Bilderberg 2023 EXPOSED By The Mainstream Media? Charlie Skelton Speaks
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Hey everybody, Jason Burmes here, and my next guest is one I really, really can't wait to talk to.
I haven't been able to have a discussion with this gentleman for several years now, at least not in this scope.
I don't believe I got him last year for Bilderberg 2022, which was one of the least covered Bilderbergs ever.
There was some sort of a little bit of a revival with a little bit of mainstream media coverage surrounding Sam Altman and AI prior to what I think is the definitive 2023 Bilderberg piece, and that is at Bilderberg's big wig bash.
Two things are certainly guaranteed.
They are Kissinger and Secrecy.
He's a comedy writer, but at times he exposes the global elite.
His name is Charlie Skelton.
Charlie, how are you, sir?
I'm very well.
Hello, Jason.
Well, my friend, it has been a long and bumpy ride, to say the least, on this Bilderberg experience.
During the week of Bilderberg, when again, it wasn't officially announced until, I believe, the Wednesday before, maybe the Thursday they started to arrive.
You had a beat on this thing.
You know, you knew it was going to be in Lisbon, Portugal almost two or three months beforehand.
Isn't that right?
Yeah, well, there was some digging that was done by a Portuguese magazine, news magazine called Taliqual, and they discovered that the former president of the European Commission, Barroso, had set up a company with his other Portuguese co-host.
The company was called something like Conference 2023 or something like that.
Anyway, they worked out that this looked like Bilderberg, and then we did some digging around hotels and probably narrowed it down and then found what we thought was the location, which was this palace, the Pistana Palace, which is a great location for them.
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Very secluded, weirdly, though it's quite central Lisbon.
And they met there and had their annual get-together.
But as you said, a bit more coverage this year than last year, which was really just tumbleweed.
It was awful last year.
And I felt, see, I got myself into one of these situations where week after week, I was saying, hey, does anybody have this thing?
Does anybody have this thing?
Nobody got at me.
The ironic thing is my current girlfriend lives right outside of Washington, D.C.
And I've been going back and forth there all over.
I happen to have flown her and her child out here to Iowa while it happened.
So I would have been a right bastard if out of nowhere I was like, ah, yeah, I got to go to D.C.
And having it in D.C., after the COVID-19 44 madness, where essentially they took a two-year hiatus, Charlie, it was, I thought it was ballsy and it was unexpected.
And I know that it also caught you off guard because I don't believe you were able to make it either.
I think the only two journalists, alternative media journalists, would be Max Blumenthal from the Gray Zone and Frank's Analysis that showed up last year.
Very sparse coverage.
We get to this year.
They're outside of the United States.
There are, you know, a few United States players in there, obviously, every year.
But in 2022, you saw Kristen Cinema, right?
Kristen Cinema all of a sudden becomes this independent darling, and I feel is pushed by the establishment more.
Stacey Abrams is there this year again, you know, and she's not a steering member.
She doesn't hold office.
What are your kind of thoughts of those peripheral characters that come in?
Well, some of them, you know, you can see them, their careers just being just, you know, they've obviously entered a, a kind of sphere of influence where they're the people there like them, they get, but they get back, invited back, they've obviously done, said some things that were right and um, and this is obviously a bit of a, a career boost for anyone in the political or you know that, that kind of geopolitical um, realm and they you know,
Bilderberg has a reputation for kind of talent spotting and it's kind of a bit of both.
It's like yes they, they bring on the people that they like and and they're, you know it's all done through personal contacts.
It's a big networking event.
So, apart from anything else and um yeah, so you get the, you get people coming back and coming back and then they get often get top jobs and uh, and you can see some younger politicians turning up and you can see that possibly the um, the thumbs up from the Eye Of Sauron is uh, is being given to them, and but there's also another thing, which is there's the sort of peripheral meetings that take place around the the the,
the Central Um conference, which has its participant list and has its activities, but there's, you know, diplomatic meetings taking place around it and you can, you can get a sense of those and I think those are coming a little bit more clear as uh, as we, as we start to see some of the characters that were around it.
For example, I mean the most from this this year um uh, Josh Friedman, who's?
Uh, he was actually there at Washington.
He was another character, Freedman report, who got, got there last year and and this year he, he noticed that um, the former prime minister of Sweden was talking to a guy called Oscar Strensem, who's uh, Sweden's chief negotiator for um uh uh, for for the accession to NATO um, and obviously the secretary general of NATO was there um, Jens Stolzenberg, he generally goes and uh, so you've got this guy and he goes in.
He's got a lanyard, not not a white lanyard, you know he's not a, he's not a participant, but he's there he's, he's got accreditation with.
There's a photo of him on the balcony of the of the party on saturday night, which was thrown by the, I think the president of of Portugal um, and uh, he's standing next to the supreme allied commander Europe, who's a top Us general Christopheri, and so he's there with his you know accreditation.
He's part of the conference in a sense, but not part of the the of the um meetings.
