Hodgetwins dissect a Salt Lake City shooting where an immigrant near 300 West and 21st Street died after officers fired three shots at rocks he threw. While witnesses claimed a medical collapse, the host argues lethal force was unjustified against a non-threatening object, criticizing police for ignoring language barriers and the man's refusal of hospital care. Ultimately, the episode highlights fatal misunderstandings in policing, suggesting that de-escalation failures and racial profiling drove this tragedy rather than genuine safety threats. [Automatically generated summary]
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Illegal Immigrant Attack00:02:53
911, what's the address of your emergency?
We have a friend here.
He just got attacked in the middle of the street.
We are at the bottom.
Yeah, yeah.
What happened?
What do you say?
He's definitely an immigrant.
And if ICE is around, they're going to question him.
He's got a thick accent.
Give me your papers.
He get attacked.
He got attacked.
Okay, what is the address?
We are in 300 West, right in the side of the Chevron and 21st.
21st and 300 West.
Okay, are you at the Chevron or are you crossed by the McDonald's?
I'm close in front of the Home Depot.
Okay, I understand that, but there are multiple businesses.
I need to know exactly which one you're closest to.
Well, just a moment ago, the guy started to wake up here.
Where exactly is he?
Is he by the chevron or is he by the Home Depot?
He's by the Chevron.
Okay.
Okay, the Chevron is the Chevron.
Okay, I understand.
I need you to tell me, is he on the ground?
Is he able to stand up?
What exactly is he doing right now?
Okay, I'm getting information for the paramedics.
He's on the ground.
Don't close over here.
Sir, I need you to take a deep breath so I can ask you some questions, okay?
I'm getting help on the way.
Where is the person who attacked him?
Hello?
Okay, sir.
I need to ask questions so we can find the person who did this.
Bye, bye.
Sir, I need you to...
Bye.
That guy's just walking off.
I'm just not asking you to call me.
Yeah, I'll do a quick laugh.
You want to just hang out here?
How's it going, bro?
We got to call some dude who was just assaulted by somebody, but then, Tom, the guys over there like last year.
You sit down there.
Sit down.
Sit down.
You two, sit down over here now.
Okay, Bill.
Rocks and Mental Problems00:14:01
Man, you know they're illegal.
You have to communicate in Spanish with them.
That is crazy.
Yeah, you're pretty dark to be a Latino.
Latinos are dark.
Yeah, you want them Afro-Latinos.
No, but Latinos get really dark.
They're dark.
Yeah, yeah.
Like my wife's uncle, he was.
Yeah, Kenny's dad is pretty dark.
Yeah.
Sit down.
Both of you.
That is nuts.
Hang out with these two all the days.
I would not have the audacity to go live in another country where I don't even speak that language.
And they come up to me and try to talk to me in English.
And I'm steadily talking Spanish.
Yeah.
Well, I guess they're desperate.
And I'm sure that country's a shitholes.
Guys are just walking off right now.
Hey, get over here.
You, right here.
Sit down right here.
Why do you not listen to instructions when I tell you to sit down?
See what it is?
Sit down, okay?
It's a language barrier.
Yeah.
What's happening?
What's that?
What is happening?
When I walk out, you've got your hand up to these two.
Uh-huh.
So what's going on?
Um, uh, shoot.
Uh, I wasn't with him this time, and uh, um uh how you say uh like spit out, but uh like uh uh what's wrong with your knuckle?
Let me see.
What's wrong with your knuckle?
What do you mean?
Bleeding, bloody.
How are you all bloody?
What happened?
What happened to your hands?
My hands?
Yeah.
Is that from today?
That looks old.
Do you need medical to look at that?
Uh no.
I mean uh the uh how do you say the you guys uh you didn't like you might uh uh get over what's going on.
Well, I need you to tell me what's going on.
I mean uh I never done those guys.
He had a heart attack and they were trying to get medical here.
He wasn't attacked.
He was just collapsed.
Because then as soon as I show up he's got his hand off police to he's looking to fight up.
So they wanted to take him to the hospital and he was food.
