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We are now joined by J. Michael Waller.
He is a senior analyst at the Center for Security Policy and the author of Big Intel, How the CIA and FBI Went from Cold War Heroes to Deep State Villains.
Thank you so much for joining us.
So as we kick it off, we're less than seven months away from this election.
What is the current state of the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI?
It's in a strange state because right now we're in a national emergency with terrorist threats inside our country and a probable war brewing in the Middle East.
And you've got half of the country doesn't trust our intelligence community.
So with that distrust, and you know, you just kind of hit on the fact that we are in these global conflicts in a manner that we haven't been in decades.
Many are trying to play down the possibility of an escalation on the way to this election.
But I see the very real possibility of a global conflict kicking off.
They often spark up and take off within a few months of smaller conflicts going on around the world.
But the fact of the matter is, Ukraine and Russia is not a small conflict by any means, and it has now been going on for a couple of years.
What's going on in the Middle East, the escalation there is now beyond six months.
And then you have the terror attacks within Russia.
And you also have the fact that we've had this wide open border in this country.
Do you think there's a possibility of a powder keg event?
What does that mean for the FBI and CIA?
And what does that mean for the election coming up?
Yeah.
Well, sure, there's a likelihood.
Just put yourself in the place of our foreign adversaries who mean us harm.
What would you do to us in our current situation with wide open borders, with a politicized intelligence community, with all the distrust that's happening, and then no consensus on where the country should be heading?
This is the perfect time for bad actors to cause us terrible trouble.
So do you think that's absolutely or not?
I mean, obviously there are no absolutes, right?
But right now, again, we're in April, okay?
You really don't have a president that's out there campaigning.
He's rarely talking about even what's going on with the foreign policy.
Others are doing that for him.
Trump is running on the other side.
He seems concerned with what's going on.
Any honest poll has him dominating in a national election.
But we see all these other polls that are across the mainstream media within MSNBC and CNN, and they pit it maybe four or five points at most, which is astounding.
The media has run cover for the economic situation that we're in.
And I would say even some establishment Republicans out there, if you're saying it's 18% at this point or another 3.5% this week, you're kind of lying to yourself.
I mean, if you look at how much goods have been up the last several years, we're really looking at 30, 40% minimum in most things that you need to live, whether that be housing, food, gasoline, you name it.
It's down the line.
So with that happening right now, what is your forecast?
And, you know, you've got people like John Brennan coming out of the woodwork saying that if Trump gets in there, Russia's going to have a field day.
Our enemies are going to take over, et cetera.
There's a lot of that spin right now.
He's not officially in the Central Intelligence Agency, but he sure seemed to have a role after the fact during the Trump administration.
I'll just say that.
So that's another question I'd have for you, you know, in this atmosphere.
What about these former Intel officials?
What can we expect from them?
Well, I would expect the worst from them.
And here's why.
I know a bunch of these guys.
Many of them are decent people, reasonable people, but then they went through some derangement after 2016 and became something that they never were.
And what you've had for the first time in our history is the politicization.
Of the intelligence community with senior intelligence officials who understand it's like senior military officials, once they retire, it's still perceived that they speak for their old services.
So when you have people like Brennan going out there, being really extreme and then radicalizing discussion, not offering any sober intelligence assessment, but going out there as the great leader of the American intelligence community but being really a political hack, you've got a problem, because now you have an energized leader to provide cover for other radicals within the intelligence community who don't put our national interests first.
Now, Brennan was obviously a part of the letter about the laptop being Russian disinformation.
Uh, there were other establishment people on there, such as Leon Panetta, who who do you think you're going to see come out of the woodwork right now on behalf of establishment?
Uh, talking points.
For instance, we've seen Bill Barr Uh, Contest Trump in the past get out there.
Even Mike Pompeo was discussing whether he was going to run for the presidency.
Um, do you think we're going to see some surprises coming from some people that didn't take part in this first smear campaign?
Uh, last election cycle?
Yeah, but I think the surprises are going to run two ways.
So I think there'll be some really neat surprises also.
They're just not, you know, not out there yet.
So not all is lost.
But in terms of bad surprises, you bet you have former Trump officials former, you know, conservative leaders, people like like Pompeo, for example Pompeo or Or Not or uh, Bill Barr solid Americans, but they really can't stand Trump as a person.
