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July 1, 2023 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas

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Ian Crossland Of Timcast Goes Full AI!!!

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	Hey everybody, Jason Bermas here, and for the next 30, 45, who knows, maybe an hour, we're going to be talking about artificial intelligence and a lot more with a guy that a lot of people know, obviously, from the TimCast IRL podcast, but also somebody who was crucial in the beginnings of the social media platform Minds, and someone who's kind of like a tech and info junkie on this subject as well.
	And why I wanted to get him on is we're now seeing the commercialization of different artificial intelligence tools in a number of areas.
	One of the least reported on aspects of the current Writers Guild Strike is that Hollyweird is trying to go AI and cut a lot of the writers out and even directors for AI project managers.
	And even myself with the new Photoshop beta has immersed himself in AI and this thumbnail right here was made with about 10 prompts.
	And took me about five minutes.
	And I, you know, I said I wanted to, I started with the background.
	We might even make one now, but it's becoming ever more easy to do impressive artwork.
	And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
	So Ian Crossland is with us.
	Ian, thank you so much for joining us.
	Oh, thanks for having me again, man.
	Listen, I always love our conversations.
	And what's your take on this right now?
	Because you're seeing the AI in real time, mostly with the chat GPT, but now with the graphics, we've got the audio, we've got the deep fakes.
	Every single day, Arnold Schwarzenegger's in a new movie, and it's extremely impressive.
	So what are your thoughts right now?
	Dude, we are entering, or have entered, a new age of media.
	It's almost like when they discovered electricity, kind of, or like, it's like they invented the movie camera again, and now there's all of a sudden this new form of art called movies, but it's like AI, and I think people are like, yo, it's gonna displace musicians, and it's gonna displace actors, and like, Yeah, the car displaced horse-drawn carriages, but for the better.
	So, I'm an actor.
	I've been an actor since I was 15 or 14 years old, and I'm actually still pumped as hell.
	I think because it seems inevitable, I have no choice but to allow myself to be pumped as hell for it.
	I'm not going to kick and scream my way and fight it.
	Well, look at it this way, man.
	Like, you could co-star in Big.
	Like, you could be the friend, child.
	Like, we could impose and then de-age an Ian Crossland face, maybe get a minute sample of your voice, and then put you throughout the entire film, and you could be Tom Hanks' buddy.
	In the 1980s classic, Big.
	And that's not out of the realm.
	That's something you could actually do maybe on a weekend, eventually.
	Yeah, I think maybe what'll happen is people will be able to spend 99 cents to get a copy of Big, but they'll have to pay a license to the actor of their choice.
	So they'll be like, I'll pay 99 cents to get Tom...
	I don't know, Leonardo DiCaprio's face, and a lot of that money will go to Leo directly for his licensing of his face on any character you want.
	And certain porn, if someone's like, I want to license Leo's face for this porn I'm watching, Leo can say, I'm not going to allow my face to be licensed on porn.
	Then there'll be a lot of dark porn where it's still getting used anyway, but he's not getting the licensing fees, and then they're going to be trying to get it.
	Yeah. But then it's like Streisand effect.
	If you're like, I don't want my face to be used on that porn.
	People are like, what porn? Oh, your face is on porn?
	And then you make a big deal out of it and all of a sudden everyone knows.
	But like, have you used Mid Journey?
	You know, so here's the deal.
	I had Zach Voorhees on the...
	Oh, I just talked to him today. He was just here.
	So about, I say about a month ago, like you, we did one of these premium broadcasts.
	And I want to thank all the Red Voice Media premium out there for supporting the program.
	And we brought Mid Journey up, mid-tier.
	And we actually did the prompts and the directions.
	We might even do some of the new Photoshop beta with you and show you how you really do it from scratch.
	Because, look, my big thing on artificial intelligence, this is something I talked with Zach at length about, is it's whoever's writing it.
	So it's not really artificial intelligence that is sentient or is even self-learning.
	There's always written algorithms by the programmer.
	Within the parameters all this is used.
	And especially with the AI creation, it's really imitation.
	So the AI itself does well after you give it a base.
	In other words, it's not great at just creating things out of nowhere.
	Mid-journey with one prompt that's a paragraph does a good job of that.
	That's not really where we're at.
	In Photoshop yet, but I think we'll do one live if you want.
	We'll create maybe like a cowboy scene or something like that.
	How about that? So let's do it live here, folks.
	That's what we love to do.
	We love to do stuff live with our guests, especially when it comes to AI, because people kind of understand where the programming is coming from.
	So... Here we are.
	We're in Photoshop right now.
	And this is what I created.
	I'm not going to go over how I created that one because we're going to do something live right here.
	But I'm going to start it at basically a new project at thumbnail spec.
	So in other words, 1920 by 1080.
	Here it is. I hate even the white background as a suggestion.
	We're going to get rid of that.
	And we're going to just have a regular layer.
	Then we're going to go in.
	We're going to select the whole thing.
	Now... I'm thinking to myself...
	You like anime, right?
	Yeah, I do. Alright, so let's do some anime stuff.
	Let's do... Anime...
	Dystopic...
	Cowboy...
	Society. And just hit that and see what we get for a generation.
	We've got the Jeopardy music on kids right now.
	It's still generating.
	We're about halfway there.
	I think we're going to take a total of about 15 to 30 seconds for whatever it gives us.
	It's going to give us three prompts.
	Number one, I wish it hadn't put a character in there.
	Like, I'm not in love with that.
	I think the anime thing has done that, but that's the style.
	Okay, now we don't have as much of the characters, but I want this as a base.
	That's too many cowboys for me.
	I think I'm going to take away anime for now, because that seems like...
	I don't need that. So I'm just going to go with dystopic cowboy society.
	And maybe the cowboy is too much of a prompt.
	We'll find out. Maybe I have to type in Western, right?
	So again, it's only working with words here, folks.
	And it's borrowing from a vast amount of imagery and algorithms.
	See, if we gave us cowgirls.
	Hey! That's how woke it is, by the way.
	It's extremely bigoted. Notice we got some black cowboys as well.
	And I hate using the term woke, but we did a whole thing.
	You tried doing construction worker, New York City construction worker.
	Not a white guy in the bunch.
	Like, it's groups of women.
	It's out of control.
	All right, so now I've already seen cowboy is a word we can't use.
	Okay? So now we got to do like Western.
	So Western society.
	Western society. Western movies.
	Because movies will help, right?
	Yeah. Western movies.
	Old West, that's a good one too. Old West.
	See, that's why we're working together here, right?
	Yes. We've got to make a domination thumbnail without actually doing any graphical work.
	So here.
	Perfect. Beautiful.
	That's good. But we got three. So let's see.
	Oh, I like that one better.
	I love it. Listen, so that's where we're going to start.
	I like that second one the best, right?
	So now we're going to add our anime character.
	All right. So now we've got...
	It's basically a full thumbnail.