So that's fine.
You need medical bus?
No.
Did you fall and pass out?
No, I did.
My legs is like kind of like how you say like just gave out?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, is that how you hurt your hand?
Uh-huh.
Okay.
So then what happened with these guys?
I never like how you say like that.
I never had a problem with them, but then when I sat through here, these guys beat me up.
And I believe the, I don't know, yeah, I don't know if I was you that I get that you guys gave.
And then somebody else came in more, how you say, like more police.
Are you talking about in the past?
Are you talking about in the past, like over at the Home Depot, McDonald's area?
Or today?
So these guys tried to fight you today?
Okay.
So witnesses are telling me that you collapsed for a medical reason and these guys were trying to help you, but you didn't want to go to the hospital.
So did they try to take you to the hospital and you said no?
This guy does not understand anything he's saying.
Right.
What's going on?
I need to understand.
Were you attacked or was someone trying to take you to the hospital and you were just freaking out?
Why doesn't the cop recognize that?
He's an idiot too.
Well, he's not an idiot.
Just trying to do his job.
But obviously there's a language barrier.
Why doesn't he...
It's probably DIR.
Are you having a condition that requires medical attention?
He's asking the same question.
Man, look at the stash on him.
That is one awesome mustache.
Salt Lake City Police.
That's big time.
That's big time.
That's Salt Lake City police right there.
Yeah, with the stash like that.
That's big time.
Your compliance is going to make this a lot easier.
If you're not going to talk to us about it, you get this every time we report somebody trying to...
He doesn't understand.
Yeah, why does it that like why don't they recognize there's a language barrier and that they're illegal?
I hope they don't rough him up because he can't speak that shit starts whooping his ass.
Why are you always getting into fights out here?
Do what?
Why are you always getting into fights out here?
I'm not a thing I get.
I've been out on you like two or three times of you claiming that you were assaulted by somebody.
The last time you had a pretty good black eye.
So what's going on?
We're trying to help you But every time we come out you don't want to give us any information if you don't want to tell us then we'll just leave and walk away I'd already walked away.
Yeah.
I'm like screw this.
Yeah.
Un momento.
Un momento.
Sounds like he knows Spanish when we speak to him in Spanish.
He just does that to make himself feel cool.
He knows a couple words.
Yeah, that's about it.
Good luck, hold those back, they're not yours.
Put them back.
Put them back.
Sit down.
I mean, is that illegal of him taking all those rocks?
Is that theft?
No.
You can pick up any rock you want to.
Yeah, but I know they pay for landscape and they pay for that to be there.
A couple rocks?
What's the value on that?
Will you actually arrest somebody and book somebody for taking two rocks?
You get the quote.
What's the value of them rocks?
Them rocks cost about two cents.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Sit down.
Hey, boss.
He doesn't have to stay.
He can leave.
Yeah, he's not an arrest.
See?
You want to do this over a rock?
Time to calm down.
Okay, comete means calm down.
Yeah.
He should just let him walk away.
Actually.
Hey, he's got a rock in his hand like a weapon.
Drop the rock now.
Wait a minute.
Pause it.
Y'all think that's a weapon?
Well, if he throws a rock at you, Kevin, hit you in the head.
You mean to tell me if you a police officer, a guy picks up a cup of rock, a couple rocks, and he's trying to walk away.
You're going to pull your gun on?
Firstly, V, though.
Don't, man.
Come on, man.
Here we go.
They're rocks.
Put the rock down.
He's got his gun drawn.
Get out of here.
Hey, you back there.
Clear out.
Put the rock down.
Put it down now.
Here we go.
He's a feet.
Wait a minute.
They actually pursued a guy that he didn't want your help.
And then you shot him because he had a couple rocks in his hand.
And that's why they pursued him because of the two rocks.
But it's not that property.
Drop the rock now.
This rock.
He didn't even know he's flying.
He's got a rock in his hand.
Drop the rock now.
Hey, you got that fire?
He's got his taste.
Put it down now.