So you've got these diplomatic meetings that take place around it and uh, and these are, for example, the Canadian deputy prime minister, Christia Freeland, turned up with quite a large staff of of aides and advisors, you know um, and the line that's held by Bilderberg itself is that people attend as individuals and that they're not constrained.
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I think there's various phrases they use something like they're not constrained by their office or what have you, and And this is something which I'm pushing back against, because I think it's completely and obviously not the case.
And I remember back in 2011 ringing up the UK Treasury and asking about George Osborne, who was then the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and ringing them up and saying, in what capacity is George Osborne attending this conference in Sam Ritz?
And eventually at the end of the day, they said, yes, he's there as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
So these people are there in their roles and they are having diplomatic meetings.
And the fact that that's the case and the fact that there are so many politicians who are there and very, very senior politicians, the vice president of the European Parliament, you've got three prime ministers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
What on earth is happening with the fact that they're there and there's no press conference and no press oversight?
That to me is a thing which baffles me still.
You know, and the odd thing is, right, over the last decade plus, we've kind of forced their hand into having a website, into having an official list, for instance, AI, the banking system, China, energy transition.
Like you said, what's on the agenda?
But as you also stated, with AI at the top, for example, you have Sam Altman there, who's just testified before the U.S. government, alongside Eric Schmidt, who's a steering member.
Both of them taking somewhat different positions on AI.
Altman saying we need to halt it.
Schmidt saying, of course, we can't halt it.
China will get us.
China will beat us.
China will not halt it.
But at the same time, both of them kind of saying, hey, we need the government to regulate this.
And this isn't for the general public.
So they may be coming at different angles, really the same solution, government control.
You had DeepMind there.
You had Microsoft there on top of it.
And then you had somebody sneaking in the back door.
And I believe it was this individual, this new individual on the scene that got a picture of Yoval Noah Harari, who has obviously had a lot of attention thrown his way for some of the things he said over the last several years about transhumanism in conjunction with the World Economic Forum.
And to have someone like that not be on the list, obviously attending the conference in some capacity, whether it's side meetings or not, just shows you that they're not being open and honest, obviously.
And I think that you also highlighted in your Twitter feed, aside from Harari, there was a U.S. diplomat that came in, had all sorts of security.
We don't know who that U.S. diplomat is.
They were there for four to six hours holding these side meetings that you're discussing.
Yeah, on the subject of Harare, I don't know about that.
I think that may have been a coincidence.
You know, coincidences do happen.
I don't know.
Right, so I'm going to...
You're a better man than I. Harari shows up in Lisbon, Portugal the weekend of Bilderberg.
The top of the list is AI.
And I was just like, come on, man.
But you know what?
I'll be honest.
I think they would have just stuck him on the list if they'd have.
I don't think they, I don't think they'd be embarrassed about having him there.
I mean, they've got the president of the World Economic Forum there.
They've got two trustees of the World Economic Forum.
It's not like the World Economic Forum was underrepresented at Bilderberg this year.
I kind of think, and they've got loads of interesting AI characters.
You know, they've got like Demis Hasabis from DeepMind, Google Deep Mind, of course.
And they've had AI experts before.
I kind of think they'd have just put him on the list if he was there.
But To go back to AI generally, it's really fascinating to see that these people were testifying about regulation, and then they turn up at Bilderberg.
And then Sam Altman tweeted after Bilderberg, he said, been having some really interesting conversations about AI regulation in Europe.
And you've got what's interesting is it's not just the industry discussing it.
You've got actual regulators there.
You've got two EU commissioners there, extremely senior European policymakers, not to mention all of the various ministers from Europe.
And there was a huge amount of ministers this year, too, by the way, deputy and prime ministers all over the place.
Yeah, yeah.
It was thick with politicians.
Yeah, absolutely.
But from the US, interestingly, it was tended to be kind of National Security Council people.
But you had like the director of national intelligence, Alfred Haynes, there.
So you've got some very senior US, I don't know, you call them spooks, whatever.
Yeah, that's what you call it.
That's what I like to call them because they spooky.
Absolutely.
100%.
You have that Intel that we're supposed to trust, that nobody seems to trust anymore.
That's literally in headlines and covers here in the United States.
Intel community lied about Hunter Biden laptop.
But somehow these are the trustworthy people that are meeting with other power players behind closed doors, not in an official capacity, apparently.
And, you know, one of the other big observations is not that China is overly represented there, Russia is overly represented, but it didn't seem like BRICS was represented at all this year.
And, you know, in a year where obviously economic turmoil has hit a lot of the Western world, Europe, the United States in particular, people are struggling.
There is a movement away from the dollar as the world reserve currency.
And of course, the military conflict between Ukraine and Russia seems like a Western power play to me.
I mean, how do you feel about it?
Well, certainly you could see the focus again this year was Ukraine-Russia, I think.
And, you know, obviously AI, again, which is just, it's interesting to see how Bilderberg have really embraced technology and AI.