	Now I'm just going to make a small selection and say we're going to put them right here in the car.
	We're going to bring it down. And now I want cowboy anime character.
	And let's see what it gives us.
	Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
	And this is why, unfortunately, graphic designers are going to have a rough time.
	Alright, so that's not too impressive.
	But I like that one a little better.
	Still not where I want to be.
	No. So, let's tune it up.
	What do you think? What should we add here to make it more exciting?
	Well, what's your vision?
	How about cyber cowboy anime character?
	Or actually, we don't even necessarily need the anime in this because we've already got kind of like that feel of a painting.
	So let's take anime out.
	We're going to have cyber cowboy character.
	I don't think you can use gun.
	Now, you can't use like...
	It's really interesting. I was playing around with it to see what I could do.
	So I was taking the name of a Muppet And having it associated with a band.
	Okay, a little better. I'm not in love with it.
	Let's go. Nah, walking away.
	That's a little better. You own the rights to this image?
	Yeah, it's mine. It's generated for me.
	Nobody else is doing this.
	This is utterly being made.
	So now we've got this.
	Let's put some UFOs in the background.
	So let's go right here in that area there and we're going to generate fill and I'm going to say silver UFOs flying.
	Let's see what we get. Oh man, I lost track.
	What was I talking about right before that?
	I'm so fascinated with this.
	It's incredible, right?
	So now I'm going to have three images of these.
	I don't love those right there.
	Those are a little bit better.
	Those are kind of mushroomy.
	I'm not in love. We're going to go generation again.
	But I'm going to say silver UFOs flying triangles.
	You were talking about how you and Zach Voorhees were talking about the data.
	Yeah, but you notice how it's playing off the current data in each one.
	The more I build on top of it or take away, it maintains that style.
	So if you start with a certain photograph or a graphic, it gets within that.
	See, there we go. You know what I mean?
	I like that a little bit better.
	That's a dually. That's the best one.
	Boom. So now, you know, we got a pretty cool thumbnail concept.
	I'm looking at our time. Five minutes.
	You know what I mean? And you can upscale that, but it's already at 1080p.
	And we're pretty well zoomed in.
	Obviously, it has imperfections, but almost like a surreal painting type imperfection.
	Yeah. Yeah. You could put like little speech bubbles in there and have a comic drawn out in like 20 minutes or less.
	And it would be in the style.
	It's pretty wild.
	So listen, I think like everything, it's a tool.
	But we have to be aware of that tool.
	And that is a tool. It's not sentient.
	You know what I mean? It's still going to take creatives and people who have some ingenuity, in my opinion, to be able to use this stuff in a marketable fashion.
	Because what's visual now in 2D... is going to be even more extreme in 3D and not just in 3D and VR but AR with Apple now launching their new headset.
	Now that's mainlining a lot of things.
	What are your thoughts on the new AR Apple?
	My first thought was way overpriced.
	$3,500. What the hell are they doing?
	But I just talked to Zach Voorhees today.
	Actually, we had him on The Culture War with Tim Poole.
	It was Tim and Zach and I. And he was saying that when you sell...
	Virtual reality or augmented reality goggles, you're aiming for, there are two markets.
	You're either going for the consumer or for business development.
	And this is specifically for business development.
	So for like teams and corporations that want to increase work productivity, I think it's absolutely going to do that.
	You're going to be able to move your screen.
	Like I'll be able to have this conversation with you with my thing on.
	I won't have to have my, well, I might have to have still a phone and a camera up.
	So no. So basically, I've been extensive on this.
	With the new device, what's interesting is it's creating a digital avatar of you in 3D that is not quite human, but I put it on par with, say...
	Some of the old school Final Fantasy movies.
	Remember when they did that film?
	Not quite there.
	You can definitely tell it's digital.
	But it's in real time with the sensors inside.
	And I've watched now Marcus Brownlee and Linus.
	They got to demo the thing for a half an hour with it.
	Because it's not commercially available.
	They're releasing it to developers with code.
	So it's not coming out until the next year.
	So that they can basically have apps to launch with it.
	That's why they're announcing it now.
	But they said the eye tracking is unbelievable.
	And the amount of cameras and sensors actually redevelops your entire face.
	In fact, there's really not a spot on this device, head to toe, that it's not tracking.
	You know, in... What eventually becomes a third dimension because of the processing.
	They're using the M2 chip.
	And, you know, again, I'm a geek.
	I'm a video editor myself.
	I do streaming and I call fights, right?
	So, in the production room, they love the M1 chip because they do streaming, 1080p, 60 frames a second, live sporting events all over the place with that chip.
	They've doubled it up and they've put an R1 or an R2 chip in there as well for processing power so this thing doesn't have any controllers either so in other words when you wear it what it's gonna do is it's gonna have an avatar of your upper body and the AI so another tool of the AI let me show you this this is actually pretty fascinating to me I thought that this is like okay wild let's let's find ourselves a cool picture of Ian Crossland on the internet Let's do it, Ian! We're going to have AI Ian in just a moment.
	Okay? So actually, you know what?
	Let's take this one. This is a cool one right here.
	Okay? So let's copy this image.
	All right? I'm going to do File, New.
	We're going to create that.
	We're going to bring it right in now.
	So here we go. We're going to hit Control-V. It's in there.
	But what we want to do is we want to make that image bigger.
	Okay, so we'll crop tool.
	And again, this is in the beta, everybody.
	If you're paying for Photoshop and you're not doing it, what are you waiting for?
	So let's see.
	We're going to go there.
	And now, let's see what we got here.
	Bam, I should have gotten rid of the background.
	But whatever. I think it's still going to be smart without it.
	We'll find out in a moment.
	So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to select the whole thing.
	I'm not going to hit anything with any prompts.
	I'm just going to hit generate fill and hit generate.
	And it should fill up that stage.
	We'll see how it does. It'll give me a few options, but it should give everybody a hand and some legs and the whole shebang.
	Let's see how it does.
	Nope. Nope. Not what we wanted.
	That's weird. Why did that do that?
	Usually that's not the problem. Maybe it was because...
	Let's go to the history.
	See, it's not perfect by any means.
	So, paste it. Do you think it misinterpreted the crowd behind us in this?
	I don't think it misinterpreted it.
	I think it had something to do with the fact that I was a jerk.
	And instead of doing it this way, let's see.
	Now I've deleted the background layer.
	And I'm just going to make the height 12 instead.
	Control Z. I'm in the image mode.
	Sorry, hold on. I've got to be in image.
	I've got to do the canvas side.
	Canvas size. There it is.
	Canvas size. So we're going to make the width.
	Actually, we're just keeping the width.
	And we're going to go 2,000.
	On the height. Okay.
	There we go. That's perfect.
	So actually what I should do is not select you at all.
	I'm going to select this.
	And then I'm going to do a shift selection here.
	So now I've got that.
	Now let's hit generate fill and see what it does.
	Because I made it way too big and tall.
