them.
	It's about being on the same team.
	It's very similar in sports.
	All sports team members don't like each other.
	They don't all spend time with each other outside of the team.
	But when they're on the field, the court, wherever, in the pool, they have to pull together on that team to make sure.
	That they're performing at their highest, best level so that the team can win because that's the mission.
	So you have to be mission-oriented.
	And as far as, you know, after that team sports experience, which is to strengthen you, and I love it when people say, oh, that person was just a jock.
	Do you know how hard it is to actually understand the game of football and play it well, the physicality of it, along with the mental prowess of...
	Actually plotting out everything that has to go on on that field and following and being a part of a team, it's very difficult.
	So being a so-called jock or a sports person actually requires another type of intelligence that's very, very important later on in life in the marketplace.
	And so I'll just say, you know, Jason, if you put in the most effort, eventually your work will be rewarded.
	It may not be in the way that you think.
	So we plot out our plans, right?
	We make ourselves...
	You know, first I'm going to do this.
	Now that I'm on the radio, next I'm going to do that.
	But what you end up with is you're going to be on an adventure kind of of your own making, but the outside forces will play a role.
	And sometimes the thing you thought, this is my dream job, this is the thing I have to do, that's not what you're going to end up doing, but it's about your hard work and effort.
	Putting in 100%.
	If you're the first one there and the last one to leave, it's not because you're Black or you're Hispanic.
	If you're the first one there and you're the last one to leave, if you're the first one to turn in the work that your boss gives you, if you're the one who jumps back in and says, what else can I do for you?
	Your boss is going to come to rely on you, and that's your opportunity.
	So it's not about your coworkers.
	It's really about you and your effort.
	And we have to focus on that because our world has been infected with people who want us to say, no, Stacey, you just need to get to the right location because you're black and you're a woman and you're a victim.
	And at some point someone needs to repay you.
	I don't want that job.
	I don't want anybody to give me anything because of my.
	This is 1% of who I am.
	It's the outside.
	Everything that matters is on the inside of me.
	And I want people to give me my opportunities based on that.
	And then I need to put in the effort to shine once I've been given the opportunity.
	So we've got to focus on that with our kids.
	And they understand it because they see how the world works.
	It's so funny how much clearer they see it than we do.
	You know, my older niece, she's moved a little bit away from sports, but has two jobs already at 15 years old.
	And I live in Iowa.
	It's scary as hell.
	But she has her conditional license at 15, got it at 14. My God, scaring the hell out of me.
	I know.
	Totally bizarre.
	And two jobs.
	You know, on top of school and all these other things.
	One of the drivers for me is to push them away from the victimhood mentality.
	Because unfortunately, I come from...
	A long line of welfare queens.
	I'll just be honest about it.
	That's how I grew up is that, you know, food stamps, welfare.
	I'm a victim.
	I was a teenage mother.
	My mother still does it.
	It drives me absolutely insane.
	My sisters.
	I mean, same exact thing.
	Oh, if I can get this from the government, I'm going to take this.
	And I'm really hoping to show them not only is that not the way, but that really does cause a lot of pain and strife when you are literally dependent on the government for your next meal, for the payment of your rent, for the gas that goes in your car.
	I encourage them to move as far away from that.
	As possible.
	And any time they think that their situation has oppressed them, to move away from that mentality and instead make a plan on how to overcome.
	So how do we push this generation into that?
	Because there is such a wide array of not only victimhood mentality, but what can I get?
	Because I deserve it.
	They're getting it.
	Why can't I get it?
	And why can't I get it for free?
	Well, you know, so anything that's free.
	We've learned this with Facebook.
	Facebook's free because we're the product.
	We're on there.
	He's selling our private information, our emails, everything.
	And if you're getting something for free, then there are strings attached to it.
	And this is a life concept.
	And for people who break out of that, the freedom is truly not...
	Not having someone who can take it away from you.
	Because right now, a lot of people are in a panic because Doge is going through the government books and finding a lot of corruption and fraud.
	And they're going to take those payments away and they're going to move USAID underneath the State Department.
