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Loose Change and the Unspeakable with Dylan Avery | MSOM Ep. 825

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Beyond 9-11 Truth 00:14:45
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
And for the next hour, we've got a banger of an episode for you.
We're going to be spending time with my friend and documentary filmmaker Dylan Avery, somebody who I owe just a ton to, probably wouldn't be sitting in this chair today if it wasn't for this guy.
We're going to be talking about 9-11, loose change, building seven, unspeakable, and even some asteroids and beyond.
Buckle off and get ready to make sense of the madness after this.
On September 11th, 2006, thousands from all over the world gathered in New York City, New York.
They wore black shirts reading Investigate 9-11 and held banners that read, ask questions, demand answers.
This day marked the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001.
Although the 9-11 Commission report had been published over two years prior, many Americans and citizens worldwide remained convinced that the truth was being withheld from the public.
Why?
Why was a growing percentage of the world population becoming increasingly skeptical of the events of September 11th?
Was it a natural inclination towards believing the worst about the United States government?
Or was it a legitimate concern that only grew more powerful with time?
The 9-11 truth movement includes academics, engineers, physicists, firefighters, intelligence officials, and some of the very people whose lives have been shattered since September 11th.
Were they all delirious?
We should not be here till you've got it all done.
We're honoring the fallen hero for 9-11.
As are we.
No, you're not.
No, you are not.
I feel so uncomfortable.
I'm sorry.
Next year, I'm not coming here.
Or were they a concerned group of individuals taking the necessary steps to prevent the United States from slipping into its darkest era yet?
Was September 11th a surprise attack on America by 19 Islamic terrorists?
or something else entirely and it's hard to believe looking back on that fifth anniversary that we've gone almost 17 more years the 22nd anniversary right around the corner Unfortunately, I don't feel like we ever got the accountability and justice, the investigation that we deserved regarding 9-11.
And here to talk about that and much more and his films not only do with 9-11 but beyond is my good friend Dylan Avery.
And I was lucky enough to run into Dylan a little over a month ago in New York, which he resides in, and have some beers.
And he's always got the camera with him.
He was shooting over there as well.
Dylan, how do you feel now?
You know, thinking back, I mean, that's video from 17 years ago almost.
You know, I don't feel like we got the accountability.
I feel that was the peak of the 9-11 truth movement.
But especially with this audience, which is probably going to be brand new to a lot of the things that we're talking about, they're an audience that maybe wasn't ready to ask the tough questions and seek the truth then.
But I think after what they've seen the last several years, especially and starting to question more, 9-11 truth is more relevant than ever.
So thank you for joining us.
And what are your feelings on that?
How relevant is 9-11 truth today?
Well, I mean, I want to just take it back to that clip.
Like, man, I haven't watched that in a long time.
It's kind of crazy, like both how much things have changed in the world.
And since I'm here to talk about filmmaking, how much my filmmaking has grown and evolved.
And like, wow, it's just, like I said, I haven't watched Final Cut in a long time.
So that kind of brought me back a little bit.
I'm a little chopped up too.
I'm going to be honest because there's so many emotions that run through.
Because, you know, for those that don't know, you know, the thing that made the big bang on the internet was definitely Loose Change Second Edition.
But we were on this journey together where we got to do our own investigation.
We traveled the country.
We did all these interviews.
We tried our best to not only make it about a movie, but a movement and get people involved.
And we got all those people down there.
And even then, you know, people talk about fake news and censorship.
The media didn't want to cover us then.
They didn't want to cover that thousands of people had shown up peacefully and were questioning the 9-11 event five years on, Dylan.
And, you know, I'll tell you what, man, you know, I travel the country.
I still speak.
And when people find out I'm involved in loose change, they're taking a step back.
I mean, we had a huge, you had a huge cultural impact.
And you should be applauded for that.
But boy, it is a rush of emotions when you see, you know, we didn't get the justice we deserved.
You know what?
I mean, like, I feel like we even maybe not like specifically at that exact moment of time because we didn't have the benefit of any hindsight.
But I do feel that, you know, especially after we got through that event and then, you know, we got into later 2006 and into 2007 and working on that edition of the movie and just everything that was happening.
I think even at the time, and I think even as we were preparing for the sixth anniversary and like all the things that we were planning for that, like I still, I think even at the time, we were like, I don't know, man, like last year might have been it.
Like the five-year anniversary might have been it.
That might have been like our only big chance.
And thankfully, we did something with it.
I mean, we did something pretty historic with it.
But I think even at the time, like the three of us recognized that like it was going to be hard to do that again because like, because 2006 was the year.
I mean, that was the year that we traveled all over the country.
We did, you know, events at colleges.
You know, you were there.
I mean, we were all over the country in 2006.
And every single event we went to, we ended it with, because people would always ask us, like, what can we do?
Like, how can we spread the word?
Like, how can we get awareness?
And our answer was always just like, come to New York City this year for the anniversary.
That was like the one thing that we told everybody to do.
And they did it.
They did it.
And yeah, man, like we took over Lord Manhattan.
And nothing like that really ever happened afterwards.
And it's whispered history.
People really don't talk about it.
They don't talk about even the fact that, you know, again, this is a largely conservative audience on this network.
