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harrison smith
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
We have a very big show for you today.
We're actually going to be playing the Stuart Rhodes interview from yesterday during the second hour, but then we're going to be back to interview Devin Tracy, a.k.a.
Atheism is Unstoppable.
Talk about the Well, the plague that is currently besetting our fine nation of activists letting criminals out of prison.
It's a major problem, and he's a very good commentator on all that.
So we might not have time to take calls today, but we have plenty to show you in the first hour, so let's just get right into it.
it.
Here it is, your daily dispatch.
All right, here it is, folks, your daily dispatch for Tuesday, October 11th, 2022.
22.
Kanye West has been locked out of social media for his anti-Semitism.
They fell for his trap.
Ye shared anti-Semitic statements in his last post, and Hollywood and the social media platforms are proving actions have consequences.
Certain words will not be countenanced.
No, not anymore.
The rapper, also known as Kanye West, was locked out of his Twitter and Instagram accounts.
Spokespeople for Twitter and Instagram said Sunday that Kanye posted messages that violated their policies.
So, uh, very sad.
Very bummer. It's a bummer.
We like Kanye West here.
He never got to go DeathCon.
He never got to go DeathCon 3.
Dang it. We didn't get to see what that was about.
Although, also, there's been images posted of a Kanye West tweet that I legitimately cannot figure out if it's a real tweet or not.
It's the one that says, George Soros and Klaus Schwab are your enemies, not China and Russia.
Is that fake? All right, that's fake, apparently.
Dang it. Apparently, I know Jason Hinkle tweeted that out a couple months ago.
But anyway, yay.
I was going to comment on...
Jews being behind cancel culture, but he got canceled before he could, so there it is.
Tulsi Gabbard, meanwhile, announces she's leaving the Democratic Party.
Former Democrat presidential candidate and Representative Tulsi Gabbard announced Tuesday that she's leaving the political party.
Gabbard of Hawaii and a military veteran made an announcement on Twitter in a post that includes roughly one minute long video in which she talks about her reasons for leaving the party.
She's saying, I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that is under the complete control of an elite cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness who divide us by racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism, Gabbard wrote.
So yeah, she's leaving the Democratic Party, but having mentioned anti-white racism, we know there is no room for her in the GOP. No, not with that type of language.
Calling out anti-white hatred?
How dare you?
How dare you oppose something real?
We'll show you that video on the other side.
It's good, as you would expect.
Meanwhile, pro-Russian hackers claim responsibility for knocking U.S. airport websites offline.
LAX officials told NPR that FlyLAX.com was partially disrupted early Monday morning.
The service interrupted, did not compromise internal airport systems.
There are no operational disruptions, according to authorities.
So, yes, the Russian hackers have done less to disrupt the airline industry than the COVID measures.
But of course, we know that this is the next step in the plan, the cyber attacks, the cyber emergency, the cyber pandemic that the profits over at the World Economic Forum have been foreseeing in their crystal ball slash planning to enact themselves as a false flag justification for their global world order.
Meanwhile, we have this story here in the States.
Lawless Colorado Secretary of State Gina Griswold sends out 30,000 voter registration notices to non-citizens.
Because... She just did.
I don't know. She's not allowed to.
It's not legal to. Complete violation of everything we hold dear, but she did it, so there it is.
Finally, we have this. USDA implementing $500 million stimulus program for domestic fertilizer production.
It's being called Operation Too Little Too Late, and it won't succeed at all.
We'll be right back.
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Watch it live right now at band.video.
harrison smith
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
You're watching The American Journal, Infowars.com, band.video.
We're going to have to be...
Taking care of some business in the second hour, so we're going to replay the interview from yesterday with Stuart Rhodes.
He called in from behind bars to discuss the troubling situation of the First Amendment in this country.
We'll be back in the third hour to interview Devin Tracy.
He started out as a YouTuber called Atheism is Unstoppable.
I guess that's still what he goes by.
But he's moved on from bashing Christians to talking about The state of crime in this country and really just breaking down the lawless illogic of the Democratic Party.
So very excited to talk to him about one of the biggest issues we have in this country.
The rash of horrific violence that's going totally unabated.
So we have a very big show for you today.
We've got a bunch of videos.
You know, we're only going to have about an hour for me to play videos and talk about this stuff.
Matt calls me before the show and he's like, yeah, I think 45 videos might be too many.
I was like, right, right, no, that's literally impossible for me to play all those.
Sorry, I'll cut it down a little bit, but all 45 videos will be available on my Substack, harrisonhillsmith.substack.com.
You can watch them all. But I want to go to a couple important ones here.
This is clip number two. Tulsi Gabbard has announced that she is leaving the Democratic Party.
She posted this with a statement on Twitter.
Let's watch the statement now, shall we?
tulsi gabbard
I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that's under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers who are driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism.
Who actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms that are enshrined in our Constitution, who are hostile to people of faith and spirituality, who demonize the police but protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, who believe in open borders, who weaponize the national security state to go after their political opponents, and above all, who are dragging us ever closer to nuclear war.
Now, I believe in a government that's of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Unfortunately, today's Democratic Party does not.
Instead, it stands for a government that is of, by, and for the powerful elite.
I'm calling on my fellow common sense, independent-minded Democrats to join me in leaving the Democratic Party.
If you can no longer stomach the direction that the so-called woke Democratic Party ideologues are taking our country, I invite you to join me.
harrison smith
Pretty powerful stuff.
The Democratic Party has been seized and control has been taken by a small cabal of elite warmongers.
I mean, it's the same with the Republican Party, but she is right.
She's right about the Democratic Party.
That is certainly true.
I do wonder if she'll go to the Republican Party now or if she'll try to join a third party.
I wonder what is ahead for Tulsi Gabbard, but hopefully there's still enough common sense in this country that people on the left who actually are sincere about the values they hold can watch a video like that.
And realize that it's not enough for your party to have the correct talking points and rhetorical tricks to pull on the media.
Because it's really not.
I mean, the Democratic Party says a lot of great stuff, but everything they do collapses into utter and horrific failure.
And of course, the only thing they have now is lying about Republicans and portraying Republicans as just vicious, anti-democratic agents of chaos.
That's literally all they have.
And they have to lie about it most of the time.
Of course, when it comes to who the people are that are incapable of maintaining an open, free, democratic society, it's pretty clear where the blame lies in the collapse of all this.
We can't even show you the video because it's so full of curse words.
But the video is out there of an unhinged leftist singing F. Ashley Babbitt as she destroys a birthday memorial to Ashley Babbitt on the steps of the U.S. Capitol while Capitol Police stand by and do nothing.
Say what you want about Republicans, but...
If there was a young woman murdered by police during protest, shot point blank in the chest, you'd think a lot of Republicans would be out there stomping on her grave, angrily, psychotically screeching at supporters who were mourning her or wishing her a happy birthday after she was murdered.
The point is that this is not, again, a...
One-off, far-left, crazy person that everybody in the Democratic Party denounces.
This is perfectly in line with all of the language from the Democratic Party.
This is who these people are.
They are vicious, psychotic, hateful destroyers.
And that's all they are.
So, enough. Enough of the blaming Republicans for the division and the hatred in this country when it is coming entirely, completely...
And continuously, from one direction, that is the left.
Now, J.D. Vance and Tim Ryan debated yesterday for their Ohio Senate race, and Vance did a wonderful job of Holding his own against Tim Ryan and doing it in a way that should be a lesson to Republicans everywhere.
Do not let your Democratic opponent set the stage for you to dance on.
Okay? Be forthright and upfront about what you actually believe and Shame them for having to make things up in order to get a point over on you.
So I'm going to go to that video now. Here is J.D. Vance replying to an accusation by Tim Ryan that J.D. Vance was somehow happy that a 10-year-old girl had to get an abortion in Ohio.
Let's watch. What do you think about this as an exception?
jd vance
Look, I've always believed in reasonable exceptions.
This is a misrepresentation of my view.
But let's hear it from me, not from Congressman Ryan.
I absolutely think the 10-year-old girl, the case that we've of course heard a lot about, an incredibly tragic situation.
Look, I've got a 9-year-old baby girl at home.
I cannot imagine what that's like for the girl, for her family.
God forbid something like that would happen.
I have said repeatedly on the record that I think that that girl should be able to get an abortion if she and her family so choose to do so.
But let's talk about that case.
Because why was a 10-year-old girl raped in our community, raped in our state in the first place?
The thing the media and Congressman Ryan, they talk about this all the time, the thing they never mentioned is that poor girl was raped by an illegal alien, somebody that should have never been in this state in the first place.
You voted so many times against border wall funding, so many times for amnesty, Tim.
If you had done your job, she would have never been raped in the first place.
Do your job on border security.
Don't lecture me about opinions I don't actually have.
harrison smith
Last line is my favorite.
Do your job on border security and don't lecture me on opinions I don't even have.
That's what they do.
They just make something up and then lecture you as if you believe it.
And a lot of Republicans, like, apologize.
They're just like, no, no, no, please don't hate me.
I don't believe that.
unidentified
It's just like, just tell them to...
harrison smith
Go jump in a river. Do it in the way that J.D. Vance did there.
When we get back, we're going to go to what the Democrats' solution to all of this is.
Is it to make better arguments?
Is it to actually comport their policies to the beliefs of the people that they ostensibly represent?
Or is it to demand that we have a commission run by a former Democratic president that gets to determine what is and is not a valid opinion in this country?
I know. It might shock you what the Democrats actually propose doing.
And we'll show you the video on the other side.
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harrison smith
Ladies and gentlemen, it appears as though the Democrats are coming to the realization that they cannot win fair contests.
They cannot run on the success of their policies because there is none.
Nothing to point to.
So instead, they're doing everything they can to try every hook and crook to try to muddy the waters and Essentially just stop Republicans from being able to vote for the people they want to vote for and or just destroying the election system as a total, as a whole, just because we can't trust the Americans to make the right decision.
That is, we can't trust Americans to make the decision we want them to make.
So maybe they don't get to make a decision anymore.
Maybe we just let everyone in the world vote.
I think I'm exaggerating. Lawless Colorado Secretary of State Jenna Griswold sends out 30,000 voter registration notices to non-citizens in both English and Spanish.
If they can't cheat, they can't win.
Fox News reported around 30,000 non-U.S. citizens living in Colorado were mistakenly sent postcards late last month encouraging them to register to vote.
Democratic Secretary of State Jenna Griswold's office said the postcards were mistakenly mailed out on September 27th after department employees compared a list of names of 102,000 people provided by the Electronic Registration Information Center to a database of Colorado residents issued driver's licenses.
The Department of Revenue's driver's license list includes residents issued special licenses for people who are not U.S. citizens.
But it didn't include formatting information that normally would have allowed the Department of State to eliminate those names before the mailers were sent out, Griswold's office said.
Oops. Oopsies.
Oh, are bad. Oh, darn it.
matt infowars
It was an honest mistake.
harrison smith
Oh, just an honest mistake.
matt infowars
Darn it. Yeah, just got like the two databases mixed up.
It's not like they were trying to put one set...
Of information in another database to send out.
harrison smith
No, it's so hard.
