Nick Fuentes confronts Piers Morgan, asserting that one in 20 Black men commit murder versus one in 100 officially, justifying segregation based on Chicago and New York violence statistics. He explicitly identifies as a racist, defining it narrowly as skin-color discrimination while opposing interracial marriage and claiming white prejudice is a survival mechanism against daily threats in Black neighborhoods. Ultimately, the exchange highlights Fuentes's radicalization of crime data into a call for systemic racial separation and the normalization of hate speech as statistical fact. [Automatically generated summary]
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Crime Statistics and Bias00:07:22
The Piers Morgan and Nick Fuentez interview did not disappoint.
Damn good interview.
I want to come to something else you said.
This is where you talk about Jews, women, and blacks.
Let's just take a listen.
They're always coming up with, no, it's not the Jews.
No, it's not women.
No, it's not blacks.
It's actually really complicated.
No, it isn't at all.
Jews are running society.
Women need to shut the f ⁇ up.
Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.
And we would live in paradise.
It's that simple.
Okay.
Would you like to clarify what you meant there?
That's all true.
That's 100% true.
Everything I said in that clip is true.
Including that blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.
Yeah.
Yes.
But all of them?
No, for the most part.
What does the most part mean?
What percentage of American blacks would you like to see in prison?
Whatever the percentage is of the murderers, I think it's one in 20 black men will commit a murder in their lifetime.
So maybe let's say that 5%.
Oh, so you're talking about black people who murder people?
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
But you didn't say that.
That's what I said.
You just said blacks.
What do you think to be imprisoned for the most part?
You didn't clarify.
You were talking about black murderers.
Right.
Right.
No, you're right.
That's a good addition to that.
Of course that's what he's talking about.
He's talking about like what happened to Arena on the subway, the train or whatever it was in Charlotte, North Carolina.
He should have been locked up.
And that happens all over the country all the time.
He's obviously not talking about every black person in America.
He's talking about the criminals.
That's what he's talking about.
He's talking about the habitual offenders, the violent criminals that got over, I would say, five convictions.
There was a case just the other day in Portland, Oregon.
A black guy was trying to swap a knife for something from this white guy.
Yeah, both of them were homeless.
They got into an argument.
The black guy stabs the white guy.
The white guy gets pissed off, calls him an N-word.
He goes to trial.
They let the black guy go because the white guy called him the N-word after the fact.
Yeah.
You can't tell me that black guy doesn't have a criminal record and he should not be on the streets.
And I think when it comes to the violent criminals in the black community, I think it's a bit skew because these people are habitual offenders.
They never got locked up and they keep repeating over and over and over, committing violent crimes.
Aruska, Arena Aruska?
I mean, it goes on and on.
Yeah.
That's a great point.
Do you think it's funny?
Yeah, I do.
I think it's hilarious.
I think it's totally true.
Do you think a black American would find it funny?
You think that blacks should be imprisoned for the most part?
Blacks are my biggest fans.
I get high fives all the time.
They say, Snick Fuentes, I love your show.
They agree with me.
And you want to know why?
Here's the difference.
Black people are the most victimized by other black people.
You think black.
I've had a gun put on me twice.
Take a wild guess what that race of those people were.
Yeah, I've been violently attacked.
Guess what race of people it was?
It wasn't white people.
People want to live in the hood in the ghetto and get shot all the time.
That's what happens in the south side of Chicago.
You should come here.
I'll take you there.
We could go to Garfield Park.
My son went to Chicago University for a year, actually, several years ago.
Yeah, that's a bubble.
That's a bubble.
You think you're in Chicago and Hyde Park?
You don't know Chicago.
Go a little bit west.
See what it's like over there.
And I'll tell you, black people agree with me because they're tired of it too.
And maybe not most of them, but a lot of them agree with what I say about that because they know how it is.
That's why the first thing they do when they make a little bit of money is they go and leave to another neighborhood.
Okay, so what was similar?
That was my goal.
I want to live in a white neighborhood.
That's every black person's goal, to make enough money to get out of the hood.
When I mean hood, around black people.
Yeah.
Mind me again, the percentage of black men who commit murder in America.
What was the percentage you gave me?
It's one in 20.
One in 20.
It's one in 100.
No, it's one in 20.
No, no.
Less than one in a hundred black U.S. men commit murder.
That's one in a hundred?
He's saying it's one in 20.
That's a huge discrepancy.
One in a hundred is crazy, though.
Yeah.
You know how many millions of black men?
If one out of every hundred committed unallowed somebody, that number is too high.
So it's probably somewhere in the middle.
But I tend to lean more towards Nick and his side.
It's the most up-to-date crime statistics in America.
