Andrew Brown Jr. and the release of his Elizabeth City, North Carolina body-cam footage spark debate over police tactics versus public pressure. Hosts critique officers arriving in a single pickup truck rather than a SWAT team, noting fatal shots fired after Brown moved away from immediate threats despite claims of armed danger involving heroin and fentanyl. While one host defends law enforcement against defunding arguments, the discussion highlights the district attorney's justification conflicting with the family's settlement, ultimately questioning whether the shooting was necessary once the element of surprise was lost. [Automatically generated summary]
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Why Removing Cops Won't Help00:14:26
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But anyway, the body cam footage of the shooting of Andrew Brown Jr. and I think it was Elizabeth City, North Carolina.
Yeah, North Carolina.
It finally got released.
Finally.
Finally got released.
Well, I think the judge put it on hold at first.
The judge didn't want to like bow down to the mob.
So they took the time of releasing it.
They finally released it.
So now we can see exactly what happened.
Yeah.
And as you can see, Kevin's Warren defend the blue.
I defend the police.
I mean, who?
Yeah.
Society would be horrible with no cops.
I don't know why people think I'd be like a plus.
Yeah.
If there's nobody forced law.
Man, I think, I mean, doing away with the cops, man, that's not going to make life better.
It's going to make life worse.
Can you imagine a serial killer rapist?
They could just do whatever they want.
Ain't nobody going to hunt them down or look for them.
Yeah.
There's no damn police there.
Now, if you kill somebody, oh man, I hope I ain't leaving the evidence.
Hope the cops don't find it.
Man, did I leave a hair there?
Man, there's a damn camera at the intersection.
Oh, man, I hope the cops don't find out.
No cops, none of that.
Yeah.
Free reign.
Yeah.
But anyway.
And you know, before they put out the body cam footage, a lot of his family was saying he was executed, that he was unarmed.
That he was unarmed.
Yeah.
But I'm just going to say he had followed all the commands.
Remember that?
Yeah.
But I want to tear down this idea that police are hunting down black people.
Yeah.
They wasn't just driving down the street and said, look, there's a black guy.
Let's get him.
Yeah.
They had a warrant.
This dude had prior interactions with the cops.
This dude was selling drugs.
Not only was a marijuana, not cocaine.
I mean, you can function on both of them.
You can function good on cocaine in marijuana.
I think personally, cocaine and marijuana should be legal.
Cocaine too?
Yeah, cocaine, man.
All it is is a stimulant, man.
Doctors and lawyers take a couple lines for you even going to trial or go to surgery.
Especially if you're doing heart surgery.
They had to do a couple lines, man, because they want to baby concern.
Man, shut up.
I'm just saying.
If you in jail for heroin, I mean, for marijuana, you shouldn't be there.
If you're in jail for cocaine, you shouldn't be there.
I mean, that fence.
Now, if you're selling heroin, you should be in jail.
That is damn, that is toxic.
That is pure fentanyl.
Yeah.
That's method.
It ruins lives.
It ruins families.
Yeah.
I mean, cocaine to an extent.
Nah.
I mean, it might ruin your erection, but it ain't going to ruin your life.
Oh, babe, I did too many lines tonight.
It's not working right now.
All right.
So, but this is what Andrew Brown, that's why there was executing the war.
This dude was selling drugs.
He was a cancer in his own community.
Yeah.
He's ruining people's lives.
He was selling heroin with fentanyl in it.
Like heroin wasn't enough.
He put some fentanyl in there.
Yeah.
So that's why they're there.
Not because he's black.
Yeah.
It has nothing to do with his race.
Yeah.
So this is what happened.
Let's look at the body cam footage.
Yeah.
Hold up, man.
Stop the video.
No, hold up.
Let it go a little bit.
Man, that don't look like a SWAT team to me.
Yeah.
That looks like a landscaping crew.
Looks like y'all finna go cut the grass and trim some hedge.
Stop, stop, stop.
Okay, I told the foul language.
These are not Christians out there.
Mother I mean, I'm not laughing at what happened.
It's horrible that he died, but I'm just laughing.
Y'all sell like a damn scene out of Grand Theft Auto.
Seriously.
I think what I've looked, when I think of a SWAT team, I'm thinking of multiple armored vehicles.
