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Police State And The Woking Dead With Dinesh D'Souza And A.J Rice | MSOM Ep. 850

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Government Mobilizing Against Citizens 00:11:51
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and another banger of an episode.
First, we're joined by Dinesh D'Souza to discuss his new documentary, Police State.
Then we got A.J. Rice talking about his book, The Woking Dead.
Buckle the truck up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
Chief Division Counsel and DOJ have approved a no-not breach.
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Are we becoming a police state?
Government told American citizens they couldn't go to church on Sunday.
For the first time in my life, say to myself, am I going to get a knock at the door?
FBI warrant, come to the door now.
The Patriot Act and FISA were used against Donald Trump.
These individuals have commissioned the biggest propaganda play in U.S. history.
They don't go after the people that rigged the election.
They go after the people that want to find out what the hell happened.
We don't need to have a crime.
What we need is a person to look at.
And then we go find out what crime you did.
Our focus is shifting.
Our main priority as a Bureau is going to be domestic terrorism.
Willie paints anybody who's right of center.
If you're a pro-life, pro-family Catholic, they define you as radical.
These are anti-government.
We have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
Violent extremists, and they must be dealt with.
We can do anything we want.
And we are back.
My next guest needs really no introduction.
He is a filmmaker, and his latest one is Police State.
Dinesh D'Souza joins us.
And Dinesh, from what I've seen in this trailer, you're really taking us through the fact that in a post-9-11 world, our own justice and intelligence department have now been honed in on American citizens.
This is true.
And it's a bit of irony that the police powers that many of us, me included, helped to give to the U.S. government with the intention that they would focus on foreign terrorists.
Those very powers have now been refocused, remobilized, maybe even prioritized on American citizens.
And by American citizens here, we don't mean all American citizens.
We mean on Republicans and conservatives and patriots and Christians.
In fact, one of the reasons that our intelligence agencies may have completely missed the Hamas attack on Israel, an attack that clearly our top brass did not see coming.
It was, I think, Jake Sullivan was saying just a few days ago, the Middle East is the quietest place it's been in decades.
So clearly, this guy had no idea what was brewing, what was coming.
And I think it's because our CIA, our DHS, our FBI are chasing grandmothers who went into the Capitol for 10 minutes on January 6th.
They're looking at mothers who go to school board meetings.
So, this is a twisted sense of priorities on the part of the U.S. government.
And as you can see, it has consequences.
Now, this has been incrementally going on, but ramped up really in a way never before, especially during the COVID 1984 nightmare, where we saw an outward mergence of the media industrial complex with the military industrial complex on what you could say in the public square on social media.
And really, at the same time, we saw the Justice Department mobilizing against January 6thers.
Yeah, I think that COVID and January 6th were both deployed in order to justify the suppression and limitation of civil liberties that otherwise Americans would have never agreed to relinquish.
So, censorship, for example, started really under COVID.
You can't put out misinformation or disinformation.
And then the censorship was ramped up after January 6th.
So, our police state, so to speak, has been coming at us now from many different directions, but it has reached a point where none of our basic liberties is now safe.
I mean, just look at the Bill of Rights.
Do we have today, can we truly say a right to free speech?
No.
A right to freedom of religion and conscience?
No.
A right to freely assemble?
No.
A right to petition the government for grievances?
No.
Equal rights and equal justice under the law?
No.
So then you have to ask yourself, in what sense do we remain a quote free society?
I mean, just think about this.
I came as an immigrant to America in my teens.
I always thought we're the free world.
And then you have the unfree world, North Korea, China, Iran, the old Soviet Union.
And yet, so many of the attributes and characteristics of unfree societies are now present here in the United States.
So I want to take us on a journey of how this has been expedited, because obviously in the post-9/11 world, we saw the Patriot Act, we saw the Military Commissions Act, we saw Homeland Security.
Homeland Security turned into fusion centers.
And really, during the time of fusion centers, when we had MIAC reports and other documents leaking, you saw that they were going after Ron Paul Republicans, people that were speaking out against global government.
And now it's been ramped up even further, where mainline conservatives or quote-unquote MAGA Republicans are on the cover of Newsweek magazine as the enemy within, with an unabashed injustice department saying that they have been mobilized against them.
Yeah, it's really scary what's happened.
Sorry about this.
The MAGA movement is a real threat to the kind of conventional way of doing business in America.
And I think for this reason, it has upset the political apple cart.
As long as Republicans sort of stay in line, kind of accept their role as a sort of minority subordinate party, stay within the fence posts or the parameters established by the Biden regime and the media, then it's okay.
They don't have a problem with, say, a Mitch McConnell or certainly not with a Mitt Romney.
But when you have Trump or when you have the sort of MAGA spirit, if you will, then they got to clamp down.
And so what they've done is they have invented a fable.