Well, he's an idiot for even gesturing like he's going to throw the rock.
He's fleeing south.
Southeast.
Southwest.
Flash 21st.
5-3-3 shots fired.
I totally disagree with that.
Shooting a man because he had a rock in his hand and you scared to get hit by a rock?
Well, it could be a dangerous weapon.
I get it, but I wouldn't have fired.
No, I wouldn't have either.
Cops are trigger happy.
They are justified in shooting him, but I couldn't.
If you got an ounce of integrity inside of your body, I would never shoot a man as a police officer because he had a rock in his hand.
Well, I think he actually may have threw one.
Threw a rock that justified you shooting and taking his life.
That is.
5-3-3 shots fired.
Get medical here now.
And then you're going to call medical.
You got to help him.
That's crazy.
If I was a cop, I wouldn't have pursued him.
He didn't want your help.
And he just took two rocks.
More than anything, I didn't see any crime.
He was answering a call.
I guess there was some confusion that he might have been fighting somebody or he needs medical condition.
But the guy doesn't want your help.
He just wants to walk away.
Just let him walk away.
That's what I would have did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That dude's got some type of mental problem.
Why would you pick up a couple rocks to begin with?
You know, if you a police officer is going to look at it as a threat.
And in my book, it was a minuscule threat.
Nothing worth taking someone's life over.
Yeah, I wouldn't have did it.
I wouldn't have put it.
When he started to walk away, I would have disengaged.
Because at that point, you're not required.
I mean, okay, so you're chasing the guy.
So what's your goal?
What's your objective?
To make him drop the rocks?
Okay, now you can go.
What's the goal?
You trying to get his side of the story?
Yeah.
He doesn't want your help.
Why you even pursued himself?
I think he pursued him because he picked up those two rocks.
He charged him for theft, huh?
Yeah.
And they could be used as a weapon.
That's why they pursued him.
But I don't think that.
There's a chance he is a rock collector.
This blow got a nice collection in his house.
Yeah.
I don't think that's justified what the cops did.
Hell no.
I went in the comments on this video.
Nobody, everybody, nobody disagrees with what the cops did.
Nobody's saying it.
I know.
That's what's so disturbing about it.
Well, maybe we're the idiots.
Chief, he shot a man for taking two rocks.
Yeah, I'm not even laughing at.
Yeah, it's horrible.
I think it's horrible.
I mean, it's fun in a messed up way, but just people just so oblivious.
The cops are oblivious.
They can't get his story.
You should have recognized.
You just said you're going to walk away if he doesn't want your help.
Yeah.
And now he's running away from him.
He's digging your job for you.
Just let him run away with the two rocks.
That's a.
Well, according to the description, Hernandez started to walk south along the sidewalk.
Hernandez ran across 300 West.
As Hernandez got to the corner of 2100 South 300 West, he turned and threw a rock at an officer.
The officer fired and went round hitting Hernandez.
Officers detained Hernandez, began providing life-saving aid, and asked for a medical to expedite.
He took Hernandez to a hospital where he passed.
Okay, so he threw the rock.
Why did you fire?
The rock missed.
Did the rock hit you?
No.
I can understand a cop taking a person's life if the suspect has got a knife and he's pursuing you.
Yeah.
Or if he pulls a weapon?
Yeah.
But the dude's got a rock.
that could that could be equivalent to a slingshot well some people some cops just shouldn't be a cop i think that man's life is a lot more valuable than two rocks and then they fail to recognize that he couldn't even express any concerns of what the situation is about and he before he even took off he said i'm just gonna walk away the dude picks up two rocks and walk away and you chase after him Yeah,
he might have been taking the two rocks for protection from whatever situation he's dealing with.
I don't think those rocks was to harm the police officer.
Yeah.
If it was, he would have picked them up and throw them at the cops right then and there.
Right, right.
Anyway, I'm done talking about this.
This is a crazy story.
What a sad and, I mean, man, people just, I mean, I'm pro-cop.
Don't get me wrong.
They do a lot of good.
They take a lot of bad people off our streets to keep our families safe.