I'm thinking y'all gonna box me in.
Y'all got one truck and seven guys in the truck.
Y'all's feet dangling at the back.
I mean, y'all look like a landscaping crew.
They look like y'all look like a bunch of Mexicans.
Get ready to go cut the grass, man.
You people are white.
Y'all should do way better than this shit.
Shut up.
Let me do this.
Wait a minute.
You white people have set the ball high.
You ain't meeting your own expectations.
Well, that whole defund the police.
Man.
Screwed you guys over.
Y'all just get one truck.
Yeah, I met my wife is from Mexico.
Her uncle Javier.
He had a truck just like that.
He was a lady.
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw y'all pulling up in that damn truck.
Because, you know, you see the TV shows.
Like Chicago PD, they got some awesome armored vehicles.
Y'all, y'all pulling up in that like anyway.
I mean, it's a small city.
Maybe they don't have the funding.
Y'all need some more funding.
Definitely.
I'm telling right now, y'all pulling up in a pickup truck.
Seven of y'all, y'all need some more funding.
And it looks like the guy, I mean, look like y'all didn't really have surveillance on the house.
The guy was inside of his car already.
I mean, I don't know why you would execute a warrant when the dude's in the car.
Yeah, I would press.
Why do y'all keep trying to grab these people at that house?
When people are close, the closer they are to home, the more brave they get.
I'll be grabbing these people right when they come out of a massage parlor or a grocery store when they got groceries.
I mean, especially after he got that happy ending, he coming out, he's loose as a noodle.
Then I put that gun in his face.
Or when he's coming out, he's got like a handful of steaks or something.
Yeah, some groceries.
Yeah, but I don't think, I mean, you want that element of surprise.
You want the element of surprise.
Y'all rolling up, he's sitting in his car.
Look like y'all would just kept on down the fucking street.
And the thing is about when you, when you come, I mean, they didn't have no surveillance in the house, obviously, because who would execute a warrant when they're in the car?
You are asking for it.
That's not.
And you want to keep...
You want to stay in control.
You're not.
And I'm not a police officer, never been, but I have arrested over a thousand people.
I used to do loss prevention.
Yeah, we've arrested over a thousand people.
Yeah, shoplifters.
Yeah.
Some of them felons, burglary.
Some people had knives, but yeah, I've got a lot of experience arresting people.
And the main thing you want on your side is the element of surprise.
I didn't have that.
I was so damn good when I was doing loss prevention.
I wouldn't even identify myself.
They be walking thinking they got away.
I'll run up on and just put the cuffs on you.
I wouldn't even ID myself.
They like, hey, what the hell's going on?
So you an arrest for shoplifter.
Well, you, well, we had our baggage around our neck.
So when they seen the cuffs on, you was identical.
Yeah, I wouldn't tell them.
Hey, cop page, SWAT team.
Hey, hey.
I ain't doing all that.
I'm going to come up to you and say, hey, you got a flashlight?
You don't?
Man, just don't move.
You want that element of surprise, man?
Yeah.
Y'all coming out.
SWAT, get out of the car.
Don't move.
You scared that black girl.
Well, they didn't have the element of surprise.
He's in the car.
I heard one gunshot.
There was two officers in front.
Can we pull back up the footage?
Yeah, put up the footage, man.
Pull it back up.
Oh, you got to start it.
Let's just play it.
Let's play it.
Let me see your head.
Hey!
Hey!
Stop.
Okay, I heard one gunshot.
Yeah.
Probably because those two police officers right in the front.
Yeah.
So you have every right to shoot this man right there because you think you're in fear for the life of your fellow comrades.
Yeah.
You think he's going to run them over.
So at this point, you can shoot.
Yeah, let me say this.
The two officers that was in front, you can keep it up.
The two officers in front of the car, if they felt like their life was at risk at any point, they had the right to shoot, but they did not.
I want to make that point clear.
They didn't.
They didn't feel like their left was at risk.
But I did hear a gunshot.
So maybe one of their partners.
Well, back up the video, Genet.
Look at it one more time.
He hit one of the guys right there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a guy right there.
There's a house right there.
So his life is at risk.
That's enough.
Just go ahead and play it.
Do it real.