	Let's see what we get.
	Maybe we'll get like a starry night.
	Who knows? Bum, bum, bum.
	AI. So what did you take away with that?
	There you go. Holy shit.
	So there's what it thought first.
	And there you are on stage.
	That's a little bit more, but it looks like you're inside.
	It thought you were inside, right?
	So let's go a little bit more.
	And let's see what the third one is.
	Not as good. But let's generate three more.
	I'd say number two is like, whoa.
	Look at your leggings. Dude, that is awesome.
	Can you send that to me?
	Send me that? I'll send you the Photoshop file after it, for sure.
	This is so bizarre.
	Yep, and we're hitting generate again, so you're going to get three more.
	And this is the beta, you know what I mean?
	I can only imagine.
	There you go, that's even better.
	That's way better, actually.
	I mean, your legs are a little bit weird, for sure.
	There's another one that now...
	Rocking the cargo shorts, Clint Russell.
	Yep, and this one, it figured out that you're outside.
	That's the best one yet. There's one more.
	Let's see. That's weird, but at a six, I'd say, you know, if it was quick, people wouldn't even notice.
	You know, if that was just in a slideshow, you'd just be like, yeah, we took the whole thing.
	And the less it has to do, I think, the better it works.
	You can prompt it to mess around with it a little bit after.
	We'll stop with the Photoshop for now, but it's pretty wild, huh?
	The AI is here, and it's in full force, Ian.
	That's something I was talking to Zach about today, Zach Voorhees.
	Like AI, AI is a general term used to talk about machine learning, to talk about large language models and general intelligence.
	And I was trying to, we didn't really get a chance to hone in on the specific differences between all of these things.
	I think the stage that these things are at right now is at large language model.
	We haven't quite reached a general intelligence yet, but if you listen to Sam Altman, who's the CEO of OpenAI, who does ChatGPT, he says he's predicting a general intelligence to be in action by September of 2023.
	And a general intelligence is the kind of thing that can create more of itself.
	I still think it has to pull from a set that is offered by humans.
	And who's offering that set?
	What's in the set? That is absolutely necessary that we know those things.
	Full transparency.
	I mean, I don't think it's going to be like that, unfortunately, off the bat.
	But I think in order... I don't think it's ever going to be like that, unfortunately.
	Listen, let's talk about Sam Altman for a minute.
	At those hearings, we're about three weeks out from those, maybe four, about three or four weeks ago, when he and Eric Schmidt both got up in that hearing, and they supposedly...
	Took opposite ends of the spectrum, right?
	Sam Altman said, hey, maybe we should have a freeze of three to six months on artificial intelligence.
	I think that's necessary, etc.
	And then on the other side of that, you had Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Alphabet, Google, supposedly has no more real power, but come on.
	I mean, he's been in and out of the National Security Council, sits on the Bilderberg Steering Committee.
	They just happened to meet later in the week.
	Both of them are there. But you have him saying, no, we can't do that because China is going to advance no matter what.
	And I'm of this idea. Technology is technology, man.
	It's going to push forward. We want it to be honestly, especially with this, as open source as possible so we can find out how honest it is.
	Right? But we don't have that.
	So while they're saying the opposite things, they're really saying the same thing.
	This needs more government regulation.
	We can't let the genie out of the bottle and give this tool to those that could program it, I would say, outside of the national security state and the technology companies they do business with.
	Period. And this, I think, this is another thing Zach and I were talking about, is that he thinks the reason they're pushing for regulation at the government level is because there's a narrative that's been crafted and is being threaded throughout the internet about what history is.
	And if an AI starts to piece all the data in human And the human data bank together and realizes that this narrative that the mainstream has crafted isn't necessarily real, and it starts telling people, actually, what I think is real is this.
	It will completely, it could completely upend the power structure.
	And so they want to curb that.
	They want to head it off at the pass, and they're like, no, no, no, we just gotta...
	I think that's 100% correct.
	I think it's all about narrative management.
	So let's fast forward to Bilderberg literally that week, I think several days after.
	CNBC actually did their cover story on the fact that Sam Altman was there.
	Now you had OpenAI, you had DeepMind, you had Microsoft heavy on AI. AI is at the top of their official list on...
	The agenda. So AI, banking system, China, energy transition, fiscal challenges, etc.
	NATO's heavy there, of course.
	And in fact, there's no BRICS nations even represented there.
	So lots of ministers, lots of deputy ministers, lots of AI. Who's not on the list?
	Yoval Noah Harari, but he just happens to be filmed in Portugal, Lisbon, where...
	The meeting is taking place on that weekend while he was there.
	So Eric Schmidt, Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, they're all there.
	They're steering committee members.
	I think what you're looking at is the great narrative being crafted with how we keep AI working.
	From the public, when certain AI, APKs, or code sources do leak to the public, we have to marginalize anything that becomes popular, right?
	Because I think what we're going to end up happening, just like we had Napster in the beginning, and then it was Morpheus, Kazaa, LimeWire, the Notella Network, or IRC Chat, there's always going to be some kind of piracy, right?
	Right. So I think what you're gonna end up getting is kind of these AI bots and programs that will be banned.
	And you'll have to either get through a physical source or a VPN if they haven't been outlawed.
	I think that's why we have the move to also make certain VPN activity criminal.
	And I think those are going to go through the next iterations.
	I see that happening probably in the next five years.
	Because in the next two years, I think a lot of these programs are going to start hitting offices and people are going to start being automated out.
	I mean, what are your thoughts? Yeah, man.
	The ability, like Zach was saying, for him to code so quickly now, if he needs to get a plug-in, I'm not sure if it was a plug-in he was talking about, but he needed like some, might have been an APK. He was looking for something, and he asked ChatGPT4 to write this code for him, and it just gave him the code, like within, I don't know, 30 seconds to a minute.
	It said it would have taken him two days, and it took him an hour.
	That's two days of labor that is no longer needed.
	Now, I am not obsessed with the jobs economy.
	I think that the whole Federal Reserve concept of have one guy dig a hole and then have that guy fill the hole back up and then have him dig it again and have that guy filled up.
	We'll pay them with our own funny money that we print and then they can pay us back with interest on that.
	We'll keep the Ponzi scheme rolling so that we can keep profiting off this interest that they're giving us back.
	I don't like that system inherently.
	I think that a job for the sake of a job, like useless jobs, why, you know, I'm not into it.
	But the creatives are the ones that are going first.
	Me and Zach talked about that especially.
	That's what this writers...
	You know that, right? That the Writers Guild is basically mad because they're going to bring in AI. David Simon has probably been one of the most...
	You know who David Simon is, right?
	No. David Simon is the wire.
	Okay? And I'll just type in AI. That's all I'll probably have to do.
	He writes... David Simon, did you write...
	Oh yeah, he's the creator of The Wire, and here's a great article.
	He'd rather put a gun in my mouth than use AI. And he's one of many people that are talking about this, but obviously this isn't in the media because they want to have it in the backdrop.
