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April 3, 2026 - American Journal - Breanna Morello
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The American Journal: rump Warns Iran: “Make A Deal Before It’s Too Late” As US Intelligence Says Iran Does NOT Want To Negotiate! - FULL SHOW - 04.03.2026

James Fishback and the hosts dissect Iran's Strait of Hormuz closure, which halted one-third of global fertilizer trade and doubled jet fuel prices, while criticizing Pete Hegseth's proposed attacks on civilian infrastructure. They analyze the Ukraine war as a consequence of 1990s U.S. "shock therapy" and NATO expansion, arguing that $200 billion in foreign military spending diverts funds from domestic needs like rural hospitals and teacher pay. Ultimately, the episode condemns the "hamster wheel" of perpetual conflict driven by neoconservative interests and religious extremism, urging a shift toward addressing internal societal crises instead of fueling global wars. [Automatically generated summary]

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james fishback
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jon bowne
infowars 06:04
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rex jones
infowars 45:27
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tim tompkins
48:13
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alex jones
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andrew breitbart
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donald j trump
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roger avary
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steve hanke
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theo von
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conan obrien
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gavin newsom
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kim chan-ju
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marco rubio
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peter robinson
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max in wisconsin
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Speaker Time Text
Fertilizer Shortages and Pharma Crisis 00:03:42
jon bowne
Fertilizer pharma shock is a compounding crisis that ties energy choke points directly to crop yields and medicine supplies in a chain reaction Washington refuses to acknowledge.
donald j trump
And just think about this they have no navy, they have no military, they have no nothing.
unidentified
They're losing.
donald j trump
They admit they're losing.
unidentified
They're begging to make a deal.
jon bowne
Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz has halted roughly one third of global seaborne fertilizer trade and nearly half the world's urea.
The critical nitrogen source for crop growth.
steve hanke
The U.S. is a net exporter of fertilizer, but we have big fertilizer problems in the United States because remember, even if you're exporting it and the price has gone up.
So if you're from Iowa, where I'm from, you're paying a lot more for fertilizer this planting season, assuming you didn't buy it ahead of time, which, by the way, most of the farmers didn't.
They've been in a little bit of a tight squeeze.
Often they buy.
Inputs, seed and fertilizer, prior to a year in advance of planting.
Well, this year they didn't.
So they're buying it basically not forward, but buying it on the spot market.
jon bowne
Urea prices from the Middle East have surged from under $500 per metric ton to around $700 or higher, with overall fertilizer costs up more than 50% year over year.
Spring wheat planting could hit the lowest levels since 1970.
steve hanke
Setting the table on farmers is they were in bad shape prior to the war financially.
They were getting squeezed.
So, as a result, they didn't do what they often do, and that's buy their inputs forward, buy them a year in advance.
unidentified
Wow.
So, they did that.
They did that even before the crisis we're facing right now.
Yes.
jon bowne
Russia has suspended ammonium nitrate exports.
China has restricted key blends to protect.
Domestic prices, and India faces gas shortages threatening its urea output.
With 318 million people already in acute hunger, analysts warn another 45 million could slide into crisis if disruptions last beyond June.
Layer on the pharmaceutical strike, Iranian missiles hit Israel's Niyat Hovav industrial zone, home to Tiva Pharmaceutical, the world's largest generic drug maker, and Adama chemical facilities.
Teva supplies affordable generics for cancer, heart, respiratory, and neurological treatments relied on by hospitals worldwide, especially in third world nations.
Preexisting shortages were already severe.
Prices will rise, access will tighten, and chronic patients could face rationing or expensive switches in the months ahead.
Iran's closure stranded Qatar's Northfield output, 33% of global helium, that also left 200 cryogenic helium containers at risk of total boil off within weeks.
No helium means no chips for AI GPUs or data centers, while India's 70,000 MRI machines and semiconductor memory supplies face immediate pressure.
Jet fuel has at least doubled in the U.S., with airlines warning of dry inventories, cancellations, and rerouting, while diesel tightness grips Australia and South Korea, prompting wartime economic measures.
Helium Stranglehold on AI Chips 00:14:37
james fishback
Changju, what is the South Korean government doing to address all of these problems?
kim chan-ju
They've launched a full scale emergency economic response involving the offices of the president, the prime minister, and more.
They're also looking to pass a war supplementary budget, and they're urging the public to conserve energy.
jon bowne
The just in time global system that was built on cheap energy, fragile choke points, and the illusion of endless efficiency has had its table flipped over.
Stock what you reasonably can, demand real domestic resilience over globalist fantasies.
And build tolerance for uncomfortable truths that are imminent.
John Bound reporting for InfoWars.
rex jones
Talking through the round out your week, and it seems like every single day that we've come in here, we get a new uh, you know, it's kind of like training wheels or a tricycle, only it's our own president, Donald Trump, helping us with the show with a breaking tweet every single time.
unidentified
What's he saying?
tim tompkins
Breaking tweet.
We got something coming out of DJT's tweet.
He says, With a little more time, we can easily open the Strait of Hormuz and take the oil and make a fortune.
It would be a gusher for the world, President.
DJT.
rex jones
This is Biden's stuff.
It'll be a gusher for the world.
And see, here's the thing.
He's coming up with this stuff.
He's put it out there.
How many times are you going to say the war is over?
How many times are you going to say we can easily do this?
We're clearly not able to get it done in this fashion he talks about.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
No, you're 100% right.
And here's the thing take the oil.
Like taking the oil is something that can't just happen without an immediate conflict.
Right.
The acceleration of that.
rex jones
Well, we say it can be done.
So therefore, it's going to be done.
And I'm going to read the second one.
I think this just came out.
Around midnight, yeah, 12 26 a.m., April 3rd, 2026.
Our military, the greatest and most powerful by far anywhere in the world, hasn't even started destroying what's left in Iran.
Bridges next, then electric power plants.
New regime leadership knows what has to be done and has to be done fast.
President Donald J. Trump, and this is him talking about attacking the civilian infrastructure.
Have you seen Heg Seth and him talk about taking them back to the Stone Age where they belong?
unidentified
I have.
tim tompkins
But here's the thing it's not like Iran is not going to attack back in equal capacity.
It's just going to destabilize the whole region, as we know.
Like, these types of rhetoric is dangerous because you know what happens if Iran gets attacked and they get their civilian infrastructure taken out?
Next thing they're going to do is they're going to look at the Gulf countries.
They're going to be like, ooh, you know what?
Those salinization plants look real tasty.
Let's go take those out.
rex jones
And it's just the insanity of, like, for example, like Trump has said, oh, we're going to hit their desalinization.
We're going to hit it hard.
They get 3% of their water from that.
Israel gets over 50%.
Most of the Gulf countries are around the same.
They get their majority or close to the majority of water from desalinization.
Why would you do this?
tim tompkins
And I'm just, look, I'm not for creating these humanitarian crises just to make a point or make a stance.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
I mean, there is real people that are involved at the ground level.
And here's the thing we're in America where we could never fathom something like this happening here.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
You're never going to think about a bomb flying over your head or potentially your water being shut off.
It's just a completely different set of circumstances.
And so that's why when I look at all these decisions and I see the people and Heg Seth saying all these things, I'm like, dude, you go out there then.
rex jones
Well, that's the problem with America's view on just like war and combat in general because we haven't had a mainland invasion of the U.S., we haven't had a domestic war since the Civil War.
Literally, we kind of just sit over here and it's like Otto van Bismarck said we have weak neighbors to our north and south and fish to our east and west.
We sit over here kind of in like the apex of our Power and we look at all these other nations around the world that are just right next to each other.
I mean, if you look at Iran, you got the Caucasus right there, you got West Asia right there, you got Europe right there, you got Africa right there, literally everything.
It's called the Middle East because it's the middle of the world.
When the British look down at the map, they're like, oh, this is the Middle East.
This is the middle of the entire planet.
And we're sitting over here, isolated for the past 250 years, just completely divorced from the concept of having to deal with these border disputes, these wars.
And then we tell these people who fought a brutal war against Saddam Hussein and lost hundreds of thousands of people.
Oh, we're just going to crush you.
When in fact, like they even hurting us a little bit, which they have the ability to do, we're like, ow, stop.
No, NATO, help.
Exactly.
unidentified
NATO, we need you.
rex jones
NATO, come open the strait.
Liberate it all.
Liberate the oil.
tim tompkins
We know we started this war, but we need your help.
rex jones
We didn't start the fire.
Yeah, exactly.
But here's what's going on this morning.
This is unconfirmed, but this is massive.
This is blowing up everywhere.
Mario Newfall, who I consider to be a pretty reliable source, he's saying it's unconfirmed, but he is reporting.
Reporting on it, a US C 130 is reportedly, this is speculation, flying low over Iran, dropping flares in an apparent search and rescue operation.
Apparently, this is to avoid enemy heat seeking missiles.
This is happening during a large search and rescue op.
Speculation, this is a claim, not confirmed yet, after Iran reportedly shot down a F 15E fighter jet.
We see it's on the front page of Drudge now.
So, this is your breaking news in the morning.
American Journal, you're hearing about this.
We expect this probably to be confirmed later today, if not later this week.
Now, I'm sure the US doesn't want this to get out.
What do you think they're going to be willing to do to cover this up if it happened?
tim tompkins
I mean, you can't cover it up now.
I mean, this is the beautiful part about information today.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
You know, you're getting it as it happens, right?
unidentified
Real time info.
tim tompkins
You go back to the Vietnam era, they could hide a lot of the mistakes that were to happen back then.
But now that you've got people with cameras, you've got people, look at that.
I mean, you can't even avoid seeing that.
That's a massive plane.
So everyone knows when something's going that low, it means you're trying to avoid a radar.
rex jones
We're deep inside Iranian territory as well doing this.
That's what we believe the video clip is of.
Again, this is all unconfirmed, but this is what's happening.
And this is the thing we had a little discussion with someone last night.
We won't get into it too much, but basically, they made apparent statements about the conflict, and now they say everything they say is not to be taken seriously.
It's all a joke, but ultimately, this is not a laughing matter.
unidentified
No, it's not.
rex jones
It's not.
tim tompkins
And this is what I tried to tell him.
I said, look, First Amendment, right?
unidentified
Right?
Sure.
tim tompkins
You can say whatever you want.
You can make jokes about whatever you want, but you do not have the right to control what the reaction is.
rex jones
Well, the thing is, is like, you can go, oh, it's a joke.
Ha, ha, ha.
Even if it is a joke, you're signaling support for what's going on right now.
How do you think that pilot that just got shot down feels about that?
That's a big ha, ha joke, you see.
And I think that's how Trump and Heg Seth view it, too.
You know, like, lives are just scraps to be tossed off the plate.
It's just, ah, you know, we got plenty of food.
We got plenty of soldiers in the refrigerator.
Hey, we got these here.
It's a little inconvenient, you know.
tim tompkins
Well, yeah, there's a lack of empathy.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
That's the problem.
There's a lack of empathy at the highest levels because there's so much distance between them and the decision that they're making.
It goes from the president down to the secretary of defense, and then it goes down to a colonel, like all the way down.
And you're not watching the footage of like the guy that you just sent to the front lines to get killed.
rex jones
That's right.
That's right.
And Thucydides, I mean, the ancient Greeks talked about this, like, Why do men of power send men off to die at war?
Because they can.
tim tompkins
Because they can.
rex jones
It's just because they can, it's almost an unemotional decision.
It's just choosing to use someone for a purpose.
tim tompkins
And you know what's interesting now?
It used to be a lot easier for there to be a clear winner and loser in these conflicts.
Like you go to war.
I think World War II was like the last time you had a definitive, a traditional war where you could clearly tell, okay, this guy won, this guy lost.
But then also the narratives that are created after the victor wins, right?
Those can't be, that can't happen again, right?
Because Churchill, we know about Winston Churchill, he was responsible for millions of deaths.
rex jones
That's right.
That's right.
But Victor's right, the history books.
And this is what we see.
And this is what we talk about just on the Gray Area American Journal as well there really aren't any heroes around.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
And when someone's trying to tell you the story or sell you the narrative, oh, it's the hero against the evil villain, usually that's wrong.
And we literally point that out empirically to prove it.
But I want to go to this because it ties into what we're talking about here.
For first time ever, Army Chief of Chaplain's Fire, that's like the head priest, preacher guy, right, in the military, by Hegseth.
And this is from Baptist.
It was hard to find this reported anywhere.
There's plenty of people talking about, oh, they fired the general.
They fired the general.
And yes, that is a big deal.
The general probably didn't want ground invasion.
It's probably why they let him go.
But they're firing the spiritual guy.
Pete Hegseth made national headlines April 2nd for firing General Randy George, the Army's chief of staff.
But on the same day, Hegseth removed Army Major General William Green, who had served in the post since 2023.
Traditionally, a person serves as Army Chief of Chaplains for a four year term.
No reason was given publicly for the dismissal.
Green's unusual dismissal came among a shakeup of top.
Army brass directed by Hegseth, who, of course, is an avowed Christian nationalist, really Christian Zionist nationalist, who believes America's war in Iran is sanctioned by God.
And this is just publicly stated.
tim tompkins
Well, what it is, Rex, is it's clearing house.
Let's get the yes men in there.
rex jones
Yes.
tim tompkins
Let's pile this up with yes men.
Let's get the guys in there.
rex jones
It's high five time.
They just run around in a circle, just high fiving each other.
tim tompkins
Here you go, Mr. President.
rex jones
Exactly.
tim tompkins
I'll do this for you.
Give me that raise.
Give me that promotion.
And so the people who want to speak out against the conflicts themselves, because a lot of these generals have lived through many of these conflicts and they know what works and doesn't work.
So the moment that you get out of line, and this is speculation because we don't know, we really don't know the real conversation that happened behind closed doors.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
Well, Look at this.
I think we kind of do know some of it.
I want to read this to you.
This is, I think we've covered it before on the show.
This is from The Guardian.
U.S. troops were told war on Iran was all a part of God's divine plan.
U.S. military commanders have been invoking extremist Christian rhetoric, Zionist rhetoric about biblical end times to justify involvement in Iran war to troops.
The MRFF, which is the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, says it has received more than 200 complaints from service members across all branches of the armed forces, including the Marines, the Air Force, and Space Force.
One complainant identified as an NCO and a unit that could be deployed at any moment against Iran told the organization in a complaint that the commander had urged us to tell our troops this was all a part of God's divine plan and had specifically referenced, and I got a little bit more numerous citations out of the book of Revelations referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.
And this is the quote that gets my hour up.
This is the thing that makes me go crazy.
This is absolutely unacceptable.
And in the Bible, it literally says anyone who says they know when I come back, don't listen to them like they're evil.
But we're going to go and get into it right here.
He said, and this is the guy instructing this guy to give his troops religious advice, not religious advice, religious cult advice.
He said that President Trump has been anointed by Jesus.
tim tompkins
Oh, my.
rex jones
To light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to earth.
That complaint was filed on behalf of 15 troops, 11 Christians, one Muslim, one Jew.
Universally.
People recognize this as a Jew.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
tim tompkins
Unbelievable.
Didn't the Bible talk about wolves in sheep's clothing?
rex jones
Absolutely.
tim tompkins
Okay, so here's the thing, guys.
I've talked about this and I want to reiterate.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
The people who are using religion to push their narrative are the worst kind of people.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
And the reason is, and I've said this before as well Christianity, whatever religion you practice, religion is one of those things where it can be either the best thing in the world or it can be used in a negative way.
rex jones
Well, they use it ultimately to say because we're on this divine mission, we get to dehumanize you.
And that's the problem.
tim tompkins
But the thing is, is when you tie it to a religion or a spiritual aspect, You know, you're giving it this divine, you know, will to happen.
And then you're trying to tap into that spirituality of that person when it doesn't connect.
It's like trying to put a circle inside of a square when these people know deep down, Jesus wouldn't be doing this.
rex jones
Absolutely.
tim tompkins
Jesus wouldn't tell me to go out there and kill a bunch of people who didn't deserve to die.
Jesus didn't say double tap the school of 180 girls.
rex jones
That's right.
theo von
Right?
tim tompkins
I mean, I know the Old Testament was a little violent, but that's the reason why they came out with the New Testament because they realized, hey, violence doesn't work anymore.
rex jones
That's true.
And it's also a situation where you got people in the Old Testament 2,000 years ago doing human sacrifice.
And they're like, yeah, kill the people killing their children.
That's a little bit more reasonable than saying, hey, Jesus is going to come back.
So we got to blow up a school.
And that's, you can say that's hyperbole.
You can say that's crazy.
That's literally their statement.
They say the war is to light the signal fire to anoint Trump to bring back Jesus.
tim tompkins
People are waking up.
You can't propagandize us anymore.
unidentified
No.
tim tompkins
The fact that I'm proud of those soldiers doing those reports and pushing out because they're watching everything in real time, they have access to their phones.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
They're on social media.
They know what's happening just like the rest of us.
And they know this war is not something that anybody wants.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
Well, this is like Scientology.
This is like Heaven's Gate.
This is like any one of these cults, right?
Where they think they're going to drink the Kool Aid and the aliens are going to come beam them up.
Because it's built off of a worship of insanity and death at the end of the day.
This will not produce a positive result from the world.
Even if you said, all right, the U.S. Empire is going to fight a brutal one year war against Iran, which they will win and they take over the country and greater Israel, whatever.
