Hodgetwins dissect a Virginia felony stop where an Army lieutenant was pepper-sprayed by Sergeant Guterres despite the officer's hands being out and hazards on. The hosts argue the stop was unjustified, citing false claims of eluding police and tinted windows while ignoring the well-lit gas station setting. They criticize the escalation involving drawn weapons and speculate on racial dynamics, labeling Guterres a "Latino supremacist." Ultimately, the incident is framed as an unnecessary use of force that undermines conservative values, with the officer suing for damages while the hosts promote Mike Lindell. [Automatically generated summary]
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Traffic Stop Gone Wrong00:06:35
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Now we conservative, right?
We defend the blue and we honor our military.
We salute you both.
Yeah.
Thank you for your service.
But in today's video, both y'all some jackass.
There was plenty of blame on both sides.
Plenty of blame to go around for both sides.
Now, some of y'all probably already dislike this video.
That's because you want to defend the cops.
Yeah, which I totally underground.
I understand where you come from.
They have a tough job.
With mainstream media and social media and celebrities are just painting police officers.
It's just evil white men, just evil thugs, and they're not.
Yeah.
Overwhelming majority of our cops do more good in this country than any profession in this in the United States.
Yeah.
Dangerous job.
Yeah.
But enough of that.
I'm going to show you the incident that happened in Virginia.
We used to live in Virginia.
Grew up in Virginia.
I'm a native of Virginia, man.
Yeah.
There's desolate areas in Virginia.
But anyway, check out the video.
Come on back.
Felony traffic stop.
Put your hands out the window.
Felony traffic stop 1836.
Put your hands out the window.
How many occupants?
Oh, you just interfere.
How many occupants are in the vehicle?
What's going on?
How many occupants are in your vehicle?
It's only myself.
Why are your weapons drawn?
What's going on?
Open the door slowly.
Step out.
Open the door.
I'm not getting out the vehicle.
What's going on?
Get out the car.
Open the door slowly and get out.
What's going on?
Get out of the car now.
Open the door.
Get out of the car.
Hold.
Keep your hands outside the window.
Keep your hands outside the window.
My hands are right here.
What's going on?
Get out of the car now.
Get out of the car.
What's going on?
Get out of the car now.
Get out of the car now.
I'm serving this country and this is how I'm treated.
Yo, what?
Guess what?
I'm a veteran too.
I'm going to obey.
Get out of the car.
What's going on?
Get out of the car now.
What's going on?
What's going on?
You tricked me by the light, my son.
I'm sorry, what?
Get out of the car now.
What's going on?
Get out of the car now.
Get out of the car.
Sir, just get out of the car.
Work with us and we'll talk to you.
Get out of the car.
You receive an order.
Obey it.
I'm honestly afraid to get out.
Can I?
Yeah, you should be.
Get out.
What's going on?
Get out of the car.
Get out now.
I have not committed any crimes.
You're being stopped by traffic violation.
You're not cooperating at this point right now.
You're under arrest for traffic.
You're being detained.
Okay.
You're being detained for a social shot.
Traffic violation.
I do not have to get out the vehicle.
You haven't even told me why I'm being stopped.
Get your hands off.
Get out of the car now.
Get out of the car.
Get your hands off me, Billy.
Get your hands off me.
Don't do anything.
Don't do that.
Sir, get out of the car now.
Hey, get out of the car now.
Don't do I'm trying to talk to you.
Okay, I'm trying to talk.
I'm gonna get out.
Just relax.
Can you please relax?
Please relax.
Get out of the car right now.
This is not how you treat a vet.
I'm actively serving this country, and this is how you're gonna treat me.
I didn't do anything.
Whoa, hold on.
What's going?
Hold on.
Watch it.
Airborne.
Get out of the car.
Get out of the car now.
Get up.
Car now.
Sir, just get out of the car.
I'm trying to breathe.
Get out of the car now.
That's really f up.
Yeah, get out of the car and get on the ground now.
You're going to get again.
I don't even want to reach my seatbelt.
Can you?
Take your seatbelt off and get out of the car.
Get out of the car now.
Listen.
Take off your sheetbelt and get out of the car.
