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April 7, 2024 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas

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Prophetic Naomi Wolf Asks What's Next?

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	Welcome to making sense of the madness.
	Another great hour ahead of us.
	I love having this woman on.
	She's been so prophetic over the years.
	Naomi Wolf is with us, not just to discuss her books, but what's going on via the post-COVID-1984 nightmare and what we can expect into 2024, a very important election year.
	That and much more.
	buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
	And we are back.
	And we are back.
	We are joined by Naomi Wolf.
	She is the author of The Pfizer Papers and Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age.
	And we are definitely in a new dark age of censorship as we speak.
	Naomi, first off, thank you so much for joining us.
	What do you think the 40,000 foot view is right now post-COVID? Where are we as a culture, a society, and a country?
	Yeah. Well, thank you for having me, Jason.
	That's a really important question because the dark overlords who brought us into nearly losing all of our liberties through a hyped up claim of a public health threat.
	I'm not saying it wasn't a real threat.
	I'm saying that it was It's exaggerated and dramatized and that many of the data sets that they use to persuade us of the extent of the pandemic were fake, as I've shown in both The Bodies of Others and its sequel now, Facing the Beast.
	They would like us to think, well, that's in the rearview mirror.
	Let's just move on.
	And not recognize that that was just the opening salvo in a multi-directional attack on humanity, but specifically on Western Europe and North America.
	They want us gone.
	They want us disabled. They want us sterilized.
	I've been sharing my evidence for this from the Pfizer documents that were released under court order that our 3,250 doctors and scientists have analyzed to show the greatest crime against humanity in recorded history.
	So now We're being lured into thinking, all is well, we have our republic back, but in fact, we're a nation that is being targeted with war.
	We just don't recognize it.
	There are attacks on our infrastructure.
	A bridge collapsed.
	Another bridge collapsed. Yet another bridge was attacked, I think, in the last few days.
	There are dozens of attacks on food processing plants.
	There is an effort to put mRNA injections in our livestock.
	There's an effort to make all of our pharmaceuticals that are injected mRNA-based, and we've shown how dangerous this technology is.
	There's cyberattacks.
	And there's an effort to their attacks on our grid.
	You know, we're seeing this in Europe as well.
	I just came back from a week in Europe, and it's like, Europeans are cold.
	They're being told that their heating costs are out of control because of the Ukrainian war.
	They're being targeted with central bank digital currency.
	And the same is happening and going to happen with us.
	I mean, we keep fighting and fighting it.
	You know, the WHO treaty in May that will transcend sovereignty and allow Tedros Ghebreyesus to send his own private army or mercenaries to police us.
	You know, if we are signatories to it, they're coming at us from all directions.
	They just don't want us to recognize that it's a war.
	Well, it certainly is a war, and it's fifth-generation warfare.
	Like you said, it is from all angles.
	And I like how you recognize it is not just an attack on America or Europe.
	It's an attack on humanity in general, especially when you look at the technology that they're using.
	Now, going back to the virus itself, it was very apparent to me that once it was recognized that you had an HIV protein in it, that this was, in fact, Man-made somewhere, somehow, and not zoonotic as it was portrayed.
	First a bat, then a pangolin, and really the experts were the only ones that were allowed to pontificate on anything beyond that and not get censored, but they still had to toe the zoonotic line.
	That has been completely eviscerated.
	At who they were targeting. It wasn't just the institute in Wuhan.
	They named Chapel Hill in there.
	They named institutions in New York.
	This shows that there seems to be a global effort for this quote unquote gain of function or what I would call biological warfare research that one way or another led to the release of this virus.
	Do you think that's an accurate statement?
	Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's all...
	When you peel away the layers, you see a global coordination at the top that's very overt.
	Without question, I mean, I was...
	De-platformed from Twitter shortly after posting Ralph Barrick's CV, which clearly identified that he was working on gain-of-function research.
	He called it gain-of-function research at the University of North Carolina and at various, I think, 11 other sites throughout the United States.
	I mean, there's every possibility that he was the origin and his NIH-funded Experimentation on bats and bat coronaviruses was the origin of COVID in our country.
	But his connection with Wuhan was right there since, I think, 2017.
	They just carried on, when gain-of-function was made illegal in 2017 in the US, they just carried on their same program, tasking China with doing all the illegal stuff.
	So we knew what we were funding.
	The coordination was global.
	I mean, in the bodies of others, I found a project called the COVID-19 Project, which was global coordination of messaging about the pandemic and who was part of this consortium.
	Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Bloomberg.
	You know, actually, Nintendo, all of the people who benefited from locking us in our homes and forcing us onto digital platforms for two and a half years.
	The money flow showed that all of those companies were up 23% Net revenue and also that Google invested in the vaccines.
	Microsoft's shareholder Bill Gates invested in the vaccines.
	So they benefited from this coordinated scare tactic around the world.
	I mean, I could give so many examples, but heads of state, you know, look at how the messaging and the policies around lockdowns and then around mandates and then around shaming, coercing people to take the injection were rolled out really exactly the same.
	In 152 languages around the world.
	The same, you know, heads of state, many of whom had relationships with the World Economic Forum.
	The World Economic Forum has boasted about, you know, placing heads of state in Canada and in parliaments around the world.
	They got their script, basically, and the scripts were all exactly the same.
	You were told not to kill grandma by visiting her for Thanksgiving.
	Don't kill grandma visiting her for Hanukkah.