So they're saying what they think, but they're also being used by the other side to to fortify the regular Anti-trump movement to a degree that's going to be damaging to the country as well, because it looks like the whole national security community has broadened against Trump and a lot of the very angry and not always unjustified anger by former Trump officials or frustrations by former Trump officials is the other side's going to be taking advantage of it.
So so really, John Brennan calls the shots on this.
He's the one who's been rallying the intelligence community people.
He got sort of Republican leaning intelligence professionals, like like general Mike Hayden really involved and spun up about this.
So Hayden's lent his name to it and he's a very uh, solid career professional, the kind of guy you would really want running an intelligence service, or at least he used to be.
Now he's gone, you know, gone crazy just because of Donald Trump.
So.
So this is a danger if you, If you can't keep an intelligence community and a military community to maintain their professionalism, even in retirement, the way they always have, and to say it's the duty of all active intelligence officers, like the military, to follow the Constitution and to be answerable to the president, then we're going to be fine.
But they have done the opposite.
They're saying we think that the intelligence community and the military should be in active rebellion against the president, even if he's duly elected.
And there's something we can watch right now to get to another question of yours: what to look for and who to look for.
Look at Georgetown University Law Center.
That's the main law school in Washington that's really plugged into the whole legal community: the Justice Department, the FBI, the Supreme Court, the prosecutors.
And it's a big club, and their alumni is a big club.
But it's from there where they have a project to protect the Constitution that they have been running war games as they did in the previous election cycle to literally overthrow our constitutional form of government.
So these aren't just Yahoo outliers out there.
These are mainstream liberal law faculty, people tied into the Supreme Court.
One of them, Mary McFord, who's running this, her husband, his name is Sheldon Snook is his name.
He was part of the permanent bureaucracy inside the Supreme Court.
She's working with him.
She had been a senior Justice Department official in the National Security Division.
She was working, you know, meaning running Crossfire Hurricane, essentially, from the Justice Department.
So she and others have gotten together and they're war gaming out with Bill Crystal playing Donald Trump, with somebody else playing Tucker Carlson, who's going to bring up all these mobs.
Michael, we got to take a break.
I want to talk about those war games, the ones that preceded this.
You know, John Podesta was in on those as well.
He just got a position in the new administration.
We got to hit the headlines.
We're going to come back with J. Michael Waller after this more TNT Radio.
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And we are back with J. Michael Waller.
He's the author of Big Intel.
I want to hone in on these war games because a lot of people don't understand during the 2020 cycle.
Audit Election Games00:03:42
When I say they, like you said, people like William Crystal, big time Neocon, Podesta, others are running drills on how, if in fact Trump wins the election, they can supersede him actually taking the presidency.
That's a real thing.
In other words, not just a popular vote, but wins the Electoral College.
That was part of their drill.
Now, in contrast, after the election, essentially, you had people on the Trump team after I believe there was large-scale corruption.
It was very apparent that it had been stolen.
They went into their legal avenues to try to audit the election within states and nationally.
More times than not, everybody says, oh, they lost all those cases.
No, they didn't even look at those cases.
Again and again, we heard from these judicial systems, these people don't have standing.
That is a crazy.
And on the flip side of that, after they didn't have standing, they actually prosecuted many of the people around Trump who had these conversations to try to audit the election.
So on one hand, you openly have these people running war games on how to supersede our constitutional republic.
and free and fair elections.
On the other hand, after the fact that it does seem to be stolen, we have a system where they don't have standing to audit it at all.
And those that tried to audit it now are criminals or being charged with crimes themselves.
Is that an accurate description?
And go into some of these war games for us.
No, you've said it perfectly.
Yeah, so a war game, it's an exercise where different people play different roles.
So somebody's the president, somebody's the news media, somebody's the head of the CIA and so forth.
And they game out different scenarios of what would happen.
So in the last election, it was to remove Donald Trump from office if he was either re-elected, meaning legitimately re-elected, remove him from office militarily, or force him out if he maybe was at one, but it was a contested election and force him out of the White House that way.
The people at Georgetown Law Center have developed a concept to remove civilian control over the military.
This is to pull out Article II of the Constitution of the United States, Georgetown Law School.
Now, these people, think of it in Washington, D.C., they're not just professors and deans and running a center.
Their spouses work within the system, within the bureaucracy.