Look, I'm just going to just please.
You're going to do what you're told.
Get out of the car.
Look.
Take your seatbelt off and get out of the car.
Take your seatbelt off.
Look, my hands are out.
Take your seatbelt off and get out of the car.
Don't reach out, man.
Don't reach out.
My hands are out.
Please.
Please.
Look.
This is really messed up.
My dog is in the back.
My dog is choking right now.
Get out of the car.
Take your seatbelt off.
What are you?
A specialist, Corporal.
What are you?
I'm a lieutenant.
Lieutenant, get out of the car.
Take your seatbelt off and get out of the car.
You made this way more difficult than it had to be.
You just complied.
Get out of the car.
I'm reaching for my seatbelt.
Fine.
Take your seatbelt off and get out of the car.
Straight on the ground.
Straight onto the ground.
Ma'am, it's just commanding off your flavor.
Let's go.
It's just commanding off.
Let's go.
Get on the ground.
Get on the ground.
Get on the ground now.
Get on the ground and you're getting sprayed again.
Get on the ground.
Can you please talk to me about what you're going to do?
Get on the ground.
Get on the ground now.
Can you please talk to me?
Get on the ground.
Can you please talk to me about what's going on?
Yes, sir.
Can you please talk to me about what's going on?
Why am I being treated like this?
You're not cooperating.
Get on the ground.
Why am I being treated like this?
This is really messed up.
This is really messed up.
Sir, just what this was.
This is up.
All right, let's start.
First things first.
Escalating the Situation00:15:22
Day, the cops conducted what is known as a felony stop.
Now, they don't do that for just like any traffic violation.
If you run in the stop sign, they're not going to do a felony stop.
Yeah, you could be doing 20 miles over the speed limit.
They're not going to do a felony traffic stop.
They're going to be a total jerk when they come up to your window.
Yeah.
But they ain't going to get out of that car with their guns drawn.
Yeah.
Felony stops is when they feel somebody in the car is dangerous.
Just dangerous, just committed a felony or a serious crime like murder, rape, assault, and battery.
Yeah, a robbery.
Something has to be a serious crime.
They're not going to do a felony stop on somebody jaywalking.
Yeah.
Or somebody, a passenger in the, for some reason, they feel there's a person in the car that's dangerous or who has committed a felony or crime or anything like that.
So remember, a felony stop is for a serious incident.
The police have some suspicion that somebody is very dangerous.
They're about to stop.
All right, you done beating that dead horse?
Just want to paint a picture for everybody so everybody understand what a felony stop is.
All right, so the police officer said the reason why they conducted a felony stop is because he eluded police and he didn't have a driver's license and his windows was tinted.
Okay, if you're eluding police, you could do a felony stop.
But are you eluding police when you turn your damn hazards on?
You drive the speed limit to an area where it's well lit to a gas station?
Is that eluding police?
Yeah, because when they first tried to stop him, it was a desolate area.
Right, right.
So what the Army officer did was drive to a well-lit area.
So for his safety and for the safety of the office.
That's not against the law to do that.
Yeah.
Regardless of who you are, you could be a plain Jane, plain Joe.
If you feel that your life is at risk and it's not well-lit, you don't have to stop.
You can pull over at the next immediate intersection off the street where it's well-lit, where there's plenty of people around.
Yeah, I've seen on forensic files.
Yeah, yeah.
People was this guy was pretending to be a cop.
Yeah.
I mean, this is rare, but it does happen.
But this guy was pretending to be a cop.
He was pulling over women, raping them, and then killing them.
Excepting them.
Yeah, as if rape was not bad enough.
He would kill them after he raped them.
I know.
Women say this.
I pulled over in a dark, desolate area, and the cop instructed me, pull over 10, 100 yards up the road.
They would get on that intercom and tell me, you know, explicitly, hey, this is not safe.
Please continue to drive traffic and stuff.
Yeah, when I was in California.
Yeah.
But I want to say this.
He didn't elude arrest.
He cut off this house.
Eluding arrest is if he cut his damn lights off.
Yeah.
And he just flawed that bitch.
He just pushed that down.
I think it was a Tahoe.