	Don't kill grandma visiting her for Easter.
	Don't kill grandma visiting her for Ramadan, for Diwali.
	You know, it was the same message around the world, globally coordinated.
	You can't have more than five people in your garden.
	Britain, you can't have more than six people in your home, said Governor Cuomo when I realized that we were never going to be let out without a fight.
	You know, these messages were coordinated.
	You weren't allowed to go to the beach.
	You weren't allowed to go hiking.
	You weren't allowed to have school, you know, in person.
	The churches were closed.
	The synagogues were closed. Globally coordinated.
	This is not, like, I recognized it, Jason, in March, like, March 8th of 2020 when My husband and I were in the Bronx, where we then lived, and we read the news that Governor Cuomo was closing Broadway because of the virus, not asking the theater owners to close their theaters.
	Some theaters were closed, others were open.
	It wasn't a normal capitalist decision in a free society of Maybe some theater owners didn't have the insurance to cover it.
	Maybe others did. No, it was a whole sector which represented, you know, New York and freedom and America, right?
	The lights on Broadway closed all at once.
	And my husband and I looked at each other and, you know, I've been in conflict areas as a journalist.
	He's been in conflict areas as a veteran.
	And both of us knew something really bad is happening.
	We've got to get out of here.
	And we literally left New York City that night and moved into the woods, where we are now, because that is how you make decisions in a coup.
	When there's a coup, that's how decisions are made.
	I couldn't agree more, and I kind of want to hone in on Cuomo.
	My thing wasn't as dramatic, but early March, I was in upstate New York, and they started recognizing these things.
	And you talked about the coordinated effort to put out this messaging, and there was two weeks to slow the spread.
	They're six feet apart.
	There's alone together, safe and effective.
	All this Bernaysian language to try to feed in to this.
	But the one that Cuomo actually introduced that went global, and this is how you know it as a script, I think it was on April 24th.
	So shortly after other states around the country, most had adopted some kind of measures, some kind of lockdowns, masks, etc.
	Build Back Better. He's the first guy.
	To show it. He was doing his daily press conferences, and he had his little graphics up there, and he talked about how we were going to build back better.
	And then he actually used 9-11 as an example.
	He said, well, you know, if you had told us pre-9-11 that you're going to take your shoes off in the airport every time, everybody would have scoffed at you.
	Well, now we got a new normal, and we're going to build back better, and there's all sorts of great restrictions.
	Remember, he was America's governor.
	They were portraying that he was maybe going to be the guy to run against Trump.
	A lot of people forget all of this.
	And then his policies literally killed people.
	You had, what was it, several centers that were converted into hospitals, never used.
	You had the boat that was never used instead.
	All of these people that were infected were then moved into nursing homes.
	They were put on ventilators.
	I mean, some of the worst and most egregious deaths happened within that first month in New York City, basically with an 80-plus percentage of people dying on the ventilators.
	And that wasn't even discussed for another, I don't know, three, four weeks after it was occurring.
	I mean, this was a coordinated plan.
	New York was at the epicenter of it, and I knew I had to get out.
	When I saw metal signs on my upstate New York, Oneonta Main Street, every 100 feet, telling me to wear a mask outside.
	That was it. But I had to wait for the DMV to open in June to put my car on the road so I could get the hell out of here.
	We're in Iowa now.
	But those decisions do have to be made.
	And, you know, it's funny because right before this, I was talking to my producer about a plan.
	I go, look. I don't know what's happening next.
	I know that nothing is certain, certainly after that time period, but I put myself in a place where Hopefully, if something did go wrong, we can go somewhere.
	We're right on the Mississippi. We're 15 minutes away from the largest truck stop in the Midwest where everything comes through.
	There's roadways everywhere.
	There's not choke points.
	Those are the basics of a plan.
	We've got to take a break. When we come back, I want to talk about planning for the future and really the uncertainty of 2024 in general.
	We're with one of the great minds of our time, Naomi Wolf, and we'll be back with more Making
	Sense of the Madness after this.
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	And we are back with Naomi Wolf.
	Naomi, before the break I was talking about having a plan.
	Now, I think there's a lot of hype out there right now, especially of a black swan event.
	Hopefully we're not going to see something like that.
	But we're certainly in the midst of a global conflict.
	Russia, Ukraine, now the Middle East, hotter than ever.
	And what just happened in Moscow, Russia, terror attacks, etc.
	We have an election where it seems we're supposed to get a repeat of 2020.
	One guy can't even speak at this point.
	The other guy is incredibly popular and they're trying to put him in prison every other way.
	Where do you think we're going in 2024?
	I don't know that we're going to see a black swan event, but other people who are credible have also floated the idea, maybe for the first time ever, we don't have an election if there's an event, that gets suspended.
	What kind of plans should people have?
	And what do you see in the next seven months?
	Yeah. I appreciated you introducing me as prophetic because I don't take pleasure in it, but I do look back on the warnings I've issued in the last two and a half years.
	And I would say 95% of them have come true.
	And it's not because I'm a genius.
	It's because I studied the closing of open societies at various times in history and around the world for my book, The End of America.
	Which couldn't be more relevant than now and is making a comeback.
	And by the way, there's a great documentary film that complements that.
	And that's actually the first time well over a decade ago I interviewed you.
	Sorry to interrupt. Continue.
	Well, you know, so you were prophetic as well because anyone who thought it can't happen here a decade ago or 12 years ago was wrong because it can happen anywhere.