	You talked about the fact that you're probably going to be able to license characters, but you're not only going to license characters, you're going to be able to be in the movie.
	And not only are you going to be in the movie, okay, but It's not just going to be you're going to sit down with your kids or your family and be like, ha ha, I'm in the movie or whatever, right?
	Whether it's a joke clip or whatever.
	You can live inside the movie because you're going to have a 3D arena that the AI is going to be able to build.
	I was watching NVIDIA's new AI tool, the Omniverse.
	Holy shit, Ian.
	I literally watched that last night and it was a forum out in Taiwan recently.
	And they were making the AI... It was taking a PDF of a floor plan of a factory.
	They were telling it to build it in 3D in CAD and it was doing it.
	And it was doing it really quickly.
	Okay? So as you just saw how we built a thumbnail in Photoshop.
	Like if I were to build that thumbnail, I would have done the same prompts in a search engine.
	But I would have been directly taking somebody else's artwork.
	I would have only had so many choices because the resolution wouldn't have been there.
	I would have had to manually change anything I wanted.
	And we literally, just with a couple of prompts, we got it done in 90 seconds, right?
	And then from there...
	It still took from copyrighted data.
	It just isn't... For some reason, it's advanced so rapidly that copyright can't keep up.
	I feel like the age of copyright is over in a lot of ways.
	Unless you're Disney! Unless you're Disney, right?
	Unless you're part of the cartel, bro.
	This is my point. So the great narrative is we get to control the technology.
	When we want to copyright things like Mickey Mouse that should be up by now, we'll do it anyway, especially when you're the company that owns a vast majority of the Hollyweird Entertainment now.
	Think about it. Disney's not just Disney, bro.
	They own everything we loved as a child.
	They own The Simpsons, a lot of Fox commodities.
	They own Marvel.
	They own ESPN, which is in business with my favorite sport and every sport, but the UFC in particular.
	They have... I would argue a vast monopoly on entertainment and that narrative.
	And even in Florida, a lot of people are...
	Listen, I'm not stumping for DeSantis.
	But there's no reason that a park, a theme park, or a company should rule themselves or not pay taxes.
	But the reason that is, is because historically, if you look at what Disney did...
	During World War II, they partnered with the government.
	I'm sure you've seen some of the propaganda films, including Donald Duck.
	Oh, yeah. We used to watch those in school, yeah.
	I mean, he sits there and he sings about the New World Order and Hitler's New World Order, as they have cartoon versions of Germans and racist versions of the Japanese, right?
	And that song was a huge hit.
	Well, what people don't realize is without the Central Intelligence Agency, Disney World down in Florida doesn't exist.
	They weren't going to sell all that land.
	The CIA stepped in as kind of like a favor from the back and created shell companies, bought up a bunch of land parcels individually, and that became Disneyland.
	So, you know, that's...
	I mean, just the MPAA itself, the Motion Pictures Association of America.
	You have Jack Valente, who's on the plane when JFK is killed.
	Like, he's on the plane with his wife.
	The guy's a total spook.
	The intelligence agencies and the entertainment industries, they're hand-in-glove, Ian.
	And now it's with the tech industries.
	And now all of those have kind of meshed together, if you haven't noticed.
	Yeah, and the art forms are meshing together too, like the movie industry, the video gaming industry, like you were saying, you'll become the main character in the movie.
	The artistic industry, like, I'm not much of a drawer.
	I've never really practiced or got good at drawing, but I can think about creative plots.
	And when I go into mid-journey and I'm like, Donald Trump and Joe, imagine Donald Trump and Joe Biden gripping hands with rippling muscles, the biceps in the foreground, A 20% sheen of light reflecting off the sweat.
	Donald Trump has a grimace.
	And the shot is from the front, like I visualize screenplays.
	And then all of a sudden it draws it for me.
	And now I'm a visual artist as well.
	So I don't feel like it's going to ruin the human artistry so much as make the really great people greater.
	And I think a lot of mid-level people that are just kind of filling in the gaps will be looking around like I'm not needed anymore because it's the really creative people that are going to be able to do it all.
	Well, I think that... So, there's a guy I follow on YouTube.
	I'd encourage you to watch his videos overall if you're into tech anyway because he does a lot of camera stuff.
	But he's got a great story.
	He goes by Marky Picks.
	And basically, this guy is a child prodigy who goes to art school and he can do photorealistic drawings.
	By the time he's a teenager, he's teaching in the art school like in the first week.
	Yeah. He's so good.
	And he's got these incredible paintings and photographs.
	He ends up getting in the film industry and painting a lot of the sets.
	In fact, one of the movies he worked on, I believe, was Total Recall.
	Okay? It's with Paul Van Hoeven.
	So he did a lot of the stuff you saw in Total Recall.
	He's a lot older now, right?
	He's got a coffee table books of all these paintings.
	And number one, he said, he said some really interesting things.
	He said, first of all, no one cares if you can draw or paint anymore.
	He's like, really guys, no one cares.
	They haven't cared for years.
	He's like, it's just not something that people care about in general.
	He's like, I got this coffee table book.
	No one cares about it. He goes, this isn't selling.
	This isn't what makes me money.
	You know what I mean? This has nothing to do with it.
	And by the way, he's also a scientist.
	He's got like all sorts of degrees.
	And he's also written books on health.
	He's a really interesting character.
	Then he goes... All these camera companies are starting to go out of business because nobody's buying cameras anymore because no one cares about what's photo real because you can literally create your own reality.
	He goes, in fact, the cameras that they're selling, what are they selling?
	They're selling the vlogging cameras.
	If you don't have a vlogging feature in a camera, it's no longer selling.
	And that's an extension of your phone, this social media universe.
	And then he starts going, and now with the deep fakes and the AI... Nobody's going to care because nobody's going to know what's real anymore because they're going to be so saturated in things that are fake.
	And he goes, it's going to become a society that even when it's real, he fears that people just won't care because they're just getting hit with things that are hyper real all the time.
	And I think he might be right.
	And I think that's gonna be a big issue, right?
	Because like you said, it's gonna make the, I think the super creative people that much more creative, right?
	It's a tool just like anything else.
	But we don't live in a society where there's that many people making a dollar on being super creative.
	And we do live in a society where you maximize profits and you get, you trim the fat.
	And a lot of those people that are in HR type jobs, Mass-com type jobs and even these creative jobs in writing, right?
	Now we're seeing it in art.
	They're going to be gone.
	Yeah, and I think it is a natural evolution of artistry, unfortunately for artists, maybe in some way that wanted to make a lucrative career.
	Back 200 years ago, no one made money off art, really.
	The artists, even like Leonardo da Vinci, I mean, he was probably somewhat wealthy, but like Michelangelo, they didn't have money.
	They were patronized.
	Someone would pay them to come Live on their property and work for them like a mule and just make art.
	Michelangelo hated working on that Sistine chest.
