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Epstein Justice And The Franklin Scandal With Nick Bryant | MSOM Ep. 826

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Evil at the Heart of America 00:02:42
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
And for the next hour, we are going to dive deeply into not only Epstein, but the Franklin scandal and beyond with author and investigative journalist Nick Bryant of EpsteinJustice.com.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
A Republican from the Midwest, Lawrence E. King, is serving a 15-year prison sentence for a multi-million dollar fraud.
But financial crime is only half the story.
This is the true story of Lawrence King.
It is the story of an evil at the heart of America, of a cover-up at the highest level.
One man is attempting to uncover the full story.
John DeCamp is among the most highly decorated Vietnam veterans.
A former Republican state senator in Lincoln, Nebraska, he is now a lawyer fighting the legacy of Lawrence King's evil network.
It's a web of intrigue that starts in our Holy of Holies, Boys Town, Nebraska, one of the most respected institutions in the United States, and spreads out like a spider web to Washington, D.C., right up to the steps of the nation's capital, the steps of the White House, involves some of the most respected and powerful and richest businessmen in this United States of America.
And the centerpiece of the entire web is the use of children for sex and drug dealing and drug couriers, the compromising of politicians, the compromising of businessmen, but worst of all, the corruption of key institutions of government that have the duty and responsibility to make sure these things never happen.
So what we just saw there was a clip from the Conspiracy of Silence documentary that never made it to air.
And the individual at the end was John DeCamp.
Now, not only did he represent some of the victims of the scandal he was just discussing, but he wrote a book called The Franklin Cover-Up.
Finders, Customs, and Bizarre Corruption 00:10:33
Years later, an individual named Nick Bryant put out what I would call the definitive book on that scandal, the Franklin scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal.
I'm lucky to have this signed copy from well over a decade ago.
Nick, thank you so much for joining us.
Now, your journey really began not only with the Franklin scandal, but talking to your editors about doing a story on Satanism.
What happened was I was talking to an editor at Rolling Stone, and I'd written some very dark things in the past.
I'd written about serial killers, Hell's Angels, and the Mafia.
And he said, pitch me dark stories.
And I mean, there's a lot of dark stories that one can pitch.
So I kind of just defaulted to Satanism, Nazis.
I mean, how dark do you want it?
And then that little glint in his eye came and he goes, Satanists.
So I had a simple plan.
I was going to hang out with some Satanists, go to a black mass and write an article.
And it was, as I said, a very simple plan.
But when a writer is investigating something or about to write on a topic, they look at tangential documentation and tangential sources.
And I came across what is called, well, it's a U.S. customs report on a cult called the Finders.
And the finders, it's a very strange cult.
And two of the finders were busted with six children in a Tallahassee Park.
One of the things that happened was some concerned citizens saw these guys dressed in suits with these six kids that were regamuffins.
And they called the Tallahassee Police Department.
And then the Tallahassee Police Department responded, and there was child pornography in the van.
So they indicted or arraigned the two finders on multiple counts of child abuse.
And then they put the two children in protective custody.
And actually, a physician had said that two of the kids had shown signs of sexual abuse.
So after the Tallahassee Police Department made this bust, they were contacted by the Washington, D.C. Police Department because they were also looking into the finders.
They were looking into the finders for an unsolved homicide and they were looking into the finders for child abuse, quote-unquote, blood rituals.
And the U.S. Customs got involved because there was child pornography.
And when there's child pornography, that elicits a response from U.S. Customs.
So they served a search warrant on the search warrant on the Finders warehouse in Washington, D.C.
And what they found was really bizarre.
They found pictures of children slaughtering a goat.
They found, and this is really bizarre.
And this is 1987, there was a computer printout telling very, and it was connected to other terminals, telling to keep the children moving and don't stop to avoid law enforcement.
So there were more than these six children.
And what the U.S. Customs found and what the DC police found was really horrific.
And the DC police wanted to pursue it, and the U.S. Customs really wanted to pursue it.
And the head or the lead investigator for the U.S. Customs, his name was Ramon Martinez.
He went to the DC police department shortly after the bust and he was talking to one of the detectives.
And the detective said that the finders had become a CIA internal matter and that there would be no investigation on the finders whatsoever.
So that stunned me.
I mean, I've always thought of my somewhat enlightened.