That's not true.
I've seen other statistics.
They say one in 20 will eventually commit a murder.
Your race means you're saying that five times as many black men commit murder as the official crime statistics say.
Yeah, there's a report, I believe, on X by Data Hazard.
I'll have to go and double check that for you.
But yes, there's some pretty shocking evidence that says that it's far more alarming than you would think.
Okay, but you would accept that the official crime statistics are one in 100 or you wouldn't accept that statistic?
I don't know.
I don't have it in front of me, but I've seen other evidence.
Like I said, Data Hazard on X, I believe, produced a report about a year ago.
It said 1 in 20.
But I mean, whether it's 1 in 20 or 1 in 100, that's a lot of people, Piers.
There's a lot of white people commit murder, too.
Well, they do, don't they?
Okay, but it's about proportionality.
I mean, white people are 65% of the population.
Blacks are 13%.
Yeah, so white people should commit 65% of the murders in this country, and they don't.
And 13, 15% of the population, whatever you say, whatever you want to say, how many black people is in this country, they commit about 35 to 40%.
Some people put that rate closer to 50% of the violent crime in this country.
Yeah.
So black people are overrepresented when it comes to violent crime.
And you know what's funny when people share that statistic, oh, white people commit 60% of the crime in America?
There's 60% of the population.
Where's the anomaly?
Where's the outlier?
Show me where there's a problem with white crime in America.
If you go to Japan, majority of the people who commit crimes there are Japanese.
That doesn't mean Japanese or Japanese crime is a problem.
That's because they're a majority of the population.
People don't look at the, how did he put it?
The opportunity.
Black people are overly represented when it comes to violent crime in our country.
And we only make up about 13 to 15% of the population.
That's a huge statistic.
Yeah.
And when he says this, that's one of his biggest arguments against black people.
It's just of the violent crime.
And I can speak to this.
I've lived in black neighborhoods, and I've probably mentioned this in some of our other videos.
When I was in the Marine Corps, I lived in San Diego.
I lived in the black side of town off of El Cohen Boulevard.
I came out to my car going to work.
I had a bullet hole in the side of my car.
It's just violent in those neighborhoods.
And I think anybody would tell you that more black people proportionally commit violent crime than white people.
Justifying Racist Logic00:04:29
And people vote with their feet.
People would rather pay a much higher property tax.
Most mothers.
What's with the interruptions?
I'm sorry.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
You know, you look at in Chicago, in New York, these neighborhoods are so stratified.
People would rather pay a high tax rate.
They'd rather pay a much higher property value to live in a less diverse, less black neighborhood because they don't want to live around the violence.
And I think.
Where's the people in this country like white people that say, you know what?
I want to move in a black neighborhood.
Yeah, I can't wait to make enough money so I can move into a black impoverished neighborhood.
Nobody says that.
Who wants to do that?
Nobody.
That when you look at even on the public transit, the subway, the blue line, you know, people don't want to go there because they know who occupies and menaces the public transit.
It is these people like Daniel Penny had to deal with.
It's people like Irina Zarutska had to deal with.
And that's just the uncomfortable reality.
Look, you've admitted you're a racist, correct?
Yes, 100%.
Okay.
Own it.
Okay, that's fine.
You're perfectly entitled in a free democratic society to stare down the barrel of his camera and tell me you're a racist.
People can judge you accordingly.
Many people who have assumed that you're racist will now have heard it from your own lips.
That's fine.
I don't think Nick Winters is a racist.
He's prejudiced.
Yeah.
I don't think he's racist.
A racist is a person that discriminates against people because of the color of their skin.
A racist is a person like he, he doesn't like interracial marriages.
He's not forcing other white people not to date interracially or have mixed babies or anything like that.
That's just his personal opinion.
That's how he's living his life.
He's not forcing his will on anybody else.
He's just sharing his opinions.
And he's thinking he's brought up about black folks and how dangerous it is to live amongst us.
Amongst us, that's not racist.
That's just FBI facts.
That's statistics.
That's just being a realist.
Yeah.
There you go.
That's the point.
The point of this interview is to go over the things you've said, which have led people to reach conclusions about you and to ascertain whether those conclusions are fair and reasonable or not.
That's it.
So I want to play you another clip.
This is where you talk about why white people are justified in being racist.
Let's take a listen to this.
First, white people are every single bit justified in being racist.
Every single bit justified to the extent that that means going out of your way to avoid black people when you see them.
Absolutely.
So white people should go out of their way to avoid black people when they see them.
Absolutely.
You think Piers Morgan is hanging out in the black areas of these, like Chicago, Houston?
You think he wants to go down there and hang out there?