	I mean, there's a whole lot of changes in government.
	And once those fraud payments are gone, people around the world who've been relying on U.S. taxpayer dollars to fund their nonsense are going to be flat out.
	Broke with no income stream because they're reliant on the U.S. government.
	And so that's the last place you want to be.
	And you might say, well, then I'll be reliant on my employer.
	No, you'll be reliant on your own hard work and effort, which will pay out in the end.
	So the thing for us is not giving.
	If there's anything you have to remember, and this is something I have to remind myself of, because when I get frustrated, I'm like, why am I even working this hard?
	Why am I even doing this?
	I'm doing it because if I don't finish, if I don't put one foot in front of the other and continue to do that, I can't go anywhere.
	The minute I stop moving is the minute I stop growing and I stop experiencing the life that God has given to us.
	And we don't know how many days we have left.
	So we've got to make the most out of the days that we have.
	Every day you get up and you're still in your right mind and all your body parts are working, as far as you can tell, is a great day, right?
	That's a great day.
	So you've already woke up to a great day.
	You might feel like you need six cups of coffee, so go get your coffee and then put one foot in front of the other to do whatever it is.
	The problem solving, whatever it is, you have to do it and then get up the next day.
	And it's not about perfection.
	It's about doing it every day.
	Okay, yesterday was crap.
	Didn't get much done.
	Didn't hit my goals.
	But today's another day.
	I'm going to do it today.
	I hear you talking about that generational thing.
	It's not just for people who have been experiencing welfare.
	A lot of people are stuck in generational traps in their family, alcoholism, obesity, whatever.
	We're all struggling with something.
	I think the people who are the most put together are the ones who the camera's trained on the one part of their living room that's clean, and that's the part they're famous for, and then the rest of it is a hot mess.
	And a lot of people admit that now.
	I love that about, you know, today's influencers, Gen Z. I'm Gen X, so we were used to keep it tight.
	Don't let your crack show.
	But the younger millennials, and especially the Gen Z, they'll show you the pretty part in all of their pictures, and then they'll show you just over to the side where all their kids' toys and their crap and some clothes that need to be returned.
	Everything's over there.
	So you have to focus on yourself and compete with yourself.
	If you're competing with other people and saying, you know, I'm going to do this because I have to keep up with that person, you don't know what that person is doing.
	But the successful people, we know what they're doing.
	They're coming in early.
	They're leaving late.
	They're working through their lunch.
	They're putting in the 59 hours a week.
	The average millionaire puts in 59 hours a week.
	So if you want that, that's where you have to get.
	You have to get in a group of people who is doing the same thing.
	And you have to do it with those people and encourage each other to do those things and to keep going.
	And you will see success.
	That's how you prepare yourself for the opportunities that are going to come your way so you don't have regret about not being ready to take advantage of those.
	So I encourage people.
	And then, of course, you know, anthropologists show that people who have a faith tradition, who go to church once a week, most weeks during the year, not all of them, but most weeks, they live longer, they have better sex into old age, they have less weight gain.
	And they have happier marriages.
	So if I look at those statistics, I'm like, well, I can drag my buns to church once a week and see what's going on in there and make some friends at church.
	So if I have a sick kid, which happened to us, and we were back and forth at the hospital, my husband was living there, and I was going back and forth with the hospital not far from where we live.
	And during that time, people that I knew, people from Bible studies from like 15 years ago, Showed up at my door.
	They would text, I left something on your doorstep.
	I would come back from the hospital, and on the little bench outside our front door would be dinner for me and the kids and my husband.
	People prayed for us.
	People would call me up five minutes before my radio show would start, and I'd be sitting in my studio crying about everything that they'd been doing to my son all day, and I needed to be live on the radio in five minutes, and I would literally be sitting there, my phone would ring, and it would be a friend, I'm calling to pray with you.
	And they would pray with me for three minutes.
	I get off.
	I have two minutes left to dry my face off.
	Thank God it's radio.
	They can't see me.
	And do a three-hour program.