I always thought I kind of knew how the world in a very general way has some allergies.
But that document shocked me because the last page of that document states that the CIA is shutting down the investigation.
Now, the CIA should not have any investigative powers or any ability to shut down a domestic investigation.
They should not be operating domestically.
It's against the law.
Against their mandate.
So that was a paradigm shift for me.
I was thinking to myself, what is the CIA doing going to bat for people that are seemingly really abusing children and a very strange cult?
And that opened up my mind to possibilities that I otherwise wouldn't have pondered.
And what ultimately led to me going to, I went to Nebraska and because I'd heard that there was a similar network that was trafficking children and also that was covered up, it was hooked up to blackmail and intelligence.
So I went there and I read John DeCamp's book and I watched Conspiracy of Silence, that clip that you just showed.
And John DeCamp's book, I mean, I kind of felt like there had been like a pedophile ring in Omaha that probably pandered to some powerful people in Omaha.
It just didn't, I didn't see a lot of evidence for the network flying kids around, especially to Washington, D.C. There was one kid who came forward and said that, but he had had a criminal record.
And it was tough to know what to believe and what not to believe.
And the Conspiracy of Silence, and also DeCamp alluded to the fact that this trafficking network was getting kids from Boys Town, the distinguished Catholic orphanage on the outskirts of Omaha.
And that really stunned me too, because Boistown is an icon of the American experience.
So I went to Nebraska.
I was incredulous of a lot of stuff.
And then I talked to some people.
I got some documents.
And it was weird because when I was talking, this was in 2002.
When I was talking to people in Nebraska, they were so frightened to talk about this.
It was like I was doing an expose on the KGB in Stalinist Russia.
That's how frightened people were.
And I left there.
I talked to a black male photographer.
I talked to one of the victims.
I talked to a number of people that were involved because a Senate subcommittee had formed to investigate the child abuse allegations.
So I talked to a number of people and I realized that it was real and I realized that it was big.
I realized that it was much bigger than I ever could have conceived.
I realized that it probably did engage in blackmail and had intelligence connections.
And I came back to New York City, which is where I live.
I was very stunned by it because I thought, you know, I know that the CIA and intelligence does some very nasty things, but to have it hooked up to trafficking children in the United States, to have some dark, malignant corner of our intelligence trafficking children or taking part in the trafficking of children or covering up the trafficking of children.
I was really stunned by that.
When I got back to New York, I was just, I was dumbfounded.
Nick, I want to take it back to the finders because when you talked about this equipment, 1987, you kind of glossed over the fact that these people were hooked into some kind of an internet, really kind of that was only around for the people in the know, a communication center with high-level, expensive equipment.
And some of that equipment was even, I believe, in the van when they were first pulled over.
That's one of the most bizarre aspects of this to me: that they were obviously part of a telecommunication network through computers that was very exclusive.
Well, at that point, it was primarily military that had internet capabilities.
So, it had it definitely hadn't hit the public.
So, the finders were ahead of the curve when it came to technology.
And they had also, and I've learned since then, that the finders were did a lot of infiltrating of left-wing groups.
And Marion Petty was the Finders guru.
And he had a number of solids or substantial CIA connections.
And plus, his wife worked for the CIA.
And what's really bizarre about that cover story is his wife went from being a secretary in Washington, D.C. for the CIA to being station chief head in Germany.
I mean, so that's quite an advancement.
Nothing about the finders really makes sense.
Nothing.
And that's, I've, and actually, I've been on this Odyssey for 21 years, and it was the Finders documentation that started my Odyssey.
An Odyssey Unraveled 00:02:36
So we got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to really delve into the DC aspect of this that you were skeptical of and explain how this isn't a right or left issue.
And a lot of the abuse that you uncovered were happening within the Republican Party.
This is Making Sense of the Madness.
We're with Nick Bryant of EpsteinJustice.com, and we'll be back after this.
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Welcome to a new era of Connecting Patriots.
amp insider we are back it is making sense of the madness We're with Nick Bryant.
And Nick, let's shift gears from the Finder and kind of open up to who Lawrence King was and how he was really heavily involved, not only in banking, which is kind of how this began to unravel, but also with the DC elite.
Lawrence King was from Omaha, Nebraska.
And he had a credit union, the Franklin Credit Union, which was to give loans to lower socioeconomic people, mostly in North Omaha.