It's so difficult. It's not that they're purposefully trying to rig the election by sending out tens of thousands of voter registration cards to non-U.S. citizens hoping that they'll vote against the U.S. citizens and overwhelm them in numbers.
No, it's just that they're bad at their job, okay?
matt infowars
But Harrison, they're probably going to vote Republican.
harrison smith
Yeah, probably. That's probably the case.
matt infowars
That's what I'm thinking.
harrison smith
I would love to have...
We need a rolling tally of accidents.
A rolling tally of oopsies.
And you just see which direction the oopsies happen.
It's like it happened back in 2016.
There were videos of...
People had videos where they're at the voting machine and they're pressing Donald Trump and the Hillary Clinton button lights up.
And I remember at the time getting in that argument and people going, it's just a mess up.
It wasn't rigged for Hillary.
It just was a mistake.
And it could have gone either way.
But it didn't go either way, does it?
It always goes to the left's benefit.
PayPal releases a...
You know, a misinformation policy.
Oh, oops. Oh, no. That was an accident.
Oh, all of the voting machines are turning your votes from Republican to Democrat.
Oh, oops. Sorry.
We couldn't have known that was going to happen.
Oh, oopsies. We sent out voter registration to 30,000 non-citizens.
Oh, oopsies. Oh, oops.
We accidentally double-counted all of the ballots from this county.
Oh, darn it. Sorry. Whoopsies.
Like, does it ever happen the other direction?
And if it did, would the Democrats believe that it was an accident?
Would they ever let... Republicans live this down.
Like, if it accidentally, a bunch of black people were removed from the voter rolls in some, you know, big Democratic stronghold by a Republican, you know, like a Republican Secretary of State accidentally forgets to, you know, re-up the registration on a whole swath of black people, and you expect the Democrats to be like, wow, it's an honest mistake.
No, it would be this is the Republicans doing everything they can to stop black people from voting because they're racist and they don't, right?
This was on purpose. This is what they're doing.
They keep making these mistakes and having these little accidents and making emergency measures that always benefit them 100% of the time because they're cheaters.
Because they are in a mindset of it doesn't matter how you win, you just have to win.
And they're going to do whatever it takes to win, including destroying the entire system itself.
And they're actually...
Making the most outrageous suggestions now.
Let's go to clip number five here.
It's MSNBC's Nicole Wallace making a suggestion.
How do we save America from Republicans?
I mean, if Republicans run for office and then win, America is over and democracy is defeated because people voted the way that we didn't want them to.
So, I mean, what do we do about this?
Nicole Wallace has some ideas.
Let's listen, shall we?
nicolle wallace
The reason I started by asking if we'd ever been here before is because I think as a country we all have to participate in it.
Because if you have kids, your kids wake up if you have anything to do with an election, if you're an election worker or news anchor and they want to know what happened.
And I think we have to have a conversation as a country About how we might not know the next morning what happened.
We might not know the day after that.
And that is their point.
That is their point. They're not all running to win.
Some of them will, unfortunately.
They are running to sow discord in America.
And it will change everything.
We will wake up the morning after Election Day.
We might not even call it that anymore in two years.
We might not call it Election Day.
We might call it Election Week.
Because what we are watching, and because it's so slow, It's so slow.
We don't cover it as a five alarm fire, but it is.
We are watching Republicans not just destroying democracy in the dark, breaking into election officers and plugging stuff in, but watching them do it from rally stages, debate stages.
That's where they're doing it.
And I guess... The reason I ask you if we've been here before is do you think it requires, you know, a democracy commission?
Should President Obama ask Chris Christie and Ben Ginsberg to sort of man a democracy hotline the way, you know, people used to man other crises?
I mean, what should we do?
unidentified
Well, it doesn't take a commission.
It just takes Republicans that have some character and integrity standing up Uh, what?
harrison smith
What was it? What was she even talking about?
Just, if I'm following her thought process here, it's, we don't, we can't count votes overnight anymore.
For some reason, right?
We used to always be able to.
We used to be able to go to bed on election day knowing who won.
It used to be over You know, before midnight.
Used to be, but not anymore.
Not anymore. Why? Because of the mail-in ballots, because of the fraud, because of the same-day registration, because of the purposeful convolution of our very simple election system as it used to be.
You go to an election polling place.
You cast your vote.
You go home. Those get tallied.
They send their numbers to a central database.
That database reports it to the media.
It's over. Like, it used to be so simple.
Now it's you wait until the mail-in ballots come in, and then you have to double-check them, and then you have to...
So they add a bunch of stuff, completely destroy the ability of us to just have a simple, free and fair election.
And... But then her argument is...
She's like, I don't get it.
She's like, we aren't going to know the day after the election anymore who won.
It might be election week.
She says, and that's the Republicans' points, quote, they're running to sow discord in America.
It's like... Just what is she talking about?
Honestly, what is the through line here?
What is the logic chain that she's following?
Or is she literally just saying things?
I don't understand it.
So, somehow she's trying to insinuate that Republicans are a danger to democracy because we don't like the fact that the Democrats have so destroyed the electoral system that we can't just have normal elections anymore and everything is easily falsified and manipulated.
So she's just like, do we need maybe like a commission?
Like maybe we need to like appoint Obama as like the overseer of elections so he can like control who gets to...
Maybe we don't even have elections anymore.
I mean, I'm just spitballing. Like, what do we do?
Like, do we make Obama emperor?
I mean, is that what we have to do?
I mean, I think that'll help, but is that what we do here?
I don't know. Do we just take total control and kill them?
I mean, I'm just asking questions.
Welcome back, folks. We're going to move on to our COVID section of the show today.
Pretty incredible revelations being made about COVID. The genocide that has been and continues to take place is becoming too big to ignore at this point.
And at least some states are Actually putting into place reasonable science-based restrictions on the vaccine now that we're actually allowed to talk about, according to the mainstream media, the horrific, devastating vaccine side effects.
Florida will now require all patients to be informed of cardiac complications before they receive a COVID, mRNA, DNA-altering vaccine jab.
Plus, kids and men under 40 told that the state recommends against the shots based on adverse reaction data since its launch.
And this comes with a press release from the Florida Surgeon General.
We also have these stories at Infowars.
FDA withholds autopsy results of those who died after COVID shots.
The U.S. FDA has refused the Freedom of Information Act request to release the autopsy results of people whose death were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, VAERS. After receiving the COVID-19 shot, the FOIA request was submitted by the Epoch Times newspaper.
And they said, no, no, I don't think we will.
I don't think we will comply with that law.
Leaked EU-Pfizer agreement claims a cover-up of contaminants with up to 50% junk mRNA in vaccines.
Dr. Robert Malone received the leaked document from Italian activists, and the document is directly linked at Infowars.com.
Reports in the BMJ, the British Medical Journal, that 70 to 75 percent of the mRNA in the vaccine was intact.
This agreement only shows 50 percent of the mRNA was intact per specification.
so up to 50% of the mRNA in the shot can be truncated, modified, recombined junk.
Such randomly modified mRNA could lead to production of random proteins against which an immune response can be created.
The immune system attacking random proteins would result in a wide range of vaccine-induced diseases, including autoimmunity, allergies, cancer, etc., thus requiring nine pages to describe the adverse events of special interest.
Of course, this would go a long way in explaining the actual functionality of the damage to the immune system that the vaccine has been shown to cause.
unidentified
Thank you.
harrison smith
We have a major headline here from Vigilant Fox, but before we go to that, I want to go to this report from a European news outlet reporting on a COVID hearing where a Pfizer director with the EU admitted that the vaccine was never tested before.
On whether or not it prevented transmission before being rolled out, we now know of course and knew very early on that it never stopped transmission despite the endless lies making that exact claim from the mainstream media and our politicians.
Let's go now to clip number seven.
rob roos
If you don't get vaccinated, you're anti-social.
This is what the Dutch Prime Minister and Health Minister told us.
You don't get vaccinated just for yourself, but also for others.
You do it for all of society.
That's what I said. Today, this turned out to be complete nonsense.
In a COVID hearing in the European Parliament, one of the Pfizer directors just admitted to me, at the time of introduction, the vaccine had never been tested on stopping the transmission of the virus.
This removes the entire legal basis for the COVID passport.
The COVID passport that led to massive institutional discrimination as people lost access to essential parts of society.
I find this to be shocking, even criminal.
Please watch the video until the end.
unidentified
But to you, Ms. Small, I have a question.
harrison smith
I would like to receive a clear response.
I'll speak in English so there's no misunderstandings.
rob roos
Was the Pfizer COVID vaccine tested on stopping the transmission of the virus before it entered the market?
If not, please say it clearly.
If yes, are you willing to share the data with this committee?
And I really want a straight answer, yes or no, and I'm looking forward to it.
unidentified
Thank you very much. Regarding the question around, did we know about stopping humanisation before it's entered the market?
No! We had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the market.
rob roos
This is scandalous.
Millions of people worldwide felt forced to get vaccinated because of the myth That you do it for others.
Now this turned out to be a cheap lie.
This should be exposed.
Please share this video.
harrison smith
Absolutely incredible.
And it's almost like, well, no, it's not almost like.
The fact is that these spokespeople are trained on these statements like they're ad slogans, right?
We had to move at the speed of science.
What the hell does that mean? Are you a Nissan Leaf?
What is this? Nissan.
Moving at the speed of science.
It's a motto.
It's a slogan. It means nothing.
It means absolutely nothing. We had to move at the speed of science.
She says that as if that explains why they released and imposed an experimental inoculation on billions of people around the world without doing the requisite and necessary testing.
Well, they had to move at the speed of science.
I guess we're all, you know, it's just okay.
So what? What does that even mean?
It means nothing. It means absolutely nothing.
It means they have...
matt infowars
The other thing that, you know, the reason why that's kind of a gotcha question, I think, is I don't think they can ethically test that.
I think the Geneva Convention, or there's some type of...
That's like an ethical violation.
I remember covering that with David Knight.
David used the example of one day sooner or not another day.
There was a huge push to get kids vaccinated, to have kids volunteer.
In that video, David talked about all the ethical violations around testing this vaccine at warp speed.
He talked about it practically every show.
Right. Yeah, you can't just give someone the vaccine and see if they get COVID. Even if they have COVID, they develop it naturally.
You can't try to induce COVID in another person after they've been vaccinated.
harrison smith
No, but you can do the test.
I mean, they didn't do animal testing or human testing.
And I think if you, I mean, I don't understand.
So what about the question?
matt infowars
Was it gotcha? Well, I mean, there's just no way.
You know, he knew going in that they would have basically said no.
Because you can't test for that.
And it was a lie to say that it was effective at stopping the spread of the virus.
That whole campaign, you're doing it for another person, that's just an appeal to your emotions.
harrison smith
Right? Right, but it also, I mean, you can test to see if it stops transmission, and you can do that in the animal testing, or you can do it with volunteer test subjects in human beings.
matt infowars
You can't do it with volunteers and humans.
That's where the ethical violation comes in.
And again, even if they do it in lab tests, they can't make that claim.
That it prevents transmission.
They can make a claim that it prevents transmission in lab tests with animals, but not in human beings.
Yeah, I mean, we're getting to a point where they're actually admitting it, which is good.