Who just pushed that damn toad doing 150 and he's toad Tahoe.
Tahoe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's eluding police.
Like if they pulled me over and I was going to loot police, I would cut my damn lights off.
I would push that bitch to 150.
I ain't going to jail.
The only way he's going to catch me is when I flip this bitch in the ravine.
Yeah, I'm going to be busting U-turns.
I'm going to be running lights.
I ain't going to have my hazards on.
I'm trying to get away.
Yeah.
From what this lieutenant and from what the police report is totally contradicting one another.
He was not eluding police.
And they say also he had tent.
It's not against the law to have tent.
Everybody, I understand if you could defend the blue, but you got to remain objective.
There's some bad cops out there.
Sometimes, I'm not saying these people were bad cops, but obviously this was a bit aggressive doing a felony stop.
Okay, so yeah, yeah.
So now let me finish what I was going to say.
Okay, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I forgot what I was going to say.
You just totally cut me off mid-sentence.
I didn't told you about that.
I'm sorry, man.
Okay, so he wasn't eluding police.
You said that already.
Yeah, but you cut me off.
I got to reset it up.
He was not eluding police.
He turned on his hazards.
And they said also he didn't have a license plate.
He had a license plate.
It was a brand new car.
It's up in the window.
Right, right.
I'm pretty sure y'all stopped brand new cars before.
Y'all are veteran officers.
Y'all have seen, y'all know people buy brand new cars, and it doesn't come with tags on it.
I can see if it was a 1965 El Camino and it was like 10 car.
Yeah, that car is suspicious.
But this is a brand new vehicle we're talking here.
Yeah.
With heavy tent, I see it's heavy tent.
It could be dangerous if you're a police officer.
But I think you guys jumped a gun.
You overreacted.
Y'all did a felony stop on a brand new vehicle with the damn license plate clearly visible.
Yeah.
And it's a lieutenant.
This guy serves our country.
Right.
So, I mean, but on the other hand, I can understand why a police officer is like, okay, this.
Yeah.
Wait, man, I really don't see it from y'all to hand because he put his hand.
He's not eluding police.
Yeah.
I mean, you have to, you know, I want to say this.
Cops, you have a very difficult, very dangerous job.
Of course.
Yeah.
Now, when he cut on his hazard slides and he drove the speed limit and he calmly pulled into a gas station, well, in your head, you would think that this man is a looting police, a looting cops.
He's not breaking the law.
He hasn't committed not one crime yet.
Yeah.
Not one.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
Maybe the cop just got up on the wrong side of the bed.
Maybe you found out he had herpes.
I don't know.
Maybe he's having a bad day.
But from the...
He found out he what?
Had herpes.
Well, he should have took the day off or something.
You're going to take it out on the damn citizens of the country?
A damn military officer?
What?
I got herpes.
Oh, man.
What damn?
What damn?
Oh, what?
Damn, goddamn, damn towholders passed me.
He got no place to pull his ass over.
Hey, let's...
Hey, Kevin.
Let's get serious on this.
Okay, okay.
Let's get serious on this.
So, well, I'm just...
Hold on, what you...
Can I say something?
Can I talk, man?
Don't say nothing stupid like herpes again.
Dude, you think they had the right to do a felony stop?
No, if it was a dark, desolate area, he's not exceeding the speed limit.
He's not evading arrest.
He hasn't broken a law.
That's just a simple fact.
He has not broken the law at this point.
In fact, this is years ago.
I think I just got my license and I was driving back from Inksburg, Virginia.
I was going home.
Yeah.
And I looked up and I saw a cop had his lights on.
I was like, oh shit.
So I pulled over and the cop comes and says, I've been telling you for like 10 miles.
Why didn't you pull off?
I said, I just noticed, officer.
And he did not come up to my car with a gun in my face.
Yeah.
He didn't.
Yeah.
The police officers, you, from the very beginning, you, you escalated the situation with that felony stop.
If you'd have just, the driver was calm.
You should have got out of your vehicle.
One of the cops parked in the front and the other cop parked.
If you'd have just walked up and after he stuck his hands out the window and just said, you know, asked for his identification, all that, I think everything would have been pretty cool.
