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What's Killing America With Jason Rantz And Chris Paul

Watch it first Monday - Friday at 6pm Eastern only at http://AmpNews.usShow more Radio Show Host and Author Jason Rantz weighs in on the Trump indictments and his new book "What's Killing America" and Chris paul talks Gaetz, McCarthy, the Nobel Peace Prize and more. Show less

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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
We've got a great episode for you.
We've got Jason Rance to discuss his new book talking about the death of American cities.
And boy, has it been bad.
And of course, we've got Chris Paul to talk Matt Gates, Trump, and beyond.
get ready to make sense of the madness.
And today is the day, folks, the day in which a civil trial kicks off in which a judge has essentially already found a former president guilty as charged and tried to take away properties in the value range of hundreds of millions of dollars.
And it doesn't stop there.
His sons can't run it.
His emissaries can't run it.
And now a trial is set to try to make Donald Trump look like a criminal preceding the four indictments and criminal cases that are coming up to discuss that and really how our cities and America itself is falling apart is the author of What's Killing America, Jason Rance.
It's inside the radical left's tragic destruction of our cities.
Jason, thank you so much for joining us.
And before we talk about the book, what is your take on what I would call a show trial?
I mean, hopefully we'll get some appeals, but at this point, we really have an injustice system on display.
Yeah, and I think it was pretty clear when the camera went to the judge right at the beginning of the proceedings and he's sort of mugging for the camera.
I think he's sending a very clear message that this is about humiliating Donald Trump.
And I like the way you phrase it.
It's an injustice system.
And I think that that's been pretty clear throughout all of this.
And, you know, I think the Trump team, based upon how Donald Trump is speaking or putting out on Truth Social, as well as some of the comments made leading into this, he expects to be found guilty.
And I'm hearing the legal experts from both sides of the aisle basically saying the exact same thing, that this is really something that's going to have to go before another pair of judges or trio of judges on the appellate side.
So we'll see where things end up going.
You know, politically speaking, I don't think this damages him.
He's seen by a lot of folks as being the victim of a system that's out to get him.
He's certainly playing to that angle, which is obviously strategically a smart move for him to do.
I'm not going to pretend to know the nuances of this particular case.
I could tell you that based upon some of the earlier findings by the judge and specifically around his Mar-a-Lago estate, just what it's worth.
I think the judge clearly made an error.
Now, whether or not that was an error or if it was done intentionally, we'll find out at the appeal stage.
Well, an error like putting out the indictment in Georgia hours earlier before it was handed down and then opening it up.
I mean, $18 million is rather cartoonish, but we're living in a dark cartoon every day.
And unfortunately, I think it's setting the precedent for these criminal cases.
And again, this injustice system, when you have cases in New York and D.C. in particular, there isn't a lot of light at the end of the tunnel.
So, you know, this is a question that I've asked a lot of pundits out there.
It's an uncomfortable one for some people.
But what happens if they actually put this guy in prison?
And we have an unprecedented situation, not only in putting a former president in jail for what I think is not committing enough war crimes and exposing the media military industrial complex in a way no president had done.
And then on top of that, he's running for the presidency.
And there is no law or rule that says that he can't win from jail.
Roger Stone, for instance, has said he can do that and then pardon himself.
Now, obviously, there are motions in action in some states, especially California, to try to get him off the ballot altogether.
Where does this lead if indeed they do put this man in prison?
So I suppose I'm one of the people who don't think they're going to put him in prison.
I think they understand the implications of that to a degree that I don't think they're ready for.
I do think they would love to.
I do think they want to put him in prison.
I just don't think that they'll end up going through with it.
I think they believe that humiliating him and indicting him and then having all these guilty findings will eventually destroy his campaign.
I think it is a foolhardy thing for them to pursue because they know it's obviously not hurting him.
If anything, it makes his case.
We generally see a level of corruption in D.C., including from this current administration, that is going without any kind of punishment whatsoever.
And so for folks to see the treatment of Donald Trump, even if they were to think he were guilty, to say that this is very clearly a double standard, that they're going after him, but they're not going after Democrats because they loathe this guy.
Maybe it would be a little bit different if the American public wasn't so aware, hyper-aware of how much the left hates Donald Trump, because they made a big deal out of absolutely everything.
Everything he did was fascist.
It was illegal.
It was an authoritarian in chief, yada, yada, yada.
And at some point, there becomes a little bit of a fatigue factor in just constantly demonizing someone, even towards the people who dislike him.
I think the polling overall, particularly amongst independents, and especially in the context of how poorly Joe Biden is doing, it indicates that the strategy is not working.
Well, I do see him being lionized.
And obviously, the guy is super popular.
He's been a rock star for years, but I think he was a rock star back in 2020.
And somehow, some way, they were able to get Joe Biden into office, somebody who is probably the most visible puppet of our administration.
And at the same time, I don't see any accountability throughout administrations.
You look at somebody like Clapper and Brennan, for instance, and not only have they not been accountable, this administration just really emboldened them with this new, real new take on the Ministry of Truth and an Intel organization looking at speech and censorship.
And that's why we need more voices.
And we need more people pointing out what's actually going on in America.