And he was one of the pimps of this network.
There were two pimps.
One was Larry Lawrence King and the other one was Craig Spence, who lived in Washington, D.C.
And what happened was King got busted embezzling $40 million from the Franklin Credit Union.
Two Grand Juries Cover Up 00:14:18
Now it was a community credit union that should have had about 2.5 million.
It hadn't been audited in four years.
So a Nebraska subcommittee formed to look into the banking malfeasance.
But what they found was a number of social services personnel had filed reports on Lawrence King trafficking children and abusing children.
And the social services went to public or to Omaha law enforcement and also went to federal law enforcement and said, Lawrence E. King is running a trafficking network.
And they were just completely ignored.
So when this subcommittee formed, the social services personnel went to the senators and said, he's an embezzler, but he's guilty of far worse crimes.
We think that he's running a trafficking network.
So the Franklin Committee started to look into the trafficking network.
And what was that?
There was an amazing investigator that they hired.
His name was Gary Carradori.
And he was finding new victims and videotaping them.
And there's a copy of, I'm sure that there are a number of copies of Conspiracy of Silence floating around the internet.
And some of that footage is Gary Carradori's interviews.
So the FBI really worked very hard at undermining Gary Carradori's case.
And he realized that the FBI was tapping his phones and doing all kinds of things.
Actually, there was tampering with his vehicles.
And then one of the victims told Gary Carradori that if he, if she, she was in prison at the time, if she came forward and said that Gary Caradori had scripted the child abuse allegations, that they would let her out of prison.
Her name was Alicia Owen.
And Gary Caradori at one point realized that he needed pictures, blackmail pictures, and he found one of the blackmail photographers for that network and met with him in Chicago.
And the blackmail, and I've got five corroborations on this in the Franklin scandal.
That blackmail photographer gave him pictures of compromising pictures of adults and children.
And Gary Caradori was flying back to Nebraska and his plane blew up.
The National Transportation Safety Board was never able to say why his plane disintegrated.
They said pilot error.
And there's a lot of malfeasance involved in the National Transportation State Deputy Board investigation.
So Gary Caradori was also in contact with a journalist in Washington, D.C. His name was Paul Rodriguez, and he's since passed away.
And Paul Rodriguez had uncovered this network, this callboy network.
And the callboy network, there was Craig Spence, who was one of the pimps, was spending $25,000 a month on escorts.
Now, we're talking mid-1980 dollars.
So $25,000 a month on escorts was a lot of escorts.
And plus, they had mechanisms for getting children, too.
These guys would get you anything you wanted.
If you wanted a young woman in her 20s, they would get to a young woman in their 20s, a young man in his 20s, they would get to that.
If you wanted pubescent or pre-pubescent children, whatever you wanted.
And Spence was a CIA asset, and his home was Bugford Audiovisual Blackmail.
And there were a lot of people that were blackmailed in that house.
And it was King's responsibility to fly in children.
I mean, that's what the network primarily looked at King to do was to fly in children.
And he was getting them from Boystown.
He was getting them from foster care.
Guys like Lawrence King and Jeffrey Epstein, they're super predators.
I mean, they know how to get kids.
I mean, they dedicated their life to getting kids.
So what happened with the Franklin scandal was there were two grand juries in Nebraska that covered it up.
I don't know if your viewers and listeners are familiar with the grand jury, but grand juries are notorious for being able to be corrupt because a special prosecutor is chosen for a grand jury and he present and he's the only one that presents evidence to the grand jurors and calls witnesses.
And the grand jurors, I mean, the grand jury has like a ring from the gods of jurisprudence, but grand jurors are just people that have shown up for jury duty and have been called into a grand jury.
And actually, there was a New York Supreme Court justice who said that special prosecutors have so much power over grand jurors that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich.
So both these grand juries came back and said that there was no child abuse and they indicted two of the kids that wouldn't recant.
The FBI had put a lot of pressure on the kids to recant.
And one of the girls, Alicia Owen, she refused to recant.
She was indicted on eight counts of perjury by a state grand jury.
So she was looking at 160 years and also eight counts of perjury by a federal grand jury.
So she was, in totality, she was looking at 200 years.
But she still refused to recant her abuse.
She would not do that.
And then there was a kangaroo court.
Now, here's a 20-year-old kid that came forward.
They put her in solitary.