They go in and out of government in senior White House or Justice Department or other positions.
They teach one another's courses.
They socialize with one another.
They vacation with one another.
So this is a big tight, tight, tight fraternity of people who have become radicalized.
And now that main establishment is literally plotting right now to overthrow the Constitution.
So when we look like us talking about it, the Atlantic was invited.
You know, the left-wing flagship journal was invited to attend these war games in February.
And the reporter was so shocked that he said he can't believe this is happening, that this raises serious constitutional questions, and he was extremely uncomfortable with it.
But again, the media has spun the exact opposite in regards to the meetings that Trump had with advisors or talked to around January 6th when they had the rally at the ellipse.
When you look at that and the criminal cases that are against Trump and the fact that some of them are, you know, we have these DC cases.
Convicted and Condemned00:04:48
You know, what are your thoughts on these criminal cases, especially the one in D.C. and even your take on the one in Florida, because that involves the Espionage Act?
I think a lot of people are sleeping on that one because, oh, it's in Florida.
The judge is going to rule for him.
Excuse me, they just denied the Presidential Records Act, which to me, in the very, you know, none of these cases should have been brought, but that one was the most obvious not to be brought and maybe the most dangerous.
So what are your thoughts on these criminal cases?
Where are they going in the next few months?
Well, this is something else coming out of Georgetown Law Center.
How to make sure that the cases are brought to the precise jurisdictions and precise judges who will decide the way they want the cases to be decided to not allow them to be tried in other areas.
So so many of these cases are tried in the Washington, D.C. federal circuit because it's a super liberal circuit and they know that almost all the judges are going to rule the way they want them to.
So this is not evidence-based justice anymore, is it?
It's just political trials.
And if you look at, say, you raise J6, the conviction rate in the DC circuit for the J6 protesters is higher than the conviction rate in the Russian courts under Vladimir Putin.
You know, that's exactly my point is that you cannot get a fair trial.
You look at how they've put, again, whether you agree with somebody's politics, take Tario's politics, Proud Boy.
He wasn't even in DC on the day of the insurrection that didn't happen, right?
You know, you can argue that some people should have had speedy trials if they caused violence, if they caused property damage, even trespass.
We didn't see that.
Instead, we saw the persecution and prosecution of anybody they could.
We saw people put into solitary confinement for crimes that may have not even been misdemeanors, but essentially tickets in some cases.
And Tario himself got a two-year conviction.
And, you know, I've talked to some of these guys behind bars and I've asked them about the appeals process.
And, you know, these guys have already, we're three plus years on, everybody.
These guys have already spent a lot of time in prison and they don't expect an appeals process to try to get a change of venue to even take place until after the election.
You know, we're talking seven, eight months.
And then that outcome has to be a severely lucky one.
So what are your thoughts going forward on these cases?
They've already set terrible precedents, especially in that jurisdiction.
Well, they have, but if you've been convicted of a crime or not convicted, if you've committed a crime of violence as a left-wing extremist, just think of the summer of 2020.
So my office was on Pennsylvania Avenue, two and a half blocks from the White House.
And we were boarded up for the top two stories because of the planned violence that the authorities knew was planned.
No one was brought to trial for any of that.
And so we were deprived of our income.
The owners of the buildings were deprived of income.
The businesses went out of business because of these places being boarded up.
And then when those mobs converged at Lafayette Park, just on the north front of the White House, they tried to raid the White House.
They had ladders to go up to go over the White House fences and physically attack the president.
They drove the president of the United States down into the nuclear bunker.
Were any of those people put on trial in this four?
Were they convicted the way these J6 misdemeanor guys were?
Or even the J6 guys who committed worse than misdemeanors?
They still didn't hurt anybody, but they got convicted anyway.
Absolutely.
We got to take a quick break.
We're going to come back.
More TNT radio after this.
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Let's talk solutions.
You know, we've talked about the Central Intelligence Agency, the FBI, the DC establishment.
Obviously, you have Deep State in the title of your book.
What can be done?
You know, I think that Vivek Ramaswamy, he really sold me on the idea of day one firing everybody with an odd number in their social security, in the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and every other three-letter agency out there, and really start to dismantle a lot of these agencies, not just reform them.
I recently interviewed Liz Truss, the shortest serving prime minister of Great Britain.