Okay, but let's go to the military officer.
Yeah.
He's in the army.
How can you be in the army and you can't follow commands?
Yeah.
If you're a lieutenant in the military, if your commanding officer or colonel chose you to do something and you didn't obey his direct commands, you would be in serious trouble.
And vice versa.
If you told somebody like a PFC or a corporal to do something and they didn't do it, you would write them up.
Yeah, non-judicial punishment is what they called you.
You have some fault in all this.
If you just followed their commands, even though they was doing the felony stop, even though they were doing a felony, a felony stop, if you'd have just followed their commands, it would have been de-escalated.
Yeah.
But I will say this.
Even though you didn't do anything wrong, I've had felony stops on me when I've done nothing wrong.
Me and my family just left Jack in the Box.
We got some jumble back jack combos, got some fries, got milkshakes.
We was doing that family thing, right?
Yeah.
And these cops in Tustin, California pulled us over, came up to my car with guns drawn on me, my wife, and my kid in the back.
And I said, just like you, what's going on?
I was more masculine when I said it.
I didn't sound like this damn jackass.
What's going on?
He's definitely progressive.
You're right.
I asked him, I said, what's going on?
He said, well, somebody just got, it was, somebody just got a robbery or something.
And their vehicle matched the description of my vehicle.
I said, no, he said, where you come from?
I said, jack in the box.
Here's the damn sandwiches, the fries, the milkshakes.
The shit's fresh.
I got my baby in the back.
I have not robbed anybody.
Hey, just ask my wife.
And they said, sorry, sir.
Thank you for your time.
I'm like, how you going to pull a gun in my face and thank me for my time?
There's a bunch of three white dudes.
White supremacist.
I'm just joking.
They were white, though.
They was white.
They was white, right?
Blonde hair, blue eyes.
But I just followed their commands.
And that's okay.
They left.
But you was actually trying to, the lieutenant, the guy that's in the army, you was trying to de-escalate the situation by talking.
But in a weird way, you wasn't following that commands.
If you'd have just followed their commands, it'd have been done.
Yeah.
They had no right to do a felony stop.
Not from what I saw and from what this guy is saying.
But if you just followed commands, even though they were overzealous, even though they escalated the situation, you could have de-escalated the situation just by following simple commands.
You should know that.
You're a lieutenant in the army.
You know how to follow commands.
I mean, you say you were scared, but you putting your camera up.
I mean, when I'm scared, I follow directions.
You putting your camera up.
You look cool.
You was like, what's going on?
Yeah.
Why you got your weapons drawn?
I mean, you don't know what's going on.
They cops.
They threw their lights up.
They pulling your ass off.
That's what's going on.
Yeah.
So they told you to put your hands outside the car.
You half-assed did that.
Yeah.
I mean, if you just followed that directions, I think I got him to step out of that car a number of times.
If you'd have just opened the door, sit at the one white cop, he was really cool.
He was really, you know, cool.
The white cop was actually real, real cool.
Yeah, that damn Latino, though.
You all just, that dude, he's a Latino supremacist.
He's something.
That dude was over the top.
You fitting to ride the lightning, boy.
I mean, he said a couple of things you should not tell anybody as a cop.
He said, you fitting to ride the lightning.
Yeah.
When he said, I'm scared to get out of my car.
And he said, well, you should be.
I mean, why would you talk to him like that?
I mean, that would scare me.
I'm like, okay, if I step out of this car, you just told me I should be scared because you can do something crazy.
And you got to believe, you know, a lot of people are scared of the cops, not by, you know, because of mainstream media.
Yeah.
They're painting you guys to be like these evil people and you're giving them all the admonition to think that way.
Say, you did a felony stop.
Guns are drawn.
You threatened the guy, said you're fitting to ride the lightning.
And then when he asks you, what's that all about?
And he's scared and you and you come out and say, well, you should be, what do you think he's going to think?
Aren't you actually escalating the situation just like he is escalating the situation by not following directions?
That's why I say both y'all some jackasses.
Yeah.
Both parties was trying to outdo one another.
Yeah, the guy, the military officer, that's why you got your camera up.