The authorities put her in solitary for two years.
And then she was sentenced to between nine and 15 years in prison for not recanting accounts of her abuse.
And while these very corrupt grand juries were going on in Nebraska, there was a very corrupt grand jury going on in Washington, D.C.
That was covering up the Washington, D.C. side of this.
The Franklin Network, the Epstein Network was around for about 25 years.
The Franklin Network was only around for, I think, about 12 years.
But I think that that network was much, much larger than the Epstein network.
So one of the aspects of the Franklin scandal and D.C. that should alarm others is that you had Barney Frank connected, where somebody who he had hired was basically running a callboy network from his apartment.
And it led to, I believe it was the Chevy Chase either middle school or elementary schools, vice principal as well.
And, you know, these were some of the things that were coming out at the time in the Washington Times.
But then the rest of the media seemed to be completely and totally adverse to the idea that this was an actual network and demonized them even then.
Well, it was the same thing that happened to Gary Webb.
The big three, the New York Times and the LA Times and the Chicago Tribune, went to work.
Well, actually, it was pretty much the New York Times and LA Times went to work on deconstructing the stories that were being broken by the Washington Times about this pandering network and about blackmail.
They had discovered that there was blackmail going on.
Hidden cameras were in Spence's home.
So, yes, what happened with Gary Webb happened with the Franklin scandal, that the big newspapers just kicked the lowly Washington Times to the side.
And it's relatively easy if you want to make fun of the Washington Times.
I mean, at the time, it was owned by Reverend Moon, and it's still owned by the Mooney.
So, although the reporting was really amazing in this story, it was very easy for the major media to quash it.
It's unfortunate, but it shows the example that the media has been doing this, not just recently with Trump and fake news, but really decade upon decade when you get to these very, very important issues of how our country truly works and what the quote-unquote deep state really is.
So, before we go to break, you know, you've mentioned this Epstein network in relation to the Franklin scandal because of the relationship to blackmail and intelligence.
Give us some of the examples where there is a clear overlap.
Well, there's an amazing overlap.
Both networks, the Franklin Network and the Epstein Network, pandered children to very powerful people.
There was blackmail involved, and Epstein was a CIA asset.
And plus, you've got the corruption of the federal machinery and also the state machinery.
A Florida grand jury declared that Jeffrey Epstein had not declared, not abused a single child, even though they had a list of, I think, 23 victims at the time.
Now, the feds had a list of 36 victims, and Alexander Acosta was the U.S. Attorney for Southern Florida, and he was told to stand down because even though they had a list of 36 underage victims, Acosta was told to stand down because Epstein was intelligence and it was above his pay grade.
And Acosta has never denied that he had said that.
So that gives us a very good indication that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence.
And the way that law enforcement became so corrupt, federal and state, with both Franklin and Epstein, it was something that had to absolutely be covered up.
And the reporting on Epstein has been really, I would say, disingenuous.
The media is very good at digging up salacious dirt, but there's a list of perpetrators.
We know who they are.
And they're not being confronted.
It's almost like comedic when I've read articles where someone in the media has gone to this former senator or this former governor, and they would say, of course not.
And then that was it.
There was no investigation.
So the media, and it's, and they've even reporting this so disingenuously, I mean, the media has still, it's pretty funny.
The cover story like on Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein as they met in 2011.
But in actuality, there's an article by the Evening Standard out of the UK discussing Gates and Epstein doing business in the 1990s.
So why hasn't the media really dug into this?
Why hasn't the media called for justice?
The Epstein network was different than the Franklin Network because the Franklin Network was completely quashed.
But with the Epstein Network, it ultimately became media fodder because of three articles that were, or a series of articles that were published by the Miami Herald that were authored by Julie Brown.
And those articles put a lot of attention on Epstein.
And a black male artist cannot have a lot of attention.
Like Craig Spence, as soon as he, the CIA said in the Franklin scandal, as soon as he started to get a lot of press, he killed himself.
And I do believe that Craig Spence killed himself.
But I also believe that he was given a choice of either we can kill you or you can kill yourself.
And once all this press got on Epstein, I believe that a similar deal was probably made with him.
Interesting.
We've got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to talk about the black book and the media, which really just further solidifies the fact that they want to ignore this story.
They did not want to tell you and still do not want to tell you the truth about the Epstein Network.
