Jason Bermas on today's News Talk TNT. Final segment of the show before we kick off the weekend.
And we've got our January 6th expert with us, Alicia Powell.
You can find her work over at the Gateway Pundit.
Alicia, thank you so much for joining us.
Now, before we get into the news of a couple more...
Five-year sentences being rolled out in these January 6th cases.
Recently, you put out your first part about Ray Epps.
It's exclusively over at the Gateway Pundit.
You've got a follow-up coming up this week.
Tell us about the first part and then give us a little teaser on the second.
Well, you go on a mission hunting for the truth to expose January 6th to help these defendants and watch out what you ask for because some of the stuff that lands on my desk is just ridiculous.
Like this interview of Ray Epps, he calls the FBI on January 8th and asks the FBI to remove his picture from the most wanted list.
And along the way, he lies.
We've heard Ray Epps lie, purge himself before the House Select Committee.
We've heard him go on 60 Minutes and lie.
And if you actually investigate footage that day, these are demonstrable lies he's told to the public on numerous high-profile settings, like under oath in Congress.
But... When you lie to the FBI, it's not just another lie.
This is a violation of federal law.
In fact, each lie he tells to the FBI would qualify as another violation of federal law.
And that law is U.S. Code 1001, 18 Section 1001.
And this is a law that's been...
DOJ has used to prosecute General Flynn and Roger Stone when they sit them down to talk on numerous interviews and you get a word mixed up.
It's pretty much entrapment, if you're a Trump associate, to not get your story right when you're talking to the feds in an interview.
But we have this man who suspiciously tells people to go into the building all across the night of January 5th.
All throughout the morning on January 6th, he says he stopped to hear President Trump's speech.
Go look at the footage the whole time.
He's saying, I need you to go in the building.
Oh, into the building.
So, I mean, if it's not more flagrant lies, that's a mockery of our republic and a denigration of all these veterans and strong men who are sitting in prison for petty misdemeanors or just for protesting.
I don't know what is.
It is very sad, and as I mentioned, we do have two more sentences, five years, half a decade in prison.
And remember, these cases have now been running three-plus years in some instances.
Not to mention, many of these people were held in solitary confinement, despite the fact that they did not have criminal records previously, and many of them were in law enforcement and veterans, Alicia.
Oh, yeah. Solitary confinement is just a regular thing now.
This is becoming an everyday thing for Americans.
The impoveritizing, put us all in poverty, put us all in prison.
Now it's just like a regular thing.
So when are you getting sentenced?
Oh, they got so-and-so in solitary confinement.
Oh, when are you going to make a visit to the prison?
This is like a common thing all of a sudden.
And then you see, as I scroll through Twitter, the FBI is just talking, we arrested another person for January 6th.
We arrested a Virginia man, 36, arrested for protesting.
And they're still arresting people this week.
I saw four people got arrested.
For what? While we see these pro-Hamas demonstrators Peacefully parading, throwing CS gas at police, pulling down White House fences and gates.
No FBI raids on their homes.
No FBI terrorism against these families for protesting.
And yeah, there's solitary confinement.
We've got at least two J6ers, Ryan Samsel and Jake Ling in solitary confinement.
The amount of torture that this guy, Ryan Samsel, who ray ups calls the FBI to criminally implicate,
amount of torture Samsel has endured is absolutely ridiculous.
And people want to say he's lying.
We got his medical documents.
I mean, he asked the guards for toilet paper after he refuses to take a plea deal.
The guards take him to the back.
I mean, obviously, if you don't cooperate with the government, there's a price to pay for some of these defendants, whether it be a 20-year prison sentence or getting beat and throwing in a six-by-eight little hole for the next four or five months.
And so when they didn't give him toilet paper after he asked for it all day, after he didn't cooperate with the FBI, they beat the living daylights out of him.
His face looks like a hamburger, a raw hamburger meat when he's done.
And I'm looking through his medical reports and corroborating all these stories that we heard over the months.
And it's just insane.
I can go on and on for days about the trauma I've endured by being vicariously watching all this happen in our country and watching this happen to innocent people where these judges These judges are criminals and they are making a mockery.
The Constitution doesn't exist anymore.
Congress needs to relocate these trials and these judges should not be sitting on the bench.
They should be in prison. Well, Trump has said, he's kind of reiterated just in the past week, not so much that he's even going to look at these, but a lot of these people are going to be immediately pardoned, which obviously they should be if in fact he is able to get back into office.
