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Jan. 24, 2025 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas

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Simone Gold John Rich And An Epstein BOMBSHELL!!!

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	Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
	We have a great show lined up for you today.
	We've got Dr. Simone Gold and John Rich talking about gold care on the heels of Trump 2.0.
	And then we've got Solomon Schmidt talking about the new biography on Alan Dershowitz, Legal Gladiator.
	You're not going to want to miss it.
	Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
	We are now joined by two giants in the Patriot Arena.
	Dr. Simone Gold and John Rich, Thank you both for being with us.
	You know, Dr. Gold, I saw you speak several years ago out in Iowa.
	I think that you were talking about the right questions then.
	You know, there are so many people, for instance, that have bought into the lab leak theory, but you said not to buy into that, and I think that's one of the places that we're going to need to go.
	In this Trump administration.
	Then I was lucky enough just several months ago to speak after you at the final Reawaken America tour.
	So I'm just so thrilled to have both of you with us.
	Also on the heels of all of these pardons for January 6th and beyond, of course, you were wrongly persecuted and served time for that as well.
	So before we get into gold care, I'd love to get a feel for how Both of you are feeling on this Trump 2.0 presidency so far.
	I mean, we're about 72 hours into it.
	As we film this, he just wrapped up a panel at Davos.
	He has made good on so many of these promises, again, from January 6th, from leaving the WHO, from stripping security clearances away from intel demons and beyond.
	So let's start with you, Dr. Gold.
	You know what?
	I think we all thought that Trump was a man of his word, but it's a whole other thing entirely to see him making these promises happen on day one.
	In my particular case, not only did he pardon all of the J6ers, there's only about 14 or 15 that had commuted the sentences and he may yet pardon them.
	Not only did he do it, he did it on day one and he did it with words that said that this was a national injustice.
	So he's very, very firm.
	He did a lot of amazing things really on day one.
	He pulled us out of the WHO, the World Health Organization.
	That's really an evil entity.
	It's a derivative of the United Nations, which has done terrible things across the world.
	He's declared that there's only two sexes, that it's a hoax, essentially, in the federal government to say that there's anything other than two sexes.
	So I, for one, as a doctor, civil liberties advocate, cannot be more thrilled with Trump 2.0.
	How about you, John?
	What are you feeling?
	Oh, I'm pretty happy so far.
	This has been like a carpet bombing raid from Donald Trump.
	I mean, you can tell that he has been making notes for four years straight and probably on the four years prior when he started to understand the enemy even within his own camp.
	You know, so many people got in around him that derailed him, didn't tell him the truth, led him in directions that they wanted him to go, but not...
	Not where he wanted to go.
	He learned how the swamp really operates.
	And so when he comes out this time, man, I mean, it is both fists up.
	And he is coming at them with everything he's got.
	No fear.
	And I think Americans, all the ones that voted for him, which we know were the mass majority, are very excited to see what's happening right now.
	Well, I am excited.
	You know, I think that he has been imperfect in the past and will continue to be.
	You know, you talked about these people lying to him.
	And obviously we had these unprecedented preemptive pardons that came with Fauci.
	And I think that this is one of the reasons that you really have to take your health into your own hands.
	If there was something that you could really criticize him on, obviously it is Operation Warp Speed.
	Now, I'm sure many of us believe that mea culpa comes with RFK Jr. Hopefully we can get him confirmed as the head of HHS. But especially with hype around things like the bird flu and Moderna just got another 590 million on the 21st to accelerate that vaccination program.
	Where do you see the future of health and why is it still important for people to really take hold of their own health and not be directed by government agencies, no matter who they're headed by?
	You know, I'd just like to jump into that.
	So it's really...
	I want the president to remove government obstacles to American ingenuity, capitalism and free market solutions.
	The government just needs to get out of the way and there will be excellent solutions coming to market.
	We have destroyed a free market concept in the healthcare space and that has resulted in catastrophic outcomes for patients.
	We have terrible health indices in our nation, right?
	For First World Nation, we have almost like third world results.
	It's unbelievable.
	So we need Trump to move the government out of the way.
	I'm very encouraged.
	He's done a 90-day moratorium on CDC, FDA, NIH. I might have that a little bit wrong on the dates and the times, but he's done a moratorium on government actions in the health space.
	Now it's time for American creativity to come to market.
	And that's my lane as a physician.
	So when we're talking about these...
	Preemptive pardons.
	Do either of you expect any kind of accountability?
	I mean, Fauci is just one name.
	Out of that, you still have those who are involved with EcoHealth Alliance, obviously, Daszak, Barrick are in that mix, etc.
	Do you think, especially with Rand Paul out there saying that he's going to continue to pursue these things, that we will...
	Francis Collins is another one that we know lied to the public, NIH, etc.
	I'll start with you, John.
	Do you think we're going to get...
	Legal accountability.
	Yes, I do.
	Those pardons that Joe gave out were federal pardons.
	So he's not pardoned in the county that I live in or the county that you live in.
	He's not pardoned in all 50 states.
