Hodgetwins analyze the Grand Rapids shooting of Congolese refugee suspect by Officer Hoggs, criticizing the lack of backup during a traffic stop involving mismatched plates. The host condemns the fatal headshot and subsequent futile CPR, while accusing activist Ben Crump of profiting from Black deaths. He argues that obeying commands prevents 99.9% of shootings, contending that groups like Black Lives Matter wrongly encourage resistance against white officers, thereby escalating violence rather than saving lives. [Automatically generated summary]
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Protecting People Against Themselves00:05:02
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More often than not, there's no tickets available and they're going to turn you away.
Yeah.
It happens all the time.
I just hate to see you when you, that long walk back to your car, that walk of shame.
I hate it.
What happened in Joplin?
Happens a lot of time.
Yeah.
But anyway, we're going to talk about this police involved shooting.
Yeah, happening.
It's in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Yeah, a young man lost his life.
To my understanding, he's a Congolese refugee.
Refugee.
So his family's here, too.
Let's start with the video.
This is a police officer's body cam.
No shit.
I'm just doing some commentary, man.
You take it easy.
Do just another damn job, man.
Can we take a break, man?
Give me some coffee and donuts.
Hey, stay in the car.
Stay in the car.
Hey, stop it right there.
Stop it right there.
Hey, if I'm a cop and the dude's already out of his car, this guy's a red flag for me.
I'm going to go ahead and tell him to get back in his car.
I'm going to go back in my car and call for backup.
I mean, that's an option.
That is a great option.
How many times have you seen a cop tell somebody get out the car?
I'm not getting out of the car.
This guy gets out the car and it's raining.
Huge red flag.
But you know what?
And whenever you're a police officer, man, all these curveballs come at you.
I mean, they put you in several scenarios, but whatever you're not expecting will happen as a police officer.
That's how the world works.
And another thing I want to add, these police officers by themselves, you're setting up these police officers to make a mistake.
You're setting them up to fail.
It's dangerous for the cop.
Yeah.
It's dangerous for the person they're pulling over.
Yeah, it's dangerous for everybody.
Because sometimes you have to protect these people against themselves.
Yeah, yeah.
So if you got two cops, then you can actually protect the idiot who's not following directions by quickly subduing them and getting it handled.
But when you have one guy, it's more likely.
Because that's one of the hardest things I learned when I used to catch shoplifters.
Made over a thousand arrests.
I've never been a cop, but I made arrested shoplifters.
The hardest thing, whether it's a frail old woman on a damn respirator, it is hard as hell to get somebody's hands behind the back.
I don't care how big and strong you are.
Yeah.
And when it's only one...
Brackheads are strong, though.
Them damn crackheads, man.
I see a crackhead, I just let him walk.
I just call the cops.
Because he's going to have way more stamina than me.
But anyway, these police officers, when you're going to arrest somebody and they only see one officer there, they're much more likely to fight you and resist and try to get away.
When they say two people there.
Oh, there's like, oh, man.
I'm not going to even try.
There's two of them.
I mean, I would think.
I mean, that's common sense.
I would think if I was a criminal.
Oh, it's just one?
Yeah.
Okay, yum officers.
Give these police officers a partner to be with them.
This job is way too dangerous.
You got this man by himself in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Yeah.
Just stop beating a dead horse.
Need to fund the police, but yeah.
There you go.
In the car.
Dude, I'm stopping you.
Do you have a license?
Do you have a license?
For what?
I'm stopping you.
Do you have a license?
What done?
Do you have a driver's license?
Do you speak English?
Yes.
Can I see your license?
What the other one?
The plate doesn't belong in this car.
Do you have a license or no?
Do you have a driver's license?
Where is it at?
It's in the car.
Get it for me.
What happened?
The plate does not belong in this car.
What do you think?
You think you don't know the plates don't match?
He probably knows his plates don't match.
I would think, right?
I've never drove a car.
My plates never match.
When they did, it's because I changed it.
No, no, no.
Hey, stop right there.
They totally got to get the driver's license.
He's a yeah, right there.
For some odd reason, he slams the door and he starts to walk away.
I don't know why he would do that.
Yeah, where's the license?
Pursuing a Mismatched Plate00:12:27
But anyway, okay, first thing first: if you don't resist, yeah, if you don't resist, more than likely, nothing's gonna uh bad happen to you.
I'll give you a perfect example.
They got it up in the subway up in New York, shopped the subway.
Yeah, he's a tourist.
Yeah, damn terrorist, right?
Cop locates him.
He doesn't resist.
He gives up.
He surrenders.
No incident.
Nobody's killed.
Nobody's hurt.
Yeah.
If you obey cops' commands, 99.9% of times, you're not going to get shot.
Yeah.
But this guy, I don't know why people just don't put that out there.
When you see these incidents, like Black Lives Matter, if you really gave a damn about black people, you would.
I've never heard y'all say this.
Do not resist arrest.
Follow the cops' commands.
Why don't y'all ever say that?
Y'all actually want people out here behaving like this.
Y'all encouraging it.
You're condoning it.
If you don't talk down about it, you're condoning it.
Right.
