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May 17, 2023 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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A Conscious Resistance Has Arrived

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Bilderberg 2023 Approaches 00:11:50
Hey everybody, Jason Burmes here and since I've been doing the daily show on Red Voice, I have not had my boy on and really he was part of one of the bigger investigations in that Utah SRA case.
We'll probably talk a little bit about that, but the truth of the matter is we've got big things going on in the world.
Bilderberg 2023 coming up in Lisbon, Portugal this weekend.
The Durham report comes out.
I think it's another whitewash.
Gives the right their talking points, gives the left their talking points.
Nothing's really done.
And people like myself and people like Derek, their perspectives aren't really put out into the mainstream.
There are no solutions put out there.
They want you to feel helpless.
And another thing that is really unique about Derek Brose, and you can check him out at theconsciousresistance.com, is he's a real activist.
He goes on real tours.
He's doing the exit and build land summit right now.
And he's even run for office and tried to challenge the system.
So, Derek, for those that don't know, I mean, you wear a lot of hats.
You are an activist.
You are a journalist.
You've tried to be a politician at this point as well.
But what you really are is a human being that's done a great job in exposing the system from all sides.
So how do you get into this, brother?
Hey, thanks for that intro, man.
I appreciate that.
And thanks for giving me a chance to speak to your audience and for all the work you've been putting in.
Yeah, I mean, everything that you just said there as far as journalism, I would just add to that.
You know, I make some documentaries, wrote some books.
But as far as how I got started, I've been doing this for 14 years now, started in late 2009, early 2010.
And honestly, I don't know if I've ever actually told you this.
It was these three events that all happened within a week.
And I don't know, call it synchronicity, call it what you will.
But I had just moved to downtown Houston.
I was going to music festivals, going to all kinds of events.
One thing was somebody was passing out bumper stickers and it had this statement on it.
And I just didn't even know what it really meant, but I took it home and I put it in my music room on my keyboard I had and didn't think about it for a couple months.
Eventually it came back to it and it said 9-11 was an inside job at Infowars.com.
And that same week that I decided to finally look at it, I happened to be at the bookstore and this is 2010, so there was already DVDs on the way out, but I found an Endgame documentary.
I was listening to a band that was like a metal band that was singing about the Federal Reserve.
A couple days later, I saw Ron Paul speak at University of Houston.
Like all these things just happened within a week.
And then I read Jim Maher's book, Rule by Secrecy.
And that was just like everything kind of coalesced.
And yeah, I mean, that's what really caused me to wake up.
And then shortly after that, decide I needed to do something about it.
You know, I was watching a lot of the early videos of We Are Change around, you know, in New York City and in other parts of the country.
And an activist in San Antonio at the time, We Are Change San Antonio was really active and getting inspired by people like yourself and obviously Luke and others in the past who've been active on the streets and started doing the same thing where I was in Houston.
There wasn't a We Are Change, or there was a We Are Change Houston, but it wasn't really active.
So I figured, you know, I wanted to start something new.
Started the Houston Freethinkers Activist Community, which lasted for like eight years.
And it was some of the best times of my life, man, really just teaching me a lot about working with other people.
But we did everything from protests and marches and rallies to build community gardens, skill shares.
We kept kicking the TSA off the Houston buses, confronted Henry Kissinger in Houston, all kinds of fun stuff.
So, I mean, yeah, that's really where it started, though.
And then, you know, there's some more background before that.
I think I've told you, you know, I got locked up in 2005 when I was 20, got addicted to drugs.
That kind of was another wake-up before I woke up politically a few years later after I got through going in and out of prison and kind of finding my way and eventually starting to work on myself spiritually, doing some healing, getting into some prayer and meditation while I was locked up.
And then when I got out of that, that's when I was like, okay, well, now I'm a felon.
I just experienced this drug war.
And that's kind of that time where I was, my eyes were just ready to see, I guess, and I was ready to listen.
And shortly after that, everything else I described happened.
Watching the endgame, reading Ron Paul's book, Meeting Ron Paul, etc. etc., it just spiraled out from there.
And now it's been 14 years.
And, you know, I look back on some of those days in the 2010s, if you will, the late 2000s, into the 2010s, very fondly as well, because of the activism aspect of it.
Because of the viral nature of the documentary films that we don't see anymore.
We haven't seen a decade later.
Every once in a while, a documentary kind of goes viral, but everything's in this cycle where you get 48 hours to a week, right?
Even the real Anthony Fauci, which is a pretty good documentary or planned, they only talk about it for a short period of time.
And on the flip of that, there were videos going viral every week of actual politicians being confronted about actual issues.
Not the talking points, not the left-right.
You know, I love Alex Stein, but what he does is kind of like astroturfing, comedy, journalism.
No, tough stuff.
And I would argue that the only reason we saw what happened in 2016, love Trump or hate Trump, kind of this, we're done with this narrative right now.
And the growing nature of that that's been sput comes from that no matter what, comes from people like yourself, comes from the Luke Radowskis of the world.
You know, Tim Poole, and criticize him all you want, you know, he came up during that Occupy Wall Street movement.
And I believe that even that movement thought it was genuine, was standing up to the banksters and authoritarianism.
Why don't we see not even more of that, but almost any of that anymore?
And instead, it's relegated to like social media influence and a spin or a hot take and not the source material itself.