	And I will also say that if we dig into this and find out that people like Fauci and others Knew exactly what they were doing with gain-of-function research.
	If they worked with our mortal enemy, the communist Chinese, to bring a disease upon not only America, but the entire world for their own purposes, if we are able to prove that and find out that's actually what they did, intentionally did that, well, pardons also don't cover crimes against humanity.
	Okay, go look it up.
	They don't cover that.
	That's an international court.
	That's the Hague.
	That's the big courts that supersede all courts.
	And so what I'm looking forward to as a regular civilian, as a patient, you know, Dr. Goldson, she's a doctor.
	She's an expert.
	I'm a patient.
	I watch my wife and kids and family and friends and my business and people that work for me go through this grinder.
	What I want to see is the truth to finally come out.
	And if the truth is...
	It was all one big accident and there was no nefarious intent behind any of this, then I'll accept that as the answer.
	But we know for a fact we have been lied to by basically every government agency out there.
	And I think that's why the Trump nominees are so critical right now to get them in.
	It's really interesting that he's putting people, nominating people who have been persecuted by the agencies that he wants them to run.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Not only have they been persecuted by it, but the American people have been persecuted by them with the spying and the people that have been thrown in jail and held without bail and all these bad things we've seen in four years.
	Honestly, the only good result from the last four years is that Americans are now awake and aware to who was actually running the country.
	And some of those people, by the way, are Republicans, okay?
	They're Republicans too.
	This is not just Democrats.
	So what I'm looking forward to is America becoming I just want to add something about the pardons.
	We're all in shock at the concept of a preemptive pardon.
	Number one, that probably isn't going to hold water.
	When you look at the purpose of the presidential pardon, it's to make sure that the president, if he's been politically attacked, and his supporters have been politically attacked, that's the purpose of the pardon.
	It says in the presidential pardon language that there has to be an offense.
	There's been no offense identified in these pardons.
	That's number one.
	So I don't know that's going to hold water.
	But let's say it does.
	It actually opens up the door to lots of things.
	That means you cannot refuse to comply if Congress holds hearings.
	Congress can haul Fauci in.
	They can haul Liz Cheney in and demand that they answer questions.
	And they can't say...
	It's to avoid self-incrimination that they won't speak.
	They can be held on new charges of contempt of Congress.
	So there's multiple ways to play this.
	We have very smart lawyers on our side, and I'm confident Trump's going to navigate that water carefully.
	Well, I certainly hope there is real accountability and that these preemptive pardons are thrown out by the Supreme Court.
	But the Supreme Court's made some pretty bad decisions over the last several years.
	I'd reiterate what John was saying about the only good thing is that people started to wake up, especially during the COVID-1984 nightmare.
	But then post that, I mean, they installed a dementia patient up until just the other day that clearly wasn't running anything.
	And we've never had the level of censorship and inability to seek our own medical treatments than that time period.
	So now let's get into goldcare.com.
	Was this essentially built out of necessity because of that time period?
	Yeah.
	So, listen, I'm an emergency physician.
	I've been on the inside of the healthcare industry for 25 years, right?
	My father was a doctor.
	I know this industry inside and out.
	I know all the tricks.
	I know all the games.
	I know how it's played.
	Usually, I could navigate successfully for my patients by just maneuvering around the obstacles that have been thrown in my way by insurance companies and the government.
	But COVID blew the lid off of that.
	COVID showed us that even a doctor who was wanting to do the right things for patients, I couldn't.
	I actually couldn't help patients.
	I was stopped by the government.
	I was stopped by my employer in that case, which was a large healthcare conglomerate, let's say.
	So yes, it was because of COVID, but the infrastructure for the healthcare system is more than dysfunctional.
	It's absolutely broken.
	The average patient cannot navigate the system and get the best possible outcome.
	So yes, COVID, but it's deeper than that.
	We needed a solution that put the...
	Emphasis only on the doctor-patient relationship.
	The reason that's so important is the patient's the one who really cares about their outcome, not the insurance company, not even so much the doctor.
	It's the patient that really cares.
	So you need to give the power back to the patient and you need to have advisors that the patient can trust.
	And that's the cornerstone of GoldCare.
	But that's a doctor's perspective, that the system is broken and that we needed a better system to serve the patient and the doctor.
	Well, I'd have to agree with you.
	You know, I've only had really medical nightmares when dealing with the traditional system.
	Often, the physicians I visited are arrogant.
	I've actually been told not to look up my symptoms and do my own research.
	I mean, now, once a doctor tells me that, I'm leaving.
	I don't want to talk to that person anymore.
	Again, no one's going to be more concerned with my health than me.
	And no one's going to dig harder than me.
	And if you're not going to listen to me on any level, red flags everywhere.
	John, why did you decide to get involved in this?
	Yes.
	Well, so I'm on the patient side.
	You know, I'm just one of the hundreds of millions of patients in the United States.
	And when COVID broke out and I started...
	Doing my own research, like you just said, but researching people that know.
	I mean, like Dr. Gold, like Malone, and some other people like that.