	This is what I encourage people to do.
	Life is so much more fun with people who'll cook you a meal, who'll hold you up when you can't stand up, who'll let you call them and cry, and who will celebrate with you when you have wins.
	And you find those people, some people find it at work, some people find it in clubs and organizations and not-for-profits, and some people find it at church.
	But I encourage you to take advantage of the fact that you're sitting upright today.
	Whatever you're facing, go get some people to go through it with you so you can enjoy your life.
	And then...
	It'll be your turn to drop off a meal, to mail a card, to call somebody up and pray with them, to text them a prayer.
	And your life will be so rich and you'll be better able to withstand everything that's going on.
	I mean, the Biden years were carnage for a lot of Americans.
	They really suffered.
	The costs were so much.
	They had to give things up.
	And now we have President Trump coming in and it's going to take him a while to fix it.
	So if you're struggling, you need to struggle with people because that's the way you're going to get through it.
	So I just encourage that.
	I mean, I can't stress it enough how great it is to know.
	That if I'm having a problem, a real problem, or one of my kids is having a problem, that I can text two little friends and say, my daughter said she's four hours from here.
	I can't do anything.
	And they will text back praying.
	That's it.
	No details, nothing.
	Praying.
	And I immediately feel better.
	And then she'll tell me, Mom, I feel better, blah, blah, blah.
	It's a great thing to have that to rely on.
	The book is Eternally Cancel Proof, A Guide for Courageous Christians Navigating the Political Battlefront.
	You can get it on Amazon.
	And where else can you get it, Stacey?
	Well, wherever books are sold.
	But I know how people tend to try to hate Amazon, but I don't.
	Amazon helped me publish my book.
	I'm self-published through my little publishing company.
	It gets to you in less than two days.
	Go to Amazon.
	All right, Stacey Washington, thank you so much.
	We're going to take a break.
	We're going to come back.
	We've got Chrissy Meyer with us.
	We'll be back after this with more Making Sense of the Madness.
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	you And we are back.
	We are now joined by comedian Chrissy Meyer.
	It has been a hot second since you and I have done a broadcast together.
	Yes.
	I think it's kind of hilarious that your comedy special, which is a big hit, by the way, live from January 6th, kind of teeters on the fact that we met for the first time on January 7th.
	That's the first time that I did your podcast in a hotel room.
	The day after that with wrist flex.
	It's been now four-plus years.
	You've expanded.
	I mean, you've been doing your podcast now.
	Physically.
	I've physically expanded because I just had a baby, and I'm waiting for things to come back together, Jason, and they're not coming back together as quick as people said they were, so I have a bone to pick with those people, and you know who you are.
	Well, you've had that, you know, I... I keep up on my Chrissy Meyer.
	You had that baby, what, about six to eight months ago or almost a year out?
	Yeah, nine months ago, but I'm still going to go around saying just.
	Just had the baby.
	He just flew out.
	But he is standing.
	He is trying to stand by himself and he's crawling.
	So it's really crazy how fast time goes.
	That is what a baby does to you.
	It reminds you of just like how fast time is moving, whether you're ready or not.
	Well, look, time only goes in one direction.
	And, you know, I blinked and it's been four years.
	I'll blink.
	It will be another.
	I would say no shortage of cannon fodder for jokes over the last four years with a dementia patient installed into the executive office, a cackle monster as his vice president, and really...
	Just some of the most insane policies and media narratives that were pushed.
	Obviously, the COVID-1984 nightmare had a big thing to do with that.
	What were some of the narratives that you found most troubling, and what were the ones that you tried to focus in on your comedy?
	It has been really a crazy four years, Jason.
	The biggest issue is that the things that we as a country had to get used to as being considered normal, right?
	Now it just seems like with Trump back in office, I wasn't a fan of Trump's his first term.
	It took me till about 2018 to come around on Trump.
	I actually embarrassingly voted for Jill Stein in 2016. So it's not like I was ever a Hillary supporter, but I just thought my vote was doing more.
	For Jill Stein, who I think, I don't know, took a bunch of money and spent it on hot tubs.