And a lot of these people started, say, at the Tea Party.
But you and I remember going to San Francisco when that was the Tea Party movement.
And they had these giant holes in a giant 9-11 thing.
And they were throwing that in.
And yeah, there were some peripheral Ron Paul Republicans there and talking about that issue.
But really, it bore out of 9-11 truth.
And, you know, even guys like, you know, Luke Radowski on yesterday's show, I played a clip of him confronting Bill Richardson about speaking at the Bohemian Grove.
Bill Richardson just passed.
But We Are Change was a movement to the point where even the Barack star in his campaign hijacked that to be the hope and change in the world.
I mean, we were making a real cultural impact, but I would agree, man.
We felt like, at least on the 9-11 issue, the fifth anniversary was kind of the crescendo.
And in a lot of ways, I think that we've been bifurcated and kind of put off in different directions since and kind of divided, unfortunately, when people need to come together more than ever, in my opinion, to question their government and hold them accountable.
So here's a great question for you, man.
And there's a ton I want to talk about.
But what do you think now when somebody comes up and asks you what the best evidence for questioning 9-11 or 9-11 wasn't what it is?
What do you go to?
Right?
Because I get asked a lot, maybe you a little bit less, but what do you usually go to if you've only got a few minutes with somebody and you want to kind of pique their interest?
I mean, I guess we always said Building 7, which I guess could potentially be a segue into the next talking point.
Building 7 has always been up there.
I feel like there's a lot of people.
You know, I think even like Tucker was like, there was some interview that he did.
It wasn't on Fox, obviously.
It was like off network somewhere.
But Tucker Carlson was giving some interview about how he's just like, yeah, I've always questioned Building 7, but I was never allowed to talk about it.
And even Gerald Rivera was another classic example of someone who the movement would pick at his public appearances and whenever he was on TV, but then he turned around and watched the video of Building 7.
He's like, oh, God, these people might actually have a point.
So it sounds cliche and the go-to answer, but I mean, like, still to this day, like, if for some reason people don't know that a third building fell on 9-11, then that's definitely a good place for them to start.
Because, you know, it's like it's, it's very easily provable that it happened, obviously.
So you're already hitting them with something that they weren't aware happened or existed.
And so you're automatically like, all right, well, this person was at least telling the truth about the fact that it happened.
I should probably look into what they're saying, why it happened.
So there's Building 7.
I mean, like that, you know, that obviously can open up a whole rabbit hole of people where it's just like, oh, well, how did they do this?
And how did they do that?
So if you're going up against someone who you feel you're automatically going to get some pushback from no matter what, you know, it's tried and true, but it works.
You know, there's the Jersey Girls.
There's the whole fight with the 9-11 Commission.
There's the fact that we weren't even going to have an investigation in the first place.
There's the complete abject lack of military response.
There's a lot of like really, I dare say, like simple approaches to the topic that aren't immediately delving into the more controversial things that might have happened.
So it really depends.
It kind of depends on who you're talking to.
If you find yourself talking to an architect or an engineer, then definitely Building 7.
If you're talking to someone who was in the military, then maybe talk about NORAD and the military response, the war games that were going on.
So it really depends.
I mean, I think you have to kind of like judge it on like a conversation by conversation basis.
And to also further foreshadow what we're going to talk about later, then I would definitely recommend looking into the stories of people like Bob McEltain, who is not only a 9-11 family member, but also has a very unique perspective on that event and what he has to say about what happened to his son.
Yeah, and, you know, Through the years, you've continued to kind of work behind the scenes and make two other incredible films on 9-11, in which we're going to show the trailers.
Seven, which only focuses on the Fairbanks Alaska study, and then, of course, Unspeakable, that really does tell that story of Bob McElvane, who was really at the forefront of many of the family members that knew that they were being lied to and were demanding justice and still really is via the Saudi Arabian involvement and others.
And you know, you talked about Building 7 being that starting point.
Going back to that event in San Francisco, I'll never forget, you know, you had those little mechanical robot guys painted up in all silver.
And one of them came up to me and, you know, he said to me, you know, what's all this about?
And we had the newest flip phones.
We had the razors that weren't razors.
Remember, we were breaking those out before smartphones, folks.
And you could put not an MP4, you had to compress it to a file.
You get ready for this, guys?
This is how old I am-a 3GP file.
And I did that with Building 7.
And just explaining to him what this building was and where it was, and how it was a 47-story skyscraper.
That was it.
And he said, Thanks for dropping knowledge, man.
But I also do agree that if someone is, I guess, adverse to maybe discussing controlled demolitions, whether it be seven or not, there might be something else.
And I often talk about the Pakistani ISI involvement, the $100,000 wire, and the fact that you had this guy in DC meeting with power players, including Joe Biden, the days and weeks of the attack.
So, you know, I mean, when you peel back the layers, it almost feels beyond absurd, Dylan, that we haven't gotten any kind of justice or retribution.
But they've continued to build upon the foreign and domestic policy of 9-11: Patriot Act, NDAA, fusion centers, homeland security.
And now, the biggest domestic terror threat, as I warned many years ago, it's us, folks.
When we come back, I want to talk seven specifically, and I want to talk Fairbanks, Alaska.
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What should people know about that whole blow up with Project Fairy Test?