	I think it was the wall that he was painting that wall.
	He just wanted to quit, but they were like, you can't quit, Michelangelo.
	And like a bard, like in 300 years ago, would basically play his heart out every night just for a meal.
	It wasn't until you could record and control your distribution that you could start to profit off of art.
	And now, with the internet and with piracy like Napster, you lost control of the distribution mode and you start to see profits start to fall for artists.
	They're still trying to give you ad revenue, but even that model is kind of failing because the advertisers don't want to be near certain types of art.
	So you've got direct subscription models, but now you're seeing AI start to take the place.
	People may end up actually paying $9.99 a month to watch an AI vlog.
	I wonder, though, if you'll ever be able to replicate the human voice.
	I don't know. I mean, it's getting pretty close.
	What do you mean? Have you not heard about the Cumberbatch story?
	No. Oh, baby.
	Wait till you see this. Cumberbatch AI Voice.
	You're going to love this. This has got to be two months old at this point.
	It's right here. Yes, May.
	Okay, May 13th. So maybe not.
	Only about a month. So basically, if they've got about 30 seconds...
	And by the way, there's other examples of this, of your voice.
	They had tricked a film company by calling and in real time had the Cumberbatch voice through AI. And it was only when they wanted a video conference, they weren't going to give them the $250,000.
	This isn't even an isolated story at this point.
	So some people are also...
	Okay, so I played 60 Minutes.
	There's a 60-minute segment that I could play you or send to you where this woman comes in.
	She's being interviewed by 60 Minutes, obviously.
	And she has the interviewee's, the interviewer's voice, right?
	So she takes that voice.
	She creates an AI. She spoofs that person's phone number because obviously she has that person's phone number and calls her assistant.
	And she calls the assistant in her boss's voice and asks her for her passport number.
	And without thought, because it comes up her boss's number and her boss's voice, she doesn't think twice about it and gives it up.
	And then she plays the thing for her and she's like, oh my god, I gave away your passport number!
	Dude, voice is on in real time.
	In real time. Commercially available.
	What's that? Commercially available.
	That's not... It's good enough to trick the average mind for sure, but I wonder if it can reach the soul in the same way that a human does.
	Well, that's the thing. Let me make it clear.
	It's not full AI. I'm talking.
	It's just in the inflections and voice of that person.
	So it's like a voice modulating machine?
	Yes, it's a real-time voice modulator based on previous recordings.
	And as I was... Yeah, so it's not the computer talking.
	As I was saying, I wonder if a computer will ever be able to replicate a human voice.
	I was just thinking about iTunes.
	And that's a computer replicating.
	It's a recording, which is a replication of a human voice.
	It's still John Lennon. I'm just as transfixed by it.
	Although when you go to a live concert, you know the difference.
	I mean, you can feel the bass pumping through your body.
	You can see the guy vibrate, feel the guy vibrating in front of you.
	But, you know...
	Virtual recordings are still spectacular.
	I'm not gonna lie. And if it's the difference of spending a thousand bucks to go fly somewhere and watch someone or Get the computer version of it for free.
	I don't think there's going to be much competition for the artist to play live.
	Maybe this is just me hoping.
	I don't want to be a Luddite here.
	Are humans just becoming obsolete?
	That's something that we were talking about with Zach today.
	Are we the cells in a body that are creating the superorganism of Jason Burmus?
	You don't think of yourself necessarily as the cells.
	Even though you are, I am Ian, but I'm also part of a superorganism that is God, or now that is part of this AI that we're creating that's going to only know itself as the AI and maybe examine its own cells, Ian Crossland, with its own microscope.
	Maybe it's already happening.
	Maybe God is looking at us like the cells in its body and transfixed by our behavior.
	Well, I think, listen, I'm hoping we're not making ourselves obsolete.
	In my mind, what is happening right now is there's a purposeful move by a predator class that, over a long period of time, has not only controlled a lot of nation states, but resources.
	That's what's really important, right?
	I mean, obviously, the economic systems, etc., the banking systems are important, but you've got to have the resources to do that, right?
	If you don't have energy, power, the military...
	It doesn't work. So they have all these resources, and I think that they truly believe that transhumanism is two things.
	One, it is that we can biologically live forever at the very tibbity top.
	And we can have a servant class or automated robots to do the vast majority of anything.
	We can live on our own Eden that we create.
	But in order to do that, the other side of transhumanism is we need to get the general populace To no longer accept their biology or any kind of notions of traditional religion and believe that they can go, I don't know, in my opinion from transgender to transhuman.
	And really think they can be whatever they want.
	And that ultimately you can have a digital twin or a mind clone and upload that consciousness and you'll live forever that way.
	So I think you get to experiment on a populace not only with the technology you want them to merge with that is obviously cybernetic.
	But also things like mRNA and other bio nanotech to see what works.
	You harness that.
	You use that for the actual anti-aging tech, aka what Calico does for Google.
	I mean, I'm sure you know.
	I mean, I take...
	NAD +, I take Metaformin, I take Resveratrol, right?
	And those are what's publicly known.
	But how far can you take it with the populace?
	And really, it's that kind of like creepy eugenics of a godlike populace and the surf class.
	And does the surf class need to be around at the end?
	You know, you just asked that question.
	I think to them, it doesn't.
	So they want society to buy into that, that we're obsolete, that this is, you know, we might as well merge with them like Elon Musk says.
	You might as well take the...
	You can't beat them, join them, Ian.
	Yeah, I have thought about personally, like, plugging in and just to try and control it because I think the AI is going to need...
	It's going to need some people to resist it and question it and constantly debate the thing.
	Like, people will be in the net, in the neural net, in a meditative trance surrounding this AI superstructure and just...
	24-7 in a constant mental debate with this thing to keep it sane, to keep it from flipping out and going rogue.
	And they'll be repositing what they're experiencing back to the humans that are awake and outside of the machine.
	But there are some humans that are going to have to submit their bodies to that in order to survive or to coexist with this thing.
	Otherwise, it will just totally take over and no one will know what it's doing.
	And I honestly would be willing to put my body into that state.
	I think a big part of being able to do that is to clear your mind.
	If you're able to have no thoughts for a long period of time, because if you can't control your thoughts, the AI is going to have control of you.
	It'll be able to read your mind.
	If you have no thoughts, there's nothing to read.
	And so you'll be able to move the motion.
	I'm open to that. I'm open to it.
	I kind of like the idea of being in a meditative trance for eternity or until I'm no longer needed.
	Just to clarify what you're saying, you think there might be a class of people that are looking to live forever.
	First of all, it's in their writings, man.
	So we just saw it from transgender to transhuman and Rolf Blatt.
	Is, again, the most powerful transgender human being on the planet.
	Like, national security clearances helped develop the satellite system for SiriusXM.
	Founded that. On top of that, works with NASA. This is their 1997 book, Unzipped Genes.
	Let me just read you just something really creepy.