Yeah.
You want to get it on tape.
You want to incite some kind of wrongdoing.
Yeah, you're pushing the police officers.
Yeah.
I've been pulled over several times by gunpoint testing.
Seems like it.
Yeah.
By the gang unit.
Remember?
Yeah.
We just got Red Hill Motel, man.
Yeah, we just got the military because there was a lot of gangs in the areas.
They just did a felony stop just because they saw us sitting in that damn Cadillac.
Yeah, they thought we were some Puerto Ricans.
They thought we was in a Puerto Rican game.
Yeah, that area is like really Latino.
Yeah, so the cops in the areas are very aggressive.
These cops, I don't know what kind of area this is.
I'm not too familiar with this area, but I mean, the felony stop, because of a no license plate, they should have never done a felony stop.
Another thing I want to touch on is the police officer.
I mean, they have the right to drag your ass out of that car.
Yeah.
If they have a legitimate reason to stop you.
Right.
They just can't pull you over for BS and drag you out of the car.
Like, I think all three of these reasons why they put him over, the dark tent, the no license plate and the eluding police, all that's BS.
Right.
He didn't do any of that.
Right.
So you cannot, but they can have, they do have the power to drag you out of that car if you don't follow the commands.
So I could see why the cops did what they did.
But.
He should have never, and we both agree on this.
He should have never pepper sprayed you.
You had both hands outside the window.
Yeah, you was obviously no threat.
There was no people at the car.
And it's like, I mean, the SUV.
And that dude, that damn, that damn saw, I think it was Sergeant Guterres.
This dude walks up like he thinks he's Snoop Dogg or something.
How you holding your.
Yeah, Sergeant Guterres, he had a temper on him.
He was definitely a, he wasn't making things better.
So, I mean, and then at one point, the white police officer, like, they had pepper sprayed him.
He's got his hands up.
He's still screaming at him, get out of the car.
Take off your seatbelt.
Look, I've been pepper sprayed before.
Yeah.
When I got pepper sprayed, the last thing I wanted to do was open my damn eyes up.
Last thing I want to do is move.
It hurt.
I couldn't breathe.
It stings.
I mean, I mean, damn.
I mean, you didn't, you had to pepper spray him?
Yeah, he was having problems getting out the car before you pepper sprayed him.
And now you think everything's fixed because you sprayed his ass in the face.
And then the white police officer actually went ahead and looked at the situation.
Okay, guys, hands up.
He's pepper sprayed.
He can't see.
I'm going to go ahead and help him and take the seatbelt off.
And then Guterre said, hell no, back up.
He can figure this out.
I mean, even the white police officer looked at you like, damn, man, you like, you need to just calm down.
This dude is in full uniform here.
That white man was starting to feel sorry for this guy.
He said, look, man, just get out of your car.
We can talk to him.
We can work things out.
Just please get out of the car.
Guterres ain't having this shit.
Guturus is not playing no games in here.
Yeah, and I just think the police officer, he escalated when he didn't have to.
And the military officer, I mean, if you had just followed the commands, I don't think you would have been pepper sprayed.
I think they may have put you on your face on the ground and just checks you out like that, but you wouldn't have got pepper sprayed.
But it's like, it's crazy.
Once they got him out of the car, you've pepper sprayed him.
Yeah.
He started kicking him in the ass.
He started go straight down to the ground.
Straight down to the ground.
Get on the damn ground.
I mean, this dude is in full uniform.
Yeah, he's a, this man is serving our country.
A lot of people don't even have the courage to sign up to join our military.
And for a police officer to treat one of us military service members like it says a lot about that police officer.
I mean, I could see you treating him like that if he's got a felony warrant and it's an actual felony stop.
I don't give a shit what service you in.
Burden on Law Enforcement00:09:14
Yeah, you need to get sprayed.
You need to get down on the ground.
You need to do all that.
But in this situation, that was not relevant.
Yeah.
And then at the end, they don't even charge him with nothing and send him home.
I think it's illegal to send somebody driving when they got pepper sprayed.
He can't see.
He's suing for a million.
He's going to get a whole lot more than that.
Yeah, you set the bar a little bit too low, Dex.
