Special Agent Blows The Whistle On The Injustice Department
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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness for the next hour.
We're going to be talking January 6th and beyond with law enforcement and FBI veteran Stephen Friend.
He's got an event coming up this January 6th over in Sanford, Florida.
And then Andrew Eaton is joining us to talk about inflation, deflation, and the economy in 2024.
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On this show, we continue to shine a light on January 6th, as it is a major issue when it comes to what has happened in this country regarding law enforcement, regarding these three-letter agencies.
and regarding what I refer to as the injustice department that has been moved inward and not in on terrorism, but against the American people themselves.
To discuss that and much more is ex-FBI special agent suspended, Stephen Friend, to talk about January 6th and beyond.
And in the last several months, there has been some positives in regard to information coming out to the general public, tapes being released via January 6th.
Capitol's Unattended Bag Dilemma00:08:30
But in the end, Stephen, so many of these people that did little more than walk into the Capitol that day are serving sentences of over a decade in prison.
And obviously, this was politically motivated.
Our media continues to try to drive the narrative home that there was an insurrection on January 6th, meanwhile, ignoring all of the evidence of federal involvement in that day.
Thank you so much for joining us.
What's your latest take on what's been going on?
Well, thanks for having me today.
I'm grateful that there is an effort afoot here to have some transparency.
Hopefully, these videos are going to be emerging more so when we're allowed to crowdsource it.
I know it's tremendously frustrating.
I've cultivated a friendship with Steve Baker, who's one of the journalists who's had the opportunity to view the January 6th surveillance footage.
And as Steve sort of explained to me, unless you know what you're looking for, there's so many thousands of cameras and so many thousands of hours to actually curate through.
It's very difficult to actually tell the story of what happened that day.
But here's my general sense of what happened.
And I think it sort of summates it.
There were a lot of people there that day.
There were some who did some bad things.
There were some who did some peaceful things.
There were some people who did some dumb things.
I think, though, that the largest contingent of people who have been caught up in the dragnet and been victimized by this out-of-control and weaponized Department of Justice and FBI are the people who I've called the miracle on 34th Street crowd.
And if you remember the end of that movie, coming just out of the Christmas season here, they brought in all the letters of Santa Claus to the judge.
And I think that that was a sentiment for so many thousands of people that they were going to go and exercise their First Amendment activity, which the FBI still says and has a caveat that it does not investigate people for.
But they went to exercise their free speech, to assemble, to petition their government to redress their grievances.
And they peacefully walked through a government building.
And the opportunity was there then for the FBI and the DOJ to expand the domestic terrorism apparatus that they have built over the last few decades.
And they've been just hammering that home.
They're a hammer in search of a nail for now the last three years.
Now, for me, I was there.
I was on the scene.
I started at the ellipse and made my way up to the Capitol.
I was actually going to leave until I got a phone call that people had been gathering there and even that somebody had been shot at that point.
Obviously, this is the Ashley Babbitt incident.
And I felt like I had to go up and cover this.
Now, first of all, I can't help but talk about selective enforcement, but then even how basically security was broke down all throughout the day.
You know, I was there in the early morning when there was maybe a few hundred, a few thousand people there, and then into the hundreds of thousands.
For those that don't know, to get into the speech itself, there was a division at the ellipse, and it was almost like a concert gating where you had to go through and you couldn't have anything.
You couldn't have a backpack.
You couldn't even have a selfie stick or they wouldn't let you go through.
Now, this resulted in hundreds, if not thousands, of unattended backpacks.
And the thing that was driving in my head at that time is during the war on terror phase of my life, we were always told, if you see something, say something.
And those unattended bags, they were dangerous.
And now we're in this situation where there could be all these domestic terrorists, at least that's what they tell us after the fact, and all these unattended bags and nobody concerned.
Now, little do I know at that point that there's actually a pipe bomber afoot at the Capitol that still hasn't been identified, putting unattended bags that apparently have explosive devices throughout DC, completely unaccountable.
And then I get up to the Capitol and there is no security.
Now, I've been to concerts, again, with way more security than was at the Capitol.
We know that the President of the United States at the time was requesting the National Guard in the previous days for this event, and it was refused to him.
How do we convey that message that it seems like from the very beginning, this setup was doomed to fail because there was a commission speech, a gathering that was supposed to take place at the Capitol after this speech and event.
And that's something that is never talked about by the mainstream media.
I think the way you tell it is just transparency and that's why I've been a little bit disappointed with the rate of the amount of this surveillance footage that's come out.
There is a lot of interest.
Still around january 6th.
Obviously, the media is driven at home and they keep saying insurrection insurrection, and that's for their own strategic purposes here.
But as a result of that, there's a lot of interest and I think that there's a lot of appetite for people who want to actually look through that footage.
And, and that is again uh, the people's house the, the security footage and the whole.
We have to uh, restrict the, your ability to see it, because it's security.
That's not true.
That building has 24-hour access.
They've had adequate time.
There's no question that in three years that they could have gone through this, this footage, and then pulled out if there was anything that was extra sensitive.