Nice Camera Crew Experience 00:08:08
I read a few people wrong, and that's my fault, but I learned from that, and I think I'll be a more effective messenger as a result of that.
That'll free me up to do the next chapter, the next stage of my evolution, which is OMG, which is decentralizing journalism.
And sometimes things happen for a reason.
That's my goal.
That's my mission.
And I didn't ask for that mission.
I never thought that would be my mission.
It just has become my mission.
And I'm excited about it.
Well, it's been a point of controversy now for more than a decade.
researcher now from the University of Alaska Fairbanks is weighing in.
My name is Leroy Halsey.
That's my middle name.
And I'm a structural engineering professor here at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
He led a four-year study which re-evaluates whether Building 7's collapse could have been caused by fire.
Building 7 of the World Trade Center came down.
It was never hit by an airplane.
It fell because thermal expansion caused a fire-induced progressive collapse.
And we'd never experienced prior to that day a steel-frame building collapsing due to fire.
just didn't happen.
Was there a possibility it could lead up to failure through these fundamentals that NIST looked at and said they could?
I looked at and said they could.
The way they modeled it was somewhat pushing the limit, putting it mildly.
NIST said it was a fire problem, but yet I did not see any change to our codes.
I mean, I think the work that we're doing is ultimately going to make the difference.
I have that confidence, because I know the truth that always comes out.
If there's a problem with the collapse of Building 7, There's a problem with 9-11.
And I can tell you firsthand that it's an extremely impressive picture.
So let's talk about it a little bit, Dylan.
Several years ago, you put that one out.
And first of all, it looks stunning.
It's, I believe, just under an hour long.
And it really tells the story of people that decided to challenge the narrative surrounding Building 7, seeing as Building 7 was not included in the 9-11 Commission report.
It was not in the initial NIST report.
And it really took seven years for Cheyenne Sunder and the gang to pivot from the idea that we had a gas explosion in the basement that took the whole building out to the idea of thermal expansion and global collapse.
Yeah, the most striking thing to me when that first started playing is just because I was, I guess, still in like Loose Change Final Cut World.
But it's like, it's crazy to just see like the 10-year jump in like quality there.
I mean, obviously, well, and that's, you know, again, possibly jumping ahead and possibly going off on a tangent.
But that was the great thing about 7 is that I was able to hire my director of photography friend Ryan O'Hara, who I had met in my time in LA.
And I'd been wanting to hire him and work with him for a long time.
And so when the budget for 7 came in, I was like, oh, this is great.
I get to hire a DP and hire a soundman.
And I actually get to just sit and conduct interviews and just direct.
So it was really nice.
And I think, you know, and obviously architects and engineers were very, very happy with how that turned out, which is the main reason that I got to do Unspeakable for them.
And again, not to jump ahead, but that was kind of the great thing about that piece, because obviously, you know, I had stayed in touch with AE.
I was talking to Kelly on a regular basis.
And she was like, oh, you know, we got this study that we're working on.
And obviously it had been going on for a long time.
But throughout that process, Kelly was talking to me and she was like, we'd like to do a documentary about this study.
And I was like, great, awesome.
Because, you know, me, like, I had, I don't want to say checked out of 9-11, but I mean, I definitely was not making any more 9-11 films.
I made my police brutality documentary after, you know, a couple of years after the fact, black and blue, which was again kind of, I guess, political in nature.
But I mean, like, after this change, like I really had no interest or desire to revisit the subject, at least until something new and exciting came along, which led me to both seven and unspeakable.
So the nice thing about seven was that I got to take a camera crew.
We got to go to Alaska in the dead of winter, which was actually kind of cool.
The cool thing about being in Alaska in the winter is that, because of obviously, how high up it is or how far north it is, rather during the winter you only get about three to four hours of daylight, but most of that daylight is magic hour because it's the sun is just so low on the horizon, it just like does this like semi-circle arc over the horizon.
So, like you basically like the entire time you're awake during the winter and most of it is magic hour, which is kind of cool actually, and from a photography standpoint it's great because like, I wound up staying there for an extra day or two just with my sound man, just us traveling around.
We took some pictures of the northern lights and then I just drove around Fairbanks for a day and just popping out drone shots because, like for most of the the day, the four or five hours of light we had, it was just gorgeous all the time.
Um, so it was just really nice.
And Leroy, like Leroy was just a stand-up guy.
Um, there's a scene in the documentary that you see where, like it was just on that first day, where we were just kind of like going around the campus with him.
He's kind of giving us a little bit of a tour um, and he goes into a room full of students and you know he's kind of talking to them about the papers that they're working on and just like general academia stuff and, like you know, one of the kids is just like oh what's, what's with the camera crew?
And Leroy's always like, oh yeah, it's the World Trade Center thing.
Um, but I mean all the students there like loved him, like I mean like we walked around that entire campus, everybody was just like everyone calls him Halsey, it's not professor Halsey, it's just Halsey.
Um, but the man Halsey is not only well renowned on campus by the students but was also um, well renowned by the University OF Fairbanks.
Um, they would not have allowed this study to come out.
I mean, their stamp is on it.