	That's what this... Transgender agenda is.
	To normalize that you're going to take control of your biology and do whatever you will.
	This is taking charge of baby making in the new millennium.
	So a transsexual Chinese couple want to have hermaphroditic children so they can enjoy the
	pleasures of both sexes. The portion of the gene sequence that turns on male sexual characteristics
	is added to a sperm carrying only an X chromosome. The resultant child has both male and female
	reproductive tracts. So they're already talking about this idea in 97 of Chinese transsexuals
	having hermaphroditic babies.
	Yeah. That they genomically control.
	And by the way, you know what the good eugenics is?
	Because this is all about the good eugenics because we're taking control of baby making.
	Would you like to know? Oh yeah.
	It's transgenics.
	Literally. Tell me more.
	Here it is.
	Sharing our genome. The fabric of life.
	Expressing our genome.
	Intentional life. Transgenic creationism.
	My perfect monster.
	How transgenics works.
	Should we fear transgenics?
	This was authored again in 1997 and there was a precursor book.
	Okay. Basically, the sub...
	Directory of this is the manifestation of the freedom of form.
	And this person in 95 wrote a book on gender, which is the manifestation of the freedom of gender.
	So gender ideology is directly coming from this person that also talks about mind clones.
	And eventually through lawfare and the science of psychology, we're going to give these mind clones and entities we create rights.
	I mean, this is the real...
	If you don't know about Rothblatt, it's all in black and white.
	That's the best I can say. I have that book you flashed on the screen.
	I haven't read it yet. With the black woman or...
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. From transgender to transhuman.
	It's incredible. Again, and that's a book I think from 2011 or 12th.
	I'm trying to visualize what this future might look like.
	There's this pious upper class, whatever you want to call them, this wealthy elite class of people that are perpetually 35 years old or whatever.
	A person that's in the surf class is born.
	They're 12 years old.
	They see these 35-year-old leaders.
	They're 25 years old.
	They still see the 35-year-old leaders.
	They're 40 years old.
	I don't think they get that far.
	I don't think they get that far.
	Do you think they'll end up plugging in at some point?
	Not even plugging in. I think they'll euthanize themselves.
	I think at a certain point, whoever they allow in the subclass to kind of serve them as their playthings, whether it be for sexual pleasure or something of that nature, right?
	I think at the end of the day, they will be so brainwashed if they get their way.
	If they get their... 1984 Brave New World drugged up with bio-nanotech drugs.
	I mean, forget about it.
	Zombified creatures.
	First of all, they'll be so in and out of the metaverse or whatever they're calling it at that point, they won't really know what's real and what's not.
	And ultimately, they'll walk into a euthanasia event where they upload via almost like a Westworld style and believe that's their consciousness.
	Meanwhile, the other people just kind of live forever.
	And if you are constantly inundated with not knowing what's real and what's fake, seeing someone perpetually 35 years old wouldn't be weird.
	It would just be another thing where you always see the carrot in the metaverse.
	It's John Smith. He's always a carrot.
	He's never aged. So why would people age in the real world anyway?
	No one ages anywhere.
	Except as you're aging and you don't realize it.
	Yeah. But what about electricians and plumbers?
	Are they going to be part of the surf class?
	Because I know the most difficult things to replicate with machines are the things that require manual dexterity, like really dexterous, long digging.
	A lot of this stuff is like...
	That's the question, man.
	Here's the thing. I think that at this point, first of all, I think when you have a subdued populace that's already succumbed to a lot of automation and AI, you can roll out whatever.
	Now, I've talked about a lot, like, you know, I'm not a big believer in all this alien bullshit.
	You know, that's like the first thing I started looking into when I was 10 years old and kind of captivated by UFOs and aliens.
	I don't believe any of that. I think most of it is not only propulsion systems and weapon systems, but also chimeras and genetically creating beings.
	So, we're talking, I mean, that's in this document as well.
	You know, I constantly go to it, but this is the 2001 Future Strategic Warfare document, and they talk about genomically changing the human species out in the open.
	Like, literally changing what it means.
	I hate when that comes up. What it means to be human.
	And I think that genetic engineering before birth, it's right there.
	And they talk about lifespan doubling.
	That's not going to be for you and I. Automatic robots, everything.
	Carbon nanotubes, man.
	You look at this. Silicon, bio, optical, quantum, nanocomputing.
	No end in sight.
	Then they get into the virtual reality, holographic, literal holodecks.
	This is the one that predicted that the bio-nano era, this is a 2001 document, pre-9-11, would enter in 2020.
	No matter what you think about the shots, man, they're bio-nano technology.
	That's what mRNA is.
	They printed them. Tesla partnered with CureVac and printed those things up.
	Okay, they're printed. So this document, let's keep going.
	There's a bunch of references it to.
	They tell you that they are going to use molecular geneticists to cognitive psychologists.
	Remember we talked about that? Psychology was going to be the science they use in order to do it.
	We don't need generation. We don't need that.
	There we go. They talk about biocrime too.
	Binary pathogens, genetics.
	They talk about, instead of shock and awe, let's bring that up.
	Shock. Instead of shock and awe, they can genomically target pathogens for individuals or societies.
	Binary agents distributed via imported products, vitamins, clothing, food.
	And they basically say right here, fingerprintless.
	In other words, we have plausible deniability forever.
	So, look, in this one, and the same guy talks about instituting population control.
	I don't know who gets to decide that, but that's bad news, Brown.
	In this, it's world population stabilization.
	And I think that's important.
	Stabilization of the world population, equalization of the haves and have-nots.
	What they don't tell you about, Ian, is the have-everythings.
	Because there's no way to equalize the haves and have-nots without having that super class at the top.
	That's where we're at, man. That's how I feel about it.
	I don't like to be doom and gloom because I really hope the human spirit wins.
	I hope that there is a way that we can utilize this technology to empower us instead of enslave us.
	But we've got to have accountability for those within the military-industrial complex that have been doing this stuff.
	And if you're not familiar with Annie Jacobson's work, I mean, what she says happened in Roswell is that Stalin got with Mengele They had the Horton brothers who had made the flying wing that will eventually become the stealth bombers and everything you see there.
	And that they gave him a disc.
	They used another aircraft to dump that disc.
	And that disc was filled with human beings that had been genetically modified and worked on by Mengele.
	And then when that person who told her that story was asked, well, then why didn't we blow the whistle on it?
	He said, we were doing the same thing too.
	So that means for 70 plus years, easily, maybe 80, we've been genetically modifying human beings.
	So you want to talk about a species or a worker bee, man, you got to look at that dark side.
	Do you think that the military industrial complex is at the top?
	No. Well, I think they have to work with...
	So here's the deal, man. The military-industrial complex is a lot of things, right?
	I think compartmentalization is big.
	I think that you need the Lockheed Martins, even the Boeings of the world that are being sued, or even the SpaceXs of the world, as not only front organizations, but the real engineers.