	It is happening here if we don't fight it.
	It's for those reasons that I'm pretty confident issuing the warnings that I'm issuing for the next few months.
	You talked about how you've changed your life as you should, looking at how to get out if there's a crisis.
	We've done the same thing.
	My husband's teaching me to shoot.
	He bought me a 22. We made friends with farmers.
	We know where our beef comes from.
	We Stockpiled food.
	We have a solar generator.
	We're getting a gas generator.
	I mean, all of the things, right?
	Because the way he puts it is if there's going to be...
	Well, his view is we're...
	We're in a time when violent immigrants are being imported over the border.
	I'm the daughter and granddaughter of immigrants.
	Nothing wrong with legal immigration.
	But this is part of the war, right, is 16.5 million people from some of the very violent countries, Uzbekistan, which exports mercenaries, Angola, which exports mercenaries, people from countries that are heavily run by cartels, militias, essentially. They're the ones being flown to specific points around the country.
	And this is what keeps me up at night, because as the daughter and granddaughter of immigrants, you know, and you all think about the immigrants in your own lineage, where they flown in or walked across the border and then housed at the public expense in group housing, which is very much like barracks, right? And that's what's happening in Brooklyn, in Salem, where we spend time, Massachusetts, Chicago O'Hare.
	Strategic points around the country have what could be Staging areas for immigrants who disproportionately are fighting age men.
	And my husband, you know, his podcast is about this.
	And he's a formerly from military intelligence.
	So he's like, they have military haircuts.
	They stand at parade rest.
	They walk like they're, you know, marching.
	They're in cadence. Like these look like soldiers disproportionately.
	And I'll tell you as a journalist, they don't look like any refugees I've ever seen.
	Because usually when they're real refugees and it's not an invasion that's military, you see old people.
	You see people in wheelchairs.
	You see, you know, children and babies.
	And I'm not talking about just the kids who are being abducted at the border and trafficked.
	I mean, you see intact families coming in together.
	That's not what we're seeing disproportionately.
	We're seeing college-age men, I'm sorry, fighting-age men and reproductive-age women overwhelmingly disproportionately.
	Leaving their elders behind.
	So I'm worried about in the months ahead, what I foresee, what I expect is that there won't be a normal election.
	And the work I did on the machines confirms that There probably hasn't been a normal election since 2005 in the US because these machines are not secure.
	And it's the easiest thing in the world to tell an algorithm to count three Democratic votes for every one Republican vote.
	You know, my developer, I run a tech company now.
	My developer said when I asked him, how hard is it to mess up these voting machines?
	He said, all you need to do is give the back end credentials to anyone and they're in.
	And it's true. Like you literally need to give the login and password, you know, the username and password to anyone in the world.
	If you're the guy who programmed the machine, And the program is proprietary.
	You give the login and password to a guy in Serbia or a guy in China or whatever, and they can go in and do whatever they want to these electronic voting machines.
	So my point is, running up to the election, I think we're heading into a very dangerous time.
	We're in a very dangerous time, like the attacks have already begun.
	They're just not being messaged as terrorist attacks or attacks on our homeland.
	So I expect to see a lot of what we're seeing, chaos, instability and violence in the cities, right?
	These flagrant acts of violence in New York City committed by immigrants.
	I think those are messaging.
	I think they're intentional.
	I think that a lot of these guys have been brought in here with a directive You know, hurt people and you'll have impunity.
	They're not going to jail, right?
	They're not being held.
	They're not being punished. They're having apologies issued by our governor.
	I think you're going to see a lot more of that to such an extent that people will be told it's too dangerous to vote in person or there will be some dramatic uprising.
	Think about October 7th in Israel, how easy it was to bring the whole country to a halt with just a handful of terrorists over the border.
	We've got what could be thousands of possible soldiers or terrorists in our country.
	My husband's co-host J.J. Carell is a former border agent.
	He says they're letting in special interest to aliens who are terrorists or aligned with terrorists.
	So you could have like in October, mid-October, one dramatic uprising with A lot of mayhem, hostage taking, maximum, some explosions, maximum fear.
	And then the message will be Everyone be afraid.
	Stay in your homes. It's too dangerous to vote in person.
	You'll have to vote through absentee ballot.
	And that's how they won the last time.
	And we know this.
	And I promise I'll pause, Jason, in just a minute.
	But we know this because we at Daily Cloud have drafted an election integrity bill to restore paper ballots and in-person voting and hand counting.
	And to make it proactive, you have to request an absentee ballot and give a reason to get one.
	Which is just a normal security process.
	And the people who are blocking it are Democrats.
	And the questions they're asking the legislators who've introduced it, like in Maine, Representative Heidi Sampson introduced it and it was defeated along party lines with Democrats opposing it.
	The questions she was asked by the Democrats were about absentee ballots.
	So that's their plan. They don't want to get rid of the absentee ballots.
	And then you'll have a scary October and then, oh, you know, look, Biden won again.
	And then they'll start, you know, rounding people up who are dissidents and putting them in jail or in quarantine camps.
	That's what I predict if we don't fight back.
	No, pretty bright and sunny future.
	All right, let's break down a lot of what you just said there, okay?
	I'm not necessarily against anything you said.
	It really does look like we are moving in that direction because it doesn't seem like they can have a free and fair election.
	You rightfully said the fact that we haven't had A free and fair national election probably since 2005.
	I'd probably argue even the 2004 election where Kerry probably beat Bush but laid down.