Yeah, you know, I think this is an interesting question.
And I definitely, yeah, the 2010s, obviously since I was waking up, then it was an important time for me.
But I think in general, you know, I woke up a year before the Occupy Wall Street movement, and there was Occupy Houston while I was there.
But we kind of collaborated with them.
There was Occupy Houston and the Houston Freethinkers, some of the biggest marches we did against the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, indefinite detention of people.
You know, everybody around the country was coming out in protest, and there was like marches on senators' offices.
There was confrontation of politicians.
And then shortly after that, you had movements like the marches against the war with Syria, the first attempts back in 2013.
You had March Against Monsanto around that time, big marches.
So there was definitely something special in the energy that was going on there.
And then, particularly, you mentioned Tim, like my only opinion on that would be to say I remember when a lot of people might not know now because Tim's more known for sitting at the desk and like you said, giving hot takes.
But back then, he was making news for doing like the first 24-hour live stream, I think, ever, but at Occupy Wall Street.
And Luke was out there streaming, you know, those kinds of things.
And Luke and other people were actually confronting people.
There's not so much of that.
I try to contribute to that myself, having confronted former CIA director John Bernan just about five or six months ago.
Things like that.
I think it's still important to get out there to make sure these people win the chance is available.
If you find out one of these war criminals are coming to your town, go out there as press and try to get a question if you can.
And if you can't, you got to go more confrontational.
You know, do what you got to do because I think we should definitely be putting energy into that.
As much as focusing on solutions like getting out of the systems, etc., I still think there is a place for confronting these people and not just allowing them to walk around freely.
I think they should kind of walk in somewhat fear of like worrying, oh, if I go to that city, I don't know, there might be some people some actual accountability because this is the only accountability that we're getting.
And, you know, we talk about that era.
And in that era, it was really the left that was fed up with the Bush administration that started to realize they were getting fooled by the Barack Star.
There was no real change and it was all opium.
Sorry, Barry Sotero wasn't coming through.
It was really an extension of the Bush regime.
And at that time, the left that was still around that was trying to be honest with himself was still anti-war and still pro-Assange, right?
And I will give credit to this day.
You talk about we need more of that.
Who was it?
It was Code Pink that just stood up to Blinken and the gang over at World Press Freedom Day and said, hey, how come we're not talking about Julian Assange two hours into this whitewash into journalism?
How come we're not talking about the IDF killing a journalist on tape that was covering the affair?
Why aren't we talking about that?
And, you know, again, I think that was a good thing.
It opened some eyes.
It said, hey, there are still some people on the left that are anti-war.
We need more people to be brought together.
I would say RFK Jr. running is a good sign and polling is interesting.
Yeah, it is.
Polling as well.
You know what?
That's a good segue into that.
What are your thoughts on RFK Jr. running and what he's said so far?
So just based like objectively on what he said, just taking his words as they are, I think he's definitely going to play a role in terms of getting this conversation around the shots, around he's talking about CBDCs.
He's talking about some big picture topics that people like you and I and plenty of others have been talking about for much longer now, but it's of course a soapbox that we don't have access to.
So in terms of that, I think that's a positive thing.
You know me, man.
I mean, I don't have much faith in politicians, much less on the federal level.
I think it's pretty difficult to imagine something completely out of the ordinary.
Maybe Trump was that aberration, but to me, I think he's still bent to a lot of these same forces in the end.
But as far as RFK, I do think that there are some legitimate concerns around him as well.
I've actually been waiting to interview him for over a year now before this announcement and been in communication with his press team since he announced.
And so hopefully that's coming in the next couple weeks and plan to ask a few questions that I haven't heard anybody else ask him.
And I'll mention at least a couple of those that I think are worth pointing out that I haven't seen too much talk around.
There's one thing that I think isn't necessarily like a, you know, oh my god, he's involved in this activity per se, but it is a question worth asking.
And that is the fact that his name is listed in Epstein's black book and that hasn't gotten a lot of attention.
But again, Epstein knew famous people, right?
That doesn't necessarily mean he was involved in activity, visit the island.
We don't know.
But also, I think, a fair question to ask him to put to him, because sooner or later, someone's going to ask that question, and it might be on the big mainstream media as opposed to someone who's sort of independent media within the movement per se.
There's that, and there's also some concerns I've seen from people like Allison McDowell and others who've talked about some of the companies that he's, the boards he sits on, and some of the companies he's invested in being companies that are involved in promotion of the fourth industrial revolution, of course, Klaus Schwab's pet project, things like that.
And then I would just like to also hear, I've seen this one popping up on Twitter recently.
Ron Paul's Endorsement Dilemma 00:02:58
He made a statement saying that under no circumstance would I run with Trump.
I would like to ask him, well, would you say the same about not endorsing Biden?
You know, because we all know how this game goes, right?
The rebel candidate comes in and plays a role, gets people all excited, and in the end just goes ahead and gives the endorsement.
I think the only person who hasn't in the last 20 years, to my memory, is Ron Paul.
For those who don't remember when Ron Paul built his movement in 2008 and then again 2012, they had a strategy to win Ron Paul the nomination.
The Republican Party changed the rules in Tampa Bay at the RNC in 2012 so that Ron Paul's delegates didn't have the opportunity.
They did a bunch of silly games, all kinds of petty stuff to keep them from being able to achieve what they wanted.