But the fact that they've been loath to do that and, on the other side of things, when they've been prosecuting people for whatever they were alleged to have committed that day, they've withheld certain footage uh, that would be that would vote in their favor to me just smacks about this.
Uh, the fact that the, the government, is now weaponized against particular individuals in, in in the country uh, and you look at the, the mission creep that's happened.
You mentioned the war on terror.
I was reminded of this.
The mission creep that has come in the last two decades.
Uh, since the war on terror, really terror really ramped up.
We had the homegrown violent extremist in the early 2000s and that evolved into the domestic violent extremists that we've heard about in the last few years and now we have the Agave, the anti-government, anti-authority violent extremists, because the government is just incredibly widening the net, because they're looking for opportunities.
The mission creep is there and that is why i've continued to hammer that.
January 6th itself.
You might want not want to talk about what happened that day for electoral reasons, if you're a political person, or for whatever reason you have, but it is a symptom of a growing problem that has emerged within federal law enforcement, where they're being driven by a quota system and they're able to achieve it with january 6th and it is a boondoggle for them to grow their bureaucracy and to actually personally financially benefit themselves.
You know, I want to get back to that gradual incrementalism that has been used, you know, from post 9-11 into the Patriot Act and homeland security and then these fusion centers, and you talked about these domestic extremists back in the the day.
You know things like the MYC report, but first I really love to get your take on the bomber.
You know that this is an issue that still has not been resolved.
There's obviously massive footage of this person.
Dc may be the most surveilled place in the world, let alone the country, and they still have not found this pipe bomber that was out there on the eve of january 6th.
What are your thoughts there?
There's a lot of investigative steps that have not been taken.
This individual that are very suspicious.
Obviously they've used the geofence technology To identify people who just walked through the Capitol.
And this was at a time of day where there was not going to be a lot of foot traffic, and yet they've been unable or unwilling to use that to identify the potential person.
I've talked to people who have looked at the surveillance footage and they've been able to actually identify the vehicle this person entered and exited from, and maybe even getting a license plate from it.
I know people who were working in the Washington field office, and there was actually a lead on an individual who they thought might have been the pipe bomber, and they were pulled back and not allowed to investigate that further.
And I've heard through a whistleblower who was working within there that they've actually identified some of the bomb-making material.
And it might surprise you or not surprise you to know that it is training material from the Department of Homeland Security.
That's huge.
I've not heard either of those things.
We got to make sure that we clip that out and we put that out there because that really does show you a predication for a possible false flag if indeed the capital scenario does not go the way that those that would have sent that pipe bomber out there.
And that's speculation, but if any of the things you just said about that are true, I mean, obviously, this needs further discussion.
Clipping Out Predictions00:02:36
We've got to take a break.
Before we take that break, tell people about this upcoming event you have.
It's going to be January 6th.
So this coming Saturday, I've been invited to attend an event with Brandon Stracha.
We're going to be speaking to a crowd there about January 6th, about the abuses that obviously Mr. Strzoka suffered and others in the area.
Florida has had more people who have come under arrest or come under investigation by the Department of Justice and the FBI than any other state in the Union.
And I'll be there to talk about not only January 6th, but the weaponization that we've seen as a result of that downstream over the last three years.
And I'm excited to get there.
And it's a free event.
Encourage everyone to come.
I also encourage people to come out to that event.
We got to take a break.
When we come back, I do want to talk about this gradual move towards coming inward on the American people via the Injustice Department.
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And we are back with Stephen Friend.
And Stephen, we were discussing kind of the rise of where we are today in this quota system that has to find quote-unquote domestic terrorists at this point.
Now, I look at what happened after 9-11 as a smorgasbord for the military-industrial complex and the administrative state that had been growing for decades that really took advantage of the rest of us.
Keeping Tabs on Domestic Terrorists00:12:14
You know, I mentioned the Patriot Act, the NDAA, we could talk about the Military Commissions Act, but really, Homeland Security, a lot of people forget this, did not exist pre-9/11.
Things like the TSA did not exist.
And Homeland Security also opened up this privatized window where you had these pseudo-government agencies or fusion centers set up.
And by 2008, 2009, they were making reports that were going after not only the militia movement, which had been written up in other FBI and law enforcement documents before, but extending it to constitutionalists or Ron Paul supporters, as he had been running for president and gained some prominence at the time.
And at the same time, we talk about that white supremacy playbook that they continually use.
Well, they tried to hit Ron Paul with that same thing back in the day.
And now we've moved beyond these fusion centers with outward policy from these departments where they're going after people for speaking up at their school boards or trying to defy authoritarian mandates via the COVID 1984 nightmare.
You've been in law enforcement a long time.
Where have you seen this gradual move?
And maybe what are some of the most egregious examples that you've seen throughout the years that kind of started to wake you up?
Well, just look through the time since September 11th.
I think that's really when it got ramped up into hyperdrive.
And you had the term emerge, homegrown violent extremist.
And those were told, we were told that those were individuals who were first generation American, sympathetic to al-Qaeda or Boko Haram.
But if you actually look at the facts of so many of these cases, you take the Liberty City 7, that's still the biggest al-Qaeda arrest in the history of the FBI, except none of those individuals had any connection with al-Qaeda.