	I don't know.
	I'm not really following her very closely anymore.
	And then we had four years of Weekend of Bidens, and the things that we as people had to accept as normal was...
	Mainly just around the trans hysteria, the trans social contagion.
	And I say everything.
	We had a really hard four years for a reason.
	I think everything happens for a reason.
	I think it had to get so bad under the Biden administration for this country to collectively wake up.
	I know many of us had woken up during the pandemic or even before.
	You know, Trump's first administration.
	And I think it took the pandemic for parents to see what their kids were learning in school for them to be, you know, truly, like, activated into making change there.
	To be like, wait, what are our kids reading?
	What are our teachers pushing?
	And in that sense...
	I'm thankful for the pandemic.
	So, and now that I have a kid, it's, I'm just, I'm grateful for everybody who, like, Moms for Liberty and all those who have, like, stuck their neck out and done the work, and to now we're at the point in 2025 where Trump is saying there are only two genders, and it seems like he's on the path to putting out, putting these doctors out of business who have been, you know, making all their...
	What's the gender-affirming surgeries?
	And I think if you're going to affirm someone's gender, have we ever explored it going in the other way?
	If someone's growing up, if I as a woman, I'm like, hey, I don't feel womanly, maybe I will get a new push-up bra.
	Maybe I will get implants.
	Not that I'm saying we should do this to kids, but when people become adults and you're like, I'm a dude and I'm not feeling very dude-like.
	And you're over 18. Why don't you get mail?
	Like, I don't know, get a new chin if you want.
	Or, I don't know, go to the gym.
	Or hold on, Chrissy.
	Work on your pecs.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Maybe you should just try the hard route and start getting physically fit.
	I mean, the actual challenge, not instant gratification.
	And by the way, none of that stuff is going to be instant gratification because surgery is painful.
	I know that's not in the mix, but people don't really discuss that.
	I can't imagine how painful it would be.
	I don't know.
	To mutilate my...
	I don't know.
	That seems to be like the last place you want to get surgery.
	And I don't know.
	They've got leg lengthening surgeries.
	Let's pursue that first.
	No, I'm obviously kidding.
	I'm happy that all these surgeries seem to be mostly coming to a conclusion.
	But in terms of answering your question about fodder, yeah.
	I'm almost like, gosh, am I going to have enough to joke about these next four years?
	But I think...
	There will be so much material just for the, you know, if Trump is not doing something joke-worthy, certainly the people around him, I mean, like, you know, it's fun to make fun of RFK, but, you know, I hope Nancy Pelosi sticks around until she dies, basically, because when I first heard that a Pelosi...
	Injured themselves, wearing high heels.
	I thought for sure that was her husband, Paul.
	But I was dismayed to learn that it was old Nance.
	Well, let me just say this about the Paul Pelosi thing.
	I'm actually a little more sympathetic on that one.
	I know a lot of people were talking about that being his boyfriend, etc.
	I'm just going to let everybody know.
	And I actually went live after I found this out.
	I think it was within 48 hours of the hammer attack.
	I forget what her name is, but basically his girlfriend was somebody that I had actually come across through 9-11 Truth many, many years ago.
	No way!
	We were supposed to stay at her house, and then we walked into her house.
	And it smelled like one of those homes.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	And she was an older woman at the time.
	She had a younger guy.
	There were babies around.
	And then, I mean, we're not going to get too graphic, but then again, Chrissy has interviewed many an adult film star.
	Yes, I can handle it.
	She had had a photo shoot done.
	Where she had an American flag with the pole shoved in many an orifice.
	That is not the way to express your patriotism, people.
	There are other ways.
	All I'm saying is, this guy seemed extremely mentally ill.
	I do not think that, and then if you listen not just to the snippets, but the actual full phone call that he made to the police, it's pretty evident that he's scared beyond belief, doesn't know what's happening, and this guy is not somebody that he knew.
	So hey, guys, that's when the conservative media has to take an L. You've got to just say, hey, I got that one wrong.