And the RNC offered Ron Paul a speaking slot at the RNC if he basically endorsed Mitt Romney.
And he refused to do so.
And he didn't get to speak there, but instead they had Paul Fest next door, like his own people doing their own thing.
The real deal.
And that was the best thing is that, you know, yeah, well, listen, that was a big deal because, you know, I talked to mainline conservatives.
I'm on Red Voice Media, right?
And the cleanup hitter over there now is Wayne Dupree, you know, a conservative guy who's been around for a long time.
And he flipped after the Obama administration, I think first term.
I think in 2008, he was done with him.
So the Barack star from 2004 to 2008, he was on it.
He's like, I'm going full conservative.
And I started bringing up 2008 because that's when he was starting to get behind McCain.
I said, McCain, well, what about Ron Paul?
And he said, well, you know, I had to get behind the candidate that could win.
And I said, you know, that's the problem.
I go, Ron Paul was saying the right things, doing the right things, polling the right way.
And it was mainline conservatives like Sean Hannity that were calling him a Paul Tard.
And that was running in the Fox News crowd and all that.
They were frightened as hell of Ron Paul.
And Ron Paul was anti-war.
He was about as pro-quote-unquote true capitalism as you can get in this global techno-fascistic society.
He wanted a hard currency.
He wanted accountability.
He really wanted the types of things that Donald Trump ran on and was promising.
Let's be honest, Eric.
Well, it was Ron Paul that really helped start the, you could say at least the modern end the Fed movement in these 2010s and late 2008.
I think, honestly, I think Trump kind of said the right things to try to appeal to those same people, but didn't deliver.
Like Ron Paul for years said he was going to audit the Fed and the Fed.
I think Trump, when he was running, said one or two things to the effect of like, we need to, you know, rein in the Fed and got some people feeling hopeful, but in the end, there wasn't anything delivered on that front.
And what I was saying about Ron Paul is just, you know, for those who don't know, I mean, there is just so much history there.
Ron Paul's Legacy 00:03:38
Learn that history because it's not too long ago.
And there was a movement.
I think he does represent something different.
Maybe not.
But after that, the next sort of rebel movement was on the other side with Bernie and then Bernie again.
And then you get people like Tulsi Gabbard, both of whom every time ended up endorsing either Hillary and then eventually Biden, right?
So that's why I was saying I think it'd be worth asking RFK Jr. if you, you know, because you're not going to win the nomination.
The party's stacked against him.
I mean, there's no way he's going to, even with all the money in the name recognition, we can already see the attacks coming in.
So knowing that that is not a very likely, you know, likely thing that's going to happen, can you say for sure that people who are going to put their time, money, and energy into helping you get as far as possible won't end up seeing you endorse Biden?
I think it's worth finding out the answer to that question and putting him on the record just like anybody else.
Even though he is, once again, saying the right things in terms of CBDCs and questioning the shots, those are the kind of people, in my belief, that when they're saying the right things, we should also be even more holding them.
Hold our feet to the fire, right?
I mean, accountability.
That's the deal.
Honest criticism and honest dissent is what we need more of so we can get what at least some kind of a response that can be articulated and then we can discuss whether or not that's the right response and hopefully come to some kind of an agreement.
That's what civic discourse really is.
So it's not a cheerleader game.
Okay?
When they've said one thing, it's like, love the WikiLeaks, can't get enough of the WikiLeaks.
For instance, you know, Trump dominated that CNN town hall.
Well, I saw a thread from somebody who was there, and they were upset that the moderator kept asking the questions, and there were two tough questions in the crowd in particular that weren't asked.
And one of them was regarding Operation Warp Speed and the vaccine.
They didn't want that on television.
And the other was regarding Assange.
So again, even when Trump looks like a rock star, in a way, he's even being shielded from a valid conversation because it goes against the great narrative that's trying to be presented by the CNNs and the MSNBCs of the world.
You know what I'm saying, Derek?
Yeah, I think that I hadn't seen that, so thanks for sharing that with me.
And that doesn't surprise me.
I think that's an element of how much this is scripted.
We've said this before in our conversations over the years.
Trump was really one of the things, whether intended or unintentional, to help save the mainstream media the last six, seven, eight years because they have been on a downturn for a decade plus now.
But with Trump, it gave them something to talk about 24 hours a day that people wanted to hear and just as much Trump mania, hate Trump, whatever, here's the latest thing, much of which we now know has come out to be false.
And we're finding out this with the latest Durham stuff.
But I think that to me, it just shows it's a show.
Of course, they'll ask some questions that maybe can create a divisive thing of like, oh, how dare they challenge Trump like that?
And oh, look, Trump really got hurt.
He said something funny and mean.
Again, we're back to that point.
But yeah, no mention of Assange, no mention of Operation Warp Speed or real things that we could challenge him strongly on and see where, you know, what he says.
And I actually want to ask you one thing about RFK Jr.
One of the concerns, or I guess the criticisms, potential other questions is I'm sure you've seen these videos or clips going back to the climate change thing, right?
So listen, I think those are poorly misrepresented.
Climate Change Controversies 00:03:27
People could change their mind.
We should judge him for 15, 10, whatever years it ago is.
So first of all, that is another one of the valid questions that I would want to ask him about because he knows about the World Economic Forum.