Yeah.
And you know what?
Don't, white people, don't let these people press you into saying openly that you're racist.
I would say 99 times out of 100, you're not racist.
You're just prejudiced.
You just got to, you have, you, you see things and patterns and you, this is just, this is a survival mechanism.
It's okay to say these things because these are realities.
You're not making this stuff up.
Yeah.
This is all real.
Yeah.
It's not a figment of your imagination.
That would be wise.
Why?
Well, I'm going to let him talk.
Because it's a lose-lose proposition.
If you're Irina Zarutska and you don't walk the other way, you get stabbed to death and you die.
Exactly.
If you're somebody else and you walk on the subway and you stand you're a black person or something, maybe it's fine.
It's a lose-lose proposition.
So, no, I think that white people, I think that white people have been beaten into submission that we're afraid to tell the truth about it.
And the truth is that when you go into these major cities like New York or Chicago, I believe she was in North Carolina, there is a menace, which is young black, adolescent men.
They're extremely violent.
And we have been told that we have to pretend like they are every other person.
We have to be colorblind to that.
And we're supposed to go and be in the midst of all this danger.
And I think that at this point, it's gotten out of control.
Mass Shootings and Proportionality00:14:41
You look at the BLM movement, they said that the reason that black people are violent or the reason there's crime is because of police brutality, a redlining or all these other things.
They said we need to get rid of the police.
We need to defund them.
And a lot of cities did.
A lot of cities like Chicago, for example, the police change the rules of engagement.
They don't chase them.
It's not a felony if you steal a certain amount of merchandise.
They won't chase them on foot.
And now the city's totally up for grabs.
And now, whether you're in the Gold Coast or whether you're on the MAG Mile or you're in the worst neighborhoods in the city, you might get shot, you might get mugged, someone might run up on you.
And I tell my followers, it is better to be perceived as racist or racist and walk the other way and maybe keep your life than to say, I'm a good anti-racist.
I don't mind that this person's making me uncomfortable.
Maybe he's looking a little froggy.
I'm going to sit down because I'm a good person and get stabbed, mugged, whatever.
I thought it was a white person.
How do you feel about mass shootings at school?
They always bring up this when they try to demonize white people.
Like, how often does mass shootings happen at schools?
Yeah, there's more mass shootings in Chicago and our inner cities and black neighborhoods than this.
I mean, it's not even a comparison.
Every weekend.
Yeah, it's every weekend.
Pretty much every other day, but you don't hear about it.
Yeah.
I think they're bad.
Who do you think commits the vast majority of the mass shootings?
I'm sure it's white people.
Right.
So how do you feel about that?
I think that white people do more anti-social violence.
I think black people participate in more gang violence.
I think that's the difference.
What's the difference to the victims?
There's no difference to the victim, but it's a different kind of crime and it's a different proportion also.
Do you know what percentage of white people are school shooters?
Yep.
I know that the vast majority of mass shootings in schools in America this century were perpetrated by young white men.
And I'm what proportion of I'm curious.
I'm curious.
I'm curious whether your advice would be to people who have kids.
Wait, is my wife working?
Should they should they proportion?
Should they avoid should they avoid white people at school?
Should people with the kids at school avoid young white men at school?
No.
Okay.
Do you know?
Like that doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.
Like school shootings.
If that happened every week, like it happens in the inner cities.
In every major city?
Yeah, every weekend or every week.
Yeah, I would tell you to avoid going to school.
Yeah.
We're telling you to avoid black people because every weekend, every week, there's mass shootings in black communities.
Yeah, Dick has had a shooting in California.
It was at some kids' birthday party.
Yeah, four people lost their lives, right?
Yeah, kids lost their lives.
Yeah.
You don't hear about that happening in a white neighborhood.
I mean, this is every weekend in inner cities.
And it's funny where this stuff happens.
It's where they have the strictest gun laws.
Yeah.
You know what's funny?
You're trying to bring up school shootings, horrible, heinous crimes.
Yeah.
But when you look at it in totality compared to mass shootings in black communities, yeah, it's no comparison.
There's like a hundred times more shooting.
That's like that's probably a million times.
Yeah, exactly.
Because school shootings, how often do they happen?
Yes.
It's not every week.
It's not every month.
It's every day, every weekend, every week.
In black neighbors.
There's mass shootings in black communities.
And that's why.
So that's why I'm not scared of white kids.
Sending my kid to a white school.
I'm not scared because it doesn't happen that often.
So he's actually making the argument: send your kids to a black school.
Yeah, there you go.
Your kids unallowed.
Do you know what per capita means?
Do you know proportionality?