And the fable is that, yes, and you hear people on the left say this, we are in danger of a police state, Dinesh, but it's coming from the right.
Trump is the true authoritarian.
And the reason we have to do all these things, including arrest him, lock him up, is because he is a threat to democracy.
Now, all of this is a way of saying that our police state is marching behind the banner of democracy, a rule of law, fighting for truth and against misinformation and disinformation.
So our police state is not nakedly imposing its power the way, let's say, Stalin's police state did.
Stalin, when he came to arrest you or sent his people to arrest you, didn't have to explain why you're being arrested, didn't have to say, I'm doing this to save communism.
They just did it because it was a brute exercise of power.
Our police state is not fully formed yet.
It's under construction.
And so they still have to lie.
They have to make up excuses.
They have to pretend like they're actually champions of freedom, not of tyranny.
Well, let's talk how they do it.
And they do it through narrative management.
Now, back in 2017, 2018, when people started being de-platformed, Alex Jones amongst them, and we really didn't reform social media then.
We then empowered those social media companies to not only de-platform a president during an election, but de-platform doctors, deplatform scientists for saying the basics.
And YouTube amongst them, you know, this is an outward technopoly.
You look at what YouTube and Google are.
I mean, Google is the number one search engine in the world.
YouTube's the number two search engine in the world.
YouTube is the number one video platform in the world, Android, on more devices than any other operating system in the world.
And then Chrome is the largest web browser in the world.
And they have narrative management based on the World Health Organization and the United Nations.
I mean, this is really a scary time where these things that are the mouthpieces control the tech companies that allow us to interact with one another.
Yeah, and right here in America, the censorship apparatus is very creepy because it is not exclusively done by the government.
In fact, if the government did it directly, you could file a clear First Amendment case.
Congress shall make no law.
The government can make no law repressing freedom of speech or of the press.
So what you have is a censorship industry that includes academia, the media, the nonprofit sector, the government, the digital platforms.
So something like this happens.
An academic will make a list of people who that should be banned from social media, let's say including me.
The list is then transferred to the Biden regime.
And then depending upon the issue or the topic, it'll be farmed out.
If it's about health, it goes to the CDC.
If it's about election fraud, it goes to CISA, the cybersecurity infrastructure agency.
So then you have the government involved, but the government doesn't want to be too blatant.
They don't want to directly order the digital platforms to do censorship.
So they operate through a middleman, an intermediary.
They will hand off the list to, let's say, the Stanford Internet Observatory or the so-called Virality Project.
Okay, guys, you be a courier.
You take this list to the digital platforms.
Then they will ban these people and the media will be cheering.
So look at the octopus of censorship sprawling across the public sector and the private sector and to some degree the nonprofit sector.
And now you have the government mobilizing not just against citizens.
I mean, you look at some of the cases, a lot of the cases in January 6th where people didn't take plea deals, Tario doing 22 years for not being there, people that went into the Capitol for 20 minutes and didn't destroy anything, literally getting over a decade in prison.
Government Mobilizing Against Citizens 00:03:39
Even how those cases were handled, where people were put in solitary confinement and their trials weren't expedited, has shown that they're going after their political enemies.
And now, for the crime of questioning an election, they've indicted a president and tried to bring fraudulent criminal charges because he questioned a fraudulent criminal election.
I mean, this is about as deep as a police state can get.
Yes, I think that police states are always one-party states.
And that's what the Democrats are trying to establish here.
Now, the difference is we had, by the way, we were sort of a one-party state in the last century in the FDR era, but that was because the Democrats just had an overwhelming majority.
They're much more gangsterized now than they are then.
They're much more determined to try to lock up their opponents, for example.
I found out in my campaign finance case in the Obama years, sitting across from the guys at the Southern District of New York, one of the prosecutorial arms of the Democratic Party, that if they could have put me away for 10 years or 20 years for a minor campaign finance violation of donating too much money to a college friend, they would have done it.
It was a real wake-up call for me because it showed me that my previous view of American politics had been somewhat naive.
Like you have, it's a debating society.
You've got two rival sides.
They put out their ideas before the American people.
The American people choose.
I realized, no, there's a lot more going on than that.
So, yes, we see a noose tightening around our liberties.
And if we're not careful, I mean, once the jaws of the police state slam shut, it's very difficult at that point to resist.
In fact, at that point, pretty much the only thing you can do is run.
Get out, get your family out, get your money out.
That's what people do in fully formed police states.
We're not there yet.
And that's really why I made this film.
It's a warning.
It's a wake-up call.
I kind of liken it to an animal that sees a movement in the trees, is trying to warn the herd that we're all in danger and we need to take some protective action.
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You're premiering it October 23rd and 25th.
We got to take a break.
We're going to come back with Dinesh D'Souza after this.
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We are back with Dinesh D'Souza.
And Dinesh, I talked about how this has been a gradual thing.