It is making sense of the madness.
The site is EpsteinJustice.com, and we'll be back after this.
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Publishing The Black Book 00:04:27
It's Making Sense of the Madness.
And joining us is Nick Bryant, investigative journalist and the man who got a hold of the Epstein Black Book and actually got one media outlet to publish it.
Let's talk about that because I think it's so important.
You would have think, again, if we had journalism in this country and you went to the New York Times or the Washington Post or the big boys out there with this black book, they would have wanted to at least do an article on it, publish some of it.
Not the case.
Eventually, Gawker publishes it, and that ends up being a completely different story as they end up being bankrupt later.
But let's talk about how you obtained it and your experience with the media.
Well, I got that.
I mean, I can't disclose the source that gave me the black book, but I did get Epstein's Black Book in 2012.
And I came back to New York City.
I was investigating Epstein in Florida for, I think, about two or three weeks.
And I did acquire the Black Book.
And I came back to New York and I thought these editors will certainly want to publish this and be able to write a great article.
I mean, I've got the Black book.
And I just encountered a wall of, I mean, an impenetrable wall.
And this had happened when I was pitching the Franklin scandal, when I was telling editors that, and by the time I started pitching the Franklin scandal, I had all the documentation and exhibits of one of that were sealed by one of those grand juries.
So I had all kinds of documentation.
I had a list of 60 victims that Gary Kerradori had found.
But what happened was I would, so I would pitch these editors on Franklin, and there would be cognitive dissonance.
They would think, well, this is a really horrible story.
All these children got abused and no one was punished.
Or I could just write Nick Brindoff as crazy, and then I can have a nice meal with my family tonight.
So when they encountered the during, when I was pitching Franklin, I encountered that cognitive dissonance.
I live in New York.
I had a lot of connections in the media.
Everyone, just about every major media shot down the Franklin scandal.
So by the time I had the black book, there were still editors that were willing to talk to me, but then there were a number of them that weren't.
But they couldn't give me, there was really no excuse for them not to publish the black book other than it's not right for us right now or something, you know, one of those generic rejections.
So I guess.
I love it.
We just can't do it right now.
Nick, you're doing great work.
Great work.
Seriously, we want to get into it.
Not now.
It's back in a month, two months.
We'll talk.
So I was pitching it and pitching it and pitching.
And I couldn't get anybody to talk.
And then finally, I shown the book to John Cook.
He was an editor at Glocker, but at the time he was working at the intercept.
And now he's an editor at Business Insider.
And he called me up, and he had gone back to Gauter and he had said, Do you, you know, you still have the book?
You still want to do something with the black book?
I said, absolutely.
So we published the black book.
And it was, it was, I think it was pretty, I mean, a lot of people look at it as kind of an epic thing.
At the time, I did not think that it was epic.
I was just glad to get it published.
But the black book really showed Epstein's network and how big it was.
And then he had multiple, he had like 25 contact numbers for Bill Clinton.
And as we know now, when Clinton was president, Epstein was bringing in women into the White House to give to Bill Clinton.
It was very similar.
The Franklin scandal also had a callboy taking a midnight tour of the White House.
Jeffrey Epstein's Network 00:15:26
So it's interesting.
The Franklin scandal was Republicans molesting little boys.
And Epstein is primarily Democrats molesting little girls.
I guess that seems to be the partisan divide in our politics.
And that's why no one has gone after Epstein.
And this is kind of interesting.
We've got 435 representatives and we've got 100 senators.
And not a single one has said we need to investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
Not one.
And there's been the Jeffrey Epstein case has gone through four presidential administrations, two Republican, two Democrat, and none of them have called for an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.
That shows how tightly this cover-up is.
Our authorities are really trying to hermetically seal this cover-up.
And not only that, you look at the trial of Ghelaine Maxwell.
There was so much evidence that we know existed that they showed on the peripheral but did not show in a meaningful way in the case of the hard drives, of the binders, of the burned DVDs and discs, of the photographs that were found in the safe and beyond.
And somehow, Ghelaine Maxwell only gets 20 years.
There's currently appeals going on.
I wouldn't be surprised if somehow that sentence is lowered and she's actually released before she dies.
And then they give, you know, proud boy Erike Tario 22 years for not being in DC on January 6th.
It really shows the divide of our injustice department.
I think it's important to show this hypocrisy.