And they just took that playbook and ran it against another vulnerable group.
So we had homegrown violent extremists, and that evolved into domestic violent extremists, which you talked about with Ron Paul.
And it's now been described as people who might fly a Betsy Ross flag or a Gatston flag or go to their school board meeting and express their outrage with CRT being taught to their children.
And now the most recent revelation that we've had, and this has been on the books for a couple of years, and I'm glad you mentioned Homeland Security because the FBI and Homeland Security a few years ago co-authored a assessment about the Agave, the anti-government, anti-authority violent extremist.
And that specifically describes individuals who have just merely a perception of government overreach, negligence, or illegitimacy as having domestic terrorist sympathies.
So if you believe that the government overreached with COVID, or there might be some negligence happening at the southern border, or you might have questions about the greatest mail-in ballot scheme that's happened in the history of the country from electoral process, that now puts you in the crosshairs of the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI as a potential domestic terrorist.
And that is not in keeping with a traditional constitutional republic where we have free speech.
And when we talk about so many of these cases that are thrown out in the media as them thwarting a terror attack or bringing down al-Qaeda, you really have not only entrapment, but often you have them taking advantage of either extremely poor individuals who are really doing this just for the money or maybe even to rob the person that turns out to be an agent.
We've had that several times.
Or they're literally going after mentally challenged young individuals that never would have been part of this except for to go along with what this FBI agent is trying to make them do.
Exactly.
It's the same playbook that they keep running back on the vulnerable people amongst us.
They might have some mental issues.
They might have some financial issues.
And now they've actually weaponized this conspiracy aspect to it.
So they've been able to rope in multiple people for a plot that is completely contrived by the government, where they recruit people via an informant and then introduce an undercover.
And there could be multiple undercovers.
And they will essentially hatch the plot for them and then hand them the means to do it and then arrest them for it and then try to expand the dragnet to as many people as possible.
So it could be somebody who's hard up for money and you say, hey, I just need you to be a lookout while I'm doing something.
I can't tell you very much about it.
And you get that person to do it.
And now they're roped into a conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack.
And now you've been able to create this and cultivate this narrative that it's an actual domestic terrorist organization.
And now you're playing with fire because you get to advertise to the media about this great job that you did.
You get to go to Congress and say that, look how much good we did with the money that you gave us.
Why don't you give us some more?
And that is why this quota system called integrated program management is so problematic to have from a federal law enforcement standpoint because it incentivizes the FBI and all the mechanisms of the federal government to actually increase the crime stats as opposed to bring it down, which is what you want from your local sheriff.
That's who you elect.
You want him to bring the crime numbers down.
If he doesn't do it, you find someone else.
But now the FBI is incentivized to bring the numbers up to justify its budget.
And actually, senior executives get bonuses in the five-figure area because they are able to hit their quotas of arrests and domestic terrorist disruptions they can have, et cetera, et cetera.
And, you know, you talk about arrests and then domestic terrorist disruptions.
The bottom line is, most of these people never receive that designation of a quote-unquote terrorist.
If in fact they do, they really don't have any due process to begin with.
But when you're talking about these things, I think to myself, the Whitmer plot.
You know, a lot of people that opened their eyes that the FBI was entrapping people.
But what was so alarming about that is you had this initial trial.
Most of these people were fully acquitted, but then they just brought more charges on them.
You know, we used to have a thing called double jeopardy in this country where you couldn't be charged for the same crime twice.
You know, they got around that, but they were able to get a lot more convictions in the second round.
How do we explain to people and shine the light that this was indeed a setup?
And most of the people involved were actually federal informants in the first place.
But, you know, we're combating a media that's projecting something totally different, which then empowers these agencies to continue to do what they're doing.
You have to give those individuals a voice.
And look, this might be news to you, but I was actually involved with the tail end of that case, the Whitmer takedown.
I was a SWAT operator and I was sent to assist with the arrest.
They manipulated me at that point.
They manipulated all the operators for that.
We were told that those individuals were sophisticated militia that planned to kidnap and execute the governor of Michigan.
They told us that they had the same capabilities as us, the same equipment and communication ability, and they had encrypted communications that if any one of them came into contact with law enforcement, that they were going to arrive at a predetermined location and engage us in a gunfight.
So essentially, they ramped us up to engage in a gunfight with these guys as it came out.
They were just vulnerable people who were not predisposed to commit any sort of crime, but the government identified them and then roped them into this scheme and drove them so they could have this October surprise to interrupt the 2020 election and have this messaging battle.
And that was really when the scales started to fall away from my eyes far more rapidly than they had because I saw a lot of the Venn diagram overlap with the January 6th case and the Whitmer case, where there was a government plot afoot.
There were definitely undercovers.
There were definitely informants who were driving innocent people to do things that they were not predisposed to do.
And it just is not in keeping with what your oath of office is.
And that is with protecting the Constitution, protecting the civil rights of the individuals, protecting the continuity of the government, and not looking at people as opportunities to get numbers, which is what the FBI and the DOJ are really clearly interested in at this point.