And if you really believe that there's white supremacists pulling over black people and hunting them down like they're animals, that's the first thing I would do if I'm trying to preserve life.
Do not resist these people racist.
They will kill you if you give them an opportunity.
But you're not doing that.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let's keep rolling.
Stop.
1915.
That was right.
Can't go nowhere with passballing now.
Stop.
That is radio too.
Stop.
Stop.
Okay.
Stop.
Stop.
You turn him off behind your back.
At this time, most people are exhausted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
1950.
Oh, he just called for backup.
Yeah.
But hindsight is almost 2020.
Yeah, they're huffing and puffing.
He's exhausted.
Stop.
Stop resisting.
Taser.
He grabbed his taser.
I don't like them damn things.
Put them away.
Let go of the taser.
Hey, can you stop right there, real quick?
Yeah.
I haven't seen too many instances where these cops.
I'm thinking the rationale, you give the cop the taser, it's going to preserve human life.
They don't have to pull that weapon as much.
But this is the third situation where the cop has pulled a taser and it escalates everything.
Yeah, and it doesn't go wrong.
I mean, I think the best time to use a taser is like actually when he's running away from you.
When you're hand-to-hand close combat, you give them a great opportunity to grab a taser just like he's doing.
This happened in Atlanta, right?
The cop with the taser?
It was close combat.
Got the taser was two cops.
Got the taser.
He took off running.
Yeah, you don't pull the freaking taser.
Yeah.
Even though the one in Atlanta, I think.
I think the best opportunity to use a taser is when you have a space in between you and the person.
If you're too close, that's just going to go bad.
And then you had the one scenario when that police officer said, taser, taser, taser, but she actually pulled a service pistol and she's shot.
I mean, that's two.
This is three.
I mean, I know the rationale y'all want police officers to have this taser because you want to keep them preventing them to have to use deadly force.
But I think it just more than anything, it escalates it.
Yeah.
I mean, personally, if I was a cop and I'm by myself, I would like to see cops when they're trained.
I mean, do you have to pursue this guy?
Yeah.
I mean, can't you just call in for backup?
I mean, personally, I would not be quick to like chase somebody because if I'm in an altercation with them and I have to use my service weapon, now my whole life is changed forever.
Yeah.
I mean, why don't I don't, I would like to see y'all train the cops to sit back and wait.
Just calling for backup because that guy's not going anywhere.
He's got flip-flops on his pants.
I mean, where is he going?
He ain't going nowhere.
I would walk over to his partner and say, hey, where your boy going?
I got you, Carl.
You ain't going nowhere.
I mean, you can go ahead and pursue him, but once you see yourself in a position where they're resisting arrest, why not just pull your service weapon and back up and wait for backup?
That's just me personally.
Yeah, and you're putting yourself in a dangerous position.
I know you're being a police officer, you're doing your job, but you got to look at it like this.
You're by yourself.
You have no partner.
Your department don't even care about you, really.
And you're going to go out and put yourself in harm's way by chasing somebody.
I mean, the dude had expired tags or his plates didn't match or whatever.
You're pursuing him.
You're in the neighborhood.
He's got another man in the car with him.
You're chasing him?
Yeah.
I mean, it's not even worth it.
It's not even worth it.
Just call for backup, right?
Yeah, I would.
I mean, that's what I would do.
I mean, of course, hindsight is 2020.
We've never been cops.
I've never been cops, but I'm telling you right now, cops have a lot of problems.
Y'all have backup.
I'd approached him and I would have called for backup as soon as I got out of the vehicle.
And if he got physical, I would have watched him run.
He ain't going nowhere, I'm telling you.
Yeah, and up to this point, you haven't did anything necessarily wrong.
No, you haven't.
You haven't did anything wrong.
Everything you've done right now, I'm thinking you're pretty much by the book.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, first of all, if the guy doesn't resist, it doesn't have to go.
It doesn't happen here.
You know?
He can keep rolling.
He has his taser.
Yeah.
You're fighting over it.
What's the problem?
What's the problem?
Did you hear that?
Yeah, I don't get that.
What's the problem?
All right, now his body cam got deactivated.
He's already been shot.
They're giving him CPR.
This is one of the things that with police departments.
It didn't look like you was giving him CPR, huh?
I look crazy as hell.
Yeah, I mean, at this point, I've seen cops shoot people and handcuff them.
It just looks stupid.
It looks like you don't care about the person you just shot.
And you just, this man has just been shot in the back of the head.
And they're giving him CPR.
I mean, at this point, he's a vegetable.
He's brain dead.
You pump and trying to keep blood pump.
It doesn't matter.
He's brain dead.
You shot him in the back of the head.
I mean, I don't care if you have a defibrillator on you.
You ain't bringing him back.
You ain't bringing him back.
I mean, just.
I said, we've said this.
I think it looks dumb.
Yeah, it doesn't make cops look very smart.
You shoot a man in the back of the head and you're giving him CPR.
Yeah, I mean, but that's how they're trained.
I would say stop training cops to do that because he's dead.
Or stop telling cops don't shoot people in the back of the head.
I mean, I can understand if you shot him in the shoulder and his heart stopped and you're waiting for the ablance to come.