	I started reading what they were saying, and they started talking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
	Even the President of the United States at the time, Donald Trump, said, this is what I took.
	And it worked.
	And I said, I want to try that.
	So I went to my doctor, who had been my doctor for 15 years.
	For me and my wife.
	And I went to her, and she's part of one of the big conglomerates.
	And I said, yeah, I don't want the vaccine.
	I want ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.
	I've heard that, I think I'm saying it right, quercetin, or quercetin, however you say that, zinc, D3. You know, this protocol that these PhD doctors are saying absolutely works.
	That's what I want.
	And my doctor looked at me and said, yeah, we're not...
	We're not calling that in.
	That's nonsense.
	That's not approved.
	I said, wait a minute.
	What's not approved about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine?
	I remember having this discussion in her office.
	I said, literally billions of people around the earth take those two drugs every single day.
	I mean, they've won Nobel Prizes, these drugs have.
	I said, my own grandfather took hydroxychloroquine in World War II fighting in the Pacific so we wouldn't get malaria because it's an antiviral.
	This is not a narcotic.
	She said, no.
	I said, it's not a controlled substance.
	No.
	I said, well, I want it.
	She said, yep, can't do it.
	And so I said, well, you're fired after 15 years.
	Bye.
	See you later.
	And so now I don't have a doctor.
	And so then I have to go out and find a doctor that would handle it the way I wanted to handle it.
	But then we run into the problem that Walgreens and Eckerd's and Rite Aid and CVS. They won't fill it even if they do call it in, which is completely illegal that a pharmacist can override a doctor's prescription.
	Dr. Gold will tell you about that.
	That is a big, big deal.
	I hope Trump holds all of them to account over that one.
	They should go bankrupt over that situation alone.
	So as I dug more into Dr. Gold, started understanding what she was doing with GoldCare, I said...
	All right, I'm going to check into this.
	So I went on GoCare.com and I found out for me and my wife and my two sons, it's $20 a month to have access to all this information.
	These webinars they're doing on stuff like bird flu and Ozempic and all these interesting subjects that nobody's going to tell you the truth about.
	And then you can set up these appointments in 15 minute blocks and have your questions ready.
	And get a second opinion on what your doctor is telling you.
	And then these doctors, if they think they can help you, they'll call in a prescription for you and they'll find a pharmacy that'll actually fill it.
	I said, okay, this is an ace up the sleeve for every regular American out there.
	For moms and dads who went through what I went through, which pretty much all of us did.
	For 20 bucks a month, you got access to that.
	Thank God Dr. Gold put this together.
	And I got to say, the array of doctors that are on this website.
	Like, you can literally search a word like statin.
	Okay?
	You can search this word and all of a sudden it'll pull up doctors who specialize with heart issues and whatever.
	I have, you know, older parents and wanted to dig into these subjects.
	And then you can pick the one that you think you'd like to talk to and set up an appointment.
	I mean, Dr. Gold has set up a system where you can route the entire situation of what's been foisted upon American patients.
	Goalcare.com is the website.
	We've got to take a quick break.
	When we come back, I want to hone in on some of the things that you were talking about via ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and other drugs.
	It is making sense of the madness and we'll be back after this.
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	And we are back with Dr. Simone Gold and John Riche.
	Now, one of the really frightening aspects, again, of that time period is that they were restricting drugs that had already been approved that were cheap and generic.
	And they were also demonizing and sometimes charging medical professionals for daring to use traditional items like vitamin C, vitamin D infusions.
	Really things that have been accepted as building our immune systems and being good for us, I don't know, my entire life.
	And what is also extremely troubling is then when you talk about repurposing drugs, there were even a ton of mainstream pieces about how drugs were now being repurposed for different types of cancer to treat them.
	Right now, a lot of people are having the conversation about fenbenzadol and menbenzadol, something I've been reporting on for six-plus years.
	But literally, with the snap of a finger, the establishment and the narrative changed and flipped it on its head that you couldn't give antibiotics to patients, that some people were also being misdiagnosed with the COVID virus that maybe had the traditional flu.
	After all, the WHO, the good people there, told us that the flu disappeared.
	From the northern and southern hemisphere for the first time period ever.
	Obviously something that didn't happen.
	So when we talk about that aspect, Dr. Gold, the restriction access of cheap and available drugs, the suppression of information that these drugs can be used for a multitude of uses, how does GoldCare.com differ from that?
	I challenge you to come up with any scenario where we can't help you.
	We have thought through this very carefully.
	We've been working on this for three years.
	I have almost 200 physicians with us.
	We have naturopath doctors, functional doctors, traditional medical doctors like myself.
	There really is no situation that we can't help you.
	We know all about the fembendazole and mabendazole for cancer treatments.
	We have people who specialize in that.
	We've solved the pharmacy problem.
	We've solved...
	You have a question about bird flu and you'd like to get your hands on ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.
	We have solved that for you.
	Really, the shortest...
	The thing I can tell you is if you've got a medical situation or a medical question because you don't know if it's coming, like you live in California and the governor declares an emergency over bird flu and you want to know, is that a real thing?