	And look, John Kerry right now, even though he's stepping down for John Podesta on a global stage, ran way more of the global policies during this first Biden administration than Biden did because Biden's eaten porridge and oatmeal and barely knows the difference.
	When you talk about the machines, it's so important for people to understand, like you said, these are proprietary software.
	So even if there is something that audits it on a very small level, in other words, someone looks at it and says, hey, this IP address doesn't make sense, you also have the plausible deniability on the back end of malicious Russian hackers.
	Then let's get to the migrants.
	Over in Russia, we just had this terror attack, and I believe these people to be low-level patsies.
	From what we understand, each of them were paid less than $5,000, half of that up front.
	You know, they always like a million rubles or whatever to try to like up the ante.
	No, these are poor and desperate people from other nations that were willing to kill a multitude of people for a very low sum of money, and we don't really know their ideology.
	Then you get to the migration system.
	Number one, we're in a system now that is open and arrogant treason, not only on behalf of the government, but I would say of corporate America such as Tyson.
	I'm sure that you're aware that now in the United States, Tyson has laid off a multitude of workers in Iowa, closed plants, etc., and throughout the country.
	And now in New York, In upstate New York, where they have their plants, they're going to be paying migrants $16.25 an hour, okay?
	But it gets better. They're not going to give them any benefits that you usually get in a job.
	By the way, you can't live in upstate New York under $20 an hour.
	I'm just going to let everybody know that.
	We're talking not very far away from New York City.
	Still got to make at least $20, okay?
	$16.25 an hour, but we're going to pay for your lawyers to stay in the country.
	So if you haven't seen that, that's actually happening.
	And no one's saying anything.
	I'm talking about open and arrogant treason.
	So you've set up an incentive mechanism with corporate America and the government to pull this off with no repercussions.
	And as I think you rightfully stated, if you had an event that maybe,
	maybe it was coordinated throughout the United States.
	In other words, you said terror attacks, maybe three of them across the board.
	They could just shut down normal elections within the next couple of weeks.
	And lo and behold, it's a good thing.
	We still have these systems in place from COVID.
	So you think that's going to be the play.
	And if that happens, Naomi, is that it?
	Is that the wrap?
	Is that the true end of America?
	I've often asked this question.
	What is the final nail in the coffin?
	And I want to get into Assange maybe after this break, because that could be another one of those
	But rightfully, you said, you know, we're already successfully prosecuting political enemies in this country and putting them away for decades.
	You can hate Enrique Tarrio's politics.
	They just put him away for 20 years for an insurrection that didn't happen in a place he wasn't even there.
	Like, that's how crazy we've gotten.
	So what are your thoughts on that?
	I mean, I think it's well said.
	I really want to stress, you know, when I say I see this, this and this, it's not like I don't want people to listen like, okay, well, that's going to happen.
	Let's just give up. The reason to lay out the battlefield is so people can fight.
	And, you know, for example, I've been warning about quarantine camps.
	And emergency laws to hold people in quarantine or even going back to 2012, the National Defense Authorization Act, which gave our president, any president, the power to hold people without charge of trial indefinitely if he says it's a terrorist detention.
	You know, the reason to warn people so they can fight, for instance, here in New York State, Bobby Ann Cox, a lawyer, has successfully to date sued Governor Hochul to keep from opening those quarantine camps.
	So she's kept people like us free in New York State.
	Like, I just want to stress the reason to know the play is to fight it, right?
	Not to sit around.
	Assign Jason and Naomi the job of fighting it.
	It's your job to fight it.
	It's your job to support the people who are fighting it, support Bobby and Cox, support independent media, support the lawyers who are bringing lawsuits, et cetera.
	And it's your job to resist.
	And I just really want to stress that people have a lot of power to resist by influencing their own community.
	Even just saying what you think empowers other people to say what they think.
	Even if you're ostracized or you have arguments with your family, you have to do it now.
	So that's number one.
	So apropos of what's going to happen in October, I just want to say it could be a dramatic terrorist uprising.
	But it doesn't even have to be because they kept us in our homes for a year and a half on the basis of data that was unverifiable, right?
	Like the claim that there was this deadly pathogen, the claim that all these people were dying of COVID when it turned out they were dying with COVID. That 170,000 flu deaths were moved over to the category of COVID influenza and pneumonia.
	All this funny math.
	I mean, again, I wrote about it in both of these books that, you know, these COVID maps that ostensibly showed you there's this horrible pathogen and people are dropping dead and getting infected.
	You weren't allowed to see the data sets, right?
	And I built government databases with my developers for my tech company, You know, garbage in, garbage out, as developers like to say.
	If you can't see the data sets, you don't know it happened.
	You cannot prove it happened.
	So to this day, we don't know if there was a pandemic, right?
	And even the word pandemic was sort of coined or...
	Refreshed a few years ago, it's not an organic word.
	We used to have epidemics that were much more serious than this, right?
	A pandemic, the dictionary definition is death and disease across a wide geographical area.
	And we just don't know that that happened.
	The numbers in Britain were distorted by the Office of National Statistics.
	The numbers globally were distorted by Bloomberg and Johns Hopkins.
	You weren't allowed to see the datasets.
	I remember getting leaked to me by the graphic designer for the COVID map that used Johns Hopkins data.
	It was the US map.
	This is a map that was being replicated by the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post.
	And he showed me that only four states were reporting their data for this map.
	Everything else was invented.