There are more black people proportionally that engage in violent crime or are involved in gangs, especially in these major cities, than there are white people that are school shooters compared to the entire white population.
And everybody understands that.
Two-thirds of mass shootings at school perpetrated by white people.
And what proportion of white men commit school shootings?
That's the question.
I've just told you.
It's 60 to 65% of the shootings by white people.
You're telling me what proportion of school shootings are committed by white people.
I'm saying what proportion of white people have committed school shootings.
Exactly.
Are you playing dumb or are you just not that?
What difference does that to the children lying dead on the ground?
See, now you want to jump on the victims.
The difference is you're asking, would you fear white people or black people?
And that's the difference.
The difference is that.
What I'm saying to you is by your logic, if we now have agreed that the vast majority of mass shootings in schools are committed by white people and predominantly young white men, then presumably your advice would be to avoid young white men.
No, because they perpetrate these massacres.
But it won't be because they're white, right?
So are you playing dumb or are you actually dumb?
But it's about the proportion now.
You are.
Hey, look, he says two-thirds of all school shooters are white people, right?
It makes a lot of sense because white people make up about 66% of the population.
So there's no outlier there.
They should be the majority of the perpetrators to commit mass shoots because they are the majority of the population.
That doesn't mean necessarily they should have avoid white kids because the school shootings, mass shooters in school, it's not an everyday occurrence like it is in black communities.
Yeah, in the black neighborhoods.
Yeah.
That's why people shooters get mass shootings.
Yeah, that's why all the same.
That's what I'm saying.
It makes logical sense to be scared to go into a black community because it's an everyday occurrence.
It doesn't occur every day in a white neighborhood or a white school.
Yeah.
It's not that big of a deal.
It doesn't happen that often is how I should say it.
Yeah.
You are because you're, well, I don't think you are dumb.
I think you're smart, actually, but you're deliberately avoiding per capita.
And everybody knows that's the difference.
What proportion of white men are school shooters?
It's probably 0.000001%.
What proportion of black men have committed violent crimes?
It's probably like 5%.
I don't know what it is off the top of my head, but it's very high.
And I would add to that, even as it concerns schools, why do you think parents pay a super high property tax to live in a school district where there's white people?
Because they know that if they go to the black school, it's going to be the bloods in the crypts.
It's going to be gangs.
It's going to be, you know, you talk about school shootings.
Nobody talks about all the school shootings that are committed by gangbangers in and around the school and all the other violence that's associated with that.
I mean, these schools in the south side of Chicago, you know, it's just not.
I have an answer for you, Nick.
So the proportion of the population who carry out mass shootings is actually the same for black and white.
For white people, the proportion of...
No, there is absolutely no way.
You need to fire your statistician.
Your fact checkers.
He's probably black.
I'll just give you that information.
He's nowhere in hell.
I will put my life on it.
That's totally false.
Oh, again, are you hearing it?
No, no.
I think the truth with your statistics is a lot of them don't bear much scrutiny.
We have a bunch of fact checkers checking all this in real time because you do have a tendency to just come out with a lot of old baloney.
And when you say, you know, it's true.
And when you're confronted with reality, you don't like it.
What's the figure?
What proportion of white people have committed school shootings?
With white people as the denominator and white people that have committed school shootings as the numerator, what's that percentage?
For both black and whites, the proportion of the population who carry out mass shootings generally is about the same.
No, no.
Tell me the number and then.
And yet the only focus of your attention is the black shootings.
He doesn't see the difference in proportion.
Blacks overrepresent themselves when it comes to shootings.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know what?
That proportionality, it goes over a lot of people's heads.
I don't know if it's going over Piers Morgan's head, but I don't know if he's doing it intentionally or whatever, but it goes over a lot of people's heads.
They cannot understand the concept.
Well, most people are not statisticians.
You got to understand the concepts.
I don't think he's failing to understand where Nick is coming from.
Right.
Black crime.
You don't want to live around black people.
You want to avoid black people.
You don't want interracial marriages or relationships that may produce black people.
And yet, when I point out to you that there are many parts of crime in America where actually there's a majority of white people that perpetrate them, you don't care.
They should be.
There's 60% of the population.
Right.
65% of the population.
When you look at crime statistics, like a lot of people have a confirmation bias.
Wow, 60% of the pedals in America is white.
Oh, man.
They must be all pedals.
No, it means you have to dig deeper.
You can't look at statistics and use that to confirm the confirmation bias that you have.
The reason why there's 66% of the people that commit that crime is because there's 66% of that population.
In the country.
In the country, yeah.
Yeah.
Have any interest in them.
It doesn't exercise your mind.
Maybe because you see, no one's buying this.
This argument lost.