	Do I need to be worried about that?
	We've got answers for you and it's very easy, very straightforward, very user-friendly website.
	We have doctors in every state and we built this as the medical...
	Freedom Platform Solution.
	It's a medical platform, medical freedom platform solution.
	Very easy to use.
	I hope you come join us.
	And, you know, we have our eye on the cancer treatment.
	It's something that we, I don't want to say specialize in, but it's something that we help people with.
	A lot of people come to us because they've got questions in the alternative cancer treatment space.
	So we've built it.
	Now you've got to come.
	Well, Dr. Gold, I'm just going to say I'm not a doctor.
	I'm not telling.
	Anybody want to do.
	You are.
	And you've got a bunch of other medical professionals.
	And I like choice.
	All right?
	That's a big thing.
	I don't like things being hammered down my throat.
	I want the ability to read the white papers, to watch the lectures, to see the clinical trial data, not have it hidden from me for 50 to 70 to 100 plus years.
	I mean, that's insane.
	You know, John, you talked about how you came into this.
	As a patient and looking and reading and watching people like Gold, like Malone, prior to the COVID-1984 nightmare, what was kind of your viewpoint?
	Were you really just kind of almost straight down the line conservative?
	Did you not believe anything as nefarious as what did occur, could occur?
	And how has that shifted now into 2025?
	I mean, you're doing music videos with Tom McDonald, my friend.
	Fun ones, too, by the way.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Love, Tom.
	No, man, I was just your run-of-the-mill American guy when it came to my doctor.
	If the doctor says it, that's what it is.
	I'll do what the doctor says.
	And again, I think in the past four years, the biggest benefit out of that was Americans like myself, who are educated, intelligent, hardworking people, had the blinders lifted.
	Because of the pain we were being subjected to and the tyranny we were being subjected to, it forced us to dig deeper down in and start asking questions that had never crossed our minds before, and we didn't like the answers that we got.
	And you could really sum it up that anybody that was being censored, anybody that was being shouted down in the mainstream media or demonized, those are the people you could trust.
	That was the ultimate litmus test.
	Is this person telling me the truth?
	Well, does everybody in the mainstream media hate them?
	Yes.
	Then I trust them.
	Because I don't trust the system.
	It's the simple phrase about Donald Trump.
	The system is evil and the system hates Donald Trump.
	So what does that tell you about Donald Trump?
	He is the enemy of the evil system.
	And I think we applied that to everything we looked at.
	But when you start talking about your health and your kids and your parents, Your mother and father and mother and father-in-law and people you care about, people you would die for.
	And then you realize that you've been being lied to.
	All of a sudden, everything looks different.
	I personally have stopped using two medications that I was told to use back in my 20s.
	Okay, I'm 51. At 23, I had a doctor that put me on a couple of things.
	He said, these are hereditary problems.
	You're going to need to be on this probably the rest of your life.
	And even in the past year, I have learned, oh, those are not good things to be taking, especially for long periods of time.
	And so I just stopped taking them and replaced those things with supplements that basically do the same job.
	And I feel a whole lot better.
	I mean, I noticed it.
	Noticeable difference.
	And so this is the kind of stuff I get off of goldcare.com.
	People ask, Why are you linked up with Dr. Gold?
	I don't know how many PhDs you have, Dr. Gold, but it's a lot.
	And I'm a high school graduate.
	I'm a self-made, just went out and banged my way through the music business as a songwriter and built a pretty good career.
	But why are we teamed up?
	Well, because she is the medical side.
	She's a hero, by the way.
	A hero.
	Absolute American hero.
	On her side, she knows what she's talking about.
	She understands the system, and she's built an alternative for us.
	And then I'm on the other side as just a patient, as just a dad, a guy trying to figure this out.
	And I represent the hundreds of millions of people out across the country who have had the same problems I've had.
	And I'm helping get the word out, you know, thanks to my music.
	Fanbase and what I've got on social media and so forth, I'm able to talk to a lot of people.
	And to me, this is an important thing for people to understand exists now, gocare.com.
	I just want to, Jason, with John's indulgence, because he mentioned it, but this is actually exactly what happened.
	We knew each other.
	We have been on the Patriot circuit.
	That's how we knew each other for a few years.
	But he had a couple of medical questions, and he made an appointment at GoldCare.
	And by the way, it wasn't with me.
	We have about 200 medical professionals.
	And John, I never told you, but I kind of held my breath.
	I'm like, you know, I think she's good.
	I hope she's good.
	You know, you picked who you picked.
	I didn't pick the person.
	And he goes through it with her, and he learns in that appointment that he doesn't have to take these medicines that he's been on for years.
	And these are common situations that people have.
	You know, the hyper, the statin medicines, the Lipitor medicines is the number one seller for the big pharma industry, right?
	So they've got a big financial incentive to keep selling it.
	Other things that are common, antihypertensive, the psychiatric medicines, very, very common.
	The antacid medicines, very, very common.
	These are common problems.
	Many of your viewers have these problems and have probably wondered, do I really need these medicines?