Like, I mean the University OF Fairbanks basically approved this study on building Seven um, and I think and that to me was like one of the first initial signs, before i'd even gotten a chance to read the final draft, where I was like wow okay, like this guy's onto something.
He's at a legitimate engineering school, he has the backing of the institution that he's working for um, so it was really nice.
It was really nice to um.
Oh no, my camera turned off.
Hold on, oh there he is.
Sorry, cool uh.
Should I take that back?
No, you're fine, keep going okay, cool um yeah, I mean it was just.
It was really nice.
Like Halsey was a stand-up guy, I got to go there with the camera crew.
We got to shoot a couple days of interviews oh, and also before that we were in um the San Francisco area interviewing Roland Scott and Kamal the other three people that were in there.
Um, but it was nice.
I mean we had like about a week to shoot it and so like two days in San Fran and then up to Fairbanks for like two, three days.
Um got back and I was gonna say got back and banged out the edit, but the edit took a lot longer than we were anticipating.
Um, I mean, going into it, I thought we were making like a 10, 15 minute piece, but I mean between all the interviews with everybody and like just the the breadth of the subject.
Um, and then they wanted to get some uh, computer animations done, some simulations.
So we had Get those commissioned and then get those made and then get a revision on those and then get another revision on those.
Went through a couple, and actually, it's funny, like he played the trailer.
I completely forgot that Ed Asner wound up narrating that.
Like, that's so much of a blur every day.
Ed Asner Narrates Trailer 00:05:45
Yeah, just totally forgot that Ed Asner, who again, you know, for some of these guys, let's talk about that for a minute because it wasn't just Ed Asner.
You know, a lot of people in academia refused to even look at this and they scoffed at this.
And you had this individual, Professor Halsey, who not only looked at it, but was brave enough to stand up to all these other cowards.
And Asner, in a lot of ways, did the same thing.
And, you know, in an era now where you get canceled for breathing wrong, right?
And the way we were attacked by the mainstream media, Asner was still able to keep in the mainstream and he was able to do the voice of up.
And we really did need those things and still do because we need to bring people into this information.
And like you said, seven is really one of those avenues, which kind of brings me to my next question before we go to break again.
You know, out of everybody that you've interviewed throughout your time regarding 9-11, I know which interview for me stands out the most, but which one stands out for you the most?
I already know what your favorite interview is.
I don't know.
We did a lot, and you did a lot without me.
I mean, you did.
For those that don't know, you know, Dylan talked to April Gallup, who came out of the hole in the Pentagon with her child.
Dylan interviewed Marcel Arnard, the Shinky brothers.
But out of all of them, I mean, we've got to talk about Barry Jennings just for a moment because, you know, you talked about Tucker Carlson and mentioning Building 7 recently.
Well, one of the reasons that Tucker Carlson mentioned Building 7 has known about it for years is because, again, love Alex Jones or hate him.
He showed him, you know, fabled enemies at the end with that Barry Jennings interview.
And obviously, the Barry Jennings interview, the only man that went on the record after being blown up in Building 7 to talk about it, the only other gentleman we know of that was in there and survived was Michael Hess, the city corporation counsel and right-hand man of Giuliani.
He talked about explosions in the building, stepping over bodies.
That's significant, Dylan, because there was not supposed to be any loss of life in building whatsoever, correct?
Yeah.
And, you know, I could tell that Dylan's kind of thinking about this one because for those that don't know, you know, Barry was very inviting when we met him.
It was tough to track him down.
It generally came from an extended clip of him discussing an explosion in the building.
It wasn't clear from the shorter clips that it was even in Building 7.
And Dylan, to your credit, man, you fished that out.
You figure out it was from Building 7.
We went down to New York City, guy had the key to the city, told his account, and for one reason or another, recanted basically his interview with us.
And then allegedly, I only say allegedly because of the bizarre circumstances we won't go into here, died shortly thereafter of fast-acting leukemia.
That's the kind of world that you really end up in when you delve into this.
Well, you know, you're thinking about it.
That's the story.
I mean, of course, this shit weighed on me heavily for a long time and still does.
But the interesting thing was just the timing.
It was just the fact that he died the week the NIST report on Building 7 came out.
And I mean, like, I don't know, like, zooming out 30,000-foot approach.
I mean, the universe tends to have a pretty screwed up sense of humor.
So, I mean, that could just be one of those things.
I don't know.
I mean, obviously, we don't have any proof that anything nefarious happened.
And I did wind up going like back and forth with one of his kids on MySpace, not like shortly after the fact, but definitely like after the fact.
And I think, I think it was, I don't want to say his name because I'm not trying to like, I don't want to, I don't want to trouble the family.
But one of his kids, I was talking back and forth with him on MySpace, and he was just like, yeah, well, you know, my dad even said like how screwed up it would be if he dies the week the Mr. Port comes out.
But I don't know, man.
That's like, that's still like such a weird thing.
I don't know.
I wish I had more to say about it.
But I mean, like, the whole, the whole experience, I mean, just tracking him down, doing the interview, like him being just like so receptive and open and didn't feel like he was doing anything controversial or wrong.
He was just giving an interview to these two punk kids with a mini DV camera.
You know, and he's his mind, he's probably like, no one's ever going to see this thing, you know, like say whatever I want.
And like, I don't know, man.
