Hodgetwins - Black Woman Cries on TikTok after Pastor Prays for Charlie Kirk during Church Mass
Aired: 2025-09-17
Duration: 13:10


=== Hate Speech vs Faith (10:05) ===

[00:00:00]  I had to walk out of church today over comments about Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:08]  I'm on the verge of tears sitting in this parking lot because I'm having such a complex with my faith.
[00:00:21]  Because I genuinely don't understand how Christians are pushing this man as though hate didn't come out of his mouth and heart on a consistent basis.
[00:00:40]  That's so sad.
[00:00:43]  And you know what?
[00:00:45]  This woman's obviously in her mid-upper 20s, probably 28, 30.
[00:00:50]  If you think that dude is a vile, disgusting racist, ain't nothing I can, ain't nothing I can say to you that's going to change your mind because obviously you is living in a false reality.
[00:01:02]  If you think that man had an ounce of racism in his body, you're mentally crazy.
[00:01:10]  Well, see, this is the thing about Democrats.
[00:01:11]  You're so crazy.
[00:01:12]  You're hearing voices.
[00:01:14]  Because obviously, while you listen to Charlie Kirk, you hear somebody else talking to you.
[00:01:19]  Because I've never seen that man as a...
[00:01:21]  Well, this is the thing, Kevin.
[00:01:22]  I think a lot of what he say goes over their head and they take it as racism.
[00:01:27]  They don't get, they're not hearing his entire message.
[00:01:30]  And plus, Democrats, that whole philosophy now is hate speech is not what hate speech used to be.
[00:01:36]  Hate speech today to people like this, hate speech is, I hate what you're saying.
[00:01:41]  Yeah.
[00:01:42]  Real hate speech that preaches and talks down to certain groups of people to oppress them, to unalive them.
[00:01:49]  That's hate.
[00:01:50]  Black folks are very easy to manipulate.
[00:01:52]  They probably think that man was racist because he said black people commit a majority of the violent crime in this country.
[00:01:58]  That's a fact.
[00:01:59]  That's not racism.
[00:02:00]  That's just a fact.
[00:02:01]  And I don't think he's...
[00:02:02]  And if you actually took his message to heart, it might save your life.
[00:02:06]  And I think that's why he said what he said.
[00:02:07]  Yeah.
[00:02:08]  How are you going to fix a problem if you don't even acknowledge it?
[00:02:11]  Exactly.
[00:02:12]  But he's racist for that.
[00:02:14]  And I'm genuinely sitting here like, if this is the God that we serve, if this is the reflection of the God we serve, do I want to be a part of it?
[00:02:29]  Hey, Kev, this is one of those people that just goes to church on Sunday.
[00:02:32]  You hear what I'm saying?
[00:02:33]  These are just one of these people that go to church.
[00:02:34]  They don't read it on Sunday.
[00:02:35]  You don't really read the Bible.
[00:02:37]  Right.
[00:02:38]  Your only, your perspective on who Jesus God was is based off what you're hearing from your pastor.
[00:02:46]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:47]  If you actually read your Bible, it would get you to, it would get you through tough times.
[00:02:51]  You would have a lot of answers that you're looking for.
[00:02:53]  Yeah.
[00:02:54]  But since you haven't read your Bible, and probably only reason why you go to church is for food.
[00:03:00]  For what?
[00:03:00]  For food.
[00:03:01]  You know how to eat on after church?
[00:03:03]  Them collard greens and fried ticket.
[00:03:06]  Man, this woman don't look like she on EBT or nothing, man.
[00:03:09]  What's wrong with you?
[00:03:10]  I'm just saying, people go to church for the wrong reasons.
[00:03:13]  They go there for a social gathering.
[00:03:15]  Yeah.
[00:03:16]  I'm truly having a conflict with my faith because the leaders that we're supposed to be following are guiding us in this way to feel empathy and sympathy and like that this person was this great Christian and that the message that his wife gave was it started off with.
[00:03:46]  like praising God.
[00:03:52]  And I'm like, did we miss the chapter of hate?
[00:03:55]  That where's the chapter?
[00:03:57]  Show me the chapter of hate.
[00:03:59]  And then, you know, I can have we can have an understanding, but I don't know what hate you're talking about.
[00:04:04]  Yeah.
[00:04:04]  Um, this is the uh smartest voting block in the country.
[00:04:08]  Remember, Democrats said that?
[00:04:09]  Yeah, said black women are the most educated and smartest.
[00:04:12]  And then they tried to minimize white people in the south saying they were uneducated.
[00:04:16]  Yeah.