That's great that we're now figuring out a lot of people who, if you spread this video, if you guys are watching, share this video from Bandai Video to people, it's really going to help break through.
And you can explain to them, hey, you can't do this.
This whole thing was a lie.
harrison smith
Right. So I still understand how it was a gotcha question.
I mean, the fact is they never tested for transmission, but they told us that it stopped transmission.
matt infowars
Yeah, they couldn't test for it.
harrison smith
Yeah. But I don't understand how they couldn't test for it.
matt infowars
Yeah, never mind. Don't worry about it.
harrison smith
Okay. It seems like they could test to see if it prevents transmission fairly easily.
I mean, obviously, they know now that it doesn't stop transmission, so they had to test for that, right?
But we're going to show you a video on the other side of, well, what claims to be 20 million dead due to COVID vaccination with 2 billion injured.
Vigilant Fox on Substack peeling back layers of deception and obfuscation, revealing the shocking truth about the genocide, the literal crimes against humanity being perpetrated.
Worldwide by these vaccines.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
Worldwide by these vaccines.
harrison smith
Welcome back, folks. In the next hour, we're going to be playing an interview with Stuart Rhodes from behind bars.
We take care of some business, and then we'll be back in the third hour with Devin Tracy, a.k.a.
Atheism is Unstoppable.
Former YouTuber now, I believe it's Censored.tv.
We'll be talking to him. We're going to continue talking about the...
Well, I mean...
Genocide. I mean, the crimes against humanity, the global murder spree as a part of this vaccination program.
From vigilantfox.substack.com, the story says, 20 million dead from the jab, 2.2 billion injured, analyst estimates.
One of the big pieces of news to come out recently is this Substack piece from Peter Halligan.
Which then turned into an article by the expose.
Experts estimate 20 million are already dead due to COVID vaccination over 2 billion injured.
It says peeling back the layers of deception and obfuscation reveals a shocking truth that may not be all that shocking to our informed readers.
The COVID-19 quote vaccines are injuring and killing far more people than the government is letting on.
Estimates compiled from pieced-together data suggest there may be as many as 20 million people worldwide that have died so far from the shots, while another 2.2 billion have suffered injuries, and we're only just getting started.
Peter Halligan, this is, is the most experienced analyst in the financial industry and is very skilled at looking at translating statistics into a summary statement.
Now the number 20 million dead sounds absolutely ridiculous at first glance, but when you dig into data, it makes sense.
Here's how Peter came to that 20 million number.
An article in The Lancet claims that 20 million lives were saved with the use of injections.
Note, the injections are not vaccines.
They are gene therapies, that is, therapeutics like ivermectin that should have been regulated as therapeutics.
The manufacturers state this in their regulatory submissions and SEC filings.
So the EU plus U.S. deaths, that is the EU DRA plus the VAERS system here in America, is...
A little under 14,000 to a little under 47,000.
Add those together and you get just over 60,000 deaths in the EU plus U.S. injuries equals 854,000 plus 6,089,000 equals nearly 7 million deaths.
Multiple per person, half of which were serious.
Multiply by 40 for URF, under reporting factor, and then multiply by 8 to globalize the total number.
Global deaths are around 19.5 million so far, and global injuries are around 2.2 billion.
Those injuries are likely to develop into conditions and then morbidities.
Who do you believe? I want to go to a video that accompanied this post.
I believe this is Dr.
Roger Hodkins, esteemed Canadian pathologist.
Let's talk about these horrifying numbers or hear them talk about it.
We go now to video number eight.
roger hodkinson
One of the big pieces of news over the last couple of days has been a substack by a gentleman called Peter Halligan.
Peter Halligan.
He's a most experienced analyst in the financial industry, extremely used to looking at statistics and translating them into a summary statement.
And this is the summary statement, and I hope your leaders are sitting down Holding themselves because what I'm going to tell you intuitively sounds ridiculous.
That's why it's so incredibly important that I say this.
These numbers are best estimates at this point in time using government data for the global We've been focusing for good reason on North American statistics during the last two and a half years.
But this man has extrapolated that into the total effect, negative effect, of the clock shot.
And these are the numbers.
Deaths, global deaths, directly attributable to the vaccine, 20 million, 2-0 million deaths.
unidentified
Due to the clot shot.
roger hodkinson
And two billion, big B, two billion serious adverse reactions of the type I described.
Now these numbers are beyond staggering.
To contrast that with history, Vaccines have typically been pulled from the market when the last one, the bird flu vaccine, was pulled with only 35, 3-5 deaths.
I hope people can appreciate the scale of what is going on here.
An unimaginable carnage, which isn't over, because that number, first of all, is the current estimate.
It does not include future deaths of a similar type, which will be cumulative on top of that.
It does not include stillbirths.
It does not include those avoidable deaths due to having had a one disease healthcare system for two and a half years with people not being treated or investigated for cancer or treated for cancer, for example.
Those numbers are not included.
The numbers from the lockdowns, the suicides, are not included.
And also not included are the future deaths that we're anticipating from a rapid increase in the rate of cancer presentations and fatal infections because of immune suppression induced by the clot shot.
Those factors are in addition to those jaw-dropping numbers that I just mentioned.
harrison smith
Pretty incredible.
They're redvoicemedia.com slash vigilantfox, or you can find the article at vigilantfox.substack.com.
He says, it's truly horrifying to think about, and there's no doubt this is a war on humanity.
Those responsible and complicit in this crime against humanity need to be held accountable.
Luckily, we have people like Attorney Thomas Renz, Dr.
Henry Ely, Dr.
David Martin, and others working hard to make that happen.
And, of course, Thomas Renz was on the Alex Jones Show yesterday, I believe, to announce his massive suit against the pharmaceutical companies.
For just this exact thing.
So again, it's an analyst, it's an estimate, but it's using the numbers that we know to be reported and extrapolating from that what we can assume to be the total number, including those that are unreported.
And again, as he points out, other vaccines have been withdrawn from the market after just 35 deaths.
So even if you were just going for the reported known to be true Not controversial, not extrapolating anything, but just the bare-bow numbers of the VAERS reporting system were like a thousand times past when a normal vaccine would have been withdrawn.
And again, more and more of this information is coming out on a regular basis.
There you go to Bandai Video and see the interview with Thomas Wren's billion-dollar lawsuit filed against EcoHealth Alliance, who just got another couple million dollars from the federal government to continue to do coronavirus research in exactly the same vein that they were involved in before prior to the outbreak of the coronavirus.
So it's genocide.
It's a full-on crime against humanity.
All we need now are people to wake up from this.
And to punish these people, all we need now is for the people that have been fooled for so long, shake their heads, wake up from their stupor, and actually take action against people who have literally murdered tens of millions in the name of moving at the speed of science.
Oh, by the way, the crew found, if you search moving at the speed of science, what do you find?
A bunch of paid Pfizer material.
Apparently, moving at the speed of science is literally Pfizer's slogan.
It's from Bloomberg, but it's a sponsored post by Pfizer.
There's also a Facebook video from Pfizer.
Pfizer posts on their Facebook, moving at the speed of science.
So there you go. What does moving at the speed of science mean?
It means you don't test your...
matt infowars
So in her response, she low-key plugged Pfizer...
harrison smith
She literally gave the Pfizer slogan.
Yeah, it's like, what's another good slogan?
It's like, is there a reason there's poison in the Coke cans?
And they're like, hey, enjoy Coke.
It's like, no, you can't just say the slogan of the business and expect that to be good all of a sudden.
Why did Pfizer poison 10 million people?
Well, sir, they're moving at the speed of science.
unidentified
Okay, if you say so.
harrison smith
It's genocide, folks, and they need to be held accountable.
Crimes against humanity. And, of course, we've been reporting on it the entire time.
We've been telling you the entire time.
We hopefully, with our explanation and expose of this corrupt system, tens of millions have been saved by not falling for the trap laid by these unparalleled murderers of man.
unidentified
We'll be right back. New vaccine with a new approach.
For most Americans, that means one COVID-19 shot once a year each fall.
If it sounds familiar, it's because it is.
The White House has been comparing it to the annual flu shot.
Now, more than 200 million people are eligible to get a booster from Pfizer and Moderna.
But questions remain over how many actually will get it.
alex jones
They intended to never stop the lockdowns in Australia, Canada, Europe, you name it.
unidentified
The country's zero-COVID strategy came at a cost.
Melbourne, capital of Victoria State, had six lockdowns.
Only those who've received the jab are allowed to visit restaurants, gyms and most stores.
People's freedoms have been taken away.
harrison smith
Some people have willingly thrown it away.
Very restrictive on movement and everything.
unidentified
It's pretty much like an open-air prison here in Australia.
alex jones
But I said in December, like a metaphysically, intellectually, economically, culturally...
See ya. I said, we've won this round of the fight, but barely.
We're bloodied, but we're awake now, and we got a chance.
This is not some accidental thing.
These aren't just companies that mean well, that screwed up and all this garbage.
These are individuals that are using this to take over the planet.
dr vladimir zelenko
I see already that it's checkmate.
The only question that's still a variable is how much carnage and what will be the body count of the innocent until we get to that point.
alex jones
The numbers mirror Israel, they mirror Europe, they mirror Areas of Asia that keep the statistics and show it.
unidentified
Taiwan, the number of people dying after their COVID vaccination is exceeding the number of deaths from the virus itself.
alex jones
And if you look, the peak of taking the poison shots was in December of 2021.
Since then, there is a 99% rejection.
unidentified
99. By late May, there will be enough vaccine for every American who wants one.
jd vance
The problem is, millions don't.
unidentified
I'm not getting the vaccine because I'm honestly not scared of the virus.
I don't trust the vaccine, um, at all.
Polls suggest a large number of Americans will refuse a vaccine.
Most of them are Republicans, supporters of former President Donald Trump.
How some groups would not want to do it for reasons That I just don't understand.
Even if it doesn't prevent you from getting COVID, I'm double boosted.
I got it myself here just the last week or so.
harrison smith
It makes the symptoms a lot less severe.
It gets you back on duty.
unidentified
A survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found 29% of the healthcare workers question likely would not get the vaccine.
Why did you decide to put your livelihood on the line?
alex jones
So they've gone from having a helpless population that believed every word they were saying And massive uptake of this garbage that erases your immune system and doesn't protect you.
But now the CDC is saying, oh, we made big mistakes.
It doesn't protect you. We lied to you, but it was for your own good.
unidentified
We made some pretty public mistakes, and we need to own them.
The CDC says the review found the agency's COVID guidance was confusing and overwhelming.
alex jones
We have a CDC document from 2000 and others where they said it isn't going to work.
And it's going to cause massive heart attacks, heart swelling, blood clots, infertility, strokes.
The list goes on and on.
naomi wolf
I'm one of the few people, along with my 3500 experts, who have looked at the Pfizer documents.
And I can tell you, they knew from a month after the roll-up that they did not work.
So the reason I say mass murder with such calmness is that if, and not only that, the FDA knew, because at the bottom of these documents it says FDA confidential.
The FDA has custody of these 50,000 documents that Pfizer was forced to reveal.
So they knew that they didn't work.
They knew three months in that 1,200 people were dead, four of them the day they were injected, and they kept going.