And just like, and it's funny because you were bringing up the razors and like 3GP videos.
And I was actually going to bring this up then and I'm going to bring it up now.
The greatest thing is that when I did that interview with the BBC, I knew that they were going to pull some shit.
And I know they're going to be like, oh, well, Barry didn't say this.
Barry didn't say that.
And he said that he didn't say that.
So, and I myself had one of the like little Nokia N95s, you know, again, like one of the early, early smartphones.
It was a pretty cool phone because it had like the giant screen on the front and it slid out and revealed like a keypad.
So like you could just show someone.
It's basically, it's basically like what phones are now, except it had like a sliding out keypad, you know.
But I just, I remember before that interview, I was like, I'm bringing this interview with me.
And sure as shit, not only did I do it, but they had to put it in the finished edit because not only did I do that, but there were a bunch of people from the movement who were around filming the whole interview for us.
So if for some reason they left that part out of the interview, then we could call them on it and be like, look, we played you the actual interview and you left that out of the edit.
But sure as shit, as soon as I saw that comment, I just took out my phone.
I'm pretty sure that's even in the edit too, where I was just like, I've got it right here.
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I'm just going to play it right now.
And just held it up to my face.
I just let Barry do the talking.
Barry's just like, and to your credit, they absolutely did that.
You are 100% right.
It did remain in the edit.
And it was one of those moments, again, where you called out the media.
And despite the fact that they were shown as liars, they're the authoritative sources.
Why?
Because unfortunately, to some, the subject matter is just unspeakable.
And that's going to bring us into the next segment.
We got to take a break.
But you ain't seen nothing yet, folks, because this is another powerful film by Dylan Avery.
You're going to get to see the trailer on the other side.
We'll be back after this.
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Divo.
So.
So awful and almost unimaginable that it defied the ability of words to capture it.
It's a void that exists even before uttering the unspeakable.
This was his fiancée Kim.
Might have been the last weekend we saw a body.
This is the wallet that they fit.
Nothing was ever found in my mother, so nothing to go on as far as physical evidence for her personally.
Dylan's Uncomfortable Truth 00:09:29
And Drew is a man on a mission.
This is what I do for Frank.
And Frank is gone and nothing's going to bring him back.
He's history.
I mean, we're talking, you know, people being pulverized into dust.
We know that 40% is 1,100 and something people have not been identified.
Just another powerful film by Dylan Avery.
And Dylan, like you said, you got the opportunity to do this after seven.
And you follow several family members of the victims.
And one of the smears that the mainstream media would try to use against people like ourselves is that we were disrespecting the family members by daring to ask these questions when in fact many of the family members were asking the same questions or sometimes even more provocative ones.
And again, this is, I'm not going to lie, guys, this is a tear jerker.
It is hard to watch people talk about their dead loved ones, but it is also really a testament to your filmmaking skills and yet another project where you could show this to somebody and bring them into the avenues of 9-11 Truth Dylan.
Yeah, and I mean, like, again, like just watching that trailer again, I was like, man, like, we really, really hit it out of the park with that one.
And I always say that because like that film kind of came about like, I don't want to say like late in the game, but let's say that somebody else was going to be making the 20th anniversary documentary for architects and engineers, and I wound up having to step in and take over the job.
Of course, I use the term job loosely in the most literal sense of the word, or maybe not the most literal sense.
But and I guess I only bring that up because it was interesting because I kind of came into that project with like there were a bunch of interviews that had already been lined up and there were like some story threads that the previous person was kind of starting to investigate.
But, you know, things had already been scheduled, like people had already blocked off the time.
And so Bob McElvane was actually for my leg and my takeover of the production, Bob McElvane was actually the first sit-down interview, which I thought was great because obviously I had known Bob for a long time, but I had never actually interviewed him.
And, you know, I was always pretty cautious about interviewing family members.
And I don't know, because like I interviewed Michelle Little for American Coup, and I never put it in the movie just because I guess it didn't feel right.
I don't know.
I didn't want to feel like I was just like using them as a shield, if that makes any sense.
I don't know.
I mean, I feel like they're over exploitive.
And I would say, you know, again, I was in those rooms with a lot of those people.
And especially when you were talking to family members and people that had lost loved ones, you almost weren't as compelled to interview that person because you understood the emotional baggage that they were still going through.
You know, and many are never going to get over.
I mean, when McElvane goes and visits his son's grave, man, that is just one of the most powerful points in that film.
And it needs to be powerful because, look, like I said, we're about to be on the 22nd anniversary.
And none of the people that truly ended up orchestrating this have ever been held accountable.
And I feel they have only been more empowered, and the system that allowed this to happen has only been more empowered.
And that frustrates me to no end.
And I don't know how we have a constitutional republic or really even a free humanity or claim that we do unless we can hold those people accountable.
Because, you know, as tragic as that event is, you and I both know that what was done in the name of it was just as, if not more tragic globally.
I mean, the amount of lives that 9-11 ends up touching globally and the amount of decimation, it's inexcusable in my opinion.
You know, I mean, this is an unspeakable thing, but it is inexcusable and we have to speak about it.
So, you know, in retrospect, and then we're going to have to take a break and move on from 9-11.
But we're here, man.
It's the 22nd anniversary.