So when they're talking to you and getting you prepped to go in there, I had no idea you were part of the tail end of this case and arrest these people.
You said they were ramping you up for a firefight.
What did you find in reality when you actually did that raid?
And do you feel like they were almost hoping that some kind of firefight would break out?
Because that would be huge in the media and a lot easier to convict these people in the court of public opinion if it had?
I've come around to actually believe and suspect that that was the case.
When we arrived there, we received a briefing that was atypical to anything I had.
And I did five years of SWAT in the FBI.
And we got a briefing where these individuals were described as near peer.
We were shown video footage of them training, and we were told that they were every bit as equipped and capable as us.
And it was essentially laid out that we might not win this fight if it came to that.
And as it came to pass, because I actually paid attention, I was a professional.
I took great interest in my job, and I was proud of myself after that day because I took it on good faith that the individuals who were working that case and brought that investigation forward had done so in the right and proper way.
But that didn't come to pass.
They used undercovers, they used informants.
There were situations where there was two-thirds of the people in the room who were all agents of the government.
That is not in keeping with what your oath of office is.
That's not in keeping with what your focus is.
That's identifying a person and then trying to drive them to commit or at least go down the road towards committing a crime as opposed to actually protecting the American people from fraud and force.
And I see a lot of overlap with that and any other of these plots that we've seen, especially emerge in the last few years, because it's again, vulnerable people who the government identifies and then pushes to do things as opposed to interceding and stopping evildoers from taking the actions that they actually were intending to commit.
We got to take a break, but when we come back, I want to ask you about the direction of the Justice Department and our law enforcement agencies.
The event is January 6th, Sanford, Florida.
What really happened on January 6th?
We'll be back with Stephen Friend after this.
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And Stephen, I've been concerned with our Justice Department, our FBI, our CIA, our executive within an executive for some time now.
You know, I was warning people, Bill Barr is not your friend.
And now you know that the Department of Justice was sitting on that Hunter Biden laptop.
Know that these intelligence officials colluded to try to propagate that that was Russian disinformation.
We know that they've dragged their feet on the pipe bomber.
We know that they've put people in prison for sometimes not even showing up to January 6th itself.
When you look at the case of Tario, he's now going to spend two decades in prison if these people have their way.
Concerns About Intelligence Agencies00:07:08
Is there any way to save this system?
And if so, what are the steps that we have to take to do so?
We have to return to focusing on the fair process as opposed to the wins and losses column that they've been distracted by.
If you are a professional in law enforcement, you are not a system disruptor.
You are a system idealist.
The system disruptors are the people who want to break the law.
The system idealist is someone who believes in the Constitution, believes in their oath of office, the law, the policies, and the procedures.
And you bring the case forward and at the end of it, that person has their day in court in front of a jury of their peers.
The win and loss is just in following the fair process.
And I think the best way we can do that, and we can properly incentivize a federal law enforcement agency to do what local law enforcements do every day is to actually empower the local law enforcement side of things.
The Congress, through the power of appropriation and funding, could actually do this today.
And they should defund the armed special agent, the armed 1811 criminal investigator from every agency with the exception of the United States Marshals and make them unarmed agencies, make them bureaus of investigation that must then partner with local police departments and sheriff's office and state law enforcement officers so that the sheriff in your town, in your county, who you elect, who is the highest elected law enforcement official,
who's most responsive to you because you're his constituent and knows where the usual suspects are and knows the crime that is plaguing his area, can direct the federal resources and his individuals, because we still have a United States Marshal Service, can be cross-deputized as federal agents and then they can choose to bring state charges or federal charges if necessary.
And that way you're not dealing with a double jeopardy situation.
And you're not going to have a 6 a.m. FBI raid on your house with the SWAT team because the FBI is not going to have a SWAT team anymore.
And this is not a way of defunding the police that I think believe a lot of people on the conservative side of things are afraid of pulling back the FBI.
This is actually empowering local police.
And I think that that is a way to actually make the agency better, even if they didn't have the current problems they do.
The ultimate question is, the FBI gets $11 billion.
If you were starting from scratch, if you were going to construct an agency as it's presently operating, do you think that that $11 billion is going the right way?
And I don't think anyone across the political spectrum would think that it is right now.
We need major reform, if not outright abolishment, starting from scratch.
Well, I got to tell you, that's the first time I've heard something like that proposed to de-arm all these agencies.
First of all, I think it's brilliant.
A lot of people don't realize that even the IRS has armed agents and to take away that use of force directly by these agencies and then have them go through your elected official.
You know, you've mentioned the sheriff's department a couple times now, and I often preach about the sheriff's department and how that is your elected official and that is somebody that you want to interact with because at the end of the day, they are the localized law of the land and moving things in that direction of county and state rights, decentralization.
I think that's a key component.
I've also liked the idea of Vivek Ramaswamy, who says he's going to come in if he's elected, and he's literally going to take the bureaucracy down by half on day one by just firing everybody with an odd social security number.
And what do you think about something like that?
I think that's inventive, and that's a good way to at least slice everything in half.
Nothing's not going to run.