And your new book does that, What's Killing America?
You know, I moved from New York to Iowa during the COVID-19 44 nightmare, but the COVID policies were really the last straw because even in my upstate New York town, I was seeing what was happening with crime and things like catch and release.
So this isn't brand new, and this has incrementally been going on.
Can you speak to that?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, before COVID and the BLM movement, there were activists out there, as they've always been, trying to implement various changes.
In this case, let's talk about criminal justice reform.
They've always been trying to move forward with different kinds of reforms, but they never really had momentum to be able to make some sort of significant change.
And then with the death of George Floyd, they ended up exploiting that.
They clearly took advantage of national outrage over what had occurred.
And they used that in a very politically astute way.
They were strategic about it, but they used it to dismantle what they view to be systems of oppression.
The only credit I give to this movement is that they were upfront about their intent from the beginning.
They flat out told us we are looking to dismantle systems of oppression.
And they believe that every aspect of American institutions, our systems, all of them are oppressive.
And so, what did they do?
They took away a lot of things.
They rebuilt it through this image of what they believe to be justice, which inherently views criminals as victims and victims as we're not really caring about them at all.
And we've seen the results of that.
In some cases, we saw it on a local level.
We saw some policy shifts.
We saw DA certainly or very, very far to the left make these changes unilaterally because that's the power that their office gives them, which is why folks like George Soros and others are funding these particular kinds of candidates because they can get away with doing a lot and having a huge impact on society without actually succumbing to any kind of meaningful accountability or oversight outside of what an election would provide.
But in other cases, you saw it happen at the state level where we had laws being implemented.
Illinois is a good example.
New York is a great example where you've just basically, at a state level, implemented a cash bail ban.
Places like Washington State, where I'm from, you had significant changes to the law where police officers are now no longer able to pursue criminals in vehicles unless there is reasonable suspicion of a violent crime, a violent felony having occurred.
And so, what we've seen as a result of that is bad guys who are being released from jail without any cash bail.
Well, they're just recommitting.
And then, of course, you have people here in Washington State who are just stealing cars, driving them through storefronts, and they know that they're not going to get caught.
They know that they're not going to be pursued.
At the same time, you've got these DAs who are basically saying, Yeah, we're not going to put people into jail.
We're going to put them into restorative justice programs instead.
On paper, some of what was pitched to the American people made a lot of sense.
It was presented in these compassionate ways.
But the reality has been so much different, which is why I wrote What's Killing America?
It sort of decodes the language that the radical left uses, not just on crime, but we have a lot of topics surround crime and it has to do with drug use, homelessness, but at the same time, also immigration, housing.
We're being told now how to live, what stoves to cook on, what cars to drive.
They're really leaning into, while calling us fascists or authoritarianism or authoritarians, they're leaning into just trying to dictate every aspect of our life.
And it's creating a worse country as a result.
Well, it's the inverse of reality.
It's the post-truth world.
And just with this specific policy alone, you see a lot of Main Street in larger cities being completely and totally decimated.
And a week doesn't go by where we see basically these flash mobs.
Remember when flash mobs were cute dancing and somebody was, you know, proposing to their loved one about to get married?
Now it's flash mobs of people taking iPhones and Gucci bags.
And as I said, a week doesn't go by where we see at least one, two, or sometimes three of these things, Jason.
Yeah, it's happening all over the place because there are no real consequences.
And what we're seeing in particular are youth who are involved.
We have a youth crime crisis in this country because we've proactively told them, don't worry, if you commit these crimes, you're not going to see any jail time.
And the truth of the matter is, they aren't seeing any jail time.
And I don't have an appetite to throw a bunch of teenagers into jail.
If you're stealing a butterfinger from a 7-Eleven, okay, I think we can deal with you in a restorative justice path without jail time.
But when you're bringing a gun to that robbery for that butterfinger, that's a different story.
We've seen very clearly an escalation in crime.
It starts by stealing that butterfinger, then it goes to stealing a car.
Then it goes towards ransacking an Apple store and then eventually using a gun in a crime.
And we've seen that clear escalation.
And what's curious is when you hear the words coming from the juvenile suspects, you had the case in Las Vegas where these two just total degenerate sociopaths ran over a former police chief.
And they thought that they would be released in 30 days.
We had a case out here in Washington where a group of juveniles and young adults were targeting Asian American members of the community.
They were robbing them.
They were getting violent.
And in front of a judge, one of the suspects, I believe it was a 17-year-old, saying, Oh, you're not going to put me on home detention?
I thought we get home detention.
So they're using that language because they're picking up on the messages that we're very clearly sending to them.
And it's not going to stop unless we take this more seriously and walk back a lot of the reforms that were put in place to begin with.
And unfortunately, another aspect of these crimes is now they're either being filmed or live streamed.
And that's another thing to say about society.
Not only do these people think that nothing's really going to happen to them, they think they're actually going to gain clout or be emboldened through them.
It speaks poorly of society, in my opinion.
We've got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to talk about defunding the police and the migration policies that are now just openly destroying cities like New York to the tune where Mayor Adams and Kathy Hochul actually have to verbally express the fact that there are too many of these people coming into their state.