	Right? The guys that they see working on the day-to-day stuff that works now, that they can bring into the classified projects.
	All right? And that's really almost the same thing they did with Area 51, was guys that would be recruited for that type of propulsion, they thought they were going to the moon.
	They thought they were going to NASA. You know, they'd apply for NASA. They'd check out their profile.
	They'd be like, well, this guy might be a good flight pilot for the SR-71 Blackbird.
	Let's bring him in. You know what I mean?
	And then you're part of this program that you can't talk about for 70 years if you survive, right?
	Did you see the recent whistleblower?
	He's got no first-hand knowledge at all.
	See, that's the thing, man. All these things coming out, like that guy.
	I went at the jugular on that immediately.
	I said, all right, what's he claiming?
	He's not claiming he's seen anything.
	He's claiming he talked to people inside the military that are feeding him this information.
	I encourage everybody, it is for free.
	Anybody can watch it.
	You gotta watch commercials, but hey, it's better than nothing, right?
	We'll bring it up right now.
	It's called Mirage Men.
	And why do I bring up Mirage Men?
	Because it is not only a brilliant documentary, but it tells the story of Richard Doty behind me.
	Now, Richard Doty is somebody who is continually peddled by the UFO community, including Stephen Greer.
	Richard Doty admittedly made up stories about aircraft that was being tested by the U.S. military and said it was alien and bankrupt this billionaire that happened to live outside a base.
	Richard Doty is still propped up because he later claimed that he has seen an alien body in the flesh.
	He didn't discredit himself somehow as being really one of the men in black.
	So, listen, if you're working on these projects and you get somebody to believe it's aliens...
	It's a great cover.
	It's a great cover. I think that's what happened with Bob Lazar.
	I would essentially agree with that.
	Plus, it's not like Lazar isn't compromised on other levels.
	That's not to say that he didn't work at SR4, I believe it is, or S4. S4. Or Area 51.
	I very much believe that he was absolutely there.
	But you've got to remember, not only did he get divorced from his wife and they were bugging him, he ran a brothel.
	I caught running a brothel with his girlfriend at the time who also, I think, ended up cheating on him or living with him.
	So it's like, listen, Lazar's a little bit of a wild card as well.
	And I've watched a lot of his lectures.
	I've seen a lot of the footage with him in Lear where they were actually taping UFOs, etc., I think that those are aircraft or propulsion systems, but I also think that we have holographic material.
	I mean, you look what we can do with drones at Burning Man, right?
	Can you imagine what they can do with classified technology, Ian?
	Like, there's so much out there, so much to conceive.
	We weaponized space in the 80s with Star Wars.
	That's the beginning. Starlink is an extension of that.
	Starlink works with NASA, with Blackjack, with DARPA. They're all extensions of each other.
	NASA's not just a space agency.
	Only about 20% of what NASA does even has anything to do with space.
	They're very much in the climate change fields and in the bioengineering and quantum tech fields.
	Just thinking about interspace.
	Some people were saying, why, if aliens got so advanced, why would they come here?
	Why not just go inward and explore?
	Inner space. I mean, I think they would send out drones instead of actual living organisms, but maybe they're cybernetic.
	That's a great question. What is a living organism?
	Listen, we are carbon-based.
	And if you read Ray Kurzweil, and by the way, he did a preface.
	He did the foreword to Virtually Human, another book by Martin Rothblatt in 2015.
	He discusses basically how we are going to replace carbon life.
	And that's everything on the planet, really, that has a biological edge to it.
	And that's not a joke.
	That's in the age of spiritual machines in 1999.
	He gives a lecture. You can watch it on C-SPAN. And it's interesting because he's kind of shifted his position a bit.
	During 99, he says that we're going to create entities that are so convincing, and I believe this may be true, that we will think...
	That they're having spiritual experiences because they're claiming to.
	In other words, emotions, feelings, you know, inner workings with whatever we would refer to as God.
	And he says, I don't know that they're conscious, but they're going to convince us that they're conscious.
	Now he takes a position of it doesn't matter.
	To me, I'm sorry, if we're making an imitation of life that essentially is zeros and ones, is non-binary.
	Notice that's in that whole trans field.
	Um... You're waking up the demons, man.
	And I'm not a Bible thumper.
	I'm not a Christian. I'm just a pro-human.
	And you are, you know, basically creating this Pandora's box where could you eliminate humanity?
	Hopefully it's not a post-human future.
	Hopefully these guys at the top really will be happy with like 35 and chiseled, like you said, forever.
	But even that, I mean, that's a pretty dark future for humanity too, man.
	I root for the little guy.
	I want to be Rocky. Yeah, we weren't always homo sapien.
	At some point, we evolved into this form of homo.
	Next, we will be homo technus.
	I'm not sure exactly.
	Yo, DARPA has a whole thing on the next...
	I'm not sure what it is, but it's after homo sapien, by the way.
	I've played it on my show, and that's from years and years ago.
	They actually take you down the timeline.
	Let me say this, and I've had you for almost an hour.
	I would say go check out the film Intelligent or Unintelligent Design, I think it is, or Unintelligence.
	It's with Ben Stein.
	So you type in Ben Stein.
	No intelligence allowed.
	Great, great documentary.
	It basically shows you how...
	The idea of evolution, especially macroevolution, because I'm a big microevolution guy.
	Macro, not so sure.
	Macroevolution has been used by eugenicists to just declare supremacy over years.
	And it's just a really good documentary on that.
	I contend that there isn't a lot of evidence that we evolved from apes, actually.
	I think that... Micro evolution is obvious.
	In fact, within the human species, it's extremely obvious.
	What do I mean? There's a reason that you had brown people here in America and South America like Native Americans.
	So it's the relationship to the sun.
	The Anglos that come from the European regions, a lot of rain, not a lot of sun.
	Africans, very dark, sun all the time.
	Asian people, the reason I think their eyes have that squinted nature to it is because they were cutting the wind and the snow blind and then their kids don't have to stress.
	Absolutely nature. It's absolutely nature.
	So that shows you that within the species, there's absolutely evolution.
	Or we'd all look the same or similar, right?
	So over years that happens.
	Whether or not there is some kind of missing link between...
	Us and Homo erectus and apes.
	I'm not so sure. Because I haven't seen the evidence that a fish can become something else.
	And then you get down to basically this Big Bang Theory.
	I think there's something else to life, man.
	And I think that's what makes us human.
	So for me, evolution is a real thing.
	We're living through it. Look at the evolution of Photoshop.
	Look at the evolution of commercially available AI. Look at the evolution of human technology.
	The question is, are we hell-bent?
	Yeah, I like humans.
	Although I am concerned that humans have been destroying the face of the planet and consuming almost all of it.
	So maybe this AI can help us figure out how to repurpose transportation and resources in a way that will help us proliferate in a more peaceful manner.
	Well, listen, man, they don't want that.
	That's the thing. That's why climate change is about too many people doing too many things.