	It's not that hard.
	We're human beings.
	We all get things wrong.
	I never thought that they would install a dementia patient.
	They did it.
	I thought Trump was going to jail.
	Apparently they just tried to kill him twice, and when they failed, they decided no prison.
	I mean, we never got that sentencing in the 34 felony New York case.
	Wow, you're right.
	It could have been so bad.
	It could have been so opposite.
	This is why I'm like, if you don't believe God exists after the last couple of years, then you haven't been paying close enough attention.
	Yeah, shot at twice.
	Could have been put in jail for many different reasons.
	And just to pull through all of that and still be surviving and thriving on four hours of sleep in McDonald's and crushing it.
	And he looks great still.
	And he's 70. I'm really hoping they've got him.
	On, like, the TRT pellets.
	God, you think so?
	Well, you know what?
	I'll tell you what.
	Doing this show now for the past couple of years, you know, I don't book any of the guests.
	I was actually very pleased to see that we were going to be reconnecting.
	I get all sorts of mainliners.
	You know, I've interviewed Rudy Giuliani on this program now.
	Cash Patel, he actually walked off my show.
	What?
	How did you walk Cash?
	You know, so I spoke a lot on the Reawaken America tour over the last two and a half years, too.
	Like, I think I did nine of them.
	He was there a lot.
	We crossed paths, but we never talked about anything.
	When he came on the show, I brought up the signature reduction program, which still has not been addressed.
	And for those that don't know, but if you watch this show, you probably do.
	This is the secret military program that was written about via Newsweek that nobody wants to acknowledge.
	This is 2021. Whoa.
	Where it admits that the Pentagon has a clandestine force larger than the CIA, that there are 60,000 people doing domestic and foreign operations in this country, and that they are inside private businesses, consultancies, and household-named companies.
	Now, obviously, that's Google, Facebook, X, Lockheed Martin, and they have access to literally every single database.
	So if they want to create a human being, They can create a human being.
	If they want to alter your records, they will alter your records.
	So this guy, William Arkin, actually travels with one of the members of Signature Reduction.
	Now Signature Reduction is not the official name.
	It is in the paperwork as an art form.
	It has been around now over a decade, really closer to a decade and a half.
	No hearings, no audits, and not only are they able to, say, access things like a DMV or a social security office, get fake plates, fake IDs, but here's the kicker, Chrissy, if we haven't had this conversation.
	They also have access to our DARPA tech.
	Oh, the DARPA! So what you're looking at right here looks like a glove, or I'm sorry, hand.
	No, it's actually a skin glove.
	A manufactured silicone hand sleeve used to evade fingerprinting and create fake identities for clandestine travelers.
	So let me explain.
	And of course, they do the molds.
	Ooh, who's that man?
	He's a looker.
	Oh, he is very sexy.
	He looks like Deadpool.
	Again, that's the guy he was traveling with.
	So that's the special operations guy.
	But the hand itself, I want people to really think about this.
	If they have your biometric information...
	They can print your fingerprints on that.
	So they can set anybody up they want.
	Jason, this is why I never do any of the fingerprint stuff.
	I don't do the fingerprint to get into the phone.
	I don't do any of it, okay?
	I'll just forget my password like I've always done.
	Password?
	Listen, guys, just so everybody knows, I'm not taking pictures of my Johnson.
	Watch.
	That's it.
	You're right in.
	You're in.
	Like, it's a swipe up.
	There's nothing on here that I don't need anybody else to see.
	And that's not because I don't think you should have privacy, but like you said, look.
	We all give up our biometrics.
	I'm pretty sure they've got these.
	See your dick pics.
	I don't have your phone locked up.
	You know, just sort of leave them open on a bar and then walk away and be like, oops, oh, yeah, that actually is me.
	Oh, the mystery.
	That's how you meet people.
	Those hands, aside from the fingerprinting, Chrissy, also emit human oil.
	So, in other words, if you maybe gave your data on a 23andMe, maybe...
	People who did that are so stupid.
	How could they not see this coming?