What should people be doing in light of 9-11?
What should they be telling their family members?
Is there any hope for justice down the line?
Man, I don't know.
And I mean, like talking about Unspeakable, spoilers, if you haven't seen it or you plan on seeing it, it's not like a major reveal, but a large, well, one of the families that we follow around in the film is the Campbell family, who, interesting enough, is based out of the UK.
So that became a whole other interesting angle to the project.
But apart from, you know, what possibly happened to Jeff, I mean, I say possibly just to be diplomatic about it.
But the interesting thing about the Campbells is that they started an inquest and they started a legal filing within the British courts to basically reopen Jeff's death, Jeff's death, because it was just basically automatically classified as a homicide.
Like, oh, well, you know, Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower, et cetera, et cetera.
And it was basically just kind of like the blanket statement that they gave out for, you know, basically anyone that died on 9-11.
And granted, I think I can't remember exactly how many British citizens were there that day.
But anyway, a large chunk of the film focuses on the Campbells getting ready to file this inquest within the British courts.
And just recently, I saw that it got denied.
So, you know, the Campbell family, they put all this time and money and effort.
I mean, like, just like boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of like legal documents that I didn't see with my own eyes because I couldn't be over there because we were still in COVID time.
So my DP had to like fly over there and kind of, you know, be a little careful.
But just because like Britain was being very like crazy about like quarantines and stuff like that.
So she had one phone, then they had a burner phone.
And it just, it was this whole thing.
So like we were lucky enough just to get Ryan, my DP over there, because everything else got sourced over there.
Like another director that was actually a friend of Matt was basically my London unit director.
So like all those interviews shot in London, like Ryan, my DP is there, but then Alan, the London director, is right in the chair.
And then I'm like right there on a laptop and Zoom, just like listening in and mostly just letting him conduct the interview.
But every once in a while, I would like chip in with an additional something.
But yeah, I don't know.
Like I really had faith in that, in that inquest and just like the amount of work and effort that they were putting into it.
And so now to recently see that it got denied, it's just like, what do we do?
It's another roundhouse kick to the face, bro.
It's another one of the, but I don't know.
Yeah, like, what do we do?
You've got to keep pounding at the pavement.
It's the court of public opinion, and you just got to believe one day the dam will break.
But I mean, you look at the Epstein case, right?
That was something I was talking about for years and years and years with you.
You get some justice eventually, maybe, but most of it gets tied up.
I think that's totally unacceptable, especially in this case.
I don't want to leave 9-11 on a total down note.
I want people to know where they can find all these.
I believe they can find all the films on Amazon.
Yes, well, actually, Unspeakable is free to watch on YouTube.
Last, I mean, I know for a fact it's over a million views.
It probably hasn't broken anything substantial.
But yeah, you can look up Unspeakable on YouTube.
And like I said, million views.
And I actually, shortly after it came out, I just made like a little comment on there, just like thanking everybody for watching it and kind of giving a little bit of background.
And every once in a while, I still get a little email notification, like, oh, someone replied to your comment.
And like, not only all the replies to my comment, but just like a lot of the comments in general were just like, one, like you said, where they're like, this is really hard to watch.
Like, this is tough to watch.
It should make people uncomfortable.
It should.
It should.
And again, like, that was the whole point.
And that's the whole point.
It's just like, I'm sorry that you're uncomfortable by the fact that these people have been suffering in their own silent hell for the last 20 years.
I'm so sorry to inconvenience you with that.
But, you know, maybe you should be aware of it.
You know, and don't even get me started on that whole thing with like HBO and Spike Lee and just, oh my God, again, like, I forgot that all of that was happening right around.
You know, the last year goes all.
Well, no, because Unspeakable, because Unspeakable was supposed to be Architects and Engineers, like big 20th anniversary thing.
And then the whole thing happened with Richard.
And then the live stream of the movie got delayed.
And then Rosie was going to host it.
And then she didn't.
And then they had issues with the live stream.
And it's just like, Architects and Engineers had so much momentum for the 20th anniversary with our film and with the HBO piece and with everything going on.
And what happened with the shirt happened?
Yeah, it got to be real.
And it just sucks because I didn't personally get to see the 9-11 episode or the 9-11 truth episode of Spike's thing.
There's people in Architects and Engineers that did get to see it.
And I heard it was very well done and made a lot of really good points, but they just, because first Spike was trying to re-edit it to like, can't do it.
Can't show it on Viacom.
20 years later, can't give somebody a voice to question the great narrative.
All right, we got to take this break.
But when we come back, we're going to have some fun with some asteroids.
And we're not talking about 80s Atari video games here.
Parallel Patriot Economy 00:03:54
We're talking about his first feature film, which is a fun romp over in Oneana, New York.
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how the sausage is made.
Dylan, that was you shooting your first feature that is Asteroid, a light-hearted comedy about the end of the world.
And what I like about it is it's not giving us some kind of global warming message, like, look up.
It doesn't need DiCaprio.
It's got disco Dylan Avery.
It doesn't actually have, it's got it behind the camera.
So tell people about this film and how it came into fruition, really the struggle to get something like this done, something independent, lighthearted, and really out of the not only documentary wheelhouse, but kind of the serious wheelhouse that you're known for.