It will have a lot more people taking value in their position.
And then, if you're able to take a reform like the one you said and disarm this as you're reforming it, that could be a real solution.
I agree.
I mean, there would be obviously some sort of court pushback on that.
I think there would probably be a lawsuit file, but hey, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission from the Gramaswami standpoint.
If people are worried about that, they just need to look back to 2020 when the federal government essentially shut down because of coronavirus.
And significant portions, even though we were deemed essential, we were told to go home and not do any work.
And was there really any aspect of what the FBI alleges and purports to do and touts itself and calls itself a premier law enforcement agency?
Was there anything that was done during that time or not done that actually impacted your day-to-day life?
I would contend no.
The civil unrest that we have was a local matter.
It was something that could have been addressed by the police departments and it wasn't being addressed because the feds were leaning on local agencies to not do so.
So I think that if you looked at 2020 as an example, and people will realize that the absence of action from the FBI largely for an entire calendar year had almost no impact in their lives, I might get them to have an appetite to embrace the idea that this country existed before an FBI.
It can certainly exist after an FBI, or one that's been really reined back in through something like let's eliminate half the people and actually empower the local guys.
You also need to do things like defund the intelligence collection that's going on because the FBI is clearly an intelligence agency rather than law enforcement.
And then obviously get rid of this quota system.
And again, that's back to the sheriff.
The sheriff can say, I'm not interested in meeting your quotas for domestic violent extremist cases here, FBI.
I'm interested in dealing with the fentanyl that's coming over the border into my town.
And I want to address that and direct the resources to best serve the people.
And I think that that's really the way to go.
The doctrine of the lesser magistrate is a real thing and it's a way that we should lean on to bring the federal government to heal.
What about criminal accountability within these organizations?
It's pretty apparent to me that especially in the FBI and the CIA, some of these people in the upper echelons have engaged in criminal behavior.
Do we need some kind of criminal accountability, of which I've not really seen in my generation when we're talking about this level of government?
I would argue the last time we saw it even on a micro scale would be the Iran-Contra affair.
Don't we need something like that across agencies to send a message?
Without question.
And I'm loath to always say we need to make an example, but when you swear an oath and you're in a position of public trust and the stakes are higher.
If you mess up, it's not an error, an honest mistake.
You've taken and abused your power.
There needs to be an energetic effort to go after the people who have abused their power.
We hear about this conspiracy against rights that they went after Douglas Mackey for sharing a meme against Hillary Clinton, and they've tried to imprison him for that.
Tell me that the conspiracy against rights hasn't happened from individuals at the upper echelons, even down into the rank and file, into the middle management levels.
And I think that also people like Christopher Wray, who's the director of the FBI, has gone and perjured himself on multiple occasions and documented that no agents have been reassigned from working child pornography to investigate January 6th, or no agents did surveillance at school board meetings.
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I testify contrary to that, and I can tell you that exactly what I did and exactly what happened to me.
There needs to be accountability here because otherwise it's just going to happen again.
Absolutely.
Sanford, Florida, January 6th, what really happened on January 6th is the presentation.
Go check it out.
We got to take one more break with Stephen.
be back and I want to talk about where we are with Majorkis and others in this Biden administration.
Can this country really endure another four years of this Biden administration?
It's making sense of the madness, and we'll be back after this.
Sean Morgan here with an AMP Consumer Report.
You know, big corporations are buying up local electronics repair stores and shutting them down.
But I'm here with one Patriot business owner, Suzanne, who owns electronics repair business, who has survived and thrived in Phoenix, Arizona.
Can you tell me about what devices you repair?
How does it work for them to send it to you in the mail from Phoenix?
And you also do data recovery and OS.
Is that right?
Well, as far as mailing in, they can just simply, they're perfect good packaging for iPhones or any kind of mobile devices and iPads and laptops.
They're very easily shippable.
I think desktops will be more of a problematic.
I rarely repair desktops.
Most people have laptops.
When they come in, I immediately diagnose, order the part.
If there are iPhones, we have all the parts in stock.
So it'll be fixed and shipped the same day.
And finally, the OS support.
What's that all about?
The OS support means my experience has been most of the time when people are having slowness in their devices or it freezing or the video goes out.
Often I find out to be having multiple malware installed on their laptop.
I remove the malware and OS comes automatically with its own malware and problem solved.
And also I do have some level of tune up to do to the software to speed it up.
So it sounds like if someone has a problem with their electronics device, you probably have a solution.
And so if you want to talk to Susan about your broken device or data recovery issue, you can call her or email her with the information on the screen or below the video.
Final segment with special agent Stephen Friend.
And Stephen, this has been an incredible interview.
I really want to thank you for your time.
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We now have the drumbeats of a possible impeachment of Maorkis, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden.
That impeachment has been discussed, Comer, et cetera.
Isn't this just ceremonious at this point?
We're not going to convict these people of any crimes.
And we obviously, again, have an injustice department that continues to cover up these crimes for individuals like Biden, who was a career yes man, literally a part of that swamp in Delaware, the state probably most notorious for money laundering.
He took almost every establishment position throughout the years.