	Everything else was imaginary. I bring all this up because while I do think there's a risk of a violent black swan event, if that's what you want to call it, I don't want to call it that because if you study history, many coups start with a statement that there's been a dramatic attack, right? Like the Reichstag fire, right?
	Was it this one guy who was a communist?
	Was it the Nazis? We don't know.
	It was a dramatic attack on an important symbol, right?
	It's very normal.
	Chile was crushed in the 1970s from a dramatic revelation that these insurgents had this gigantic stockpile of weapons.
	Well, were they real weapons?
	Did the coup leaders stage the weapons?
	We don't know. It's very normal to say this horrible thing has happened.
	We've narrowly averted it or it's just happened.
	It's catastrophic. We have to now go to step 10, which is martial law, emergency law.
	And I just want to note, We're still under emergency law.
	Biden keeps expanding and expanding emergency law for ridiculous reasons now that he can't even claim it's COVID. It's like racism in upstate New York where emergency law is being extended by Hochul due to racism.
	Biden extended federal emergency law due to the situation with Iran, you know, last time I checked.
	So they've got emergency law still in place.
	They don't even have to pass it legislatively.
	They're just renewing it over and over.
	So where I'm going with this, Jason, is they could just say, oh, there's been a biological attack, stay indoors, and we'll have no way to know if there has been or not.
	They do love the invisible enemy, and the more you can't see it, the better.
	I mean, that's why I was so frightened in the beginning with what they could have done, especially in New York City, because, you know, again, I was discussing this with my producer beforehand.
	There are only a couple of choke points there, you know, unless you've got a boat.
	You know, it's basically the tunnel and the bridge, and again, if you have a boat, maybe you can get to Connecticut.
	Other than that, you're stuck there, and you're talking 8 to 10 million people in a very small geographic area.
	That could be exploited in chaos rather quickly.
	We're going to take another break. When we come back, you mentioned the importance of leaks and honest people and showing you the real data.
	There has been nobody as successful other than Julian Assange in the modern times, and yet he's on his last appeal right now, and it really looks like this judge is going to extradite him to the United States where he will be charged and probably Successfully tried for espionage.
	We're going to get Naomi Wolf's take on that and much more.
	It's Making Sense of the Madness back after this.
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	We are back with Naomi Wolf and Julian Assange.
	We're in a pretty unprecedented situation for a multitude of reasons.
	You know, basically the punishment is the process for this guy.
	He's already been held in Belmarsh.
	I would honestly argue being in an Ecuadorian embassy is very prison-like.
	Not being able to go outside and be a free human is monstrous, right?
	And they've treated this guy like a monster.
	We're at the end.
	They've had the last trial on appeals, and now it appears like this judge is actually going to extradite this person as the only questions are, will you keep him alive?
	Will you make sure he doesn't commit suicide and is tried?
	That's insane. But, you know, the one he beat was the idea that he wouldn't be able to.
	They appealed that and they said, okay, we'll have another hearing on it and we're going to send him over.
	It's a hundred percent conviction rate in the court system he gets on a charge, espionage that isn't even relevant to the man because he's not an American citizen.
	He's Australian.
	And for doing nothing more than printing the truth and exposing war crimes of the powerful.
	So if this indeed does happen, do you expect it to happen before this election?
	In other words, just the Uh, extradition process, probably not the trial.
	Uh, and if they do this and they successfully try, is that the, is that the end?
	Is that the staple you get to go after?
	Everybody under the Espionage Act, uh, under this guise of hate speech, misinformation, disinformation, Russian collusion, domestic terrorism.
	You throw a dart at the board and you can name it.
	Well, you're asking the right questions, Jason.
	Um, I'm one of the few journalists who's actually visited Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy.
	And as you described it, it was absolutely traumatic to witness.
	I mean, yes, he was in an interior room in a nice office building near Harrods, but he was in prison.
	He was a prisoner. He couldn't go outside.
	He was terrified.
	He was trying to run his defense from this interior room with his lawyer present.
	I'll never forget it.
	He had an exercise treadmill.
	That was the only exercise he could get.
	You could tell that the Ecuadorian staff was kind of sick of him and he was losing his mind, you know, and that was intentional, right?
	Like isolation, imprisonment, even in an embassy makes you crazy.
	And that is the goal, right?
	And then going in and going out, there was a British police officer who creepily said to me, we'll see you again.
	And so there was an effort to intimidate people, even going to interview him or witness what was happening to him.
	It was very terrifying.
	And where was he going to go?
	You could tell and he could tell that he was never going to be released from there.
	That he was just going to go from there to prison as he did.
	So that's number one.
	Number two is you're asking the right question because people really need to know what the Espionage Act is.
	And I go into its history in the end of America.
	The Espionage Act is a very bad law that shouldn't be on our books.
	It violates the First Amendment.
	And it was basically drummed up in, I think, 1917, when the global powers and our leadership in the US was trying to get the United States to enter the Great War.
	And there were a lot of people who were critical of the war.
	And critical of escalation.
	And we're saying this is not America's fight.
	And those people were singled out by the Espionage Act because the Espionage Act, it's called the Espionage Act, Kind of deceptively, it doesn't just punish spying, it punishes speech.
	And as you say, and so the subcategories of prosecution under the Espionage Act, which you can be executed under the Espionage Act for your speech, right, are subversion, right?
	So it's like, what is subversion?
	It's criticizing the government.
	People who are anti-war, anti-World War I, anti-U.S. involvement in World War I were accused of subversion and arrested under and held under the Espionage Act.