Police State Paradox 00:11:43
And I would argue that really we moved very far away from a constitutional republic beginning post-World War II, where we took compartmentalization and we built black sites and had born classified and started building and empowering these intelligence agencies.
And now these intelligence agencies, whether they be the NSA, the FBI, or the CIA, when they're exposed in clear criminal conduct, they seem to be completely and totally unaccountable.
Well, I think that the more recent change is that we have a Democratic Party that I think starting in the Obama years began to become gangsterized, began to be mobilized in a sort of very conscious way against political opponents, the IRS investigating Tea Party groups, for example.
And this has only escalated under Biden.
So now the Democrats say to themselves, and I think they're pretty clear about this, we're going to protect the FBI from its crimes, and the FBI will protect us from our crimes.
So this is why, for example, the police agencies of government, they all surround the Biden family and they run protective cover for them.
Why?
Because it's kind of like they're a mafia protecting, you know, the Don, Don Corleone, or whatever you want to call him, who's running a very mafia-style racket and was right out of the vice president's office.
So you now have a party of the police state, which means that there are some people right now in America who are safe from the police state.
In fact, people will say, well, Dinoshi, I'm never going to get banned on social media and the FBI is never going to come knocking on my door.
And I go, yeah, that's because you're helping to build the police state.
While police states are in the making or under construction, they need to have a constituency that helps them get consolidated.
Now, once a police state is fully established, they're not scared of anybody.
They will go after everybody.
Even the people who built them will not be safe.
This is the way, for example, that Stalin would go after rival communists.
He'd go after socialists.
So all the people who helped build the Bolshevik movement weren't safe at some point, but they were safe in the beginning until the police state got built.
So the question then becomes, as they get more powerful, and they've now indicted a president in four separate cases, if they jail their political enemies at the top, somebody like Trump, we're in unprecedented territory.
What does that look like in this country?
And is that the full formation of a police state if they put them behind bars?
Yes.
I mean, Trump is the sort of the poster boy.
He's the primary target.
He's the guy they want to get most of all.
And this is a very classic police state operation.
Now, interestingly, they're not out to get the Republican Party.
They're not out to sort of shut down the two-party system.
Why?
Because it helps to have the facade of a two-party system, even if you're a one-party state.
Look at Iran right now.
They have elections all the time.
Oh, there are elections.
But the point is that they only allow opposition that is controlled, that is subordinate to the regime.
China has elections as well.
So the presence of elections does not by itself mean that you don't have a one-party state.
I think Trump is the single greatest danger to the Democrats establishing the one-party state.
Even when they do, they'll still want some Republicans around to make it look like you've got an opposition, but it won't be a real or effective opposition.
So right now, when our elections are so in question, how do we take back power?
How do we move forward?
And how do we move away from this police state?
I think the most important thing is for those of us who are aware of the police state information to fearlessly use our influence.
So, when I said about to make this movie, people are like, well, Dena Shaw, don't you think you might get a visit from the FBI?
And when I sat down with Dan Bongino to talk about this film, we were like, listen, we're not really going to hold back.
This is going to be very fair-minded, but on the other hand, it's going to be fearless.
We're going to take you into the bowels of the police state.
We want to show you this kind of evil sausage-making machine at work.
And we also want to show how ordinary citizens, not just Trump or the January 6th guys, but the ordinary, the mom going to figure out what her kid is being taught in class, or some pro-life activist, what ordinary citizens going about their normal day, what happens when they come face to face with the police state.
So, there's a lot of this in the film, and I think it's going to, it's going to frighten people.
It frightened me in the process of making the film.
And it's partly also because a film shows it to you.
It's one thing if you or I were to sit down with someone and lecture them.
Americans have a hard time believing that this country could become a police state.
It's never really happened before.
So, it's a thought that's difficult to get your head around, but a film can show it to you in a way that's unforgettable.
And hopefully, it will be one factor that kind of galvanizes people into action.
Can you speak to some of those aspects in the film?
Because you have real people who have been raided for the most absurd of allegations of non-crimes by this police state.
Well, the police state is not interested in real crimes, and that's very clear because, look, we've got two phenomena going on.
You've got, on the one hand, rampant criminality in our major cities.
And it's reached such epidemic proportions that to some degree, the stores and the restaurants are sort of like they're just habituated to it.
They have policies like don't chase the guy outside the store.
And as long as he doesn't pull a knife, don't call the cops.
I mean, they literally are generating a how-to manual for when you get robbed.
Now, on the face of it, this is a puzzle because police states normally don't allow this.
You can't go to a police state right now and start robbing someone on the subway without cops showing up in truncheons, beating you senseless and dragging you away, maybe never to be seen again.
So, police states normally provide law and order.
So, how do you explain the fact that this police state has this rampant criminality going on side by side with the fact that the police agencies of government are not chasing down the criminals?