Yeah, I would at least start off with $5, $10 million.
I would have started off around $10 million.
They'd have set it out of court for three and a half.
You asking for a million dollar, fire your attorney.
He sucks.
A million dollars for that?
You see what them dudes did to you, man?
Man, that's chunk change.
That's chunk change, man.
Know what you're worth.
Know what you're worth.
You're worth more than that.
I mean, the officers had a chance to de-escalate this.
They didn't have to escalate it.
Even when they had guns on, you didn't have to pepper spray out, man.
It's like, and if you would have just followed instructions, I don't think it would have gone that far.
And I see the comments coming from both sides.
Or if he would have stopped in the other area, they would have shot and killed him.
Man, it's just crazy.
That's left-wing conspiracy theories right there.
Yeah, I mean, everybody should understand the political climate we're in today.
Right.
So as a police officer, you got to make sure you dock your eyes, cross your T's.
You have to be perfect, which is, you know, it's next to impossible, but you're in the best of the best, supposedly.
Yeah, I mean, y'all have got more training than any police officers, you know, up until, you know, recent time.
The cops nowadays, they are well trained.
Yeah.
They should have handled this situation a lot better.
When you stop somebody, you can easily de-escalate the situation by just talking to a person reasonably, screaming with your guns drawn, you're not going to make things better.
You're going to freak some people out.
Like this lieutenant, he was freaked out.
You think he was freaked out?
The dude's setting up his camera while they're screaming.
He had to be.
Yeah.
To go through all that?
The hard thing I have come to grips with, you've never obeyed not one command.
Yeah, you didn't even put your hands out the window.
Yeah.
I mean, but they didn't have to do a felony stop.
But like I said, I've had a felony stop, a legitimate felony stop done on me.
Hold on.
I've had a legitimate felony stop conducted on me, and I didn't do nothing.
But it wasn't because of me.
It was because my vehicle matched the description of another vehicle.
Right, right.
See, in this situation, none of that happened.
None of that happened.
Y'all said he eluding police.
You said he had no plate.
That was all BS.
The looting police is you're speeding.
You're breaking laws.
You cut the lights off.
You pushing that bitch doing 150.
Yeah, you're trying to activate your flux capacitor.
Yeah, you trying to take your damn car to 2024 when Trump's being re-elected.
This dude abided by all the laws, cut his hats on, and pull into a well-lit gas station.
That's not eluding police.
They falsified a police report.
That's actual crime.
Like, I want to say this about the young man, the lieutenant.
Yeah.
You didn't necessarily do anything wrong.
Yeah, he didn't.
He didn't follow commands.
He didn't follow commands, right?
Yeah, you got to say that.
But you have to remember, these police officers are not perfect.
You're not perfect.
These police officers are not perfect.
If you had just followed those simple commands, it would have got de-escalated as soon as you stopped your vehicle.
I mean, if they didn't, if you would have followed commands and it didn't get de-escalated, I mean, you could get more money.
That's the way I look at it.
Well, he's going to get way more than a million dollars.
Yeah.
I mean, you got to look at it like this.
If y'all disagree with us, I mean, that's fine.
But look at it.
The dude wasn't charged with anything.
They sent him on his way.
They pepper sprayed the dude, put guns on him.
That's not what America is all about.
Either you believe in freedom or you don't.
That is not freedom.
That's getting pulled over, pepper sprayed, thrown on the ground, and you serving our country.
That is not freedom.
That's not even conservatism.
That's a tyrannical government.
Yeah, you giving ammunition to these crazy people on the left saying this country is systemically racist when I know it's not.
Yeah.
I mean, but it's hard to fight that argument when you got Guterias out there looking like a white supremacist.
Now, he's not white, but to black people, that's a white dude.
You're white enough.
Yeah, you light-skinned.
He white.
And this dude's a what, an Afro-Latino?
I don't know what the hell that even means.
An Afro-Latino.
Does that mean I'm an Afro-Irishman?
Pick a side.
You either black or you're not.
What is Obama?
Afro-white?
That's just the media.
It's just the media.
That's two minorities in this one.
Yeah.
He's got like a Spanish last name.