Yeah, there's a chance you could keep him alive.
But you shot him in the back of the Mandula ablingata, look like.
But his camera got turned off.
The lawyer, Ben Crump, is trying to say that he intends to turn it off.
I don't know if he intentionally turned it off.
I don't think so.
But I'm thinking once you're wrestling with the guy, it might have got turned off.
There's another angle.
His friend.
Yeah, his friend's in the car.
That's another angle.
Let's go to that angle.
Doesn't matter if it got turned off.
It's another angle.
Yeah, it's a moot point.
Yeah, it's a moot point.
It's not relevant.
Okay, so he pulls his gun.
He says he's dropped a taser and he pops him in the back of the head.
Yeah.
Now, see, that's all you have to show.
So, I mean, I'm going to tell you like this.
If I'm a police officer, okay, you feel like your life's at risk.
Okay, I understand that.
Yeah.
But you still got the upper hand on him.
You got to understand if you're going to pull that trigger, how is the jury going to see this?
Yeah.
That's the most important thing.
It's not based on how they train you.
Yeah, I understand you feel like your life is at risk.
He's got your taser.
But the taser is not pointed at you.
You still have control of the situation.
Yeah, is it functional?
Yeah, is it functional?
I don't know.
That's information we don't have.
But I'm telling you right now, if I'm Officer Hoggs, I'm not even in this situation.
It's not worth it.
It's not worth it nowadays.
Yes, it's not worth it for you cops.
You guys put your lives on the line, and now this is front page news, and people don't understand what it is to be a cop.
So why don't y'all take that in consideration?
I understand y'all have a job you got to do.
But I'm thinking there's a better and safer and smarter for you, each individual cop, way to do things.
Like you don't have to pursue him.
If you do pursue him, I mean, you don't have to pursue him.
Call in for backup.
If you do pursue him, pursue him, and then you can't get the situation handled.
Back off until your partners arrive.
And then you handle the situation.
Hey, look, man, if you're a police officer nowadays, man, before you pursue these people, think about your family, your wife, your kids, your mortgage, your career as a police officer.
Don't pursue these people.
Wait for backup.
Now you got to deal with Black Lives Matter and you got to deal with this vulture, Ben Crumb.
Deep down inside, this man is happy another black man is dead because if they really want to save black lives, they would tell these people to stop resisting.
Yeah, I mean, this dude would go broke if black guys stopped down to the hands of white police officers.
He would go broke.
This site makes a living.
Yeah, and they're going to call you racist.
They're going to say you hunting him down, which is a lie.
Yeah, needless to say, if the guy doesn't resist, we're not even talking about this.
If the cop is black, we're not talking about this.
99.9% of the times.
But I think whenever a police officer is going to pop someone in the back of the head, it's going to get some news cuz.
Yeah.
That, I mean, man, shooting somebody in the back of the head, I don't know.
Yeah.
I'm glad I'm not going to be on that jury.
That is a tough decision.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right?
It's very tough.
I mean, I wish the guy would have just stopped playing dumb and just follow his commands, but.
And the thing I want to point out, you're by yourself.
You have no partner.
Well, if you had a partner, they could probably diffuse.
Yeah, but don't.
I mean, I'm a police officer, and I pull over somebody and they hop in the car.
I'm waiting for backup, especially because he's black and you're white.
They're going to hold you to a higher standard than that black guy who's resisting arrests.
He's not obeying commands.
He's driving around with mismatch tags.
More often than not, the guys might have got a warrant.
The car might be stolen.
The dude's breaking.
The man who ended up losing his life, he put himself in that position, but they do not care because you're white and he's black.
Yeah, look like your friend would have said, Dude, just put your hands behind your back.
He was actually telling the cop he was in the wrong for what he was doing the whole time.
Yeah, I mean, I don't get it.
I think a lot of these people just don't get it.
Nobody's gonna teach them to get it.
Yeah, they're protesting.
Um, yeah, and it's like nobody's bringing like these protesters.
I mean, none of them are saying this fact.
Yeah, if you don't resist, they don't care.
And me and my brother, we're pro-police.
Yeah, we stand with the man in blue, but that's not going to save you.
It's not going to keep you from getting doxxed.
It's not going to keep your parents, your family, the people you care about getting harassed, run out of town.
Yeah, I just, I would just like to see the don't even.
If you're a cop, don't even pursue these guys.
I mean, you could pursue them when you have backup.
You could just, yeah, you could take charge of situations.
Okay, he's running up the street calling in for backup.
Okay, I'm walking down the street so he just turned down this alley.
You can do that.
You don't have to put it in the back.
I'm in foot pursuit and just keep your distance.
I mean, you could have shot him with the taser when you was actually chasing them, but once you're in hand-to-hand combat, I mean, I know this is a high-trip 2020, but if I'm from, if I'm a cop, that's how I'm approaching every situation.
Yeah, if you're ready for me, I will shoot you in the back with a taser quicker than shit.
Right.
I'm going to watch your ass lock up and I'm going to come up.
I'm going to come.
I'm not going to pull my taser when I can't get you because it's close.