What they're doing is chasing down political opponents, trying to get the goods on Trump, trying to figure out how do we, you know, find, let's just say, pesky filmmakers like Dinesh, trying to figure out is there a way we can shut this movie down?
So, what you have is a police state obsessed with political crimes, which are nothing more than offering resistance to the building of the police state.
And at the same time, you're really destabilizing society and down the line going to empower these agencies even further.
It's very, very scary.
So, what do we do?
You know, other than just confronting it and telling people and running for office, you know, the people that have stood up often are victims of this police state.
I'm not telling them not to stand up.
I think we do need more of that.
I think we need to shine the light on it.
You know, more people watch a 90-minute film, as you know, through 10,000 mules than most other mediums.
That's a good way.
But somebody sees that, how do they look in the mirror and get activated?
What should they be doing?
Well, we have to recognize what are the most powerful institutions we have now that can block the police state.
So, I would say right now we have the Supreme Court.
That's a powerful institution.
We do have the Republican House that is at least one branch of government.
We have a lot of Republican governors, secretaries of state, attorneys general.
So, what's the problem then?
Why haven't we seen more action already?
Well, the answer is the psychology of the right.
So, the psychology of the right is principled, which is to say, if the other side pulls a gun, we shouldn't pull a gun because that is a kind of a gangsterish type of way to act.
So, we are better than that.
We are going to be on principle.
The other side wants to pack the court.
We're not going to pack the court because we believe the court should remain at nine members.
They want to politically prosecute us.
We're not going to politically prosecute them because, gee, we don't want to be like them, do we?
But here's the problem: if they get to prosecute us in the full knowledge that we will never do the same to them, then they're like, Well, this is fantastic.
We get to go after them.
And even if we fail, no worries, because if they come in to power, they will never do the same to us.
Now, the founders understood that in a society, the real checks and balances doesn't just come from a piece of paper, it comes from the rational fear that the majority and the minority in a society have of each other.
But Republicans, in a sense, tend to sort of play the gentleman in a gunfight and sort of say things like, I'm going to refuse to draw first.
And so, the situation as a result is that we've got one party that doesn't hesitate to use these gangster techniques, police state techniques, and the other party that seems relatively weak, invertebrate, powerless in stopping them.
So, part of the job of the film is to stiffen the spine of the resistance.
Do you think if Trump, despite all the obstacles around him, is able to get into office, he'll be able to rectify those type of situations through prosecutions of these people that have unjustly really come after him with lies and treason?
I do think that Trump is a very different man than the Donald Trump who got elected in 2016.
Because I think in 2016, he came in like, I'm a businessman, I'm an outsider.
And the problem with that is that when you come into government, you are very trusting of a lot of institutions of government.
Oh, the FBI told me this.
Oh, I got a briefing from the Defense Department that told me that.
And, you know, Fauci says that there's an epidemic coming and I've got to do this.
And the economy will fall to pieces if I don't do that.
So, I think in that sense, Trump was in a certain kind of well-meaning way, open to a lot of people who it turns out were out to get him, out to undermine him, out to knife him in the back, so to speak.
And so, the police agencies of government were never under Trump's control, even in the Trump administration.
And so, I find it kind of amusing because even to this day, I see leftists there like, well, Trump, Dinesh, is the face of the police state.
And I go, Really?
If you're the face of the police state, shouldn't you be running the police agencies of government?
Well, is Trump running the police agencies of government or is he running away from them?
Isn't he their main target?
And if he is their main target, how can he be the one who is the authoritarian figure who is somehow managing our police state?
It's absurd.
Dinesh, we got a couple minutes left.
What would you like to leave the audience with and tell everybody how they can get tickets to the premiere where they can check it out?
So, we have a kind of unique way of showing this film on Tuesdays, October 23rd, which is Monday, and the 25th, which is Wednesday.
Shadow Ban Horror 00:15:24
We have bought out hundreds of theaters.
You go to the website, which is policestatefilm.net, policestatefilm.net, and you watch the trailer there, of course.
But if you put in your zip code, it'll pop out the theaters that are playing near you.
And so, this is a terrific film to see in the theater.
It's very cinematic.
It's made for the theater.
So, I'd say go with your family, go with your church, go with your Republican or conservative group, go with friends.
It's going to be a very emotionally powerful and intellectually powerful experience.
Now, if you can't make it to the theater, then on Friday, October 27th, we have a virtual premiere where you can watch from home.
And we're doing this out of a fabulous studio in Las Vegas.
It'll screen the full film, and then there's a live QA, a conversation with me and Dan Bongino to follow the film, and all of that for the price of a movie ticket.
So, all the tickets can be gotten in only one place.
You can't get it from Fandango.
Don't go to the theater.
Get it from the website policestatefilm.net.