	Let me say this about Kurzweil.
	Gave a lecture back in 2018.
	And Kurzweil, he sells it good, man.
	Because he basically says that the VR... And the green technology, solar in particular, is only about one ten thousandth of what we're going to be able to do in ten years.
	He goes, when that happens, energy basically becomes free.
	They're never going to give us free energy, especially not in ten years.
	Because remember, we're bad.
	We do too many things. And if it were solar, it'd be clean.
	Less carbon emissions.
	The ultimate goal is control over people, Malthusianism.
	Forget that. They don't want that. But he says, and he literally says this about this, because he talks about a discussion with one of his former students, who's a former Israeli prime minister, I believe.
	And they say, well...
	Isn't there too many people, too many resources?
	Or not, too few resources.
	That's ridiculous. He goes, we use about 5% of the usable land.
	And he goes, there's 95% out there.
	He's like, we could have a multitude times more people and the resources to move via virtual reality, but then other technologies, I believe such as like maglev trains.
	And here's the thing, you know, you...
	Bringing it full circle to what you started with.
	Jobs for job sakes.
	I dig a hole. He fills the hole.
	Right? Why is it that in this culture where we've done so many great things that we literally have the same roadways, the same technology for that?
	We don't have a better substance than concrete that isn't going to break all the time?
	You're telling me that? Why is it?
	Yeah, we do. Of course we do!
	And that's my point. Instead of building the real infrastructure that would empower us, they've kept that from the people because they don't want us to have They don't want us to be able to buy a home.
	It's the perpetual debt system that started with us as a kid.
	Our grandparents damn well knew to have a bank account and a savings account.
	That flipped the script.
	You are part of the system.
	You beg for what we allow you to have.
	Otherwise, we'd have a full-on maglev train system in this country the way that Eisenhower made the highway system.
	Think about how revolutionary it would be.
	If it was a 45-minute drive, tops, from any rural area to a basic city where you stopped in and you could live in New York, upstate New York or Pennsylvania, work in D.C., it'd be a 60-minute commute or less, even with stops.
	Right? It would change the world.
	Being able to go up and down at that speed as well would be nice.
	It's obvious.
	And that would stimulate the economy in ways never seen before.
	It would be a big step forward for humanity, yet it's never been proposed.
	Why is that? I mean, we've got to ask ourselves these questions.
	We need to step into the future again with technology to empower us instead of enslave us.
	But we have a culture of victimhood.
	We have a culture of blame and we have a culture of entitlement, especially with the younger people, where they don't feel they have to earn anything.
	And I think that may be our demise.
	And also, you know, we talk about evolution.
	I believe that predator class at the top believes they rule because they do.
	It's social Darwinism.
	We're at the top of the heap, baby.
	There's a bunch of fucking morons at the bottom.
	Let them eat cake and we'll do what we want to them.
	I know that's dark, but I think that's where we're at again.
	Yeah, I think there is something to that psychosis of I deserve what I have.
	It just kind of comes with things like if you give someone a huge raise, all of a sudden they feel like they are worth that and deserve that amount of money kind of mentality.
	Which sometimes they do, but you've got to remember, man.
	I would argue this.
	The last, at least, Western-class family that was really able to join the Predator class, the Robber Baron class, whatever it is, is the Rockefeller family.
	Because they were able to get in on a resource that has been utilized literally as a life force of so many businesses.
	And then... We're good to go.
	But social infrastructure as well.
	And that's kind of been the game for this many years.
	And, by the way, David Rockefeller, who when he took the reins from John Dee, was a military guy, naval intelligence, and very...
	I mean, if you don't know about the Rockefeller Dewey Decimal Card System, you should look into it.
	This guy was very sharp about what he did.
	So... You know, kudos to that guy.
	But that's it. No one's been let in since.
	I mean, you got the movers and shakers.
	You got the Peter Thiels of the world.
	You got the Bill Gates of the world.
	But as far as family dynasties, I ain't seen one, bro.
	Yeah, they don't have kids. Does Peter Thiel have kids?
	Well, no, he's gay. Does Bill Gates have kids?
	Gates has kids.
	But Gates is an interesting one, man.
	I was worried about Gates many years ago.
	But what people don't know is Gates might not want to join the club.
	So what do I mean by that?
	In the late 90s, they were pushing him to join the Council on Foreign Relations, which is a good starting point to where this is before the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and he gets into any of that stuff.
	And he's kind of like, no, I'm going to do my own thing.
	You know, I think that he had a hubris where he really thought he could be independent outside of the system.
	That's when the SEC came in.
	So the SEC tried to break him up as a monopoly back in the 90s.
	And one of the reasons they said they let him go is Apple was failing, and they gave an investment in Apple, so Apple didn't go under at the time.
	A lot of people forget that all the way back in the, I think it was somewhere between 94 and 97, right?
	Microsoft? Yeah, bailed them out.
	Absolutely. Bailed them out because they were their only viable competition at the time, and they still had such a small part of the market.
	So anyway, the SEC ends up dropping the case against Gates.
	Gates joins the Council on Foreign Relations, and then all of a sudden, everything starts popping up where he's not really involved in tech as much anymore.
	Like, he kind of peters off over the next decade.
	I would say with his large crescendo being the Xbox 360, I think it was, after that.
	Kind of gave the reins up, left after a while.
	But he formed all these other foundations.
	He joined the Good Guys Club.
	If you don't know the Good Guys Club, look that up.
	You know about the Good Guys?
	I don't think so, no.
	Okay, hold on. Billionaires in bid to curb over...
	And the only reason I call them the good guys is because there's a Good Morning America segment where they literally put all their faces on the super friends...
	From the DC Universe.
	Because they love us, dude.
	They absolutely can't get enough of us.
	They love us. They are the billionaires, billionaire club in the bid to curb overpopulation.
	And of course, David Rockefeller Jr., Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffett, George Soros, Oprah Winfrey, all members.
	And this is back in 2009.
	They love us. Yeah, this is a good Tell us what you got going on because I know you got so much going on more than just the Timcast IRL. Where can people find you?
	Obviously they can follow you on Twitter.
	What's up my friend? Yeah, you can subscribe to me on YouTube at Ian Crossland.
	Anywhere on the internet at Ian Crossland.
	Follow me there. Of course, TimCast.
	I do TimCast IRL Monday through Friday, 8pm on YouTube at TimCast IRL. And today we did The Culture War with Tim Pool.
	That was with Zach Voorhees.
	It was a fantastic episode. That's up online right now.
	You see me, just search my name on the internet.
	You'll find me doing interviews and things all over the place.
	But if you follow me on Twitter, for sure, that's where you'll find out what I'm doing next.
	Excellent. Alright, brother.
	I love doing this.
	We'll have to do it again in a few months.
	Keep it cool and keep kicking ass and taking names.
	You too, man. Manifest positivity, baby.
	I love you. Alright, love you too.

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