They knew in April of last year that children's hearts were being damaged a week after the injection, and they kept going.
alex jones
99 plus percent reduction in people taking it.
Now, what happens when 99% say no?
All the intimidation, all the threats that people been under in healthcare and government and the military being tortured with this and seeing their friends and family get sick and die, they say, you know what?
Screw you. Everybody's on my side.
And you have that tipping point.
That turning point.
This is spectacularly positive news.
And this information from this show needs to be clipped out and needs to be spread to the four winds.
Because this is victory.
unidentified
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome back.
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We are connecting with Stuart Rhodes.
Of course, it's always a little bit of a bumpy road to get him on because we, well, we can't call him.
And his time is not his own as he is currently a political prisoner behind bars, kept in solitary confinement, and he's now on trial now.
For sedition and conspiracy.
Story from Yahoo News.
Oath Keepers' January 6th trial set to resume.
Far-right Oath Keepers founder Stuart Rhodes and several other group members are charged with seditious conspiracy in relation to the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol.
The high-profile trial, it says trail here, but that's all right.
It's just Yahoo News.
Resumes this week as the defendants face decades in prison if convicted.
New York Times has a story.
Oath Keepers leader urged Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.
The letter was shown to the jury at the seditious conspiracy trial of Stuart Rhodes in force and ordinance.
It showed the intensity of their efforts to stop the transfer of presidential power.
That's right. The jury was shown an open letter that Stuart Rhodes wrote to everybody and published on the internet for everybody to read.
But they're treating this as if this is a secret scheme behind the scenes when everything they've covered so far, Stuart Rose was completely open about because, this might be hard for people to understand, it was totally illegal.
Totally legal what he was doing.
If it was illegal, they probably wouldn't have waited a year and a half to arrest him.
In December of 2020, hours after the Electoral College cast its votes for Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., Stuart Rhodes, leader of the Oath Keepers militia, posted a letter on his website urging President Donald J. Trump to undertake a series of unprecedented and possibly illegal moves to stay in office.
Telling Trump that the country was at war with Communist China and a secret army of willing American agents...
Mr. Rhodes beseeched the president to invoke the Insurrection Act, a more than two centuries-old law that he believed would give Mr.
Trump the power to call up the National Guard and militias like his own to suppress the coup that was seeking to unseat him.
And then Trump didn't, and then he was unseated.
That's how it worked. So we now have Mr.
Rhodes on the line calling in from the political prison, the Gulag in Washington, D.C. Stuart Rhodes is the founder of the Oath Keepers, a nonpartisan association of current and formerly serving military police and first responders who pledged to fulfill the oath all military and police take to, quote, defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
The website is, of course, Oath Keepers.com.
Thank you so much for calling in, Stuart.
stewart rhodes
Good morning, Harrison. How are you doing?
harrison smith
Good morning. I'm doing well.
Your next week of the trial is about to begin.
Last week was the first week of your trial.
How did it go? Just tell people, give people the update as to where the case is now.
stewart rhodes
Well, right now it's the government's presentation of their case, and they've been parading FBI witnesses for the most part, and a couple others, but mostly FBI agents.
What's really, what I want to make sure is clear to the public, Is that your right to free speech, you think your constitutional protective free speech rights in the First Amendment are not really a shield.
Because what they're doing with us is they're criminalizing free speech.
They're parading in front of the jury all of my text messages, anything that I said about the election, anything I said about the Insurrection Act, anything I said about how we're heading for a civil war in this country.
And if Trump does not do what he can now as commander-in-chief to expose the corruption in our government, then we the people will have to fight for our liberty.
All that protected free speech.
There's a case called Brandenburg v.
Ohio that lays out a standard that so long as you're not inciting imminent unlawful violence that's likely to actually occur, That your speech is protected.
It was a case of a KKK rally, a very strident KKK speaker, but the court sided with free speech, even for the KKK, and said, hey, as long as you're not citing actual imminent violence, it's protected speech.
Well, that standard is now being circumvented, but all they have to do now is allege a conspiracy, a non-existent conspiracy, and then trot out your statements, your otherwise protected free speech statements, as evidence of your quote-unquote state of mind.
In support of the conspiracy charge.
That's what they're doing to me. So even when we raise First Amendment issues with the judge, he says, well, he's not being on trial for his speech, but he's being on trial for a conspiracy.
And the speech goes to his state of mind.
That's the Alice in Wonderland circumvention of the First Amendment.
harrison smith
So, I mean, am I wrong?
Like, when I think of conspiracy, when I think of something like this, like, it reminds me of if somebody is charged for murder for hire, right?
If they go out and tell somebody, I want you to kill this person, and then that person goes out and do it.
You arrest the person because they use the words to bring about the violence, right?
But this is like...
Somebody gets killed or somebody gets murdered, and they say, well, you have text messages saying you didn't like the guy, so therefore that's your state of mind.
You wanted him dead, and so now you're a part of this conspiracy.
stewart rhodes
Well, even worse than that, there's no dead person.
unidentified
There's no body. Also, yes, also very true.
stewart rhodes
So they're creating a conspiracy to do something that didn't happen.
Of course, it's a lot to unpack, but one part of it is they're so...
Anti-Trump, you know, orange man bad, that anybody who's encouraging Trump to do anything is labeled a criminal and insurrectionist and a seditionist.
And that's what we're seeing with Eastman and others who are trying to advise the president on what he could and could not do, right?
Giving him political advice.
So they're criminalizing not just my free speech, but also just legal and political advice and advocacy.
And it's being done across the spectrum.
It's no accident. But you'll see that coming up, I'm sure, in prosecutions about the, you know, the quote-unquote fake electorate slates and attempts to get the states to go back and decertify their electorate, which is what I was advocating also, by the way. The states had one last chance to fix this by decertifying their electorate.
Unconstitutional and illegal electroslates that didn't follow Article II because the state laws were politically violated by executive initial fiat, all the things I've talked about before on your show.
But there were people who were advocating for the same thing.
But this is Alice in Wonderland about this, and so Orwellian, is that they did violate the Constitution grossly.
And across the country, you know, the fruit of the poisonous tree, once you've violated the Constitution, whatever else you're doing doesn't make a difference.
And you can't certify it in a constitutional election.
That's the point a lot that we're making.
That was the point of that Supreme Court case that the court ducked, the one from Texas to Pennsylvania under the court's original jurisdiction, was about that issue.
It's like, hey, this is not constitutional.
But because the court ducked it and didn't do what it did in 2000 and Bush v.
Gore did not address the case, the court threw us into this constitutional crisis.
So you have people running around, well, what do we do now?
And so the short-term remedy would have been for the states to decertify.
But even that advocacy of what the states could, by constitutional power, do, even that advocacy is seen as criminal and will be criminalized and prosecuted.
harrison smith
Watch. It's going to happen. It's completely insane.
I mean, you keep using, you know, words like Alice in Wonderland and it really is like Alice in Wonderland or The Matrix or some, I mean, I can just imagine how you're feeling now being at the center of this, this maelstrom of just fantasy world that has no relation to the real world at all or reality itself.
We have the story and we'll cover it more on the other side.
Delaware Supreme Court this weekend found vote-by-mail and same-day registration unconstitutional.
So there you go. More evidence to exactly what Stuart Rhodes is saying.
More Stuart Rhodes on the other side.
Don't go anywhere, folks. It's the First Amendment.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
I have on the line with me Stuart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers and political prisoner of the current illegitimate regime.
Now, we mentioned this before going to break, but Delaware Online has the story.
The Delaware Supreme Court on Friday struck down recent vote-by-mail and same-day voter registration legislation, overturning a signature achievement by Governor John Carney and Democrat lawmakers.
The court's decision comes a month ahead of the November 8th general election, and while the Department of Elections was preparing to send ballots to voters on October 10th.
The ruling means this will not happen, and Delaware will return to its more limited pre-pandemic voting setup, where one must vote in person and have an excuse to vote absentee, and one must register weeks in advance.
So I know we don't have unlimited time with you, Mr. Rhodes.
Rhodes, and I know you aren't even in control of your own time, so...
I want to focus on what's important here, but this is really the basis to our opposition to the election.
I imagine your opposition to the election results of 2020.
A lot of it was predicated on mail-in ballots and completely arbitrarily changing the entire electoral system totally illegally, unconstitutionally, in what amounted to a national coup against President Trump.
I mean... Like, are you able to argue this in court?
Are you able to even make the case that what you were doing?
stewart rhodes
Well, we'll see. I don't want to go too much into my trial strategy.
I haven't had a chance to testify yet.
So, you know, let's wait and see what I do on the stand.
So, you know, but yes, that was my, from the start, that was my objection, was not just that we know there was fraud.
You know, like our general counsel, Kelly Sorrell, saw evidence of fraud that With lawyers for Trump in Detroit.
It's not just that.
It's the bedrock principle that you must follow the Constitution.
Article 2 is very clear that the electors will be selected in the manner established by the state legislature for the Electoral College.
That is constitutional text.
It's plain. It doesn't say anything about the executive branch of any state or the judicial branch.
It leaves no room or roll for any other branch other than the legislature.
And so what happened across the country is I think at least half the states you had You had the normal rules, the normal laws, directly violated by executive branch, election officials, or through judicial fiat.
I think it was the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania was one case.
They just rewrote the rules to fit their idea of what should be the new laws for COVID. And that's what made it unconstitutional.
And that's what Texas was suing Pennsylvania about and joined by, I think, about 23 other states.
And that was the case that was going before the Supreme Court under its original jurisdiction to be tried by the Supreme Court, because whenever two states sue each other, it's the Supreme Court that is the trial court, nobody else.
So the Supreme Court had no discretion to duck it, as Alito and Thomas pointed out, but the rest of the justices, led by Roberts, went ahead and just got their own responsibility to hear the case and settle it.
And like I said, unlike a 2000 with Bush v.
Gore, they just skated over their own responsibility and left it hanging out there.
And that's why you have this constitutional crisis.
And now you see, like this case out of Delaware, you're seeing that now you're starting to see cleanup after the fact of, yes, that actually was unconstitutional.
Yes, that actually was unlawful.
And now we're going to try to fix it for the midterms.
That's what I can do now.
But yes, that's why I told people that the speech I gave – I gave a recording to be played for the J6 rally two weeks ago.
I said, look, you need to understand and always hold to this.
You had a legitimate grievance on January the 6th.
You had a legitimate reason to be protesting because you did have an unconstitutional election that really was a coup.
harrison smith
It absolutely was. And even beyond the election, you had General Mark Milley and Nancy Pelosi conspiring to deprive Donald Trump of his authority as the president, basically saying, well, we've decided he doesn't deserve it.
I mean, that is by definition a coup.
So, again, it's amazing.
They did perform a coup.
They did, and it's been successful thus far.
I mean, we're two years into their coup regime, their junta that we're operating under.
But people like yourself are accused of trying to perform a coup by actually trying to follow the Constitution.
And again, the evidence they're using for this is what?
Your text messages saying we have to fight, we have to fight back, we have enemies in Washington, D.C.
I mean, I say that stuff every day on air under the assumption that I have protection under the First Amendment.
That's not so much the case anymore.
stewart rhodes
but that's my point that's what i want to warn people about is that I knew where the lines of Brandenburg were.