	And now you have a person who came in as a patient.
	And learned some facts for himself, and he made up his own mind about how to proceed, and it turned out it was without Big Pharma.
	Absolutely, and I'm a big supplements guy, and I want to hone in in these final few minutes of the segment on alternative methods of doing this.
	You know, I've been in the alt media now almost 20 years, put out my first documentary in 2005, and there's a lot of complaining.
	There's a lot of pointing at what's wrong, and that's good.
	We've got to inform people, right?
	But we do have to set up these different parallel economic and really educational and medical systems.
	And this is that system that allows you to be so much more part of your health.
	So in that, you know, these final few minutes, Dr. Gold, explain to people how, you know, this is a substitute fully for the traditional system.
	And hopefully we're going to see more of this, I would say, in a multitude of arenas under this administration.
	Listen, let you hit the nail on the head.
	We need patriot solutions.
	We need to get back to people being empowered to take care of themselves.
	We were all hoodwinked in 2020 to think that we had to get the answers from the experts.
	As you said at the top of the show, the individual, the patient, is the one who cares the most about their health.
	You're invested.
	The current system, Doesn't really allow you to make the best choices for yourself.
	Why is that?
	Because there's a lot of interest, financial interest, in keeping you just as a cog in the wheel.
	We've removed all those obstacles.
	We invite you in to be the pilot, the captain of your ship in terms of what happens to you and your health.
	We throw open the doors.
	We don't have any secrets.
	We do webinars.
	All the time that are open to the public, that are included with your $10 monthly membership.
	We want you to be empowered, educated.
	We believe in your ability to make the best decision for yourself.
	You cannot get this in the outside world.
	I invite everybody to come join us.
	It's for everybody.
	Thank you, Dr. Gold.
	John, what would you like to leave the audience with?
	One of the things that I learned on my little 15 minutes with one of the doctors at GoCare.com, she asked, what supplements are you on?
	So I went through them, and she said, oh, you're taking B-Complex?
	I said, yeah, every day.
	She goes, that's good.
	Make sure it doesn't have, and I've got it written down, cyanacobalamin.
	Cyanacobalamin.
	I went, what is that?
	She goes, just see if it's got it on there.
	And if it does, go look up that word.
	Well, sure enough, I looked at my bottle, and it's got the word on it.
	I looked it up.
	Do you know what that is?
	That is a cyanide molecule.
	It's a cyanide molecule.
	It's synthetic B12 with a cyanide molecule in it that I've been taking forever.
	I've been taking a little bit of cyanide every single day.
	No wonder I'm crazy in the head sometimes, right?
	So the things I learned off GoCare.com, man, I look at them as revolutionary things.
	$20 a month?
	Listen, I grew up in a double-wide trailer in Texas.
	I did not come from money.
	And $20 a month?
	Even when times are tough, most people can still peel off $20 a month, especially if they have access to what Dr. Gold is bringing to the table.
	And that's the only reason I'm here, is just to let people know this thing really does work.
	Dr. Gold, John Rich, thank you so much for joining us.
	We're going to take another break.
	We're going to come back.
	We're going to talk Alan Dershowitz and Beyond with Solomon Schmidt.
	You're not going to want to miss it.
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	We are now joined by Solomon Schmidt, the author of Legal Gladiator, The Life of Alan Dershowitz.
	Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
	First of all, let's get your background and why you chose Alan Dershowitz as a subject matter.
	Good to be here, Jason.
	Thanks for having me on.
	So there's, I started writing a series for kids called History Bites.
	When I was 11 years old, I always loved American history.
	And my first book was called U.S. History Bites.
	It overviewed 30 major events of American history from Columbus to modern day with pictures and fun facts and a little bobblehead of my face and review questions and ways to make learning history fun for kids.
	And I did eight books in that series and met a lot of young kids who have...
	I used them and loved them, and that's really gratifying to me because it shows that history can be fun to kids.
	I guess it's just the way it's presented.
	So that was my first book was U.S. History Bites and then became the History Bites series and a tie-in YouTube channel.
	I became interested in interviewing Alan Dershowitz on my History Bites.
	YouTube channel because of his expertise on the Constitution and his status as a Harvard Law professor.
	And the more I researched his life to do a potential interview, the more I realized this would make a fascinating biography.
	And then I come to find out it's never been done.
	Fast forward two and a half years when I was with Professor Dershowitz on Martha's Vineyard at one point.
	We were driving together and I said, Alan, I've been wanting to ask you a question for a long time.
	Why didn't anyone else do a biography about you?
	And he said, someone started to here on the Vineyard back in 2018 and stopped when I went on the floor of the Senate to represent Donald Trump.
	Well, without trying to be smug, there lost my gain.
	And when I began researching his life more in depth, before I even contacted him, I did several months of reading his books.
	Reaching out to people who had known him, I interviewed his only living professor at Yale University, who was 93, Guido Calabresi, and a few other people, before I then was able to get in touch with Professor Dershowitz and ask if he would cooperate with the book, which he was very interested to do.