And in my generation, I've never seen a more outward puppet as it was apparent during the primaries back in 2020 that he was on the verge of dementia and really not in control of himself, let alone the possibility of being in control of this country.
So where do we stand?
Are we able to get any kind of accountability with this administration in power?
And is there any hope of getting another administration or the Trump administration back in?
I think presently as it stands, we have to be very honest about where this country is.
And that is the fact that this country is engaged in a cold civil war.
One side is very libertine and conservative in its worldview, and it believes that we can all just get along.
We all want the same things.
It doesn't matter who the yard sign is.
As long as you mow your lawn, I can get along with you as my neighbor.
And the other side has embraced the Borg from Star Trek and says that which not is banned is required.
You will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.
And that's an irreconcilable difference.
One side has turned its launch keys here.
And unless we have a mutually assured destruction from both sides, it's not going to stop.
Now, I think at the federal level, I agree with you.
I don't think there's going to be any sort of impeachment of Majorkis.
And this is very largely symbolic.
And it's probably more for let's make hay politically for the next go around or during the election cycle.
This is something that I can campaign on.
I think that any sort of effort through mutually assured destruction through the lawfare side of things needs to come from the states, needs to come from a red state attorney general or maybe a district attorney.
We've seen that happen in Fulton County.
We've seen it happen from Alvin Bragg in Manhattan.
I think that there can be charges brought against significant members of the administration and should be brought.
They certainly, the legal code book is very long and thick, and you can find charges in there.
They're every bit as probable cause exists for those as much as we've seen against the 18 conspirators in Fulton County or the other charges that have been lobbed at former President Trump.
As far as a future administration, you know, I know it's sort of a getting out of the question, but I continue to hammer home, it doesn't matter to me because we could elect George Washington the president, and it's not going to matter because the way that the federal government has now been arranged with so much power, George Washington could not have succeeded as our first president with the way that our government at a federal level is presently constituted.
We need to rein back that power.
And the only way to do that is to seize it back at the local and state level.
So my preferred candidate for office is the individual who's running for rep at the state legislature where I live in Florida.
I want to focus in on my town and my community and my state.
And if we do that and we pull the power back to the states and restore this country to a constitutional republic, a United States of America, I think that that's the way that we can pull back from the brink because we are just way too top heavy at this standpoint.
Well, first of all, I think that your perspective is refreshing because I often point to the fact that Trump himself couldn't have been in more of a position of power to actually challenge and audit the election than being the president of the United States at the time and was not allowed to do so.
And not only not allowed to do so, but because he decided to run for the president again, you have all of these indictments.
You mentioned the lawfare that's being waged.
I guess my final question for you then is: what does the country look like if they actually put him in prison?
You talked about a cold civil war.
I don't think this country can actually have a quote-unquote hot civil war.
If you look at the demographics from our Civil War, when it actually occurred, how many people were actually in the country, and the fact that the military was as armed as the general populace.
In other words, there wasn't this large gap in technology and cohesion.
I don't think that we would see an actual civil war.
However, the appearance of a civil war or riots or quote-unquote local insurrections or battles that could institute types of martial law and military involvement in this country is something I'm concerned about.
So, what do you think happens if they actually put Trump in prison?
Well, I would remove the if part of that question.
I don't think I have no doubt in my mind that that's going to happen this year.
And that's what concerns me.
It's not just the fact that they're going to convict and sentence a former president to some form of incarceration.
It's the fact that there are large portions of the country, many people who believe that they're in the know because they're following the news, they're listening to podcasts and programs such as yourselves.
And they are not being told that by those media personalities because they're unwilling to go there because it's an uncomfortable truth.
I think we need to put that out there so people can stop whistling past the graveyard.
And then they're actually mentally prepared to actually come up and formulate a plan for how to address that.
I think a lot of people are going to be caught off guard, and that's what concerns me because that's going to have chaos.
And then there might be, in fact, violence.
As far as an actual civil war, I think, yeah, if you go back to the 19th century, geographically, even the states that shared sentiments with each other were next to each other.
So it made it actually easier for there to be a break apart and to actually have that conflict.
Now it's not so much.
I think, though, we'll continue to see and maybe ramp up a balkanization that we're seeing.
And it started really in earnest in 2020 during the coronavirus madness as people fled states like California and Illinois and New York to places like Texas and Tennessee and Florida.
And we'll have that in more so.
And the only question then is: are people ready?
Are they really fortifying their local areas?
And that actually could be the salvation for the country.
We could return to something more along the lines of what the founders saw, where we have 50 different laboratories around the country that are engaging in governing themselves.
And then we are able to come together for a limited number of things like securing the border.
But I have more questions myself than answers, but I just really am hammering home that we need to have an awareness so that we can have a preparation and people who are interested in this at least can start to formulate a plan of response.
Because if we don't and we're caught flat-footed, I really do fear for the safety of the country.
Stephen, super refreshing perspective.
I share that perspective.
I don't think it's an if, but when, and then it is a what happens next.
So we got to have you back.
Thank you so much for coming.
January 6th is the event over in Sanford, Florida.
It is 7 p.m.