I'm a Yale Law graduate. We studied that case when I was in law school.
I know that you can talk about, like I have many, many times, and hey, the way we're going, the trajectory we are on, It's either 1984-style Orwellian dictatorship, or we'll have to fight.
There are things you can do in between there, try to fix things politically if you can.
When Trump was in, we tried to get him to do things like the mass declassification and data dump.
I thought that was the most peaceful way To take down the deep state was to expose all of the corruption.
That's how they control people, right?
That's how they control people and also how they shelter them is all of the dirt is hidden from the public unless the person misbehaves.
Then they get exposed. That's how they're controlled.
I mean, J. Edgar Hoover did that.
That's why he was in office for life in the FBI. No one dared to cross him because he had files on everyone.
Well, now our modern electronic surveillance system, it's even more powerful.
They can just take down anybody they want.
So I wanted Trump to go ahead and use his absolute power to declassify documents to go in and seize the data held by the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc., and expose all the corruption in both major parties.
I thought that was the easiest and simplest The cleanest and least violent way to expose and take down the deep state.
I think I was right. That's probably why I'm sitting where I'm sitting.
harrison smith
No, I mean, it always amazes me that you're still able to laugh at all this because they have done everything they can to destroy your life.
I mean, you're literally sitting in...
I mean, it's just terrific what they've done to you, and it's always inspiring your attitude about it, just knowing that you've done the right thing.
It goes to show that really, it's like they say, if you never lie, you never have to remember anything, right?
It's like if you never... We're good to go.
We're going to continue to talk to Stuart on the other side.
We're going to go to break here in just a second, but Stuart, how can people support you?
Where do you want to send them?
How can people follow what's going on in the trial and support you in your attempt to save your life?
stewart rhodes
They can go to patriotslegaldefense.org, and that's their website.
That's a fundraiser for all J6 defendants.
There are updates every now and again on there.
I'm here at the Alexandria, Virginia jail is where I'm at.
I do get letters of support.
Those are always cool.
Every now and again, people will write me.
That's always welcome. So they can write me here at the jail if they want to.
harrison smith
Okay, and they just have to put Stuart Rhodes and find the address for the jail and send off a letter that way?
stewart rhodes
Yeah, I can give it to you after the next break if you want.
harrison smith
I'll give you the address. Okay, and then that website one more time is Patriots Legal Defense.
unidentified
Say it again. Yes, Patriots Legal Defense.
harrison smith
Patriotslegaldefense.org. Right.
stewart rhodes
And the Prisoner's Record on Telegram, run by Wong Kwan, is an awesome support network.
The folks are going to have to look that up on Telegram.
It's a prisoner's record.
And Wong Kwan is an awesome guy.
He's a really good friend and a big supporter.
And he fled from communist Vietnam.
When the South fell, him and his family fled.
They were both people. That's his heritage.
He knows exactly where this is going.
And he's a very straightened defender of freedom.
harrison smith
Okay, fantastic. I wanted to let people know where they support you.
First, we'll be back to talk more about Stuart Rhodes and see what's coming up with his trial this week as it continues.
Stay tuned. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
We have on the line with us Stuart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers, who is currently in trial for seditious conspiracy.
The evidence they're using are, well, letters that he posted publicly online for everybody to read that laid out the legal path that Trump could use to actually expose the deep state and ensure fair elections moving forward.
It's just incredible.
Tell us, Stuart, since this isn't your Alex Jones-style trial where there's cameras in the room live-streaming everything, what has the last week of trial been like, and what do you expect in this next week as you go back into trial tomorrow?
There's a break, obviously, today because of Columbus Day, but how's the trial been last week, and what do you expect this week?
stewart rhodes
More of the same. They're going to keep on misquoting.
What they do is they'll take a snippet.
They had an FBI agent get up there and they'll show a text message that I sent to one person in one month, say in November of 2020.
Then below that will be a text message to somebody else in December.
And below that will be something I said, you know, late December.
They just take little tiny snippets out of conversations that have no relation to each other, and they just parade them in front of the jury of, here he is, you know, using the term Civil War, and here he is talking about, you know, they won't respect us until we bring rifles to Washington, D.C. I was talking about Congress.
All of that is heated rhetoric, that's heated political rhetoric, that I've been doing for years.
Go back and look at any of my speeches, any of my interviews with Alex, you know, I use strident language because I'm very passionate about what I believe in.
I've got strong beliefs and I'm very passionate about them.
But I don't cross the line from protected free speech into unprotected incitement of imminent violence.
But the jury is not told that.
They've been given no instruction on the First Amendment.
All they hear is this FBI agent very solemnly, here's Mr.
Rhodes saying this. That's a statement from Mr.
Rhodes. Yes, in fact, it was posted by him.
So they laid all this out, and in the jury's head, I'm sure, it's like, oh my gosh, there's all these horrible things he's saying.
He's definitely guilty.
That's what they're doing.
So my caution to people out there is you should not self-censor, should not shut up.
You should keep on talking.
And speaking truth to power and doing what you can to save this country.
But once you've spoken in a text message to somebody, whether it's a friend, family, in a chat with other people, once it's gone beyond its usefulness, delete it.
Or set your phone if you're on Signal, which I recommend you use almost entirely.
Center for disappearing messages after a certain point.
But once you've conveyed the information you want to convey to another person, why leave it out there for the Gestapo, I mean the FBI, why leave it out there for them to come back in later on and use to parade out of context in front of a jury?
harrison smith
So delete it. Yeah, and again, I mean, we are sort of in this damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing where it's like they're trying to use your speech against you.
So they're trying to destroy your ability to have protection under the First Amendment.
And it's like, so does that mean that we should all be careful and not say the things that we're thinking because they might be used against us?
Or do we... I mean, you know, I get up here and I speak my mind and I say stuff and use strident languages, as you said, and...
You know, I do it under the understanding that I have a First Amendment and I'm allowed to say things that do not cross the line, as you're pointing out.
And I mean, that's going away.
So how do we preserve that, Stuart?
Like, how do we keep this up when we see what's happening to you and we realize it starts with you, but they're not going to be satisfied once they get Stuart Rhodes' scalp and God forbid they even achieve that.
But no, this is the beginning.
They're setting a precedent with you that we're all going to fall under.
stewart rhodes
Right. And so, you know, the people that are most vulnerable are those like us, the Oath Keepers.
I've got, you know, four other co-defendants, and there's also a next batch coming of even more Oath Keepers.
So you had a kind of like a Reese's peanut butter cup, you know, and chocolate peanut butter mixed together.
So you had my, you know, strident political speech and a lot of the comments made by my co-defendants.
That's one thing.
And then you had Some of them did go in the Capitol.
On that day, they went in on their own volition, no plan, no direction from me, but they went in.
So those two facts combined together exposed us to this persecution.
That's the clearest, highest risk, is when you're out doing things In the street, in protesting, and people go and do stuff that you had not even planned to do that could expose you.
But a lower threshold would be on that would be anybody who was even in D.C. on January the 6th.
They're trying to criminalize them as well.
Or anybody who supported the rally, who gave financial aid to it.
Any of the organizers for the rally, they're starting to go after all of these people also.
The J6 Select Committee is issuing subpoenas to all the rally organizers.
So don't think to yourself, well, so long as someone in my group doesn't screw up and do something like blundering in the Capitol on J6, we'll be okay.
I would not say that's true.
Look what they're doing to Eastman, right?
They're going after people who are giving the president just simple legal advice.
They're criminalizing that also.
And so you're not going to save yourself by just sitting at home, let's put it that way.
So I think Americans should speak out.
I think we should follow social needs and advice, which is live not by lies.
First thing is don't repeat the lie.
You know, speak the truth.
And I think we need to speak the truth.
But just do so with a clear-eyed understanding that you are...
I think it's frankly a badge of honor, and you need to be willing to go to jail.
I think Americans need to lose their fear of being indicted or put in prison.
When you have a dictatorship, you're going to have dissidents.
And if you're going to have anybody standing up for freedom, some of you are going to go to jail.
And some of you are going to go to prison.
But just like Nelson Mandela was willing to go to jail for life.
He did 20 years.
You have to be willing to do that.
You have to be willing to take the hit if you're a person who's a freedom fighter and is standing up for rights.
Because if you don't, then what you become is a slave.
Become, like Solzhenitsyn said at the end of his essay, Live Not Thy Lives.
He said here, this is our path.
The easiest and most accessible one It's much easier, it's dangerous even to say this, than the sort of civil disobedience which Gandhi advocated.
So he's just saying, look, just don't repeat the lie.
That's his main point. Don't repeat the lie.
But if you don't do this, and if you sit down and shut up and repeat the lies, Then why should cattle have the gifts of freedom, their heritage from generation to generation is the bell, the yoke, and the lash?
So you either stand up now and be willing to take the hit, or just submit and be a slave.
That's your choice. So I think you just stand up and take the hit, but I think you should do it smart.
Just realize, like I said, everything you say can and will be used against you, and once you've communicated something, and it's no longer useful to you to have it just floating out there in the ether, delete it.
harrison smith
Right, and of course, you know, it's impossible to ignore the sheer coincidence of the fact that your trial is going on at the same time that the civil trial against Alex Jones is going on.
I mean, they are really coming after the First Amendment and We're good to go.
People need to stand up for Alex Jones.
They need to stand up for Stuart Rhodes.
You need to stop this now and not let it spiral out of control and not go, well, these guys, I mean, they maybe, they deserve it and we'll get the next act.
No, you stand up now for the rights of everybody or you lose them for everybody.
We only have about a minute left here, Stuart, but again, if they want to support Stuart and all of the January 6th prisoners, political prisoners in the gulag, the website is patriotslegaldefense.org.
That's patriotslegaldefense.org.
And you can find news about all this on Telegram.
Just search Prisoner's Record, and it's the first one that pops up.
And we'll be back on the other side with Stuart Rhodes.
And I don't know, how have you felt like the right-wingers and free speech advocates have been supporting you?
unidentified
Have they been doing a good job? Yeah.
stewart rhodes
With a few exceptions, no.
That's the problem. That's part of the manipulation.
harrison smith
I completely agree, and I want to touch on that on the other side, because I think it's despicable what people on our side have done to you, and we will all pay the price if we don't back to a road.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
This will be our last segment with Stuart Rhodes, founder of The Oath Keepers, currently on trial for seditious conspiracy with a number of other Oath Keepers, taking everything he's ever said out of context and trying to portray him as some sort of dangerous,
violent criminal when all they have for evidence of that is language that you hear on this show every day the stuff i say the stuff that any patriotic american who understands the constitution should be warning about
and of course one of the wrinkles in all of this is that many people on the right have abandoned stewart rhodes in this fight seemingly not realizing that if what they are able to do what to Stuart Rhodes, what they're trying to do.
That's just the first step.
And it's very likely that you are the second step, that I am the second step, that anybody they want to get their mitts on become a viable target as soon as they allow this precedent to be set.
I have been very outspoken about How irresponsible I think it was for people like Darren J. Beattie to write an article completely baselessly accusing Stuart Rhodes of being an FBI agent.