Asteroid Trailers and Bar Scenes 00:04:53
I am in the film very briefly, director cameo.
So definitely watch out for that.
Man, I'm so glad you got that video.
Like that, that whole street closure was just like, that was completely down to the wire because we originally had this whole conversation back and forth.
Like, I mean, obviously, we're doing pre-production for like weeks leading up to it, but like we had the street closure and like those like chaos scenes like scheduled for a particular, like I think like our first weekend.
But like because no one, I guess, had ever asked Oneonta to shut down a street to shoot a movie before, I find it hard to believe, but that's what they said on the town council.
They're like, listen, I'm sorry, we have to have a meeting about this because no one's ever asked us to do this before.
So like, it was just crazy because like we were getting down to the wire and like we had to push those scenes forward.
And then we weren't even sure if we were going to be able to do it.
And then we're like, are we going to have to like just guerrilla style this?
We're like, well, we can't gorilla style it because we want crowds running and we want the police.
We want the fire trucks.
Like we need all the things.
So the beauty of shooting a feature film in a place like Oneana, New York is that after all the after all the bureaucracy was taken care of and it got approved, it cost us $25 to shut down Main Street.
It cost $25 to shut down Main Street for four hours.
You also shot that scene outside of the bar I used to run.
So like the bar that you're coming and we got in there.
We got in there thanks to you.
We got in there thanks to you because I mean I mentioned because you had recommended it.
You were like, talk to Tom.
I talked to Tom and he was like, oh yeah, sure, come on in.
And like, it was great.
It was super because we wanted to shoot.
It was written in the script as the Oak.
But at that point, the Oak was still closed and we didn't even know if it was ever going to reopen.
So we're like, well, we need a bar.
And like, thankfully, like, you recommended the jug.
And yeah, Tom was just a little bit more.
It was right in the middle of Main Street.
And you know what?
Without further ado, let's give the people what they want.
Let's go to the asteroid trailer.
Hit the clip.
Good morning, I'm Leslie Ann with your morning mix.
What a beautiful summer day today here on Onayanta.
Plenty of sunshine on tap.
Can you just go into town and try to get us connected?
It'll make Zoe happy, and you know how much she didn't want to do this.
Oh, this isn't good at all.
Sir, you can't get internet.
Like, not even a little bit.
Big news day, huh?
Man, NASA's making some huge announcement.
Yeah, they've been talking about it all day.
We predict that an asteroid will strike somewhere within the continental United States within the next 72 hours.
Hey!
Hey!
Hello!
It's gonna hit your house.
Come again.
Spooks.
They're watching you.
I'm not running anymore.
Create speech.
I'm sure the asteroid will be very moved.
No! No internet!
Really?
Not even a little?
Yeah, I just figured the government would step in and like send a rocket up into space and blow up the asteroid.
Well, you might have heard that there is a possibility that we will be removed from the United States, so we are on our own.
We have a president that would rather ignore the whole situation than deal with it.
My family already left me.
Yeah, reporters showing up.
Agents walking through my bushes, and an asteroid is about to hit my house.
Soon.
That story comes soon.
That's what I'm talking about, my friend.
So, look, you know, I wanted to bring that up because, look, we talked about some serious stuff.
People that watch this show, you know me.
You've had a lot of private conversations.
I can get a little serious here and there.
But there's an other side to all of us, especially you.
You know, I can't really talk about how many episodes of The Simpsons and South Park we sat and laughed to together.
And, you know, how many times we watched films like Clerks and other things that were just there to have fun.
So, you know, I want to know what's next.
Are you doing another film?
Are you having a little bit more fun?
And where can people see this one?
So, last question first: Asteroid is pretty much everywhere.
Tubi, Roku, Amazon, it's international as well.
On one of her statements, we got wasn't much, but on one of her statements, we got a payment from South Korea.
So, I don't know who in South Korea is watching a silly little film about an asteroid hitting upstate New York, but our distributor, ITN, has been like very, very happy with asteroid.
They're like, Yeah, I don't know what it is about this movie, but like people start watching it and they don't stop.
Making Sense of the Madness 00:08:33
And there might be, there's a slight factor where the initial artwork that they put out was either completely the wrong artwork or misleading.
So, like, people thought it was a disaster film.
So, like, some of the, and of course, that would explain the ratings on IMDb because a lot of people were like, I thought this was going to be a disaster movie.
And it was just a silly little comedy.
But on the flip side of that, there's a lot of people who were like, I went into this expecting a disaster film.
And it was actually a really good, silly little comedy.
So, you know, I think the most important thing to keep in mind and to remind people if they either don't know or forgot is that the whole reason Loose Change happened and exists is because I just wanted to direct a feature film.
You know, like Loose Change started as a narrative feature film about three kids investigating 9-11 and then things go off the rails.
And that was always supposed to be my first narrative film.
I mean, at least, you know, at the ripe young age of 18, that's what I thought it would be, at least.
And that was kind of part of the wake up of that process as a young, dumb filmmaker.
Like, I don't have the money or the resources or the anything to pull off this script that I'm currently writing.
Um, but Dylan, now that we're old and gray, never say never.
Listen, we got to go to break.
When we come back, we got a short segment, but you're doing it all.
You're a jack of all trades.