	And he gave me access to his archives at Brooklyn College, hundreds of thousands of documents, from his high school all the way up.
	To his years at Harvard and beyond.
	And I continued with the book and finished it because of sheer fascination with his career.
	Folks don't have to like him to find his accomplishments staggering.
	I mean, just to rattle off some which your viewers may be familiar with.
	As a lawyer, he's done upwards of 300 cases.
	The Mike Tyson rape appeal, the O.J. Simpson case.
	Jim Baker, Klaus von Bulow, Woody Allen vs.
	Mia Farrow, Jeffrey Epstein, President Trump.
	He was Bill Clinton's lawyer, or one of them in the impeachment back in the 90s.
	He's written almost 60 books, which have sold millions of copies.
	As a Zionist, he's been on the world stage for Israel since the 70s, when he first debated Noam Chomsky in 73. He's known Benjamin Netanyahu.
	For 52 years and virtually every Israeli Prime Minister since Golda Meir.
	And as a Harvard Law professor, he was tenured at 27 years old, youngest in the history of the school.
	And over 50 years, he taught 10,000 or so students, including a little name-dropping alert here, Ted Cruz, Jamie Raskin, Mike Pompeo, Elliot Spitzer, all of whom I talked to for this book.
	And other folks who came out of the woodwork to give interviews include O.J. Simpson.
	I talked to O.J. three months before he died.
	Mike Tyson, Jared Kushner, President Trump, Mike Huckabee, Megyn Kelly, Geraldo Rivera, Stephen Breyer, on and on and on.
	It's a virtual cast of characters, in some ways, of the last 30, 40, 50 years of American history.
	And the interesting thing is that, yes, Folks had negative things to say about him, and I included quite a few negative quotes from Noam Chomsky, Glenn Greenwald, other people who have been foes of Alan Dershowitz for many years.
	The fascinating thing was that people on both sides of the aisle, political aisle, felt he was influential and important enough to give of their time to share anecdotes for this book.
	So when I mentioned Noam Chomsky...
	One of the interesting things, or something folks may find interesting, Dershowitz didn't read a single word of the book before it was published.
	And after it was published and he read it like everyone else did, he said he liked the writing, which was great to hear, but he was surprised at the amount I quoted his critics, people like Noam Chomsky.
	So that was funny to me.
	Grateful to hear he liked the writing because there's really no higher compliment than to hear that the book was interesting at the very least.
	So I haven't read the book.
	Now, I am one of the, I would say, there are certain things, obviously, his work on the Trump impeachment hearing, I'm all for.
	But like you said, you know, I had had Alan on the show maybe a couple years ago, I was supposed to.
	And my introduction was that he was probably the most notorious lawyer of our generation.
	I think that's an acceptable word.
	I don't know anybody else.
	I mean, he walked off just in that intro.
	But I think notorious is the way.
	I mean, think about the names that you just went down the line on.
	You know, that doesn't mean I'm necessarily a pro-Chomsky guy.
	Certain things I would agree with Chomsky on in that situation.
	Certain things with Dershowitz when you're talking about that argument.
	But like you said, it goes all the way back.
	You talk about OJ. I mean, that was such a cultural moment on so many levels.
	I remember being in high school when the verdict was read, not guilty.
	I believe he's the last surviving member of at least the main part of that legal team.
	F. Lee Bailey, long gone, Kardashian, long gone, etc.
	That's just one case.
	You mentioned Epstein.
	I was wondering if we were going to be able to get into that.
	I mean, he's the guy.
	That gets the sweetheart deal done in Florida.
	So number one, before we get into all those, you know, obviously a wide array of topics that I'm sure you do cover in the book, how long does a project like this take?
	You know, you talked about meeting him, talking it over, but then once you have all that documentation that you just mentioned, and you're doing all these interviews, You know, I'm a documentary filmmaker.
	I know how it is.
	You sit there with three, four hours with somebody.
	If it's on camera for five minutes, that's actually a lot.
	So even in a book, I'm sure you did interviews for hours.
	And then if you were to cut down the pages they were in, you could probably mash them out in 20 minutes, right?
	Like that's usually how it goes.
	So what's that process for you?
	And then how long did this thing take to put together?
	None of this is meant to brag, but it was an extraordinary amount of work over the course of about three years.
	I did about 100 interviews with various folks and probably 50 hours worth of interviews with Dershowitz in person and virtual.
	I made 10 trips to Brooklyn College in New York City.
	To research in his archives there, where there are letters, legal memos, diaries, calendars, newspaper clippings, etc.
	I have a document of notes, which are collections of relevant points from interviews I did or from the archives I researched in.
	100, 150 or so books I consulted and articles and YouTube videos with old interviews.
	And that document, which I've called the grocery store because it's where I go as I'm writing and pick my items out for each section, that document was a million words, which is twice the length of The Lord of the Rings.
	But it was a real pleasure in some ways.
	It was sad in a lot of ways because With Dershowitz's life, in some ways you're going from train wreck to train wreck to train wreck, meaning the cases he was involved in are often stories of human tragedies on a profound level.