Go out and support it when we come back.
We're going to be with Andrew Eaton.
He is of GoldGateCapital.com.
He's the vice president over there.
He's going to give us some economic predictions for 2024.
final segment of Making Sense of the Madness after this.
I don't
know if this country can be saved.
The information war on any battlefield, on any physical battlefield that I have been on, has always been the most important component of war itself.
So there were actually people in our government that were in the executive branch undermining the president of the United States without his knowledge.
So that's basically an act of treason.
And we are back.
We are joined by Andrew Eaton of GoldGateCapital.com.
He's the vice president.
Andrew, thank you so much for joining us.
Now, it is a new year.
Just yesterday, I was talking about the new economic predictions with Mark Schaffline, the Reuters piece out there talking about a new economic order.
First off, introduce yourself to the audience, give a little bit of your background, and what are some of your predictions that we're going to be seeing upcoming in this year?
Sure.
Jason, thank you so much for having us.
I work as a vice president and senior account executive for Gold Gate Capital.
We specialize in gold and silver physically placed into retirement plans.
We also do direct deliveries, but I spend a lot of time talking to individual clients, households about some of the risks in the economy.
So I do a lot of research.
I study various economists and I pick apart things and I try to break it down into layman's terms to make it so that the average American can understand exactly what's going on.
And so, you know, there's a lot of predictions for 2024.
There was a lot of predictions for 2023.
You know, there was a lot of doom and gloom.
You know, people were saying that the sky was going to fall in 2023.
It didn't exactly happen that way.
And the predictions are very similar for this year.
But what we did see, you know, we saw bank failures at the beginning of the year in 2023 as a result of rapid rate hikes.
And that is why, you know, really my focus right now when I talk to my clients is talking about inflation, how the Fed deals with inflation, what that can cause, deflation, and how the Fed likes to deal with deflation and the vicious cycle that we see.
And yeah, you know, right now, the cost of living is too high.
That's a cost of inflation.
The Fed, you know, what they do when inflation is high, they raise interest rates, like I was saying, which the goal is to trigger a recession.
So we have seen a slowdown, and we technically have been in a recession, although that's not felt by everyone.
The inflation is still being felt.
You know, I believe it's being grossly misreported.
It is easy to see that inflation is higher than they're reporting through the cost of living with gas, rent, food, and other basic living necessities, which they don't use as a measurement in CPI.
So I don't think that makes a lot of sense.
But yeah, if you look at the American purchasing power right now from 2020, did you know that it is down 22.41% since 2020?
I mean, that's just the American dollar.
Well, I was not aware of that specific number, but it sure feels like I'm paying much more than even 20 plus percent from 2020, especially pre-COVID numbers.
You know, you talked about real inflation.
And, you know, I went shopping on January 2nd, and I used to run a bar about the week before Christmas.
We would all get together and we would figure out, hey, what liquor do we have to up?
What beer do we have to up?
And you see a quarter, 50 cent uptick.
Some things didn't go up in price, but I definitely felt it at the grocery store.
You know, things that had come down a little bit over the last six months or so, things like eggs that I, for a long time, was accustomed to getting a dollar or less a dozen.
They were back to almost $2.
Ground beef that I saw going back around that $3.50 mark.
That's back to $5.
Dairy, butter, bread, the basics have all increased to the point that not even the quote unquote dollar store that turned into a $1.25 store last year on the heels of inflation has these products anymore.
Good luck getting a roll of hot dogs at the dollar store.
So many things have been taken off the table that now what the dollar store has a three and five dollar section as well.
These are things that the average person are actually feeling.
And I feel like my buying power has decreased.
Well, you're not alone.
I mean, unfortunately, I'm in California.
I was born in Florida, and so I feel it the most.
I can't leave the house without spending $150 with whatever I'm doing.
I could go to the grocery store and my groceries will cost $200.
I feel like over here in Los Angeles, where I live, everything is two, three, four times more expensive than the rest of the country.
I mean, I could drive an hour and get gas, you know, a quarter of the price of what we have in California.
So we feel it very much here.
As you know, this is a very democratic state.
And so, you know, a lot of the stuff that we're experiencing is stuff that other states are trying to avoid.
But, you know, when I look at inflation and I follow, you know, what the Fed's been doing with the interest rate hikes, according to the CPI, it is working.
Inflation was at over 7% towards the end of 2022, and it's lowered down to 3.1%, which was reported on November of last year, 2023.
So the rate hikes are working.
But what comes next when they're raising rates so rapidly?
And we've seen this in the past.
And I follow various economists.
I'm sure you have people that have come on here talking about Jim Rickards and some of his predictions.
And he's long talked about deflation being the biggest risk for the U.S. economy and how the biggest solver of inflation is actually what triggers deflation.
So that's when the Fed issues rapid rate hikes and defers governments and households from borrowing and saving money.
So what happens with deflation and how can that impact Americans and their savings?
Not only does deflation signal a stagnating economy, it can lead to unemployment, unaffordable debt repayments, drops in equities, which is what we saw.
And do you remember when the last period of deflation was?
Well, according to Shaftline, he believes there's been slight deflation via the Biden administration in the last six months to a year or so.