He understands about the CBDCs and the social credit score.
Well, that social credit score is also going to be based on your carbon allotment.
Here's my issue on the clip, the main clip that has gone viral where they say he's calling for jail for climate deniers.
That is not what is happening.
First of all, they cut off the original question, which is specifically about whether or not the Koch brothers are involved in criminal activity because of what they've done with the fossil fuel and the coal industry.
And so he's responding to that.
And he never says that anybody should be jailed for their beliefs.
He's talking about their criminal actions of actually polluting and funding that system.
So number one, I think that clip is taken out of context.
Number two, I think we have to talk about carbon.
And I think that, you know, hopefully he's going to give the right answer in that the way he came into looking at vaccines was he realized that coal and the way that these plants were dealing with it was giving off a ton of mercury.
And that in particular is the poison.
And it was, he actually tells the story recently that these four women kept coming to his speeches and said, hey, there's mercury in the vaccines.
Hey, there's mercury in the vaccines.
Hey, there's mercury in the vaccines.
Then finally, one woman printed up all the material and went to his house.
Went to his house.
Wow.
Yeah, and not only went to his house, rung the doorbell, and said, You know, you know who I am, and you're going to read this.
And I'm going to sit here and I'm going to wait because you're going to read it in front of me.
And so he was just so taken aback by that, right?
That's a bold move that he did.
And he started to read through the material.
And he said he got through like 20 or so pages and he looked at her.
And that's where it started.
So he's aware.
And believe me, when I talk about coal, I don't talk about it clean burning.
I go, hey, there are some problems if it's not regulated, but it's not the carbon I'm worried about.
You know, it's the poisons in the water.
It's the heavy metals.
And there are other industries in that.
I want to know if he's going to take that approach.
You know, if he's going to get us out of this Davos UN carbon credit system, that's a must.
Well, I can say from conversations with a friend of his close friend, Dale Bigtree, who I've worked with a couple times recently and collaborated with on, he spoke at the Greater Reset last year.
I had a conversation with him about the announcement by RFK Jr. because Dell also considers himself to be kind of like an old school liberal, believes in free speech and, you know, do as what you will, also an environmentalist, but not part of the kind of current climate change cult, I guess you could say, if you wanted to, right?
Somebody who doesn't feel at home with much of what's going on and be promoted, ESG, carbon credits, social credit scores, obviously that stuff.
But it says, hey, there is a conversation of how we should take care of the environment that I think sometimes maybe conservatives just throw away because they see the climate change narrative and the dangers behind that.
And I think that that's probably where that RFK is along those lines because this guy's been around for a while, right?
So he's been fighting the environment, not only the mercury stuff, but he was with water keepers and fighting.
Paying Attention to Uncertainty 00:11:44
There's some really interesting stuff.
You look up his career as a lawyer in the Hudson Bay at Keeping the Water Cleaners.
I know it.
I grew up in the area.
Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
So I think that credit needs to be given to that.
It doesn't necessarily mean climate change per se because he's been an environmentalist in the past.
And who knows?
I mean, maybe his views have changed.
I don't know, but I definitely do hope to ask him that as well.
Yeah, absolutely.
Again, RFK is the only guy out there talking about the Defense Department and the shots and Pfizer and AstraZeneca just slapping their labels on them.
He's the only one that is out there really, you know, I think giving a fair shake on the Ukraine other than Trump.
And he had his son actually go fight over there.
And that hasn't deluded him to be like, rah-rah, Zelensky.
These are positive things.
I think we have to explore them.
Like I said, I think it's a long shot that he gets the nomination, if not an impossibility, the way the structure is set up.
The other big news story involving presidential candidates today is the Durham Report is out.
And for me, what it does is nobody's going to jail.
The prosecutions were a joke.
The whole thing seemed like a whitewash.
All the information in there was publicly known and available, yet denied by the mainstream media to this day since 2017.
That's six years ago.
There's essentially nothing new in there.
Both sides get their talking points.
So the left still spews Roger Stone, Gucifer, Russia, Russia, Russia, WikiLeaks, right?
And then the right says it was all a hoax and a lie and they were spying on his campaign.
And we know that that's the case and we know the FBI is corrupt, but none of them are going to be held accountable in any meaningful way.
So the Durham Report, what are your thoughts?
Yeah, so I was, you know, I was checking out the stories going out there.
I thought it was interesting the last couple days that whenever it was breaking news that I went to MSNBC just to kind of check, let me see what they're saying about this, and there wasn't anything at all.
And they took CNN, I'd say, at least 24 hours, maybe 48 hours to start mentioning it on their homepage in any kind of significant way.
Now they're finally reporting on it, which is still surprising.
And I think that, like you said, it's nothing.
Completely spectacularly new, that those who've been paying attention and following along with the spectacle even if you've been sort of paying attention from a distance, like myself, because it's just such a spectacle and that this isn't really too much new information now is it significant that it's now in a congressional report or the investigation has been released and the media has to accept it?
I guess in that way, but at the same time, as you said, there's not going to be any accountability in any kind of way.
And at the same time, the people, I think, who aren't open-minded and willing to still consider data and everything, like the people who've already had their mind made up they, their mind's not going to change, like their minds are made up one way or the other, and I don't think that.
I think it kind of works both ways, like if the report had come out and said actually, Trump was guilty of all these things, that the people who suspect he's not would not believe it either way.