	So it's a very dangerous act.
	You also mentioned it is insane that an Australian citizen is being extradited to a country where there is no relationship to the justice system because he's He needs to be extradited to Australia if he's going to be extradited, right? And you are right that they will execute him.
	God forbid, that's my assumption, that they'll give him a capital sentence and he'll either be held for the rest of his life or executed, which is permissible.
	But what I always want to say, In this kind of narrative is the goal is the precedent, right?
	So he's the unfortunate target.
	And I've been warning journalists since they first arrested Julian Assange that what you do to Assange is going to be done to us.
	And I could not get a single, almost no American journalist would speak up to defend Assange, you know, at that time they piled on.
	They couldn't tell that this was a precedent.
	So indeed, what's going to be done, I predict is, God forbid, I hope I'm wrong, is that he'll be given a maximum or a capital sentence, and then it's fair game on all the rest of us journalists.
	Well, let's talk about that for a second because those journalists should take Donald Trump's story as a cautionary tale.
	Trump had every opportunity to drop the case against Assange and essentially make him a free man.
	In fact, he sent Dana Rohrabacher over there as an envoy.
	And they offered him a deal, according to his lawyers, where they wanted him to come out and give up his source for the DNC emails.
	But he had said repeatedly, number one, it was never Russia.
	And obviously he alluded to the fact that maybe Seth Rich was that leaker putting out that bounty if you could find his murderers, but refused to give up the source in court.
	So Donald Trump turned his back on him.
	him. Guess what? They've charged him with the espionage act.
	A lot of people are downplaying that case and they think it's a foregone conclusion that he's
	just going to beat it because it's in Florida. I think those people are in imagination land,
	especially if we have another rigged election in 2024. If somehow, some way he's able to get in
	there, really that's his only hope. And I would argue also it's an ace in the hole for
	the predator class to get rid of Biden because what he did with the documents was
	actually illegal.
	Trump doesn't seem to have committed any crime as he was the president of the United States, was allowed to take the documents, and most presidents, if not all, have some kind of library.
	I remember visiting Roosevelt's library as a kid.
	In upstate New York, and the handler talking about a lot of the documents still being classified from the public to this day.
	You know, this was in the 90s, you know, and in regards to Roosevelt's presidency.
	So I knew what they were doing to Trump was absolutely ridiculous.
	But then Biden, as the vice president, who doesn't have the right to take these documents, what?
	Took them. A lot of dealing with him as a senator, Lord knows what, and stored them in his garage.
	And then you read the internal papers of why they might not prosecute him, and it's because he's a dementia-ridden old man and can't remember things, but he's fit to run the country.
	I mean, this whole Espionage Act thing, forget about just the journalists.
	I feel like if you can target the ex-president, it's on for anybody that steps out of line
	and speaks out.
	We're going to talk about that on the other side.
	We're going to take a break.
	We are with Naomi Wolf.
	Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age is the latest.
	And we'll be back after this with more Making Sense of the Madness.
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	Let's talk 2024, Trump, these trials, etc.
	Let's say we get a miracle.
	Let's say we have like a somewhat free and fair election, maybe like a 2016 where they can only cheat so much.
	There isn't this event.
	Donnie T gets back in.
	He actually laces himself up, puts good people in there, the Rand Pauls of the world, the Mike Lees of the world, at least better than most, and maybe even a Vivek Ramaswamy.
	You know, I think Ramaswamy has his problems, but I love the idea of him cutting the administrative state in half on day one via Social Security.
	I think you need something like that, which is a semi-death blow to the state, if you want to dismantle it and try to reassemble it under a constitutional republic.
	So let's take the dream scenario.
	I mean, or do you think that's even the dream scenario with RFK Jr.
	in the mix? Like, what would we like to see happen in 2024?
	So I have to be nonpartisan because we have a site called Bill Kamen Legisector, which brings legislation to people.
	And our mission is to empower people to use the laws and pass the laws and use their constitutional rights.
	So I can't endorse, but I can say that, and I've said this before, that To me, a dream team, which unfortunately we're not going to see as Trump and RFK Jr., because I think it takes that to throw a spanner into the plans of the globalists.
	I don't see other candidates.
	I don't see either of them alone.
	Having that power, because I think the Democrats are going to cheat so much, it'll be difficult, even if there is an election, for Trump to win.
	And obviously, the DNC is never going to let RFK Jr., you know, win.
	So that would be optimal, in my view, that ticket, but I don't think it's going to happen.
	And I agree with you that Biden and the DNC are now a treasonous organization.
	So, you know, I've been a Democrat my whole life.
	I was a Democratic advisor to a Democratic presidential campaign and a vice president.
	I can't support them anymore.
	I've walked away. So I'm an independent.
	But I think that we're in a time where all of us in Western Europe and North America have to put the nationalist populist candidates first.
	Whatever else we care about, we have to get out of this globalist system, get our sovereignty back.
	That said, I was in a, I couldn't believe I was invited to this, but I was invited to a fundraiser for Congressman Dan Goldman, who was on the impeachment committee against Donald Trump.
	He's Democrat who represents Brooklyn and part of New York.
	And he was literally asked by his donors, what are our plans to win, meaning the DNC's plans to win.
	And he literally said twice the phrase, which I found shocking.
	We have to cut the head off the Hydra.
	He said it twice. I mean, if a Republican had said that, it would be a threat of violence.
	And he was referring to Donald Trump.
