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unidentified
The Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better, and they're also not as much of a security risk.
That's really causing a lot of people to be appalled, frankly.
And I also should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that are dealing with these Afrikaners, I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race, Katie.
owen shroyer
Okay, so the second closing statement there was completely meaningless.
And disingenuous, but...
unidentified
Is that not true?
owen shroyer
Are the South Africans that do happen to be white, you're the ones obsessed with skin color here, is that not true that they represent less of a threat and they will assimilate better than the illegals invading our country?
Is that not true?
Is it not true?
Of course it's 100% true!
It is absolutely 100% true.
And no honest person in their right mind would deny it.
100% fact that yes, the white farmers from South Africa that are getting killed, 100% fact that they will come here and assimilate and represent a much smaller threat, if any threat at all.
To our country, compared to the 20 million people that Biden brought in.
I mean, it's just, imagine being so dishonest.
Imagine being so disingenuous.
And they know it's true.
And we're not even sure what's really going on in South Africa.
What are you talking about?
They do entire parades talking about killing white people.
The leader of the countries, they talk about killing whites and taking their farmland.
We don't even know what's really going on in South Africa.
We just don't know.
Everybody's affected by the violence, and we just don't know.
Hey, here's a giant political event where they chant to kill the whites and take their farmland.
Yes, well, it's just unclear.
unidentified
It's unclear who's really impacted by this violence.
owen shroyer
Here's ten documentaries on the farm violence.
Here's a bunch of footage of...
Black Africans, and they're going into white Africans' farms and killing them and taking their land.
It's just unknown.
unidentified
It's just not really clear what's happening in South Africa with the violence or who's being victimized and which way it's going.
owen shroyer
We just, we really don't know here at MSNBC.
We're trying to figure it out, but we just don't know.
Everybody seems impacted.
Can you imagine being so dishonest?
What a clown.
What a clown.
Why can't you just be honest?
Let's see.
Will a South African farmer waving an American flag assimilate and be less of a threat than an MS-13 gang member with gang tattoos and a Venezuelan flag?
Let's see, guys.
Wonder which one?
Which one would be less of a threat?
Which one do you think will assimilate?
I just, I work for MSNBC and I'm paid to have no idea.
I'm paid to be completely clueless.
I just genuinely don't know.
I am just, I am so confused.
A South African farmer with an American flag or a Venezuelan gang member with gang tattoos and a Venezuela flag?
I don't know.
It's a tough call.
Really hard here.
We're making tough decisions.
I don't know.
You know, if the Trump administration is smart, which they are, you know what they should do?
They should follow these South Africans' cases.
And I bet they'll be on a farm by the end of the month.
They'll be on a farm producing crops by the end of the month.
harrison smith
All right, folks, that clip was from yesterday's War Room broadcast when the news broke that South African migrants had arrived as refugees in the United States.
We're going to spend a bit of time on this.
It's not necessarily the story that's so crazy, the reaction to this from the left.
It tells you a lot.
It tells you a lot, folks, and we're going to examine the claims.
unidentified
It's Tuesday, May 13th in the year of our Lord, 2025.
And you're listening to The American Journal with your host, Harrison Smith.
Watch it live right now at band.video.
I think it's time to blow this thing.
owen shroyer
Get everybody in the stuff together.
unidentified
Okay, three, two, one, it's jammed.
harrison smith
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
Welcome to the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith, coming to you live from Austin, Texas.
harrison smith
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unidentified
Thank you.
harrison smith
We have a lot to talk about today.
We have absolutely monumental events taking place.
Trump is in the Middle East, in Saudi Arabia.
Everybody's eagerly wondering if he'll return to the orb.
Remember last time?
He stared into the orb and it was one of the most Memeworthy occasions of his first administration.
What memes will emerge from this gallivanting around the Middle East?
We'll bring you all the updates.
The rift between America and Israel seems to be growing.
And it's the type of thing that taking it at face value makes me very happy, which means I question it.
Which means I'm suspicious about it.
Is there really a decoupling taking place?
Are we really standing up to Israel for the first time in my life?
Or is this all an even more convoluted and long-term scheme?
We'll look into that and look at what people on both sides are saying.
But we're going to spend a lot of time today on South Africa.
Because about 50 South African refugees arrived to the United States yesterday.
And the left went completely insane.
And I gotta admit, I am sort of shocked at this.
Because I thought they were smarter.
How many times have I made the joke on this show?
Talking about the rapists and murderers and criminals and drug dealers and gang members that are crossing the border.
And it's not even really a joke, but it's a...
Hyperbole to say, if they were all Norwegian engineers, the left would never let them in.
They'd be deporting them as rapidly as they possibly could.
Just to illustrate the idea that the reason that they like the migrants is not because they genuinely think they're going to be productive members of society and will make decent Americans.
it's because they're destructive.
It's because they want the destruction of the United States and they're in favor of things that destroy us.
And that if instead the refugee program was beneficial to the United States, then they would be against it.
And that's exactly what's happened with the South African refugees.
One of the only populations in the world actually deserving refugee status, actually qualifying to make asylum claims, A very small number of them...
But they happen to be white.
But they happen in this case to be white.
So the outrage from the left is completely overboard.
Again, I'm surprised that they are going as insane as they are.
And we'll show you clips.
I have so many clips to show you today.
So I've got both the left freaking out about the prospect of legitimate asylum seekers being granted asylum.
They cannot stand that.
They're really letting their...
Color show.
It's completely insane.
And they're denying what's going on in South Africa.
And then I got a bunch of videos to prove to you what's going on in South Africa, in case you need a reminder.
But I thought at least strategically, like, what is the harm?
What is the harm of them saying, of course we're in favor of this.
Asylum.
We love asylum.
We love refugees.
That's what we're all about.
That just proves that we were right all along.
Of course we're in favor of these poor South Africans, just like we're in favor of the poor Guatemalans.
Like, you'd think strategically, even if they hate what's going on, which they do, again, we'll show you, you know, wouldn't they go, hey, look, it's 50 refugees.
It's like, it's not that many.
This is a flash in the pan.
This is one minute of border crossings under the Biden administration, right?
This is nothing.
It's fine.
We'll just accept this and we can turn it to our ends to say, oh, well, if you're granting them refugee stash, shouldn't you grant other people?
Like, they could use it strategically, but it's like there's something about their deep-seated, seething hatred of white people that, like, they can't even pretend to like us even when it strategically would give them a major advantage.
There's something deeply troubling about what's going on here.
And I really, genuinely, this should be the final death knell of the Democratic Party, the liberal idea.
They are exposing themselves, what they really are, what they truly believe, what really compels them, has never been made more clear.
And it is sickening.
So, I mean, they've already ruined their credibility.
A lot, like as much as you would think was possible.
But the way they're reacting to these South African asylum seekers, these actual genuine refugee people fleeing state-sponsored violence against them in the country where they were born and where their ancestors created a civilization.
The response to this...
Should really open up some eyes.
I mean, if it's possible for people's eyes to be opened at this point, if people are still operating under the delusion that Democrats even want America to continue to exist.
I mean, I was going to say that they want what's best for America, but it's beyond that.
They are genocidal maniacs.
And it's never been more clear.
So I'm very excited to show you this in the hopes that maybe, just maybe, The last vestiges of decent human beings still tricked by the Democrats will finally open their eyes and realize who it is they're supporting and what their ultimate goals are, how they feel about you and me.
So we'll get into it.
We'll get into that in a very big way.
We'll talk about what's going on in Saudi Arabia and the Middle East with Trump landing and what's going on here in America as well.
We'll bring you any breaking news as it comes.
But we'll begin today, as we do every day, with our Daily Dispatch.
All right, folks, here it is, your Daily Dispatch.
For Tuesday, the 13th of May, 2025, U.S. President Trump arrives in Saudi Arabia's Riyadh for a first stop, a four-day Gulf tour.
President Donald Trump arrived in Riyadh on May 13th for the first leg of his four-day Gulf tour, including Qatar and UAE.
The trip follows regional tensions and global issues, including the Israel-Hamas conflict, Iran's nuclear program, and recent India-Pakistan clashes.
Trump met with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to discuss Iran, Gaza oil prices, Gulf investments in U.S. technology sectors, and a Gulf Cooperation Council summit.
Trump confirmed Qatar's gift of a $400 million luxury jumbo jet to serve as Air Force One, which may become the most expensive foreign gift to the U.S. The visit aims to strengthen U.S. Gulf ties, promote investments exceeding $2 trillion, and potentially ease Syria sanctions while addressing ongoing regional crises.
And we'll again get back into that and talk about the underlying sentiments sort of informing and characterizing this trip as the Saudi Crown Prince welcomes the U.S. President.
And he's there with Elon Musk and Sam Altman, which...
Okay.
Okay.
I like the Elon part.
Sam Altman, not so happy about.
But if you remember, the orb from last time, the orb they were looking into was, you know, essentially Palantir.
It was the, you know, sort of introduction of AI and how AI would be used as a surveillance global control mechanism.
We'll get back into that.
Meanwhile, the golden age surges on.
Dow adds 1,100 points.
S&P 500 up 3% after the U.S. and China slashed tariffs.
The United States and China announced a 90-day truce on Monday to reduce tariffs amid ongoing trade tensions.
The agreement followed weakened negotiations in Geneva and aimed to ease the prior tariffs, which had reached as high as 145% from the U.S. side, 125% from China.
I'm just laughing, thinking about the Alex Jones show yesterday.
He was trying to explain to people that 30 is bigger than 10. And he was explaining that we had, in fact, won this contest with China, seeing as they decreased their tariffs to 10% on America, while our tariffs were still at 30% on China.
And Alex was using all sorts of metaphors and, you know, allusions to explain that if a football team scores 30 points and the other team scores 10, Team with 30 points wins.
That's a bigger number.
And it is.
I checked it out.
It is a bigger number.
So, massive success across the board.
More on that later.
Meanwhile, and this gets into the just outrageous response from not even just the left, but mostly from the left when it comes to the the allowing of about 50 Migrants, about 50 refugees from South Africa to settle here.
The Episcopal Church refuses to settle white Afrikaners and ends its partnership with the U.S. government over this act.
It just shows you everything you need to know about what their intentions are.
I have to say, I've been an Episcopalian my whole life.
I don't think I am anymore.
I think I have to leave.
I think I have to leave this church.
I don't think this is a church anymore.
I think this is something else entirely.
I think as of this moment, I'm not going to call myself Episcopalian anymore.
I'm not an Anglican anymore.
I can't be party to this.
I can't be supportive of this.
This really is sick.
In a striking move that ends a nearly four decades old relationship between the federal government and the Episcopalian Church, the denomination announced on Monday that it's terminating its partnership with the government to resettle refugees, citing moral opposition to resettling white Afrikaners from South Africa who have been classified as refugees by Donald Trump's administration.
In a letter sent to members of the church, the most revered Sean W. Rowe, the presiding bishop of the Episcopalian Church, He said that two weeks ago, the government informed Episcopal Migration Ministries that under the terms of our federal grant, we are expected to resettle white Afrikaners from South Africa whom the U.S. government has classified as refugees.
He says it crossed a moral line for the Episcopal Church, which is part of the global Anglican communion that boasts among its leaders, the late Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a celebrated and vocal opponent of apartheid in South Africa.
In light of our church's steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of Southern Africa, we are not able to take this step, Rao wrote.
Accordingly, we have determined that by the end of the federal fiscal year, we will conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the U.S. federal government.
Now, part of this is probably just grandstanding because they were going to get those grants cut anyway, as all these grants are being cut.
But to participate in the wholesale importation of tens of millions of violent, murderous, at the very least, unvetted foreigners into this country, only to balk and have a conniption fit over a couple dozen white people also getting that treatment.
That's outrageous.
That's an outrageous thing.
I'm leaving the Episcopalian church.
I'm not going to go to my Episcopalian church anymore.
I'm done.
And I encourage everybody else who's Episcopalian to not stand for this either.
This is completely outrageous that they would act this way because of the race of the refugees that are actively being slaughtered by their own government.
I'm going to show you like 15 videos today of the president, the acting president, the leader of the biggest party in South Africa, every single one of them.
Justifying, encouraging, covering up, or in some other way, facilitating the outright and brutal murder of innocent people because they're white.
So, I think the Episcopalian Church is not fit for purpose anymore and shouldn't exist.
Meanwhile, Netanyahu must now work for support of U.S. as Trump tires of Israel's war in Gaza.
The U.S. president will not visit Israel on a trip to the Middle East, and his envoy has reportedly said Netanyahu's government is drawing out the war.
Trump's Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff didn't mince words in a meeting late on Sunday with former hostages and relatives of those still held in Gaza.
He told them Israel is drawing out a war.
The U.S. wants to end, local media reported.
On the eve of the release of Edan Alexander, who has been released now, the last living American being held by Hamas, Witkoff spelt out the gulf between his boss and the government of Benjamin Netanyahu, saying, quote, We want to bring the hostages home, but Israel is not willing to end the war.