And that, I think, is one of the problems we're facing in today's society is there's just like so much entrenched views that those who already set in their ways probably won't even pay attention to this report when they're the ones who should be reading it because, like you said, those who have been paying attention are like yeah, we knew this, we've known this kind of stuff.
What's the big surprise here?
And I, I it really does frustrate me to see those things with these kinds of issues.
But the only other thing that caught my attention or I thought was interesting and maybe you could speak more to this as far as how long it's been known, because if it was known before I I missed this specific detail but it was a uh, a piece of data in there saying that John Burnin had been interviewed, I think back in 2016 originally, or he, he briefed uh the, he briefed Biden, he briefed Obama and uh, through Clinton, you know the Clinton's plan to go after Trump.
We know they've had a plan, but just to know, like just to see that it's right there in that document where it clearly says that Brennan was, you know, assigned to do this, basically to brief them.
It made me even more happy that I confronted John Brennan, basically to tell him like hey, you know, I know you've, because I specifically told him to his face.
Now you've sort of uh, remade yourself in the Trump era because of your, you know, because he basically has.
He's been able to rehabilitate himself by going on Msnbc and just badmouthing Trump all the time the last few years.
So it felt good to have confronted him, just to see it there, knowing like yeah, this guy is specifically propagandizing, trying to pull psychological operations on the American people, and the current president was a part of it, or was briefed in it at least.
Well, so let's answer your question as far as it down the line official no, this document's the first time to do it.
As far as it being known in the public arena, you have to go even to the Hirsch recordings, where he straight up says it's a Brennan operation.
He literally names John Brennan.
And you know another thing, with the uh, with the idea that not only do we all know this stuff and nothing new came out, we To go even before the 2016 election, and not just with the WIKI leaks and the Russian hacks, they had Anthony Weiner's mother truck and laptop.
We have on the record from their faux investigation with their puppeteer little like barely able to speak because he's getting older, Robert Mueller report where they had to acknowledge the Seth Rich situation.
They had certain parts redacted on that situation.
And then on top of it, when you looked at it, it was like, oh, wait a minute.
There were people at the NYPD that said they had the laptop and they didn't understand why the FBI wasn't there because there was all sorts of evidence of sex trafficking.
Okay, that's all real.
No one ever got in trouble with that.
That laptop had access to Huma Abedeen's entire email collection, who was Hillary Clinton's basically, I mean, not only the head of her campaign, but some people have said a little bit more, if you know what I mean there, Derek.
If you know what I mean.
I'm talking about the time of all that incident involving that, you know, our favorite food pizza.
Yeah, well, I'm just saying that that right there obviously has evidence on it of premeditation before all of this.
Before all of this.
And Trump is.
It's crazy how far back this goes.
I mean, we're now in 2023 and just really seeing the timeline.
Now that we have a little bit of perspective, and yeah, like you said, with all the information that's come forward and then now on the record, what is it going to mean?
What is it going to do?
Is anybody going to go anywhere?
Is anybody going to change?
I saw a tweet.
Somebody said, nothing's going to change.
Brennan's going to keep going on MSNBC.
Biden's going to continue being president.
Obama's going to hang out in Martha's Vineyard and life will go on.
And again, they have emails.
He's admitting, Brennan's admitting, oh, it was political.
I mean, these guys signed off.
Think about how brazen this was.
And we all just kind of lived through it.
They all signed off that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation at the same exact time where literal hooker videos were going around of him while he was smoking crack, letting people know that this was an actual leak and an actual laptop.
They got it censored across social media, and they got all the Muppets in chief to say the same thing on all the networks against you know, for instance, you know, one of the big lies out there I still can't get over is that 60 Minutes interview with Trump and Leslie Stahl, where he's like, they spied on my campaign, Leslie.
And again, this Durham report absolutely shows that.
She goes, no, no.
I have to stop you.
There's no evidence of that.
He's like, what do you mean there's no evidence?
And she just, this is 60 minutes.
We have journalistic integrity here.
I mean, they sit there and they preach about how justified they are and righteous they are.
And then when they get called on it, they just say no.
It's the magic hand.
For instance, Trump did it well, in my opinion, with little Leslie Stahl.
That's what I'm calling white pants suit there.
When he talked about Pence, and it's in the Constitution that Pence can send the vote back to the states and we can audit the vote, right?
That's in there to stop corrupt elections.
She goes, no, that's not true.
And he goes, why did they have to pass a law after I left otherwise?
Because they were so scared it would happen again.
She goes, that law strengthened it.
It's just like they fortified the election.
They didn't steal it.
And they strengthened the law stopping the vice president from doing what he can in a system of checks and balances, Derek.
It's new speak.
I'll say, yeah, it is newspeak.
I'll say as well, I mean, just whatever is really going on in this season of America, it's pretty confounding.
Recently, I was talking with Ryan Christian and Whitney Webb, and Whitney was really wanting to just emphasize, and I just want to mention it here, the importance of those who are going to hear this and who consume this kind of content to really understand that social media is the next warfare, you know, whether you're calling a fifth-generation warfare, but seeing that this is the next battlefield, and there's so many different things in the media and the news and the internet, not only things fighting for your attention and distractions, etc., the algorithm, all the things we're aware of,
but real crafted storylines and narratives that are being put in front of you.