	And then he said that their plan for winning is to imprison Donald Trump.
	I mean, that's what it seemed like to me, and that's why all these people think he's going to beat all these cases.
	I mean, look what they've done to him in New York alone.
	These were trials without juries.
	The sexual assault one was...
	You had an insane person.
	On CNN and MSNBC talking about how rape was sexy and how afterwards, when she won, they were going to go buy condos and go shopping.
	I mean, you had a total crazy person who were like, almost $100 million.
	Then on the other side of that, you have Mar-a-Lago and others undervalued, again, no jury trial, to the tune of $300 plus, almost half a billion together, or we're going to take your stuff, to apparently a guy who was supposedly the most powerful man In the country only four years ago.
	And those aren't even the criminal cases.
	And, you know, I think that people like Stephen Friend, the ex-FBI agent, they're much more in the real world, that that is the plan.
	But those criminal cases, I don't know that we're going to see them now before November.
	Do you think that any of them will kick off maybe over the summer, late summer, and maybe that's the October surprise they're hoping for?
	Well, you're actually putting some pieces together I hadn't thought about, Jason.
	If they bring Assange back and they successfully railroad him through a prosecution under the Espionage Act, I mean, I can't tell you how disturbed I was by hearing a congressman, a sitting congressman say twice, we have to cut the head off the hydrant.
	Everyone understood that that was a threat, right?
	That was kind of a quasi violent threat.
	If they railroad through a conviction against Assange, they can arguably, I need to check the law, I'm not a lawyer, railroad through a conviction of that kind against President Trump.
	And again, espionage is a capital offense.
	God forbid. I hope I'm wrong.
	I hope they wouldn't go that far.
	But they've shown they're willing to murder, you know, millions of people and disable them and sterilize them.
	I don't see why they wouldn't go that far.
	You know, and even if They don't execute him.
	You know, God forbid that happens.
	Under the Espionage Act, you can detain someone for life.
	It's somewhere he can't communicate with his followers.
	I mean, I hope this is worst case scenario, right?
	I hope this is impossible in this country, but I don't like that they're fast tracking the Assange conviction, because as I said, that's, you know, precedent.
	It sets a precedent to Drag anyone in.
	And who do they want to get rid of most?
	The Hydra. You know, they want to cut the head off the Hydra.
	And then, like I said, if they are able to just successfully prosecute Trump, forget about the sentence, they could say the same thing about Biden.
	We don't want to bring it to trial.
	Step down Nixon-style.
	And maybe step down before the election.
	I don't know about that.
	I don't know if they want Kamala Harris in there.
	But hey, why not have Kamala Harris as a figurehead.
	It couldn't be any worse than a guy that can't speak.
	I mean, we'll get a lot of cackle monster laughter and a lot of in-your-face bravado.
	But, I mean, we're already kind of in this post-truth world.
	We're going to take a break.
	We're going to come back with the final segment.
	And I kind of want to talk about how we should all be preparing for the future, what we can do in our communities.
	And I think that's strengthening our...
	Relationships not only with our friends, family, and neighbors, but with local law enforcement and local government.
	We're gonna get Naomi Wolf's take after this final segment of Making Sense of the Madness up next.
	We've learned through the pandemic we can never be caught unprepared again.
	And so many Americans, when COVID hit, they had nothing in the house.
	Stores were shut down and doctors' offices were shut down.
	And even if doctors prescribed drugs, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, pharmacists wouldn't fill the prescriptions.
	That was a nightmare.
	Now the situation is much worse.
	We have these horrible supply chain problems.
	In our emergency medical kit at the wellness company, we have eight prescription drugs that are all potentially life-saving.
	Most people have died with COVID. They died in the hospital because they didn't receive early treatment.
	Every American family should have one of these.
	I can tell you the Wellness Company kit is the answer.
	And we are back.
	Final segment of Making Sense of the Madness with Naomi Wolf.
	And Naomi, you know, I like to empower humanity.
	And I always tell people, no matter what, nobody's coming to save you.
	Let's say, you know, Ramaswamy gets in on that team and they actually do cut it in half.
	There's still going to be problems out there.
	It's time to look in the mirror and figure out your own solutions.
	And like you said, I think it's important that we talk to each other, but I think it's also important to strengthen our ties with local government, with local law enforcement, especially your sheriff, in these kind of uncertain times, especially if some kind of crazy event were to take place in the next coming months.
	I agree completely.
	And, you know, looking back on the propaganda to which we've been subjected, it's so interesting to me that prepper is a pejorative.
	Like, our American tradition used to be, of course, you defend your own household, you defend your own land, you can things, you, you know, save resources for a rainy day or an emergency, and all of a sudden, being prepared makes you crazy.
	I really agree with you that we're only going to be strong.
	Say we get through November without a crisis, we still need to be strong locally because they're not going to stop trying to pass horrible laws or geoengineering, which is something I've been documenting since 2017.
	Farmers in the Netherlands are saying that there's so much geoengineering Whether you believe in that or not, it's abundantly documented that there is cloud seeding.
	Naomi, I've got to stop you.
	I've been talking about this.
	I put out a film in 2013 called Shade the Motion Picture.
	Whether you call it geoengineering or solar radiation management, After you put up that post, I kind of thought to myself, because I've been documenting this for now almost two decades, right?
	I made a film in 2013, but noticing it more and more kind of at the turn of the 2000s.
	And this is an example of where you're not supposed to believe your own eyes.