But as you say, just to go back, to pick someone like Eric Schmidt, he's someone that sits in that weird realm between government and intelligence and business.
And they kind of, when you get there, he sort of floats around.
He's on various like national commissions and defense boards and what have you.
And that's kind of how he's almost like an incarnation of Bilderberg in a way.
And he's like, he's sort of Henry Kissinger's chosen lieutenant, sort of heir apparent kind of thing.
And Kissinger is absolutely that.
He's that kind of person that's, you know, he's all things at once.
He's business, his intelligence, his politics.
And they're all, and it's all a kind of dark mishmash of stuff.
And you see that with Eric Schmidt.
And yeah, so what was interesting, again, I mentioned the Supreme Allied Commander Europe.
So you've got this, he's like NATO's number two military leader, and you've got the actual Secretary General of NATO there.
And, you know, they're there for quite a long time.
So the Secretary General of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, he keeps talking about the Vilnius summit that's coming up in July.
He's there for, that's one night.
It's two days across one night.
This is, you know, he's there for four days across three nights in Bilderberg.
You know, it's such a larger chunk of his diary.
You know, and there's a war on, right?
And he's taking that nine.
Is there?
I didn't notice the past year plus.
Like, exactly.
Thank you.
Continue.
And yeah, and him and with the Supreme Allied Command of Europe are there.
So I don't know what's taking place at Bilderberg that means that that chunk of time is valuable to them, but clearly something is.
And I think you'd have to say that the focus is on Ukraine-Russia.
And you look at the experts, they've brought in loads of experts, the kind of pet academics, which is another strand of Bilderberg that they bring in, that kind of give their briefings and what have you.
But something I wanted to talk about as well is you have all of that kind of stuff, right?
So the political, the geopolitical, the military stuff.
At the same time, and at the same conference, you have kind of shark-like Wall Street investors and hedge fund owners and big CEOs of, like, you've got the presidents of Golden Sachs there.
You've got this guy, Kenneth Griffin, who runs a thing called Citadel, which is a huge investment company.
And he's like America's 20-something richest man or whatever.
And then you've got people like Henry Kravis, who runs KKR, which is where Petraeus ended up.
And these people are always seeking strategic advantage for their investments.
And basically, they get to sit around and have the technology military strategy of the Transatlantic Alliance chewed over in front of them.
And they go, oh, great, this is handy.
I'm just going to move a few chips here, a few chips there, make a few more billion here, a few more billion there.
And yeah, so it strikes me as odd that you have these people, some of whom are just, there's no, they don't have any, anything there to do except make money.
Well, all right, you know, you talked about on one side, Eric Schmidt kind of being in this realm of pseudo-government, pseudo-tech, pseudo-business.
And, you know, he no longer sits on the board of Alphabet, the mother company of Google, and obviously YouTube and every other shell company they own, the Android operating system, just a massive conglomerate.
And they also have their government contracts, not just with NASA on quantum computing and intelligence, but well beyond that, you know, AI, all that stuff.
And that stuff I've covered forever.
But then the other side of the coin, the supposed like antithesis of an Eric Schmidt is a Peter Thiel, who has many of those same accolades.
In other words, he's Palantir.
He's Trump's ex-technology advisor.
He's in the business realm, the political realm, the Defense Department, and the Intel realm.
But unlike Schmidt, he's kind of like propped up by a lot of the conservative movement and even the alternative movement as sort of this libertarian.
But like you said, they all get to sit there, chew the fat.
And Peter Thiel is certainly somebody who likes to make money, Charlie.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, he turned up with Alex Karp, who's the CEO of Palantir.
I'm glad you mentioned them because Karp was talking before Bilderberg about how Palantir handles most of the targeting in the Ukraine war from the Allied perspective, the targeting of the forces, which is an extraordinary thing to say.
And then so you've got his company, which has got these huge military contracts and huge involvement in this war.
And he's there.
And both Alex Karp and Peter Thiel sit on the board of Bilderberg, the steering committee with Eric Schmidt.
And so it's pretty, and they're obviously big players in AI as well.
And I think, I mean, Alex Karp is a really interesting character.
He kind of goes on these rants sometimes and says, oh, basically he wanted to own the whole field of AI.
You know, he touched it.
That's in one of his investment calls.
And he kind of, but you can tell he has that belief.
And he's, yeah, he's a weird one because he turns, so he turns up with Peter Teal with these two of the biggest bodyguards I've ever seen in my life.
As he should.
As they should.
You know, I watched Karp give, I think, an hour-long speech or presentation.
He's being interviewed over at the World Economic Forum, right?
And kind of talking about the genesis of Palantir and what they do.
And, you know, he's very, very open about the fact that if you have some kind of a political ideology, no matter what that be, you probably shouldn't work for us.
He's like, probably shouldn't work at Palantir.
You know, so that shows you how apolitical or amoral a lot of these decisions are.
You know, they're an intelligence gathering service, essentially for the Five Eyes Alliance on some level.