Yeah.
Latino.
I would just go with Latino.
I don't really give a shit what he is.
It has nothing to do with it, huh?
But the media made it about that.
Yeah, the media.
If this dude was white, I'm sure they were shocked.
Yeah, dude, you wouldn't even hear about this story.
Yeah.
And then the white dude that got thrown on the ground and pepper sprayed, once he got home and told his parents or somebody, said, well, you should have followed their commands.
That's what white people would have said.
You should have stopped.
You should have followed commands.
Once you abide by the law, you ain't got to worry about getting pepper sprayed.
But nowadays, man, people want special privileges, man.
They want to be treated with special benefits.
Not saying necessarily this guy did something wrong, but he, at the very least, you could have followed that commands.
You could have de-escalated.
Because cops are not perfect and cops will make mistakes.
So you don't need to put your life at risk by trying to defy the cops.
Just follow that amands.
Yeah, they do have the power to do what they did.
Yeah.
If they use, if they abuse that power, you can always sue them.
You didn't have to get pepper sprayed.
Yeah.
He hit your ass like three times.
Yeah.
What does it say about a military officer?
A second lieutenant?
You don't know how to and you don't know how to follow commands.
Yeah.
Come on, you knew what you're doing.
That's why you had your phone out.
Yeah.
I don't know if you intentionally did this, but I think some of you are saying that he looks very suspicious when you pull out a camera and you keep saying, What's going on?
Why you got your weapons drawn?
You know how to follow orders.
You are a soldier, for God's sakes.
Yeah, why don't you be more like Lieutenant Dan from Forrest Gump?
Be more assertive.
Yes, sir.
Get out of the truck, sir.
Got my hands up, sir.
What's going on?
You playing stupid, sticking one hand out.
What's going on?
Why you got your weapons drawn?
Putting your camera up while he's telling you what to do.
You know what the hell you was doing.
And that officer Guterres, man, what the hell is wrong with you?
The political climate in this country.
And you think it was okay to pepper spray a damn lieutenant in the army for supposedly evading the police, which was bullshit.
He had a plate in dark tent.
You can't do that, man.
Yeah.
There's a lot of wrong to pass around, but a majority of cops, the burden of what happened is going to fall on the cops because they're going to hold you guys to a high threshold.
You guys have to be perfect.
Yeah, this guy, he can play stupid.
What's going on?
Why you got your weapons drawn?
What's going on?
What?
Is all this necessary?
I'm not getting out of my car.
I don't have to do that.
No, I'm not.
He told the cops, I'm not getting out of my car.
And look, now that officer got fired.
Yeah.
He lost his damn job.
And this dude's out here putting his life on the line.
And he let this situation just ruin it for him.
And it's going to get this dude paid, man.
Yeah.
No telling how long he was on the job.
But it's like, and then also you mentioned, what are you?
He was asking him his rank.
Like he was calling like a PFC, like these low-ranking people.
And then he says, no, I'm a lieutenant.
It's like, it doesn't look back.
What does it matter what his rank is?
Yeah.
It has nothing to do with it.
Why are you saying you're going to ride the lightning?
Why are you saying you better be scared?
I mean, what's wrong with you?
You did not get taught that in the academy, I'm sure.
And this guy is a medic in the military.
He's a lieutenant.
This guy's serving our country.
He's doing the same job you guys are doing to wear blue.
You guys are on the same side.
And for this to happen, a whole lot of people had to make a whole lot of stupid mistakes on both sides.
But the burden of proof is always going to fall on police officers because they're going to expect you guys to be perfect, which is never going to happen.
Yeah.
Well, they're supposed to be perfect.
But I think that white cop, when he tried to take his seatbelt off, he was trying to help him.
Yeah, he was just like, after Guterres told him to back up and don't take a seatbelt off, even he looked up like, dude, man, what the hell?
Just calm down.
Just calm down, man.
I was going to tell you, he just pepper sprayed me.
He can't see his seatbelt.
The white cop is almost like, man, please just get out of the car.
Please, man, just get out of the car.
We can work with you.
Just get the f out of the car.
This dude is a loose cat.
I don't know what he's going to do next.
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