Israel is prolonging it, despite the fact that we don't see where else we can go and that an agreement must be reached, Witkoff told the meeting, according to Channel 12 Television, quoting sources who were present.
This is the latest in a series of high-profile and high-stakes snubs from the White House, which suggested that Israel's most important ally is frustrated with its government and possibly losing interest in its fortunes.
And we have a lot to report on this, including Netanyahu making the statement that they must basically go it alone, say we can no longer rely on America's support, and we're going to have to...
You know, not expect, you know, endless American support, which, good luck.
I mean, good luck with that, seriously.
That's not possible, but good luck.
I mean, you can't do it, but I do wish you the best of luck.
I mean, it's just not a thing.
It's not possible.
So, not sure where else that, you know, I guess they're sort of in a situation like Ukraine.
And maybe they're going to find out what Ukraine's going to find out.
There's no other options.
You can't go to Europe and expect them to arm you.
Because they don't have arms.
They don't have the money.
They aren't going to do it.
They aren't willing or capable of protecting Ukraine or Israel or any other.
Or themselves, for that matter.
unidentified
So...
harrison smith
Good luck.
So good luck, Israel.
We wish you the best.
In your brief time without American protection.
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All right.
Should we just get right into South Africa?
Should we just get right into it?
Because as you saw in our opening five-minute segment there, the left is outraged that about 50 refugees...
Actually, you know what?
Oh, shoot.
I should have gone to the clip of Alex Jones.
I'll start off the next segment with Alex Jones talking about the Episcopal Church.
Announcing its decades-old partnership.
But before then, let's go ahead and go to...
I mean, we have so many...
First of all, we could just, for the sake of comparison, let's go to clip number seven here.
We've got two videos side-by-side, and we can roll this as B-roll.
On the left, you'll see the South African refugees.
One thing you'll notice is the presence of, you know, women.
You see a mob of grown men tearing down barriers and attacking the Border Patrol as they storm through our gates.
One of these groups is beloved by the Democrats.
One of these groups is treated as poor people.
Helpless, innocent victims of something.
And we must tear apart our entire society to benefit them.
The other, the South Afrikaners, they're despised.
They're hated.
They are feared and despised by the left.
And I want to explain something.
I personally...
I'm not in favor of South African refugee status because they're white.
Except in that, the fact that they're white is why they're being hunted, why they're being targeted by their own government, and why they deserve refugee status.
But just ask yourself, what is the reason why leftists are in support of so-called refugees, asylum seekers?
They keep telling us it's because they just care so much about them, they feel so sorry for them, and they're under such pressure and danger, and their home countries are just too dangerous to allow them to stay.
But it's just obvious that's not true.
It's just patently obvious at this point, and they are making it abundantly clear what their real intentions are, what the real purpose is of these programs.
Whereas on the other hand, I think there's maybe two populations in the world that certainly, without a doubt, qualify for asylum.
And that would be South African white people and Palestinians in Gaza.
Race got nothing to do with it.
unidentified
Welcome back, folks.
harrison smith
This is the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith.
We're going to get into South Africa and the response from the left, which is just, is completely...
Tone deaf.
Completely tone deaf.
And that they are exposing themselves to what their goals are, what their intentions are.
And it's pretty obvious.
Their intentions are to become South Africa.
Their intentions are everything they see in South Africa is an absolute good and should be repeated here.
And they're against anything that prevents that timeline from occurring.
In other words, they want...
Total collapse and a genocide of white people.
After all, you remember the Bloomberg article, maybe my favorite article of all time, celebrating that South Africa is the only country in the world to meet and indeed exceed its climate change goals by having an electricity grid that can't sustain itself and is collapsing.
Yeah, it turns out that meeting climate change goals and collapsing into third world status They go hand in hand.
One in the same.
Just incredible.
Now, we'll get into the actual context of genocide that these refugees are escaping.
But first, I'll begin with Alex Jones' video he did yesterday about the Episcopal Church announcing its ending its decades-old partnership with the United States.
For decades, they've taken in...
Millions upon millions of dollars from the federal government to assist in the resettlement of migrants in the United States.
From anywhere in the world, doesn't matter who they are, as long as they want to live in the United States, the Episcopal Church was there to facilitate that.
Until it happened to be a couple dozen white people, and this, I guess, was just a bridge too far for the Episcopalians.
How dare they say white people can also be victims?
I find this just unacceptably outrageous.
Here's Alex Jones breaking it down.
alex jones
Well, more disgraceful activity from the so-called churches of the United States.
As you know, the big Jewish charities, the Catholic charities, the Episcopal charities, almost all the big denominations of so-called Christians are in on it, are heavily involved getting tens of billions of dollars a year.
Catholic charities, Jewish charities, got 20-something billion in the last four years from Biden alone to organize and ship illegal aliens in the United States, most of them not real refugees.
This meant like 98% really aren't fleeing persecution.
But Christians worldwide are under massive persecution, the number one group.
And then secondarily is white people living in Africa, Africans who've been there for generation for generation.
And then, of course, Uyghur Muslims in China.
But you never hear that from the left, because they don't want to criticize the Commons China, and they certainly don't want to ever defend Christians.
And boy, you don't defend South African farmers, some of which have been there in their families 300 years.
And so Trump signed an executive order today because it's on record that the government of South Africa is totally black nationalist, hates white people.
Thousands and thousands and thousands of white farmers are murdered in a year.
Most South Africans have already wisely gotten out of the country.
Your refugee status here, because that's real refugees from genocide.
And the left tries to cover it up.
They tried to defend it.
And now Episcopal charities, and I guarantee it'll be the other big ones as well, has come out and said, we will not help or get involved with these white people when they come here.
So totally sick, but it's just the transparent.
Communist, globalist nature of these so-called churches and Jewish charities that claim their people of the faith and the Abrahamic, you know, system that we share and that they are not going to get involved because it's white people.
Because there is no white people ever getting persecuted.
It's only white people that ever do anything wrong in the world.
But everybody wants to get into white countries, though, because we're so evil and so bad.
Good job to Trump, really taking action on that, putting sanctions on South Africa.
It's disgusting.
And absolutely, it's one of the most dangerous places in the world for white people to be.
They should get the hell out of it.
But that's what the left's done.
It's their new form of communism.
It isn't based on money so much as it's based on race.
But it's more class warfare, and they admit that's what they've done.
That's the whole George Floyd thing.
All of it's about is totally disgusting.
So I'm glad these South Africans are coming here.
They're good, hardworking people.
We're proud to have them.
And anybody else truly fleeing real murder, real persecution.
Almost all the other people coming in here, it's on record, they're not refugees.
They're coming here to be signed on to the leftist system.
They'll be a new permanent underclass, and we don't want them.
I don't care whether they're white, Hispanic, black, whoever they are.
They're coming here to be communist.
Deport their ass.
You're fleeing real persecution.
You can be vetted.
America's got open arms to you, like South Vietnamese, the end of Vietnam.
Great people, great citizens, over-performance citizens, and they're total refugees from communism.
I support the Vietnamese refugees that came here and I support the white farmers of South Africa.
harrison smith
Absolutely.
You know, I would even say, you know, populations like there are a few populations that deserve refugee status if we're going to have such a thing.
If asylum is going to be a thing that we do, if we promote ourselves and operate as a safe harbor and a safe haven for groups that are being persecuted by their government, it's like white South Africans.
Palestinians, and I'd even say specifically Afghans that helped America, right?
Because we guaranteed them security if they would help us and then we leave and they're surrounded by the Taliban as enemy.
I think they have a case as well.
Doesn't mean I want 10 million Afghans who just whoever can scrabble on the plane gets over, but there are certain populations in Afghanistan that certainly because of their Help of the American war effort are under threat of the newly instituted Joe Biden style Taliban government.
That's because I'm consistent in my beliefs and actually apply reality to my understanding.
Don't just go off of skin color, which is what the left seems to be doing.
And boy, are they pissed.
Just absolutely furious.
That white people would be considered refugees.
We can go to, actually I have like 10 different videos.
Let's go to clip number 3 here.
A liberal actually admitted why they're against South Africa as being allowed to receive refugee status.
And by the way, she starts off a little bit of, you know, ahistorical history.
And just to remind you, when the Europeans arrived in South Africa, when the first Dutch settlement around 1652 cropped up, There's practically nobody in South Africa.
There were like a few herdsmen traveling through.
This wasn't like the British going to India where you have a millennia old or several millennia old civilization already there and entrenched and, you know, this foreign power coming to take it over.
It was basically empty and the Europeans settled it.
Much like America.
Almost exactly like America, although there were even less people.
Let's go to clip number three.
Here's her ahistorical reading that reveals, again, what the real intentions of the refugee program, according to liberals, is.
Let's watch.
unidentified
Okay.
So, if you think about the history of South Africa, it being under an apartheid system, where I think it is 80% of the...
The population that are black Africans only own 4% of the land.
That is because they were put in shanty towns and moved into areas where they had no rights.
And so 35, 30-plus years ago, they went through a revolution—the apartheid system ended, and they reformed their constitution under the great leader of Nelson Mandela, and that allowed for a racial right— One that this country has yet to do.
South Africa did it, and they reformed their constitution.
And part of that is that the people who are native to that land deserve their rightful land back.
That is not what the Afrikaners actually want to have happen, which are the white Africans, and so who are not originally from Africa, who colonized South Africa also.
And so that is what they are saying is discrimination.
Now, if the Constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have their checks and balances in that land, just like we do.
And that is for them to.
So if the Afrikaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country.
They are.
harrison smith
They're leaving to come.
unidentified
No, they can actually leave and go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany.
Are you against them coming here?
Holland, Holland.
harrison smith
Are you against them coming here?
unidentified
I'm against the hypocrisy.
If there was actually a genocide happening, like there is in other places in Sudan, in the Congo...
I'm not opposed for Congolese and for the Sudanese to come to Africa, just like I'm not opposed to Venezuelans and South Americans coming to America if they are fleeing and looking for asylum.
What I am against, it's not about being against them.
What I am against is that they are being given special treatment when there is not a genocide happening in South Africa, and they just don't like the law of the land.
There's a very high crime rate in South Africa.
They have a crime problem.
I suspect that part of what's going on here is that there is a very high-profile white South African named Elon Musk who is very close to President Trump and is probably making this a very high-profile issue and talking to Trump about it.
Elon Musk has tweeted about it.
He's, I think, called the president of South Africa about it.
He's been talking about this for a long time.
Look, here's the problem.
There's Afghanis.
harrison smith
So again, it's just, it's completely arbitrary.
Like, there's no consistency in anything that that woman just said.
She's like, of course I'm in favor of refugees from Venezuela or the Congo.
I'm just not in favor of these South Africans.
And he's like, okay, so it's just these people you have a problem with?
She's like, just because there's not a genocide going on there.
Is there a genocide going on in Venezuela?
I don't think so.
Is there a genocide going on in the Congo?
Who the hell knows?
It's always chaos there.
It's impossible to tell what's a genocide and what's regular everyday activity.
They're just being dishonest.
They just don't like these people because they're white.
It's pretty simple.
She's like, they can go back to Germany.
It's like they were never from Germany in the first place.
They were never from Germany.
The Afrikaners were Dutch.
It's not German.
It's the Netherlands.
The English settled and went to war over it there.
And by the way, the majority population of blacks in South Africa are Zulu who were not in the area before the late 17, early 1800s.
After the Afrikaners had been there for 100 years.
So she's like, they forced the natives into shanty towns.
It's like, no, no, no.
They built cities, and then the Zulus arrived, took over their country, and are now killing them en masse.
And we'll get to that.
We'll get to those clips, proving that there's undoubtedly a genocide going on, just undeniably.
But let's hear them deny it more.
Let's go to clip number six here.
This is CNN's Sarah Sidner talking about the South African refugees, which again...
Tens of millions of South Americans, tens of millions of Africans and Chinese and whatever else, they were all for that.
Three dozen white people from South Africa, and they lose their mind.
Explain that to me.
I mean, justify that, honestly.
There's no way to do it.
There's no way to honestly hold both these beliefs.
That we should both be an open door for refugees.
From anywhere in the world, for whatever reason, making any claim they want, but that South African refugees are somehow indicative of Trump being a racist.
I mean, this is absurd.
This is absurd.
These people are evil.
Just lay that out.
Cliff number six.
Let's watch.
unidentified
The South African president says the people arriving in the U.S. today do not fit the definition of refugees and that what Trump has been told about their persecution is false.
harrison smith
See, this is their favorite thing today.
This is their favorite thing to run with today, is quoting the South African government, you know, the ones carrying out the genocide, saying that there is no genocide.
Again, is there any consistency in this?
Are these same people, when confronted with what's happening in Gaza, do they say, actually, it's fine because the Israeli government says it's fine?
Actually, the Israeli government says they're not?
Targeting civilians or carrying out a genocide.
Therefore, you're racist if you say that.
It doesn't matter what the government says.
The government's the one doing it.
The government is the one carrying out the genocide.
I'll show you clips, again, from the president of South Africa, the leader of the biggest African national party there, the EFF, as well as the acting president.