Yeah.
His life is at risk.
What?
Hey, okay, stop it right there.
Hold up.
Keep going.
Keep going a little bit.
I don't know why you're asking for his hands at that point.
I mean, he's in the car and he's like this.
Do y'all think he just all of a sudden changed his mind?
Yeah.
But I want to say this.
That's why he hit the tree.
Yeah.
I want to say this.
I mean, he did, he was not unarmed.
He was armed with the vehicle.
He was armed with a daily weapon.
The car is a daily weapon.
You have the right as a police officer to shoot him if you feel like your life's at risk.
The two officers that was in front of the car, your life was at risk.
So if you feel like your life was at risk, you could have shot him.
You did not shoot.
Or the other officers on the side if they thought that was at risk.
Yeah, but once the car clears the two officers, go ahead and rewind it.
I don't know at this point why you shooting at him, though.
Okay, now stop it.
Now go ahead and just play it full.
Okay, stop it.
Okay, that's crazy as hell to me.
Just, I'm not a police officer, but nobody's life is at risk.
I can understand you doing if somebody's been kidnapped or if you think this guy's going to go harm somebody else.
Right.
But I mean, I heard about 10 rounds go in the back into that vehicle after nobody's life is at risk.
And you see a white car going down the street right in front of him.
There's a house.
It looks like grandma's house is over there.
I understand y'all got rifles, but that's handguns.
Okay, at this point, y'all are shooting y'all's guns like somebody shooting back.
I mean, y'all the only one shooting.
The hell so funny.
I mean, I'm not laughing at what happened to Mr. Brown, man.
I'm not laughing.
I'm just laughing at what my brother just said.
It's just too much common sense, man.
I mean, if I showed up at this point and I'm thinking, I'm just thinking this dude is late for work or something.
Man.
I'm like, I just see a car driving.
Why everybody shooting?
Now, if, for example, this guy was like a seal killer, rapist or something.
He had 15 bodies on him.
You got DNA.
You know it's him.
Yeah, it's Ted Bundy, right?
Yeah.
And he's getting away.
By all means, light his ass up because if he gets away, he's possibly going to kill somebody, right?
Right, right, right.
But you can't be just like, oh, he's getting away.
Shoot him.
And I see like, you know, other people are discussing this same topic and they're showing videos that's been edited.
They don't show what actually happened.
Like you guys looking at this video here with us, this is the first time y'all have seen this.
This is the video first.
This is what happened.
Yeah, you see the video for its entirety from beginning to end.
Yeah, some videos, the bullets are edited out.
Yeah.
I'm like, what is that?
The end of the video is totally edited out.
I mean, I know everybody's, the backs of booties, yeah, it was justified.
He was armed with a car.
I get that.
But the officers that was in front of him, they didn't even shoot.
When I'm thinking of police officers shooting a man armed with the vehicle, I'm thinking the man is coming towards them.
They don't have any escape route and they're forced to shoot the guy because they didn't fear of being ran over.
And you shooting the guy from the front.
When I'm looking at this video, nobody was, life was no longer at risk.
Nobody's in front of him, and y'all didn't shoot and kill the man.
He's got a bullet wound.
His fatal wound was in the back of the head.
I mean, they say it's a, I mean, the district attorney says justified, but his family is getting paid.
Why?
Because nobody's life was at risk.
And the two officers that could have shot him at the beginning when it's right in front of the car, you can, but they didn't shoot.
Right.
Because I don't, you have to ask them.
Either they froze or they felt like that life was not at risk.
Or they think they was able to, you know, be able to evade that vehicle and their life wasn't at risk.
But I mean, it's kind of crazy to me.
I mean, I don't want cops like that in my neighborhood.
Yeah, because y'all.
I'm going to shoot me.
I'm in my backyard barbecue.
Yeah.
And it's like, y'all know who he is.
Y'all going to get him eventually.
Dude.
I will watch my mother.
I would much rather have the man alive and in custody than dead to nobody.
I mean, they had a right to shoot him if somebody's life was at risk, but I didn't see it.
Once the cop cleared the officers, then y'all decided to shoot.
You didn't shoot when your life was at risk, when everybody's saying your life was at risk and why you could have shot him.