For decades and decades and decades, the Iranian people that need to be liberated will suffer under the destroyed infrastructure, no water, no electricity, no roads, they're blowing up bridges every day.
Is life materially better for those people because he says, oh, in America, we're going to make so much money off the war?
Cults, Aliens, and False Promises 00:05:14
rex jones
We hear this a lot.
It's not, see, it's both about God and it's about money at the same time.
How does that work in your mind?
tim tompkins
It doesn't, those two things cannot be mutually in the same room.
rex jones
Yes, not mutually exclusive.
tim tompkins
They can't be mutually exclusive.
And when you have the greed, the money, all of those different things, I mean, the Bible talks about these.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
It talks about being weird about false prophets.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And so I'm seeing a lot of false prophets.
We've seen that his spiritual leader, that lady who was like, the blood of Jesus.
unidentified
Yeah, she does.
The blood of Jesus.
rex jones
She does like the Chidori from Naruto and like attacks and sends the evil spirits out.
tim tompkins
And she's like, we need to bless him.
Bless him.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim tompkins
But also for $10.99, you can support this war.
Go ahead and donate behind this paywall.
rex jones
Oh, dude, it's not even $10.99.
Here, let me do my best impression.
For a $1,000 seed, if you plant a $1,000 seed today, you will get the blessing.
unidentified
Let me tell you.
Amen.
rex jones
Those people are the most evil people on the planet.
She goes around to poor old people and is like, give me the last dimes.
Give me the last dimes of your pension.
Let me have what you have.
I will do a miracle for you.
And they're just saying the same thing about this war.
tim tompkins
So beautiful because I'm thinking about this.
They're asking for that 10%.
They're like, that 10% belongs to the Lord, which also belongs to this war.
And it belongs to me.
And it's like, Dude, some people don't have that 10%.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
We're creating inflation.
We're creating all of these things that are crunching the American person.
rex jones
Look at that.
She's got QVC.
You can get the Crystal Cross for a donation of $1,000 or more.
tim tompkins
How much do you want to pull this?
unidentified
Pause it.
Pause it.
rex jones
I'm sorry.
I don't mean to interrupt you, Tim.
All right.
Go back just a little bit.
All right.
We got it up there on the screen.
I want to show that.
I want to show that prayer list.
See, this is the catalog.
This is what you pay for.
You get what you pay for.
You get an angel assigned to you.
You get to be an enemy to your enemies.
That's kind of hood, to be honest.
tim tompkins
What is an angel assigned to you?
rex jones
Yeah, well, she controls them apparently.
The angels are demons in this case.
Give you prosperity, take sickness away, give you long life.
We're not allowed to make supplement claims like this.
I can't tell you the supplement's going to make you live forever.
You give her $1,000.
She says you live forever.
That's the reward.
Cause increase for you.
Does that mean I get fatter as well?
A special year of blessing.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Oh, it only lasts one year and then you immediately die.
tim tompkins
price of $1,000, you can get a blessing that lasts for an entire year.
rex jones
That's right.
Well, does it start when you're charged?
Here's the thing that I want to know.
When the blessing runs out after a year, do you immediately die?
tim tompkins
No, That's not a part of the deal.
The deal says you live forever, is what she said.
$1,000.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
I'm looking at this now.
Maybe we can get it up one more time.
I'm looking at this bill right now for what you get for $1,000.
And this looks great.
You want all the things on this list, but maybe you don't have $1,000.
She needs to get with the time.
We need Klarna to come in and you need to be able to make payments on your.
tim tompkins
Klarna for the church.
rex jones
Yes.
tim tompkins
That's a new business idea.
rex jones
Clarna for the church.
tim tompkins
Clarna for the church.
rex jones
That's the new meme for today.
That's the new meme format of VNU doing the thing.
tim tompkins
And here's the thing we're not sitting here mocking the word of God.
This is a mock.
rex jones
We're defending God today.
tim tompkins
We're defending God and we're mocking the people who are making these awful situations for the people who don't know what's going on.
Look at that cross.
How much you want to bet that thing was made in like Shanghai, China?
rex jones
That came out of Indonesian factory.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And she's saying.
rex jones
Made in Iran.
tim tompkins
And they're trying to make it seem like you're getting something like fantastic with this, you know?
So I look at these things and I'm like, there are people who actually believe these people.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And well, that's the thing about all of this.
We can laugh at it, we can point it out.
There are people, and we've all been taken advantage of in various points of our lives.
There are people with a lot of mental health problems that feel like they need to give all this money away.
And this is one of the predatory groups of people that take money away from people that want to give their money away.
And really got to reach out.
People, if you're listening to this broadcast right now and you've given donations to a kind of like name it and claim it person, I would just advise you to keep that money for yourself and your family and just read your Bible because you don't need these people to do anything.
tim tompkins
And I can even do a deep dive.
rex jones
God is with you every second of every day of your life until you die and after.
You never leave God.
tim tompkins
Look, we could do a deep dive and maybe we do this, maybe we don't, right?
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
You can call me out.
Sure.
But we can see where all of these pastors who are flying around in mega yachts.
unidentified
We got to do it.
That's great.
tim tompkins
And private jets.
Like there are people who are taking the tithes and offerings and they're just living lavishly on your dollar.
So it's just, it's the lowest type of criminal.
unidentified
Really?
tim tompkins
In my mind, because you're taking something so sacred to somebody where they're truly trusting you because they want to be closer to God.
It's something that's dear and near to them because spirituality is one of those things that's almost an essential pillar that gives people some lightness and will to survive.
Pastors in Mega Yachts 00:02:55
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
Well, here's the thing that's so disgusting it's not a person like me going, I'm flawed.
I'm a sinner.
I'm wicked, but I love God and I want you to love God too.
She goes, I am the angel general.
I command the angels to go to you.
I send the power of rain.
unidentified
I send the power of fire.
rex jones
Like literally just like flopping around.
That's, in my view, spitting in the face of God.
unidentified
It is.
rex jones
To do something like that.
And we call it out because this isn't just somebody that's floating around randomly that we just point out on social media and say it's funny.
She goes to the White House, Tim.
tim tompkins
She goes to the White House.
rex jones
She gets input.
We don't get input.
She gets input.
What do you see that?
tim tompkins
And she's doing it to just glaze Trump.
I mean, she knows that that's the president.
There's a lot of good picture.
Yeah, she's getting great input there.
She realizes she's like an arm's length and she sees this as a power play.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
So I'm just saying, at the end of the day, when we look at all these situations, I just want people to wake up.
That's all we're doing.
unidentified
Wake up!
rex jones
Good morning.
unidentified
Wake up!
rex jones
Welcome to the American Journal.
Do not suffer this anymore.
Go ahead.
tim tompkins
No, no, no, no.
That was pretty much the point that I wanted to make.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
Well, that's powerful.
We got a lot more coming up.
I want to go ahead and read this while we stay on topic.
Pete Hegseth's top aide is spreading rumors for one reason.
This is from the New York Post.
Secretary of War Pete Hegseth's top aide, Ricky Buria, told colleagues last year that he and his boss donned disguises and went out drinking together.
What is Pete Hegseth tape on a little fake mustache and go out there and get hat?
tim tompkins
And the trench coat.
unidentified
Wow.
Okay.
rex jones
A juicy bit of gossip that's widely believed to be a lie and recklessly planted.
Ooh, see, it's not that they go get drunk, it's to catch the leakers.
You see, it's just, come on, man.
We know what you're about.
Pete likes to drink.
It's not illegal.
It's not a crime.
Go wear a fake mustache.
You don't have to lie about it.
tim tompkins
He's stressed.
You know, he's got to take that edge off.
You know, he probably feels a lot of pressure because he knows he's lying on a day to day basis.
That has to hit your conscience at some point.
You have to know internally, unless you're like a sociopath where, you know, these are things that you truly believe to your core.
But I don't see that.
I think a lot of these people are just trapped in a system where they feel like, okay, I just have to be part of it.
Otherwise, I have no future.
rex jones
Well, there's one friend that never leaves you.
You want to know what his name is?
tim tompkins
What is his name?
rex jones
Jack Daniels.
Jack Daniels.
So he's hanging out with Jack Daniels.
He's probably putting on the fake mustache.
They're saying, oh, it's to catch the leakers.
Oh, it's to catch the leakers.
Look, here's the thing.
We don't judge here, okay?
But you are the Secretary of War, so that means we do judge.
Why are you putting on the fake mustache and going out to the bar?
tim tompkins
Well, he can't be caught, Rex.
rex jones
Yeah, it's true.
tim tompkins
He can't be caught.
He's a man.
He's our leader.
rex jones
It's like a kid playing hide and seek, and it's like hiding behind a tree, and he can see me.
Like, you can't see me.
Uh-uh, you can't see me.
unidentified
And I'm not here.
rex jones
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
I'm doing it here.
rex jones
Doing the John Cena.
Student Loan Debt Trap 00:08:37
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alex jones
We've got more updates.
rex jones
We've got more clips that we need to see.
We're getting some headlines here.
We've got Fishback joining us in the third hour.
But you're going to want to stay here for the whole show because just in 30 minutes, we've got the deep dive coming up.
tim tompkins
What's the deep dive today?
What are we talking about?
Ukraine.
Yes, we're talking about the Ukraine conflict because that's the one that doesn't get as much attention anymore because Iran has taken all the headlines.
But when I look at the Ukraine war, we always talk about current events, but I wanted to understand the context and the history because this isn't the first time.
And I want to understand why Russia has so much beef with America?
And vice versa and beyond the Cold War.
And I'm just going to give context to all of that in the deep dive.
And you're going to be shocked at some of the things that you're going to see.
And it's going to make perfect sense why 2014 happened and 2022 happened.
That's pretty much what the deep dive is.
rex jones
Well, me and you have actually had a lot of discussions on Ukraine.
And I convinced you, I think, in a little respect, to look into it a little bit more and to just make the calculation of what's going on here with NATO.
And that's going to be the real discussion that we're going to have.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And let me just highlight.
rex jones
Yeah, sure, sure.
tim tompkins
Before I really dove into it, I kind of had almost like this Cold War mentality where I was like, well, Russia clearly is the enemy.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
You know, like I was propagandized, and this isn't to me, this isn't for me to say like, oh, well, Russia doesn't have its own issues.
It does.
I mean, they're not personally.
rex jones
But we look at everything.
tim tompkins
But like, I do now see the bigger picture of why they were pushed to do the things that they ended up doing.
So, yeah, that's what the deep dive is, and we'll do that at the second hour.
You guys don't want to miss that.
rex jones
I want to go ahead and go to this beauty of a Clip that we have of Trump talking about, you know, we've heard we were going to get all sorts of economic stimulus.
They're rolling out an offer of another two grand that we're never going to see again.
Let's go ahead and play the clip.
donald j trump
I don't think we would have to go the Congress route, but, you know, we'll find out.
The reason we're even talking about it is that we have so much money coming in from tariffs that we'll be able to issue at least a $2,000 dividend and also pay down debt for the country.
But we'd do a $2,000 dividend to the people of our country, it would probably set a limit of You know, income limit where it made sense.
But we will be able to make a very substantial dividend to the people of our country.
I believe we can do that without Congress.
tim tompkins
This is another nothing burger, man.
rex jones
That's what I was saying.
tim tompkins
Are we still serving nothing burgers or are we out?
rex jones
I was feeling hungry for one this morning.
It looks like we just got one in here.
Here's the thing How many times are you going to promise to help the American citizen out?
How many times are you going to say you're going to make things more affordable?
You're going to make the price of goods go down?
The price goes up, and then you promise us more imaginary money we're not going to have.
You don't have to do this.
tim tompkins
Well, I mean, we were promised.
Remember that Doge dividend?
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Doge doesn't even exist anymore.
rex jones
What's that?
tim tompkins
Never heard of it.
Doge dividend?
rex jones
No, just Doge.
tim tompkins
Never heard of it.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, look, they said after all the savings we're going to have for you guys, after we get all the corruption and drain the swamp, we're going to give you guys some money.
Right.
And not a single dollar has hit my bank account.
Has it hit your bank account?
rex jones
Absolutely not.
But this is another victory.
This is another.
Well, I was told by CatTurd, who I follow and subscribe to all the opinions of, I was told by CatTurd that we're panickens if we talk about Doge.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
tim tompkins
Well, let me jog your memory back to something, okay?
Because Biden did the exact same thing.
We go back to 2022, 2023.
Do you remember right before the midterms?
It was 2022.
Right before the midterms, they were promising to absolve the student loan debt.
That was a nothing burger.
I believed, like, I had student loan debt.
I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to get all my debt forgiven.
unidentified
This is amazing.
rex jones
It's amazing.
tim tompkins
And then they burn you so bad.
And, like, people were planning on that.
They actually were like, Not paying their loans back because they thought they were going to get repaid.
And they end up getting screwed.
And so, my whole point with that is you're just getting railed on both sides, just people trying to position themselves to make you feel good before the midterms.
This is a midterm plan.
rex jones
This is interesting.
And I'm sure some economists, or maybe even you, Tim, maybe we can go back and forth and argue on this.
I always thought the easiest way to deal with the student loan problem is to just remove the protection the loans have to where you can just charge them on bankruptcy.
Because right now, you can't discharge a student loan on bankruptcy.
Any other kind of debt.
You can, but you're right.
For those, you're locked in forever.
tim tompkins
Screw those companies.
I have no idea.
I have no idea how the university lobbies were able to pull that one off.
rex jones
It's crazy.
tim tompkins
And then you just think about the predatory lending that comes behind that, right?
You're letting, you can't, as a kid at 18, go and take out a loan for $300,000 on a house, but you can do that on an art history degree at Harvard.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
Make it make sense.
So we have all these systems in place.
In which they give you promises, they say, We're going to do this for you.
And then we also have on the other side, a lot of these programs that are actually just making it worse for the American people.
So I'm just trying to understand when are we going to stop getting these nothing burgers?
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
And we think about it you're someone, you're an engineer, you made the calculation, Tim.
You're like, I need to go to school.
I'm going to have to pay for it.
And I might have some debt from it later, but I'm going to be able to pay this off because of my career.
It gives me upward mobility, stuff I don't have before, not being a professional.
Now that you're a professional.
And you look at the vast majority of people that go to college, that's just not true.
You go to get drunk, get the literature, communications degree, or whatever.
And then four years after the fact, maybe they're in marginally less debt than you, maybe the 10, 20 grand less debt, and they're never going to pay it back.
tim tompkins
Never going to pay it back.
But that's something you die with.
rex jones
I was told a lot growing up that you have to go to college for the experiences.
It's all about the experiences.
I've been to plenty of college parties.
The only experience is just people puking on each other and breaking glass bottles.
tim tompkins
So let me give you some context here.
The experience, the networking, those types of things.
Freshman year, you have fun.
It's a blast.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
But you're taking the mindset of like an 18 year old and not thinking about what he's going to feel like by the time he's 21, 22.
rex jones
You're going to feel different.
unidentified
I'll let you know.
Yeah.
tim tompkins
You're going to feel different after you graduate when life really hits you.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
And so, again, this comes down to us having these broken systems in place to where we're not actually teaching people, okay.
Not all degrees are created equal, right?
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim tompkins
You go in, I graduated with a bunch of people outside of my engineering degree.
Most of those people, some people are librarians.
I'm like, you went to school to become a librarian?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Is that really what you did?
rex jones
And there are things that if you put the same time into, even if it's a trade or even if it's not that, even if you're just like working at Walmart or whatever, you work at Walmart for four years, you do a perfect job, bam, you're middle management, you know, and you're making good money.
You're making 60, 70, 80 grand a year, the same as somebody in that librarian position.
tim tompkins
Yeah, and they're making Yeah, I was about to say, like, some people are coming out of college and making the same as if you didn't have a degree.
But college isn't all bad.
It just depends on what degree you go for and where there's a good ROI on that investment.
But now the ROI is not balancing out because the debt just keeps going higher and they're building new cool buildings.
We've got the new student art center.
And it's like, this building's going to cost us a billion dollars and we're going to raise your tuition up another 10% this year.
Skyrocketing Tuition Costs 00:05:22
rex jones
It really is.
We see this pricing out of just the American from American society.
We see this around colleges, around education in general, around healthcare, around how we live in general.
You see people in Austin who'll be jogging down the street and they'll be wearing like $5,000 of wearable electronics and have a Rolex on their wrist and they'll run right by a homeless person that's bleeding out in the street.
Now, you can look at that as a microcosm and say, well, you know, one person's really down on their luck, one person worked really hard their whole life, has all the technology, whatever.
The wealth gap and the wealth disparity in this country just continues to get bigger.
Bigger and bigger and bigger.
And Trump comes out and he says, Oh, we're going to give you two grand.
What is two grand?
A rent for a month and a half?
And you say, That helps a lot of people.
That's true.
And we want that to happen.
I want the check.
tim tompkins
Well, here's the thing the alternative was, you know, you give people the stimulus paychecks and then that also made it worse too.
So it's like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, but you got to teach a man to fish.
Don't give him the fish.
rex jones
And by literally by giving them the money, you inflate the economy.
And it's just, it's, it's, there's no free lunch.
You can't have your cake and eat it too, is the old saying.
tim tompkins
And we're not making as much off of it.
These tariffs, as you think.