Now that Stuart Rhodes has been in prison for months in solitary confinement and is on trial for his life, maybe it would be time for a little mea culpa and another article maybe saying, oh, it actually looks like Stuart Rhodes is the real deal and he's being used to destroy the First Amendment outright.
What do you think about that, Stuart?
Do you think... Maybe it's time for the people that have abandoned you to realize their folly and actually start supporting the First Amendment again?
stewart rhodes
That'd be nice.
It'd be nice. I mean, here's the, this is what, this is what, what, um, kidderships do, though, is they get everyone pointing fingers at everybody else, calling them, you know, an informer.
They get everyone distrusting everybody else, and they love the circular firing spots.
That's why I do my best not to partake in that.
But yeah, it'd be great for people to say, look, this is the reality where we're at.
Whatever we might have thought, this is the reality.
Let's now come together and fight this and preserve the First Amendment.
You're right. It would be nice.
So I look forward to that day.
That'd be great. And I can look at this like this.
We're all sinners. We're all fallen.
No one's perfect. We all need to forgive each other, and everyone's open to redemption.
So we'll see if they redeem themselves.
We'll see. But what I don't like, above all, is right now, why are the major conservative talk show hosts out there not focused on this trial?
Why is Tucker Carlson not covering this?
This is far more destructive than a school board meeting, as vile as that is.
I think the FBI on parents or on a pro-life advocate was arrested last week, I think it was.
This is far more dangerous because this opens the door to persecution for free speech and suppression.
Because what will happen after this is that this will be used to help – to encourage people to sit down and shut up.
That if you open your mouth and then go out to Eastman next, you know, and it keeps on going down the line, and you wind up with a suppression campaign where people are afraid to speak out.
They're afraid to open their mouths at all.
And that's what the bad guys want.
Of course, what they really want is that you open your mouth and say, you know, 2 plus 2 equals 5.
That's what they really want. But on the way there, they want you to stop saying 2 plus 2 equals 4.
harrison smith
Yeah. No, you're exactly right.
And it is sort of baffling to me.
If you search Stuart Rhodes, you find articles from New York Times and Yahoo News and all of the mainstream sources.
Where are the conservative outlets reporting on this trial?
All we're getting are the lies from the mainstream media that, of course, have an agenda and are portraying it a certain way.
It is incumbent on us to give the other view.
So I guess that's my question.
What would you like to see the mainstream media report about your trial that you're not going to get from New York Times or Yahoo News?
What's we going to mind?
stewart rhodes
Oh, conservative media, you mean?
harrison smith
Yeah, what should the alternative media be saying about your trial?
stewart rhodes
They should publish my open letters.
unidentified
They could say, well, you know what?
stewart rhodes
He's actually got a point. Because in one of the open letters, I embedded the video.
Remember the video of the Chinese professor bragging about how Trump was a pain in the neck, and now Trump's gone?
He kind of winks at the audience, and he says, we have people in the inner circle of the highest levels of the U.S. government.
He bragged that they basically control the U.S. government.
Well, I embedded that in my open letter to Trump, or one of them.
harrison smith
It'd be great to play that and say, you know what?
stewart rhodes
He's got a good point.
Yeah, now it's evidence against him that I'm a conspiracy theorist, apparently.
harrison smith
That's so crazy. But what about the trial in particular?
Obviously, the New York Times is reporting on the evidence that the prosecution is presenting, and they're, of course, framing it as if it's absolutely true, and talking about your open letter and cherry-picking parts that can be taken out of context.
stewart rhodes
Well, there you go, right there.
Why is protected free speech, that's completely constitutional political speech, Why is that now evidence of a crime?
And what is the actual conspiracy?
Where's the evidence of the actual conspiracy?
There's no text or audio of me saying, here's the plan.
On J6, we're going to enter the Capitol.
That doesn't exist. So all they have are my otherwise constitutionally protected political speech.
That's the point. They should be saying, this is very dangerous territory.
I can imagine Tucker Carlson saying, what does this mean now?
So anything you say literally can be used against you, even if it's not criminal, but it's simply protected free speech they don't like?
That's the world we're heading into.
And they will just take a jury in D.C., Which is already hostile, you know, orange man bad.
And then they parade orange man bad supporter text messages advocating that the orange man bad do something that they don't like.
And that's going to be presented to the jury as evidence of a crime.
And then they'll be convicted.
And that's how the rinse repeat will be done across the country.
Anywhere the Democrats hold majority, they can convene a jury, a grand jury, to indict you.
Which, you know, a grand jury will indict on a ham sandwich.
They'll indict you for some made-up conspiracy.
And conspiracy is a charge that they'd love to use the most.
Because conspiracy allows them to allege something they don't really have direct evidence of.
And then there's user statements and your phone connections to other people to rope more and more people into the conspiracy.
And then they coerce confessions.
That's the other big one.
They've coerced three Oath Keepers so far to roll over and plead to a conscientious conspiracy, even though there was no conspiracy whatsoever.
They've agreed to plead to it because they're threatened with life in prison.
The government made a ridiculous argument that they can go ahead and sentence us to life in prison, analogous to a terrorism charge or to treason.
And so they sent these letters out to all the defendants threatening life in prison and sentencing.
And three of the guys got so scared by that they agreed to plead to this conspiracy.
And now they're going to parade them in front of the jury also and have them get up there and test a lie.
unidentified
That's what they're going to do. So that's the problem.
stewart rhodes
This is what's going to happen.
Just like in every other dictatorship, whether it's the Nazis or the Soviet Union or Cuba, you're going to be put on a show trial.
There's going to be people coerced into confessing crimes they did not commit.
They'll roll over and give names of other people.
They'll rope into this bigger, bigger conspiracy.
It keeps growing and growing and growing.
It never stops. It metastasizes.
Then you end up with the concentration camp system in Germany.
You know, the Reichstag fire led to the concentration camp system.
harrison smith
that's happening now at least they actually burned down the Reichstag this is the the capitol building fire and you didn't even do any damage to the building and of course you you didn't even go into the building I mean you're right the craziest thing is that they're charging people with trespassing essentially but saying we'll give you life in prison for it uh look at our Look at Kelly Sorrell, general counsel for Oath Keepers.
stewart rhodes
Her great crime, actually, is she filed a court warrant to a Supreme Court challenging legitimacy of Biden and Harris.
She did that over the summer last year, and I helped her write it.
That's another one of my crimes.
I helped her write this appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States challenging the legitimacy of an officeholder, which is part of the law.
Court warrant to is like an emergency appeal you can do to the Supreme Court.
She did one. So, you know, now she's in jail.
They've indicted her because they accused her of being part of this conspiracy.
Even though she did not enter the Capitol, she was only there to give us legal advice and to speak.
She was a speaker at the Latinos for Trump rally.
But she's been indicted, too.
harrison smith
She was going to be a witness on your behalf, and now that she's been arrested, they can't do that anymore.
very convenient there.
It's totally correct.
stewart rhodes
Well, I mean, it's more likely, she can still testify, but it's more likely that she'll pressure to plead the fifth.
That's the thing.
And of course, if she's a co-conspirator, they could also use that to hopefully knock out the advice of counsel defense.
We're going to rely on her advice of counsel as part of our defense.
Like they're saying that we don't destroy text messages.
Well, she had told everybody on our threads, "Hey, you're under no duty to preserve anything.
No one's been indicted yet.
You're under no duty to preserve evidence for the government or whatever they would call evidence.
Go ahead and delete your chats.
And so they're trying to say that that is evidence of all of us conspiring to delete evidence.
harrison smith
It's so sick what's being done to you.
We have about 45 seconds left, Stuart.
Just a final word. What do you want people to know?
Of course, they can go to patriotslegaldefense.org.
The last 30 seconds are yours, sir.
stewart rhodes
I mean, here's the thing. I'm never going to – if they find me guilty, which I expect, of this non-assisted conspiracy, which you're not going to see, you're not going to see me at sentencing, doing what other people have done, and saying, oh, I regret doing this, and I apologize.
I'm not going to apologize for something I did not do.
And I'm never going to express regret for standing up and speaking truth to power and doing what I can to save our country while I still can.
So I'm just not going to do that.
harrison smith
Nor should you. You have our prayers and our support, and we'll be keeping up with this show trial.
Thank you for calling in, Stuart. Thank you.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
The third hour of American Journal has begun, and we are coming to you once again live from Austin, Texas.
Thank you so much for being here with us.
I am very happy to welcome my next guest, known on the Internet as Atheism is Unstoppable.
He used to be one of my favorite YouTubers until he got...
Until he told too much truth for that particular website.
Now he can be found on Censored.tv.
You can also find him on Patreon at patreon.com slash atheism.
His name is Devin Tracy, and he is not, in fact, a kangaroo, although that's the only form you ever see him in.
Thank you so much for coming on, Devin.
devon tracey
Hey, it's my pleasure. Happy to be here, and sorry that I am no longer your current favorite, but I still exist, even though YouTube had enough of me.
harrison smith
I actually saw that.
So you've posted some... Most of your content can be found at sensor.tv and you need a subscription to see that.
And they can... Tell us how people can...
You get a discount if you use your promo code on sensor.tv, right?
devon tracey
Well, if you enjoyed the first five seconds of knowing me, then there's way more seconds to be had.
And yeah, there's a promo code.
It's AIU. And I'm over at Censored with Gavin McInnes.
Why? Because I've been censored.
Because there's not that many places to call home on the internet if you are against the mainstream narrative.
And my avant-garde...
Sort of cutting-edge idea is that the truth matters.
And for that, I've been pushed to the corner of the internet, and that's with Gavin McInnes over there at Censored.
harrison smith
In the censor.tv ghetto, the internet ghetto you've been consigned to.
But I was going to say that you've actually posted some of your latest work on YouTube, and that's the debunking you've done of the serial podcast, which I think is important and points to a huge trend that we see these days.
And as you put it, what have the true crime podcasters done?
There is a whole wave of podcasts now working to get...
Well, it's part of an ongoing theme, I would say, because We've seen this trend.
devon tracey
It's been a slow-moving train wreck.
And when you give humanity new technology, we tend to mangle it.
We tend to do the worst things possible.
And so when you give power to some of these cat ladies who are interested in true crime, which is an interesting phenomenon in and of itself that women are so fascinated by it.
But this is a weird twist where they are getting murderers out of prison.
And I was totally shocked by the serial thing, because I didn't listen to that podcast, and I simply assumed that they had a good case.
Why wouldn't that be a normal assumption?
You know, if it's a murder mystery, if there's some doubt, then I'm sure the people at NPR have, you know, dotted their I's and crossed their T's on this, right?
Someone's researched this.
Right. Because you'd think that you could assume that your fellow man has morality, and that they care about who killed this young girl.
But apparently they don't.
And this guy just walked free and it happened under our watch.
And I can't believe there's no outrage over this or that the news is completely ghosting this as if they don't realize what has happened.
And it takes five minutes of research to figure this out.
harrison smith
Yeah, and Serial was a major phenomenon.
I mean, that really busted the gates open for a ton of people to follow after.
Now, Kim Kardashian has a series where she's trying to get a guy named Kevin Knight, I think his name is, off, or Kevin Kline.
We'll talk about that one in a little bit.