	But it was an education, an immense education.
	I was partway through a bachelor's degree in American history at the State University of New York when I began researching Dershowitz's life and then eventually when I I interacted with and met him.
	And at the advice of mentor figures in my life, I put my college education on hold for the period of time where I was researching this book.
	And as much as I love my professor and mentor from university, I don't regret it for a second.
	And the folks I got to speak with about Dershowitz, again, it speaks to Dershowitz's significance, but it was also fascinating to talk with Jamie Raskin.
	OJ and Mike Tyson and Jim Baker and all these different folks.
	So you're a SUNY guy.
	I'm also a SUNY guy.
	I'm a beauty school dropout.
	Which SUNY school were you attending?
	I'm an Oneonta guy.
	You strike me as like a SUNY Albany guy, but maybe not.
	When you're talking about these interviews, in particular with Alan himself, you're talking about 50 hours plus.
	What is the take on the origin story?
	First, I want to know what university you went to.
	But like, you know, out of all this, first of all, I would assume, you know, you're going to have to take a lot of, you know, firsthand stuff.
	Like you said, you got to talk to one of his university professors.
	No offense, Alan's an older guy.
	There's not going to be a lot of people on the peripheral to tell you about his youth.
	But what did you find?
	And what do you think compelled him to get into the arena of law?
	First question, I went to Empire State College, which is SUNY's fully online division.
	And that worked well for me.
	I still live at home with my parents.
	I have fabulous parents who have supported me in so many ways.
	And I went to private school K-4 and then was homeschooled fifth to graduation.
	And homeschooling gets quite a bad rap.
	But my mother was fantastic and the curriculum was fantastic.
	And the homeschooling families I meet, by and large, are fantastic.
	Country-loving, family-loving people.
	On the Dershowitz question, when it relates to his childhood, I was fortunate in having access to Dershowitz's brother, Nathan.
	And there's quite a sad story there because he and his brother have become estranged over the years, which I document in the book.
	In fact, a number of quotes from his brother are quite unflattering.
	Including around the Epstein situation, and it's very sad.
	I also talked to childhood friends of Dershowitz, people who knew him from the time he was four years old, and classmates of his.
	Him getting into the law was an organic process.
	As far as I know, he didn't have an epiphany moment where he said, I gotta be a lawyer.
	There was a story in high school when he was taken into his principal's office at one point.
	And the rabbi said to him, look, Dershowitz, you got a big mouth, so you can be one of two things.
	You can be a conservative rabbi, because the rabbi he was talking to was Orthodox.
	You can be a conservative rabbi, or you should become a lawyer.
	But Dershowitz went off to Brooklyn College after a high school friend of his became the first person to tell him, you're smart.
	And I say the first person to tell him that because up to the age of about 15, 16, Dershowitz was known around the community as a troublemaker.
	He had horrible grades in school.
	He was terribly behaved at home, pulled pranks on his teachers.
	He would mimic the sound of air raid alarm systems in front of a teacher of his who had survived air raids and the Holocaust in World War II. He admits to being a total jerk.
	There was a mother in his neighborhood who told their daughter, basically, there's a boy with no future.
	But it turned out, when you look back at the stories and anecdotes of Dershowitz's youth, he was a very bright kid and a brilliant kid and a sharp kid.
	He was just putting his mind to stupid, youthful uses in some cases.
	And when he was in high school, He was always asking good questions.
	Questions like, where did Cain get his wife from in Old Testament classes?
	I don't think anybody could challenge the fact that Alan Dershowitz is an extremely intelligent individual.
	We've got to take one more break in the show.
	When we come back, we're going to continue to talk about Legal Gladiator, the life of Alan Dershowitz.
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	And we are back with Solomon Schmidt.
	So, Solomon, you know, you talk about meeting his estranged brother.
	You have mentioned Epstein twice.
	You spent a lot of time with Alan himself.
	You named a slew of other, you know, pop culture cast characters of the last, you know, 40, 50 years.
	When you look back at this book, number one, what did you find maybe gave you the most admiration for Alan Dershowitz?
	And then what's the story or the event that maybe caused you the most concern and maybe had you look at him in a more negative light?
	What gave me the most admiration for Dershowitz, and I think any objective, fair-minded person could have admiration for this, is his human rights work in the 1970s and 80s.
	Because of Alan Dershowitz, or in part because of Alan Dershowitz's work, there are people who are reunited with their families in free democratic countries, or in some cases, alive, because of his advocacy work.
	I spoke with a man who spent 10 years in a Soviet prison for a crime he did not commit.
	Four of those years were in solitary confinement.
	Alan Dershowitz was not related to him.
	Alan Dershowitz did not know him before taking on the case.
	Dershowitz spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours over a 10-year period lobbying for this man, doing grunt work to raise awareness in campaigns around the country for this man's story, in advocating for him.
	With friends and in meetings and in speeches for a man he did not know, simply because Dershowitz claims he felt it was his obligation to do as not only a fellow Jewish person, but as someone who cares about human rights.
	And this was right around the time where Dershowitz was becoming friendly with Elie Wiesel, the famous Holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz.