And also, didn't the Supreme Court come out with a case that said you're not allowed to do this anymore?
rex jones
I don't like it when Tim's racist.
I don't like it when Tim's racist like that.
Infinite money, it's made $90 trillion.
unidentified
You have Trump, right, right, right.
rex jones
The Dow is $50,000, like you always say.
unidentified
Let's go to this.
rex jones
Let's go to we want to talk about this hypocrisy, this double standard of the government always having money for war and all these things, but never having money for you.
Let's roll the Rubio Trump clip.
I believe that's clip number three.
marco rubio
Imagine in Iran that instead of spending their wealth, Billions of dollars supporting terrorists or weapons had spent that money helping the people of Iran, you'd have a much different country.
donald j trump
We have to take care of one thing military protection.
The United States can't take care of daycare.
That has to be up to a state.
We can't take care of daycare.
We're a big country.
We have 50 states.
We have all these other people.
We're fighting wars.
We can't take care of daycare.
It's not possible for us to take care of daycare.
Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things.
rex jones
He said he wouldn't cut them.
He said he wouldn't cut Medicare and Medicaid.
tim tompkins
Okay, so that speech that I'm seeing there, that was him supporting daycare or?
rex jones
No, that's him saying, we don't have the money for daycare.
We have to fight all these wars.
unidentified
Oh, hold on.
rex jones
Let's go back and let's play the Trump thing again.
Tim, I want you to take this in.
tim tompkins
I want to get your point.
Let me take this in because I got confused there for a second.
rex jones
I think you got something to say on this.
marco rubio
That instead of spending their wealth, billions of dollars supporting terrorists or weapons, had spent that money helping the people of Iran, you'd have a much different country.
donald j trump
We have to take care of one thing military protection.
The United States can't take care of daycare.
That has to be up to a state.
We can't take care of daycare.
We're a big country.
We have 50 states.
We have all these other people.
We're fighting wars.
We can't take care of daycare.
It's not possible for us to take care of daycare.
Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things.
unidentified
Your thoughts?
Okay.
tim tompkins
I didn't catch the military protection thing.
Yeah.
I mean, just look at the discretionary spending budget.
unidentified
Right.
49%.
tim tompkins
It was 47% going towards the defense spending.
And then you've got like this little 3% here for maybe education, another 3% here for like housing and urban development to where you don't have to like drive over a pothole.
We surely do have enough money.
This is gaslighting.
rex jones
Well, he says it's not possible to pay for the daycare.
The U.S. couldn't do that.
The states have to do that because we're fighting these wars.
I mean, it's not possible for us to pay for daycare, but it is possible for us to spend $500 billion in Ukraine and Iraq.
tim tompkins
Rex, 40 Tomahawk missiles would probably be more than enough to cover the daycare or the cost on a weekly basis for an entire year for a family.
rex jones
Maybe let's take the radars as an example.
Because with the radars, you have $20 plus billion of inventory that's been destroyed if you combine that with the planes and everything else that's been wrecked.
tim tompkins
Let's read that.
rex jones
We'll read that.
tim tompkins
Yeah, let's read that.
So he's saying providing daycare for every child is roughly cost $140 billion annually, okay?
And then the national cost reaching over $3,100 annually.
Yeah, so $140 billion.
rex jones
Well, they could pass $200 billion.
tim tompkins
Every single kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Okay, but we can ask.
Yeah, you're right.
Guys, we need $200 billion right now.
rex jones
And here's the thing that's just paying for it all outright.
If you subsidize it and make it affordable for people, it's not nearly as much money.
tim tompkins
No, no, no.
But like, even if you were to take the whole thing, the $140 billion, You were to prioritize and just say free childcare for everybody.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
You wouldn't even touch the spending we just asked for.
rex jones
Can you imagine, Tim, how outrageously popular that would make anybody who implemented that program?
tim tompkins
No, but you know what would happen?
Some lobby, Lockheed Martin is like, uh uh, that's all.
unidentified
That's our money.
Yes, yes, yes.
tim tompkins
How dare you try to help out that single mom of four who needs to still go to work and find somebody to watch her kid?
unidentified
Uh uh.
rex jones
That's right.
tim tompkins
My Tomahawks need some commission.
rex jones
We got to refill the missile order.
We got to get that done.
That takes priority.
This is everything we're talking about and more.
Theo Vaughn Voices American Pain 00:03:02
rex jones
I want to go to the Theo Vaughn Joe Rogan clip because Theo Vaughn is voicing everything you're voicing, everything I'm voicing, just the pain of the Americans having to deal with this.
And Rogan's just like, just come hang out with me and my billionaire friends.
So we'll just go ahead and watch that clip now.
theo von
It's all just a cat and mouse game.
People are like, we'll like the Democrats next time.
It's like, but it's all the same shit has been happening forever.
They haven't been helping anybody forever.
They're letting fucking politicians slurp on kids.
All of our fucking money goes to Israel and they're using it to fucking genocide people.
It's like everybody is scared out of their wits right now.
It's like our religious leaders are afraid to speak out.
And it's like the, it's a time where it's like Satan is amongst us and our religious leaders are fucking talking about bullshit at the poll.
It's just like, what is going on?
I don't know, man.
unidentified
We got to get you off those antidepressants, son.
You're losing your fucking marbles.
theo von
You think I am?
unidentified
Come hang out with us.
Just chill out.
theo von
I'm here.
rex jones
So, sorry for all the swearing.
I apologize to the crew.
Bye bye, radio license.
But here, it's Good Friday as well.
So, Dio Vaughn voices his concerns.
Rogan's like, you just come hang out with us.
Rogan, you're worth a billion.
tim tompkins
Well, I mean, like, I think Rogan understands in the back of his mind.
He's like, I don't even, I don't think he knows what to do.
He's like, you might as well just come hang out with us because we don't really have a solution.
Now, I look at that.
And, you know, Theo Vaughn is a comedian, but like for him to get serious about this says a lot about the state of where we're at in the country.
rex jones
Sure, sure, absolutely.
Well, I mean, he's just voicing the everyman perspective.
That's what being a man of the people is all about.
And I think the reason why Rogan is so popular and all those people that came up really in that 2000s, 20 teens era of like original podcasting is because it felt like you were talking to somebody real, someone that was connected to society, someone that was going through the same things as you, fans of the same sports and stuff as you, just kind of like a common man's perspective.
But now we get into it, and it just seems like those people are completely divorced.
And you got Theo Vaughn, who's really that old guy, that old spirit of podcasting, who's talking about the will of the people.
And oh, like, let's just talk about sports, man.
Let's just, ooh, isn't that crazy that wildlife video?
unidentified
No.
rex jones
And this is why I got so mad yesterday.
Like, if you're going to talk about serious topics, then let's be real about the stuff going on in the world.
tim tompkins
Well, also, the thing that I was making, and we're referring to kind of this debate that we had with somebody on our show last night, big, big, big person.
And the point that I was making and Rex was making was he was making a lot of jokes about, What was happening in society.
And I said this I said, if you have such a big platform, and I'm not sitting here trying to tone police you, but if you have the ability to push the right narrative and that you can actually influence people in the right decision, why not take that conscious effort?
rex jones
I think the thing for me is that I just like, I just, you say it's a joke.
I engage in dark humor.
I don't want to joke police or anything, but nobody's laughing.
No, no, the people that are dead aren't laughing.
Like when you say you want to destroy a country and you don't say that's a joke and you're going to make that position, you're going to make that claim, people around the world are crying right now.
And like, this is a very serious time to be alive.
Dark Humor Meets Real Death 00:08:10
rex jones
It's a very serious time to push the country forward.
We also heard that, like, well, when you get older, you'll understand the presidents are just all bad.
No, absolutely not.
But you know, 30, 40, 50, 60 year olds just say this stuff all day.
Like, we're demanding a higher standard.
tim tompkins
But they call you, you know, how outrageous this is.
They call you deranged sometimes and they're like, Rex, how can you be angry?
They're like, how could you be anti war?
And it's like, come on.
How could he not?
I mean, we've seen this play out for decades now to where we're in the same merry-go-round and we just want to get off the ride.
We do just let me off the ride.
I've been on this for ever since I was born.
I'm 27 years old.
The United States has been in some new conflict.
rex jones
Sure.
tim tompkins
We haven't gotten off this hamster wheel since I've been alive.
And I'm sure a lot of you guys at home, people who are even twice my age, have also been on this merry-go-round for 50 plus years.
rex jones
And that's the thing.
When does this stop?
When does it stop?
It stops when we get off that hamster wheel that Tim is talking about.
And that's a very simple calculation.
It takes three moves.
You stop moving, you look down at your feet, you take one step off, then you take the other step off, then you're off the hamster wheel.
All we're asking the government to do, we're not even asking them to build a moon base or do anything crazy.
All we want them to do is stop funding death.
tim tompkins
But the thing is, I'm feeling like America's just afraid to let go of the wheel because they think China and Russia are going to.
Going to step in.
rex jones
They think they're going to treat us like we've treated them.
tim tompkins
Yeah, that's the secret sauce there.
Sure.
Because we know we've treated people badly.
And if we allow China to get any edge over us, they could give us the same treatment.
rex jones
And that's very profound because that's what America has done.
America's violated the golden rule.
And this is why we're in the quagmires and problems that we're in today, is because we haven't treated other nations how we want to be treated.
tim tompkins
Well, and I'll add this, right?
A lot of these conflicts are actually conflicts between all the people in positions of power.
They all have beef with each other.
The people, the average person does not have beef.
rex jones
Collateral damage.
tim tompkins
So like the only solution I see here is all the people who have been involved in these conflicts, and I'm talking about China, Russia, you know, the Middle East, like those people need to be like switched out with new fresh meat that actually, you know, is just an average person that understands.
And I'm saying like also being qualified.
I'm not sitting to take somebody random and just put them in that position.
Again, it's just like we need a refresh of the mind to where we have a clean slate.
Everybody can be like, all right, guys, we know we've all screwed each other over here.
I think it's time to stop this and let's cooperate here.
America, we come into the table, we're like, hey, we'll stop bombing you.
We'll stop threatening you.
We'll stop destabilizing your country.
Just promise not to retaliate.
And that promise that they're afraid of the other country not giving back, I think that's why we're continuing to go in the circle.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
And it's like the harder you try, it's like a Chinese finger trap.
The harder you Pull, the harder it is to get out.
The real secret to get out of a Chinese finger trap is to relax and actually push it in more and then it releases on itself.
tim tompkins
But the solution isn't what Biden did, right?
Where Biden had no backbone and he was just taking it, right?
Like that's not the solution either because when Biden came in and they had no real plan and they thought they were doing something with the whole Ukraine and then.
rex jones
Operation My Butt's Been Wiped by Joe Biden.
Yes, exactly.
tim tompkins
It didn't work out because there also has to be a level of respect there too.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
In order to listen to you, do you need to respect you, but you don't have to get that respect through pure force alone?
rex jones
And we're given these extremes.
We're given Biden, then we're given Trump.
And Biden does one war, Trump does another war.
We're asking for in the middle, we're asking for Goldilocks.
We don't want the porridge that's too cold or too hot.
We're asking for the thing that's just right.
And I feel like we all know what that is because he ran on it.
And that's what we voted for, man.
You know?
And that's what's so heartbreaking.
unidentified
It is.
tim tompkins
It is heartbreaking.
We got anything else here?
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
You know, if you want to go ahead and throw up, that Chinese nuclear weapon article that ties into what we're talking about?
tim tompkins
It does tie into what we're talking about.
And you just see, again, these situations are playing out now.
And it's just, we're turning up the oven.
And so now we're seeing China is expanding their nuclear arsenal.
Rex, I think we're in another Cold War here.
rex jones
We were in a Cold War for a long time, and it's getting hotter as things progress.
I mean, the number one thing that America's done geopolitically that's been damaging just for the state of the world and the survival of the world, really, is the removal of the New START Treaty.
The Russians desperately tried to get us to agree to a year long extension to it.
We said no.
Now there is no limit on our nuclear weapons program, and that's going to be the same for the other countries as well.
That's called proliferation.
It's evil.
Nuclear weapons are real, and they are evil.
We need to get rid of them.
Arms control.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
Let's go ahead and read this article.
I'll give it to you here.
rex jones
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Satellite images reveal major expansion of Chinese nuclear facilities in Sichuan.
China has been secretly expanding its nuclear weapons infrastructure in Sichuan province in recent years, according to a CNN investigation.
Based on satellite imagery and government documents, as global arms control agreements weaken, and that means the U.S. leaving them, and geopolitical tensions rise, the development center around sites in and around Zitong County, which satellite images show extensive construction, Including the demolition of villages, that's big construction, and the building of new facilities linked to nuclear weapons production.
In one case, residents in Sichuan were evicted from their homes in 2022, with authorities citing it as a state secret.
So now it's just out in the open.
Wow.
More than three years later, satellite imagery shows the village flattened and replaced with structures supporting nuclear related activities.
One of the most significant additions is a dome shaped structure that's around 36,000 square feet.
The reinforced facility is surrounded by concrete and steel.
Equipped with radiation monitors, blast doors, and ventilation systems designed to contain radioactive materials such as uranium and plutonium.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So I'm just, again, because we're the new guys on the block.
We haven't lived through the Cold War era.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
I just don't see the point of what, I mean, nuclear weapons are deterrent, but how many do you need in order to actually deter someone from actually attacking you?
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
You know, the thousand plus.
I mean, how many nukes does it take, guys?
This up, how many nukes would it take to actually eradicate the entire Earth?
Yeah, let's.
unidentified
Can we?
tim tompkins
I just, I'm just very curious.
I know we're coming off on a break here, but it's just, I can't see it.
Like, you wouldn't even be able to launch a thousand.
rex jones
Well, a weapons increase is the next best thing because they say, in the case of MAD doctrine, mutually assured destruction doctrine, if we're not going to have nonproliferation, if we're not going to have no nuclear weapons, we got to have more of them than you because we got to win the nuclear exchange.
And you see that sickness of the mind.
And if you think, if you've been propagandized, you're like, we can win this.
No, we can't.
tim tompkins
Okay, so it would take as few as 100 nuclear weapons, less than 1% of global arsenal.
rex jones
Could trigger a nuclear autumn winter causing massive worldwide failure.
tim tompkins
Okay, so 100 nukes, I'm pretty sure China already has that as is.
We've got like 2,000 to 3,000.
Russia's got like 2,000 to 3,000, 4,000.
unidentified
Russia's got a little more.
rex jones
China's got a little over 1,000 as well.
tim tompkins
Right, so again, I don't understand.
Why are we building these wrecks?
rex jones
I want to be sitting here.
I want to talk about a second golden age.
I want to talk about amazing things.
Trump is doing.
I want to talk about victories and successes for MAGA, but we live in reality.
And the reality we're talking about now is nuclear weapons.
So if you're like us and you voted for Trump and you were looking for good things, we got to talk about the bad now.
We got to keep it real because we got to demand better in future administrations, don't we, Tim?
unidentified
Yes, we do.
tim tompkins
And we're coming up on the deep dive here in the second hour.
You guys aren't going to go anywhere.
We're going to be talking about Ukraine, Russia, everything that is about that conflict.
unidentified
We love it.
tim tompkins
We need to know there.
We will be back after the break.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
Deep Dive into Ukraine Conflict 00:02:52
roger avary
You know, these revelations of that, you know, the elites at a very high level, and we actually know the basic number of them as well, are doing human trafficking, human rape, and human sacrificing of children because they're the closest to God.
And when I like read this, I mean, it's unthinkable.
Like, you don't want to believe it.
And so I mentioned it on Joe Rogan.
But I also mentioned that I was starting an AI company.
And what shocked me is after the show, more people wanted to talk about the AI thing, and more people were upset about, you know, that I was starting an AI company than they were about, you know, this nightmare of elites eating babies.
conan obrien
It's the first time since 2012, first time since 2012 that there are no British actors nominated for best actor or best actress.
unidentified
Yeah.
conan obrien
British spokesperson said, yeah, well, at least we arrest.
Our pedophiles.
unidentified
So, we got that one.
roger avary
And so then I started thinking about why.
Why is this happening?
And I mean, we've seen people who have spoken about it, who have participated in it and who have left.
It's a kind of.
It's an initiation that you go through to become a confidence initiation that you go through to become part of a team.
And that's when I realized that this is not something that's unique to the elites, that human nature involves these kinds of hazing initiations, or else we wouldn't see it happening since childhood.
peter robinson
Andrew Breitbart, I'm quoting you, in a newspaper interview he gave last year discussing the people who run Hollywood, quote, uh oh, yes, quote, I'm telling you they're uninteresting.
They're vicious, they're vitriolic, they're really, really not good people, and I'm willing to say that on the record.
Is there any of that that you regret?
unidentified
No.
peter robinson
What makes them really, really not good people?
andrew breitbart
Well, I'm not saying the entirety, but the ones who have controlled Hollywood for the last 40 years, that quote could be attributed to the campus left as well.
It could be attributed to people who are in charge in Venezuela right now.
Anywhere where the left gets control, you start to see political correctness run amok.
You start seeing dissenting views quashed.
Conflicting Information and Propaganda 00:02:58
andrew breitbart
They use projection right before they do so.
They start attacking the people that they're about to go after of being guilty of the very things that they do.
alex jones
And lesser magic, which the Satanists do, they'll tell you they show the thing in play before they do.