She said something similar.
I said, can these organizations in our country and the ones in yours be reformed?
She said, straight up, absolutely not.
They have to be torn out and we have to fit them with something better.
What are your thoughts on that?
Well, Vivek has a lot of great ideas.
But if you look at it that way, what if the person who is really doing the best job and it has this certain skill set that you need has the wrong social security number?
Then you're losing the talent that you need and vice versa.
You're keeping a lot of bad elements in there, but he's still on to something.
First, the CIA is a bloated entity, as is the FBI.
They're far bigger and fatter and inefficient than we should tolerate them being.
One thing to do, abolish the position of every single government official responsible for diversity, equity, and inclusion.
You'll gut everything right there.
And if you abolish the position, then they're stuck without a job.
It's not like they're not protected under the civil service laws anymore.
So abolish all of those and then cut out a lot of useless, you know, why spy on the climate, for example.
Why have a gender intelligence service?
Get rid of that stuff.
And there's so much more that we simply don't need, as well as the useless bureaucracy around it.
So I would say do all that to all the agencies and then take the CIA and divide it into.
We need a clandestine service for running certain operations abroad.
We need intelligence collection and analysis absolutely to inform our decision makers.
Take the FBI.
The B and FBI is bureau.
It's just a bureaucracy.
So let's dismantle that bureaucracy in an orderly way, take out the pieces we need, you know, fighting kiddie porn and fighting real interstate crime that's real crime, countering foreign spies, certain counterterrorism roles, and take those roles and put them into other agencies like the U.S. Marshals to handle the criminal stuff that's pretty fairly untainted by scandal throughout its history.
So break up the FBI and just take the rest of it and grind it down like a tree stump and put it behind us.
Well, I like that answer.
You know, I obviously think that we need a military, we need intelligence services.
I do understand your point as, you know, you could be getting as many good guys out of there as you get bad guys.
But I think that if you do try to do it the way you're saying, you're going to see those civil lawsuits.
You know, you did mention the fact that they wouldn't be protected by those acts, but at the same time, there's going to be an influx of NGO money doing everything that they can to try to ensure that that can't happen in this country.
The question is, can that happen with executive orders?
And what types of executive orders should Trump put out there day one if he is somehow able to get back into the White House?
Well, you just said it with executive orders because when Trump came in before, he really didn't think he could win.
So he didn't have a team.
He was just as surprised as Hillary Clinton was that he won.
So he didn't have a team.
He didn't have a strategy, didn't have a plan, and didn't have executive orders to implement that plan from day one.
This time around, it's different.
So this time around, he's getting the team, and they're assembling on the outside to come in and to support him and to even set their differences aside in order to take control of the FBI and the CIA and the other agencies and do something constructive with them so they can't continue to abuse people.
And also to break the FBI into sections and then give block grants to states so that the states can handle their own problems.
And there's no need for an FBI to be operating at the state level.
So that's one set of things.
So the executive orders identifying which Obama ones were never repealed, which Biden ones need to be repealed, and which new ones need to put in their place.
So that's something that's already ongoing right now, which is a very good thing.
He can do that right away, right out the gate.
But once you abolish a position, you can do that administratively.
You don't need that as a president to have an act of Congress.
Say these positions are hereby abolished.
And then if there's no position there, then there's no need for that employee and that employee can be terminated from government service.
Then you pull their security clearances so they won't have access to anything anymore.
And then they can't become contractors to come back into the government and cause trouble.
So there are a lot of things that can be done.
And then any lawsuits come in, fine.
Fund those defenses of those lawsuits out of the FBI budget, out of the CIA budget, from areas to prevent that money from being spent on doing, you know, promoting DEI or harassing American citizens and let that all go into the legal defense of what the president's trying to do.
So essentially what you're saying is he's got to appoint the right people in the heads of these agencies as he does these executive orders so they can abolish the positions from within.
So that's going to be a big part of the administration.
You talked about roles in the administration.
Who does he need to bring in?
You know, we talked about Vivek Ramaswamy.
I had a discussion with somebody just today.
I think that Secretary of State would be a very good spot for him.
I hated the idea of Tim Scott as a vice president when that was thrown around.
But there were other names in there that I did like.
Tulsi Gabbard.
Rand Paul is another one.