We don't get access to the kind of information they're able to get access to.
And they also pose that plausible deniability barrier of whether the government itself is actually spying and collecting data or it's a third-party company and they're only accessing that whenever, even though they always have backdoor access.
But that kind of speaks to this global pseudo-techno-fascist society that Bilderberg are very much involved in creating.
Yeah, and don't forget Palantir is also operating in terms of big data gathering and analysis in other realms like health.
So you've got loads of UK health data and stuff like that.
And there's been an outcry about that.
So they're not just running a war.
They're also building a whole, they're helping to build the kind of surveillance state, really.
And not just them, you've got other, I can't remember if you mentioned the CEO of Microsoft.
Yes.
He's now, he's now joined the steering committee like a week ago.
So there's a Microsoft swap on Bilderberg steering committee between Craig Mundy, who was the first Silicon Valley guy there.
He was their chief technology officer or something.
He was very high up at Microsoft and he was like Bill Gates' right-hand guy.
And then he's been on the board of Bilderberg for decades, ages.
And now he's just swapped out with the CEO of Microsoft, Nadella.
And he, so he's, you can see Bilderberg is willing to sort of adapt and become utterly plugged into the very cutting edge of Silicon Valley tech, you know, by looking at the people that are on the board, you know, and the people they advise, which is, you know, it's sort of interesting.
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And you've also got like Kissinger, who his main concern, his whole concern now, I mean, he's 100 years old, but he's still theorizing about AI and writing about it, wrote a book with Eric Schmidt about it.
And one of the interesting things about it that he writes about because they're very conscious of the fact that, you know, he comes from a tradition of thinking about things of academia.
He's a Harvard academic and he's come through this world of think tanks.
You know, he was there at Bilderberg in 1957 for the first time, believe it or not.
And he was already running a kind of mini Bilderberg think tank at Harvard at the time, in the mid-50s.
And now he's got to a point where he knows that AI is doing all the thinking.
So you've got this thing, you've got Sam Altman there, who runs OpenAI, and they must know that they've built a thing which has sort of made Bilderberg redundant in a kind of way, which is so they pride themselves on having this time.
They make this whole sort of raison d'être of Bilderberg is that people have time to chew over these things over this period away from the cameras and the press, et cetera, et cetera.
But time is one thing that AI is compressed down for nothing.
If you use chat GPT, it's just like that.
You could say to it, okay, you could give it all of the training data from all of these academics that they invite and just churn out their opinion on a kind of version of their opinion on whatever.
So, you know, what I mean is they're in an odd situation where they're embraced, like so many fields, they're embracing the thing which is going to make them redundant.
Why would anyone bother holding a Bilderberg conference in five years' time?
Why?
I would say this.
The reason they're doing it, well, not only because the AI, in my opinion, is kind of garbage in, garbage out.
It's only able to work with what you put forward to it and what you program it with with the algorithm.
So let's say there is some secrecy or some information that the public is not privy to.
You can't enter that into the quote unquote AI.
And that's one of the reasons that you got to have narrative management.
And one of the things that we've yet to discuss is the fact that, you know, yourself and a handful of independent journalists, you mentioned Josh Friedman, Dan Dix on the scene.
And I believe his name is Frederico Duarte.
Was the other gentleman there?
Yeah, the Portuguese guy.
Yes.
That's about it.
And then a couple of mainstream articles, not really going in depth, and certainly not to the caliber of your work yet inside The Economist, Bloomberg, Axel Springer Media Group.
There's more media inside the Bilderberg group than actually cover it.
And then you've got, you know, you mentioned Harvard earlier.
You've got Oxford's Neil Ferguson, who's kind of like their Carol Quigley, right?
He's their historian.
He's openly talked about that.
And he has talked about these power networks, not just Bilderberg, which he attends, but other Anglo-American westernized power networks and how they work and how they do work behind the scenes.
So to me, you know, AI, look, it's here now.
It's commercialized.
I'm using it.
I'm using it in my thumbnails via Photoshop.
It's in the new beta.
It's going to be a tool we all have to either utilize to our advantage or really to our detriment, to our demise in a lot of fields.
And that's happening really, really quickly, Charlie.
So what are your thoughts on that?
The media management of the narrative and how Bilderberg's been involved that a long time.
But this year in particular, again, very heavy on power players.
The Atlantic would be another one that was in attendance.
Yeah, no, look, when I said why hold Bilderberg at all, you gave one very good answer, which is that, which is that kind of, you know, when you say narrative management, yeah, exactly, the kind of interface between these big columnists and editors, and there's loads on, there's loads of them here this year, like big editors.
And also, you know, media owners and operators.
So like Dauphner, who's Axel Springer, it's a huge German media company.
You've got even like, well, as you say, The Economist is there as usual.
The Financial Times is there, and the columnists go.
And Bloomberg, the editor-in-chief of Bloomberg is there.
And he's on the board of Bilderberg.
So totally, there's a lot of journalists there.