	Why would we send away our genetic material just to be like, oh, I'm 13% Irish.
	Is that worth it, people?
	No, not worth it.
	My sister and my brother both did it.
	I never did it.
	Why?
	But again, these are the things that are happening right now.
	One of the concerns I have about the administration is obviously the push forward in technology, the inability to address Operation Warp Speed, the COVID-1984 nightmare.
	To continue to promote mRNA, I do think Bobby Kennedy Jr. is a step in the right direction.
	I'm psyched about the declassifications.
	I want those to go even further.
	We're going to take a quick break.
	We're going to come back.
	And I want to talk about that because narratives, I feel, are really going to change significantly if we do get this documentation.
	And I want it to go so much farther than the assassinations of the 60s.
	And I think that that is extremely important.
	You can go check her out at ChrissyMeyer.com.
	Forget about the E at the end.
	It is M-A-Y-R. We are going to take a quick break.
	We're going to come back.
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	And a mom!
	By the way, how's all the family life going?
	Like, you mentioned the baby and the weight, and you cracked a couple jokes about that.
	But before we get into declassifications and the narrative, what's family life like for Chrissy Meyer these days?
	Oh my god.
	It's, um...
	Being a mom is wild.
	Because I remember people, when I was about to give birth, they were like...
	Get as much sleep as you can.
	Those people were not kidding.
	I haven't slept more than like two hours at a time in the last nine months.
	But no, it's great.
	It's great.
	My husband is super helpful.
	We share the workload.
	I take care of the baby.
	I feed the baby and he sleeps.
	So we find that we really divide it up evenly that way.
	I think, listen, I know that you have a very, very, I don't know if you're married yet, but I would assume.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Yeah, we got married in 2023. And then I got pregnant a month later while I was, I had a summer of drinking White Claw.
	So I recommend that fully as a, as a fertility.
	Well, I hope you were the one drinking White Claw and not your husband.
	I have still, as a man, refused to drink any seltzers whatsoever.
	I'm taking that to my grave.
	I'm not going to watch Titanic either.
	Yeah, sorry, James Cameron.
	Never happening.
	Going to my grave without it.
	Let's talk.
	Narrative management, declassification.
	What are your thoughts on this?
	Because a lot of people want the Epstein quote-unquote list.
	I've been an advocate there is no list.
	There's plenty of...
	Really?
	That's ridiculous.
	There's no list?
	That's...
	Chrissy, that again is a conservative talking point that is total bull.
	You know what there is, all right?
	And I actually, I hosted the fourth hour of Jones when everybody thought they were going to get the list.
	Remember?
	I was like, you people are morons.
	No offense.
	But they hadn't read any of the documentation that was already out there.
	There wasn't anything really new released.
	The vast majority of what was released had already been released with a few more redactions and names.
	So when everybody, oh, breaking news.
	Yeah, we broke that in 2017. They've been around forever.
	I can name the names.
	It's not hard.
	I know who these people are.
	Leslie Groth, Sarah Kalin, Nadia Marcinkova.
	They worked with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
	They were part of the sweetheart deal.
	We know that Les Wexner gave him the mansion.
	We know that Alan Dershowitz was his lawyer.
	I'm not accusing Alan of anything, as he did win in court against Virginia Giffray Roberts.
	But the names are out there.
	We know.
	That they had a multitude, when they raided Epstein's homes, of binders.
	Binders full of women?
	I've heard about those from John Kerry.
	All I know is that the binders don't even let you see what is on the spine, and the spine of the binders are blacked out.
	Then you look in that same room, and there are Maxter hard drives.
	That have already been taken by some police unit because they have the tape on them, but they have been returned.
	So we know there are hard drives.
	Oh yeah, there are burned DVDs in the same location, literally showing you on there that they've done that.
	They were blacking out the photographs that were around the home.
	Okay?
	So listen, it's not a list.
	What happened was that you had Epstein that would...
	First of all, he was the main abuser, but then would also pimp them out for other deals.
	The real reason that the vast majority of this can't come out is not only the intelligence connections, but because he was an arms dealer.