But literally, as I'm talking to you, 44 seconds ago, Associated Press posts on Twitter, prosecutors dropped charges against Adnan Syed in the 1999 killing of Heyman Lee, a case that was chronicled in the true crime hit podcast, Serial, the Baltimore Sun reported.
devon tracey
Well, that is breaking news, and no one is shocked.
That was 99 to 1 that that was going to be the way it went.
And I'm about to do a video covering that because the woman behind that is a disgraced district attorney from Baltimore who is facing felony counts, multiple felony counts of financial corruption.
She's been voted out of office, and this is her final hurrah, her final act to say, hey, 500 million people who listen to serial podcasts and think this guy's innocent, I'm the woman who got him out.
So please, you know, keep that in mind.
It's really disgusting.
And thank you for sharing that news with me, though.
harrison smith
Yeah, absolutely. And I really want to get in more into this and into the whole trend, because like I said, Cereal started it.
They kicked down the door, but a whole host of...
Progressive weirdos have followed in after and, yeah, are getting people who are just unquestionably guilty out because they think it makes them a good person.
We'll get into why that is and all the dirty details on the other side with atheism is unstoppable.
You will find him at censored.tv.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
You're watching The American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith.
My guest is Devin Tracy, a.k.a.
Atheism is Unstoppable.
You can find his website at atheismisunstoppable.com.
His Patreon is patreon.com slash atheism.
And you can, of course, go to censored.tv and use the promo code A-I-U to make sure they know why you're going there.
And I just wanted to ask you, Devin, before we get into the nitty-gritty of all of the true crime podcast fangirls getting their favorite murderers off as some sort of...
I don't even know what.
Literally, like, fangirling.
It's incredibly weird. But let's sort of set the stage here.
You got started as a...
Atheist YouTuber.
We probably would have been enemies if we'd talked to each other a couple years ago.
What caused the changeover of your content into the true crime realm?
I so appreciate your breakdown of these cases that get...
Completely whitewashed in the mainstream media and even the alternative media in a lot of cases, you really have a way of going through with a scalpel and just detail by detail disproving their entire case.
But what caused that change over into the true crime sort of realm for you?
devon tracey
Well, I would say boredom, maybe, perhaps, or the fact that I exhausted talking about atheism.
And let me address the elephant in the room.
I realize I just woke up and I'm on Infowars, which I'm guessing a percentage of your audience might not be atheists, to which I say, I don't care.
I don't care that we disagree on that.
Same with me. I think we can disagree on that.
Like, I believe in morality.
I'm an Eagle Scout, okay?
I actually, you know, that's kind of a religious institution, but whatever.
Yeah. Regardless of that, I think that there's better tribes to form.
And I'm talking about left-right.
I'm talking about religious, non-religious.
Here's a tribe. Maybe you want to join mine.
I think murderers should go to jail.
And I believe that the truth on those issues matter.
And I believe that we are living through a scandalous moment of human history, but American history.
Look, here's my backstory.
Here's my origin story. I've always been this guy.
I went to the O.J. Simpson trial in person, live, in L.A. I could not believe what I saw happen there that day.
It was during closing arguments.
I made eye contact with O.J. There's a video of it up on YouTube.
The reason there's a video, by the way, is because I was sitting next to Richard Dreyfuss randomly.
And the Associated Press and everyone was fascinated.
They're like, oh, look at Richard Dreyfuss.
And I'm the guy right next to him.
And I made the nightly news, whatever.
That's hilarious. But here's the thing.
O.J. got off. It's kind of crazy.
He's walking the streets, a free man.
He committed a double murder.
I thought that was a one-off.
I thought that was a bug.
Turns out it's the feature. And we have watched some insidious people perform just horribly nefarious behaviors to get murderers out of prison.
There's a thing called the Innocence Project.
Maybe you heard of it. It is completely innocence fraud, and it's a debacle, and it will be exposed, hopefully by me.
harrison smith
Yeah, I mean, I believe you're the one that opened my eyes up to what the Innocent Project was up to.
But, you know, I'm a fan of true crime.
I think there's a lot. I mean, it's thrilling.
It's real-life drama.
You get to see things like liars being confronted with their lies, you know, in the interrogation room.
I mean, it's a thrilling genre.
And I started to notice this, where I'd be listening to a podcast, and it's like, okay, the podcast host wants me to think this person is innocent, but you just see through it.
You go, but all of the evidence is there.
And like you had with the O.J. Simpson, you think, all right, well, this is a one-off.
That was kind of a weird way to phrase that.
I'll listen to the next podcast. And the next one's the same way.
And the next one's the same way.
And they keep coming out, and they keep making these podcasts where I guess...
I guess they're just, it's like rhetorical trickery is all they have left for them because the evidence is always there and it's always damning to the person and it's very bizarre.
devon tracey
Yeah, there's, look, to tell a good story you need conflict and conflict can come in many ways.
Doubt, mystery, that's kind of intriguing.
But if the story is a slam dunk case, then what's to draw people's attention?
You're not going to get attention or clicks.
Therefore, you're not going to get money. So keep in mind, there is a money incentive here for the people that make this.
They write books about it.
And look, there's personal incentives.
When it comes to the serial case, the whole reason there's a podcast serial was because a good friend of Adnan Syed This woman named Rabia Choudhury, she went to NPR. And the reason she went to NPR was because every legal avenue had been exhausted.
The guy was guilty. His appeals, he lost everything.
And it's a slam dunk case.
So she goes to NPR and goes, hey, my good friend, I think he's innocent.
Here are my talking points.
I want you to run with that.
And that woman, who's not a journalist, she doesn't care.
She's under no obligation to live ethically or anything.
There's no oversight here. She's just doing this for, quote, entertainment.
It's just a podcast. Well, that just a podcast got 500 million views.
And now the guy's walking free.
And as of, what, 20 minutes ago, the case is dropped.
If I dare you, you, forget what I'm saying, you go research this for five minutes, and you tell me if you think this guy's guilty.
He's absolutely guilty. Does murder matter to you?
If murder doesn't matter to you, what does?
harrison smith
And there's some shocking things about the victim in this, Hey Min Lee.
Her family was, like, denied the ability to even speak out against this.
They're being slandered and smeared in all sorts of horrific ways.
Now there's a... Isn't there a documentary Netflix or a Netflix documentary about the serial case now that has the same talking points?
I mean, these people will destroy the lives of innocent people in pursuit of freedom for people that are clearly guilty.
Can you talk a little about that, about what they've done to her family?
devon tracey
Yeah, so... They announced, they sent an email to the family of Haman Lee on Friday saying we're going to have a hearing on Monday.
And that hearing was going to be just basically us announcing that he's free.
And we're dropping, we're vacating the charges.
These people are incompetent.
I mean, to pretend like any of this makes sense, it doesn't.
This is all about Politics and money and social pressure.
And there is social pressure.
Do you ever remember, like, you must watch sports and you look at a basketball game, a hockey game.
Why is it that the home team always wins?
Why is that? Is it they prefer the rims?
Is it they just like, you know, they get a better night's sleep the night before?
No, maybe it has something to do with the 20,000 people cheering everything you do or rooting against you.
That energy is felt by the players on the court.
Imagine 500 million people.
Imagine a tweet from Kim Kardashian saying anything.
And now it's coming down.
All of this humanity, all of this negative energy saying, do this, do this thing, do this thing.
The victims are inconvenient.
No one talks about Haemin Lee.
No one cares. Why would they care?
She's dead. She's gone. There's no footage of her.
There's like a 10-second interview of her.
She's out of sight and out of mind, and so are her family.
They're just like a private Korean family.
I mean... But here's who is in the spotlight.
It's Adnan Syed. Why?
Because like you said, it's not a Netflix documentary.
It's an HBO series.
And it's really well made.
And it's based off a book, a best-selling book that was made by Rabia Chowdhury, the same woman who's a best friend.
Adnan Syed's best friend's older sister is Rabia Chowdhury.
She's a Muslim. She wears the hijab.
She's lying on behalf of this dude and becoming a millionaire in the process.
Follow the money. I mean, this is like some basic level seven deadly sins stuff going on here.
It's the worst characteristics of humanity, and people are getting screwed, and it's Heyman Lee and her family and friends.
harrison smith
Right, and the other victims that will come after are being victimized today.
I mean, they get re-victimized by things like the Innocence Project.
And, of course, the elephant in the room that we haven't even mentioned yet is the race.
Oh, boy. Oh, boy, indeed.
Yeah, I mean, and the fact that you bring up O.J. Simpson, you're right.
That seemed like a one-off, but it reminds you that this is maybe not a new phenomenon.
In fact, it goes back to, you know, 30 years ago and the O.J. Simpson case.
devon tracey
Oh, my God. Okay.
Well, trigger warning to any human being listening to me right now, I'm about to talk about race and black people and white people.
And you might detect that I have zero Fs to give on this topic.
My family comes from South Africa.
I was raised in an environment where race is not some guilty thing that hangs over me.
I don't care. I don't care about race.
I care about actions. And I call people out for their actions.
Race has been a major theme and trend with this phenomenon, and that's what I started to notice, pattern recognition.
I'm noticing the Innocence Project, hmm, they seem to be getting black murderers out of prison, specifically black murderers of white people.
And there's talking points that are always there.
There was an all-white jury.
There was a mostly all-white jury.
So clearly the whites were probably racist, and he's probably in jail because of the white racism.
All of that crap, that has been the theme, and I have a group of people with names that you would not believe.
They all are alliterated.
I mean, it's unbelievable, but we can get into that.
But this case, the serial case, is the one that bucks that trend.
That's why it's actually more interesting to me.
There aren't any black people involved in the primary case.
There's one guy who's an accomplice.
He got rid of the body, but he didn't do the murdering.
harrison smith
But the murderer was Muslim, so he gets the minority point on his side.
But we'll get into all of that on the other side and talk about how race plays into this entire concept of this guy's actually innocent because white people convicted him.
It's absurd and ridiculous.
We'll be back on the other side with Atheism is Unstoppable.
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We're talking about...
Well, there's a lot of topics we're covering today.
But just to lay out the state of the union, as it were, just from today, we've got a couple stories here.
Three people stabbed to death in New York City transit system in 10 days.
Not great. 13-year-old dies after being shot multiple times in Philadelphia's Oganst neighborhood.
Serial jogger rapist to be released from Oregon prison.
This time serial is not the podcast serial.
This is indicative of the number of joggers he's raped.
He's a serial jogger rapist.
But he's being released from Oregon prison.
Texas woman killed in drive-by shooting that hit the wrong house with nearly 100 rounds.
I mean, it just goes on and on.
I mean... Why is crime not the biggest story in America every single day, Devin?
I mean, we are clearly spiraling out of control here, and nobody's doing anything to stop it.
devon tracey
Wow, that is heavy.
First of all, about the serial jogger rapist, it's not a problem that he's a serial jogger.
I just want to make, I mean, that just sounds like he's an avid jogger.
Encourage that, yeah. It's the rapist part that we have an issue with.
I think one thing we have to pay attention to is, again, the internet and cherry picking, or not cherry picking, but just the idea that Everything is going to hell can easily be thought of when you just look at negative stories.
Now, we're not going to look at mundane stories or positive stories because they don't We require our attention in the same way.