They believe it makes it happen and it gives it more power once they do it.
And And then you have the Podesta plan that if Trump won, they would actually do this and have the military turn against Trump.
But now they've tried it.
It's not an endorsement of Trump.
He's doing some things I don't like right now.
The point is, they are literally pre programming this and admitting it.
roger avary
Yeah, and they're willing it into happening, and they're showing everyone an example of what it would be.
So that, again, the revelation of the method, you see what's there, and it makes it okay for it to happen.
And it's a form of also predictive programming.
unidentified
And you started to do that.
alex jones
And you started to do that on the show, but then I do it too.
He cut you off on another subject.
Elaborate, because I've studied the Graham Grimoires, black magic, all that stuff to understand these people.
They talk about you have to show them, you have to tell them that's a metaphysical rule, it also gets them ready.
And then it makes it even more powerful when you actually do it.
And then you realize that they're doing this.
Speak to that if you can.
roger avary
Well, we live in a universe of mind.
And the one thing I've started to realize is that these kinds of forms of spells, this magic is real.
When you believe something enough, you create a reality.
alex jones
Yeah, we call it a spell.
What it is is a narrative to control your mind, and we can build incredible things.
So it's a program.
roger avary
It is a program.
You select it, you project it, you expect it, and then you collect it.
It's the spec method, and it actually works.
And so, people who are using it for, you know, there's good spells and bad spells, and there's spells that are promoting humanity, and then there's spells that are disintegrating humanity.
When people are.
tim tompkins
Bringing the morning with you guys here on the American Journal.
Rex, we got some new news coming out, breaking, right?
unidentified
We have conflicting information.
rex jones
Apparently, it's been confirmed by Axios.
That's Mario Newfall reporting it's been confirmed by Axios that they did indeed shoot down the F 15.
Now, we've got a statement from U.S. Central Command, CENTCOM, from 17 hours ago, where they say, claim Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard says it downed an enemy fighter jet.
It says, fact, all U.S. fighter aircraft are accounted for.
What's going on here on Axios then?
tim tompkins
It says the IRGC has made some false claim at least half a dozen times.
Okay, you know, again, this is like fog of war.
This is fog of war.
This is propaganda going back and forth, back and forth.
And they want to confuse you on both sides so that you can't tell what's the truth.
Shock Therapy and F-15 Shootdowns 00:15:01
tim tompkins
That's why we have independent news.
Didn't you have an article or Mario's reporting on it?
rex jones
Mario's reporting on it.
I don't want to get too much into the conflicting information.
I just want to let people know right now there's an active dispute between the two countries.
America says we haven't.
Lost any planes.
Iran says we've lost a plane.
Now it's being confirmed by Axios, which really is a U.S. government mouthpiece, that this has happened.
I really don't think this story would have come out if there wasn't some substance to it.
Just want to let you know you're going to want to tune into Alex Jones' show and the war room.
I'm sure more will come out.
But go ahead, let's get into the deep dive.
Let's talk about Ukraine.
tim tompkins
Yes, deep dive.
This is my favorite part.
This is something that is near and dear to my heart.
Again, we do the deep dives to give you guys information, give you guys context beyond the headlines.
What we're going to be talking about today is the Ukraine war.
And the things that are not so mainstream, because there's a lot of confusion on why the United States and Russia and Ukraine have gotten into this situation.
And you have to go very far back to understand how we actually got to today.
rex jones
Just really quick, we're told the Star Wars story of poor, innocent little Ukraine.
Russia comes in for absolutely no reason.
And you're like, oh, well, NATO expansion, all these reasons.
Go ahead and get it done.
tim tompkins
Okay, well, let me just preface this before I get started.
Okay, I spend a lot of time doing this research.
I do it in an impartial way.
When I go in, I go in and I look at facts and I don't look at skewing it one way or another or giving you a spin.
It is up to you.
The viewer, the listener at home to make your own decision and judgment based off of the information that I'm going to give you.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So let's talk about the Russia Ukraine war, the war that nobody explained to you.
So if you've been following the Russia Ukraine war, you probably think it started in 2022, but that's not actually the real story.
This conflict has gone all the way back into the 1990s.
And the US, the UK, the NATO have been involved from the very beginning of this process.
And so the NATO governments have sent hundreds of billion dollars to Ukraine.
Yes.
And so U.S. officials are actually acknowledging this whole thing about a proxy war.
So, why does most of the coverage skip the first 30 years?
And we're starting to see this pressure build up.
And we can pull up this graphic of the Soviet Union because we need to look at these photos and understand what's happening here.
So, the Soviet Union was something that happened throughout the 80s and ended in the 90s.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
And you can see all of the countries.
rex jones
It started after the revolution.
unidentified
Yeah.
rex jones
It started after World War II, we're talking about.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
I meant to say it carried all the way through.
rex jones
In 1991, it dissolved.
tim tompkins
It dissolved in 1991.
And they had this whole thing communism, socialism, whatever you want to say.
It didn't work out.
unidentified
Okay.
Uh oh.
tim tompkins
It didn't work out.
And that's part of the reason why you had the whole Cold War.
So in 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed.
Russia went from a superpower and it broke overnight.
So this Boris Yeltsin took over, governed from 1991 to 1999.
And then his vision was simple he wanted to just partner with the West and end the hostility and just join the global economy.
But that's not actually what happened.
So in 1992, Russia basically adopted this radical economic policy that we came up with, known as shock therapy.
And the idea from the United States was this immediate capitalism.
Well, it was immediate capitalism and open the markets.
They wanted to, the idea was to take the state run and make everything privatized as quickly as possible, similar to how we have here.
And the government is only an entity and it doesn't control everything.
And so they would open up the markets, they would sell off the government industries, and they were going to move price controls all at once.
And then if.
If it wasn't for some rogue experiment, and if it was endorsed by the IMF, the US Treasury and Clinton administration, they all supported this.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
And we sent economic hitmen over to their country to divide it up and chop it up and run it.
We're like, oh, well, you know, we got the company milk, the country's milk, the USSR milk.
It's our milk now.
But it became too expensive for those companies to produce those things.
You got mass shortages.
Talk about the shock.
tim tompkins
So let's watch this video that explains shock therapy.
Pay attention here.
This video is important to the context of everything.
Go ahead and roll the clip.
unidentified
Publics.
@aitelly
Enter Boris Yeltsin, the first president of the Russian Federation.
Yeltsin inherited a country in turmoil, shrinking the economy, rising nationalism, and widespread uncertainty.
To address these challenges, he turned to Western economists and institutions like the International Monetary Fund, IMF, and the World Bank, who advocated for shock therapy.
Shock therapy was rooted in the belief that transitioning to capitalism should be as rapid and sweeping as possible.
The idea was that short term pain would lead to long term gain.
His architects like Jeffrey Sachs and Anders Esland argued that gradual reforms.
Risked a return to socialism.
Instead, they pushed for a clean break, dismantling the planned economy in one fell swoop.
The first step was lifting price controls, which had kept goods affordable during the Soviet era.
Overnight, prices skyrocketed.
In January 1992 alone, basic necessities became unaffordable for many.
A loaf of bread that once cost a few kopeks suddenly cost several rubles.
Hyperinflation reached 1,354% that year, wiping out savings and plunging millions into poverty.
For ordinary Russians, this was a nightmare.
Imagine an elderly pensioner who had saved her entire life. under the Soviet system, only to find that her money was now worthless.
People began selling heirlooms, furniture, and even clothes in makeshift street markets just to survive.
This period became a symbol of desperation, with grandmothers hawking antique samovars and men bartering tools for food.
Unemployment, a concept virtually unknown in the USR, surged as industries shut down or downsized.
State-owned factories, once the backbone of Soviet life, could no longer compete in the global market.
Entire towns built around a single factory, known as monotowns, were devastated, leaving residents without jobs or Prospects.
Privatization was another cornerstone of shock therapy.
It was here that the seeds of Russia's oligarchy were sown.
State assets, from oil fields to aluminum plants, were sold off at bargain prices.
Ordinary Russians were given vouchers to buy shares in these enterprises, but most sold them for cash to survive.
The beneficiaries, a small group of well connected insiders who amassed vast fortunes almost overnight.
Take the example of Roman Abramovich, who acquired the Sibnev oil company for a fraction of its value, or Mikhail Kotarkovsky, who became one of the richest men in Russia by acquiring Yukos oil.
These oligarchs wielded immense power, not just economically, but Politically shaping Russia's future in ways that still resonate today.
tim tompkins
Okay, Rex and I lit up at the same time.
Rex, you want to talk about that quote that you just wrote down?
rex jones
Well, well, well, where have we heard short term pain, long term gain before?
We're hearing it right now about this war, about this conflict.
You see, propaganda never changes, just the application of the propaganda.
tim tompkins
Well, that is the whole reason why we do these deep dives because it uncovers history and humans have a repeatable pattern in which we've done these things before, we've lived through.
So anything you're hearing now where we talk about short term pain, For long term gain, we've seen it not play out before.
So, how do we think that it's going to play out positively today?
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
And I mean, past behavior is the best indicator of present and future behavior.
And what do these governments do?
Whenever we look at history, they're always just finding ways to screw the people.
Look, it's like, oh, we're going to make it equitable.
We're going to give everybody shares in these companies that we're going to sell off.
But we know everyone's starving.
We know everyone needs to sell the shares for bread, for oil, for food.
So, the oligarchs are going to get it.
It's just, you understand this when you set the system up.
And I think a lot of the time, like with this world, like, We didn't know the straight would be closed.
unidentified
What?
rex jones
And they're like, well, we know it's going to be closed.
It's our calculation.
We got to have regime change.
So they just tell us the truth, please.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Tim.
tim tompkins
Well, let's just look at what happened to Russia's GDP after this.
And you're going to be shocked.
Russia's GDP fell approximately 50% in less than a decade.
Wow.
50%.
Let's go ahead and pull up this graphic so that you can see it.
It is insane.
When we look at these situations and you just see, okay, so we'll read this real quick.
Russia's GDP fell by 50% between 1992 and 1998, and the industrial production declined by 56% in the same time period.
rex jones
Well, that's called winning.
Like, that's the same winning we're dealing with right now.
And that's also probably how it was sold as well.
unidentified
Go ahead.
tim tompkins
No, well, but wait, there's more.
We got to look at what also happened because now you saw the inflation go up 1,300%.
You also see the Rate at which men are dying starts to go up incrementally.
And so life expectancy is starting to get greater and crime starts to surge and drug abuse starts to explode.
And then ordinary Russians are drowning.
And this one tiny group at the top, the oligarch, is just sitting there salivating.
rex jones
The ruling class.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
So can we pull up that life expectancy chart?
And you're just going to see how much the life expectancy.
So you can see in 1985, they were doing okay.
And then the US just comes in in 1990 and they're like, all right.
rex jones
Dude, they had a life expectancy of 58 of like 57 years at one point.
You look at France, you look at the West there, you look at that kind of gradual uptick as healthcare gets better, as technology gets better, as lives improve and as things get easier.
And you look at them, they're in the hurt locker.
unidentified
Right?
rex jones
And look at France.
tim tompkins
France is chilling.
France is like, hey, we don't really care.
And they're also involved in these decisions, right?
So I want to pull up that quote also of Berkovsky, Boris Berkovsky.
Well, Borachovsky.
Yeah, so he's just talking about, he's basically bragging here that a handful of bankers controlled about half of Russia's economy and most of its media.
You can go ahead and read this.
rex jones
Sure.
Borachovsky said the exclusive club of tycoons included Smolensky and Potinin.
I don't know how you say that last one.
tim tompkins
I skipped their names.
rex jones
Along with banker, I'm going to try to do it, and media mogul Vladimir A. Guchinsky, now 46, oil magnate and banker Mikhail B. Kordachevsky, 35, and bankers Mikhail M. Fredman, 34, and Pieter O'Avin, 43, who together head the Alpha Group of Financial Firms.
Among them, Borachowski claimed they controlled half of Russia's economy.
tim tompkins
It's insane.
50%.
rex jones
Making all his decisions.
tim tompkins
Seven people controlling 50%.
What do you think that does?
Do you think that they have the right morals to do the right thing by the Russians?
rex jones
No, It'd be good for them.
They're going to destroy the country.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
So then there's also, we got to look at this William Burns cable because the U.S. ambassador warned Washington that Russians felt humiliating and that they believed that the West was exploiting their weakness after the Soviet Union departed, right?
So, this shock therapy didn't just collapse the economy, it poisoned the entire relationship, Rex.
And so the Russians came out of the 1990s believing that the West was going to do something to help them, but they ended up almost destroying them almost on purpose, it seems like.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
Well, I mean, the goal is like the smash and grab, the destabilization.
We see a lot of that here with people getting rich and making all these insider trading, all these deals.
What happens?
You have a response, and what's that response called, Vladimir Putin?
We're going to get into that a little bit later in the deep dive, but ultimately, What we're seeing here in America is a reflection of the Soviet Union because bad leadership is going to lead to that strong man.
unidentified
Yes.
rex jones
And people are going to want that.
That's what Fuentes always talks about you have one guy, maybe he doesn't care too much about human rights, but he's going to change things for the people.
And that starts to become a very dangerous calculation as time goes on.
Yep.
tim tompkins
Right?
unidentified
100%.
tim tompkins
Now, let's go ahead and pull up number six that talks about William Burns in this cable saying that the West is taking advantage.
So let's go ahead and read this, Rex, if you could read that.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
Winter in Russia is not a time for optimists.
And in some respects, the popular mood here mirrors the descending gloom.
Born of a mood of national regret over the loss of superpower status and an equally acute sense that the West is taking advantage of Russia's weakness, assertive policies abroad have become one of the few themes that unite Russians.
Yeltsin wished to reaffirm Russia's great power status and its interest in neighboring post Soviet republics.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
So he is important here.
And he's one of these people who's in the government, who's trying to almost.
Whistleblow in some certain capacity, but no one cares.
rex jones
No one cares.
tim tompkins
And we're seeing these things play out over and over again.
And then the biggest thing here is NATO.
We made some promises during the 90s that we have not kept.
So while Russia was falling apart, NATO was expanding east.
And for context, NATO's military alliance, it's pretty much if you're in NATO, an attack on you is an attack on everybody.
Part of the five.
Everyone knows this.
So NATO is moving closer to Russia's borders, but it's not just politics.
It's a direct military threat.
And just remember, we promised Russia when we were taking the Soviet Union apart that we wouldn't move one inch east.
rex jones
And that's so key.
I want to come in here and talk about this.
unidentified
Go ahead.
rex jones
Keep this graphic up here on the screen for a second.
After 1991, NATO added 12 countries.
After 1991, the USSR, now Russia, dissolved the Warsaw Pact, which made all those post Soviet republics now post Soviet republics.
Russia even tried to join NATO twice.
We didn't want that to happen.
Here's a little trivia question for you, Tim.
On that map there, which country on that map, it's actually not on that map, which country have they had the second most NATO exercises?
unidentified
36.
tim tompkins
36.
Well, what are you thinking?
Ukraine?
rex jones
Ukraine.
That's right.
So they use Ukraine as this military staging ground.
They use this Ukraine situation as something they've given pseudo security guarantees to.
And ultimately, they've desperately wanted NATO or Ukraine to join NATO because that's the completion of the security armada against Russia in their mind.
tim tompkins
Yeah.
rex jones
And they just can't let go of that Cold War threat.
tim tompkins
Well, yeah.
And like I said, the U.S. Secretary said this, right?
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
James Baker, he told Gorbachev, who was the one who was making the negotiations, he said we wouldn't move east.
And as you've pointed out.
We went another country and another country.
And then you're starting to see in 1999, we took Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic.
And now Russia's just seeing all these things play out.
And then we have something that happens in 1999 that also contributes to changing the narrative around NATO's position because NATO was created as a defensive pack, not an offensive alliance.
rex jones
Not an offensive alliance, a defensive.
tim tompkins
Okay, so let's go ahead and pull up and play number eight.
Eight here that's going to talk about the bombing of Yugoslavia and it changes the rhetoric and the tone for the rest of the world going forward from this bombing.
unidentified
Russia may have taken the expansion of NATO more lightly if it weren't for another major event in 1999 the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.
NATO Expansion and Yugoslavia Bombing 00:15:19
unidentified
The first bombing of its kind in NATO history.
On March 24, 1999, Western nations carried out their threat against Serbia and began the biggest military conflict on Serbian soil since World War II.
This was the first time NATO used military force without the approval of the UN Security Council and thus international legal approval.
This showed that NATO would operate not only as a defensive alliance but an offensive alliance that had no problem bombing sovereign states it disapproved of.
Russia observed all of this and never forgot it.
Even the famous Russian writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn decried the action, saying, NATO has proclaimed to the whole world, might is right.
Those who are strong are always right.
He added that it was the destruction of a beautiful country in full view of humanity, while civilized governments applaud this.
Not only Russia, but many countries across the world opposed these actions by NATO.
It was a serious departure from what NATO claimed to stand for.
And people would not quickly forget this.
rex jones
All right, we got to look at the timeline here.
I'm going to jump in a little bit.
What's going on in 1999?
Oh, Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky scandal.
So, Bill Clinton decides to bomb Yugoslavia, to bomb Kosovo, I believe, for 79 days.
That's an example of now modern foreign policy.
That's distracting from the Epstein files.
tim tompkins
So, it's great analysis there.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
You kind of create some noise over here.