We'll be back after this with Jason Rance.
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We are back with Jason Rantz, talk show host and media personality, the author of What's Killing America.
And let's talk defunding the police.
Now, I'll be honest, I've never been a huge back the blue guy.
I've always understood we need police forces, but at the same time, I've seen police corruption.
I have never said, let's defund these people.
Now, when I heard that mantra a lot during the COVID-19 44 nightmare, in my opinion, it was to automate out the police force.
And now in New York City, in particular, you have this announcement, for instance, that don't worry, we have these double-the-size R2-D2-like drones that are going to patrol the subway.
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Now, aside from causing more crimes, because why are they put there?
Well, a lot of people are being thrown on the tracks, Jason.
Something we haven't seen really since the 80s and the outlaw madness that took place then.
So, what are your thoughts on this mantra of defunding the police?
Because to me, it's not only about destabilization, but also bringing in more track trace database robotic surveillance.
I mean, that could end up being a consequence.
I don't think that that was the intent.
Think the intent is very clear when you think about it from their perspective.
They believe that if you are a criminal, particularly if you're not white, if you're a cisgendered male, they believe that you're the victim of a society that has stacked the odds against you.
And as a result of that, they view these institutions through that lens.
And so it can't possibly be your fault that you ended up committing a crime.
You just didn't get the basic needs and services that society is, you know, quote unquote, supposed to provide to you.
There's always these sort of weird justifications behind criminal acts.
So when you have a group of organizers and activists trying to take police away, that's all that they're doing is saying, we're making a justification for the crime.
We're no longer giving a damn, frankly, about the actual victims of crime.
And I think what's pretty clear, and this the far left and Democrats in general are really good at branding.
They branded themselves around defund the police.
And because they've done that just politically, it's obviously been a boon for Republicans who generally take the opposite approach, which is more funding for police, a tougher on-crime position, which is precisely what we need right now.
I think there's not a single person out there who thinks defunding was a success.
There are people who will lie about it.
There will be other people who claim, oh, we just didn't go far enough.
If we went further, we would have seen better results, or we didn't actually defund the police to begin with, which is just a total lie.
But I hear that to this day.
But the vast majority of Americans, they recognize the crises.
The question now is: can they connect the dots beyond just defund?
Because defund has become a catch-all phrase for what's been going on on the radical left.
They've been going after, and we talked about in the last segment, all other angles and aspects of the criminal justice system.
It wasn't just about policing.
Local media, however, doesn't do a very good job of connecting those dots.
I can go outside right now and ask someone to explain what restorative justice is.
Not a single person would probably be able to explain that.
And yet that is a leading strategy that is still being used, not just in Democrat-run cities, but across the country.
And what people found out, particularly around crime, very quickly, was that what happened, this is not Las Vegas.
What happens in New York spreads.
What happens in Seattle or Portland, San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Atlanta?
The list goes on and on.
It spreads statewide and then soon countrywide.
And this administration, the Biden administration, backs the idea of restorative justice as a legitimate means to deal with the crime crisis.
But we've implemented it in a significant way over the last three years.
Has crime gotten better or gotten worse?
By all data, it's gotten worse.
And yet no one wants to acknowledge that on the left, or at least they are very reluctant to acknowledge that they're to blame.
Voters are going to continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over again if they're not able to decode the language, connect the dots to specific policies instead of just following whatever it is they're seeing on local media.
So let's talk migration.
We've got people surging the border, Biden style, like never before.
You know, I covered a story on my other show today where you literally had flights from Nigeria to Turkey all the way into Bogota so that they could be smuggled in.
I mean, we're talking about migrants not so much from Mexico anymore, from further down in South America, from Africa, and really all over the world.
They're not only at the Texas border, but they're being shipped into many states.
New York has now taken so many migrants that politicians, establishment politicians like Adams and Hochl that were saying, bring them on, we want them here, are now saying there are too many.
Number one, they had to know that this would be the case, but did they think that it would be the case so much that they would actually have to verbalize it?
I don't, I think I disagree with that.
I don't think they thought it was going to come to their state at all.
I thought from the beginning this was a giant virtue signal.
They just wanted to make sure that they were on the quote-unquote right side of history because they thought it would earn them some social currency.
The reality of the situation is they always intended these folks to stay in Texas and Arizona and red states because the goal is this is a long-term play to change the demographics so then you can ultimately change the vote.
They think that this is going to help them politically.
Now, I don't think it would help them politically because I think that there's enough pushback from folks in a community who understand the consequences of something like this: unvetted folks coming into this country illegally at the expense of actually doing something at the border instead of just telling us you want to do something at the border.
So, I don't think they ever intended it to happen in their state.
And because I have a chapter on this in the book, I spent a lot of time on immigration and I got this wonderful speech from I think his name is Paul Lopez.
He's a council member in the city of Denver.
And this was back in 2018, and they were passing their sanctuary city law.
And he was giving a speech like, and it was so overwrought and dramatic with these long pauses, almost looked like he was tearing up at a time.
He said, No, we were here.
We were born for this moment to be in this room on this very day at this very hour to say once and for all no to the injustice.