But unfortunately, as you well know, the people that are sitting there rotting behind bars, the appellate process is not a quick one and it's not a cheap one.
Some of these people aside, From being physically tortured, etc., beaten, like you said, have also been financially stripped of everything, Alicia.
Oh my gosh, just to pay for a lawyer for three years to take your case, and some of these lawyers do absolutely nothing, don't answer your phone call.
So you give this lawyer $20,000, then that lawyer, he doesn't do anything, takes the money, then you give another lawyer $20,000.
Who has $20,000 in this inflated installed dictatorships economy?
I mean, it's a heavy ordeal to pay finance.
It's a financial pit for them and their families.
And, you know, I'm so grateful.
The Gateway Pundit, I would say, has helped these J6 defendants more than any other entity raise money for their attorneys and help their families make ends meet.
I'm so grateful to be a part of a publication and a group of journalists that did not leave these folks behind and call them insurrectionists.
I can look at some of the journalists who aren't covering this issue, even though they have headquarters in D.C. They don't make it to the courthouse where President Trump is being tried, and you're calling them insurrectionists.
Half of these journalists were there on January 6, too.
So it's a lot of hypocrisy.
I am optimistic.
I think the work that we do will reap results collectively and individually.
And I think we got to start suing, Jason.
I think, why is it we are getting sued left and right as people who speak the truth?
Forget about conservatives and Democrats.
You speak the truth, you get censored and banned.
And we never sue.
Why don't we sue CNN and sue the federal government for a depopulation effort with COVID? If you didn't think a mask was safe and effective, you got kicked off the web.
If you didn't think Hillary Clinton, if you contest the election fraud at all, you get kicked off the web.
Why don't we sue? It's funny you mention that.
When we talk about the lawsuits, for instance, I just interviewed Christina Erso on my other program, and she did kidnap and kill an FBI terror plot in regards to the situation in Michigan.
And right now, two of the people that have been convicted are in their appellate process.
But she was talking about the fact that four of these individuals that had been completely exonerated had clearly
been set up as they were all set up and entrapped.
They could not find a lawyer to sue the FBI after the fact.
They said, she said it was near impossible for them to find representation that was daring to take on the FBI because
of the political intimidation and quite frankly, retaliation you receive for daring, daring to expose the corruption of
these three letter agencies, Alicia.
Unfortunately, a lot of this atmosphere in the courthouse with January 6, it's a lot like being in college when I was
with January 6, it's a lot like being in college when I was only conservative in class and
only conservative in class and everybody's being indoctrinated Unfortunately, a lot of this atmosphere in the courthouse
everybody was being indoctrinated to be a good communist, a good Karl Marx sycophant, and nobody wants to
raise their hand. Everybody's just going along with it. I think it's the same. These are where our
lawyers are coming from because there's a lot of weakness and cowardice. I'm scared of the FBI.
Okay, well, I'm a journalist. I'm speaking the truth. I'm sitting here speaking truth to justice. Dude,
they could come knock on my door.
We're going to stop. We're going to bend the knee and just let them take over everything. I think
the lawyers, and this is not to criticize because a lot of these lawyers take these cases for free.
It's not all bad.
It's not all one-sided. And they've worked in this for months, like the Proud Boys trial.
Nobody was prepared to sit in that courthouse for six months in a kangaroo court.
It was real time.
There is no constitution.
And everything you say is against the law.
If you like George Washington, you better watch out.
But... Let me talk about that for a second because a lot of people, I mentioned this earlier today, they watch Law& Order, they think it's just like that, they think you get your day in court, that you get to present your evidence, and that's cartoon world.
That's not what's happening.
You just mentioned George Washington.
So one of the things that they used in some of these cases was that you had individuals that had posted on social media the very famous quote that the It's a historical quote, that's all it is.
Insurrectionist, domestic terrorist, white supremacist, all the tropes come out because you quoted the founding fathers and why the First Amendment is the first, and why the Second Amendment is there to protect the First Amendment.
And this is why they say outright, and they're telling the truth, oh, January 6th, there's another 9-11, another Pearl Harbor.
Well, this is where they get to murder, rape, and pillage the First Amendment and your Second Amendment they dismantle by the end of the day because police are out loud to shoot you in the face, see you ass, ass, you beat you down, and God forbid you defend yourself.