[00:04:17]  You know why, right?
[00:04:18]  Go say racist.
[00:04:21]  Most this is the brightest, everybody.
[00:04:24]  Yeah, unfortunately, this is our culture.
[00:04:26]  I would say people like Candice Owens, like my me and my brother, like ourselves, we are actually unicorns.
[00:04:34]  Anomalies.
[00:04:35]  Anomalies were very rare in the black community.
[00:04:37]  Yeah.
[00:04:37]  About 10%.
[00:04:38]  He endorsed, encouraged, and pushed.
[00:04:40]  I don't know where to go from here.
[00:04:47]  I don't.
[00:04:51]  Supporting politics and hide yourself behind the Bible to me is not something I want to be a part of.
[00:05:01]  And it's not, it's not the faith I want to be a part of.
[00:05:07]  So what do I do?
[00:05:09]  What faith?
[00:05:09]  I mean, one of the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not kill.
[00:05:13]  You should see automatically, if you read your Bible, if you actually understand Ten Commandments, you would condemn that.
[00:05:18]  But you're complaining about your church seem sounds like they had Charlie Kirk.
[00:05:25]  They held him to a degree that they actually cared about this man and they actually believed in what he was doing.
[00:05:32]  Well, that's just being a human being.
[00:05:33]  Yes.
[00:05:33]  And that's the message from the church.
[00:05:36]  Right.
[00:05:36]  But you have a problem with that.
[00:05:38]  I don't get it.
[00:05:39]  I really don't.
[00:05:40]  Breed your Bible.
[00:05:43]  I got up out of church and walked out.
[00:05:47]  And I'm at a battle within myself sitting here.
[00:05:50]  It's like, what do I do?
[00:05:54]  You walked out.
[00:05:55]  I don't want to be, I don't want him to be a reflection of what I believe.
[00:06:02]  And what do you do when your leaders and your pastor is saying that is the reflection?
[00:06:09]  To me, I feel like I'm smart.
[00:06:12]  I feel like I've worked hard to get where I get and to push a man who thought that I didn't have the thinking capacity to get to where I am, that I stole a white person's spot.
[00:06:23]  Like to think that that's see, that's my point.
[00:06:25]  When Charlie Kirk is talking, majority of his message just flies over their head.
[00:06:30]  They don't grasp what he's saying.
[00:06:32]  Yeah, he pretty much said that was actually happening in America.
[00:06:35]  They would choose someone less qualified because they were black or because there was a female or because they might be LGBTQ.
[00:06:44]  That was his message.
[00:06:45]  Yeah.
[00:06:45]  He didn't say you took that course of action.
[00:06:49]  He's saying that's happening in America and it's unfair to people that's more qualified for these positions.
[00:06:56]  You should agree with that.
[00:06:57]  Yeah, but say that's the thing.
[00:06:59]  The message goes over here.
[00:07:00]  He doesn't grasp it.
[00:07:01]  So, but check this pastor out.
[00:07:03]  Watch this.
[00:07:04]  This is the church you can go to.
[00:07:06]  Kirk did not deserve to be assassinated.
[00:07:11]  But I'm overwhelmed.
[00:07:14]  Seeing the flags of the United States of America at half-staff calling this nation to honor and venerate a man who was an unapologetic racist and spent all of his life sowing seeds of division and hate into this land.
[00:07:37]  That is crazy.
[00:07:38]  That is insane.
[00:07:40]  Listen at the black church.
[00:07:41]  Yeah.
[00:07:41]  Listen to that.
[00:07:44]  And hearing people with selective rage who were mad about Charlie Kirk, but didn't give a damn about Melissa Hortman and her husband when they were shot down in their home.
[00:07:59]  Tell me I ought to have compassion for the death of a man who had no respect for my own life.
[00:08:08]  This dude's a Democrat pastor.
[00:08:10]  Those people that... Politics don't belong in the church, really.
[00:08:13]  Yeah.
[00:08:14]  But those people that lost their lives, there were Democrats.
[00:08:17]  They were Democrats.
[00:08:18]  What did Democrats do for them?
[00:08:20]  Did they stand up for them?
[00:08:20]  Did they hold vigils?
[00:08:22]  No, it's not in your party's mindset to do something like that.
[00:08:26]  But I didn't celebrate their death.
[00:08:28]  Exactly.
[00:08:29]  If the president would have said, fly the flag at half-mass, I wouldn't have disagreed.
[00:08:34]  There are elected officials, even though I disagree with their opinions.
[00:08:38]  Yeah.
[00:08:38]  I mean, it's just basically, it's easy.
[00:08:41]  Just be a human being.