	In fact, when that big list hype was around, comedian Louis Black actually got asked on the They Might Be Drunk podcast about Epstein, and he'd actually gone to Epstein's home, and he said something.
	Said something really incredible.
	Again, nobody in the media picked it up.
	He went there with his manager.
	Obviously didn't know who Epstein was.
	Said there was going to be good wine there.
	Late comedian David Brenner was with him.
	Said there was really nothing that was suspicious there.
	Epstein seemed to be with an older woman.
	He would assume it was Ghislaine Maxwell.
	Obviously didn't remember that.
	But this is where it gets really interesting.
	He says that Epstein pulled him into another room.
	And he had a big whiteboard in front of him.
	And he said to Louis Black, do you know what that is?
	Louis Black had no idea.
	He goes, no, I don't.
	He goes, well, I was discussing weapons systems with the Israeli defense minister last night.
	Now, I want everybody to kind of think about that for a minute, okay?
	You got a big whiteboard, you got the Israeli defense minister there, and you're talking about weapons systems.
	What do you think he was doing?
	He knew Khashoggi, not Jamal, but Anand, who was in, or I'm sorry, is it Anand Khashoggi?
	I'm probably butchering his name, but he was an arms dealer.
	And when you talk about...
	Iran-Contra, guess who bought all the weapons?
	It wasn't the United States.
	It was Israel.
	Israel actually bought the weapons from Czechoslovakia and another Eastern European nation, sent them down through their advocate, Mark Rich, and we then repaid them for that plausible deniability circle.
	So I expect that Epstein was probably part of the Iran-Contra network.
	They don't want that out there, but certainly an arms dealer.
	The molesting kids, terrible, but a lot of that has been shored up.
	I mean, Jean-Luc Brunel, who was, forget about a list, on planes with them, wearing IDF hats, by the way.
	Wearing Israeli defense forces hats.
	I don't know if you know this, but he was actually picked up.
	He was in a prison in Spain, and he killed himself a couple years ago.
	Yeah, so I'm not expecting...
	There is no list.
	So are you going to give us videos?
	Are we going to start prosecuting people?
	Are you going to tell us the network, etc.?
	I don't see that happening.
	9-11?
	I'm maybe a little bit more hopeful for.
	And I think that that narrative does need to be shattered.
	If Chrissy Meyer got to decide, what would you like to see declassified and why?
	Oh my gosh.
	It is tricky because no matter what...
	I mean, a full declassification of 9-11 would be groundbreaking.
	It'd be very exciting for people like you and I. But I think it would be kind of traumatizing for a percentage of the American people because then they're just going to be like, well, I guess we just can't trust.
	I think it would be good.
	It would be the necessary, like...
	I mean, it'd be actually horrible for the families who, you know, had family and friends die in the buildings.
	But it's already horrible they've been lied to.
	And there's so many family members.
	It's a paradigm shift to go from like, oh, we were attacked to, oh, possibly was this done on purpose, you know, by people in our own country.
	And it's better that people know.
	I think get it all out.
	And 9-11 would be exciting just because that's affected a lot of folks.
	And it's like it's kind of like still within our our lifetimes, whereas I feel like JFK, MLK, it's it's it would be interesting from a historical standpoint.
	But 9-11 is still pretty fresh.
	9-11 is the basis for the vast majority today of what our foreign and domestic policy still is.
	Homeland Security.
	The Patriot Act, the NDAA, the Military Commissions Act.
	Let me keep going.
	Things like signature reduction.
	PSA, getting pat down.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So look, when I talked to Giuliani about this, you know, he had come on the show because he had written a book about the Biden crime family.
	And we got maybe two minutes into the interview, and I said, Rudy, we've got to stop here.
	I go, no one's going to jail.
	Let's stop pretending.
	That's imagination land that Joe Biden's going to jail or his brother's going to jail.
	And of course, we end up with these preemptive pardons.
	So we kind of go back and forth on that a little bit.
	But he respects my opinion.
	He kind of ends up agreeing with me because I'm like, he brings up the Hunter Biden laptop.