And yeah, which brings us back to one of the things I said at the beginning about it being a networking event.
It is in that sense.
It's kind of a hybrid of lots of things.
And it's having, it is having those people together and it's having them together physically.
Again, forget AI, forget all of that.
There is a value to having those people there physically in a room talking, chewing over, getting, you know, chewing over policy.
Not necessarily as, you know, they would insist we're not making policy decisions, but there's still huge strategic players there giving their vision of what's about to happen, whether it's in technology, regulation, industry, China, et cetera, et cetera, Ukraine.
Yeah, you've got all people, you've got everyone on the same page.
And these are the people producing the pages of the news, you know, around Europe and around America and North America.
And so, yeah, that's a huge part of it.
And the other side of that, obviously, is the presence of the politicians.
You can't, you have to have, you know, you have to have them there.
You've got to have that physical, you know, fleshy existence of this thing, which has, you know, the up-and-coming politicians, the big policymakers.
They've got to be there if it's going to be anything at all.
Yeah, it's not just a think tank in the sense of I'm going to report.
It is networking and it's people and its policy.
And as you say, it's narrative management.
So it's a lot of those things which involve people being together.
Yeah, and I think that, look, I value that more than anything.
I think that, you know, this is great that we're able to do this.
Technology is awesome.
I'm so glad I get to get you on the show.
But there is something very real and visceral about shaking Charlie Skelton's hand in person, about having a beer after covering event or having a meal with somebody.
It's called that human relationship.
And those are almost kind of like those sub-meetings that you talk about that could be invaluable that maybe weren't even on the schedule.
You know, maybe it was a couple guys meeting and passing, talking about a certain subject or a certain presenter, and then all of a sudden they're having a meeting, etc.
And that's a real thing.
And that is kind of like that invaluable human experience that you can't get over a Zoom meeting or a virtual conference, etc.
And it also is subject to really, in my opinion, old spycraft.
You know, you talk about Henry Kissinger.
Well, Kissinger and Associates, like you said, he's all things to all people.
And even, you know, his mentor in many ways, David Rockefeller, he had his own little intelligence network where he had a kind of Dewey decimal card system of people he met.
The Kissinger card, which is now publicly available, he makes note that he meets him, I believe, in the 54 Bilderberg meeting and is extremely impressed with him.
And he goes on to manage the Rockefeller Fund.
And obviously, Kissinger and David really did share a very similar vision publicly for decades and decades and decades.
I believe David made it all the way to either 99 or 100 at the Bilderberg meetings before he passed it 101.
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I don't know if he attended his last one.
Kissinger about to turn the big, he did turn the big 100 post-Bilderberg, literally turned 100, made it there.
And the really bizarre thing is, at least in the public arena, Kissinger seems to be the most reasonable with the Ukraine-Russia conflict, saying, hey, let's maybe pull back.
Let's maybe find a solution to this.
Whereas you're not seeing that anywhere in the mainstream.
And Kissinger actually got attacked on mainstream media for making such statements.
What are your kind of thoughts?
Do you think it's the twilight of his life and he's like, they've gone too far?
You know, it's that planet of the apes moment where he's like, damn you all to hell.
Or do you think it's just kind of an old man at the end of it, you know, at the end of the run to kind of save his legacy?
It's tough for me.
I think he's departed.
He's so big picture.
He's always just going, he's always just sitting back for me sort of in his godlike position and going, well, this, that, and, you know, moving these pieces around the board.
And, you know, so he's, he's so dispassionate in a way.
There's a really interesting interview.
with him done, God, when was it really quite early in the maybe early 70s by a journalist and it was where he talked about himself as a cowboy going into town.
It's a famous, oh, you should look it up.
If you look it up, him being a cowboy riding into town, he got mocked at the time for saying this about himself.
But one of the interesting things about that is that the person doing the interview talked about how completely cold he was and how his voice never changed and modulated.
And she had to check her, she kept having to check the recording device to see if it was just because it wasn't even moving.
It was like he was so cold.
And he has that kind of chilly dispassion, which he still talks about like someone, just before Bilderberg, he was asked on some CBS Sunday show, like about, they talked about, you know, the bombing of Cambodia.
Some people say he shouldn't have been on the show.
He's, you know, his blood on his hands, whatever.
And he, and he got, you know, you could tell he was bristling and annoyed, but the reason he, just, he sort of said they're just using emotion.
They're just, they're just playing with emotions.
And, you know, it's all about reason for him and this cold use of reason.
And I think that's why he's interested in AI apart from anything else, because he feels his own cold, brilliant, world-dominating rationality is slightly being, you know, he can see him being replaced.
He can see the enlightened, you know, they talk about the end of the age of enlightenment, him and Schmidt, and you can see that in him.
You know, he's spent his whole life playing checkers with the world.
And now, you know, there's this other new rationality appearing on the horizon.
He's going.
Kissingerbot is taking over is what you're telling me.
Kissingerbot is coming.