Well, Dinesh, I predict this film is going to do even better than your last one.
It is equally, if not more, important.
So, I want to thank you for putting it together.
And I just want to encourage everybody out there to go and get their tickets over at policestatefilm.net and be sure to bring others so we can get this message out and we can stop this police state over the last 20 years with all your support.
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And we are back with AJ Rice.
He is the author of The Woking Dead.
And on top of that, he is a veteran in the media industry.
AJ, thank you so much for joining us.
Why did you decide to write this book?
Jason, great to be here.
Well, we're at war.
It's a culture war.
And sometimes it spills over into a hot war with some engagements around the planet.
But we are at war.
And I wrote most of the book during what was the lockdown.
And it dawned on me long before Elon Musk was using the term woke mind virus that there was another virus afoot.
So we had a China virus keeping us all locked down, being held in place.
But this second virus was being slow pumped into us.
Now, it predated COVID.
It has a lot of different flavors, kind of like Baskin and Robbins.
But I will tell you, the woke virus, and I call it the woking dead because in most zombie movies, it's usually a virus that is sort of a peer contagion where you could bite somebody and they pass it along, eat their brain.
And as you can see in the United States today, the people that are woke, they've had their brains eaten.
And I would say I wrote it because I am a culture guy.
I always have been.
I've produced shows.
Some of my mentors, like Andrew Breitbart, always would say, you know, the American people care more about their culture than they do, you know, who's running for Doll Catcher in Iowa.
And I also sort of lived by Rush Limbaugh's sort of maxim that, you know, if you can hang a joke on someone or you can hang a visual image on someone, in most cases, that will last longer than some sort of brilliant Aristotelian argument.
So, look, the book is fun.
There is horror in it.
There is humor in it.
And that is really the definition of comedy, transferring horror into humor.
We cover sports, we cover entertainment, we do a little Biden, we do a little Trump.
But it's really about the people and whether or not they're going to accept the premise that the woking dead are here, that they're going to be here forever, and that this sort of woke mind virus can't be defeated.
I mean, that's why the subtitle is, you know, what it is.
I mean, it is a virus.
You know, look, you've got, you know, the Me Too movement, you've got Black Lives Matter, you've got cancel culture.
So, and I think, you know, when you're dealing with wokeness, you need to sort of take a long view of what is this?
Is this just some, you know, trendy term?
Did it used to be called something else?
In the 90s, it was called political correctness.
But, you know, the infiltration and the long march of our institutions has been going on a long time.
I can get into some of how long it is.
But at the core of what wokeness is, it is cultural Marxism.
It is cultural Marxism.
Because, you know, when you have a thriving middle class, like we do in the United States, most Marxists realize you're never going to get a workers' revolt here.
Most of the time, when the workers' revolts happen, it happens at some far-flung dump that basically you have a peasant revolt, you have serfs rising up.
Well, is it going to happen here?
And 100 years ago, they knew that.
So what did they do?
They infiltrated Hollywood or the early silent picture industry, early radio, the newspaper business.
They got into everything from Broadway to the Democrat Party, the public sector unions, you know, the public school system.
So if you fast forward to today, 100 years, both this show that I'm on, Jason, you, a lot of our friends and colleagues, that's who we're fighting.
The only difference, of course, and it's a benefit why a show like this exists on the platforms, it does exist is there's one difference between a hundred years ago, fighting cultural Marxists and fighting them today, and that is big tech.
Big TECH acts as a force field protecting the Woking dead.
It is, you know, the aircraft carrier that they all take off from, because it picks winners and losers.
It decides who will be deplatformed, who will be demonetized, who will be shadow banned.
You know now.
You know look, there are places you, You can go, like this platform.
Twitter or X is a little different now that Musk has taken it over.
But we're in the fight of our lives.
We are.
I mean, they're like waves and waves and waves of zombies, and they're going to keep coming unless we point out who they are, where they are, and where they came from.
So you talked about comedy and horror, and one of the most horrific aspects of all of this is the censorship aspect, both hard and soft.
And you also pointed the fact that this is not new and that it has incrementally got worse.
You know, you talk about Black Lives Matter or the Me Too movement.
Look, I'm not here advocating for sexual abuse, and those people should be held accountable.
Obviously, people like Harvey Weinstein are awful and part of that Hollywood apparatus that you just discussed.
And then, of course, I think Black Lives Matter, but these things all get hijacked into a manner in which it goes over the top almost into this post-truth world.
We've seen soft censorship really over the past couple of decades incrementally come in through large-scale platforms, especially Google, which I argue is absolutely an utter technopoly.
I mean, you look at it, it is the number one search engine in the world, the number two search engine in the world with YouTube.
YouTube itself is the number one video platform in the world.
They have the number one operating system in the world in Android on the most devices.
And then you have Chrome, which is the largest used web browser in the world.