We will stand up for those who cannot stand up for themselves.
And then a few years later, having the governor and the mayor of Denver shipping migrants to Chicago and to New York City.
They never thought it was going to actually come to their front door.
And it was a very smart strategy coming from both the governor at the time in Arizona, Ducey, and then current governor of Texas, Abbott, saying, Yeah, we're not going to do this anymore.
We've been sounding the alarms.
No one seems to be interested.
It's a federal issue, so we're limited in what we can do at the state level.
Let's put them into the sanctuary cities and sanctuary states.
And it doesn't matter if there's a whole, let's say that this is true, that the long term is just to change the voting dynamics in a state.
Well, you're never going to win Illinois and New York anyway.
So you might as well put folks there.
Well, it's an interesting strategy.
I don't see any end to the border.
You know, I think that Musk did a little grandstanding this week, but unless something really changes politically in the next 12 to 18 months, I think that that thing is wide open, further causing the destruction of this country.
I want to move on, however, to the micro policies, the ones that say, hey, you can't have a gas stove anymore.
Hey, we're working out gas cars in places like California.
Again, this speaks to that incrementalism, but really a movement on government to micromanage every aspect of your life.
Yeah, they know better than you do.
And again, it matches their worldview.
None of us can say, whoa, the Democrats want more government control.
That's so odd.
That's so unlike them.
None of us actually hold that position.
So at least it's not shocking.
The problem is for them is that no one wants to adopt their rules.
And when you get to a point where you can't afford the car that they're trying to force you to purchase, it becomes an issue.
And you're seeing pushback in significant ways.
Now, depending on where it is you live, you'll see some results from that.
Other cases, you won't.
Washington State, California, New York, Massachusetts, they're going to go down this pathway because they are so incredibly blue.
And it's going to hurt a lot of people.
And that might ultimately start to shift the voting dynamics in a state.
I think now is a time, unlike before, where people are legitimately feeling the pain associated with these policies.
They're experiencing it personally to the point where they're starting to think, maybe I should vote for Donald Trump, that I'm not going to go with the Democrat, or maybe I'll consider RFK or anyone who ends up, maybe Joe Manchin runs.
I think that that poses a significant threat to the Democrat Party.
But again, at the same time, a lot of these bills have been passed without anybody really following or paying attention.
You have in a number of states, over a dozen, that are directly tied just in this issue on EVs, electric vehicles, or gas-powered vehicle vans.
It's tied to what California does.
And so when California moved, it triggered all of these different laws around the country.
How many people realized that that was the case?
How many people realized in Washington State or in Oregon that something in California would change the law here in our communities?
Most people don't know that.
And again, that's part of the reason why I wrote What's Killing America is to get to the root causes of some of the issues and connect the dots.
So it's much easier for all of us to make better decisions when we end up voting for our leaders.
So when we're talking about better decisions, what kind of advice would you give to somebody that says lives in San Francisco or Chicago or lower Manhattan at this point?
The key point I would want to make to everyone is to understand that you're not the only person who's feeling the way that you're feeling.
You're just in a large group of people who feel uncomfortable saying anything.
And I totally get that.
No one wants to stand up in a meeting and be that one person who speaks up when you think that everyone is against you.
But as we've learned just on the educational issues, particularly in Maryland and Virginia, is that when one parent stands up, a second one stands up, and then a third and a fourth, and then all of a sudden you have a movement.
San Francisco is a perfect case study, even though I think ultimately I think it's too far gone.
I don't think San Francisco is going to recover in any meaningful way anytime soon.
They decided organically, Chesapeake, their DA, was too radical.
They decided organically that three school board members, the ones who were eligible for recall, were too far to the left.
These were progressives who made those decisions.
And so they found themselves on the same side of an issue because they were deeply impacted.
They were personally impacted, or their communities were personally impacted.
And they ended up winning those battles.
Those are conservatives.
Those are progressives who did that.
And I think that that's incredibly important to understand that these are not inherently political issues.
They become political because politicians get involved.
But the average person doesn't look at crime or education and immediately go to some sort of political side.
They just want what's right and what's fair.
And there's way more of us, the silent majority, than there are the very vocal minority.
And once we understand that and embrace that, we'll start to see better results.
But at the end of the day, if you're not doing just a little bit of the homework to understand the underlying causes of all these issues that's happening to our communities, we're not going to get anything done, even if you do organize because you're organizing without a clear cause or a clear target.
And what's Killing America gives that to you?
Well, since you just mentioned the average progressive in a sympathetic manner, and I'm kind of with you, I think that we have way more in common.
And you mentioned RFK Jr. looks like he's going independent.
He's making a big announcement October 9th.
You mentioned RFK Jr. as well.
What are your thoughts?
And, you know, there are a lot of pundits out there that say this makes for a spoiler on Biden.
I'm not sure Biden even makes it there.
I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party has already eliminated the chance for RFK Jr. to get the primary nod, and they don't want debates.
So what are your thoughts on RFK Jr. as an independent?
How does it impact this race?
It will play a spoiler.
He's a Democrat.
He is, weirdly enough, taking a lot of positions, or at least his personality and brand is very similar to what got a lot of people excited about Donald Trump, that he is seen as this sort of outsider who's pushing back against the establishment.