No one is buying this.
Everybody understands per capita.
And people could even see what you're you race ahead and say, well, we're comparing the proportion of white and black school shooters.
I said, no, no, compare the proportion of school shooters that are white versus violent criminals that are black, because that was the basis of the monologue is that you're very likely, if you encounter black people or a young black man in the city, that you're going to be the victim of a violent crime, of a robbery, a mugging, a car theft, a carjacking, or a murder.
That's the difference.
And it's about proportionality.
And everybody sees past that because we all live in reality.
You want to talk about product of your environment.
People that live in New York, Chicago, LA, we live in reality.
We live in this environment.
We see what it's like.
And the threat, the danger in terms of probability is not, it's not even comparable.
And I would add, I would say this to your point.
If you're in a high school and you, and truly, if you see a white person who looks like a little autistic, he's got the SSRI stare and he reaches for a backpack.
People joke and say, run.
Similarly, if you see a jalopy pulling up with a bunch of black people in it and they got their pants around the ankles, you're going to run also.
And I'm saying the same thing.
The difference is the latter happens much more often.
It's much more common.
You know, in Chicago, there's like 10,000 carjackings and car thefts every day.
It's in the thousands.
It happens all the time.
How many mass shootings committed by Autistic SSRI white people?
I don't even know.
I mean, it's probably in the single digits in the last decade in this city.
That's the difference.
And everybody knows that.
But you're really just trying to carry water for liberal ideology.
It's an ideological.
No, no, no.
No, I'm really not.
I can absolutely say, yes, there is way too much black on black crime, for example, involving guns.
And black and white also.
Yes, but there is way too much gun violence in Chicago, right?
I mean, It's indisputable.
I've got no problem saying that.
The difference is I don't then lead myself into a thought process where I have to avoid all black people in case they shoot me.
And you've already conceded that you are.
He's not saying avoid all black people.
Yeah.
He's saying avoid all poor black people.
Well, if a black man is wearing a suit or you're in a fluid neighborhood, or if you're at a very nice restaurant and you see black people, oh, I don't want to sit beside those blacks.
They might shoot me.
Nick is not saying that.
Yeah.
But that goes without saying.
But I want to make a distinction.
Like when that point of view that Nick shared about the white kid digging his backpack and everybody run, those people, you would never hear them being called racist.
But the latter, the white, the black kids that we point out, they're young adult males committing all this crime, they call white people racist for pointing that out, for pointing it out.
It's like a double standard.
It's okay to demonize white folks because they're white.
And don't let them browbeat you into saying that you're racist.
You're not racist.
You're prejudiced.
You're prejudiced, just like everybody else.
Yeah.
Are racist.
So when people hear you then say, I don't want to be living anywhere near black people, they already have heard you say, I'm a racist.
So they assume you're doing that because of people's skin color.
I don't think you would probably dispute that.
He's doing that because of their behavior.
It's all about behavior.
It has nothing to do with your skin color.
All right.
Well, you're separating two different things.
The monologue when I said, I don't want to live around black people, that was after Irina Zaruska got shot.
And it's true.
I mean, they are largely in this city, in Chicago, the South Side, the West Side, huge criminal population.
And I don't want to live anywhere near it.
And I do.
I want to live in a white neighborhood.
I think that that's extremely desirable.
And I think even black people.
Again, Nick, you're perfectly entitled to that view.
But when you have obviously prefaced all this by saying, I am a racist, unashamedly.
You made him say that people will assume that all your thought processes about all of these issues are driven by an aversion to people based on their skin color, which is the purest personification of racism.
Well, it's not an aversion.
I would say it's the opposite.
I like my own people.
My own people are familiar to me.
And I think that's true across the board.
I think that people seek out other people that are like themselves.
And every other group does this, whether it's blacks, Hispanics, Asians.
You know, I get a lot of attacks when I talk about that I'm against interracial marriage.
And what's funny is that every other group is against interracial or inter-ethnic marriage.
Exactly.
A lot of people.
But when you're white and you do it, you're racist.
But all other groups, all other groups, racist, they can do it.
They're fine.
But when a white person does it, you're racist.
Hypocrisy in Interracial Marriage00:00:32
Muhammad Ali's got this video.
Said he wanted to have black kids.
He wanted kids to look like him.
Exactly.
He said, I forget, I'm probably going to George Bush the hell out of this, but he said, Blue Jays want to be with Blue Jays, Cardinals, Redbirds want to be with Redbirds.
Yeah.
But when a white person says he want to have a white family, he wants to have kids looking like him.
Oh, man, you're racist.
That guys are a disgusting, vile racist when all ethnic groups engage in that activity.