Everybody in power who's black and South African is pretty open.
I'll show you the clips.
They're pretty much verbatim just saying, kill the white people.
They sing a song.
They have a song they sing in public all the time.
Kill the boar.
Kill the boar.
Boars are the farmers.
Kill the white farmers.
But this is their new thing.
This is their strategy at this point.
Clip number 17, NBC News.
South Africa says they're not murdering all the white people.
So therefore, they don't deserve asylum.
Let's watch.
unidentified
They got this big celebration, and these are the only, you know, white African descendants of apartheid, the European colonials, or those who participated in apartheid.
They're of all ages, including children.
South Africa says that the allegations about persecution of these people, the allegations are false, according to the South Africans.
harrison smith
Yeah, well, and, you know, according to Ted Bundy, the women deserved it, so who cares?
They're the murderers.
You don't listen to them.
They're the ones killing people.
Of course they're going to say that.
But they don't actually say that.
They actually encourage and facilitate the murder of South Africans.
What was she saying about children?
She's like, even children participated in apartheid?
What's that supposed to mean?
They deserve to be killed?
They deserve to be killed because their ancestors didn't want the country they built taken over by foreign Zulu mobs?
There they are, dancing and singing, kill the boar.
Don't look at that.
Pay no heed to that.
That's just a traditional song.
They're just goofing off.
They're literally chanting, kill the white people, kill the white people.
That's fine.
That's all fine, right?
Let's see.
How many more should we go to?
Let's go to clip number eight.
Here again on CNN, Democrat Seth Moulton saying, again, there's not a genocide in South Africa.
How dare you?
Clip number eight.
There's not a genocide in South Africa.
unidentified
That's right.
harrison smith
And we have a refugee program.
I am sure there's been violence against one side of the world.
unidentified
There has been violence against one side of the world.
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
I want to make a point.
Violence does not equal genocide.
That's right.
So we need to be really, really clear about that.
Because if you look at the violence...
jeffrey sachs
If you're the dead guy, you may not say that.
unidentified
No, I would say that, actually.
Because if you look at what genocide is, it is very specific that you're trying to get rid of a people, a whole group of people.
There is violence in South Africa.
They've had a very big uptick in violence.
But black people have seen the brunt of that violence.
Not just white Africans.
Let me ask this question of the panels.
harrison smith
How many ways to tear apart this argument?
I mean, I can think of like five, but...
We'll just start with.
Has this ever been a barrier that they had to get through for any other group of people?
Is anybody even claiming that there's a genocide going on in Guatemala or Venezuela or Mexico?
Nope.
Never even a claim.
Never even the remotest possibility.
But they all achieve asylum status.
So is it necessary to be victims of a genocide to achieve asylum status?
No.
To be victims of violence would be the Prerequisite.
Which she admits, there absolutely is violence.
And then she says, but the violence is mostly against black people.
It's like, okay.
And most of the violence Nazi Germany committed was against white Europeans.
Did no genocide happen there?
You ever think about that?
You ever think about the fact that the Nazis suppressed their own people and Germans were victims of the Nazis, just like the Poles and the Russians and the French?
So, I mean, was it really a genocide?
Because Europeans were the ones that faced the most amount of violence there.
So I guess the Jews can shut up too, right?
Do you understand how bad these arguments are?
How they don't mean anything?
How they're not compelling or convincing in the slightest?
Because they're not made in good faith?
These people are lying.
These people are full of crap.
59. White South African refugees because of...
genocide that's taking place.
In fact, let's go to clip number 25. Here is Trump acknowledging the white genocide taking place in South Africa.
unidentified
...claim discrimination in their home country are heading to the United States, where your administration is going to welcome them as refugees.
Now, this comes as you've halted virtually all refugee admissions for people to claim famine and war from countries like Sudan, the Democratic Republic, and Congo.
donald j trump
Why are you creating an expediting path into the Because they're being killed and we don't want to see people be killed.
Now, South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I understand, sometime next week.
And, you know, we're supposed to have a, I guess, a G20 meeting there or something.
But we're having a G20 meeting.
I don't know how we can go unless that situation's taken care of.
But it's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't want to write about.
But it's a terrible thing that's taking place.
And farmers are being killed.
They happen to be white.
But whether they're white or black makes no difference to me.
But white farmers are being brutally killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa.
And the newspapers and the media, television media, doesn't even talk about it.
If it were the other way around, they'd talk about it.
That would be the only story they'd talk about.
And I don't care who they are.
I don't care about their race, their color.
I don't care about their height, their weight.
I don't care about anything.
I just know that what's happening is terrible.
harrison smith
But the murderers said that it was fine.
So why are you complaining?
We'll go to one more video here of, again, the mainstream anti-white media, again, justifying genocide and just outrage that actual refugees would take part in the refugee program.
Clip number 15, MSNBC.
Talking about the Trump administration.
Let's watch.
unidentified
So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better, and they're also not as much of a security risk.
That's really causing a lot of people to be appalled, frankly.
And I should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that are dealing with these Afrikaners, I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race, Katie.
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah, it's affecting everybody of every single race, just like...
Nazi Germany, right?
So, I mean, it's like, well, you're going to single out this one group just because, what, they're the ones who are being targeted for eradication?
Jeez, what's wrong with you?
You know, what's appalling to me is that hairline.
The hairline on that lady.
My God.
Offensive.
It's offensive to put her on TV.
They just hate white people.
I don't know what else to tell you.
These people are full of crap.
Full of it.
Like, that's all they have.
That's all they're in.
I mean, come on.
Come on, lady.
Why you gotta do this to us?
We gotta look at that.
She's Brian steltering all over the place.
Again, this is what the asylum program, the refugee program, if it was actually, if we have to have it, and if it's gotta operate functionally, this is who it's intended for.
People who've done nothing wrong, who are productive, prosperous, lawful members of their society.
Being unfairly targeted for eradication by their government, wanting to come to America to make a new life.
Now, the saddest part of all this is statistically, at least one of them will be killed by a black person in the United States.
So, you know, you're out of the frying pan and into the fire in some regards.
But, you know, one thing, one of the most important things about South Africa is learning from our mistakes.
And looking back at the path down South Africa has traveled and avoiding that path with everything we can.
But here's a news report that just highlights how utterly absurd all of these claims are.
Let's go to clip number 27 as the, or I'm sorry, clip number, is it clip number 27, I believe?
That's the B-roll.
I'm looking for the news report.
Clip 22 here.
Clip 22. Here's a news report about South Africa leaders denying the genocide taking place.
unidentified
The White House says white South Africans are under a, quote, government-sponsored race-based discrimination over a law it claims allows racially motivated seizures of land.
But South African leaders strongly deny the allegations.
The South African government says Afrikaners, who are descendants of Dutch settlers, benefit the most economically.
While they make up only 7% of the population, they also occupy most of the farmland.
The new law in question gives the South African government permission to take land without compensation in certain cases to address disparities to black South Africans as a result of the appetite era.
Again, we are supposed to keep There you go.
harrison smith
So there you go.
The South African government stridently denies allegations of race-based discrimination and land seizures.
However, they are seizing land from white people on the basis of their race.
It's not happening, but also it is.
They're stridently denying it, but also acknowledging it is in fact happening and they're in support of it.
So that little 30-second clip tells you everything you need to know about the truth of this allegation.
All right, folks, welcome back.
Again, this is the American Journal.
We're talking about the response the left is having to the arrival of 59 South African refugees.
Again, laying bare the intentions of their policies.
unidentified
You've got to marry me.
harrison smith
Nothing these people claim to believe is what they believe.
And it really is as simple as that.
And they really are.
I mean, they're just the worst.
They really are just the worst.
They'll just say whatever they think they need to say to manipulate you.
They know their intentions are completely at odds with their statements.
They know exactly what they're doing.
And again, it genuinely is shocking to me.
It shows their priorities, right?
It is actually, I'm flabbergasted.
I am amazed.
I'm astonished at the vitriol with which they are reacting to these.
It's 59. It's 59 people.
There were days in the Biden administration where thousands upon thousands of foreigners were flooding into the United States.
And any attempt to stop that was treated with complete outrage and sob stories about fleeing violence and asylum seekers and boo-hoo-hoo.
They couldn't just let 59 people come.
They couldn't just say, hey, yeah, you want this?
You know, great.
That's what we're in favor of.
Asylum, just like we always say, bring us your huddled masses.
Bring us your hungry.
You're tired.
You're poor.
Like, this is what we're all about.
They couldn't just swallow their anti-white mania for a single day to act like it was fine, America.
You know, it's fine white people are doing this.
It was never about the fact that it was non-white people coming in that we were in favor of.
Gives a lie to all of their claims.
We'll go to one more video, and then for the next hour, I'm going to show you just all of the examples of South African genocide.
I'm not going to show you the graphic stuff, but there's plenty of it.
Maybe I'll describe some of it.
I don't think I need to show you a video of people having, you know, boiling water poured on them until they die.
But that's the type of death that South African, white South Africans have coming to them if they don't.
Get out of there while they can.
Let's go to clip number 16. MSNBC claims white South African asylum seekers are descendants of white supremacists.
Caring about them makes you a white supremacist.
And just understand, these people just hate white people.
They just genuinely have a really diabolical drive to destroy white people as much as they possibly can.
Becoming more and more obvious by the second.
nicolle wallace
Let's go to clip 16. Trump has virtually halted refugee admission in America for people fleeing war and famine in places like Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
harrison smith
Let's just pause right there.
They keep bringing up the Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Like, what?
Are you telling me that the 40 million people that came over in Biden's administration, they were all...
Fleeing genocide in the DRC in the Sudan.
What?
Come on.
That's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It's stupid.
It's dumb.
It's just they're desperate to find some non-white country that's also experiencing widespread violence, which, by the way, it's the Congo.
Have you ever read the history of the Congo?
It's like a history of rape gangs.
It's like, what do you expect?
They're never not killing each other.
It's a brutal, horrific place to live.
But they keep bringing up these two places as if it means anything.
It doesn't.
And hell, if they really are being targeted for destruction, great.
They can come over too.
Because it's not about race.
For these people it is.
That's the point.
Do you tell me that the Sudanese Christians are being slaughtered and are desperate for help and, you know, there's no hope for them and, you know, if they were in the situation that the white Afrikaners were...
I'd say yeah, they qualify for asylum.
They qualify for refugee status.
See how easy that was?
See how easy that was, CNN?
To be consistent in your beliefs?
To actually care about humans rather than just using them?
We're going to go back to that clip on the other side to again wallow in the anti-white hatred that exudes from these people.
Welcome back, folks.
So we've heard from CNN.
We've heard from MSNBC.
We've heard from NBC.
They're all just outraged that white people can be victims.
They reject that with everything they've got.
Let's go back to this clip.
This is, again, MSNBC trying to portray defense of innocent people being targeted for destruction by their own government as a form of white supremacy.
I'll give credit to whoever this is.
Somebody says to me, you're wrong, Harrison.
The media is not hypocritical.
They're completely consistent.
They're consistently anti-white.
JK 160 10 on X. You are wrong.
The media is consistent.
They're consistently anti-white.
They will form every argument to match an anti-white conclusion.
That's true.
That is accurate.
That is accurate.
So let's go again to MSNBC trying to justify.
White genocide in South Africa.
Let's watch.
unidentified
Yes.
So deeply and morally wrongheaded and repulsive.
These are the descendants of...
harrison smith
Can we pause it again?
I'm sorry.
You know, there's these people in South Africa.
They're targeted for destruction.
They're having their land expropriated by the government.
The government offers them no protection against the murders that take place on a daily basis.
And we're going to offer them, we're going to protect them.
We're going to offer them refugee status.
The U.S. government is protecting innocent people from being targeted for death by their government.
This guy's response is, that is repulsive.
Repulsive, disgusting, how dare they?
What?
They didn't do anything.
These people didn't do anything.
These people were born in South Africa.
And again, I mean, just every aspect of this.
Does any of this apply to the migrants in Europe?
To these people?
When they're like, they should go back where they came from.
To displace the natives there.
The natives should have total control and no other group should be able to even live there, let alone have power.
Oh, is that a consistent belief you have across the board?
And of course it's even, I mean, you know.
So you take one of these statements, take one of these phrases.
Where they act like they give a damn.
They're like, the natives of this population are being displaced by the arrivals of foreigners.
This is so wrong and bad.
It's like, okay, in the first dimension, you're a complete hypocrite.
To add another dimension to that, the blacks in South Africa today were not there when the country was founded.
The majority of black Africans in South Africa are of Zulu ethnicity.
The Zulus did not arrive until 100 years after the Dutch settlement was founded.
Do we understand that?
So it's like another layer of absurdity on top of all of it.
So it's just like how many ways can you be a hypocrite?
How many ways can you be utterly wrong about everything?
Let's go back to the anti-white brigade.
unidentified
Descendants of the people who created the most diabolical system of white supremacy in human history, apartheid.
harrison smith
Diabolical.
unidentified
They're not directly responsible for it.
But it was a system that actually moved black people off of the arable land.