And I think Trump has to worry a little bit about that.
But for the most part, just based on where I think he would pull an electoral college system, he's clearly a threat to Joe Biden.
When you talk about Joe Manchin now coming into the race, potentially, that's another potential spoiler more for the Democrats than for the Republicans because you have a baked-in group of folks who are just never going to not vote for Donald Trump, right?
You got about 30% of the Republican base.
That probably is growing.
And I think most Republicans will end up going with whomever becomes the Republican nominee, and it's almost certainly going to be Donald Trump.
So I just see this taking away votes from Biden.
Right now, the reason why Donald Trump is so far in the lead, and really when this was the case, when he was first running, where he was in the lead, when you have a whole lot of people who are running, you've got competing issues and competing candidates.
The one who's got the biggest personality and the most ideas that are being heard ends up getting the support.
And I think the more people who run in the presidential, the general, they're just generally it's going to be better for Donald Trump.
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Jason, in these last couple of minutes, what would you like to leave the audience with and where can they get the book?
I would leave people with this: don't cede so much power to radicals in your community.
You don't have to.
They have a lot of control right now, frankly, because we give them that kind of control and we give them that kind of control because, in large part, look, we have lives, we have families, we have jobs that we're focused on.
We can't be a professional activist who shows up to an 11 a.m. meeting on a Tuesday at a city council or a county council meeting.
Like, we're just not going to be able to do that.
And they are.
But that doesn't mean that we can't have influence.
Once we actually understand what's going on and the actual reasons, not just the sort of the big pictures, but you got to get into some of the specific policies and the language that is being used, which also we've weirdly seated to the left.
The only police they seem to like are the word police, and they change words, they change meanings all the time.
Once we see through that and we connect the dots, we're all going to be able to make better decisions.
And so I do that in, I give that information on What's Killing America, which is available wherever it is you purchase your books, Amazon, Barnes Noble, Walmart, Target, wherever it is you want to go.
If you're going to a brick and mortar store, just give them a call, make sure they have some in stock, or just buy it online.
Jason, thank you so much for joining us.
We got to take a break when we come back.
Chris Paul will be joining us back after this with more Making Sense of the Met.
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Chris, I was somebody who wanted to see Kevin McCarthy basically be voted out.
I would have waited weeks, months, years to see him not be Speaker of the House.
You know, I was advocating for that.
I didn't think it was a bad thing.
I thought all the establishment talking points to promote this guy were inept and really just, you know, old school.
I like the newsletter.
Let's get rid of the guy.
He promises us, I think, all the way back in January, maybe even before, that we're going to get these 40 hours of January 6th footage.
Still hasn't happened.
He's making backdoor deals to keep the government running, which is really just code for keeping the Ukraine gravy train a rolling.
And now Matt Gates, who may have his problems, but I think has really proven himself in the last couple of years and couple months specifically with Garland and beyond, wants him out.
But they're coming after him.
And they've already had these ethics committees looking into his behavior, whether it be sexual misconduct or drug abuse.
He has not been expelled yet.
Where does this go?
Is Kevin McCarthy riding this train out?
Will he be replaced?
Are they going to throw Gates out of the Senate?
The House, you mean?
I don't think Gates is going anywhere.
And McCarthy, I guess it remains to be seen.
You know, part of the deal when they got the votes to make McCarthy speaker back in January was that this single person motion to vacate would be an available option.
They were supposed to go in and pass all these appropriations bills individually.
They had standards by which they were supposed to consider these spending bills to do them separately, particularly if it was above, I think, $100 million.
And it looks like what we're going to get is a 45-day continuation that's going to take us up till right before Thanksgiving.
They will leave for Thanksgiving.
They will come back.
And before they leave for Christmas, they will probably pass an omnibus spending bill, which will go for an up or down vote.
And they'll tell everybody that it has to be passed.
It's a must-pass piece of must-pass legislation like they always do.
And so we're going to see more of the same, I would expect.
Matt Gates bringing up the motion to vacate, I think, is great.
I don't think, I think it's called Chekhov's gun.
Are you familiar with this principle in literature?
Where if you see a gun at some point, later on in the story, that gun has to be used.
Or else, why even bother as an author noting that there is a gun somewhere, right?
So we have the same kind of idea with Matt Gates and with this deal that they reached at the beginning of this new Congress.
If they have this motion to vacate, you got to assume that they're planning on using it.
You know, from a narrative standpoint, it seems like it's definitely what's going to happen.
And the people in the American public are getting used to seeing how the Congress works and how it's not really for their benefit.
You know, the fear-mongering about the government shutdown is no longer really working.
There are still the people on Twitter with their Ukraine flag emojis who are scared of a government shutdown.
But pretty much everybody else is like, yeah, shut this government down.
This government is terrible.
These people do not govern with the consent of the governed.
Our elections do not reflect the will and intent of the American voters.
So, yeah, shut this down.
So, I mean, I guess we'll see.
I would expect that Matt Gates will bring the motion to vacate.
The stuff about Matt Gates' personal life, I don't worry about at all.