I'm not saying about anything we're just discussing here, but I do think that's important to take away because there's so much of this uncertainty being put in front of us and then outright lies.
And then, like you said, news speak of just twisting words and twisting meaning and really trying to confuse the heck out of people.
And I do think that is an important, it's important to recognize that that's part of the info war that is on for our mind is the confusion, is the overwhelmingness of all these different narratives.
And yeah, I mean, it's the fact that there's so much data out there about this and seeing it.
I don't really trust Trump, but I can clearly see that there's some narrative here.
I was going to mention, remember there was the Newsweek one that came out where they had basically admitted that a cabal had collaborated together to steal the election.
Fortify the election.
Yeah, absolutely.
to qualify the election.
So, yeah, I mean, how do people...
That was Time Magazine, by the way, everybody.
That was not.
Yes.
How do people go about the rest of the, this is one question I want to have for RFK actually, just to kind of wrap that whole thing up.
Is knowing everything we just discussed here and knowing that this man says he feels confident in the data and the research showing the CIA's involvement in assassinating his uncle, and knowing that there are lies about his own father's assassination, how then can you run for president and assume that the votes are really going to matter?
And knowing everything we were just discussing here, like, I don't know, it's just really hard for me to put any faith in those systems because of how corrupt and how openly about it.
They're writing editorials about what they're doing, and half or you know, some portion of the country are cheering that on or not even paying any attention, right?
It's hard to have faith in that system, seeing how blatant things have become.
Well, I'm in agreement with you there, and there's a few things I want to hit on.
Number one, how are we going to have free and fair elections when we haven't fixed the broken system of these voting machines that have become more prevalent for the past 20 plus years?
And I do believe, you know, everybody was saying, red wave, midterm, red wave!
Carlson's Influence on Memes 00:15:24
I'm like, the same machines are still around.
And then we get Kerry Lake losing.
We get John Fetterman winning.
I'm sorry, I think they might have fortified those elections to everybody.
Just off the cuff.
And then to go back to your narrative battles on social media, I want to give an example of that that's already kind of taken place in a big story that just about everybody in the alternative media, in my opinion, got wrong.
And that was the voting meme Justin McConney/slash Ricky Vaughan case.
Are you familiar with that case?
I don't think so, not by name, remind me.
So this is the case where they showed you the meme to text to vote for Hillary Clinton, and they acted like they were putting him away in jail for 10 years for that.
That's not what happened.
What actually happened is the network that they said was the Russian interference network, and they did that GRU paper, was actually Justin McConney, who went by Ricky Vaughn, Microchip, the individual who claimed to be QAnon and start that with the DEF CON crew, James Brower, Dreamcatcher, and the MAGA 3X group.
Now, how do I know this?
Because they let Microchip testify against Makani as Microchip in New York, not give up his identity, okay, which is, to me, unprecedented.
They had flipped him in the FBI from 2018.
It was January of 2019.
He was supposed to come on my show and didn't.
Instead, I got Brower and DeFango.
Okay?
Then they still charged him.
In 2021, three years later, but they won't say what they charged him with and what he pled to.
And they're still using him right now to break up that group, the meme group.
And let me just show you an article here.
There's actually an article two years before this.
But this is BuzzFeed, 2017.
Never mind the Russians.
Meet the bot king who helps Trump win Twitter.
So this is the actual Russian network where there are no Russians.
And let me show you that.
Look, I mean, this quote is incredible.
Wow.
Indeed, in a national atmosphere charged by unproven accusations about a massive network of Russian social media influence, the story of how Microchip helped build the most notorious pro-Trump Twitter network seems almost mundane.
Less a technologically daunting intelligence operation than a clever patchworking of tools nearly any computer literate person could manage.
It also suggests that some of the current Russian Trump hysteria may be, well, a hysteria.
It's all us, not the Russians, Microchip said.
And we're not going to stop.
A year later, the FBI found him.
Now, nobody else knows his identity.
I've done breakdowns of this and that network.
And the spin is that people that are actually looking at it is that in the MAGA 3x social groups where they were making things go viral on Twitter and other networks, Cernovich was in there, Stone was in there, one of Peter Thiel's old guys was in there, and they tried to connect it to Michael Flynn, of course, because that's the narrative that somehow he started the QA nonsense.
The way that they actually got Makani, first of all, Makani had never met Microchip in person, obviously.
No one knew who he was.
But they got Microchip to testify that they were trying, you know, this is how they get the espionage stuff, that they were trying to influence the election.
There's a bunch of fraud committed, but some of that fraud was with the meme where they had posted the phone number.
They had actually bought access to the number.
So when you texted it, it sent a message back.
And although they couldn't prove that anybody had not voted because of that, right?
I think it did get something like under a thousand hits or something like that or texts.
Obviously not enough to sway an election, but they were looking to break this network up and infiltrate it.
And the other thing to note on that is the guy that possibly helped start QAnon flip to the FBI in 2018, two years before the 2020 election.
And we don't know who else flipped from that network.
So again, where's that in the alternative media?
No, that's some great work there, brother.
I have to check out what you've done previously on that.
I hadn't seen that.
I do remember the meme you're talking about now, but I hadn't seen that whole background there.
So that's pretty powerful stuff.
And just another sign that the idea, the theory that QAnon was what it was purporting to be is totally false.