So they inherited the land that the black people had to give up.
It was called forced removal.
It was something called a ban to stand policy where they moved black people out of the cities and farmlands into these remote areas.
With non-arable land.
I mean, it was just one of the most worst processes ever.
harrison smith
And now they have to die.
unidentified
What has happened in this strange, bizarre world we're living in?
harrison smith
Let's pause it.
Americans did that to Native Americans, didn't we?
Trail of tears.
The reservation system that was created.
I guess we also deserve to die.
Right?
I mean, our ancestors did that, didn't they?
I mean, it was a little bit more complicated, and there was a back and forth, and, you know, the natives killed a lot of white people in this, and their response from the whites was to remove them elsewhere.
But hey, we're the ancestors of those people, aren't we?
So I guess we also deserve to die.
I guess we also deserve to be boiled alive.
You know, our 80-year-old grandmothers deserve to be torn apart.
By natives.
Or Africans for that matter.
Because it doesn't actually matter.
They're just anti-white.
Just understand.
They'll justify it however they can.
However they want.
Even these people are like, sure, these people didn't do anything wrong.
But, you know, their ancestors were kind of mean.
So, they should stay in South Africa and be murdered.
Okay?
Do they want that to happen here?
Of course they do.
They talk about it.
Of course they want that to happen.
They hate white people.
They want us exterminated.
Let's go back to the anti-apartheid activist, the humanitarian on MSNBC, who says, sure, they're innocent people.
That doesn't mean they don't deserve to die.
Go back.
unidentified
These right-wing, white supremacist movements around the world, it's like the lost cause for them.
It's like the old confederacy.
They're held up as these white Christians who are being...
Dispossessed of their land.
harrison smith
They're white Christians being dispossessed.
unidentified
This is a modern replacement theory in a country where, by the way, white people make up 7% of the population and own 78% of the farmland.
harrison smith
Yeah, see how that works?
We can take down the scum now.
But just remember, just remember, in majority white countries, it's bad that white people are in charge because they oppress the minorities.
The mere Fact that they are the majority is oppressive, and it's wrong, and it's bad.
And through demographic change and replacement migration, the official stance of the UN and big banks and, you know, well-published and well-elaborated on over and over on white papers, having a majority white country is bad and wrong in and of itself.
To have the majority country look after its own interest is oppressive and vicious to the minority, but...
When white people are the minority, then it's wrong for minorities to have any power.
Then in that case, you've got a minority dictating what the rest of the country does, then it's wrong in that case.
It doesn't matter to them.
They don't give a damn about minority, majority, fairness, protections for minorities, majority rule.
This is all gibberish.
It's all gibberish.
They don't care.
They don't care.
When white people are the majority, it's bad.
When white people are the majority, that's bad.
They just don't like white people.
They don't want us to exist.
Just get that through your head, alright?
That's the only understanding you need to glean from all of this.
Now, let's prove everything I'm saying now, shall we?
Let's actually look into what's going on in South Africa.
These people keep telling us that all of this is fake, all of this is wrong, all of this is bad and white supremacist.
Let's go to clip number one here.
When you talk about apartheid, there are more race-based laws today in South Africa than there were in the height of apartheid.
Let me say that one again.
There are more race-based laws in South Africa in 2025 than there were in South Africa in 1975.
Just so we're clear.
Go to clip number one.
robert hersov
140 race-based laws.
In South Africa, all anti-white.
And eight days ago, Cyril Ramaphosa, our president, signed into law, and just hear these three words, expropriation without compensation.
And this is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
There's been endless laws, anti-white, boiling us like a frog in a bowl.
And all I can say is thank you, America, and thank you, Donald Trump, for taking notice, because we are on the edge.
Of the socialist abyss.
unidentified
So how do you guys get out of this?
Obviously, there's a complex racial history there.
How do you reverse some of this?
I mean, that's an awful lot of laws.
robert hersov
I don't think we can internally.
We have to wait till the 2029 national election, and I don't think our economy will survive.
It requires some external dynamic to change it.
And I think Donald Trump and America taking notice.
And coming in swinging with a baseball bat may be that dynamic we need.
unidentified
So when you saw over the last couple of years in America, wokeness infecting our systems, and suddenly we were focused on race, and we were putting it into, it was this very people who said we were systemically racist that were putting racism into the system in a systemic way, must have given you a little concern about the direction we're going, as much as that's now been rolled back.
robert hersov
Well, we've been infected in South Africa with the evil woke mind virus.
Way more than in America.
We've got it times two.
And there's no momentum in South Africa to reverse it.
In fact, it's quite the opposite.
harrison smith
So again, the president of South Africa signing a law into place, land expropriation without compensation.
By the way, when these farms get confiscated, they just go away.
They don't actually...
You don't just replace the white farmers with black farmers and everything continues as it was.
The places go away.
It just happens time and time again.
The classic example of Zimbabwe, where people lay out the headlines by date, and it's like, we're expelling all of the white people.
We're starving.
We need all the white people back.
Please come back, white farmers.
The same thing's happening in South Africa.
You have these massive, massive farms.
Been there for hundreds of years, massively productive, you know, breadbasket of Africa.
And then they get expropriated, and then they get sold to somebody that, you know, it's all grift from the government, just wanting something that they don't have, taking it over, not knowing how to actually manage it, allowing it to collapse, and blaming white people.
It's just rinse and repeat.
Do it over and over again.
Here's that president, Ramaphosa.
Clip number four.
unidentified
The land of our forefathers and our foremothers must return to our people without any fail and without any payment of compensation.
And it must happen now.
harrison smith
Totally not genocide, though.
Totally not genocide.
South African Julius Malema, shoot to kill, kill the boar, the farmer.
Totally not genocide, though.
By the way...
We're going off the UN definition of genocide, which basically says any measure taken to diminish or eliminate a group based on their ethnicity, religion, or some other immutable characteristic is attempted genocide.
These people are acting like they're like, but there are still white Africans in South Africa, so how can it be a genocide?
And just to say the cliche thing, there were still Jews in Germany.
Does that mean it wasn't a genocide?
Does that mean the Holocaust didn't happen?
No, the lack of evidence means that...
No, I'm kidding.
Clip number seven here.
Democrats very upset about one of these scenes.
Again, just showing the flagrant hypocrisy.
We can roll this again as B-roll.
And then we'll go to clip number nine.
Because clip number nine will be an aerial view.
So again, you know, this is the issue.
This is the problem.
This is all you need to see, really.
I could just play this video over and over for three hours a day, and it would make my argument for me.
Democrats hate one of these scenes.
Democrats despise the people in one of these videos.
And it's not the mob of African men tearing down fences and attacking the Border Patrol.
That, they think, is loving and good and beautiful and brave and powerful.
White families with the women and the children waving the American flags, that is heinous to them.
It's despicable.
What'd that guy say?
It's disgusting.
It's abominable.
Used even more strident words.
These people are sick.
I really don't know what else to tell you.
These people are disgusting.
Anybody advocating against this is really a piece of crap.
Clip number nine.
Each one of these crosses represent a white Christian farmer killed in South Africa.
And it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on.
Every one of these crosses, a white South African.
And this will play for a couple minutes.
And, yep.
Not a genocide, though.
No, it's just, you know, because black people also are victims of crime.
So, how dare you notice the race-based eradication of a population?
Still going.
It's still going across for every white farmer killed in South Africa along the highway for as far as the eye can see.
Every single one of these is an innocent person.
Every single one of these, a white person whose family arrived to an empty land hundreds of years ago, created a civilization from nothing where nothing existed before.
They didn't take over cities.
They didn't take over colonies.
They didn't take over a civilization.
They arrive to a largely empty land with a couple of goat herders on it, who, by the way, they traded with and cooperated with until the Zulus and Bantus arrived hundreds of years later, deciding that actually it's their land.
Actually, it's their ancestral land.
And that argument apparently is rock-solid and undefeatable.
It's totally valid because apparently black people...
Any black person has a claim to everywhere in Africa.
And ask them about Europe, and they'll tell you there's no such thing as white people.
They're not indigenous anywhere.
And they'll have to be ousted.
South African farmers worried as president legalizes land seizures without compensation.
And that's, you know, on the merciful end of the spectrum of what South Africa has been up to recently.
Here's Julius Malema, the leader of the EFF, the largest African party in their Congress.
We've got clip number 11 here, because he makes it very clear.
unidentified
I'm willing to condemn murder, more than willing, but not of white people.
I'm not going to play in the hands of white supremacy.
harrison smith
Yeah, see, it's white supremacy to condemn murder of white people.
unidentified
Of course I'm willing to condemn murder, but not of white people.
harrison smith
He's a political leader in South Africa.
He's not some crazy extremist spouting off on Rumble, right?
He's not some crazy dude making TND memes on X behind an anime avatar.
He is the leader of the most prominent African nationalist party, the EFF, in Africa.
Of course I'm willing to condemn murder, but not of white people.
Why would he?
He doesn't just not condemn it.
He chants and dances along and celebrates it.
He sings a song where the chorus is kill the boar, kill the white.
I mean, no problem with that.
Not an issue with that from the left is here.
Let's go to clip number 13. Here's Julius Malema again, the member of the National Assembly of South Africa.
Let's watch.
unidentified
Before invading the nations, the U.S. always fabricates human rights violations to justify intervention.
Today, same tactics are being used against South Africa.
The growing calls by right-wing groups for foreign funding to establish independent states and to be armed by foreign interests must be recognized as part of a broader plan.
This is the early stage of economic isolation, leading ultimately to military intervention.
Next, AGOA will be terminated, escalating tensions between USA and South Africa.
Our government must dismiss opportunistic African racist groups exploiting US imperialism to fund their racist fantasies of an independent state.
That will never happen.
We will expropriate land without compensation, whether they like it or not.
If they object, they can seek a refugee in America.
Deputy Speaker.
There you go.
We can pull it down.
harrison smith
What he's talking about here, specifically, are places like Orania, which we covered last week pretty thoroughly, so I'm not going to get too much into that.
But in case you missed that episode, white South Africans, who didn't want to be a part of the Rainbow Coalition, where they're killing you for your land, so they said, okay.
You guys took over South Africa.
That's yours now.
We're going over here where there's nobody and nothing, where nothing exists and nothing has been built, and we're going to build our own town.
They built the town.
It's a thriving success.
For years, there wasn't even a single murder in the entire population until earlier this year when there was a domestic dispute where a man killed his wife because she was cheating on him.
Aside from that, not a single murder in the entire town.
We showed you the videos.
The black guy going around going, it's just like South Africa, but it's safe.
There are white children playing in the yard.
What is this?
White children outside?
And nobody is raping and murdering them?
What is this crazy place?
So they hate that, and they're taking that over, and they want that now.
Doesn't belong to them.
They didn't build it.
They can't maintain it.
It only exists because they drove these people out of their ancestral homelands, forced them to go create their own Colony off by themselves.
And now that it's successful, now that it's thriving, now that it's actually doing better than South Africa, the South Africans are pissed and they want it.
It's theirs now.
So we've just seen the presidents of South Africa encourage land confiscation without compensation.
We heard Julius Malema, leader of the EFF, not only endorse murdering white people, but say, we're going to take your land.
We're not going to compensate you, and if you don't like it, you can run away and get refugee status.
Great.
That's what we're doing.
Literally.
Is there any asylum seeker in America that can point to their government and say, look, their government is literally saying, become a refugee to America or we're going to take your crap and kill you.
That's actually what's happening in South Africa.
Here's the acting president of South Africa encouraging black people to go to the privately owned Orania settlement and illegally occupy it.
Clip 23. Orania.
unidentified
And Oranya, a piece of land in the Northern Cape.
They want to create some land that is independent.
Actually, if I would be a president for more than three hours, I would declare that we must go and build in Oranya.
Black people must go and build there.
And we mix them.
They appreciate that hatred can never survive.
Peace.
It is peace that build a nation.
But I can't.
If I was, I would say, go and build in Orania.
Others go over to America and ask them to punish us.
But they stay here.
harrison smith
There he says, like, you know, if I become president in the first three hours of my administration, I will.
You know, allow black people to go destroy Orania.
Because how dare they?
How dare white people build a civilization and a colony on empty land that we want?
Malema wants Orania.
Abolished, vows to take action.
So again, we'll move on.
But just in light of what's happened over the last 10 years of asylum-seeking refugee status, the migration...
Attack against America.
Tens of millions of people and even daring to question them being an outrageous act in itself of white supremacy.
And then compare that to 59 South Africans targeted by their government, as you see, just verbatim, just right out in the open.
Targeted for murder.
They claim asylum and the left is outraged and says it's white supremacist.
It's outrageous.
It's despicable to even consider these people refugees.
And all of Africa belongs to all black people.
But try to say Europe belongs to white people.
And again, you're a Nazi.
And it's not genocide because some of them are still alive.
And black people also attack black people.
So therefore, the white people that are attacked for their race and having their land expropriated don't deserve crap.
Just take it all in and just understand what the dynamics at work here are.
They hate white people and there's no escape.