So the Second Amendment's out the door, too.
But during Enrique Tarrio's sentencing hearing, for example...
Judge Kelly says, you compared Dominic Pozzola when he broke the window of the Capitol building to George Washington.
You think it's funny?
Terror enhancement. He says to Zachary Rail, you did interviews, which actually is with the Gateway Pundit, in which you said that this is a communist dictatorship and Joe Biden did not legitimately win the election.
Terror enhancement.
What the... What the heck is that?
I mean, it goes on. Judge Metta to Stuart Rhodes.
Oh, you can go in gateway pundit.
I mean, the transcript.
You did interviews and insisted the election was stolen and that you take it upon yourself to emulate the founding fathers.
And when you emulate the founding fathers, the government is in danger.
So, terror enhancement.
So, it's very dangerous if we continue to let this happen.
But you already have the government surveilling your phone call.
So, if they surveil you, they can surveil, like, the next...
Everyone else in your phone, that's been uncovered when they were subpoenaing and surveilling members of Congress, doctoring their text messages during the House Select Committee, and we have no free speech in this country.
If we let these verdicts sustain, if we let the precedent set here endure, we're gone, our nation's gone, and we're all slaves.
So we need to get it together, Jason.
We do need to get it together, but you know, you just mentioned these terror enhancements.
Simply for making statements like you're not allowed to have an opinion on the election, let alone present evidence.
And we have a court system that says, hey, we're not even going to look at the evidence.
In fact, you don't have standing.
And by the way, you said the wrong thing.
Now we're going to criminally charge you for questioning election and wage lawfare that you couldn't possibly afford so that you will plea down.
I don't see this ending anytime soon.
I think that the 2024 election, of course, is very important.
But if we are not, in fact, able to change the current regime, I don't have much hope that this does change in the right direction.
So what do you think people have to do right now to encourage actual change and accountability?
And will we get that if, in fact, Donald Trump is elected again?
It's really hard to say what the collective should do, what we should do.
I know everyone who's doing good work is doing their part.
Everyone keeps doing their part.
If I put out a good release, you put out a good release.
We're exposing them. They're exposing them.
And everyone kind of just removes their ego and competitive narcissism out the way and just do good work.
I think that that will definitely help.
But the good news is I've been hearing from a lot of the prisoners, whether it's Joe Biggs I spoke to the other day or all of them.
They, like, let's say the folks in the D.C. Gulag, things have changed there.
So when they first got in the jail, they were the white supremacists, the insurrectionists, Trump boys, whatever.
Guess what? Now everybody in jail loves Trump.
Now they're like, listen, Trump just called you a hostage.
You're going to be out of here soon.
We're happy for you.
They actually treat, not this is not everybody, but a lot of the guys are received in the jail like heroes or like political prisoners.
Like, they're not, oh, we look up to you.
You're not a criminal. Like, all you did that day is walk around.
Like, and they see that Joe Biden is a scumbag.
And this is why I think things are a little bit different than last time.
Sure, I would argue in 2020, Trump did a better job than any modern Republican president of winning over pop culture.
I mean, we had rap, people making rap videos across the country.
He even picked up Kim Kardashian and Kanye West at the celebrity prison reform.
They were ushering in the First Step Act, which thank God he achieved before January 6th to cut some of these sentencing down.
But this time, Jason...
Everybody sees the scandal.
Like, no one's gonna fall, like, everybody who is a normal, not everybody, but the plurality of Democrat voters are like, no, Joe Biden needs to get out of here.
What is he saying?
I mean, for once, it's good to go out with a bunch of Democrats and get along.
They don't hate you all of a sudden.
They're not calling you a coconut white supremacist, and they're Trump supporters.
A coconut white supremacist.
Folks, you can check out Alicia Powell's work over at The Gateway Pundit.
And please, please, please support journalism like hers that is on the ground and so important.
And this January 6th issue is still an issue that affects all of us.
It affects free speech.
It affects the very fabric of what once was a great constitutional republic and now has fallen into an authoritarian nightmare in so many regards.
Alicia, thank you once again.
I'm going to let you finish, but if Ray Epps ain't in jail, then no one should be in jail.
And if Ray Epps is not in prison, all of them need to let go.
With you on that, my friend.
All right, we're going to... Guys, another great show.
Another great week. I want to thank you for joining me here at TNT Radio.