But once the car cleared, then y'all shoot.
That's what I don't get.
And if y'all was like, cops, I don't want y'all in my neighborhood, honestly.
Right.
And I, and I defend the blue, but this is crazy as hell to me.
Yeah.
If you're in the right and you, I understand this dude's a dick.
He's an asshole.
He followed orders and he's got a history of that, of evading cops and resisting arrests.
I get that.
Yeah.
But you still don't have the right to shoot him in the back of the head and empty 50.
Look, there were seven cops there.
Only three of them fired.
If I was there, I would have made the fourth, the fifth person not shooting.
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Oh, I'd have shot and killed the man right when he hit that one police officer with the car.
Oh, he started driving towards the police officer.
Yeah.
But it's easy for me to say that because I wasn't there.
Yeah, we wasn't there, but.
You don't know what you would do.
But I'm the sole believer that police officers are not perfect.
This guy's not perfect.
This criminal.
Yeah.
You should not have, it shouldn't have even got that far.
Right when they approached your vehicle, he should have just stopped.
Yeah.
And should have abide by their commands.
He would be still alive because I know police officers, they're just people just like you and me.
They're going to make mistakes.
Yeah, just like criminals make mistakes.
Yeah, once he cleared, once that car cleared everybody and no police officer, I'm not shooting in the back of somebody's police car for several reasons.
Either you can shoot and kill the man and he drives over somebody because he dies, his foot is on the gas paper, gas pedal, or you shoot, miss his car, shoot somebody in that house, or you might shoot the passenger, the driver of that vehicle that's rolling in front of him.
I would have never shot my weapon if I was in that position.
But then again, I wasn't there.
I wasn't in that position.
I've never been a police officer.
I'm just critiquing everything that happened.
I've looked at several videos of conservatives, black, white, brown, and everybody in between.
And everybody is saying that that was justified.
It was justified up to a point.
Once that vehicle cleared everybody and he had gotten away, it's no need to shoot at that point.
You know who he is.
You know where he lives.
He's not going anywhere.
Yeah, I mean, momentarily is.
Yeah.
He's in the car.
I mean, unless you feel like he was going to go kill somebody.
Right.
I mean, but I mean, do y'all, I mean, I understand the guy's a menace to society.
Right.
But do you.
I don't know.
It's like the people on the left saying he was murdered, executed.
People on the right say it was justified.
It's like nobody can come in the middle and just critique things how it should be critiqued.
I back to blue.
Yeah.
But I don't want police officers just shooting into a car because they messed up.
Or the guys getting away.
Now, I could see you shooting somebody back in the head if I got a knife and I'm running towards somebody.
Yeah, of course.
If I got a car and somebody's in the way and he can't get out of that direction, yeah, I'm going to shoot all in the back of that car.
But it was.
If you're asking me, I want a shot when he's getting away.
I would.
It's just too dangerous for citizens.
It's too dangerous if that man is shot and killed.
He could run over somebody.
It's just, it's just things could go wrong.
He crashed into a tree for a reason.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
I don't know.
I wouldn't.
Is it justified up until a point?
But there was a lot.
A majority of the rounds were shot after he cleared everybody.
I heard one shot.
Yeah.
That was it.
And then I heard like, then he cleared the officers and then the barrage of shots came.
I'm just looking at this from common sense.
Did they really have to shoot that man in the back of the car?
Well, I guess it's easy for us to be Monday morning quarterback.
We wasn't there in the situation, but I'm just saying.
But police officers should be trained for this.
Y'all should be, they are professionals.
Yeah.
All I hear is fuck, goddamn, a motherfucker and cars driving away.
And I hear all these rounds.
It don't look too professional to me.
Yeah.
I mean, it looks like I'm looking at a.
I mean, if I was the chief of police and I saw that, I was like.
Y'all could have shot and killed him sooner.
You know that.
Yeah.
But you're going to shoot him when he's away.
Nobody's life is at risk.
And he runs into grandma's house across the street and could have shot the person driving in the white car.
I mean, am I overlooking something?
I mean, did y'all see the same video I saw?
I mean, sometimes I think I'm crazy because I see certain things and I see people that's got a lot more experience being a police officer.
I'm like, I'm like, it doesn't add up.