Don't look at what I did over here.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Create some noise over there.
Get everybody to.
But again, it's like.
People don't look at the long term chain reaction that happens.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
Right.
And this graphic is showing you, I mean, the NATO alliance, it just keeps going up, and you just see country after country after country.
This is a great graphic here.
And then look at that.
So, again, do you see where we're moving to?
I mean, you just see all the countries ganging up.
And then it leaves room for a new president to come in, which we know as Vladimir Putin in 2000, because the Russian population is.
rex jones
They're done with it.
tim tompkins
They're done with it.
Their entire economy decimated 50% over an eight year period.
And then now you have Vladimir Putin who comes in and he starts cracking down on the oligarchs.
Okay.
He was part of the KGB, but you can tell.
And this isn't like me being, oh, I love, I love Putin.
I mean, Putin has murdered people.
But again, he is coming in here with a reason to save his people.
And he cracks down on the oligarchs.
He reasserted state control and he basically stabilized.
The economy.
And so then you start seeing after the 2000s, the living standards go up, crime starts to drop.
And this is why Putin has become popular or why he even became popular because he gave Russian stability after the decade of chaos.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
I mean, that's the key thing to always point out.
Like you're talking about, of course, all these people, all these world leaders are killers, but Trump had the key line in that 60 Minutes interview I always call back to.
And the guy's talking to him.
He goes, You know, Putin's a killer, sir.
Putin's a killer.
You really want to work with Putin?
He's a murderer.
And he goes, Trump goes, You think we're so innocent?
And that's the nature of global politics.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Excellent point.
And here's the thing even after all of that that happened in the 90s, the relations with the U.S. didn't just improve.
And after 9 11, Russia was actually one of the first countries to offer the U.S. support.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
And they wanted to come in and they wanted to share intelligence.
They offered cooperation with the Bush administration.
And then NATO kept expanding, anyways, after the point at which these situations happened.
unidentified
Okay.
Sure.
tim tompkins
And then it goes right up to Russia's border.
And then 2007, Putin's like, I've had enough, man.
And so he goes in and he stands in front of the Munich Security Conference and he publicly calls out NATO of its expansion and serious provocation that's happening.
And he says, against whom is this expansion intended for?
Let's go ahead and roll up clip number nine here.
And it's going to show you Putin and what he says during this conference.
unidentified
All of this, when 9 11 happened, Russia still declared full support to the U.S. in fighting terrorism.
America didn't seem to care about this gesture of goodwill.
In 2004, NATO underwent another round of eastward expansion, this time taking in the Baltic states, Romania, and several other Eastern European countries.
In 2005, President Putin complained to American diplomats You Americans need to listen more.
You can't have everything your way anymore.
We can have effective relations, but not just on your terms.
In February 2007, he delivered a dramatic speech in Munich where he protested the continuous expansion of NATO.
translator russian
It turns out that NATO has put its frontline forces on our borders and we continue to strictly fulfill the treaty obligations and do not react to these actions at all.
I think it is obvious that NATO expansion does not have any relation with the modernization of the alliance itself or with ensuring security in Europe.
On the contrary, it represents a serious provocation that reduces the level of mutual trust and we have the right to ask against whom is this expansion intended.
tim tompkins
What do you think about that, Rex?
rex jones
I think it's a fair question.
I mean, You say you need this security alliance, this defense, this offensive alliance that's going to bomb these countries.
Who are you protecting the people in your alliance against?
You're trying to protect them against us.
And I mean, he put over the overtures.
He tried to join NATO twice.
tim tompkins
He did try to join NATO twice.
rex jones
So we look at it and we're like, well, we want things to get better in the world.
We have hope for change.
And we see world leaders say, hey, you know what?
Maybe we're motivated in our own self interest.
Why are you being aggressive towards us?
We're not trying to declare war on you.
And then you see these military actions happen.
Decades later, you see the Russian invasion into Ukraine, and then people talk about it like it all happens in a vacuum.
tim tompkins
This is why we talk about the history.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
This is why we give you guys context because these things are not just readily available that they're just reporting on them on a regular basis.
No, it's headline after headline.
New bombing happens here, explosion here.
Donetsk is under fire.
And it's like, okay, well, can we start asking more macro level questions and understand, okay, why are we in this in the first situation?
I mean, the Biden administration, I'm going to cover in the deep dive.
rex jones
We got a lot more.
tim tompkins
What was the whole reason why this also played out?
But we're going to be coming up on a break here.
But again, you guys don't want to go anywhere.
We are only halfway through the deep dive, and there are a lot more details for you guys to know about.
We will be back after the break.
This is Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins on the American Journal.
See you after the break.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
rex jones
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Tim, back to the deep dive.
tim tompkins
Yeah, so we were talking a lot about this NATO expansion and going through the history.
And so, you know, this is the playbook that kept repeating.
And so, throughout the 2000s, you know, something kept happening in the countries right up to Russia's doorstep.
And so, governments were being overthrown and replaced by pro Western, pro NATO leadership.
And then you see these so called color revolutions.
I'm sure you've heard of that.
And from Moscow's perspective, the U.S. was behind them.
Let's pull up number 10 showing the color revolution.
Go ahead and read this.
rex jones
Yeah, absolutely.
I'll read the highlighted part.
And this is talking about Ukraine.
But while the gains of the orange bidet, Chestnut Revolution or Ukraine's, the campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in Western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavory campaigns.
What's that referring to, Tim?
tim tompkins
Yeah, I mean, this is, we do this all the time.
We do these regime changes, right?
Because if there's somebody not cooperating and not playing against our rules, get them out of you.
rex jones
Seriously.
Take them out back and replace them.
Then they'll say, we don't do that.
As well, Trump came out and said the goal is not regime change.
And then you have him on tape like 10 times saying, Well, we're the best at regime change.
tim tompkins
Didn't you know, right?
rex jones
Nobody does it like us.
It's true.
That's very true.
tim tompkins
So now we go into 2004, and we have this orange revolution.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So this is a disputed election between two candidates, Victor Yuchenko and then Victor, I'm going to butcher his name, Yukonchevich or whatever.
And so protests started to erupt.
Okay.
And the result flipped.
And a pro leader.
So originally, this one guy won.
And then somehow they reversed it and put in a pro Western candidate to actually win this election.
And you can pull up this picture.
Yeah, this is Victor Yuchenko.
And he's the new guy, the yes man, the guy who's going to follow NATO, who's going to follow the U.S. into battle.
And so they also used the same playbook in Georgia called the Rose Revolution between 2003 and 2008.
The United States trained Georgia's army and military.
And then in 2008, Georgia attacks the south of Oseta.
And then they do a breakaway region in which it's right on Russia's border.
And then Russia has to respond.
Okay.
And then they won that battle in five days.
And the EU does an investigation after all this happens.
And they do determine that Georgia fired first and that the NATO countries and the US were responsible.
This is Europe doing their own investigation.
unidentified
Okay.
Okay.
tim tompkins
So now we just see this from Moscow.
This pattern is undeniable.
Okay, you've got political turnover, you've got Western alignment, you've got military buildup on their borders, and then for every one of those countries, it's just a warm up.
And we know where the real target is, right?
And it's Ukraine.
And this was the one demand in the one area that has been the most sensitive for Russia specifically.
Okay, Ukraine was different from all the rest because it mattered to Russia more than any other country on the map.
And in 2008, the U.S. ambassador warned that Ukrainian NATO membership was the brightest of all red lines, not just for Putin.
But for the entire Russian political class.
And American officials knew exactly what they were doing, pushing against this narrative.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
I want to talk about the Ukrainian situation a little bit prior to this.
You got to keep in mind Ukraine had, I believe, the second most nuclear weapons in any of the Soviet bloc countries up against Mother Russia, right?
And when they became their own country in the post Soviet era, post 1991, they made a deal.
They said, look, we're going to declare ourselves to be totally neutral.
In exchange for that, we want security.
Security guarantee from both the Russians and the West that you're not going to mess with our state.
Well, that's the strongest argument for Ukrainian sovereignty and for this war and for their side of the story, their campaign.
You look at that, though, and you go, well, you agreed to be neutral.
Now you're hosting 36 NATO exercises.
tim tompkins
Now you're a NATO partner.
Well, just think about it this way we were about to go to nuclear arms, like to nuclear conflict over Cuba.
rex jones
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
How is that any different in a Ukraine situation?
rex jones
100%.
I totally agree.
It's just a new Cuban missile.
Crisis.
I mean, the Cuban Missile Crisis, they're saying they're going to put nukes down in Cuba.
That's right on our border.
We can't allow that.
We got to go to World War III.
Got to go to nuclear war.
It's the same exact calculation for the Russians.
And you think about the American hubris of, oh, we're more important.
They don't matter.
They're not going to do anything.
tim tompkins
So that's why 2014 is important because we've heard 2022 and then a lot of people point to 2014 as another major conflict.
Let's pull up this video of the Ukraine, NATO, and the Maidan coup because this is very important context.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
Let's go ahead and pull up number 12 here with that video.
unidentified
In 2008, the U.S. Ambassador to Russia, William J. Burns, wrote to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite, not just Putin.
In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin's sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine and NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.
American officials were fully aware that Ukraine joining NATO was something that no one in the Russian leadership could tolerate, whether they be in Putin's circle or his liberal critics.
Nevertheless, in 2014, the U.S. government under Barack Obama backed the infamous Maidan revolution in Ukraine.
This revolution overthrew the Russia friendly government of Viktor Yanukovych and replaced it with a pro NATO government.
John McCain, Victoria Newland, and other American government officials were literally.
tim tompkins
Cut back to me for a second.
This is McCain and these congressional people, the people who are American looking at this, like it's a cold play concert.
And they're like, ooh, this is so cool.
And here's the thing here's the thing that pisses me off here, okay?
These people have no idea of reaction and consequence.
And action leads to something that happens way down the line.
unidentified
Wake up!
Wake up!
tim tompkins
These aren't jokes.
You're gonna cause conflicts down the line.
You're gonna lead to.
Hundreds of thousands of people dying, and you're sitting there with your camera like it's a Coldplay concert.
And I'm like, these people have no idea.
rex jones
They set it up, they literally run it all.
Victoria Nuland, John McCain literally filming the color revolution.
It's in black and white, not even black and white, it's in Technicolor, it's in 4K, as we say today.
tim tompkins
It just pisses me off.
rex jones
Sure, makes me mad.
tim tompkins
They have no idea what they're doing, and we call these people the adults in the room, and they're just meddling in people's elections, and it causes chain reactions.
And you just think, like, if something like that were to happen here, Rex, what would happen?
I mean, we already were freaking out when people thought Russia, the Russia collusion was real.
Zelensky Puppet and War Escalation 00:15:38
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
But, like, to openly have, let's say, like, Russian oligarchs sitting there filming, like, you know, let's say, like, Trump doesn't get in and, like, they put in another puppet head.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
People would have a riot.
rex jones
Yeah.
tim tompkins
Okay.
No, 100%.
rex jones
They would crash out.
They would go crazy in the street.
But you see, we're the good guys.
We're the world government.
So, we get to go over there and play world government.
unidentified
Yes.
rex jones
We're the globalists.
That's really what it is.
America, the Western Empire, whatever you want to call it.
That's what globalism is.
tim tompkins
And again, there's a domino effect where you have no idea what you're going to cause down the line.
And so, these actions have been responsible for the decimation of cities, killing of people's families, murder of citizens who had nothing to do with these conflicts and they had no clue what they were doing.
They just said, This is a good idea, sir.
This is the best thing since life spread.
We just need to make sure these people follow our command and we put a guy in there that's going to be good for the American people.
unidentified
Yep.
rex jones
And here's the thing you think about this when you were talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis and kind of pointing out the example of the hypocrisy there.
The illegal war of aggression, the evil Russians rolling in in February of 2022.
What are we doing in Iran then?
If that's an illegal war of aggression, this has Far less justification.
Just giving that as an answer.
tim tompkins
No, no, no, you're right.
No, like, let's play out the rest of the video because you're going to see the reaction of what happens.
It is massive.
The implications are very real.
Let's go ahead and roll the rest of that clip, please.
unidentified
On the ground in Ukraine, cheering as it happened.
They didn't even bother to hide their involvement.
Just a week before the coup occurred, there was a leaked phone call of Victoria Nuland speaking about the Ukrainian opposition as if she controlled it.
When asked about how the EU would react to all of this, she replied, the EU.
So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it and, you know, the EU.
No, exactly.
And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because.
You can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it.
That's how much he cared about European interests.
And people listening to this in the EU area should seriously consider that.
In response to this coup, the ethnic Russian regions of Ukraine, such as Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea, immediately rose up in rebellion against the new Ukrainian government.
Kiev declared them all to be terrorists and launched what it called an anti terrorist operation to destroy them.
Russia, seeing the opportunity, gladly stepped in to back these separatists and annexed Crimea.
Crimea had long been disputed between Russia and Ukraine, and this was seen by Moscow as the chance to settle the issue once and for all.
A war began between the Russian backed separatists of eastern Ukraine and the US UK backed government in Kiev.
The New York Times reported plainly in 2024.
The partnership between the CIA and Defense Intelligence of Ukraine began in late February 2014.
So, immediately upon the Ukrainian government changing, it was recently revealed in declassified documents that the CIA built 12 military bases on the front lines in Donbass.
tim tompkins
Unbelievable.
rex jones
So, that's a war.
Like, we're fighting a war against them, and then they fight back or they try to seize territory they think is significant to their conflict, to their war, to their objectives.
And we go, oh, no, no, you can't do that.
unidentified
You can't.
rex jones
You're not allowed to fight against us.
We're allowed to build up force against you.
tim tompkins
Well, imagine naming your own citizens.
Who probably voted for somebody, right?
And then calling them terrorists because they don't agree with you doing a regime change to put somebody who didn't have your best interest in mind.
True, unbelievable.
So, when I look at these situations, I'm like, it's very black and white for me.
It's like we have a history of meddling our nose in other people's.
It doesn't belong, it doesn't belong.
And here's the thing Russia, it's all this Cold War stuff because they think it's the Soviet Union still.
No, Russia realized that communism and socialism didn't work.
That is why it collapsed on its own with the help of the NATO countries and a lot of other countries pushing that.
But they realized our people are struggling.
This isn't going to work out.
And that's why you had succession after succession and countries getting out.
rex jones
And we see these economies.
Here's the thing we're all mixed economies.
The United States is a mixed economy, government owns.
Percentages of very large corporations like Nvidia, government basically controls a lot of things behind the scenes.
The same is true in China, even more so, and in Russia, maybe to a greater or lesser extent.
To say that we are the free market liberal warriors who go around the world and liberate these oppressed populations from the evil, tyrannical, fascist, communist dictator, we don't live in 1940 anymore.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
Yes.
And let's just look at the funding chart on number 13 and just see how much money we fueled.
rex jones
That's what it's always about.
tim tompkins
It's so much money, man.
So much money.
Hey, we can't do daycare, remember.
rex jones
That's right.
Daycare is too expensive.
tim tompkins
We need moms.
Let's go ahead and pull up number 13 here with the funding chart.
unidentified
Wow.
tim tompkins
Just look at how much the U.S. contributed in 2024.
rex jones
Bilateral aid commitments from the top 20 donor countries and from European Union, EU institutions as of December 31st, 2024.
You got the United States at over 130 billion.
And then the EU is a little bit close to that, like 110, 125 billion.
UK is at like 40 billion.
Germany is at close to 30.
And then it kind of drops off a cliff from there.
tim tompkins
I'm sorry, how are we the biggest number here when we're the furthest away?
rex jones
That's an excellent point, Tim.
tim tompkins
Somebody make sense.
Somebody make this make sense.
Well, see, you got.
I mean, Germany's right there.
rex jones
Tim, you're not a patriot.
You don't think it's great that America controls and manipulates and abuses all these people around the world?
Hey, we need to spend the 100 billion so we control another country thousands of miles away from you.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim tompkins
And here's the thing we're going to air out what Biden did here, but also Trump was responsible in these circumstances, too.
Okay.
unidentified
Under Trump.
tim tompkins
The U.S. shipped lethal weapons to Ukraine for the first time.
For the first time.
rex jones
Obama gave you blankets.
I gave you javelins.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
He sent javelin anti-tank missiles, expanded training, and then he did deeper intelligence cooperation.
And under his presidency, he did brag exactly what Rex just said.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
And then under Biden, it just went to overdrive.
Sure.
I mean, he just said, let's just crank it all the way up.
And then Ukraine had been pushing for NATO membership for years.
But under Biden, He was like, come on in.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
You can join us over here, open for business.
And so at that point, remember, we said that this earlier, like the U.S. ambassador warned in 2008 that this was the brightest of all red lines for Russia.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
And Washington knew what this signal meant.
Biden's alive during this time period, was he not?
rex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
rex jones
Well, it's debatable.
unidentified
Go ahead.
tim tompkins
I mean, he was under the Obama administration.
rex jones
He was walking around.
tim tompkins
He was walking around.
So now you've got all of these situations play out.
And as soon as we started this bid to try to get Ukraine, Russia was like, we've had enough.
I mean, there's only but so much you can take.
And you can sit here and call me, you're a Russian commie puppet.
And it's like, no, man.
I'm just looking at the facts.
I'm giving it to you guys at home.