And we haven't even gotten into their shell companies, alphabet, etc.
How do you fight that when they tell you they're allowed to censor carte blanche on behalf of authoritative sources?
Part of that virus, I would say, is entrenched through organizations that really aren't organizations that we elected, but the United Nations and the World Health Organization in particular.
We saw that during COVID-19, but prior to that, there was demonetization, there was shadow banning.
That still continues throughout.
And there are other topics that are no longer acceptable to talk about on those platforms in regards to our elections, which we should have the utmost free speech and First Amendment rights to.
So how do we combat that, AJ?
Well, I think we're doing it.
We're doing it because we're an entrepreneurial people.
We're doing it because, you know, like with Talk Radio, once upon a time when, you know, when Limbaugh came along, there was no Fox News.
There was no Newsmax.
There was no alternative media.
And he took an old medium and made it fresh.
He saved it.
Save the AM band, saved the FM band.
And I think we have to go through some of that now.
Look, it wasn't supposed to be this way.
We weren't supposed to have to create our own churches and our own sports leagues and our own entertainment channels and our own video platforms and all the competition with, I mean, there's so many sort of spin-offs now, everything from Rumble to Parlor, MeWe, Getter, Truth Social.
And I think it's good.
I do.
There really is no competition for Google yet.
Could there be?
Maybe eventually.
But they do operate like a non-state actor.
And I will say this.
They are digital brown shirts.
Okay.
And they are, and if you want to talk about election integrity, if you want to talk about vaccine stuff, you want to any, there's certain topics, buzzwords.
You say the word insurrection, right?
They show up and they will de-platform you.
And they're in league.
I mean, I've been kicked off of LinkedIn a bunch of times because of global warming stuff and because of vaccine stuff.
Not even from me, but from sharing interviews that my clients at Publius PR have done on programs like this.
So they will hunt you.
And the problem is, especially with canceled culture and with the woking dead, if they can't dox you by giving out your address, if they can't de-platform, demonetize shadow bans, they can't get you digitally.
If the digital brown shirts can't find you or reach you, if you're not using Amazon web services and they can't knock you off, then they may show up physically.
They may jump on stage and try to stab you like they did Dave Chappelle.
They may show up and stab you like they did Salmon Rushdie.
Someone jumped on stage with Lee Zeldin who was running for governor of New York.
I mean, look, they went to Tucker Carlson's house.
They were roaming Brett Kavanaugh's neighborhood.
They shot Steve Scalise because that's the only way they could get to him.
So, you know, there's a real danger.
And they can be mobilized physically.
I mean, look, millennials invented a lot of things.
They invented, you know, the ability to have a lot of options.
And I am a millennial.
I'm an older millennial, a geriatric millennial, but you do have lots of options.
You can vote with your wallet.
So you can choose to unplug.
If you don't like the kneeling in the NFL, if you don't like, you know, the tranny in the bathtub with the Bud Light Pounders, you could go to Claude's, you can go to Miller.
You can tell LeBron to take, you know, to take a hike if you don't want to, you know, because he, I guess, sided with the government against the Hong Kong protesters.
There's ways that we can, through commerce, vote with our wallet.
And in some cases, also vote with your feet.
So if you're in Kuki, Michigan or Kuki, Massachusetts, you can go to Texas.
You can go to South Carolina.
You can go to Florida.
That is your right.
In the digital space, though, to try to, you know, wash Google and YouTube off, it's tough.
It is tough.
But we will do it.
We're a scrappy people.
This whole thing started with a tax revolution.
We don't like when you take our money.
Even in 2023, we don't like it when you take our money.
So if they're going to deplatform, I mean, Rumbo is doing fairly well.
I think that's a good thing.
Shows like this help, you know, not just authors like me, but hosts.
And I mean, you've created a whole economy here with this network and with the show itself.
So it's great.
It's absolutely great.
I will say that, you know, have no fear because the American people usually find a way to outmaneuver authoritarians.
We've been doing it from the beginning.
So whether it's George III or, you know, the digital fascists at Google, we will find a way.
And I think we're doing it right here, right now.
And this is truly authoritarianism.
We got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to hone in on something you said about those people that were attacked, especially Rushdie.
Not going to want to miss it.
We'll be back after this with Making Sense of the Madness.
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Now, earlier you talked about Salman Rushdie being stabbed on stage.
And the reason that I want to hone in on this event is because of illusion versus reality.
Now, during that time period, I was actually speaking at the Reawaken America tour, and they were supposed to be in Batavia, New York, just around the corner from this event on the same day.
Now, there were protests, and then there was literal action by the Attorney General, where Clay Clark, Michael Flynn, and others were served a letter by them saying that they would be accountable for any violence that occurred at their event, and they were forced to change that event.
The same day that event kicked off with absolutely no violence, AJ, somebody came up on stage and nearly stabbed Salmon Rushdie to death.