But with the mega influx of the dollar, you know, we had over 80% of the current dollars in circulation printed from 2020 on, really the COVID-19 44 nightmare, which was completely unprecedented.
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So it's really hard for me to tell what to believe other than what I'm spending on a daily basis.
What's your take?
Well, I mean, what you're talking about is the Federal Reserve's can kicking, which they've gotten so good at.
They've stalled economic crisis through quantitative easing.
And that's unfortunately their solution to deflation.
Their solution to inflation is raising interest rates.
And their solution to deflation is quantitative easing.
And that's why there's a vicious cycle here that really can't be avoided.
Now, the last period in history when we saw deflation in a significant way that triggered a big event that impacted the U.S. was between 2007 and 2009.
And, you know, a lot of Americans remember what happened then because they lost a lot of money.
Stock markets were cut in half.
We saw bank failures similar to what we saw at the beginning of the year.
It rocked the financial markets.
It rocked the banking systems.
And so with rapid rate hikes, I feel like something similar is coming, especially when they're talking about lowering interest rates, which a lot of people are eyeing as the solution and the sign that the economy is doing well.
And that really is not the truth, in my opinion.
And as a broker of precious metals, what else did we see in 2007 and between 2007 and 2009 with deflation?
We saw gold and silver investments take off.
That's when we saw a massive gold and silver bull market.
And it's because when there is deflation, people don't want dollars.
They don't want their money in the bank.
They want a different form of currency.
They want currency that's not in the bank.
And so with gold and silver, that is the solution to that.
Gold and silver, especially gold, really, it's a global currency.
It is valued at a similar value across the globe based on whatever country's currency is valued at.
And so whether the dollar exists or not, or whether the dollar is doing well or not, gold and silver will hold its value or gold will hold its value.
And that's why a lot of investors will flock to precious metals.
It's also physical, so they don't have to have it in the bank.
They don't have to have it in a brokerage account or IRA.
If they do want to invest with a company like mine, there are options for you to do gold and silver IRAs, which are physical.
And you can always contact my company or myself.
I'm an account executive as well as a vice president.
So if anybody is watching this, they can ask for me directly.
But I believe that what we're seeing right now with inflation, interest rate hikes, and the talks about lowering interest rates, I see a potential situation like 2007, the beginning of 2007 and what we saw happen in 2008.
I mean, what do you think about that?
Well, my question for you would be, where do you think that gold and silver tops off at?
And on top of that, 2007 to 2009, there was a market that wasn't in existence that I think is now almost in direct competition with something like gold and silver.
And that's, of course, the digital crypto market.
You know, we have seen Bitcoin come around to $45,000 on this rebound from its height of the pump and dump during the pandemic, where it was basically over $60,000.
We now have BlackRock, Vanguard, and others directly investing in this.
Where do you think that the precious metals market in regards to big crypto like Ethereum and Bitcoin will be?
Well, I mean, you got to look at where most of the money is.
Most of the money is in retirement accounts with Americans that are in their 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s.
I mean, they're not equipped to navigate a complicated market like cryptocurrency yet.
Even me as a young man, I had tons of money invested in crypto and took a bunch of risky investments, plays.
And I was tied up in the Luna Terra, which was something that was supposed to be like a US dollar.
So it was supposed to be stable.
And the UST is what it was called.
And the rug was pulled out from under it.
And that was about two years ago that happened.
I remember when that happened, actually.
I keep up with the crypto market.
So many people were trying to sell me on that.
So many people tried to sell me on things like Matic, et cetera.
And I tell people to be extremely careful.
Monero, a lot of these coins that you said were either supposed to be stable coins or rested in some kind of value have been devalued 80 to 90%.
You're never going to see that in the precious metals market.
We are running out of time.
Tell people where, once again, they can get a hold of you and why precious metals is at least the safe bet going forward.
So, you know, you can go to our website, www.goldgatecapital.com.
You can also call me directly at 310-494-7134.
Again, that's 310-494-7134.
As you can see on the screen here, that is our website.
With precious metals, this is a diversification strategy.
So, we're not recommending everybody takes everything out of all of their investments and throws it into gold and silver.
This is you, you know, nesting away some funds, having it in a safe position outside of the banks.
You know, if you want to invest in cryptocurrency, other investments, you can do that.
Right now, what a lot of economists are recommending, including myself, is looking at 20, 25%.
I see gold and silver, you know, going up with interest rates being lowered.
That's the signal.
Banks like JP Morgan or Chase Bank are saying that gold could hit 2,500 per ounce this year.
They've been saying they said that last year, but we didn't see interest rates go down.
We saw interest rates go up, which is not good for gold and silver.
It suppresses the price.
So, I see a lot of opportunity with precious metals.
Silver is still 100% away from its previous high back in 2008.
And so, you know, both gold and silver are both, you know, there's a lot of opportunity between the two investments, whether it be to store value or grow.
So, thank you so much, Jason.
Thank you.
We've run out of time.
We'll definitely have you back.
And thank you guys for watching Monday through Friday here on Ampnews.us, where the truth lives.