Forget about Chad GPT.
Forget about him.
You thought he was dispassionate.
Forget about the Kissinger head and Futurama.
I know they're redoing that series.
That's coming back.
No, it's Kissingerbot, the AI tool.
That's what we've all got to watch out for.
You know, you mentioned KKR.
You mentioned David Petraeus.
Petraeus used to be heavy on the Bilderberg scene, gotten a couple scandals here and there.
Haven't seen him as much.
What are your thoughts on him?
Because he was very much a global intelligence player and somebody you would think that would at least be advising some of the aspects of our military role with Ukraine.
Well, yeah, he hasn't been there for a little bit, but he was a big, yeah, he was a real feature of kind of Henry Kravis's, you know, I think he was running their, I can't remember what it called, KKR Global something or other.
But yeah, a big player at KKR.
But you've still got the, interestingly, so the current head of the CIA, William Burns, he was co-opted onto the Bilderberg steering committee shortly before being offered the job of CIA boss.
So he was on there for like a couple of months as a steering committee member and now has then quickly resigned.
But then he was there.
So he's an insider.
He's a member of Bilderberg, you know, officially, you know, he's a member of the steering committee and that they remain members of the actual inner circle.
And so you've got an inner circle Bilderberg guy running CIA right now.
So in a way, they don't need Petraeus.
They've got the first went last.
He went last year in Washington.
Oh, he wasn't last year in Washington?
He was there last year?
I think so.
But he wasn't there this year.
But, you know, as I said, the director of national intelligence was there.
And quite a few other kind of agency bosses.
And also, a couple of people that get overlooked are the, you know, the head of the French intelligence, foreign intelligence agency was there.
So you've got other intelligence people.
You've got Sir John Sawyers, who is.
If you look down the list, you've got to look some of these people.
They don't really say who they are.
It's like you've got Sir John Sawyers and he's listed as something like executive chairman of Newbury Newbridge Advisory, which is nothing.
That's his personal company.
He's a director of BP and the former head of MI6.
You know, he's got other more important accolades that got him into that private firm.
You know, you mentioned it.
I just want to say you've got Baroness Moyo.
So she's listed as a member of the House of Lords, but she's also a director of Chevron.
And then you've got Melody Hobson.
She's a director of Starbucks.
And I think she might be chairman of Starbucks now.
I'm not sure.
And the new CEO of Microsoft, he's also Satya Nadella.
He's also Starbucks.
So Starbucks has got a big presence at Lake Panante, a big presence at Bilderberg.
Well, that would explain the Starbucks trans commercial in India.
I'm not sure if you've seen that, but we did a highlight of that.
And, you know, this whole movement, in my opinion, as you know, I'm sure that you see my feed every once in a while.
At the end of the day, it's not just global governance.
It's not just an AI push.
It's a push for transhumanism.
It's a push for, you talked about going under the skin, that fourth industrial revolution that Klaus Nuchwab and the gang have now made famous.
And you spoke about CARP and biomedical surveillance and all these things.
You talk about intelligence agencies.
I still remember in 2020 when Mike Pompeo was followed by C-SPAN as he went to get on a boat to speak at a castle in front of all these people from Bilderberg.
And meanwhile, he's Secretary of State at the time, former head of the CIA, and also on that boat, Jared Kush Kushner.
So the Trump administration, Peter Theo will be another one, was heavily represented during those years at Bilderberg, right up until 2020, prior to, you know, the actually, yeah, it must have been, it must have been 2019 that happened because they didn't have it in 2020 or 2021, right?
That's right, yeah.
Yeah.
So this is the 2019 one.
So I was there at the, what, the 2017 or 2018, they were in Chantilly, Virginia again, right?
I was there then.
And the Trump administration just getting in, I remember when they just got in, they were highly represented there.
So the insiders are always there no matter the administration.
That's something that should be of interest to people.
And they move along.
Like Michael Pompeo is not going anywhere.
He's going to be spooked central somewhere, whether it's a private company or a government role in the future.
You know, he even threw out running for the presidency.
So now in retrospect, with all the censorship, with all the madness, with Trump running again, what's kind of your viewpoint being across the sea and watching this movement behind Trump, watching the truth movement, if you will, kind of sex of it shift behind Trump and almost become delusional in the sense that anybody with him must be a white hat and working for the good guys.
And not that, you know, that was in many ways with the Boltons and the Mattises of the world, just another sect of the establishment.
Unless that's not how you feel.
I don't know.
I wonder.
Well, I mean, look, this is well beyond what I could talk with any meaningfulness about.
But they did discuss the U.S. leadership at this Bilderberg.
And, you know, you've got people that are involved in politics like Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt.
You've got that kind of, you know, they've come out in different ways and different sides, you know.
And there is a kind of Bilderberg is kind of famously bilateral.
It doesn't go, we're a conservative think tank or we're a liberal think tank.
It's kind of always has that distance and takes people from both sides and has a look at the whole thing and doesn't doesn't commit itself to a particular political vision in that sense.