It seems pretty clear to me that all of that was a takedown attempt when Matt Gates' power was clearly increasing over the last few years.
And I actually think I'm a big fan of Matt Gates.
I think that he voices the frustration of MAGA while understanding that there is a bigger picture there.
He wants the people to know the levels of corruption within the government.
I think he's doing a great job, and I hope to see him continue.
Well, with Gates, he's definitely, I'd say, better than most, especially with John Durham, one of the few people to really grill him and say, hey, what is up with this?
We know about these things.
This is what should be investigated.
Also, dealing with the alternative media going on programs like Tim Cast, where you really get to see a sit down with a congressman for a couple hours.
Not many people doing that.
So, is there any validity to the idea that he could be taken out?
Do you think that they will move to take him out because he is such an establishment threat?
And if they do so, does he end up on another ticket, say as a vice presidential candidate for Trump?
I mean, I'm the one who's out there on Twitter consistently saying Gates 2028.
So I'm down with that.
Do they get him out?
Man, you know, these stories as they're rolling out are all so preposterous at this point.
I would never say that it couldn't happen.
I don't see how that happens.
You know, I look at everything and my kind of judgment point is whether or not it progresses the Great Awakening.
Like if it pushes the Great Awakening forward, then it's good.
If it hinders the Great Awakening or puts people back to sleep, then it's bad.
So if they come after Matt Gates, on my view, that is actually good.
Even if they take him out, it's good.
The government is illegitimate.
So Matt Gates is not losing something of value and importance, right?
At the point at which Americans realize that their government is illegitimate and our elections are not elections, then thinking about what that means for our government representatives, what does it mean?
Are they losing their seat in Congress?
And if we straighten out elections, Matt Gates will have no problem getting back into office.
It's not his constituents that are mad at him.
It's the elite Republican establishment.
So I don't worry about that.
How it's going to turn out, who's to say?
Well, that's if we straighten out elections, and that has surely yet to be seen.
And I think, especially after watching the Republican debates last week and watching a robotic Mike Pence just spew talking point after talking point after talking point, it would be refreshing to see somebody like Gates out there who's a little bit more of a real person.
Sure, he's got like a Dick Tracy kind of character face and very smiley, but I can go with that, Chris.
I can be fine with that.
Let's talk Trump because obviously this trial kicks off today.
A judge has already found him guilty.
I predicted something like this would happen.
Not only did they find him guilty, but when you look at the properties that he is supposedly no longer in charge of and his kids cannot be involved with and other emissaries cannot be involved with, we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars financially without a jury trial.
Now, that's unprecedented.
Now we're here.
The trial is starting to take place.
Trump is actually there.
What do you think we're going to find out later today?
I mean, listen, man, we're going to have it reconfirmed for us that our system of justice in this country is similarly illegitimate, as illegitimate as our elections.
We're going to see that our system of justice can be weaponized against political opponents and that the regime in power has no problem about going ahead and doing that.
And I think that that's going to be the real lesson and takeaway here.
I'm not particularly concerned about Donald Trump.
You know, if for some reason he's found guilty, if there's some sort of problem here, it's just going to go to appeals and we'll watch that process play out over the next year or two or whatever it is.
You know, the claim is that he overvalued his properties to look good to the bank whose responsibility it is to assess the value of his properties themselves.
You know, I read, he has about a 480-page deposition in this case.
I think I got through about 300, 320 pages of it or something like that.
The point that's made over and over and over again is that it's absolutely impossible, first of all, for him to have overvalued his properties since they are worth more now than they were back then.
Right?
That means that the properties were not overvalued.
You could argue they were at the time, I guess, somehow.
But the whole point about real estate values is that they grow into the future, and that certainly happened.
Trump also paid back all the loans that he was given.
So there's no problem as far as the banks are concerned.
We're just being told that he misrepresented the values.
Now, the document that he misrepresented the values in says specifically that these values are just estimates from their team, and the bank is required and responsible for doing its own due diligence on the values of all these properties.
So, in a normal legal system, there is absolutely no way this case could ever be brought, and certainly no way that it could ever be decided against Donald Trump.
We're not in that situation right now.
And hopefully, over the course of the next couple of years, we will get these things straightened out.
And then we will be.
And so, long term, I have no doubt that Donald Trump is going to be just fine on all of this.
Well, I'm certain he's already kind of been vindicated.
The problem is, like you said, we don't have a legitimate system.
Number two, how much revenue?
I mean, we're probably talking about hundreds of millions of dollars when we're talking about Trump Towers and other properties in lower Manhattan.
So, it's not just lawfare.
Now, they're economically going after him to a point never really before seen in history with any individual, let alone a former president of the United States.
Nobel Prize Controversy 00:09:10
We got to take a break when we come back.
I want to talk about the glory of the Nobel Prize.
They gave it to the Barack Star when he got in, and you won't believe who got it this time.
We'll be back after this with Chris Paul.
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And Chris, it was made pretty clear to me around 15 years ago that when the Nobel Prize, the peace prize, was given to Barack Obama, it didn't hold much water.
Here was a guy that had been really thrust onto the scene as a state senator into a senator that had done nothing for peace.