No matter which way you cut it.
And you can see the involvement of literal people, literally people involved with intelligence and not in a positive way, not white hats, good guys fighting to bring down the deep state.
No, a bunch of grifters and opportunists.
And unfortunately, it got so big, I believe, that the Trump administration purposely leaned into it.
You know, Donald Trump said, they like me.
That's what I know.
They like me very much.
You know, he knew more.
He knew more.
Again, it shows you that, again, Trump talks a good game, does some good things.
He has still bent the knee.
So let's get into some knee bending and maybe not some knee bending.
The Tuckens, Tucker Carlson, okay?
Somebody who used to rip apart 9-11 Truth.
I've played the clip of him and David Ray Griffin from MSNBC years ago.
was the only anti-war voice and the only voice out there telling any semblance of truth on the mainstream media for his efforts.
He was the most popular thing in news.
He was driving people to Fox Nation.
Nobody else was going there.
He's making documentaries with Jay Dyer in it.
It's the last doc, let them eat bugs, the last documentary they put out.
And then he starts going on podcasts recently in the last couple months and saying stuff that he doesn't even say on his show, like, what's up with Building 7?
Why can't you have that conversation?
Now it appears, obviously Fox allegedly has him through 2025, so past the 2024 election, but that he is going to bring his show to Twitter after one of the last interviews he does is with the Muskernuts.
Now, to his credit, the Tuckens did bring up the fact that the FBI still has full access to Twitter, but now he has also championed it as the only free speech platform out there.
So, I mean, I want to know, what is your thought on all this?
So I think I probably have a similar view, perhaps, in terms of Tucker Carlson, which is similar to that of Elon Musk, that I tend to think that they can say some of the right things and now appears to be saying even more of the right things.
Also has a history of saying things and doing things that we know don't align with freedom and free speech and liberty and things like that.
Tucker Carlson does have an interesting history.
For those who haven't checked out the work of Alan McLeod on Press News, he did a pretty good investigation, I think, last year before, looking into not only his father's history, but his history and some of the things that he's supported throughout his career.
Again, just like with RFK or anybody else, are these people really waking up?
Are we witnessing certain people who seem otherworldly because they have such a huge following and a big support base really starting to wake up and pay attention?
Or are these more false heroes, you know, redirecting us back into the systems?
Like, again, this stay tuned to my show on Twitter to me isn't really a good sign.
And obviously we've talked about at length problems with Elon Musk.
And I think there are a lot of people, and I've just seen it in the last couple of days with Twitter shutting down operations in Turkey.
And then there's another report that I found recently.
Not shutting down operations in Turkey.
Instead, censoring.
Censoring, excuse me.
So let's talk about that.
Basically, and I covered that on my new show.
Basically, there was an election in Turkey.
The state came to Twitter.
They said, we want this censored or de-amplified.
I love that.
We're going to de-amplify some things.
If you don't do it, we're going to cut it off from the entire country.
And Muskernuts bent the knee, censored, and he actually responded to somebody who said, hey, this is what we can expect for free speech.
And he's like, don't you get it?
They were going to censor it all the way if I didn't censor.
Yeah, his freedom of reach thing.
Yeah, and I want to add to that too.
I mean, this is just the latest example.
I found this report that was based on data from the Lumen database, which Twitter has been voluntarily giving monthly reports for years now.
And it shows that since Elon Musk took ownership, the company has received 971 government takedown requests to take down various content.
And they complied with, fully complied with 808 out of 971 examples, and that this compliance rate is around 50%.
Was around 50% before him and now is around 80%.
So, I mean, as far as freedom of speech, his actions and the company's actions since he's taken over are showing the complete opposite.
So, I say all that to say I kind of feel similar with Tucker Carlson.
You know, I saw the clip of him saying, Yeah, why can't we question 9-11 or the Building 7 after years of doing the exact opposite?
I don't know, man.
Maybe I'm just bitter because of all the hate we got back in the day about 9-11 from Geraldo and everybody else that I just don't trust him.
But I do think, again, back to narratives, we have to be skeptical, we have to, you know, be critical of these people.
We shouldn't just say, like, hey, be quiet because they're reaching a lot of people or because they're saying the right things.
I do think that part of, and it's not even my thought, it's their strategy, the COINTELPRO, to try to lead and guide movements.
I mean, so not saying that that is what he is, or we have that evidence, but we should ask questions about people who are propped up or who we ourselves start to look at as leaders and maybe even question why we put people up on a pedestal like that.
And yeah, I'm not really sure what to believe.
And then the other thing I'll mention, and you tell me what your thoughts are on this.
This is more esoteric, I guess, spiritual.
But I believe that what's going on right now is what I'm calling, and this is not my original term, but calling the great inversion.
There's a small channel I've seen, I can't remember what her name is, Alexandra, something like that.
It's a Christian channel.
It's interesting.
It's not fully my thing, but I think she has a lot of great points, and she's been talking for months, as well as a few other content creators, about this great inversion that we're witnessing.
So many people have woken up to how horrible the left and Democrats have become during COVID years.
And people who felt like Democrats felt like liberals, felt like progressives are no longer, they don't know where to fit in, right?
So people are looking for new potential supporters, and a lot of them see that in Elon Musk, Kanye Wesk, Tucker Carlson.