It might have bigger visions that it kind of gets behind.
But, you know, like I would say, you know, Europe is a good example.
You know, it was a huge driving force behind the creation of Europe and the creation of the Euro and that kind of thing.
But, you know, in terms of party politics, it's very much keep it at a distance.
So they would have tuned it over.
And I did, you know, it's hard to know.
They would sort of go, they would sort of not care, I think, at some level.
You know, they just care about, you know, the economic policy of whatever government's in.
They care about the foreign policy of whatever government's in.
So you look at who's here from the Biden administration.
It is just the kind of the guy, you know, it's just the people that run intelligence agencies.
It's the intelligence agencies who go.
You know, they're the kind of thread that runs through the whole thing.
It's kind of, you know, the administrations themselves, you know, the politicians will come and go.
But, you know, the intelligence agencies and Bilderberg, et cetera, they will, and the corporations, they'll just float through the whole thing, you know, just as steady, adaptive creatures that are just sort of sniffing around and moving with the flow and occasionally moving the flow.
But, you know, they're not.
So, oh, you know, that sounds very poetic, but all I mean is I don't think they really care that much.
No, well, I would say this.
We've never, at least in this country, had a more evident puppet in at least my lifetime.
I can't speak to the 1800s or 1900s or how they would have even been represented in the media.
But Joe Biden visibly runs nothing.
Kamala Harris.
Well, if he was a puppet, he'd actually have strings to hold him up.
I mean, he would need it because he keeps falling down, bro.
He keeps falling down.
And then, you know, like, you know, we could all talk about the boy idiot president with George W. Bush, but he had vicious politicians behind him.
Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, you know, guys from that Kissinger era.
A ton of people that you knew were there for business.
And you kind of knew that George Bush might not be running, but there were competent people, even if they were vicious behind him.
The people they've put visually out there are so unimpressive in the Biden administration.
I would argue like their best look is a guy like Tony Blinken, who just sits there and gives the direct talking points, has his hair combed a certain way, and is polite and knows what he's doing behind the scenes.
But all these other guys, like I said, the vice president, a joke.
Jean-Corine Pierre, a joke.
Like these people are jokes.
Do you think that they're just humiliating the Western world and America in particular at this point?
Do you think they're signaling to the rest of us that the time has come for this empire to fall?
Because I know that so many people out there, you know, you hear it a lot now, that we're a failing empire in the United States.
It's just kind of like the natural evolution of things.
But you know, I don't believe that.
I think that this is a contrived tool to bring down the United States from within to further harmonize, as they would say, this global community, Charlie.
Look, it's from the outside.
It's really hard not to read the presence of someone like Joe Biden as some kind of message.
I mean, because he's so evidently beyond the job.
He's sort of a weird incarnation of death.
You see him and you go, this is a sort of dying creature.
They're just holding this withered, confused, urine-eating shell of a man up, and holding him up in front of the world and going here, here.
And it's really, really hard not to read that as a kind of emblem of a death cult or whatever you want to do.
I mean, that sounds too dark.
That sounds very Alex Jones, brother.
Are you telling me, does Charlie Skelton have the inside information on the death cult in Bilderberg?
I would have to listen.
I joke about that.
But yeah, no, it's obviously a global signal.
Listen, you know it and I know it.
The vast majority of the first world, second world, their media has to cover the United States in some respect.
And that shining light on a hill, that beacon has always been the president of the United States.
With Donny T, you definitely got a persona that a lot of people even globally knew who he was.
In many cases, again, whether you like the way he talked or not, projected strength.
And then on the flip, you get this guy that's a career politician, a career criminal, been there forever, has never really projected strength, is sold to the public kind of like Obama 2.0 because he was the vice president during that.
But clearly, even during the debates, was starting to mentally fail.
Forget about the corruption.
And now we have a situation where it's like a Benny Hill reel.
He's talking to Pasta Jardula.
He's like, I'm just keep waiting for the music.
And you could play that.
It is humiliating for a guy like me who's even said, you know, the president can only do so much.
Because there's nobody behind him either that I can point to and say, well, that person's running most of the policy.
And that's where this decision is coming from.
Because it has been so shrouded in mystery.
Yes, there are competent people within the State Department, but that competence seems to only be in the realm of keeping us in a global conflict like Ukraine.
You know, that only seems to be getting these pieces of legislation passed that they have these nifty names for.
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Well, we can't get the Build Back Better bill passed.
We'll call it the infrastructure bill.
Nothing to do with infrastructure.
It doesn't matter.
Biden literally brags later on, well, we got the Build Back Better bill passed under the infrastructure bill.
I mean, they literally say these things.
And it's just kind of like a ha-ha.
You got the hopiots over here, the hopium idiots that believe that, you know, a superstar like Trump is going to come back in with the cape and save the day.
Even worse, you know, we never really got to talk about the QAnon, the QAnons phenomenon of where all these people bought into this idea that white hats were coming to save the day under Trump.