	I can record. A team of six airplanes putting up what appear to be artificial clouds through barium, sulfur oxide, aluminum, et cetera, and God knows what else.
	And I'm called a nut job.
	And we know these programs have been taking place under the guise of research, et cetera.
	But I actually had the thought to myself, if I were to even get to the governor level, I became politician Burmese.
	And could I even stop it?
	Could I, as a governor, even stop that in my state because it has been so hid from the public and it appears to be militarized with NASA, NOAA, etc.
	And that's a huge issue.
	I mean, I want to get your take on that in these final minutes.
	How can we even combat this geoengineering?
	Like you said, most of these farmers are very upset.
	And it just so happens, folks, that way back in the day, Monsanto, with their GMO seeds, made an aluminum-resistant seed.
	That's so convenient.
	Go ahead, Naomi. Take it away.
	No, I mean, we could talk for hours about exactly that.
	And my phone is full of documentation as well.
	And you mentioned abundant documentation, not just research programs, but the Department of Energy had a geoengineering program.
	The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, of course, have funded Harvard to have a geoengineering program.
	The Carnegie Foundation has a geoengineering program.
	And they want it to be global.
	Cloud seeding also, you know, has been drying out forests and making things more flammable.
	You mentioned all the chemicals, aluminum, barium, sulfates, which Harvard's very proud of spraying into the stratosphere.
	So, you know, we are being conditioned to not believe our eyes.
	This is not normal, what you see.
	It's not normal.
	The skies are not normal.
	What comes out of planes is not normal.
	Contrails didn't use to spread and cover the sky and turn into cloud cover with spitty rain that made you ill the next day.
	Whether it's biofuels, which is possible, you know, or a combination of biofuels and all this other nonsense they're doing.
	Really kind of doesn't matter.
	It's all a threat to human health.
	People need the sun. Plants need the sun.
	And think about the war on us, right?
	The war on our food supply.
	If this is the first spring in which European farmers have to artificially dry out their fields in order to seed their crops, which is what farmers were telling me when I was in Holland last week, That's a perfect way to make war on populations.
	Hungry, dependent on the state, willing to trade.
	Sure, I'll take your social credit system if I can have some bread for my kids.
	What a great way to manage us by blocking the sun.
	We could go on at length.
	And Naomi, the same people that are involved in these solar radiation management projects are also involved in food with Monsanto and also involved in our medicine.
	There was the Monsanto-Bear merger that happened as Monsanto was successfully being sued for Roundup and causing cancers.
	That should show people it's not always about profit, okay?
	It's about control.
	And I'm talking about Bill Gates.
	You know, again, I had a 20-minute section on the guy in that film warning people about all this and the hate and live shots.
	I mean, this is a guy that seems to have the trifecta of hate.
	We're going to block the sun, we're going to take the food supply, and we're going to take the medicine.
	And it goes even further.
	You know, a lot of people point to that clip of him in Davos pre-COVID 1984, kind of bragging that the investments through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation into vaccinations had a 20 to 1 return.
	Well, I would encourage everybody to go check out the latest global fund where Biden had his like moment on the side of the stage and that's what everybody focused on.
	In that, Biden admitted the return isn't 20 to 1 for investing in the Global Fund, which is originally created via HIV. But up there, introduced by Gates with Trudeau, Macron, 31 to 1 return on that project as well while they wage war on us.
	Naomi, we've got a couple minutes left in the broadcast.
	What would you like to leave the audience with?
	Where can they get the books?
	How can they support you?
	And really, how can they support themselves in these very dark times?
	Exactly. Well, so to answer your question, to leave people with some hope, I believe state legislatures are the best and most powerful way to protect ourselves.
	And Tennessee just passed a bill to ban geoengineering, and there are bills being proposed elsewhere.
	There's really good freedom to farm and food freedom bills.
	I was in Wyoming. They introduced some.
	Thomas Massey's introduced some federally.
	So go to legisector.com, which is our amazing new tool where you can see any state or federal bill shared through social media, and you can subscribe to get bills into your inbox that are just your sector, right?
	So if you care about agriculture, you can get those bills.
	If you care about family issues, you can get those bills.
	Energy, you can get those bills, etc.
	Legisector.com.
	And I want to echo what you said.
	Find out where your food comes from, make friends with a farmer, try to buy their stuff directly, go to church, go to synagogue, you know, rebuild those community local boundaries or bonds.
	I really believe in potlucks, you know, invite 50 of your neighbors over, have them bring food, figure out if there was a crisis, what are the skill sets we have in this room?
	Task people with things.
	Do some people know how to teach kids?
	Well, you can't just send your kids to school anymore.
	You have to teach them history and civics and so on.
	Task someone with a class once a week.
	Task people with teaching others how to shoot.
	Task people with securing the food supply.
	Make friends with your sheriff, of course.
	Learn your local laws.
	Run for office. Lobby your state representatives.
	It's very easy to actually draft and pass a bill at the state level if you mobilize 50 to 100 of your neighbors.
	You know, do it. And find out where your water's from.
	You know, protect your water supplies.
	All of these things are going to help us.
	And I guess the last thing I'll say is it's psychological.
	You know, give up counting on others.
	Absolutely. We've got to count on ourselves like our founders did.
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	It's very expensive to draft these bills and pass them.
	We need your support there as well.
	And the book is Facing the Beast.
	Thank you, Jason. Thank you.
	Another amazing hour with Naomi Wolf.
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