As I said, you have the ability to make your own decision with this information.
And this is not me being partisan.
I've talked about both Trump and I have talked about Biden in the same sentence here.
And they have both committed this entire situation to get off the rails.
And there's no end in sight.
rex jones
Yeah, they're both killers at the end of the day.
Like these people are murderers and they're murderers of people far away and at home.
And like that's what they do is their position is to generate more money and as a consequence, more death.
That's what the military industrial complex is.
That's what it is when Larry Fink of BlackRock goes over to Ukraine with Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff.
Tim meets with Zelensky and they decide how his country is going to be divided up.
unidentified
Yes.
rex jones
It's all about that.
It's not about helping the people on the ground, it's not about liberating them from the evil force.
It's about control.
It's always about control.
And this is why these are very serious topics, Tim.
tim tompkins
Very serious.
rex jones
These are very serious things.
unidentified
Very serious.
tim tompkins
And they sit in the rooms and they make the decisions.
And again, you just wait.
Years from now, you start to see the implications, and you can see the same thing happening now with the Iran conflict.
Okay.
Not to say that Iran didn't have its military proxy groups and the terrorists.
That's a real threat.
But again, we're making all of these knee jerk reactions and have no idea what's going to happen down the line.
We could be gearing up for a World War III situation.
It is that scary because the whole world is now under the pressure of these economic situations that are happening now.
rex jones
Well, Trump told Zelensky you're gambling with World War III, and now it looks like.
We're gambling with World War III in a full and total war.
You look at this, I know we got a little bit more in the deep dive.
I want to make sure we're done.
The old world order of like, you know, Biden is senile, waddling around.
The old deep state people, they all wanted to get into the Cold War beef because that's where they come from.
It's like we talked about on the deep dive.
It's that old animus, it's that old hunger for that battle.
The new faction of the deep state, the like Israeli Zionist faction of it, they're the new guys and they're like war in the Middle East.
It benefits you fighting China, you get to fight against the IMET corridor, you got to do this against Iran.
So, whether it's that first power block, the anti Russian power block, or the second power block, the radical Zionist Iran war power block, you don't get a peace power block.
There's not a group of people that are like, hey, let's make things better.
It's like, oh, we want this war here.
We're the Democrats.
We want this war here.
We're the Republicans.
And this is the thing people are like, I've seen people online apologize, and I've apologized for it, but in a different way.
People being like, I didn't know I voted for Trump.
I didn't know what I voted for.
People are like, yeah, I should have voted for Kamala.
unidentified
Well, Kamala wanted more than Trump.
tim tompkins
No, no, no, no.
Absolutely not.
rex jones
It's, it's, All sick, and we're calling out the hypocrisy on all sides.
tim tompkins
Well, here's the thing, Rex the reason why I voted for Trump after being a Democrat for so long because that was the lifestyle that I was born into.
Okay, you've got 95% of blacks vote Democrat, and you're on the East Coast.
Biden and Kamala and all of these things were the reason why I'm like, we have no idea what we're doing here.
We need to stop this now.
Trump, save us.
And he came and he gave his platform.
He said, no more new wars.
And I said, perfect.
He has a better relationship with Putin than Biden would ever have.
And maybe he will end this war within 24 to 48 hours.
But no, he's got to give him more missiles, escalate it because he's not cooperating.
And Zelensky's little Zelensky.
unidentified
Is out here, yes.
Missiles work on.
rex jones
Yeah, pretty good.
unidentified
Pretty good.
rex jones
I like it.
unidentified
I like it.
tim tompkins
So when I look at all of this, I'm just like, okay.
We have a situation where I think we need to start another program outside of, you know, the foreign exchange program where I said go trade a congressional person with a military person.
I got an even better plan.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
tim tompkins
Every single person who's in Congress needs to go through history class.
rex jones
Yes, yes, let's do it.
tim tompkins
Absolutely.
We're going to demand this, okay?
If you are in Congress, you need to go over and you need to sit down with Tim Tompkins and do these deep dives so we can teach you on causality and all of the things that happen afterwards.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
You just got to study the history of world conflict.
You got to study geopolitics.
You got to do your job.
It's not enough to go up there.
And Kamala says, well, Russia is a big country and Ukraine is a little country.
And Russia is being bad and is being mean to Ukraine.
So we have to go and kill millions of people and spend hundreds of billions of your money.
I'm Kamala Harris.
And here's the thing Kamala, you got to study the topics.
You got to do a deep dive with Tim.
tim tompkins
Got to do a deep dive with Tim.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
tim tompkins
Absolutely mandatory.
unidentified
Wow.
tim tompkins
We demand this.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So, yeah, that's the end of the deep dive here.
I do these because I love.
Giving history.
I love giving context.
I spend a lot of time.
I spend hours doing the research because I care.
I care about educating people.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
And that is my ethos through and through.
unidentified
Sure.
tim tompkins
Truth is always going to prevail.
I want to be on the right side of history, however, the dominoes and the carts fall.
unidentified
Sure.
rex jones
I mean, we look at this whole Ukraine situation, and now we look at Iran, and we look at the rapid advancement in real 21st century modern warfare, modern combat.
You have the FPV drones.
You have the missiles and the missile defense systems.
You have all sorts of trench warfare style engagements where you can't have mass groupings of troops or tanks anymore because they just get taken out by the FPVs.
You've got to have like a real old style of combat backed with extreme air support and drone support.
I mean, they have areas in Ukraine, I think it's like a 20 mile or 200 mile, I forget which area.
I think it's 200 mile, where it's literally just FPV drones, fiber optic cable all over the ground, and no one can pass it because they're at an official stalemate.
You know, I was wrong about this last year.
I really thought.
The Ukrainians were going to have to make concessions at this point.
I think they're still going to have to make concessions.
It's bloody, man.
tim tompkins
I just don't understand how they've survived so long.
And Russia is now making more money off of the oil deals.
And now the Iran conflict has turned into their benefit.
And they're making money off of producing drones for Iran as well.
They have a lot of ways to go.
They're winning this war of attrition.
rex jones
And I think they're in a difficult position, but I think you also got to ascribe a little bit of a profit motivation to them as well.
Because war is good for business.
unidentified
For business.
rex jones
Doesn't matter what country you're in.
tim tompkins
You're right.
unidentified
Right.
rex jones
So, I mean, all these people.
Want to talk about ending the conflict?
You know, Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev, y'all have had means to end the conflict.
Y'all have continued the conflict on because it makes you money.
tim tompkins
Yeah, and this is the thing.
Putin is not the best man in the world.
He's actually murdered people.
rex jones
He's taken all the world leaders.
tim tompkins
Yeah, a lot of the world leaders have issues on their own.
Okay.
This isn't me trying to be the Putin puppet.
It's really just, it's people need to get along.
People need to do the right thing.
People need to get over the ego and actually make things happen.
rex jones
They got to live in reality.
And that's what the American Journal is about.
That's what Gray Area is about.
Let's go ahead and throw up our Twitter really quick, if you can.
I want you guys to know we do a Thursday and Sunday show.
It's a two to three hour show.
We really look forward to Sundays.
We always have a marquee guest.
We always have a phenomenal deep dive.
This is actually one of the deep dives we've done before on the gray area, but reloaded for mass presentation.
We wanted you guys to see it because it's just one great example of the phenomenal information we give you every Sunday.
You're going to want to go to gray area talks on exit and check us out there and truism, Tim, as well.
tim tompkins
Go ahead.
Yeah, give me a follow.
If you guys really do like the value that I'm giving, the simple way you can support is just giving me a follow.
I really do appreciate it.
I respond to DMs, I see comments, I'm trying to be engaged.
I like to interact with people.
And I would be curious to see what you guys think about these deep dives.
So we're about to have Fishback on very shortly, you guys.
I don't want to go anywhere.
We got a lot of questions to ask him.
Freedom Limits and Enforcement Grids 00:04:17
tim tompkins
He's making a lot of headlines these days.
rex jones
I'm looking forward to it.
He's a spicy guy.
He's a fun guy.
Maybe he's going to win.
We're going to have Fishback on starting next hour.
jon bowne
The International Energy Agency has dropped another bombshell from its Paris headquarters, unleashing a fresh 10 point plan dubbed Sheltering from Oil Shocks.
Released amid Brent crude spiking toward $120 a barrel and the Strait of Hormuz largely shut down, the document urges governments to slash global oil demand by an estimated 2.7 million barrels per day within four months.
Key COVID 2.0 S Measures include mandating work from home up to three days a week, dropping highway speed limits by at least six to ten miles per hour, imposing car free Sundays in major cities,
alternating vehicle access by license plate where odd numbered plates get access on certain days and even numbered plates get access on the other days, pushing carpooling and public transportation as we dwell in a reality where all of the machete wielding lunatics are free to injure anyone they.
Please, under Blue City Soros DAs, cutting non essential business flights by 40 percent and promoting efficient trucking and rail alternatives.
Yeah, you know, the trucking industry rife with illegal aliens.
unidentified
This illegal immigrant came into America on March of 2022.
He was given a federal work permit by the Biden Harris administration, and Gavin Newsom gave him a CDL license.
On this day, he was driving intoxicated.
When the traffic in front of him slowed down, he didn't slow down and he plowed right through eight cars, immediately.
Killing three individuals and seriously injuring four.
jon bowne
And the rail alternative from the likes of the $16 billion California Governor Newsom burned to create nothing.
gavin newsom
You want to be big?
You got to be big in big things.
This is the only high speed rail system of its type anywhere in the United States of America.
You could talk.
You want.
You guys are actually delivering, making things happen.
jon bowne
On the surface, it reads like pragmatic crisis management for a genuine supply crunch.
But we just went through this engineered behavioral control bureaucratic nightmare.
And in some respects, we still are.
And I guarantee the American people are not going to line up like sheep this time.
This isn't the first time the IEA has rolled out such a blueprint.
Back in 2022, amid the Russia Ukraine fallout, they issued an almost Identical 10 point plan to cut oil use that pushed remote work, slower speeds, car free days, and reduced air travel.
Measures that conveniently aligned with the post COVID new normal of emerging restricted mobility and digital surveillance.
Now, in 2026, the agency is recycling the playbook under the guise of sheltering consumers with language like immediate actions for.
Advanced economies and heavy emphasis on limiting personal freedom of movement that will quickly morph into policy mandates, fines, internment camps, and enforcement grids.
The IEA's own net zero by 2050 roadmap has long telegraphed the end game, slashing fossil fuel demand not through abundant, cheap energy, but through rationing your lifestyle.
The populace, corralled like sheep, All while the elites jet between climate summits and award ceremonies.
Expect the usual cascade towards establishment insolence, where corporate compliance, media cheerleading, and gradual normalization of surveillance apps to optimize your carbon or oil footprint ramp up.
The Agenda 2030 goal is less than four years away, and the fools are going for broke.
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John Bound, reporting for Infowars.
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rex jones
Well, we are being joined live by the powerful gubernatorial Florida candidate, James Bishback, who's running against the infamous, at this point, Byron Donalds.
We want to ask him about his campaign, about events going on in the world, things he's been involved in, conversations people are having.
@aitelly
People are having.
rex jones
James Fishback, welcome to the show.
tim tompkins
Yeah, we're glad to have you on, Fishback.
It's been a while.
The last time we talked to you was on our show, probably what, like four months ago, five months ago?
A lot has changed, and we just want to catch up, see what's going on because we haven't been seeing you online.
So, what's changed since then?
james fishback
Well, a lot's changed.
Congratulations to your new show, and it's great to see you guys here, and thanks for the opportunity.
I want to just start off by saying, That I want to wish everyone a meaningful Good Friday.
And I would ask everyone to say a prayer if they could for the two men that were in that F 15 that was shot down by the Iranian regime just an hour ago, that search and rescue operation underway.
But it's sad that the conflict has gotten to this point and keep those two men in our prayers as we hope and pray for an end to this war with Iran.
rex jones
Yes, I was going to ask you about that.
There are multiple reports, some unconfirmed, that there are some real nasty things developing right now.
I've seen multiple news sources report on it now.
Axios has reported on an F 15 being shot down.
What are your thoughts on that speculation?
james fishback
Yes, it is tragic.
It is yet another reminder that the leaders who wield the levers of war and peace have to be very conscious about what wars we are getting into and why and how we should maintain the peace.
And so I voted for President Trump in 2024.
I don't regret that decision, but I do think this war is misguided.
I haven't seen any intel that suggests that there was an imminent threat posed from Iran to the United States.
It looks far more likely that it was Israel trying to get us once again into one of their wars to increase their influence in that region.
And so It is sad that we're yet again seeing potentially more casualties on the American side, whilst Israel has yet to suffer a single casualty in a war that we would not be in if it were not for them.
And so that's why I went to Washington, D.C. two weeks ago.
I stood outside of the Capitol and I respectfully pushed back on the administration that I support, that it's time to either share credible intelligence that shows that Iran does, in fact, pose an imminent threat to the United States, or it's time to begin to de escalate this conflict and bring the thousands of troops who have been sent to the region back home.
tim tompkins
Now, I'm very curious, kind of like the behind the scenes aspects to running a political campaign.
And when you go to Washington and you do these things, you're on a big platform now.
Do you ever get any pressure behind the scenes as you're speaking out against these conflicts?
james fishback
Yes, to put it lightly, the DMs be blowing up.
And so, yes, of course, there are the people who try to stop or push back.
And I welcome that debate.
But I think at the end of the day, Americans deserve to know the truth.
unidentified
Right.
james fishback
Tim, not your version of the truth or my version of the truth, but the truth.
And the truth is that the reason why Joe Kent resigned from the number two at the Director of National Intelligence was because he hadn't seen the intel.
The reason why Tulsi Gabbard was asked point blank under oath in congressional testimony if Iran was an imminent threat, and she refused to answer.
And so, say what you want about George Bush, Colin Powell, 2003 in the Iraq War, at least they had the common courtesy to give us a made up pretext for the war.
They're not even extending that courtesy these days.
And so, I voted for President Trump, among other reasons, to end the forever wars.
The forever wars that were started by George Bush, perpetuated by Barack Obama.
This was a break, a post partisan break from the neocon uniparty consensus that always found a way for us to get involved in foreign conflicts.
And so I think that's the number one reason why a lot of people in my state voted for President Trump.
I went to the internment of the U.S. service member who was killed in the early days of the war in Kauai, Major Cody Cork.
And when you go to one of these funerals and you see up close what war does to people, it really does shape.
And reframe how disastrous this conflict can be.
And so there's no question that Major Cork died a hero.
He died in service to his country.
And it's time to make sure that we can limit all future casualties and do right by service members and make sure that we are honoring their commitment as well.
rex jones
Very powerful point.
I just want to say this to the viewers, listeners at home, the people hearing us right now doing this interview.
War is a dead body in the grave rotting with maggots in it.
War is a little kid with no arms or legs.
That's what war is.
And when you go out there and you support a conflict without knowing much about it, just Accepting government's narrative, whatever they're going to tell you, just realize what's going on.
And we're not divorced from these conflicts.
Whatever happens overseas could eventually, potentially, God forbid, happen at home.
You're running this very intense grassroots campaign where you're literally talking to everybody in an effort to beat the big funding.
When you talk to people on the street, when you go to these funerals, when you talk to soldiers, veterans, you name it, what's the feeling about war from them?
james fishback
They understand that it's a necessity, that sometimes it is absolutely necessary and you can't avoid it.
But it also means that when you do go into war, you have to have a clear exit strategy, clear defined objectives.
We had the president of the United States address the country two days ago, and he talked about bombing Iran back to the Stone Ages.
That's not a clear objective.
That's not why we're going to war with Iran, is to bomb them back to the Stone Ages.
In fact, Rex, we've heard at least five different explanations as to why we're in this war.
It was to stop the nuclear program.
I thought Operation Midnight Hammer fully denuclearized.
Iran last summer.
And then it was regime change.
Here we go again.
I thought President Trump was against regime change.
And then it was to avenge the deaths of American service members that Iran had perpetuated for years.
I can agree with that.
But you avenge those deaths when they happen.
You don't wait 30 or 40 years to do that.
And then, of course, the last one, which is the most perplexing, is that Iran was somehow an imminent threat to the United States.
And if that is actually true, I'm happy to change my mind.
And I think millions of Americans are as well.
If Iran was actually plotting to attack, say, New York City or Chicago or LA, absolutely, we should go in there and take them out.
But there's no evidence of that whatsoever.
And so I fear that this is a classic case of mission creep.
We got in almost certainly because of Israel, and now we're redefining the objectives every 48 hours, and we'll never be able to get out.
This is exactly what happened in Iraq, right?
We were supposed to go in there, identify weapons of mass destruction.
They didn't exist, and then it became a nation building counterinsurgency operation.
Same thing with Afghanistan.
Unseat the Taliban government who had given safe haven and refuge to Al Qaeda, which attacked us on September 11th.
And the next thing you know, we're there for 20 years building schools and trying to win over the hearts and minds of the people.
That is not why we go to war.
We go to war because it's necessary and to take out a threat to the United States of America, not to install democracies in countries that, quite literally, Tim, you and I both know this, these are countries that can never be democratic.
In fact, as much as it might suck to say this, let's get realistic.
Many of these countries are better off.
When they're run by theocratic monarchs, I don't know that the Middle East is better off or Iraq is better off for having lost Saddam Hussein.