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unidentified
This is the American Journal.
harrison smith
I'm thinking about opening up phone lines, but I do understand that Trump is about to go live from the Middle East any minute now.
Oh, we have Lisa Logan today?
unidentified
Oh.
harrison smith
Hot dog.
All right.
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Now with that, we'll cover some of the other big news today, including Donald Trump's trip to the Middle East, and the UK apparently realizing that replacing its population with hostile foreigners, not a great policy, not a great concept to pursue.
Your continuing existence is something that you are in favor of.
Netanyahu must now work for support of U.S. as Trump tires of Israel's war in Gaza.
So Trump's on a four-day sojourn through the Middle East, and he's not stopping in Israel.
And this comes after several actions by the Trump administration Displeasure with the Israeli regime in the course that the war with Gaza is taking.
Now, I don't know if some people just want Trump to be pro-Israel so they are coming up with ways that this is all a big trick.
But I've seen that idea spread on X and on other people's shows.
That's like, ah, this is all just a big play.
This is all just...
You know, Kabuki theater, Trump and Netanyahu are still best of friends, and there's pretending to fall out, you know, to get something, to get the Gulf states to agree to normalization with Israel.
But I'm genuinely not seeing that.
I'm not, like, there are a way that things go and the way things progress, that when you study this stuff constantly, you can just, you can see the signals, you can see the way the narratives are being built.
And, you know, what the forces are behind them.
In this case, the rift between Israel and America has not been, until like the last few days, has been a major source of, like a major topic of conversation in the media.
They've really tried to downplay it as much as possible.
But if you read between the lines and you look at what's actually happening and what people are saying compared to what's being done, I think we've been presenting you the reality of what's going on, where they have this SignalGate controversy.
And if you'll remember, it was right after SignalGate broke that I wondered if, you know, I said I think like on the day that the SignalGate story broke, and I was saying, I don't know why they're going after Hegseth, it was Waltz that leaked it.
Saying, okay, Waltz is communicating with Netanyahu behind Trump's back.
Remember I talked about, like, imagine if I was talking to the Onion before the bankruptcy, right?
It's, like, unacceptable.
It's totally crazy that this guy, like Netanyahu, is coming to America to meet with Trump to negotiate the path forward in the Middle East.
And ahead of the negotiations, one of Trump's top guys is coordinating with Netanyahu to make sure the talks go his way, not the way of the president.
In fact, you have officials in the White House saying pretty much verbatim that Waltz was working for a foreign president, not ours.
And so I wondered, can we subpoena the text transcripts or the communication between Waltz and Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor of The Atlantic?
And is Goldberg in communication with Netanyahu as well?
Is this not a spy ring operating with both the left and the right in America, working together, collaborating to oust?
Anti-interventionalist members of Trump's administration.
And again, people are recognizing this and asking questions about this.
But this isn't something that's being reported on.
This isn't something that's being even investigated or made a topic of conversation in the mainstream media.
Which we know, if they want to push a narrative, if they want to, even a fake narrative, they all do it together.
They all do it in unison.
And you can see from even just the way they cover things what their intended outcome is.
They're hardly even covering this because it's not in their control.
Because it's not a scam.
It's not a scheme.
It's not a trick as far as I'm concerned.
Again, Netanyahu has said that they're going to have to go it alone.
We can't rely on America anymore.
Of course, it's not possible for them.
So, it'll make you wonder what exactly...
What exactly they mean by that?
Other people asking, you know, why did Trump all of the sudden declare victory against the Houthis?
And I wonder, and I don't have any evidence for this, and this was actually speculation that somebody commented on one of my expos.
They said, what if the Epstein files Revealed a bunch of stuff about Israel.
What if the reason that the Epstein files haven't been released is because it has now become blackmail for America against Israel?
Because there is no doubt, there is not even the slightest chance that the Epstein files don't include a giant network, an array of Israeli operatives in America.
Because that's who Epstein was.
He was a Mossad agent.
He worked with Les Wexner.
He was friends with Ehud Barak, foreign prime minister.
So I imagine when these files come out, it's going to lay bare a massive, very complicated network of manipulation, blackmail, extortion, all at the hands of Israel against America.
And it's really not going to make them look good.
It's really going to piss off Americans.
It's really going to be a negative for our relation.
And honestly, maybe that is a little bit of wishful thinking for me.
I'm like, why haven't they released the Epstein files?
Maybe, and I don't know if it's true, but just maybe, just maybe, the Trump administration is saying to Israel, as soon as these documents get released, you guys are going to be in a lot of trouble.
So, what can you do for us?
So what can we do here to mitigate the consequences of what's going on?
I don't know.
Or it could just be that maybe they didn't realize how entrenched this network is, how active this network is.
Maybe after actually going through and looking at the Epstein files for the first time, the Trump administration looked around and went, oh my God, they've been screwing us over.
I would like to think that people in the Trump administration aren't that ignorant, that they don't know this.
Yeah, Trump sides with the Israeli people against Netanyahu, but it's not about Netanyahu, though.
That's one place that I am a little bit suspicious.
They're keeping all of this on Netanyahu as if it's him and him alone that's responsible for everything that's going on.
Almost setting him up to be the sacrificial...
Where they'll blame everything on Netanyahu, say he made us do all of this, take him out, and then we'll be best friends again, and Israel is innocent of everything.
No, I'm not falling for that.
He's not a king.
He's not able to do this unilaterally.
Netanyahu is one part of a much bigger picture of a giant coalition that controls Israeli society.
That believes everything Netanyahu believes.
He's not unique in his positions or his view.
He just is the figurehead for this group.
So that is one thing where I'm like, why are they so desperate to pile all of this on Netanyahu?
Because clearly he's not carrying out this war by himself, right?
So they say Trump's not going to Israel.
And Whitcoff, Steve Whitcoff, told Channel 12 Television, we want to bring the hostages home, and they did, and that in and of itself is another example.
They go, you've been telling us it's impossible to bring the hostages home, but Trump just brought the hostage home.
So you're lying to continue this war, and that's exactly what Steve Whitcoff said.
He said, quote, Israel is prolonging the war, despite the fact we don't see where else we can go and that an agreement must be reached.
It was the latest in a series of high-profile and high-stakes snubs from the White House, which suggests that Israel's most important allies frustrated with its government and possibly losing interest in its fortunes.
Trump's not against Israel, but he doesn't care about Israel, said Alon Pincus, former Israeli diplomat.
Again, I mean, these are the things people say about Trump.
I don't think that's an accurate reading.
I think that's a pretty...
Insulting and offensive reading of the situation.
It's like, he just doesn't like us because he can't profit from us.
Well, maybe it's because you were a leading force in the multiple wars that largely destroyed the United States over the last 30 years.
Could be that, too.
Or maybe Trump's just super greedy.
Could be one of those things.
Last week, Trump announced his ceasefire deal with the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen, which excluded Israel.
He described the Houthi rebels as brave just days after one of their missiles hit Israel's main airport, prompting many international airlines to suspend flights.
Houthi attacks on Israel have continued.
He previously dismissed Israeli calls for military action against Iran, instead opening up talks with Tehran on ending its nuclear program.
Again, a surprise and not a welcome one from the Israeli perspective.
Days after the Houthi ceasefire deal, news leaked that the Trump administration had dropped a Biden-era demand that linked progress on Saudi Arabia's civilian nuclear program to normalizing relations with Israel.
Saudi Arabia has ruled out normalization while Israel is at war with Gaza.
Trump's move made clear he doesn't want his hands to be tied as he heads to Riyadh this week to seal billions of dollars in expected deals.
His first trip to the region since returning to the White House will also include visits to Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, but not Israel.
That conspicuous absence from the presidential itinerary would have been unthinkable.
We can go to clip number 14 because Mark Levin, patriotic American, is throwing a fit over reports that Trump may actually put the interests of America over those of Israel.
Again, I think we can all see what's happening here.
mark levin
Let's go to clip 14. We reject it.
I speak for tens of millions of red-blooded Americans.
I speak for Christians and Jews and others alike.
harrison smith
Oh, do you?
mark levin
This is the view of the American people.
That's number one.
harrison smith
Americans hate- Let's just pause right there.
No, it's not.
Now we can continue.
mark levin
We hate terrorists, butchers, Nazis.
We hate men that kill babies, that decapitate babies, that rape women and burn people alive and attack young teenagers at festivals.
harrison smith
Hold on, hold on, hold on now, Mark.
Hold down, Captain America.
You're right, we do hate those people.
Why do we hate them?
Why do we hate them?
We hate them because of the things you just described.
So anybody doing those things is who deserves our hatred.
And the vast majority of the actions he just described are being carried out by Israel and Israel alone.
So, Mark Levin will downplay or will ignore the actions of Israel doing everything he just described.
Killing babies, burning people to death, bombing hospitals, bombing refugee camps, enforced starvation, drone programs that algorithmically determine whether or not a person Might be Hamas.
And then waiting until they're home.
So they make sure to take out the whole family.
He's right.
I do hate these things.
I do hate these things and the people carrying them out.
So let's go back to Mark Levin.
mark levin
We despise them.
We got real questions about Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia's role in 9-11.
And the more that comes out, as the FBI just released some information about six to eight months ago, the worse it looks that Saudi Arabia did in fact have a hand in helping Al-Qaeda attack us and kill over 2,000 of our fellow citizens.
harrison smith
Remember the dancing Saudi Arabians?
mark levin
That's what we Americans reject and believe.
We know who the good guys are.
80% of us support the state of Israel, our holy land for Jews and Christians.
And most of us despise the terrorist and the terrorist regimes, all of which are one form of dictatorship or another.
So that's the foundation.
Let's begin there.
If only Israel would accept the Palestinian state as a condition of Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords.
If that's a condition, then who cares if they join the Abraham Accords?
Accept a ceasefire with Qatar-funded Hamas, so Hamas, you see, can rebuild and strike Israel again.
harrison smith
Qatar-funded Hamas?
What?
Hold on, let's pause that.
I hadn't even heard that one.
I thought it was Iran-funded Hamas.
What do you mean Qatar-funded Hamas?
Is that because Qatar's the new boogeyman?
Qatar's the new boogeyman, everybody.
But I'm here to tell you that Qatar is our greatest ally.
Qatar's our greatest ally.
And it's the only democracy in the Middle East.
Did you know that?
They're surrounded by enemies.
And if...
You know, Qatar doesn't fight them over here.
We're going to have to fight them over here.
Qatar doesn't fight them over there.
We're going to have to fight them over here.
Okay, Qatar is like a bulwark against radical Islam in the Middle East.
And without Qatar there, the West wouldn't survive.
unidentified
*laughs*
harrison smith
Yeah, it's just as true as Israel.
So, I mean, we might as well say it.
So, yeah, that's weird.
I just had never heard Qatar be blamed for funding Hamas.
I thought that was Iran.
I thought the reason we have to go after Iran is because all these proxy groups they have.
I mean, how many times in the last couple of months have you heard the Houthis are actually Iran?
Hamas is actually Iran.
Hezbollah is actually Iran.
Now it's Qatar because Qatar gave Trump a plane, maybe.
I'm not sure why exactly this has changed, but...
It's because, well, what he's saying are lies.
Let's go back to the liar.
mark levin
Israel again.
That's not going to happen.
Whether Qatar likes it or not.
Except the deal with Iran that does not fully dismantle their nuclear program.
That better damn well not happen either.
harrison smith
What are you going to do about it, Mark?
What are you going to do?
They better not.
I speak for all Americans when I say that we...
We have an intergenerational, desperate drive to destroy Iran.
I speak for all Americans when I say we despise Iran with everything we've got.
I mean, sure, there are Iranian Americans, so that might, maybe not all Americans, because there are ones from Iran.
I'm friends with some of them, actually.
I think the history of Persia is rather fascinating, a pretty...
Pretty admirable and long-lasting civilization.
I'm not a big fan of keeping women in burqas or Muslims, but then again, it's not my business.
It's not my business.
They can do that if they want.
And it's not up to me.
I mean, is this working anymore?
Is this still a thing that we're going to do in the future?
Or can we stop being party to this?
I would like to stop engaging in this conflict.
The problem is that Israel won't survive if we stop engaging in this conflict.
As I've said a couple times, Israel is sort of in the same places as Ukraine is right now, where they're going, oh, if America doesn't want to support us, then we'll go it alone.
And it's like, okay.
I guess.
I mean, you can't, but good luck with all that.
Now, in the case of Ukraine, they said, well, if America won't support us, we'll look to our European allies and the European allies when we stand with you.
But we don't really have anything to give you or any ability to protect you.
So you definitely have your backs.
I mean, for sure, we are on your side and we will not waver.
But also, we can't actually help you in any meaningful way.
So, yeah.
Should have thought about that.
Probably should have thought about that.
So not only is Israel, I mean, they don't have another ally to lean on, if not America.
Although if they leave America by the wayside, chances are they'll just increase their partnership with China, who they're very friendly with, and, you know, operate.
You know, ports for China and stuff like that.
So, you know, they could just do that.