Now, on one end, this is enabled by media narratives that are projected everywhere.
One of the current ones is the domestic terrorist white supremacy MAGA people out there.
And you need only look at the new Newsweek cover for the enemy within and the FBI's mobilization of them.
But that's my point.
You have these AGs, you have this FBI.
It's not just the media.
They have mobilized law enforcement and upper echelons of law enforcement with this ideology.
What do you say about it in the book?
Yeah, look, they absolutely have.
And whether or not they're chasing the phony, you know, white boogeyman.
And look, some of that stuff goes back to Janet Napolitano under Obama.
I mean, they, I don't know whether you remember, but she was in charge of DHS.
And, you know, they were more worried about, you know, I guess they called them white nationalists then.
I mean, now it's, you know, ultra MAGA.
I mean, there's a bunch of names for certain people now.
They try to log in.
That was the birth of the Fusion Center during that time period.
And documentation came out like the MIAC report, where they were targeting Ron Paul supporters, people that talked about global governance.
Yeah, the Bundies, the Bundies.
They were more worried about the Bundy family than they were Sam Bernardino shooting, Boston Massacre bombing, Pulse Nightclub bombing, Chattanooga recruitment office bombing, shooting.
So for good.
I mean, I'm going to have the list, right?
So, but here's what the audience needs to know: that cancel culture doesn't just come in left-wing socialist form.
It doesn't just come from Black Lives Matter.
It doesn't just come from Antifa or Occupy Wall Street.
It has many varieties.
I mean, look, Salmon Rushdie was the OG of an attempt to get canceled.
What did they call it?
They called it a fatwa.
Now, the American left and the American media and the deep state, they have a fatwa out, and that cover of Newsweek proves it.
They have a fatwa out against patriotic Americans, people that won't comply.
So when you look at Rushdie getting grabbed and you see the alliance there, he gets stabbed, he gets stabbed in his eye, in his hand.
You know, and this is this is from someone, a Muslim radical that wasn't even alive when he wrote the satanic verses where he poked fun at the Prophet Muhammad.
I mean, since then, Pamela Geller's done it, South Park has done it, many people have done it.
But look, look, in the streets today, as we are sitting here, there are people that agreed with the stabber of Salman Rushdie, cheering on the destruction of Israel.
And who are they with?
Who are these pro-Hamas people?
Who are the pro-Moolah in Iran stabbed Salman Rushdie people?
Well, apparently, these radicals, these radical Islamists or radical Islamist sympathizers, they're very okay.
They're very cozy with the Antifa types, with the Me Too movement, pig pussy hat.
Madonna's outside the White House saying she's going to detonate the White House.
Never saw the FBI show up on that.
They came running for Juici Smollett.
They came running for the fake Bubble Wallace noose.
Oh, yeah, they came running for that.
Madonna wants to blow up the White House.
Ah, you know, it's Madge, you know, it's like a virgin.
She's like a suicide bomber, whatever the hell she is.
So in the streets today on college campuses, mainly Gen Z and some stinky hippies, don't get me wrong, you have pro-Islamist, pro-Hamas, anti-Israel protesters, whether it's at UConn or Stanford, Columbia University, just look it up.
They're everywhere.
And they're in the streets and they're anti-Semitic and they're arm in arm with the Democrat Socialists of America.
And they're arm in arm with Antifa.
So they have an alliance.
They have an alliance.
So whether it's try to cancel Rand Paul by breaking his ribs, try to cancel shows like this, trying to cancel Dave Chappelle, trying to cancel Bill Maher or Tucker or Russell Brand or whoever it is, the authoritarians are all in league with each other.
Because look, if these little skulls full of mush on college campuses, how do you think they got that way?
They're the walking dead.
They're pro-Hamas.
They're anti-American.
That's what they are.
And it could be a stinky hippie or it could be someone with the swastika on their phone like we saw on the cover of the New York Post this week.
That's who they are.
And that's who we're up against.
And the media gives them safe harbor.
Academia gives them safe harbor.
I'm delighted to see some of these left-wing, mostly Jewish, Hollywood people, Michael Rappaport, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, Sarah Silverman.
All of a sudden, who was the woman in Trainwreck?
Amy Schumer, Chuck Schumer's little chubby niece.
They're all outraged now.
The Democrats' Socialists of America are marching with Hamas.
Wow.
It took 1,000, 2,000 Israeli civilians, babies being beheaded, women being raped.
It took that.
That's what it took.
So, Jason, this is who we're dealing with.
Hopefully, we can educate them more that they're in league with these people.
This is who you've given safe harbor to.
Why do you think AOC and Rashid Talib are girlfriends?
You know, it's not just because they're anti-capitalists.
They're in league with each other.
I think your audience, this audience knew that.
Maybe the Rappaports and the Schumers and the Silvermans, maybe it'll get through their thick heads now.