You got a new album out.
So, when we come back, we're gonna start with a cut from that new album.
And that album, uh, this cut is with a guy named Remo Conscious.
And Remo does amazing work and actually did the title track for Loose Change Final Cut.
I listen to it to this day, gives me chills.
Uh, one of the greatest tracks.
In fact, we might have to play that on the show.
Oh, that song is so good, man.
Like, man, that song is so good, man.
I remember, I remember when I first got that from him.
When I first got that first version of it from him, I was like, Remo, you got to be kidding me, dude.
Like, uh, still, yeah, I still listen to it.
Fantastic track, but we're gonna come out to some new disco Dylan Avery and Remo Conscious after this.
When we come back, it's Making Sense of the Madness.
but you might not be living.
And the longer you survive, time gets less forgiving.
They say it moves faster as you get older.
But I think instead, what happens is life gets colder.
Your mind begins to slip, and your bones get weak.
And your legs to get the trip and you struggle to skate.
So stretch your legs, make sure you hydrate.
Rise like the steam from a sewer grain.
Cause maybe in your eyes, it's too late to get ahead.
But you should realize when you're dead.
And when you see the Reaper coming, you got to run, run, run, get your ass catching shit together.
Until the things you do are done.
Cause you're asking shit together.
Until this flush no longer fun.
Catch your ass catch shit together.
Until you cannot see the sun.
Can't ask shit together.
Till your legs no longer Scan on the wheel.
Exhale.
Yo, dumb and ball.
Tell them, Remo.
I'm here for the long run.
One step at a time like a marathon.
Inhale, exhale till it's all gone.
Breakfast when death catches up so long.
Till then, I'ma live free like a bird in the sky.
Or a fish in the sea of the blaze of the sun.
Singing songs to the wind.
I mean, no dust is made to the last star.
Then, it's just a matter of time until my time's up, so why stand still?
I'm running for my life, not running out of fear.
Trying to outbreak step because it might be me.
People far away.
Fact is, I could die today.
Just like you, so has a fun.
Get up, get that, lace up, and run.
Get up, get off your ass, get shit together.
Get up, get that, lace up.
And there is, my man, this is the first time I heard it.
It sounds great.
I'm very impressed.
I know none of this stuff is easy.
It ain't easy putting a track together, an album together, a film together, a trailer together.
All this stuff does take time.
And believe me, when you're doing it, you end up being your own worst critic.
You end up going back 100,000 times and picking it apart.
Tell people not only where they can get the album, but what you got coming up next, still.
Yeah.
And again, I really want to appreciate you squeezing that in there because I know that it's not really like on brand for what we're talking about.
And I know I'm taking a huge risk by putting it out to this huge audience.
But dude, I'm just, I'm so stoked, man.
Like, I just, I, I sat down at the end of last year and I had something bugging me and I wrote a song and then that turned into 12 more tracks, some of which were a decade old that I never finished.
And I was really nervous to reach out to Raymond.
Like, I was super nervous.
I was like, this is a guy that like I've looked up to for so long and I'm about to ask him if he wants to jump on one of my tracks.
But like even way back in like January, February where things were like real, real demo status and I would be embarrassed to listen to that version of Run that I sent him.
But he was like, yeah, man, I'm on board.
I'll totally do it.
And that kind of motivated me to kind of keep working on it and keep mixing.
And, you know, like you said, the own worst enemy thing.
But anyway, so the album's out everywhere, everywhere you get music.
If for some reason anyone wants to take their time to listen to it, it's on Spotify, Pandora, whatever.
Name your music service.
It's on there.
And the great thing about that is that despite the fact that that came out like two weeks ago, I'm already working on my new stuff.
There's this local musician rapper named King Konya, and he's just been amazing.
Like he helped motivate me to finish the album and get it out there.
We started making tracks together.
Like we did a major jam session at this party on Saturday.
Like I'm just, I'm, I'm reconnecting with a part of myself that I thought was gone forever.
And so anyone that takes the time out to listen to the album, I hope you enjoy it.
I hope you appreciate it.
If you do enjoy it, then there's more coming.
And if you don't enjoy it, that's fine because, you know, everyone's different.
Yeah.
I mean, some people can't stand my face.
And I get it.
I can't stand my face sometimes.
Listen, brother, I just want to thank you so much for spending an hour with me.
I know that you get hit up constantly as I'm getting hit up constantly for the 9-11 anniversary.
And, you know, it still matters so much to me that we, I think we help change the world.
And I think we help change the world for the better, man, because no matter how dark it is, truth is the ultimate love and love is the ultimate truth.
And you got to dive in there.
And the bottom line is lies don't make friends.
And I'm here to try to make friends, man.
I need us all to come together and hold those people that would do us harm accountable.
You've just done tremendous work.
Again, I can't recommend people watch Unspeakable and 7 enough.
All the loose change films that are out there.
They're all over the place.
And if you want to laugh, man, check out Asteroid.
Check out my small little town in upstate New York that, yeah, like is picturesque, gorgeous.
Connecting Patriots 00:01:58
I missed the Catskill Mountains.
So, Dylan, I absolutely love you.
And you guys at home, I love you too.
It is ampnews.us, where the truth lives.
We'll see you on the flip side.
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