And it feels like, and the idea of the great inversion is that we're just witnessing this flipping, the turning of the tide back to the other side, right?
And so it seems like there's a great awakening happening.
But as with QAnon, we can see that it's being guided and led by many of the same people who have created the problems, maybe from a different flavor, but from still, generally speaking, deep state, not of the people.
And so I do worry that that is part of what we're seeing, these kind of trends where there are Russell Brands and Elon Musk and the Tucker Carlsons.
I don't know.
And the RFK Jr.s, I can't say 100% like if I trust people at that level.
I just don't know what to make of it.
I think billionaires are tough.
I think the tuck, I'm hoping what the tuck is, is a macro chasm of what Glenn Beck did.
Because I, for the longest time, did not trust anything coming out of Glenn Beck, right?
He was one of the worst.
You saw the tide start to turn from CNN to Fox News, but extremely limited hangout, and we're not going to touch the war of terror, especially not 9-11.
To him doing one of the most powerful interviews with Whitney Webb and then recently talking about the CIA 9-11 link that guys like you and I have known about through the consulate and Saudi Arabia and the FBI informants with Al Madar, but is now making headway in some mainstream media again.
So I think that maybe some people are finally, you know, getting past their cognitive dissonance and their comfort zone.
It's hard for me to understand what the mentality of anybody that grew up with like millions of dollars is.
And Tucker is certainly that person.
I mean, that's one of the things that I used to hate Tucker Carlson.
I used to watch it.
I remember before he even got a show on MSNBC during the like the Clinton impeachment years.
I'd look at that bow tie and see that smug bastard sit there and talk.
And I just think this is like a cartoon of the worst character in Archie that I want to punch in the face, right?
And, you know, he talks about his dad being in media, his dad also working with intelligence, right?
And being on the inside of the DC.
Hell, being Hunter Biden's neighbor and buddy.
You know, a lot of people don't talk about that, but they were buddies.
They had exchanges.
Hunter asked him for favors to play certain stories down in the past.
All that's real.
I think that some people might look at that.
And if Tucker's a genuine person, which I think he may be, even with all the, like, the leaks only make him look better, right?
Like, I love all the leaks.
Where he's just like, wow, this shit is Alex Jones dark.
We need to do something.
This is unacceptable.
Glenn Beck, to his credit, again, he's given life into at least people gravitating towards the truth.
Again, love Alex Stein or hate Alex Stein.
He's effective.
He gets views.
He gets people looking at issues.
And they've platformed him over at the Blaze.
You know, the Blaze has a substantial reach out there.
The Crowders of the world, we need those guys.
I think we need the InfoWars of the world.
I think we need on the other side, obviously, the media roots, the Abby Martins and Robbie Martins of the world.
And I think that you're somewhere in between all that.
That's why I love you.
Is that, you know, I guess maybe you lean a little bit more left or traditional liberal, but at this point, what does that even mean?
And we've had that conversation forever.
Or even libertarian, you know, as long as you don't go full anarchist, which I just think is totally imagination land, because you need some kind of structure, you need some kind of law enforcement, etc.
And that's how you kind of end up building these government institutions.
I think there's grounds for us to be able to come together and come to solutions based in those ideas.
But the traditional conservative out the window, the traditional liberal out the window, I think that those things are part of the post-truth world.
So in this last segment or so, what are your thoughts on Bilderberg last year rolling into DC?
Bilderberg In Shadows 00:02:07
Nobody knew.
Barely anyone covered it or could cover it because of that.
This year, Charlie Skelton put out pretty early Lisbon, Portugal.
He seems to be right.
Skelton's there.
I know that Dan Dix is on the way.
I'm hoping there's going to be some international press.
I'm hoping that the mainstream press actually covers it this year when there was almost a total blackout last year, where in past years before COVID-1984, they started talking about it a little bit.
Especially, I mean, again, I hearken back to it, but everybody, 2018, the post-truth world that we're living in, that was one of the big talking points.
So, 2023, Bilderberg, what do you think?
You know, actually, I did see that Dan actually just arrived today.
He loaded a video earlier walking through the hotel before it's locked down.
It seems interesting.
Like you said, Charlie Skelton appears to be right, and there appears to be something that's about to happen in the next day or two.
They actually announced this time.
There is a complete and total blackout from all of what we would consider mainstream media and from the Bilderberg group themselves.
And it seems to me kind of an interesting shift, right, from the years past, where even where you're pointing to the post-truth world back then, there were some public statements.
There was public, there started to be, you went from the time where it was like Alex Jones and Jim Tucker and others like going should find the list of who's going to attend and that was being leaked onto the internet and stuff like that to then them going public and then publishing their own list.
And then now the last few years it's kind of gone mostly dark again.
And it's interesting to kind of see in that space, the World Economic Forum has stepped into becoming the more public face of the international world order.
And the Bilderberg is kind of stepping back into the shadows.
So, I'm really curious to see how things go the next couple days for those that are there and if we get any interesting conversations or confrontations or if they end up putting a public list together just and release it kind of out of the blue in the next couple days.
Well, you know, the list is always important because you look at the U.S. politicians that were there last year, Kristen Cinema, and I said, watch Kristen Cinema.
Power Struggle 00:02:16
All of a sudden, she's the independent darling.
She's the in-between in the middle politician you need, my guy.
So to me, she was anointed at that meeting.
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