It's the devil you know versus the devil you don't.
I don't know that Libya is better off for having lost Gaddafi.
It's the devil you know versus the devil you don't.
rex jones
Well, I want to interject here because it's been the stated mission of the United States for years to have no secular democracy in the Middle East, no regime like Assad, for example, that would tolerate various ethnic and religious minorities in his nation.
And you can look at Assad and say, He's a murderer.
He's a killer.
And now, look, we got the Al Qaeda terrorist in charge.
So, Tim, your thoughts on that?
Another question.
tim tompkins
Well, I mean, not to take away from your guys' point, but you were talking about Israel there.
And this isn't like a hardball gotcha.
But I want you to just kind of clarify your positions on Israel because I get a little confused.
And I know you're not in support of this war.
And Rex and I have the standpoint that Israel has clearly had a lot of influence in this conflict.
But then I see pictures of people trying to post pictures of you with like a.
Israeli and American flag pin and those types of things.
And I'm guessing those photos are from the past.
Can you just clarify kind of where your position is at and what those photos, if people are just criticizing you, are alluding to?
james fishback
Absolutely, Tim.
Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that.
So, that photo was taken shortly after October 7th, which was a tragedy.
Anytime you kill thousands of innocent lives, whether they're Israeli, whether there were Americans there as well, there were Thai, Cambodian, foreign workers who were killed in that awful attack.
A friend gave that to me, and I wore it in the month or so after this heinous attack by Hamas on innocent individuals.
And so, I'm not going to apologize for wearing a flag pin, especially after that attack.
Now, that flag pin, I think, often is worn by people who try to suggest that the U.S. Is somehow in a great allyship with Israel.
That is clearly not the case.
I've never said that.
I've never advocated for US military aid going to Israel.
The purpose of me wearing that pin while American citizens were being held hostage in Israel, or rather in Gaza by Hamas, was to call the world leaders to help bring those hostages home, something that President Trump rightly called for at the time.
And I believe that President Biden and Vice President Harris were not doing enough for.
With respect to, I think the larger conversation, which is, well, you know, where did this guy come from?
He's saying all the right things.
What's up with that?
Is this?
I will always change my mind when the facts change.
I was never some staunch supporter of Netanyahu or Israel.
I never really had many public views about this.
People will point to a debate I had with the one and only Destiny back in 2024, in which I said that Iran should not be able to fund proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas to attack Israel.
I still stand by that.
I don't think, you know, wherever you stand on Israel, pro or anti, You should not want a theocratic radical regime funding proxies that attack anyone in the region.
And so I think there's a bigger, broader conversation that a lot of people want to have, which is well, you were saying one thing and now you're saying something different.
And yeah, guilty as charged.
When the facts change, when Israel bombs the Holy Family Catholic Church in Gaza City, things change.
My mind will change.
When Netanyahu comes out and never accepts responsibility, never delivers accountability for that attack on Christians, when he goes out just last week and denies access.
To his eminence, Cardinal Pizabala, access to this holy church in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday.
Of course, I'll call that out.
And so, of course, my views will change on this.
But I think what matters most is that Americans unite under a universal fact that whether you are pro Israel or anti Israel, perhaps even if you're apathetic or indifferent, we should all believe the fact that no American should be sent to die in a war for Israel.
tim tompkins
No, I 100% agree with you.
And I think more people need to have the belief system that your ideas can change with information.
rex jones
We talk about that all the time.
tim tompkins
Yeah, October 7th happened.
I vividly remember exactly how it happened.
I was watching the videos, the clips as they were coming out.
And the average American was pro Israel at that time because it was just an awful, heinous act.
Call it a false flag or whatever.
You just saw a bunch of kids dancing and having a good time.
And then you just see people hunting them down with AK 47s and just drones and missiles.
rex jones
I think the thing that you're referring to is the potential of a green flag operation.
We had an Israeli citizen on our show, and we listened to him talk about it.
This and he's like, Look, I understand the military of my nation.
I understand our borders.
We have a helicopter base 20 minutes from here.
We've had Green Berets on my dad's show talk about it.
I mean, there's this eight hour period where they're just being slaughtered by Hamas and nothing gets done.
And we just see these wars always work out not for the citizens of the country, whether that be Iran, America, or Israel.
It's always in service to the regime, to the government.
I think people want peace and Americans want to be respected.
Do you see that hunger as well?
unidentified
I do.
james fishback
I do.
And I think there were serious questions about whether there was a stand down order from Netanyahu or a high ranking Israeli official on October 7th, because it didn't make a whole lot of sense.
And you'll remember, Rex and Tim, at the early hours of October 7th, there were videos, extremely raw graphic videos shared on X of just how heinous.
I remember there was one, and again, pardon the graphic nature of this, but there was one where a Hamas fighter went into a barbershop and there was a Filipino expat worker and with a gardening hoe.
Chopped his head off while he was alive.
And so, of course, that kind of tragedy should be condemned fully.
It's just absolutely disgraceful.
And, you know, I think at the end of the day, yeah, Americans do hunger for peace.
We don't want to be involved in these wars.
Yeah, it's cool to see rockets and fighter jets and all of that.
We want, I think, what President Trump did rather successfully in December with Venezuela is we want a war or a short term conflict rather that actually does something meaningful for Americans.
Look, Maduro.
Was a dangerous guy who didn't just kill innocent Venezuelans.
He's responsible for the death of thousands of Americans.
This is a guy, you guys have talked about it, who opened the prisons in Venezuela, the most dangerous gangbanging thugs, and then sent them to the United States under the guise of an asylum, open border nonsense from Kamala Harris, who was the border czar.
And they came over, they took over condominiums, they flooded our streets with cheap, addictive drugs like fentanyl.
And so Venezuela was responsible for that.
Maduro was responsible for that.
And what did President Trump do?
He sent the Delta force down there.
To capture this guy and to bring him to trial in New York City.
So that's the kind of military conflict that we want to see.
It's in, it's out.
There is a clearly defined objective and exit strategy.
And most importantly, it is in the strategic benefit of the average American citizen.
The average American citizen doesn't want trendy Aragua gang members taking over their local condominium complex or pushing cheap fentanyl counterfeits on teenagers in the community.
And so, my fear, though, Tim, is that.
What happened in Venezuela, such a successful operation then, ended up deluding the administration and senior advisors of the president into thinking that what was going to happen in Iran was going to be just as easy, just as seamless, an in and out.
Delta Force Against Cartels 00:08:11
james fishback
I genuinely think that the president thought that the mullahs of Iran were going to surrender in 48 or 72 hours.
But these Iranian hardliners, I mean, they will go down with the ship.
They do not care.
The Venezuelans are not principled, they're not ideological in that sense.
They're good people.
But the leaders themselves, They're willing to throw in the towel.
I mean, Maduro, you saw he came out with the track shoot.
They let him change.
He was perfectly content doing that.
He did not fight.
He did not kick.
He did not scream.
And that is very different than the way Iranian theocratic clerics will act.
rex jones
We got this mafia in our own hemisphere and they do a quick military operation.
I would consider it to be a war.
And I don't support the operation, but it's in our hemisphere.
It's Monroe Doctrine.
There's an argument logically that can be made for it.
And we see this conflict thousands of miles away.
These are, as Lindsey Graham puts it, you know, religious Nazis.
And what do you think you're going to do when you declare war on them?
They're going to fight.
Until they're all dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And I mean, speaking of our own hemisphere, you know, we have, we're seeing the military capacity of what we can do.
Okay.
unidentified
Right.
tim tompkins
One thing that I've always been curious, and maybe James, you can touch upon this, is why haven't we actually gone after the real problems like the cartel in Mexico?
I mean, they're actually killing Americans if you really think about it.
Like, we're not really having a 9 11 or a terrorist attack, but we have millions of people dying from fentanyl overdoses and cocaine and those types of things.
And Trump has signaled, like, I want to crack down on these things.
Where, I mean, except for like Venezuela, where he said it was coming from there, which is a complete lie.
It comes from China and Mexico.
That's the majority of fentanyl.
But like for you, like, don't you think that we should be using those resources and intelligence operations to take out people who are actually bad for the American people and the Mexicans themselves right at our doorstep?
james fishback
Absolutely.
And if this were a military conflict right now where we were using Reaper drones to drop bombs on Mexican cartels, absolutely.
That is a good use of money and a good.
Example of how we need to operate in our own hemisphere for the benefit of American citizens.
Again, we're killing 100,000 people every single year with drug overdoses.
And those precursors to fentanyl that are actually from China that are shipped to ports on the Pacific Ocean in Mexico that create counterfeit versions of whether it's Adderall, Percocet, Vicodin, they're pressed fentanyl pills that are made to look like popular drugs in the United States of America.
People take them, and because of this addictive poison, they die very, very quickly.
And so that's a very good use of kinetic force if you want to drop a bomb on cartels.
To stop them from being able to flood our streets with cheap addictive poison.
That's a compelling strategic interest.
That does not require $200 billion from the Pentagon.
In fact, that operation could be done in an entire weekend, knock out the cartels.
But again, that would not be to the benefit of the Greater Israel Project.
That would not be the benefit of Raytheon stock price.
So again, why are we doing these things?
That's an important question we have to ask ourselves.
rex jones
That's a super high level geopolitical narco trafficking rundown, how we're going to stop.
At potential futures and causality there.
On the street, when you're talking to people, and they may not be as politically locked into monitoring the situation or whatever it's called, like all of us are, and honor to them.
You got a life, you got a family, you got a wife and kids.
Take care of them, obviously, and all this stuff is really depressing to think about.
What are they asking you for in relation to all these things?
Are they asking you to look at the cartels in Mexico?
Are they asking you to look at these conflicts that we're getting ourselves in?
But what are they asking for domestically in relation?
Where do they want that money to go?
Instead of the wars, what are they looking to fund?
james fishback
Well, that's a great question.
I put out this video a couple of weeks ago where I said that just as the New York Times was reporting the Pentagon, led by Secretary Hegseth, wanted $200 billion to fund this war.
I thought this war was supposed to be over in just a matter of weeks.
You don't ask for $200 billion, which, by the way, is more than we spent in the first full year of the Iraq war, if the war is supposed to de escalate and come to an end in just a matter of weeks.
That's the first point.
But I put out this video and I'll ask you this, Rex.
Would you rather, if we're going to spend $200 billion, and I don't think we have to, But if we're going to spend $200 billion, would you rather bomb Iran for Israel or would you rather build 1,300 rural hospitals?
Would you rather spend $200 billion bombing Iran for Israel or would you rather raise the teacher pay of the best teachers in America by $65,000?
Would you rather spend $200 billion bombing Iran for Israel or would you rather offer down payment assistance?
For 20 million young couples who are looking to start a family but don't have a home, and that is delaying their family plans.
And so I'm not a big fan of spending money, period, as we're staring down a $40 trillion national debt.
The average American will end up having to pay $135,000 of that debt, borrowing from the communists in China, borrowing from everyone in the world, including our enemies, and then putting and saddling that debt on our children and grandchildren.
But if the question gunned to your head is how are we going to spend $200 billion, I'd much rather raise the pay of first responders, firefighters, TSA workers, public school teachers, police officers, build rural hospitals, and of course, offer down payment assistance.
I mean, this is the perennial struggle in politics is that when we were sending $200 billion to Israel or $300 billion to Ukraine for them to lose a war rather humiliatingly, no one ever asked where we're going to get the money from.
But if I come out and I say we're going to do down payment assistance for 30,000 Florida couples every single year, the Poindexter in Tallahassee or DC wants an immediate Excel spreadsheet for how we're going to pay for every single penny of it.
unidentified
Yes.
james fishback
And so this is the dilemma of the double standard when the neocons want money for their forever wars to fight Russia or fight Iran, no one bats an eye at 200 billion here, 300 billion there.
But when we quite literally only want one one hundredth of that to fund programs for the exclusive benefit of American citizens, everyone could not be more apoplectic, except the voters on the ground, except hardworking Americans.
And so that's, I think, the question is people want to see money spent here.
It was interesting.
You might have seen this over the past weekend.
Secretary Rubio was criticizing the Iranian regime.
He said, You know, they're spending all of this money on bombs when they could be building schools and hospitals.
And I said, Hmm, sounds very interesting.
We should apply that same logic as well.
Look, I'm all for bombing countries if they want to hurt us.
But I'm not okay with bombing countries if they're not a threat.
rex jones
I totally agree.
It's time for the American people to be prioritized.
The citizens feel that.
We all have a hunger for it.
We need it.
We see the money being spent, and it's not being spent at home.
It's not being spent on us.
It's being spent to perpetuate.
These further conflicts so that transnational capital interests and the big banks, the big donors to political parties, political campaigns, so that they can keep and stay rich and make more money off other people's pain.
We're going to be right back with James Fishback here.
We're going to a network break.
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Thank you very much.
American Journal, almost done in the books.
We have the James Fishback, rumoratorial Floridian candidate running against Byron Donalds.
Byron Donalds, we are looking forward to asking you some more questions.
Tim, what's on your mind?
tim tompkins
Yeah, so, well, before we get that, we're going to take callers during the second.
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rex jones
Oh, yes, yes.
I took a call.
tim tompkins
Let's go ahead and read out that number.
rex jones
That's my bad.
Tim, before the break ended, you were like, read the caller number.
I was like, sure, sure, I got it.
Then it just flies out of my head.
The call in number for the show after our interview is 1 877 789 2539.
That's 1 877 789 2539.
That is the call in number for the show on display now.
Back to the interview.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So, James, I just have a couple of questions for you because you're very popular on social media right now and videos are circulating every single day.
And I just, you know, not a lot of people get the behind the scenes for you to be able to clarify positions, those types of things.
The more recent one that I'm seeing, and it may have been a day or two ago, people are making a really big fuss over the use of the word lynch with this black guy.
And for me, I'm the African American here.
I looked at it.
I didn't take any real offense to it.
I kind of understood what you were saying.
But again, there were enough people that were like, that's a very specific choice of words to use there.
And I just, this isn't a gotcha.
It's just, I want you to be able to talk about what you really meant.
james fishback
Yeah.
Thank you, Tim.
I actually regret the use of my word lynch there, not because he was black.
I would have said it for anyone else, but because lynching is extrajudicial by its nature.
You bypass court, you bypass.
Fair trial, you just quite literally go kill someone because you're upset.
So, I of course regret saying something that would bypass legitimate due process.
I do think that when someone is coming up to you with a mob of people at 10 p.m. at night in downtown Orlando and repeatedly suggesting that you are guilty of a capital crime, that's pretty messed up.
And I think that generally speaking, that is the kind of behavior that we cannot tolerate in society, trying to incite violence against someone because You don't like them politically.
Look, it's okay if you don't vote for me.
But to suggest that I've committed a capital crime when there's absolutely no evidence of that, that's, you know, I go back to that thinking, very biblical in the Old Testament, is that, you know, if you're guilty of a capital crime, you should be put to death.
And if you're falsely accusing someone of a capital crime, that you too should be put to death.
And so I regret that word choice mainly because I don't support any form of capital punishment that is extrajudicial, that bypasses legitimate due process and a fair trial.
tim tompkins
Yeah, I mean, it is a lot of pressure, you know, when you're in the mainstream, the lights, the cameras, those types of things for, you know, for things to be said.
The other thing that I was very curious about was also there was the whole lawyer situation debacle.
I tried to understand that, but I was like, you know, I might as well just ask him to clarify.
And a lot of people have been giving you flack.
rex jones
I wanted to know, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
And he wanted to know, too.
Again, these aren't gotcha moments.
It's just, okay, what's happening there where.
I guess you didn't want to pay the lawyer.
rex jones
Because he lost.
tim tompkins
So, what happened there, like from your standpoint?
james fishback
It's a good question.
So, my standpoint is when you bring a lawyer on, you don't just expect them to win.
You, at the very least, expect them to follow deadlines and basic procedure.
And so, my lawyer ended up missing a ton of deadlines, ended up losing the case for a lot of reasons that had nothing to do with the merits of the case, but purely poor procedure.
And so, I advised him I was going to be discontinuing his services and I wouldn't be paying him for the very simple reason that if you go to a restaurant and you ask for your steak to be medium rare and they give it well done, you shouldn't be expected to pay.
And so, it's not about whether the steak was good or whether I ate it because I didn't.
It was about whether or not this guy had followed basic protocol.
And I think if you're people out there kind of taking the side of a lawyer, taking the side of a lawyer who makes $8 million a year personally and over a $150,000 legal bill for just a couple months worth of work, he's not suing me or anything like that.
But we just made it very clear that I'm not going to continue using those legal services at those high rates if he's not going to follow basic court procedures.
And that's exactly what I did.
unidentified
Okay.
tim tompkins
So, one thing on that then, because sometimes there are.
Legal agreements and structure before you go into an agreement with a lawyer, where, you know, if he doesn't win the case, they don't win a certain amount of money.
Also, the regular way that it typically goes, if I'm not mistaken, is it's win or loss.
They typically expect you to make payments towards whatever service.
rex jones
They get a percentage of the payment.
tim tompkins
Was it the first case that I'm understanding of how you guys had it structured, or you really just felt like he was doing a very bad job that it just didn't justify the payment?
james fishback
It was the latter.
He was doing a very bad job that didn't justify the payment.
And, you know, at the end of the day, if you go out and you contract someone to go cut your lawn and they cut your lawn and they screw it up, you can give them an opportunity to recut it.