He promised that he was going to stop the war on terror.
He promised he was going to shut down Guantanamo Bay and Abu Grave and all these other black sites, none of which came into fruition.
And he gets the Nobel Prize.
Well, we got another one for you folks.
We've got a dueling team of Hungarian scientists, Catalan Cariko, a female, and Drew Weissman, who have now gotten this for their game-changing mRNA shots that were pioneered really decades ago through their research and others, but it is because of the COVID-19 44 nightmare and how safe and effective they were, Chris, that they got this Nobel Prize of medicine.
What does this say about reality?
Because this tells me it's Halloween every single day.
We're in a total inversion of truth, and the post-world or the post-truth world is on full display, Chris.
Yeah, and I absolutely love that, by the way.
This is the environment I have wanted to be engaged with throughout this period.
You know, we do need, so the term post-truth, like is, I'm not sure that's exactly right with what we're talking about here.
I mean, we are actually closer to a great many truths than we have ever been.
We are moving further away from an agreement by the public on what happens to be true as received from authority.
And that's really the problem from the get-go anyway, is that we were led to believe that truth is a product of what we are told by systems of power and authority.
And so we are moving away from that, which means we are moving away from a singular understanding of what's true.
And as that decentralizes, there are, of course, going to be adjustments that need made.
And a lot of people are not making that adjustment very well because they want continually to be fed what's true by systems of authority.
That's not going to work out for them.
We are in a much clearer reality than we were before.
You know, our reality actually has to shrink when we understand that the things that we're being told are happening across the world may not be happening and that we can't rely on these systems of authority to tell us the truth about any of that stuff.
You know, eventually we should reach the point and the understanding where we pull back and understand that what we can control and what we can deal with are those things in our near vicinity.
Our friends, our family, our coworkers, our understanding about what's happening in communities and what people around us are doing.
Those things we can all deal with.
We cannot really deal with or know about a protest movement in Iran, for instance.
So I'm a big fan of all that stuff.
As far as the Nobel Prize goes, I'm glad that the Nobel Prize is being shown to the world as worthless.
The Obama thing, certainly a great start to that.
But we have this idea where people win these awards that are invented by those people in power and then given to the people who support that power.
And that's what these awards are all about.
So what do we need them for?
We don't need a Nobel Prize.
We don't need Pulitzer Prizes.
And by the way, I can't wait until those Pulitzer Prizes are rescinded or Trump is actually able to take down that whole Pulitzer organization through his lawsuit.
But this is where we're at right now.
I'm glad that the regime's control, that the prestige that they're able to deliver to parties who help them has been diminished.
Well, I certainly agree that you got to look in the mirror.
You've got to navigate these situations and you've got to empower yourself by empowering those around you.
My fear is that this is further legitimizing mRNA technology that in the article, they actually say in the first couple paragraphs was experimental before the COVID-19 44 nightmare.
See, it was just experimental before that, Chris.
Not experimental during or after any of that stuff, but now it's going to be mainlined and streamlined.
And obviously, you and many others, myself, have covered these stories where the mRNA has really been mainlined into the food supply via animal vaccinations.
And the next step is the mainlining of it through the actual flu shots and COVID boosters.
So how do we fight that?
Well, you know, there's an interesting thing about the whole vaccine phenomenon.
And that to me is that people have now discovered that vaccines are not very safe and not very effective and not very necessary.
Everyone was mandated to take a quote-unquote vaccine for a disease that has an infection fatality rate lower than that of the average flu.
And I think that people are now responding to that.
There is no push.
I don't know if you're seeing it in your life.
I'm not seeing it in mine for people to get this new shot that's coming out.
You know, we were told about the bivalent COVID shot that came out, what, almost a year ago now?
The acceptance of that shot, you know, we were told that at the beginning, it was somewhere between 75 and 85, maybe even upwards of that percent of the American public had gotten the first COVID shot.
And we were told with that bivalent shot last fall that it was about 15%.
So right there, you know, if you, and now I don't think you can trust any of these numbers, but if we are to go with the numbers we are told by the regime, by the regime's media outlets, then we've seen 60% of the country wake up to the fact that they don't need these vaccines.
And now they're making these decisions for themselves.
You know, it was something like 5% of little kids who were actually vaccinated by their parents.
So we are seeing people begin to make their own decisions on this stuff.
Whereas at the end of that initial COVID period, they were pretty much still doing whatever the TV told them to do.
So I do think that we are trending in the right direction.
I think that the fallout of all of this is going to be that the vaccine regime for pharma and for our science community goes away.
I don't think that we're going to have these childhood vaccine schedules anymore.
I don't think that we're going to be injecting children with like 60 different experimental medications.
So, you know, this is a steep price to pay for this knowledge enduring what we have for the last few years.
But the ultimate benefit of this is going to be pretty extraordinary, I think.
Well, I hope so.
I hope, you know, I watched Tucker Carlson give a speech about mortality and life and death and really talked about if just 10% of the public would stand up and be firm and adamant, then we could have the type of change that you're talking about.
But it's a long road from there, especially, I think, in this crazy election cycle and seeing what's going on with Trump and the weaponization of the Justice Department and the fact that we really don't have any course in our injustice system.