That would be pretty shocking to people who think that their, you know, alliance with America is based on some sort of shared interest.
It's not.
We're just the ones that give them stuff.
They certainly can't go to Europe because not only does Europe not have the capability to arm them or protect them to the extent that America does, they don't have bases scattered throughout the Middle East with...
Tens of thousands of soldiers.
They don't have aircraft carriers menacing Iran.
I mean, they just don't have it.
They don't have the capability.
They also don't have the will or interest.
UK high court hears challenge to British government's role arming Israel.
Human rights group Al-Haq and Global Legal Action Network filed a high court case on May 13, 2025 against the UK government over supply of F-35 jet parts to Israel used in Gaza.
The case disputes the UK government's decision to include F-35 parts from its September 2024 freeze on export licenses amid allegations that these components are linked to actions in Gaza that breach international legal standards.
The UK supplies about 15% of F-35 parts, including laser targeting systems, which rights groups say are used in Israel's airstrikes, causing extensive Gaza civilian casualties.
And so the UK court may actually halt these exports.
So even if they have the military components needed to, you know, allow They might not give it to you because you're committing genocide and violating international law and are credibly accused of and even convicted in the ICC of crimes against humanity.
So I don't know how they're going to go it alone.
They can't.
It's just not possible.
There are no other allies who can actually make up for what America would take away.
They're not in a good place.
And if it's all just Netanyahu's fault, then why are people like Mark Levin defending it so vociferously?
judge andrew napolitano
This was just released a few minutes ago, Professor Sachs, from a closed session of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
You're probably familiar with their committee structure.
Prime Minister Netanyahu, quote, this is stated in Hebrew, but we used AI to translate it.
I think we will need to wean ourselves off American military aid, close quote.
If he said that, what does that tell you, Professor Sachs?
jeffrey sachs
Well, that would indicate...
That he recognizes that the US is going to pursue a different foreign policy not to support his wars.
This would be wonderful news.
It might suggest that he has the advance notice that President Trump is going to call for a state of Palestine as a UN member state.
That's the breakthrough.
That we need above all.
If it happens, and if this quote suggests that, of course we're reading a lot into it, but if it suggests that, that is phenomenal news.
It's interesting, by the way, we should understand how many foreign policy initiatives President Trump has engaged in just this moment that look positive right now.
And this is astounding.
First is Ukraine.
I think he is maneuvering.
To get that war ended, and he's doing it very successfully.
With the U.S.-China today, the agreement to roll back the tariffs that went to the stratosphere a few weeks ago, this is very good news.
With the president intervening in the India-Pakistan It's very close.
He needs to understand.
And really needs to see that if he says two-state solution, no nonsense, this is the real thing, all his other goals will be achievable.
And that is a remarkable, remarkable fact.
judge andrew napolitano
But think of the...
The ramifications of this quote, assuming that Netanyahu said it, I think we will need to wean ourselves off American military aid.
Where are they going to go?
Who else is going to give them what the U.S. gave them?
jeffrey sachs
I'll tell you where they would have to go.
They would have to go to normalcy, to diplomacy, to peace.
There is no military alternative for them other than the U.S. President Trump finally stops the U.S. backing of these military adventures.
They have no other place to go.
What they will have to do is wean themselves off of a 30-year addiction to war.
They have to go to real diplomacy, real diplomacy with the Arab neighbors, real diplomacy with...
And I think this is the key point.
President Trump can bring about peace by recognizing the state of Palestine.
Right.
Because that will bring the entire Arab world, which has repeatedly said that's the precondition for normalcy.
It will bring the 57 countries of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation all to say, yes, this is what we have been saying for decades.
This is finally coming to reality.
judge andrew napolitano
Will it bring about a collapse of the Netanyahu government?
jeffrey sachs
Most likely.
But, you know, in this world, it's so important to understand the world cannot be organized for the survival of a particular incumbent, especially one that has made egregious...
Errors, if you want to be, if you want to be, I don't know, very charitable about it.
harrison smith
So that's Professor Jeffrey Sachs talking to Judge Napolitano about the fate of Israel.
Stay tuned.
We'll be joined by Lisa Logan on the other side to talk about the U.N. Agenda 21. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
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Once again to the show, she is a parent who gained notoriety for exposing the agenda behind social-emotional learning programs, SEL programs, that are destroying children's minds across America.
She's with us today to discuss another bombshell story she published along with Ben Warren at InfoWars.
It's titled, The Deceptive Democracy Movement Threatening America's Republic.
Although she sort of goes light on media interviews, we're happy that she's...
Come to us today.
You can follow her on X at IamLisaLogan and the YouTube is Parents of Patriots 6581.
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Lisa Logan, welcome back to the show.
lisa logan
Thanks for having me, Harrison.
harrison smith
And actually, I just published a brand new article on Infowars.com talking about the origins of Agenda 21. I was going to say as I was reading the bio, I think this might accidentally be the old one because I have the story here and I read it last week.
And in fact, as soon as I read it, I was like, we got to get...
And Matt's like, she's coming on Tuesday.
So I've been wanting to talk to you about this because this really is...
I mean, it's a long article because you really get into the history and the nitty gritty and you have all the documents in here on Infowars.com, the actual origins of Agenda 21, why it's not a conspiracy theory and how it's systematically changed education.
lisa logan
Well, the most startling thing I could probably share with you and your audience about the five years of extensive research I've done is that, you know, your audience has probably held all sorts of theories about a one-world government and a one-world religion and the UN takeover of the world.
All of these conspiracy theories have now been laid to rest because there's nothing conspiratorial about it at all.
It's actually all been published.
And what I found in this book is that not only did Agenda 21 originate three years prior at this particular conference, it was in June of 1989 in Costa Rica, and out of there came an outcome document called the Declaration on Human Rights for...
Peace and Sustainable Development.
But that document was then submitted to the United Nations later that year as Agenda Item 21. Now, it wasn't passed in October of that year, but three years later at the Rio Conference in 1992 in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, where Agenda 21 was published along with two other documents and adopted by the United Nations.
The hugest problem about this is not only did it have a social and political theory behind it, which is communitarianism, this idea that you need to balance the rights of the individual with the rights of the collective, but also that it wasn't just a social and political philosophy, but rather a religious worldview that was put forth in that original conference in June of 1989.
And the plot was to get that worldview into a global education model and brainwash students into it so they would learn how to think and behave sustainably.
harrison smith
Right, and it's just incredibly subtle how this shifted people's worldview, but it explains so much of what we see around us.
So the book you were just holding up, what you do, a lot of people know in the conspiracy world, If you've been in it for any time, you probably know about Agenda 21, became Agenda 2030.
It sort of evolved to meet the needs of the time.
But it all started at this Rio conference in 1992.
That's where most people know the history back to.
What you've done is go back even further and looked at what were the seeds that were planted years before the Rio conference that really budded and bloomed in the Rio conference.
You go back to look at sort of the impetus to what started out.
The process that eventually led to Agenda 21, leading to Agenda 2030, the Great Reset, and everything that we've seen now, right?
So the book you're holding up, it's Seeking the True Peace.
Can you explain what that is in the title of that book?
lisa logan
Yes, so it was Seeking the True Meaning of Peace.
And it was originally organized as a conference that would go over the Buddhist approach to peace.
And the organizer...
Had invited the Dalai Lama of Tibet to come and be the keynote speaker.
And so a bunch of NGOs piled on that were all into this spiritual oneness worldview and said, hey, let's make this a bigger thing and invite all of these people and actually have an outcome document that's going to lay out this inherent oneness and inherent importantness of all human beings and the earth and the biosphere and everything in it.
And this is important because You know, Agenda 21, one thing that was pointed out by many people who exposed it, Henry Lamb and Rosa Quarry, was that the environmental policies that came out of Agenda 21, really, it was the first time that humans were put on the same priority level as the Earth, the biosphere, and everything in it.
And that's a very panentheistic or what you would call non-dualistic worldview.
That the earth and everything in it is one.
We're cosmically intertwined.
And if that's the case, and that's the second rub with this whole theme to Buddhism at this conference, was there's two strands of Buddhism.
One is Theravada, which is about your individual path to nirvana.
And the second that the Dalai Lama and others like Lama Yeshi pushed into education was this Mahayana Buddhism, which is declaring not only a sense of universal compassion because you're all intertwined, but then also a sense of universal responsibility toward everything on the planet.
And gosh, talk about causing anxiety in young children.
Right.
To then be responsible to make sure that those things also flourish.
Now, that's very different from a Christian or Western individualistic worldview.
For instance, when we die, our souls go to heaven, right, to be with our God.
And so when you don't have that worldview, you know, that is all about taking care of everything else in the planet and in it.
And it's really contradicting and placing it into children.
The ability for them to become an activist for these environmental and political causes that believe that your individual rights don't matter as much as the collective.
harrison smith
Yeah, so explain to me, so just play like devil's advocate, I'd say, and we know this is the way that they do it, they can't just come out and tell you, we're trying to enslave all of you, come on in, like no one's going to fall for that.
They have to frame everything in these beneficent sounding phrases.
So, you know, just for the person that's just hearing about this, like, Yeah, I think we are interconnected.
I like, you know, the universality of the human experience.
I do think we have, you know, a responsibility to, you know, look after our earth.
Of course, I, you know, approach it from a Christian worldview.
But, you know, when you talk about the interconnectedness of everybody and the responsibility we have to, you know, take others into account, including animals and trees and the world around us, like, how is this a bad thing?
I mean, you know, for people that are hearing this and go, these people are mad that...
You know, people love everyone and, you know, want everything to be happy and good and communities to prosper.
It sounds so good, Lisa.
Like, why is this so bad if it sounds so good?
lisa logan
Right, and I think that's where another interviewer one time asked me that question.
I think it's the difference between compelled altruism, right, where you feel like, hey, I really want to do this out of the goodness of my heart, whereas a forced...
It's like the difference between volunteering at a homeless shelter by yourself because you feel like you want to do that versus you go to work and all of a sudden they're like, now we have a group exercise and everyone's going to go volunteer at the shelter.
And it's not coming from you.
It's coming from above.
harrison smith
So it lacks virtue.
lisa logan
That's where the United Nations gets it twisted is, you know, they have all these sustainable development goals.
You know, they have no poverty, zero hunger, and they all sound wonderful and good.
But many could argue, and it is being argued across the world, that this needs to be accomplished through the domination and globalization of all of society in the name of whatever it is, right?
In this case, it's peace for sustainable development.
And this is where a lot of the concern, where you see the United Nations pushing things like forced vaccinations and for the common good.
Your individual rights are then subordinated and subsumed into the collective.
And you have to worry about what someone else in the other world is doing.
And that might mean, oh, the redistribution of wealth, right?
So they can have some more for you.
But that takes away your individual rights.
It's very un-American.
harrison smith
Yeah, absolutely.
And I always think about this experience I had.
I was talking to a guy years ago who was a missionary to Buddhist countries, Tibet or somewhere around there.
And he would go and he would try to rescue women that were being kept in slavery.
And he said the biggest hurdle he had to get over was convincing these women to want to leave and to try to leave.
And I just want to get your comments on this because, you know, Buddhism is so important in this.
And I was talking to you saying, look, the Buddhist philosophy is life is suffering.
And that, you know, there's this weird psychological thing where these people are going, if I'm trying not to suffer, that's kind of a sin.
I'm kind of supposed to suffer.
This is where I was born.
This is where I'm supposed to be.
Even though my life is terrible and I could escape, I'm not going to because I just, you know.
Religiously, this is what I'm supposed to be doing, and it feels wrong.
Again, it's kind of vague, but there's something in Christian morality that's like, sure, you can sacrifice yourself if you're in ancient Rome and they're about to throw you to the lions.
You're going to do that willingly because you know you're dying for your faith.
But Christians fight back.
We don't let people suffer.
We try to rescue people.
We try to change situations for the better.
Whereas in some of these communities, they're sort of religiously indoctrinated into just accepting the worst conditions imaginable because life is suffering, and so therefore they're being holy by suffering so much.
And I wonder if that's not an aspect of this, of yes, you're going to suffer, but it's for the greater good, and it's not about you as an individual, it's about everybody all at once, and really the more you're suffering, the better of a person you are, therefore you're not going to fight back against us when we make you suffer.
Do you think that, you know, Plays into this in any way, or do you think I'm sort of off the mark in relating these things?
lisa logan
Yeah, I actually think that you're sort of on the right track because I think it's one of the fundamental differences between, like, Eastern mysticism and Christianity is that we don't believe that we can become gods.
We believe that God is very much separate than us.
And yes, things are divine.
We are divine, but, you know, we also believe that God created the earth and everything in it.
So that we could benefit from those things.
Whereas I feel like the Eastern religions in general, especially Buddhism, they believe in this sense of the suffering gets you to a place of nirvana.
And the suffering is actually, you know, and you might go through several reiterations like reincarnations where you suffer and you learn lessons and then you eventually become this godlike being.
So they believe you can actually become like God on Earth.
And I think that that's a main difference as well.
We don't have control over a lot of the things in the earth.