[00:08:43]  Yeah.
[00:08:43]  Yeah.
[00:08:48]  I am sorry.
[00:08:51]  But there's nowhere in the Bible where we are taught to honor evil.
[00:08:59]  And how you die does not redeem how you lived.
[00:09:06]  Who's saying that?
[00:09:07]  He was a great man to begin with.
[00:09:12]  You do not become a hero in your death when you are a weapon of the enemy in your life.
[00:09:19]  Stop it.
[00:09:21]  Why didn't this apply to George Floyd?
[00:09:22]  Y'all built this man's statues.
[00:09:24]  Yeah.
[00:09:26]  Punching women.
[00:09:27]  That dude was a career criminal.
[00:09:29]  Yeah.
[00:09:30]  Y'all didn't have that same energy for him.
[00:09:32]  Yeah.
[00:09:33]  And he was a despicable human being.
[00:09:35]  Yeah.
[00:09:35]  But I wouldn't celebrate his death.
[00:09:37]  I couldn't even watch the video because I was horrified by what's happening.
[00:09:41]  But Charlie Kirk was no George Floyd.
[00:09:44]  This dude was, he was very intelligent, highly influential.
[00:09:49]  Yeah.
[00:09:49]  Had a great impact on a lot of people's lives for the better.
[00:09:53]  He's the symbol of debate and freedom of speech.
[00:09:56]  Yeah.
[00:09:57]  And it's like, and you're calling him evil because he shared some opinions that you don't like.
[00:10:02]  No, again, a lot of times his message goes over their head.

=== Debating Historical Contributions (03:04) ===

[00:10:05]  They don't grasp it.
[00:10:07]  He's not being racist.
[00:10:08]  He's being truthful and honest.
[00:10:10]  But as soon as he starts saying truthful that you don't like, then you start tuning them out and you don't hear the entire message.
[00:10:16]  That's what it is.
[00:10:17]  These people in that church are standing up applauding this man.
[00:10:20]  Yeah.
[00:10:21]  They don't get it either.
[00:10:23]  Yeah.
[00:10:24]  Yeah.
[00:10:30]  I can abhor the violence that took your life, but I don't have to celebrate how you chose to live.
[00:10:39]  About you, but I came to tell you today I come to the sanctuary being overwhelmed.
[00:10:46]  You know overwhelmed.
[00:10:49]  I'm overwhelmed daily finding the historical lies of the narrative of white supremacy and the nation that caters to white guilt and forces me to prove the equality of my blackness every day.
[00:11:06]  I am overwhelmed.
[00:11:08]  Listen to the voices of those who think they have this singular right to define and determine who belongs in America and who is an American when it was my forefathers and my foremothers who built this land.
[00:11:26]  Well, the Constitution determines who's an American.
[00:11:30]  If someone comes to this country illegally, they don't belong here.
[00:11:34]  Point blank.
[00:11:35]  And for you to say you built this country, your ideas, black people's ideas did not build this country.
[00:11:41]  Your labor helped build it, but you didn't have the idea.
[00:11:44]  Without the idea, y'all had nothing to build, but they built it.
[00:11:50]  You could go to Africa.
[00:11:51]  What did y'all build there?
[00:11:53]  Y'all can't even get along in Africa.
[00:11:54]  Y'all got that continent broken up into like 500 different countries, and y'all all look the same, and you still can't get along.
[00:12:02]  But you're going to come here and blame the white man for your shortcomings.
[00:12:07]  There you go.
[00:12:09]  I am overwhelmed.
[00:12:11]  Yeah, your brain is with gun violence and mass shootings and threats against historically black colleges and universities that ain't had nothing to do with anything that went down this past week.
[00:12:28]  I ain't heard about it.
[00:12:29]  Look at that dude sitting down.
[00:12:31]  He's not even standing up because he knows this is tom foolery.
[00:12:34]  Death threats against historical black colleges.
[00:12:37]  Who's condoning that on the right?
[00:12:40]  And why would even why would someone call a historical black college and do death threats?
[00:12:46]  Why?
[00:12:47]  They had nothing to do with what happened to Charlie Kirk.
[00:12:50]  It's like they make it up as they go.
[00:12:52]  There's all kinds.
[00:12:53]  I got all kinds of black fatigue.
[00:12:56]  I'm fatiguing real.
[00:12:58]  Oh, this is crazy.
[00:13:01]  This is crazy.
[00:13:02]  That isn't happening in a church.
[00:13:04]  That's not a church.
[00:13:06]  That's not a church at all.
[00:13:08]  That's a Democrat rally.