	I go, yeah, you're making my point.
	Bill Barr had that laptop for 10 months and nothing was done.
	We've had the Wiener laptop now for almost a decade and nothing has been done.
	No one's going to jail.
	But then I brought up 9-11.
	I brought up Biden in particular meeting with one of the money men, and he conceded that we should declassify everything about 9-11.
	Even brought Building 7 up at the end and asked him about his right-hand man, City Corporation Counsel Michael Hess, who got blown up in Building 7. Two individuals got blown up in Building 7. On the eighth floor, we're rescued by the fire department.
	And it's funny because he kind of told the line in the beginning.
	He goes, well, there was no loss of life.
	And then he corrects himself or very little loss of life.
	Now, they always said there was no loss of life.
	Barry Jennings said he stepped over dead bodies.
	The reason they didn't even have to mention that in the 9-11 commission report is because they told that line that nobody died in there.
	People died in Building 7. It's time to come clean.
	If you really want to, quote unquote, dismantle the deep state, you've got to expose the actual criminals.
	There has to be some type of accountability.
	Does that mean Hillary Clinton's going to jail?
	Absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	No one's going to lock her up, everybody.
	We have to be realistic.
	And the other thing is that we have had such corrupt political behavior.
	I think that if you expose these people in the court of public opinion, it does so much more than putting them in a prison cell.
	Because once they go into a prison cell, I think that there's going to be a certain sect of the population that will sympathize with them and act like they were set up and act like they're a martyr.
	when that is not the case.
	What are your thoughts?
	Yeah, I agree.
	I don't think Hillary would ever go to prison.
	Too gosh darn big and powerful.
	And then, you know, who would Bill hang out with every day?
	Who would keep him company, you know?
	Gina Gershon!
	And any other floozy actress that he wanted to bone.
	I'm not saying he slept with Gina Gershon.
	I'm just saying he was coming out of her house all the time at odd hours.
	Wow.
	So who knows?
	Maybe he was just helping her declutter or, you know, do some spring cleaning.
	Throwing out any old underwear that doesn't fit anymore.
	And I think another declassification that would be interesting would be the moon landing.
	Really take us through how they recreated it.
	Chrissy, number one, we're not getting that.
	You know, it's funny because I had Greg Autry from NASA on the program.
	And I was talking about not only the weaponization of space.
	I mean, look.
	Elon Musk is the number one defense contractor.
	He's building the spy satellite network.
	We're not going to the moon or Mars.
	That's imagination land.
	We've weaponized space.
	NASA only does 20% of space research.
	In fact, did you know that NASA... What?
	20%?
	What's the other 80% going into making T-shirts?
	Well, let me tell you.
	NASA T-shirts.
	So, are you aware that the...
	I've often talked about In-Q-Tel, which is the CIA... Investment arm.
	Investing in Google in the beginning.
	But do you know how they really started?
	Space stuff?
	Oh, well, NASA and DARPA teamed up with the National Library Directive and funded them.
	And the initial search engine came out of NASA. NASA has partnered with Google from the beginning on quantum computing and artificial intelligence.
	They have the NFLDS lab, which is all quantum computing and artificial intelligence.
	I mean, just in that arena alone.
	We talked about hydrogels a lot during the pandemic.
	Guess what, Chrissy?
	Hydrogels are worked on in the ISS. So, all of these things, including 3D printing of organs, a ton of other stuff.
	We gotta do a Burmese Brigade podcast soon enough so we can go for like an hour, hour and a half.
	Unfortunately, we've got restrictions on time limits.
	I want everybody to go to ChrissyMeyer.com.
	Again, forget about the E. Go check her out and go check out live from January 6th.
	Still available on iTunes and all other podcast networks.
	She's a hilarious lady.
	Chrissy, thank you so much, and thank you guys for watching this show five days a week here on Patriot.tv, where the truth lives.
	Remember to me, it is not about left or right.
	It is always about right and wrong.
	I absolutely love you guys, and we'll see you on the flip.

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