And again, that this has been going on for a very long time.
They will actually prosecute those that have been abused and refused to recant, just like Alicia Owens.
We've got to take another break.
I know it's filled with breaks, guys.
I hate taking breaks, especially when we have such an important guest.
But when we come back, we're going to talk about some of the clients that have been outed by the victims.
One who had a great deal of power was connected to the Clintons in a big way and recently passed its former New Mexico governor, Bill Richardson.
We've got a clip for you after this.
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Yes, sir.
First question?
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
You gave a keynote speech at the Bohemian Grove Club, sir, a club which openly has mock child sacrifices and satanic worship, sir.
Can you answer my question, sir, please?
I was very pleased.
I was very pleased with my performance and debate.
It was a good debate.
What about the Bohemian Road audio, sir?
That's very important.
They do mock human sacrifices there, so you reported being a very good person.
I was very pleased with my performance in the debate.
Sir, why did you ignore my question, sir?
Can we have a good time?
If you want to be president, let's have an open dialogue about this.
You just ignore me, sir.
It's not nice.
It's not Governor Bohemian Grove, actually.
You said before that you did you, did you or did you not attend Bohemian Grove in San Francisco?
You've been ignoring this question for three and a half years, Governor.
And that's Bill Richardson back in 2008 when he was running for president.
He's recently passed, and the media still fawns over this man, saying that he helped get people back from, you know, different countries via the United Nations.
He's very much part of the Clinton administration, and he's a New Mexico governor.
What they don't want to focus on, he's also an accused Epstein abuser.
And you said it best, Nick.
They don't want to investigate this.
People like Bill Richardson's name have been out there, and even in passing, they don't mention it anymore.
It's really egregious.
And then you kind of have an overlap with the Bohemian Grove because in the Franklin scandal, Paul Bonacci's story of what actually goes on behind the scenes there in some cases is one of the most disturbing in the book.
Indeed, it is.
Bill Richardson, he was named by Virginia Guffri, one of the victims, underage victims.
But he was, there was Alfredo Rodriguez.
He was Epstein's house manager, and he stole the black book from Epstein.
So, and the FBI, he tried to sell it to an attorney who was launching civil litigation at Epstein.
And the attorney called the FBI, and the FBI did a sting and then got the black book.
But Rodriguez had circled a number of names in the black book that he had said were in cahoots with Jeffrey Epstein as far as child abuse.
And Bill Richardson's name was circled.
And Bruce King, who was also a governor of New Mexico, his name was circled.
And I think some really strange things went on in that New Mexico ranch.
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
That was never investigated.
Now, and it just recently got sold.
How about that?
You know, the baby-making ranch, they literally said that.
I mean, we did the eugenics on top of that.
It had rooms for pregnant women, and it was never investigated.
It's recently been sold.
And again, it was connected to the governor of the state at the time.
Insanity.
Well, what's interesting about New Mexico is Jeffrey Epstein had to register as a sex offender in New York.
He had to register as a sex offender in Florida, but he did not have to register as a sex offender in New Mexico.
And I've talked to an Epstein victim, and she started to be flown around by Epstein.
I think she was 19 years old and maybe 20.
And she was at the New Mexico ranch and kind of went into like an unconscious state or a sleep state.
And then she came to, she says, and I don't think that she has any reason for lying.
She said she came to in this laboratory-like setting.
And there was a woman doctor that was harvesting her ovums.
So what these guys were up to, we have no idea, but why would you be harvesting ovums?
We've been able to clone.
We've had the technology to clone.
We cloned Dolly the Sheep in 1998, so we can clone a human being.
It's estimated that cloning a human being would cost anywhere from like $1.5 million to $2 million.
You could get a bargain basement clone on probably for $1.4 million.
So I knew when Dolly was cloned, I said there's got to be some megalomaniacs, some billionaire megalomaniacs out there that are cloning themselves.
There just has to be, given their seismic narcissism or the seismic narcissism of many of them.
So, yes, I do believe that there was some very funky things going on at that New Mexico ranch.
And by the way, I want people to be clear.
When we talk about this, this has been widely reported.
And we're not talking about, you know, Epstein cloning himself in his current form.
We're talking about literally a little baby Jeffrey Epstein or anybody else they would like to clone coming into full gestation after the 1.5 million or whatever they would have to spend.