I can't give this lawyer an opportunity to go back and retry this case, which I thought was an absolute winner.
I thought we had a great argument for the case.
So, you know, it's unlike you go to a restaurant, hey, let's redo the steak.
They can redo it.
You pay for it.
You go get your lawn cut.
You come back in two months, you redo it.
But something like this, you quite literally can't do a redo.
And so I'll end up suffering a lot more than, He'll lose on $150,000.
rex jones
So, if I don't misunderstand, he torpedoed the case in your view.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
What did he actually do?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
What did he actually do that bothered you the most during that case?
Because if I understand, you were going and trying to countersue or sue somebody for something, right?
And he was the one taking on your case for that.
james fishback
That's right.
I mean, I won't bore you with the specifics, but there's a lot of legal arguments that he did not want to use that would have been used rather successfully for the case, a lot of deadlines that were missed, so on and so forth.
I think, generally speaking, you've got lawyers in this country that are trying to rake people over the coals for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
There's frivolous lawsuits happening every single day.
And I think that when we get to a point in the profession where someone's trying to get $150,000 for a couple months worth of work, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
So I take the approach that President Trump Which is, if you screw up, you shouldn't get paid.
If you do a great job, you should absolutely get paid, and perhaps even then, some.
tim tompkins
I mean, I'll give you this for sure.
Like, I mean, the legal system and the lawyers, there are some predatory acts that happen in that industry, and the astronomical prices that it costs to get a retainer for certain cases.
And I've seen people lose cases to where just for the retainer, it was $30,000 just to get started.
And I'm like, you know, they're using AI now to do the paralegal job.
So I'm like, okay, what?
Is there a real calculation or an ROI to understand what you're really paying for?
rex jones
I don't think that there is.
Just like our medical system, I think this is something that absolutely needs to be changed where they just go, oh, we decide with the surgery costs.
There is no guideline.
There is no actual maximum.
We decide with the medication costs.
There is no guideline.
We're the ones that actually write the guideline.
I wanted to ask you about this.
Speaking of writing the guidelines, we have this massive OnlyFans industry, okay, that's profiting and doing a lot of predatory things, both people that post on the platform and the people that consume that type of media.
You've talked about a sin tax, a 50% tax on OnlyFans creators in your state.
How does that factor into things?
Tell me about your view on that.
james fishback
Well, my view is that young women are capable of anything they put their minds to, and that young women should not be told that they should abandon their dreams and aspirations of being a devoted stay at home mom or a teacher or nurse to pursue an online career of selling nude images and videos to complete strangers on the internet.
You know, if you tried to pay a prostitute on the side of the road to get nude for you and do a little dance, that would be illegal.
And so it's no different to go send money to Sophie Ryan and have her do a little dance for you.
That's not just legal, it's encouraged and celebrated in large.
Parts of our country.
And so, my view is just because something is legal does not make it moral.
It is a sin tax, first and foremost, Rex, because it is a sin for both the woman to produce adult content to draw men into lust and also for men to give into that lust and to pay women to see themselves nude.
And so, I went head to head with the number one adult creator on OnlyFans, Sophie Rain.
She had a long conversation with Piers Morgan earlier this week.
And I made it very clear you can quit the online degeneracy of OnlyFans or you can pay 50% tax.
On whatever money you make through that, we'll use that money to pay for infrastructure, to create programs that empower women and men, and to pay public school teachers who are doing everything right, pay them a little bit more.
And so, this is part of a view that I think the traditional class of Republicans fails to grasp.
The traditional Republican will look at this and say, wait, I thought we're against raising taxes.
No, we're against raising taxes on seniors, on young couples, on working families.
We should never be shy, Tim, about raising taxes in a way that deters the degenerate, disgusting behavior known as OnlyFans.
tim tompkins
Yeah, and I understand.
So, my thing is, you know, if I look at this critically and analytically, over a certain amount of time, it would start with OnlyFans, but wouldn't this trickle down into other sectors?
Like you have strip clubs and, you know, other services that people.
Yeah, you've even got porn stars that are doing things.
Like, how does this?
Because, you know, they would make the argument you can't just tax us, you would have to tax everybody.
And then you're looking at a situation where now you might have an entire like lobby of people coming after you.
Have you thought about these situations too?
james fishback
Yes, I have.
And I think that's everything is on the table.
I don't want to see strip clubs in our state.
I don't want to see porn stars do well in our state.
I want to get back to a state where a young family can raise their family on a single income, can buy a home before the age of 30, can work 40 hours a week and not live in poverty.
And then when it's all said and done, Tim, retire with dignity.
Everything else, whether it's OnlyFans or strip club or liquor store, anything else is a distraction from that.
And so there's this, again, this.
Prevailing wisdom that you can't legislate morality.
Of course you can, and of course you should, because if you don't consciously, intentionally legislate morality, immorality, evil, that is going to reign instead, and we cannot allow that to happen.
rex jones
It sounds like, from what we discussed today, that I need to vote for Byron Donald because I want porn stars, I want data centers, I want foreign influence in local and federal government.
I support all of these things.
You're coming out here saying we need to prioritize the American people and all that.
I don't know where that comes from.
That's some kooky conspiracy theory.
In closing, I know, Tim, you probably have one more thing you want to say.
tim tompkins
No, no, no.
I don't really have any more questions.
It's more so like I appreciate you coming on, having the conversations.
The whole reason of me asking those questions is because a lot of people just say things in a vacuum, and more often than not, people don't actually know what that person means.
So for me, I want to always give every single person the benefit of the doubt before they're accused of anything.
rex jones
And that's fair.
That's fair.
It's like you talk about the biblical punishment for false accusation.
Totally agree.
And that's such a key point.
If you're going to accuse somebody of a heinous crime, then also, you know, if you do that.
Falsely, that's a heinous crime as well.
I think that's a bona fide point you made.
tim tompkins
Anything else for you in closing?
james fishback
Well, I just want to say, Tim, that I appreciate both you and Rex giving me the opportunity to come on and wishing everyone a very meaningful and blessed Good Friday.
And I'm always going to take time to think about my words, my word choice, and think about how we can make sure that this campaign is one that is positive.
I'll tell you, the grievance politics of both the left and the right, it's gotten old and fast.
We are sick of Democrats like Hillary Clinton calling Trump supporters deplorables.
But we're also sick of the woke right, the Israeli operatives now calling anyone who disagrees with this war a traitor to the country.
And so we need to have a politics of unity.
I think that when you react the way that I did earlier this week, that was not something that was unifying or civil.
I regret my word choice, but I don't regret the fact that if you're going to accuse somebody of a capital crime falsely, that you too should be sentenced to the same punishment of the person if they were in fact guilty of that crime.
I think we need to get to a point in society where no one should bear false witness or slander someone in the public square.
rex jones
Beautiful.
Happy Good Friday.
Happy Easter as well to everyone listening to us.
The Floridians out there, you're running a really hard grassroots campaign.
You're out there every day.
James Fishback, thank you so much for joining us.
tim tompkins
Yeah, we will definitely have you on again.
Go ahead and follow James Fishback if you haven't on XJ Fishback.
We appreciate having him on the show.
unidentified
Yes.
tim tompkins
We're about to take your calls, guys, because we've unpacked a lot today.
rex jones
Yes, it was great.
tim tompkins
And we want to hear from you.
rex jones
Yes.
tim tompkins
Okay, so let's go and see if we got any callers.
rex jones
Oh, I know we got callers on the board today.
Let's go ahead and go to Ben in Indiana.
Ben in Indiana, what's on your mind?
ben in indiana
Good morning, y'all.
I just wanted to say, God bless you both.
I really appreciate how you guys are current with not just, you know, I'm a millennial.
I don't agree.
I'm not this, you know, hippie, fun loving millennial.
I am a Christian man, and I really appreciate how you guys are always current with what I'm looking at.
It feels like I'm talking to you guys every day.
And I really, Mr. Fishback, I hope he wins.
I have really, I have aligned with him since I first heard about him, and I appreciate his stance on a lot of things and not afraid to answer questions.
Like you guys said, you know, you want to get the clearance out there for what he actually stands for because a lot of grifters are out here, you know, it's like Trump, what he's done, you know, instead one thing and did a complete other once he got in.
rex jones
Yes.
ben in indiana
I just wanted to go ahead.
rex jones
No, no, you're all just agreeing with you.
Tim, your thoughts?
tim tompkins
No, no, no.
We appreciate the feedback, and we really just love doing this, and we really do care about it.
Giving you guys information and bringing on good guests.
Anything else that's on your mind?
rex jones
Really quick, it's a great honor to hear you say that it feels like you're in the room talking with us, hanging out with us.
That's what this is all about, man.
Thank you so much.
ben in indiana
In closing, no problem.
Just wanted to bring up how Larry Loomer is calling to go after Turkey, and that's a monster you do not want to mess with.
They're still very much like the Ottoman Empire.
They're bloodthirsty and they are going to do the same thing as Iran, but they have so much more military capabilities and technology.
And it's just, you know, I'm sick of these.
You know, I'm not anti Semitic.
I don't hate all Jews.
I don't hate anybody.
You know, you have hate in your heart for another person to commit murder, you know.
And I'm just sick of these, you know, other religions calling and trying to tell us what to do with our nation instead of realizing, you know, I just turned 35, you know, and I have two young boys that I want a future for that I don't want them to be afraid because, oh, you know, if they speak out against something and live in facts instead of theories and ideologies, you know, it's, It's ridiculous.
So, again, thank you guys so much.
And God bless you.
And I don't believe in Easter.
I believe in the resurrection.
Outlandish Claims and Hate Speech 00:09:06
ben in indiana
So, happy Resurrection Week.
God bless you guys and your journey.
And thank you so much for what you do.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim tompkins
We appreciate that.
Let's go to number seven Chad in Minnesota, the deep dive on Ukraine.
Let's talk about that.
Chad, you're on the air.
chad in minnesota
Hey, Tim, first time caller with you, second time with Rex.
You guys are doing a great job.
Appreciate all the hard work you're putting in and putting out the truth.
unidentified
Thank you.
chad in minnesota
Doing an excellent job.
tim tompkins
How do you feel about these deep dives, man?
chad in minnesota
I love it.
I think it's great.
I think it's great that you go back to Ukraine because now, you know, we're getting buried with Iran.
And one point I wanted to make I really appreciated all of everything that you covered, but there's a part and an aspect with.
Victoria Nuland and Senator Rubio at the time.
And it was back in March of 2022 where at the Senate Foreign Council hearing, they actually had her on and interviewed her or put her up.
And she was asked by Rubio if Ukraine has any biolabs, which you would think, you know, probably that they're not going to admit it.
And she admitted to that.
And Rubio put it back on that.
rex jones
They have like a ton of them, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
chad in minnesota
And Georgia, you mentioned Georgia as well.
There's lab information there as well that's shady.
And that's the thing this information about labs.
And, you know, it's just like it's so deep.
We have so much information that just gets buried by all of the news.
It's just so hard to keep up.
And I think that that Victoria Nuland aspect, along with Marco Rubio and trying to get it back on to the Russians.
rex jones
Here's the thing.
We're pressed for time.
We 100% agree with you.
We thank you for enjoying the deep dives.
We're going to do more on Victoria Nuland.
We've made a note of the Ukrainian biolabs.
Thank you so much, Chad.
Let's go ahead and go to Godzilla on the Iran war.
We got to keep it quick, Godzilla.
We're stretched for time.
What are your thoughts?
max in wisconsin
Hey, Rex.
Yeah, I was wondering if you saw that video clip of Pete Hegstaff giving a military officer a Masonic handshake.
rex jones
No, I didn't see that.
You think the Secret Society is involved?
max in wisconsin
Well, yeah, they have like secret handshakes and stuff.
So that was one.
It was a lot of the Masonic stuff going on.
It's like the countries founded by Masons.
Like even Candace Owens has like a Masonic Bible on her desk.
I don't know if you saw that.
rex jones
I just made a note of it as well as the Hegseth thing.
Anything else in closing?
We're just stretched for time.
I'm not trying to cut you off.
max in wisconsin
No, you can go to another call.
We'll talk another time.
unidentified
All right.
rex jones
I appreciate Godzilla.
Call in next week when I'm hosting, when we're hosting, we'll take another call from you.
Thank you, Godzilla.
Oh, we got the Masonic hand shake up on screen.
unidentified
Let me see.
rex jones
We got the Masonic hand.
Here he goes.
He goes for it, I guess.
Or I guess I missed it.
tim tompkins
I didn't really see.
rex jones
Oh, and he's got the, I think that's called the claw or something.
unidentified
Oh, right.
rex jones
That's something that like a Mason does.
Let's go.
Yeah, let's go to Rob in Oregon.
Rob in Oregon, you agree with us about the root cause.
What are your thoughts?
robert in oregon
Well, yeah, the root cause.
But, you know, the root cause, Rex, is what our eyes are being taken off of right now.
And I'm going to shift gears and just go right to it because of time.
And basically, we got Matt Gaetz and we've got Tim Bruchette, Senator Bruchette, coming out talking about the alien human hybrid program that's been going on for a while.
Senator Bruchette made a comment that he's not suicidal if anything happens to him, and that people are coming up missing that know about this right now.
It stems back to the UFO hearings that are currently going on.
And now it's Toto that got thrown a bone, and we're getting our eyes off of everything with reality.
With the wars, everything that's going on to get our eyes off this.
And the main thing is if people don't think that the Luciferians have totally taken over and are infiltrated into the White House, into our mainstream, it is a main problem.
And they're keeping our eyes on other things that are real.
I mean, people are dying.
rex jones
Yeah, people are dying and we're being distracted from it.
And there is that human alien hybrid stuff apparently coming out that my dad talked about.
We'll cover it more next show.
Thank you for the call.
Let's go to Vanden Arizona, England.
Closing, talking on topic about what we were just discussing with Fishback, what are your thoughts on the interview?
ben in indiana
Fishback's great.
sean in denver
Only heard about him a few months ago.
Great, great, great candidate.
I wish we had more in Arizona.
But I had a question for him.
I wanted to know if he had any ideas of how we can make a list of all these politicians in America that are not loyal to the United States that have either dual loyalty or dual sense.
unidentified
We have that.
rex jones
It's called APAC Tracker.
We have a version of that already.
And the thing is, here's the thing I agree with you.
I I think it's known already.
I think we already have that info.
Just what do we do?
sean in denver
We need to make it a big, huge point.
The elections are coming up this year, and we really need it.
I think there's a couple more off ramps where we might be able to save this.
I honestly think it's been gone, long gone.
In 2016, I'm like, how do we sustain this?
I voted Gary Johnson in 16.
I voted Trump in 20.
I voted Trump in 24.
I feel so played out.
That just is not worth it.
rex jones
A lot of people feel that way now, brother, and we appreciate the call.
Thank you very much.
I want to get all the callers on the board.
Sean in Colorado.
Thank you very much.
Sean in Colorado, you're on the air.
sean in denver
Hey guys, I just wanted to call in response kind of to the guy that was calling in the other day with just nothing but hateful Muslims.
rex jones
Sure.
sean in denver
And, uh, it's just kind of sad.
And, uh, I'm experiencing it with it with my own family.
You know, it's divided with people are just, you know, die hard Trump worshipers, whatever he does, you know, he can do no wrong.
And it's just, it's really hard to deprogram some of these people in this generation and within the church, especially there's this huge problem.
tim tompkins
What do you mean?
I'll die for my president.
I don't care if diesel goes up to $1,000.
I'll die for my president.
He is right about this war.
rex jones
That's what we heard.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim tompkins
That's exactly.
And you did a good job there, Rex, of keeping calm composure because I was like, I was hoping you'd go into it, but there was a professionalism.
rex jones
Here's the thing.
We got one guy overt out in the open.
This is my opinion.
I want to kill all the evil muzzies.
I want them dead.
We got another guy who says the same things online, but says it's all a joke.
What do these two things have in common?
unidentified
It's evil.
rex jones
It's evil to say these things about little children, about glassing entire countries.
About slitting the throats of all the pigs.
I mean, it's not language.
It's racism.
And ultimately, it's the stuff we do at war to dehumanize the enemy, to make them an intervention, a subhuman, so we can take everything we have and kill them.
And people are people.
We all have souls.
If you're a Christian, you're not allowed to talk like that.
tim tompkins
Oh, and just the video that they have, go to my profile on X, Truism Tim.
You can go watch the whole segment.
This video is blowing up.
If you want to catch what the caller's talking about, it's Rex between this guy and some boomer.
The guy's making outlandish claims here.
But yeah, go ahead.
rex jones
30 seconds.
tim tompkins
Yeah, Sean, we got to get off the air here shortly.
So we only got a minute before we come to the Alex Jones show.
sean in denver
Yeah, so the folks just need to understand how close we are to revelation, how close we are to fulfilling all of biblical prophecies.
So people just need to get ready and have this open discussion about what's all getting really ready to be going down here with the mark of the beast, what's going on in Israel, you name it.
unidentified
But.
sean in denver
Yes, we defeat the hate with love, and you can never, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Thank you.
rex jones
Absolutely, absolutely true.
We kill the hate with love.
That's what it's all about.
It's about freedom.
It's about actualizing your dreams.
It's about going out there and claiming victory, not just for yourself, but for your family, your country, and everybody around you.
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