We can do our best.
But I think this idea that we can alter global consciousness and help others come to this sense of nirvana, that's not our job.
That's God's job.
And I think that's the main difference between religions of the West and religions of the East.
harrison smith
Yeah, I do think it's important, even these little subtle changes.
That might not seem like that big of a deal.
I mean, you expand it out to a lifetime believing this stuff, and you end up in a very different place than you started off.
And again, what I love about your article is you quote things that just expose how intentional all of this is.
That this isn't just like, well, they're just trying to come up with a way to everybody to live.
But you actually have quotes in here.
Let me see if I can find the exact one I was just reading.
They say, quote, we need a new world education.
We need cosmic education foreseen by religions and by people like Maria Montessori.
We need holistic education, teaching the holism of the universe and of the planet.
This is from conference proceedings, page 118, which I guess this is from the, was that from the UN General Assembly or was this from the True Meaning of Peace Conference?
Either one.
It's like, they're very blatant.
They're like, we are trying to create a new world religion.
We are trying to change the spiritual outlook of humanity.
This isn't an unintentional consequence.
This was always the intended purpose.
From before Agenda 21 was even codified in Rio for years before that, they were talking this way.
They were making these plans.
Again, people think that we're conspiracy theorists and just making stuff up or seeing people with good intentions and applying bad intentions to them because we're just crazy.
But it's like, no.
They say what they're trying to do.
We disagree with this.
We're standing up against it.
They call us conspiracy theorists for that.
What I appreciate is you have these quotes that show, really incontrovertibly, this is the intention, a new world religion, a total shifting of the spiritual worldview of children by hijacking education.
lisa logan
It was the most important, I would say, in the West for them.
In the conference proceedings, actually lay out that it's the Western countries who are consuming the most resources.
And a lot of this obviously stems from the Limits to Growth report that came out with the Club of Rome and MIT.
That we're living on a finite planet with finite resources and that we all need to kind of change our behavior accordingly.
So have less children, eat less meat.
You know, all the very same things that we've been talking about that are levers of control for them when it comes to sustainable development.
And I think that that's where it gets a little bit crazy because what happened was is there was a guy.
Who attended that conference?
And actually, he attended many of that quote you read was from Robert Mueller, who was the former Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations.
And he was speaking at that conference, and that's what he said.
harrison smith
Not the other Robert Mueller, not Russiagate Robert Mueller.
lisa logan
No, not the one that was involved in the trial.
harrison smith
Although I wouldn't be surprised.
Some of these names crop up, you know, in places you don't expect.
But this is a different Robert Mueller, just to clarify.
lisa logan
Yes.
harrison smith
Sorry to interrupt.
lisa logan
And so there's a guy who listened to that who was a follower of Robert Mueller, and he was also a Montessori teacher in America.
And he organized this conference of alternative educators, about 80 of them, and they came out with this statement called the Chicago Statement on Education, which became Education 2000.
And they also formed a little group called the Global Alliance on Transforming Education that would kind of...
Spread this Education 2000 idea across the world, this same idea that came out of the conference.
Well, they were working with UNESCO, and UNESCO had these huge education for all conferences, trying to talk about what would it meant to meet basic needs in education, and they decided to expand it, not just reading, writing, and arithmetic, to meeting the needs of the whole child, and that would include their spirituality, their physical needs, and everything else.
And so through those changes and what resulted here in America, President Bush Sr. pushing the America 2000, which did not go through Congress during his tenure as president, but then was pushed through his successor, President Bill Clinton, as Goals 2000 shortly after.
And so they were able to get this model into education, and we see the fruits of that.
Now, in what we're seeing on college campuses today, we've had basically since the 90s, students being educated into this one earth and one world worldview where the needs of the collective bypass the needs of the individual.
So they want to tear America's individualist system down.
They want to force people to mask and force people to vaccinate.
They're okay with individual needs being trampled on as long as it's for the collective good.
And so this is a huge problem.
And I point out at the end of the article that it's not just, you know, obviously getting out of UNESCO and dismantling the Department of Ed are great steps, but this has been, just like Local Agenda 21 was, the environmental policies, this has been basically integrated into all of our education systems from the national level all the way down to the local level, and it needs to be rooted out.
harrison smith
Yeah, it absolutely does, because again, people don't understand what a dramatic impact this had.
And I guess it's just a law of unintended consequences, because again, the intentions seem on the surface like they're positive, but you end up with 90% of the people graduating from Chicago high schools are illiterate.
And it's like, yeah, maybe they'll be able to tell you all about...
Sexual proclivities and transgenderism, but they can't read or do math.
So it's like by trying to pursue this agenda of the whole person, the holism, you note this phrase they use, holism, that all the earth and everything in it is interconnected and independent.
And we're going to teach them that.
We're going to teach them social emotional learning.
And what you end up with is a bunch of dumb, miseducated, completely wrong and brainwashed people.
Whereas if you just do what school is supposed to do and try to educate people and...
Just teach them reading, writing, arithmetic.
What you end up with is decent people doing their best, working together.
You end up with better outcomes, similar to just in life.
If you pursue your individual happiness, you're probably going to end up lonely and misery.
If instead you pursue what is right and good and honorable and uplifting, you're going to end up very, very happy, even though happiness wasn't your ultimate goal.
It's sort of like by pursuing these goals, they make it impossible to achieve these goals.
Does that make any sense?
lisa logan
Oh, 100%.
And actually, it actually traumatizes kids.
I mean, we've talked about this before when we've chatted about social-emotional learning.
Many parents in the West educate their kids and impart their values of individualism and of the right to the individual, of Christianity, and their specific worldview.
And they should be able to do that as the parents of those kids.
When kids come to school...
And have that worldview completely contradicted.
And they start saying, you know, your parents just don't understand.
You're living in a different age.
And this is, you know, Black Lives Matter and all that kind of stuff that they push.
They're actually traumatizing the child because, you know, we've talked about this before.
They have to disassociate.
They have to become one child to belong at school with a different set of values and then come home and have another whole set of values and be a different kind of person.
For that home setting.
And it actually traumatizes kids.
And I think that that is an important thing we need to talk about.
And in fact, speaking of Chicago, Harrison, there was just a case that was settled out of court last week.
200 students signed on to it where they were forced to do transcendental meditation at school as a part of quiet time.
I'm sure it was related to social-emotional learning in some way, shape, or form.
But they were forced to do Hindu Ritualistic practices as a part of this program.
And so they actually settled out of court, I think, for $2.6 million or something like that.
And it's because they were not adhering to the whole idea of the separation of church and state.
And we're actually trying to impart on these kids a spiritual worldview that in line with Eastern religious traditions.
unidentified
Right.
harrison smith
No, it's it gets or falls in line with so much of the other stuff that we see where.
For some reason, people are hyper-vigilant to, you know, religious indoctrination when it comes to Christianity.
But if it's any other religion, they act like it's not a religion.
It doesn't matter.
It's fine to do this.
I would even put, you know, the LGBT agenda in there where, you know, that's being taught in schools.
But to me, it is a religion.
It's a spiritual framework that is at odds and contradicts the Christian moral worldview.
And so, but they're able to teach it because they say, well, it's not a religion.
It's just about, you know, acceptance and appreciating everybody.
But no, you're teaching a spiritual worldview that is contrary to the one they learn at home.
That, of course, is going to traumatize kids, or it's going to traumatize kids.
Hell, I was probably traumatized hearing about how I was killing the rainforest as a second grader, but didn't sell enough t-shirts.
You know, all of the leopards were going to die.
I mean, that's what they're teaching kids, and it's...
Sort of horrifying.
And of course, then you're putting them at odds with their parents, and they have to make the decision, okay, do I, you know, keep my parents' worldview and be rejected by all my friends at school, or am I going to go home and yell at my parents and say that they're wrong in indoctrinating me?
It just causes strife and conflict, and it's horrible.
More with Lisa Logan on the other side.
Stay with us, folks.
Find the article at InfoWars.
unidentified
All right, welcome back, folks.
harrison smith
This is the American Journal.
Today's my guest.
We're talking about the subversion that's taking place, completely rewriting the purpose and utility of our public school system to meet the designs of globalists who find it easier to enslave people who have been brainwashed to think they're being good by submitting.
It's not all that complicated.
It just came across my desk, breaking news, and I think it relates to what we're talking about.
If we're talking about just in general, the state of American schools, teen killer Carmelo Anthony allowed to graduate from high school while on bail for brutal stabbing.
So, social-emotional learning.
Maybe not having the intended consequences there, but yeah, apparently this guy's gonna graduate early, so good for him.
He can be the most educated inmate in prison.
It's great.
It's great.
Now, we're talking about this article Lisa Logan wrote.
On Infowars.com, the actual origins of Agenda 21, why it's not a conspiracy theory, and how it systematically changed education in America.
I thought this one paragraph from the first page was really...
The clue to what Agenda 21 really was lies in its actual origin, which came years before the 1992 Rio Conference and contained goals that extended far beyond pushing certain member states to protect the environment.
It included a joint plan to completely restructure education in all countries so that it would no longer be geared primarily towards academics.
Instead, its mission would be to brainwash students into an all-is-one And they have all these words that are sort of, they're little signifiers, they're little alarm bells that should go off anytime you hear them used.
Sustainable or sustainability or sustainably, that to me is like, that is the giant, you know, tornado horn warning sound of You are being tricked.
You are being fooled.
The globalists are pulling a scheme on you right now.
Whenever you hear that word sustainably, that should be a red flag for whoever you're talking to or whatever you're listening to at that moment.
But it makes sense.
It makes sense that all of these things are intertwined.
So again, help us to understand why it is they chose sustainability as the sort of watchword of this operation and how it plays into everything that we see from the crisis of education Immigration and climate change agenda.
I mean, all of this sort of has its moral underpinnings with what was codified in Agenda 21, right?
lisa logan
Right.
And years ago, Rosa Quarry, the famous person who was going around the world talking about Agenda 21, she said it has to do with communitarianism, right?
And so you can't have two things.
You can't have your individual rights.
And balance those with the rights of the community because those are always shifting and changing.
And so if the environmental needs, for instance, require that we stop eating meat or we need to have carbon credits for sustainability, it's about preserving resources for those underdeveloped countries, what they call underdeveloped countries, and the West sacrificing our resource consumption.
Even though we live in a country that believes that we can, you know, consume those resources, especially if it's on our land and whatever else.
But this is a whole agenda to, like, take all that away.
And I think, you know, going back to that breaking news story, I think it's very important for people to understand that this all is one panentheistic worldview is really just what they call now today systems thinking or systems awareness.
I even put a Post-Thread in that article talking about how this is now manifesting with first graders when they're talking about ending hunger.
And they really put this personal responsibility on to see the whole system as a coordinated entity that they have an integral part in that system to sacrifice for the whole.
And they do that through Getting kids to meditate, getting them to feel like they're part of the collective.
They do that in classrooms through social-emotional learning when they put kids in an alpha state, right?
Or when they put them in conversations to share vulnerable information about themselves so that they trauma bond and then feel a sense of responsibility to be an ally to, you know, that person for critical race theory or for that LGBTQ classmate.
Now they have to become an ally.
It's not just enough that they accept them for who they are, but now they have to become an advocate and an activist for a cause.
And so you have to see that this all-is-one worldview really underpins everything that we're seeing today.
The climate activist stuff, right?
What they call now climate literacy.
Digital literacy.
You can't say stuff on the internet because you might, you know, offend someone in the collective, you know, even though you have First Amendment rights.
So we're going to have to squash those, too.
Water rights, land use rights.
It literally touches everything in our sphere.
And it's being implemented not under names like Agenda 21, but by names like, oh, we're going to create resilience by creating policies that help everyone thrive and flourish.
You actually did a really good breakdown of a post that I did a while ago about how this is happening right now through the Biden administration.
I think partly Trump's been breaking it down, but that federal plan for equitable long-term recovery and resilience.
They took the word resilience and were like, oh, you know what that means?
That means you've got to move into smart cities.
And that means you've got to teach kids holistic education.
And they literally transformed people's rights based upon Resilience or sustainability.
So I think that watching for those words is important because you have to know that it means that your individual rights are not going to matter and that they're going to be subsumed and subordinated by the collective.
harrison smith
Yeah, I think resilience might be number two right after sustainable.
I mean, these are the watchwords that they use to signal to each other and they use to sort of conform their ideas under the same mindset.
And as you're talking, I'm thinking that You know, this doesn't just go back to 92 in Rio or 89 in the Costa Rica conference.
The things you're saying really remind me most of Brave New World, written in the 1920s, where he imagines this, you know, communistic, and even, you know, they say, what is it, communitarianism?
That's just an extra syllable in communism.
I mean, it's communism, and that's all it is.
And I always think back, if you listen to old speeches by Winston Churchill, when he would pronounce communism, he would call it communism, right?
It's the common good.
That's where the word comes from, communal communism.
And of course, Brave New World, the whole society was structured around these mottos like, everyone belongs to everyone else.
I mean, it was this idea that you as an individual mean nothing.