I know it sounds like science fiction, but again, people like Peter Nygaard were very much into the technology to try to live forever.
And they were having sex with girls as young as 14, allegedly.
And then what?
Using the stem cells from their aborted fetuses after they impregnated them to try to live longer and healthier and even reverse their aging.
So like you said, their narcissism is sometimes on full display.
And there are a lot of parallels between Nygaard, who's currently awaiting trial, and Epstein.
Absolutely.
And Nygaard was protected for a very long time.
And actually, Nygaard and Epstein know each other very well.
So their networks probably intersected at some point.
And I'm kind of amazed that Nygaard went down because I'm sure that he was pandering young girls to some very powerful people.
And again, I think the reason why Nygaard went down, I don't know whether or not Nygaard was connected to blackmail and intelligence.
We know that Epstein had hidden cameras in his Florida home, his New York home, on the island.
Epstein had hidden cameras everywhere.
I don't know if that was the situation with Peter Nygaard, but I mean, it wouldn't surprise me.
But it is interesting that both these guys were taken down.
And I think, again, that the reason why Nygaard was taken down was because there was a lot of media around here.
And blackmail artists cannot be blackmail artists if there's a lot of media around them.
That ends their, pretty much ends their career.
And you know, another loose end that was tied up was Jean-Luc Brunel, who ended up committing suicide, I believe, in a prison in Spain.
And he was highly connected to both Gheline Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
I mean, some of the photos that they have put out in the media of them on the plane clearly illustrate that.
So this is a wide-ranging network where, again, I think they're tying up loose ends as we speak, Nick.
Absolutely.
The victim, the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, I think that there's something funky going on there.
250 Epstein victims have applied for compensation.
Compensation was awarded to 150 and 136 ultimately got compensated.
But I know of a case where a 10-year-old said that she was abused by Jeffrey Epstein and she was treated by a very prominent psychologist.
And she was not awarded any money, even though she was treated by a very prominent psychologist and she could show that and she could she had a number of facts that aligned for her to show that she had in fact been abused by Jeffrey Epstein.
So it's the narrative with Jeffrey Epstein is that the girls were 14 years older.
But there's, I mean, I found a girl in the black book that was 13 years old when Jeffrey Epstein molested her.
Now, the screw that was 10, that might not have been Jeffrey Epstein's thing, but Jeffrey Epstein was a psychopath.
And if you were a powerful guy and you wanted a 10-year-old, Jeffrey Epstein would get you a 10-year-old.
I've got no doubt.
I mean, that happened with the Franklin Network.
If you wanted an eight-year-old, the Franklin Network would provide you with an eight-year-old.
So, and that's what's really troubling about this because our government has covered Epstein up.
And you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting.
So, essentially, what our government is doing right now is aiding and abetting child trafficking.
Now, one would never ever trust someone or a group that is aiding and abetting child trafficking.
So, how can we trust our government that is involved in such assorted enterprise?
This is something that Americans should be outraged about, that their government is aiding and abetting child trafficking.
I agree.
Listen, we have to take one more break.
I want to get into EpsteinJustice.com and how people can get involved because we should be outraged.
We should be screaming from the rooftops every day that we are demanding justice and really an overhaul of the entire system because we cannot have our intelligence agencies, our politicians, what abusing children and being compromised on levels that we cannot imagine back after this to make sense of the madness.
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A Movement for Justice 00:08:04
Final segment of Making Sense of the Madness.
We're joined by Nick Bryant.
And Nick, you're not just a journalist.
You're not just an author, although the books, The Franklin Scandal, and Confessions of a DC Madam are an absolute must.
You've also helped put together EpsteinJustice.com with some of the victims because we have to bring more awareness around this so that we can get justice surrounding this issue.
So tell us about the website and how people can get involved.
So I've been appalled that the mainstream media, I mean, the government is aiding and embedding child trafficking, as I said in the last segment, but I've been appalled that the media is aiding and betting trafficking because they're not calling.
I'm not seeing one major media outlet call out for justice for Jeffrey Epstein's victims.
Not one.
So we started a petition some years, a couple of years ago, three years ago, and we had six Epstein victims and we were backed by 52 anti-trafficking organizations.
I'm an anti-trafficking activist.
I've spoken at a number of conferences about child trafficking and I've contributed a chapter on child trafficking to a book that was written by a number of eminent psychologists and psychiatrists who deal with victims of trafficking.