Final Segment: Feinstein's Legacy 00:02:40
We got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to talk about the passing of Diane Feinstein and really how it shows the establishment on both sides will clamor and glom on to power literally until the very end.
It is making sense of the madness.
We'll be back with Chris Paul after this.
Final segment
of Making Sense of The Madness.
And Chris, you and I have had many a discussion about Zombie Jay, the Poopy Pants puppet in chief, and his on display dementia.
However, we haven't had as many conversations about Diane Feinstein.
And really, in the last couple of years, it has been evident that she has not mentally been there.
And she has literally been carried onto the Senate floor with her arm raised by an assistant over the last couple of months before she passed in yet another attempt to get one last vote.
Now, we have installed LaFonza Butler, a former advisor to Kamala Embarrass.
And I don't know where this person's political career goes, but Feinstein is really a stunning example of how somebody can clearly not be mentally capable of holding that position of power and is being visibly puppeteered.
Yet, to the last moment, Chris, they drug her out to the Senate floor.
What are your thoughts?
Gavin Newsom's Political Maneuvering 00:06:05
Well, you know, again, as I was saying before, to me, all that matters is whether or not the event itself pushes the awakening forward, and this does.
So does John Fetterman.
So does Glitch McConnell.
You know, this is what we're seeing in the Senate right now.
This is indistinguishable, by the way, from a public shaming operation.
And the question then really becomes whether or not you're kind of blackpilled, right?
The blackpillars would take all this and say they're publicly shaming us.
Whereas someone like me would turn that around and say, no, they're actually publicly shaming these individuals and they are publicly shaming the regime.
Because ultimately, what they really need is the consent of the people.
They need the people to go along with all this stuff.
And so everything we see in politics and news is geared toward making us believe that we should continue going along with all of this and we should keep handing our power over to the regime.
So these sorts of things do not lead us to hand over more power to these people.
It leads us to actually reject their system.
And maybe there was a time before we hit that 50-50 mark, maybe before we were kind of over the crest of that hill where it would have had the opposite effect.
But what we're seeing now is mass public awakening along all these lines.
And the idea that John Fetterman won his election while being unable to speak.
And it's not a result of election fraud in Pennsylvania when you can see what they're doing with elections in Pennsylvania.
You know, you can see Michigan and Arizona and Georgia, and you got Ron DeSantis and all his people out there pretending that Kerry Lake is an election denier and that our elections are just good to go.
That Joe Biden really received 81 million real lawful American votes.
And none of that is true.
You know, and sooner or later, the people are going to realize that in full.
We are well on the path to being there.
And at that point, man, the effectiveness of any of these attempts just seems to drop to zero as far as I'm concerned.
So, this is a Gavin Newsome installation.
And Gavin Newsom, he's showing the fangs a little bit more and more as the election comes up.
In fact, he was an emissary to Sean Hannity to comment on the last Republican debate.
No Biden, no Jean-Carimpier, or any representative of the administration there.
No, no, no.
Gavin Newsom.
And now Newsom has put this person in.
What are your thoughts on Newsome?
How are they rolling him out?
I can't be wrong.
This seems like the guy the establishment wants to replace Biden with, correct?
Yeah, I mean, I think that what we're going to see is a full vetting of all of the kind of next wave of both Democrats and Republicans.
We're getting it on the Republican side.
We're seeing very clearly that Ron DeSantis is not who Fox News showed him to be.
On the Democrat side, we're going to get a full vetting of Gavin Newsome.
Gavin Newsom has been an errand boy for the Getty family and other powerful families in California for many years now.
And that family relationship goes way back.
He is old power in California.
And so I think we're going to see him elevated.
I think that the regime ultimately wanted to elevate Gavin Newsom against Ron DeSantis, and that that would be kind of their compromise on how we could get rid of Donald Trump, you know, call Donald Trump too old, call Joe Biden too old, shuffle the both of them offstage, whether it's, you know, by imprisoning Trump or whatever else.
And then they would have a replacement for us that they believe that we would accept.
We're going to accept Gavin versus Ron because both of these are, you know, serious politicians, we are told.
These are the kind of mold that we were given for so many years.
You know, a 50 to 60 year old white man who looks relatively polished, speaks clearly about these issues, and is happy to confirm the central narrative for everyone at all times.
They want that dichotomy and that paradigm to be back in play.
And these are the two guys, I guess, that they've selected to do that.
We're going to see how that goes.
I mean, I guess Michelle Obama still at some point might rear her ugly head.
But we'll see, man.
It's clear that Gavin Newsom is having a moment and that he is being set up as kind of the foil to the GOP establishment, which is something they can use because Trump as foil is not working for them at all.
In fact, they're now shedding Republican support.
You know, the MAGA base is not having it with any of these clowns on that fake debate stage, including especially Ron DeSantis.
Well, with DeSantis and Newsome, they're two haircuts you'll find on any car lot in America today.
So that should tell you something right there.
We got to wrap it up.
Chris, let everybody know where they can find your stuff.
Yeah, linktree.com/slash I'm your moderator and my podcast and writing are available at I'myourmoderator.substack.com.
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