I mean, it's like nobody on the right or the left can come together and make things common sense.
Yeah.
This is not, when I look at this video, this is not common sense to me.
This is like, this is some damn grand theft auto.
This is something you would see on South Park.
This is some shit you would see on Rick and Morty.
I love that cartoon.
That's a damn good cartoon.
Damn good show.
I've seen that.
I've seen every season at least six times.
Yeah, I mean, the district attorney said it's justified.
Oh, that family is getting paid.
You better believe it.
He died with a bullet in the back of his head.
Yeah.
You can take the bullet out of the back of that man's head, match it up to the ballistics of which officer shot him, and you'll know exactly where he's shot.
You know exactly where he was standing and everything.
Yeah.
You can even match up to what bullet was around what four or five bullet around a group of when the bullets were fired.
Yeah.
If it was really necessary.
For that person to come out, that district attorney come out and said it was justified.
I mean, I mean.
I mean, it was justified up until he cleared the officers.
Then you can't shoot.
I mean, y'all didn't shoot when your life was at risk.
Yeah.
Nobody shot.
The guys in the front, nobody shot.
Yeah.
I'm thinking because you felt like your life was not a risk.
You could avoid the vehicle.
Yeah.
And when you.
And besides, if I'm in a vehicle, I'm going to go hit your ass.
Oh, I'm going to hit your ass.
Yeah.
You best believe I'm going to get you.
How the hell do you avoid a car that's 15 feet away from you?
Yeah.
Oh, well, it's a, I mean, the cops have a tough job, man.
Yeah, it's tough.
They have a very tough job, man.
It's easy for me to sit back and tell you everything you did wrong and not hold the criminal accountable for his action.
But I'm going to say this.
The only person that's in charge, I mean, the only person I'm going to feel that's at fault for this is Andrew.
You have to be way smarter than this.
These people that wear these badges, they're just like everybody else.
They're going to make a mistake and they have guns.
So the smartest thing to do is just obey their commands because they make a mistake with a weapon.
You're gone.
So what's the point of you trying to flee?
He's probably looking at some serious jail time.
He's probably looking at decades.
He actually had nothing to lose.
He had nothing to lose.
But yeah, he had nothing to lose.
Yeah, I think he had several kids.
Seven kids.
Seven.
Yeah.
He didn't give a well.
Well, mark my words, his family is going to get paid.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, if they shot him when the car was right there in front of him, right there in front of the house, I don't think they...
They'll probably still get paid, but they still get paid, but they're going to get paid a whole lot more money.
Because cops cannot shoot nobody in the back unless they feel like somebody's life is at risk or they're going to go do something bad to somebody.
Right.
Or in the car, they got somebody kid.
I mean, even if somebody's kidnapped in the car, you wouldn't shoot in the car that somebody kidnapped in the car.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Right, right, right.
If somebody's kidnapped in the car or kids in the car, they're not shooting at that car.
Yeah.
I mean, I made that comment at the beginning.
Maybe he just kidnapped somebody in there in the car.
No, the cops wouldn't shoot into a car with a kidnapper.
But if it's just one criminal and y'all screwed up and y'all got pissed, you better believe they're going to shoot that car.
That's what happened in this situation.
Yeah.
I mean, once the car clears the officer, the officers, you, I mean, he's not going anywhere.
You know where he lives.
He's coming home.
And then you...
He's going to run somewhere.
He ain't coming.
He's going to run far, man.
Yeah.
He ain't got that many resources.
He ain't got that many resources.
I mean, y'all, I mean, I'm just looking at it from this point of view.
I defend the blue.
I'm conservative.
But you got to think, you got to dumb things down way down because people on the left, their brains work totally different from the way we see things.
I mean, they're out marching up and down the street.
They have every right to.
They have every right to be upset right now.
I know that guy was a damn scumbag.
He's scum.
He don't give a shit about his kids, his family.
He don't give a damn about society selling heroin with fentanyl in it, but it still doesn't give the right to cops to be.
He's the judge during the execution.
That's why they're marching him down the street because they're going to say the exact same things I'm saying because it's just common sense.
And that's why the family's going to get paid.
Yeah.
But anyway, that was a damn good show.
Even though I pissed all y'all off.
Yeah.
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