We got to take another break.
When we come back, I want to talk about collectivism because we can talk about socialism, we can talk about communism, but at the end of the day, it is this collectivist ideal set that really thwarts any conversation.
Otherwise, it opens the minds to those that, hey, we need individual freedoms, we need liberty, and this is leading down a road of complete and total tyranny.
It's Making Sense of the Madness back after this.
And we are back.
Final segment with AJ Rice.
The book is The Wokening Dead.
And like you said earlier on, something clever like that hopefully resonates with people so they can pass it along.
I want to talk collectivism because I often find that if I can have a one-on-one conversation with somebody that's wearing the pink hat or has the mask over their face or has the fist up for the wrong reasons, that hey, we can find some common ground.
Maybe we can have a conversation.
Maybe they'll look into something.
Maybe they can move along and become more independent.
But when you have these mobs that get together, you're in PR, you know this probably better than anybody, and they're chanting slogans, Bernesian style, that really don't have any meaning.
I think they suffocate their intellect.
And unfortunately, because of this new mindset that we're not having the conversation, censorship is okay and it's being curated online.
There's the appearance that this is the dominant culture in this country when I still think that it is in the minority rather than the majority, AJ.
Well, you're right.
And there is a true insurrection in the United States.
It's not the one, you know, under Liz Cheney's desk with little or a little, you know, crying Adam's desk.
And it's one of parents trying to take back their schools, small business owners trying to protect themselves from blue cities when they or leave, vote, you know, or get on, you know, parent-teacher, you know, councils or borough councils.
There is an insurrection afoot.
There is a true rebellion of not only capitalists, but people that want to preserve the nuclear family, people that want to preserve the middle class, and of course, Western civilization.
It exists.
It exists.
It's out there.
Because I think pushing back against collectivism, pushing back against, you know, the peer contagion of wokeness that sort of, you know, spreads like a zombie virus.
I think it's a majoritarian issue.
I mean, there's not that many, and we are fighting the tyranny of the minority, but there's not that many trans people out there that we need to hear about this all the time.
I mean, look, Hispanics make up, I think, 16% of the voting public, African Americans, 13.
You know, they're playing something called the Black National Anthem at NFL Gates.
I have no idea what this song is.
But Bill Maher has critiqued that.
Sean Hannity has critiqued it.
I'm sure you have.
So I call it the 13% national anthem.
I mean, they want to balkanize us.
They want us to be a Benetton ad.
And, you know, once they have us divided into their little, you know, social justice warrior categories, they're going to come to us and they're going to tell us how much of our stuff, we'll talk about collectivism, we have to give them.
And what's crazy is they don't just want our stuff.
They don't just want your retirement, your Roth IRA or your 401k.
They want your private property.
They want your body.
They want to test out their drugs on your body.
And you've done shows on that.
You've done them with my people, Naomi Wolf and others.
I mean, it's an invasion.
And it's not just an invasion of the wallet.
It's an invasion of our bodies.
It's an invasion of our private properties.
It's an invasion of our community because they want us assimilated.
They want us to buy into the peer contagion, to the woe of mind virus.
Not just, and look, and you mentioned earlier, World Economic Forum and others.
They want us to own nothing.
They want us to have nothing.
They want us to just be good boys and girls that nod.
We get our rationing from the government and shut up.
That's what they want.
And I know this show is not going to shut up.
And look, you could write all the books in the world and give all the speeches, but the American people have to be activated.
I think they are.
I think parents are taking back their school districts.
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I think we have to push back on Bidenomics.
And I've said, look, in the era that we're in, we're fighting four tyrannies.
The Woking Dead is the cultural one.
COVID's the medical one.
You know, these phony prosecutions of Trump, we've had two phony impeachments, four phony prosecutions.
There's a political judicial one.
That's three.
And the fourth one is collectivism.
The fourth one is Bidenomics.
This meat puppet, because that's what he is.
He's a meat puppet.
He's a reanimated corpse.
He's the leader of the woking dead.
He thinks bidenomics is working.
And if you look at the economy, you know, with inflation, out of control, you know, government spending, you know, bodynomics is not working.
So that's the fourth tyranny.
Four tyrannies, ladies and gentlemen.
And we have to join together.
And now, I guess, I guess we're all going to debate whether Jews have to go, which is insane.
And it's an amazing thing.
We can have all the documentaries about the Holocaust.
We can have all the speeches about Hamas and Hezbollah.
But here we are.
We're going to debate that once again as well.
AJ, we got to wrap it up.
WokingDeadBook.com, WokingDeadBook.com is where they got the book.
Thank you so much for joining us.
And thank you guys for joining us.
Remember, folks, it's not about left or right.
It's always about right and wrong.
You can join us Monday through Friday, 6 p.m. Eastern.
I love you guys.
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