It's really your participation in this.
In this group practice that makes your life valuable and makes anything meaningful, and that's what compels them.
And I think about that all the time.
Everybody belongs to everyone else.
And how your individualism, freedom, your independent thought was considered selfish and really anathema and dangerous in this imagined society that, of course, Elvis Huxley didn't make up himself, but was describing what the people he knew, like his brother, who was...
They called him the bulldog for Charles Darwin.
I mean, all of this stuff was coming about in the early 1900s, along with eugenics, imagining this world ahead.
So, I mean, we talk about this going back to 92 or 89. Really, the foundation of this goes back way farther, doesn't it?
lisa logan
Oh, you're spot on about that.
And a lot of these ideas were born in theosophy, and I actually detail that in my article.
These are very much occultist.
World views as well.
The only difference between the theosophist and the Buddhist was that the theosophist believed you could achieve nirvana in one lifetime if you wanted to.
Or as the Buddhist said, you know, you had to come back multiple times.
And so I think, too, that one thing I want to really hit home here is that when you label something as sustainable or resilient, that means, and Rosa Quarry went all over talking about this, it means you have to measure it.
And that way you can control it.
And so when we say that, and this is all about the Agenda 21 policies, right?
We have ESG.
So we can measure people's social and environmental policies and then say, hey, you know, whether or not you hit these ESG goals, now you're eligible for capital or not.
And so now we've got a noose to lead you around in.
And then...
So this is true across the board.
And what happened in education was that they changed it.
So we're not measuring children's academic skills anymore.
It was about measuring the change in their behavior, whether or not they did adopt this worldview, and then tracking that over time.
So now we have college and career readiness standards that have completely changed to measure children's behavior, whether or not they're getting this all-is-one worldview.
And we have companies hiring based on those SEL metrics to see, you know, am I going to have a worker that's inclusive enough?
And so this is across the board going to affect your child, even if your child doesn't buy in to this all-is-one worldview.
And so that's where the danger is, the measuring so that we can control literally everything in society.
harrison smith
Right, and you've talked quite a bit, and if people are interested in learning more, then go back and watch the other interviews that we've done with you.
Just go to Bandai Video and search Lisa Logan, because you've laid out the structure of how things are being measured and where they're being reported to, and it's fascinating and terrifying at the same time.
And I can't help but, again, kind of want to play devil's advocate, just because obviously people that are aware of this stuff, Can read this article or can listen to this and get more in-depth as to the spiritual underpinnings of what's going on here and sort of illuminate the ill feelings they might have but not be able to understand, right?
People might look at what's going on in schools and go, I don't like this, but I can't really tell you why I don't like it.
And I think by listening to you or reading your articles, it sort of gives more underpinning, more foundation to that feeling in and of itself.
But for people who don't know what the hell we're talking about and don't really understand it, Here's what I remember.
I remember several years ago, over a decade ago, I was talking to a guy who was really, really big on looking out for this stuff.
I said something about, oh yeah, I'm going to yoga.
He's like, oh, that's devil worship.
That's spiritually really bad and it's anti-Christian.
I'm like, what?
It's stretching.
I'm stretching.
What are you talking about?
How could this be a cultish brainwashing when I'm...
Doing exercises on a mat.
Like, this didn't make any sense to me.
So I'm thinking about people like that who hear this and go, oh, what?
Occultist underpinnings?
Is this really that big of a deal?
I'm not a fundamentalist Christian.
Why should I care?
Or why should this concern me?
Or this sounds like the ravings of, you know, the Westboro Baptist Church, occultist underpinnings.
So can you just help to, again, I'm just thinking about our audience that's seeing this and maybe thinking, all right, you know, this sounds like some religious stuff.
Again, help us to explain.
In your article, you say, this is more than Buddhism and socialism, the occultist underpinnings of Education 2000 and Agenda 21, the seat advisory committee of the Global Education Program for Peace and Universal Responsibility.
Quite a term there.
Yeah, right.
At the UN's University for Peace was created as an outgrowth of the 1990 Holistic Education Conference to develop a holistic educational program which can express the integral vision of peace that was created at the Seeking of True Meaning of Peace Conference.
Again, speaking to the people that aren't on the same page, how would you explain to them why this is such a bad thing?
lisa logan
Well, first of all, I just want to clarify, you know, I am not anything as far as...
Religion-wise, I actually left a cult after being in one for seven years, so that's why I think this stuff popped out at me so vividly.
I was like, oh my gosh, these are the same tactics that were used on me to manipulate my sense of empathy, manipulate my sense of belonging to the group to adhere to a particular set of ideas.
So first of all, just on its face, the fact that they're doing that in schools, I can...
I actually do practice yoga myself.
I sometimes meditate, you know, or do breathing exercises, but I do that with a full understanding of what I'm doing.
I'm choosing to practice yoga not in a religious way, whereas children who are subjected to this in public education do not have a choice.
They are told they must do this.
I believe in that lawsuit we talked about earlier, it was like they were going to get docked in their grade or whatever if they didn't participate.
So they are doing some things in a very subversive way.
They are teaching a religion without telling you, hey, I'm teaching you a religion.
So that's part and parcel number one.
But as far as, like, you know, this occultist underpinnings, I think it's not just, again, there's pretty mainstream ideas of religion that are pretty out there.
And there's ones where they're actually tapping into spiritual, like they're channeling spirits.
To get power, you know, I mean, I think most people would look at things like witchcraft and, you know, sorcery and all that kind of stuff and be like, eh, that's a little bit too far of religion for me.
You know, most mainstream people don't believe in that kind of stuff and believe it's demonic.
A lot of people believe that they're tapping into the spirits of demons.
And so I think the fact that the World Core curriculum, which many people believe became Common Core, It was based on the teachings of Helena Blavatsky, who was not only, again, she channeled spirits and stuff, Alice Bailey, who also channeled this Tibetan master to write her books.
Muller says in his World Core curriculum, to the preface of it, that it's based on Alice Bailey's books.
The woman who was on the GATE committee, the Global Alliance for Transforming Education, that came up with that Education 2000 document that eventually became Goals 2000, is the Founder or co-founder of the Seven Ray Institute.
That's, again, theosophy.
So the fact that these particular religions are involved with this, I think, should give people some pause and ask yourself, what is my child learning at school?
Because maybe the reason they're not learning to read by the age that they're three is because they're teaching them all of this religious stuff.
And does that belong in classrooms?
And I would say in a place like America where we believe in the separation of church and state, no.
harrison smith
Yeah, absolutely.
And of course, you know, bringing up witchcraft is a good point in and of itself because it's one of those things that maybe if you'd asked me 20 years ago, I'd say, oh, it's ridiculous.
You know, if you get rid of Christianity, people are just going to become materialistic, atheist or whatever.
But we've seen it.
And again, it's one of these things that it's like you used to have to look for symbolism.
You know, you used to have to, like, try to identify little signs they were making, you know, in the Oscars or in Super Bowl halftime.
Now they're just straight up dressed like Satan, doing witchcraft.
You know, it was social media, like, all the influencers just, like, just casting a spell.
And it's like, okay, there's something going on here.
There's something that the fundamentalist Christians were right about.
That when you move the Christian influence...
What comes about isn't some sort of beneficial, you know, collective atheism.
It's like it descends into witchcraft.
There's something spiritually poisonous going on here, and you can't just get rid of one, you know, spiritual belief system without another filling that void.
So I think the rise in open witchcraft that we're seeing, a lot of people just don't take seriously.
They think it's just kind of an aesthetic choice.
But the people doing it, they take this very seriously.
Just a fun aesthetic choice.
They believe in this stuff and they actually practice it.
And they're compelling you to engage in rituals when they put this on TV in front of all of America to see.
So I think there's something very powerful going on there.
Do you see any connection between the instigation of the social-emotional learning and then the rise of witchcraft and demonology and the collapse of Christianity a generation later?
lisa logan
100%.
And, you know, we've talked about this before.
This is not just something that happened.
If you look at the book, The Aquarian Conspiracy, it wasn't written as conspiracy that it's not true.
It's that they literally, these new age folks who believe in a lot of these occultist practices actually got together and they said, hey, how can we work together and network, make networks of networks?
To actually push this into all areas of society.
And so I think that, I mean, I think a lot of things.
I think social media is divided families.
They don't have dinner together anymore.
Parents aren't able to inculcate their belief systems onto their kids as much.
And that's the thing.
You have to feel a sense of belonging at home so you don't fall for this other stuff you're being taught at school and in the media.
And so I think that that...
I mean, it's a combination of things, but I think that really where it starts is making sure that at home you're talking to your kid about what do we believe in this house?
What do you believe?
Do you have questions about what we believe?
And really making sure that that connection's solid because, you know, our kids are on social media and computers, computers even at school all day long.
And so this is what they're being fed a steady diet of.
And parents need to make sure that they're supplementing their own children with their ideas and beliefs and helping them to see kind of really what the true reality of the world instead of what's shown to them on the screen.
harrison smith
A hundred percent.
And I think it's up to parents to educate themselves about what their kids are learning so that you can counteract some of the statements.
I'm just imagining a kid comes home from school and is saying all this stuff about, oh, we have to stop eating meat because it's destroying the planet.
If you don't have a handle on this and can't explain to these kids why what they're being taught is not actually what people believe, you know, because I'm thinking, you know, if they go, you know, capitalism is destroying the world or whatever, and you go, hey, the people that are telling you that are also the ones offshoring everything to China where they don't have any environmental controls and they're denuding entire swaths of the ocean of all animal life.
So, you know, knowing that type of thing, you can counteract the indoctrination by going, hey, Son, the people teaching this, they don't actually believe it.
They're tricking you.
That's a lie.
I know it sounds good, but just understand what these people are really doing versus what they're telling you.
And in that way, you can counteract this.
You can argue back against it.
You can help to sort of put it in context so they aren't thinking that you just don't know anything or just some superstitious old fuddy-duddy, right?
You have to actually...
Interact with this in order to combat it.
You can't just sort of brush it off and go, no, we're Christian in this house.
Shut up.
Stop asking questions.
You have to contend with it, right?
lisa logan
Oh, yes.
And I mean, honestly, that starts just by being close as a family.
And that starts from the time that they exit your womb as a mother and just making sure that have those family dinners.
That's really what it is about.
I think people don't spend time together anymore.
We're so focused on our devices and whatever else.
Make time to have fun together and really share those values as a family.
I've taken my kids to church since they were little, but we've had conversations about why.
Um, why America is so great since they were little, you know, like, look, you have so many freedoms here that so many people don't have.
And, um, so it doesn't have to be a religious, like dogmatic thing where you're teaching your kids your worldview.
They have, they must adopt it, but it's like having your, they're a part of your tribe.
They're a part of your, your, you take care of each other.
And because of that, you have conversations that really bring a lot of this stuff out into the open in a natural way.
harrison smith
Yeah.
And of course that just.
Goes to show you another reason why they're so desperate to destroy the family, because the family is the ultimate bulwark against this indoctrination.
And again, we could go on and on about this, and every time you come on, I wish we had an extra hour with you.
And you sort of answered it there in the last paragraph in the story, which again, I encourage people to go read.
It's the actual origins of Agenda 21 as the title on Infowars.
And the last paragraph says, the question now becomes, how do we reverse course before more are lost?
How do we extricate ourselves from this web of education policies embedded from the federal government?
We like the dual course.
Individually, you can do things to fight back in your personal life, and also we need policy changes that we can advocate for on the political level.
So just in the final minute or so we have with you, what would you tell people that are just learning about this for the first time?
What can they do in their lives to counteract some of the propaganda that their kids are being taught in school?
lisa logan
Right.
Well, I think first get educated.
I have a whole YouTube channel you can go visit.
I talk about social and emotional learning.
I talk about the United Nations influence on all of that.
And I think understanding how that all works and how they're creating the systems thinking worldview and kids in this one world.
Perspective, right?
About everybody having responsibility to another.
Because, again, your kid's going to be experiencing anxiety if they're seeing that at school.
I think the second thing, obviously, is talking to your child.
And then get involved.
Go to the school board meetings.
Go sit.
Find out what they're putting in the schools.
What curriculum are they bringing in?
Because that's really where you're going to see it.
And then go look at that curriculum.
That's how I started doing all of this.
I looked at social-emotional learning, and I was like, wow.
They're trying to brainwash kids.
And this is going to lead to a social credit story.
So I think those three things probably are the best course.
harrison smith
Absolutely.
And I think the more people that wake up, they tell people, those people wake up.
I mean, we really need that sort of feedback loop snowball effect of more people getting involved and speaking out against this.
Lisa Logan, again, thank you so much for coming on.
Lisa's on X at IamLisaLogan and that YouTube channel is ParentsOfPatriots6581.
ParentsOfPatriots6581.
You're looking at there and you can find it on YouTube as long as they let Lisa stay on that platform.
Thank you so much for joining us, Lisa.
lisa logan
Pleasure to be here.
Thanks for having me.
harrison smith
As always, the pleasure is all mine.
That's going to do it for us, folks.
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