Mike Lee, I think Mike Lee would be great somewhere in the administration as well.
I know there are a lot of people that would like to see Mike Flynn back in the role of Secretary of Defense or something like that.
Who are some of the players he needs to bring in day one and surround himself with?
He should bring himself, he should circle himself with a lot of people who have been through it and they have no further ambition.
So they're not going to be grifters.
They're not going to be tagging along for a year or two and then doing whatever they want to do.
They're not going to have a higher ambition because they've been through it all.
So you're really bringing a lot of older people out of retirement to do it.
They're going to do the job and then hand it over to younger people to actually run it.
That's what you need because there's too much ambition in Washington and people coming in from the outside or they're coming in from Congress as staffers or something else.
Just the human tendency is to want to, you end up becoming part of the machine that your job is to dismantle.
So that's the first thing he should do to bring in that guys who don't have those ambitions.
Some of them are well known.
Some of them are not known at all.
But he should also select a vice president who's going to be his successor because he's only going to be there for one term and then empower that vice president with some unusual powers so that there would be a, which he can do as president to assign the vice president certain authorities so that that vice president can be queued up to be effectively in some ways a shadow president ready to continue the new revolution that would take place once the second Trump administration is over.
But is that in Trump's character?
I mean, let's be honest.
I think that's one of his big flaws, right?
Like, let's be like, that's the thing.
That's why when I hear a guy like Tim Scott, I'm like, you want Mike Pence 2.0?
What are you doing right here?
You know, I don't want him to feel threatened, but I do want things to get done.
I think Rand Paul is really the perfect guy because if you look at Rand Paul throughout that presidency, even when he disagreed with Trump, he did so respectfully.
And he had his back on every major issue.
And he didn't dip his toe into the presidential race.
Now, I won't fault Vivek Ramaswamy.
I was very happy with his campaign.
I think he should have done what he did because he was really the only non-establishment voice in those debates.
DeSantis really showed his true colors as another hack, like everybody else up there, in my opinion, right?
So he's a guy, and I think that he could be presidential.
He didn't step into the race.
He's had his back.
But at the same time, again, Trump's pride, he wants to keep pushing Operation Warp speed and the shots of the best thing since breakfast.
And truth be told, Rand Paul's the only one investigating that entire scenario on a large-scale level.
So if you had a choice, and I agree with you that, like, if he's going to really start changing things and bringing things back to the Constitutional Republic, love what you said about the U.S. Marshals, who does he need in that second spot?
I mean, there's only a handful of people out there I could get behind.
Right.
It can't be a token.
It has to be his designated successor.
And if he can be persuaded that he needs to use his last four years to leave a lasting historic legacy to really save our country, then he should use the presidency to weaken the executive branch, to weaken the central government.
So your idea for Rand Paul to be in that spot, there's a man whose entire career since childhood, really, with his father, is to dismantle the abusive powers of the central government and return power back to the states and communities.
And I agree.
And you know what?
Listen, I think Rand has his problems too.
His father, in my opinion, anyway, was the better man.
You know, I think there was a lot of excitement even in 2008 when he was running for presidency.
I think a lot of that sparked what became the modern-day Tea Party movement.
And really, people on the right that were attacking Ron Paul came around pretty quickly.
And you look at some of those videos from him talking 20, 25 years ago, sometimes longer.
They've come to fruition.
And he was much like a modern day prophet when he was talking about what government could be and now has become.
So that is a question on the flip.
What if we don't get Trump in there?
What if we have another sham of an election?
I mean, on the other side of the aisle, there were no debates, no real primary process.
RFK Jr. wasn't even given the time of day, let alone Secret Service protection.
This brings a third person and honestly, a third party candidate that I think can siphon votes from both sides and a relatively good politician.
Haven't seen that since Ross Perot, and we're in a very different time period than Ross Perot.
So, what are your thoughts on what we're going to see from the Democratic Party, from this independent?
Are we going to see even one presidential debate?
And again, if Trump doesn't get in there, what does the country look like?
Yeah, I'd be surprised if there was a real presidential debate, but I would also be surprised if the establishment would allow itself to be voted out of power.
They saw Trump was serious in draining the swamp, but then during his presidency, he really didn't drain the swamp at all.
In fact, it got worse.
The thing is, though, now he's had time to, he's really motivated to do something about it now.