And like you said, doesn't seem to matter who's in power.
Mechanisms like Bilderberg continue forward.
So I hope we're not on our last legs in the United States as a superpower, but we're about to have 2024.
Biden right now, whether or not it happens, says he's running.
I mean, what are your thoughts on that aspect of the United States?
And like you said, you know, looking at it from overseas, what does the rest of the world think?
Well, just to say that a lot of the rhetoric coming out of the US kind of National Security Council people that were at Bilderberg is all about the replacement of the US on the at the kind of helm of the of the global order.
And China is there trying to, and you get this from column Mr. Anne Applebaum, who's there, she writes about this a lot, that it has its set of values that it's trying to build, it's trying to bake into international organizations like the UN or whatever it is, you know, and that it's a different set of values to the traditional liberal order of the US,
the kind of Anglo-US kind of European set of values.
And so, yeah, they're definitely, there's a big strong voice of people there that are going, yeah, look, China, China, China, what about our values?
What about our values?
But then, you know, there's a lot of people like we talked about some of the big investors, you know, like whether it's John Waldron at Goldman Sachs, whether it's Kenneth Griffin, a Citadel.
These are huge investors in China.
They're looking at China, the investors looking at China and going, well, this is a huge marketplace.
We want to get there and do our business well.
And then you've got the surveillance people that are looking at China going, yeah, they've got it right.
So it's not as simple as you can't really see any sentence that begins, well, Bilderberg thinks X is always wrong.
It's like some people who attended this Bilderberg meeting think this.
And the Americans that go, that went from the National Security Council intelligence side of things tend to be saying, watch out, we're being replaced by China.
We need to push American values and stay at the helm of the world's kind of geopolitical order of the world.
And that isn't necessarily what a lot of people, other people at Bilderberg, give a hoot about.
Mr. Skelton, we've been talking for almost an hour.
Is there any other aspect of Bilderberg or Bilderberg 2023 in particular that we didn't hit upon that you think is really important for people to understand?
Yeah, there's one which is just the lobbyists.
So the corporate lobbyists and the people they're doing business, I mentioned the investors, but there's also people, there's a big lobbying groups, like British American business are well represented there.
The vice chairman of the European, what do they call themselves now, Roundtable of Industrialists or something like that, roundtable of industry.
You've got these big lobbying organizations, the International Institute of Finance, their chairman, the chairwoman chair, is there.
So these, what they're doing is, you know, they're representing their industry.
So you've got those, you've got that as another kind of note there.
And it's worth, you know, the real, the real sort of hard, boring, train spotting bit of Bilderberg watching is to work out who's represented and who's doing what and what are their interests.
You know, so you've got people have different hats.
You know, they go there as representatives of their industry, of their bank, of their party, et cetera, et cetera.
So it's real, it's a real mishmash.
But you've got a guy who's the president of the Polish Business Roundtable.
And he's chair of a company called Poland Investments.
And it says, you know, that they say, thanks to our experience, access to the international know-how and context, we're able to effectively maximize value for our clients.
So you've got people maximizing the value of Bilderberg purely for financial gain.
And that's an important factor in all of this.
Well, sir, we got to do this more often.
I know that you're not a political pundit by nature.
I know that you're not a beat reporter by nature, but man, it's been over a decade now.
I want to say, what, about 15 years you've been doing the Bilderberg beat?
Since 2009.
So almost figure your 15th anniversary comes up next year.
Hopefully, maybe it'll be in the United States and I'll actually be able to go.
We'll see.
Because I do think it's an event worth covering for numerous reasons mentioned here today and obviously even beyond that, because these guys do see themselves as the kingmakers and the world shapers.
This is, in my opinion, the apex of the Western power structure.
And we have to shine a light on it if we're ever going to get any kind of accountability, any kind of transparency in our Westernized governance, because obviously they're colluding with one another.
Charlie Skelton, where can people find your stuff?
I know at De Yuk is the very good Twitter feed that I like to follow for pictures of random twigs every once in a while.
Whatever happened to that?
That was a great, I love that series.
I've got to get back on the whole Twig wagon and get them going again because I know there's a big audience of Twig fans out there.
Obviously, a very big audience.
Is there anything out there that you are plugging?
You're writing a book out there.
What do you do?
There's a lot of information on a website, BilderbergMeetings.co.uk.
So the official Bilderberg website is BilderbergMeetings.org.
But if you go to BilderbergMeetings.co.uk, there's a lot of stuff on there that isn't, that's the kind of unofficial commentary on the event on the event.
But also, yeah, as you say, Deuke, D-E-Y-O-O-K, a stupid name.
I don't know why I chose it.
Almost impossible to say.
And yeah, so, but lots of stuff there.
And there's so many photos coming out.
And I've done links to other people that have got photos.
So this is a good place to go and look at other people that are covering it and have got really interesting stuff about Bilderberg.
Bang up job, brother.
Like I said, let's do it again sooner rather than later.