And so I'm very involved in this issue.
And we had the Epstein petition and it had, we were backed by 52 organizations and it's gotten over 37,000 signatures, but that didn't do any good.
We put on a demonstration across the street from Ghelain Maxwell's trial and we were backed by 64 anti-trafficking, anti-exploitation organizations with that.
And that didn't do anything.
So what we need is a movement.
We really need a movement to get the truth.
And what we ultimately want with Epstein Justice is a truth and reconciliation committee.
And what I mean by reconciliation is that these perpetrators, who we know a lot of them are, have to be held accountable.
And then the government has to be held accountable.
Why did the government cover this up?
And I think my personal opinion on it is if we can bore into the Jeffrey Epstein scandal and really auger into it, we will come across the cesspool that is making the laws for us, the laws that cause extreme wealth polarization, the laws that trample on our constitutional rights.
And this is really the only issue that can at this point bring the right and the left together is that the government shouldn't be aiding and embedding child trafficking.
And we need the right and the left to come together on this.
And I think that, and it's going to require some pressure.
There was a similar scandal in Belgium where a number of police officers in Belgian law enforcement said that there was a cover-up of this pedophile network that was much like Epstein's pandering children to rich and powerful people.
And 300,000, 200, 300,000 Belgians hit the streets, and actually there was a change in the government.
So if the Belgians can do that, Americans can do that.
We can do that.
We do not have to say it's cool about our government aiding and betting child trafficking, or we can't do anything about it.
We can do something about it.
It's really up to us whether or not something is going to get done.
And when you look at the numbers, there are 25, and these are conservative numbers from the Centers for Disease Control.
25% of girls have been molested, underage girls have been molested, and 78% of underage boys have been molested.
So we're talking over, with very conservative numbers, we're talking more than 50 million people in the United States have been molested as underage girls or boys.
So this is a huge problem just to begin with.
And we cannot, and a lot of it is incest.
We're going to have a hard time doing something about that.
But we have to stop.
But a lot of them are networks.
I mean, a lot of these kids are trafficked in networks.
And we can stop that.
And Epstein was definitely a network, the Franklin Network.
There's been other networks that I'm aware of.
We have to stop these networks.
They can no longer be covered up by the government.
Well, I do think that we have to get behind this as a movement.
We do have to get out in the streets and take advantage of when there are trials or the media is present.
Because in a lot of ways, the Epstein story has hit the cultural zeitgeist, and it would be hard not to be semi-aware of that.
And I think that's kind of step one.
Step two is making people realize that it's currently still being covered up, and those that were heavily involved have not been brought to justice.
So, now, how do we amend that?
And a reconciliation committee would obviously be a great start.
But I also believe that we have to put a lot of pressure on our politicians.
And I do find some hope when I see a guy like Vivek Ramaswamy getting put on the spot about the quote-unquote client list.
You and I don't believe there's a quote-unquote client list, there's a network, but there is all sorts of what evidence of actual abuse via video and photographs of these individuals, which is more than a list.
So, we need prosecutions of these people.
We need to put the presidential candidates, our senators and congressmen, and women on the spot and say, Look, we need you to pledge that we're going to start to get to the bottom of this and get meaningful prosecutions of the criminals, Nick.
With EpsteinJustice.com, you can sign the petition, and then we also have software where you can put your name and where you're from and then hit send and it'll go to the Congress people that represent you in Washington, D.C.
So, those are two things that people can immediately do.
And you can go on our website and info at Epstein Justice if you want to get involved.
Right now, we're amassing a social media movement, and that's the page right there.
And we need people to come together on this, and it's not going to petitions aren't going to do it.
Anti-trafficking organizations aren't going to do it.
It's going to have to be the American people.
I've learned this through trial and error: that it's going to have to be the American people saying, No, we can't allow this.
And as I said earlier, I think once you more into this Epstein issue, you will uncover a cesspool that makes our laws.
And that's something that needs to be addressed too.
Nick Bryant, it has been a pleasure.
I'm so glad to introduce you to this audience.
And I hope that my audience takes action and goes to EpsteinJustice.com and also gets the books, The Franklin Scandal and Confessions of a DC Madam.
This is making sense of the madness here on the AMP News Network, only at ampnews.us, where the truth lives.
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