And what he's doing is he's threatening their whole power base.
So, if you consider Washington, D.C. as a business model, what's the biggest industry in the city and in the whole area?
It's all central government.
All the other businesses in the Washington, D.C. area depend on central government one way or another, or real estate, groceries, transportation, you name it.
It all depends on the taxpayers' money coming in and feeding that machine to the point that nine of the 20 wealthiest counties in America are in the Washington, D.C. area, which has no indigenous industry.
So, this is a place where if you serve your 25 years in government, you leave at $150,000, $170,000 salary, you get a large percentage of that as pension.
Then you go back as a contractor to work for your friends and former colleagues.
You're taking in another $200,000 a year.
And if you own your own contracting business, you can make millions a year.
So, this is your whole business model.
This is what you planned for all your life.
And if you have somebody like Donald Trump and his populist deplorables coming in, they're going to take that away.
So, you're going to see the internal system here, big intel and everything else around it, fighting tooth and nail to keep what they think is theirs.
So, I agree they're going to fight tooth and nail.
I guess what's your prediction coming up?
I mean, some people have even predicted a postponed election, not just a rigged one.
A lot of people have pointed to the fact that none of the COVID-19 super regulations for voting have been rolled back.
That gives them, obviously, a position to continue to be corrupt.
And then, you look at all of the illegals that have come across the border, and there's more than just Jason Burmese here buzzing that somehow, some way, they're also going to be able to vote in this election.
And look, I'm not even saying that they vote Biden, even if he got them here.
The illusion that they would vote Biden is all they need, the perception of reality, because we've also seen what Big Intel has done with big tech.
They've censored any other opinions or evidence that is contrary to the narrative that they put forth, Michael.
Right.
And this is the, it's all just a huge wildcard going on because they don't have control of the media anymore, thanks to Elon Musk buying X. Even if your own platform is taken down, you will still have another platform to go to, which wouldn't have been possible four years ago.
So, they're trying however they can to create, they're actually panicking because they can't keep the control that they thought they had.
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That's why they're running these war games out of Georgetown Law School.
They're trying to figure out how to handle this to make sure that Trump, now, even under this year's scenario, that he's democratically elected and no one disputes it, how he will be prevented from becoming president.
So, this is the end of our constitutional government.
And they're very elegant about standing.
Yeah.
I mean, that's extremely, I mean, is that what you're expecting?
Are you expecting the end of our constitutional?
I mean, is this the final nail in the coffin of a constitutional republic that's already been greatly eviscerated and chipped away at year by year by this centralized state?
So you're saying if we don't get Trump in there and he is legitimately elected as all the real polls show, that's it.
We're done sauce.
We can't handle another four years of this.
It won't survive another four years.
The people in the bureaucracy who came in, say, right after 9-11, they've been radicalized.
They've been in there.
They'll have been there 25 years under the next president.
They're retiring out.
Look at all the government recruitment material.
You know, go on X and look at FBI jobs.
They're recruiting woke lunatics for all of these national security positions to create what's basically, in their minds, going to become a one-party state.
They'll allow a token opposition.
They'll be fine with Nikki Haley's of the world and rhinos.
They've always been fine with them.
But they won't be fine with changing this system of privilege and two-tiered justice and a huge domestic police apparatus that's been assembled to keep them in power.
They won't tolerate getting rid of that.
Well, I hope you're wrong.
I want to see a Hail Mary miracle.
I tend to be more on the side.
I think they might even be putting Trump in prison, and that's going to escalate things even further.
A discussion for another time.
I am hoping somehow, some way, folks, we do get a free and fair election.
We can start restoring our constitutional republic.
But pretty grim outlook today.
We're on the way to a weekend.
Michael, I hope you have a great weekend.
We got to take a break, everybody.
When we come back, I don't know if we're going to get more upbeat than that.
That one kind of bummed me out.
I was really hoping that he had a little bit more insight onto the idea that maybe we can have a constitutional republic again.
And look, Trump isn't perfect, far from it.
But when you compare him to what went on the last several years under the most outward puppet we have ever seen in our lifetime, a guy that rode the train through the primaries as an open dementia patient, talking about 3-0-0-Joe babies, record players.
It's insanity, and we need it to have to come to an end one way or another, because really it is just a facade of a constitutional republic with democratic values run by the people unless we do so.