	And there are other stories I could go into.
	Pinkas Pinkasov, a one-legged carpenter who was sent to prison in the Soviet Union because he wanted to immigrate to Israel.
	And the Soviets made up a charge that he had overpriced his carpentry services.
	And here was something that shocked me and impressed upon me, the importance of defense attorneys, even if people don't like them, even if there are sleazebags among that profession.
	In that case of the one-legged carpenter, Pinkhas, because he was tried in a political case, he could only have a lawyer who had been issued a permit from the government called Adapisk.
	He was trapped.
	And that right there shows the importance of the system our founding fathers gave to us.
	And Dershowitz isn't wrong when...
	He sees that work in some ways as going right back to the founding of our nation.
	People like John Adams, who was a defense attorney who represented the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre case.
	That's not me saying defense attorneys are the most wonderful people who ever lived.
	It's just an interesting thing to think about.
	So Dershowitz's human rights work absolutely gives, I think, anyone admiration for him on some level.
	I don't like talking about Dershowitz's negative qualities because although I tried diligently to write an objective book, and I think that's in some ways my number one goal as a historian is to be as objective and neutral and fair as possible.
	I came to like Dershowitz as a person, full disclosure, as a friend, as a person.
	He has flaws like...
	Like all of us, I would say that there are negative qualities that people around him will point out.
	Some people described him as being very short and brief to the point of seeming rude.
	People like his brother think that he hung around people like Epstein in some ways simply because he likes hanging around prominent.
	And rich and influential people, possibly because it just feeds his ego.
	And a lot of people have pointed out that he has an insatiable desire to be in front of the media.
	But then, of course, the other side of that is that he's a lawyer and a darn good businessman.
	And the way you sell books and the way you get your opinions heard is by having good relationships with the media.
	So even that has a counter-argument.
	And so I guess I would say, in the interest of being fair, as I read through the book, it seems to me a very fair criticism of Dershowitz is that he should never have spent time with Jeffrey Epstein.
	And Dershowitz himself regrets that.
	I've spent time with him at his Brooklyn apartment.
	And at one point, while I was looking out at the East River as the sun was setting and...
	Dersh was on the couch behind me.
	I said, Alan, do you have any regrets from your life?
	Without hesitation.
	He goes, I wish I had never laid eyes on Jeffrey Epstein.
	And that, of course, is because of the accusation brought against Dershowitz from Virginia Giuffre.
	I explore all of this.
	I explore Epstein and Dershowitz's relationship with him.
	I found exchanges of emails between...
	Dershowitz and Prince Andrew in the Brooklyn College Archives in 2001, several years before the plea deal, which folks can read midway through the book.
	I include pictures of him with Epstein.
	I asked Dershowitz as many questions as I could possibly think related to Epstein.
	People who read the book will, on some level, learn more about Jeffrey and his personality and some of the people he hung around with.
	And that case was simply Dershowitz playing around fire.
	Not playing around.
	That's a very loaded comparison.
	What I simply mean is, you hang around fire, you're going to get burned.
	And that's exactly what, you know, just because we are talking about, you know, you just mentioned Virginia Gaffray Roberts, but Les Wexner is obviously a big part of that as well.
	And that's probably one of the most recent cases that Alan Dershowitz was involved with.
	A lot of people don't know that.
	Do you explore that at all?
	Because that is extremely recent.
	I am not as well versed on the Lesley Wexner element of the Epstein saga.
	I did include...
	Some quotes from Dershowitz about Wexner.
	I'm not sure how close he was.
	One of the things I learned from Dershowitz, which I put in the book, is that one of the main theories he's heard regarding how Epstein made his money is that Epstein and Wexner engaged in a homosexual relationship and then Epstein extorted Wexner on that front.
	And that's one of the theories that Dershowitz has heard that he put in the book for me to quote.
	As far as I know, Dershowitz is not close to Leslie Wexner now.
	He's close to a lot of rich and influential people, but I'm not aware of a close relationship between them.
	Let me just say this, Solomon.
	Right now, that is a huge story.
	I've been covering the Epstein case since 2008. And that is the first time that I have ever heard about Jeffrey Epstein extorting Leslie Wexner based on a homosexual relationship.
	And you're saying that's a direct quote from Alan Dershowitz?
	Dershowitz is very careful in what he makes as quotes.
	He said, one of the theories I have heard is that.
	That was the quote.
	Oh, listen.
	We're clipping this.
	That's going to be breaking news.
	Solomon Schmidt, we've got about 30 seconds for you to pitch the book and let everybody know where to get it and how they can support you, sir.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you, Jason.
	You can find the book at all the usual places, Amazon, Barnes& Noble.
	And for a little shameless self-promotion, my website is solomonschmidt.com.
	You can find a link to purchase the book and learn more about it there.
	Solomon Schmidt, everybody.
	Really interesting conversation.
	Legal gladiator, the life of Alan Dershowitz.
	You know the drill with this guy, folks.
	It is not about left or right.
	It is always about right and wrong.
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