But we do have a massive country, and so there is a lot of crime.
There's a lot of suicide every day.
There's 130 people kill themselves every day.
If we went over those 130 names, we'd be like, oh my god, this is an emergency.
And you could make that case, by the way.
But crime definitely is a problem.
It definitely is on the rise.
The rates are unacceptable.
I mean, who are we comparing ourselves to here?
Japan? Norway?
Switzerland? What crime rate are we happy with?
I'll hear people say, crime has gone down since the early 90s.
And it's like, yeah, because it was insane in the early 90s.
This is not a win for us.
We're still way behind the curve here.
So what is going to be done about it?
I don't know. How about this?
Here's a novel idea.
Let's arrest the criminals and chuck them in jail.
harrison smith
Well, that frankly sounds racist, sir.
devon tracey
How dare you? Well, now they say equality is not what we're after.
We're after equity. So those are completely different concepts.
They sound similar. They have a lot of the same letters.
Totally different. So if your goal is to get an equal number of people of every race in jail, which, you know, make no mistake, that is the goal for a lot of people, then it's a losing battle and it's totally insane.
harrison smith
It's morally insane. Morally insane.
I think that is a very good way to put it.
And of course, again, we encounter the issue, the troublesome notion of race in things like crime statistics.
I mean, if you post literally FBI crime statistics broken down by race online, you will be kicked off for racism.
why count the race if you can't glean any information from?
And, of course, the latest FBI statistics from 2021 shows that the share of violent crimes committed by black Americans is up to 60%.
And, of course, it's not just, as you probably know, it's not just black people, it's usually young black men.
So it's more like 5% of the population is committing about 60% of the crime.
Maybe that's why crime is not a bigger topic on the media who would rather just ignore that phenomenon.
devon tracey
Right.
This is a problem that's too big to solve.
We're not going to just talk this away.
And also, look, when you say 5%, right, it's— Blacks are 12% of the country.
Half of them are women. Women are not doing this, you know, primarily.
And also, it's not super old Black guys, and it's not super—it's not babies.
So it's—you're talking about 2% to 3% of young Black males are committing this degree of crime.
This should not be shocking to anyone.
Like, look at the news, be awake for a few hours, and you should be aware of this.
Now, what are we supposed to do about it?
What we tend to do about it is blame the messenger.
That's far easier. Cancel the messenger, get rid of him, and then let's get on to something else.
They are far more comfortable with the topic of white racism or a corrupt jury or a judge or something like that.
It makes them feel better.
What are we going to do to solve this generational problem?
And by the way, it wasn't like this before.
You know, there used to be families and fathers, and people were not raised in a way that is just completely unacceptable.
Morally insane, crazy.
You see it every day on your timeline.
This is a pattern.
This is not a fabrication.
You know, it is happening.
And look, the problem is bigger than all of us.
But to not talk about it, to not be honest with it, that's unacceptable as well.
So look, you run a risk.
If you talk about this, there are risks involved.
So if you're a family man, if you have a job, I'm not saying you should talk about it.
I'm saying people like me, people on the fringes, people like content creators, someone has to do it.
Sometimes I'm appalled that it comes to a guy like me who's like, you know, I'm a web designer.
I'm like an advertiser.
I'm an animator.
I'm an artist. This is not my job.
This should be someone's job.
We just don't have that in our society yet because we haven't remedied this.
We haven't even acknowledged it's a problem.
harrison smith
Right, and it clearly is a problem, and it's a problem for the black community as well.
And when you say, when you point out, you know, the percentage of crimes of black people, they say, well, it's mostly black people that are the victims of the crimes.
And it's like, yeah, I know.
That doesn't contradict what I'm saying.
And if you want what's best for the black community, you should address the issue that's destroying the black community.
I mean, it's so bizarre that people want to act like that position is racist.
When you just want what's best for everybody, and what's best for everybody is to be able to live their lives without being murdered or robbed or beaten half to death for no reason.
devon tracey
Right, and with the innocence fraud movement, the typical pattern has been black murderer, white victim, but we have straight away.
So like you're talking about with the serial case, we have a Muslim killing a Korean in Baltimore, and it's like the same phenomenon.
You still are throwing out that catnip to the cat ladies going, hey, there's an innocent guy in jail, let's get him out.
And that has been working.
But also, Kim Kardashian just put out a podcast on Spotify.
Okay, she's getting into true crime.
Now, she has been advocating for the release of Black murderers for years now, for years, using her multiple million follower platforms to apply pressure and leverage.
The case she's on now, though, is a guy, you wouldn't believe it, another alliterated name.
So I have a group called the Alliterati, and it's random because there are murderers of white people who I think?
I mean, it is unfathomable.
It is the most bizarre thing in the world.
That is the list and a joke, like a running sick joke that I've had because I noticed that pattern.
That was before Kim Kardashian came out with her new podcast where she's trying to get the triple murderer Kevin Keith out of prison.
And he shot and killed black people.
Six of them. Yeah.
harrison smith
Killing three. And some of them were kids, and some of them survived, and survived to say, he's the one that shot me.
I mean, it's not even...
devon tracey
It's embarrassing. The three that survived, they're all grown, like the two kids are grown up, and there was one white guy who got shot four times in the jaw.
He says it was Kevin. Kevin Keith came to our door.
I looked him dead in his face.
The guy was six foot one, 350 pounds.
Like, this is not hard...
And everyone's going, yeah, Kevin shot me.
What are we doing here? Kim Kardashian will not have those people on her podcast.
She will not interview them. Right.
harrison smith
Here comes Kim Kardashian flying in on her chariot to rescue the murderer.
I mean, it's so insane.
And we just got some breaking news, actually, with death row inmate Rodney Reed, another member of your Illiterati that we'll talk about on the other side.
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Earlier in this hour, we received breaking news that the serial murder case has been dropped against Adnan Syed, the...
Clearly guilty, murderer in that case.
We also have some other breaking news here, just brought in, broke minutes ago.
Supreme Court to hear death row inmate Rodney Reeds appeal for a new DNA testing.
Now, this was a story that took place just down the road here in Austin.
It was in Bastrop, Texas, I believe.
And another one of these where I went into this...
podcast that they made about this.
I don't remember what it was called now, but it was about Rodney Reed going in expecting to hear evidence of how this innocent man had been somehow framed for this murder.
And that's the way it's presented. That's what the podcast is telling you that they're proving.
And yet you listen to it And the only conclusion you can come out with is, yeah, Rodney Reed is guilty as sin.
There's no possible way he's not guilty.
And yet, here's the latest, they are going to do DNA testing as if that will somehow reverse all of the just plethora of evidence they have against him.
Have you paid any attention to the Rodney Reed case, Devin?
devon tracey
Oh, of course. I've done multiple videos on it.
This is a ridiculous case.
And you're right. It's not just a podcast with this.
It was like Dr. Phil did multiple shows on it.
Oprah, Gayle King, Kim Kardashian.
She went and visited him in jail.
I mean, this is a disgusting phenomenon that we're looking at here, but we've already done DNA testing there, champ.
We came back and found your semen all over her.
You dumped her body.
You didn't even bother to dig a grave.
You just tossed her in the... Not only do we have his DNA in terms of semen, we have his saliva.
So, you know, this goes to the time of death.
It goes to when he was there.
His saliva is on her body.
So the DNA thing is a real bait and switch because most people don't understand DNA and they just assume if you're going to say DNA, that means you're super sciency and I'll just, you know, ooh, I guess he's innocent because DNA. This doesn't prove anything.
This goes back to the Central Park Five case where they said DNA exonerated the Central Park Five.
No, it didn't. Not at all.
Those guys are all guilty. Here's what the DNA did in that case.
It proved that the semen of Mateus Reyes was Mateus Reyes'.
That's it. It was a gang rape, ladies and gentlemen.
Just because one guy came doesn't mean the other guys are innocent.
So we're seeing a lot of ridiculous behaviors here.
But back to the Baltimore case, one point to be made on the serial case there.
Don't be shocked that we're letting a murderer walk free in Baltimore.
You know why? Guess what the clearance rate is of murders in Baltimore.
We get a murder almost every day out there.
They clear 38% of their cases, meaning people go to jail for those murders 38% of the time.
One year, it was 29%.
So those people are totally cozy letting murderers walk free, and they are not in an outrage about it.
harrison smith
It's just completely insane.
And again, the number of these stories is just growing.
It's almost becoming more popular.
I guarantee you, you know, what happens is one criminal sees this and another criminal contacts their person outside and goes, hey, maybe we can do this.
Maybe I could get off.
And if it's got the right hooks, if the races are right, if it's...
You know, the right victim, then, you know, maybe they'll get, you know, Kim Kardashian visiting them in jail and bringing attention to their case.
And it just goes on and on.
And again, it's like you, you know, some of these, here's another ridiculous one that, I mean, the Rodney Reed one, completely ridiculous.
I actually, now I remember your coverage on that.
I watched the heck out of it, enjoyed it.
The... Kevin Keith case, that's the newest one.
The Adnan Syed in Serial.
And there's this one that was one that I listened to.
It was called something like A Killing on the Cape.
And it was produced by ABC News.
I believe it was a 60 Minutes production, a whole podcast series.
And they were they set out claiming they were going to prove that this black man who was accused and convicted of murder.
It was a racist case.
And then it turns out you're listening to the podcast.
And one of the ways they found the guy was they literally DNA tested every single person on the cape.
And his is the only one that came back positive.
And yet they're claiming racism with that.
And this is ABC News 60 Minutes.
And they produce an entire podcast series.
What is going on?
devon tracey
Well, I just watched a news clip of that case.
I'm new to this case, and you guys put me on this, and I will be doing videos on this because this is unbelievable.
It happened a few years ago.
I saw a news segment on Good Morning America where this woman named Sunny, who's, you know, like, she's nothing.
She'll call herself a journalist.
She is nothing. But she's a mulatto, and she definitely has a bias on these things.
And she makes it, she paints the picture that this guy is completely innocent.
Now, this is an insult to our intelligence.
Okay, this woman was raped and beaten and killed with a knife in Cape Cod.
We found this man's semen in her.
Okay, I don't know what to tell you people.
I don't know if you're aware of how the world works.
A black garbage man came by.
His story is ludicrous.
go listen to what he says happened that day where she invited him in the house and they just consensually started making out and it just happened.
And then, I mean, it is so crazy that these people with a straight face will look at you and tell you that they're innocent.
And it's like, what's crazier?
Like, I'm not even surprised that that guy's doing it.
Why? Because he's in a fight for his life.
He's trying to survive. Yes, it's embarrassing.
It's despicable. But what are you going to do?
You expect that. Why is ABC running this?
Good morning, America.
What? Why does our society not have safeguards against the general public being assaulted by the most heinous lies imaginable?
And it's just despicable, the entirety of it.
And I'm fed up with it.
I can't believe it's happening.
And I can't believe there's no backlash to it.
harrison smith
You know, you mentioned a little bit earlier when we introduced you that probably a lot of our audience is Christian and we just don't care about that.
Well, allow me to take a similar stance.
I'm sure a large portion of our audience is flat earthers.
So no offense to you, but a lot of this reminds me of the flat earth rhetoric, where if you just sit down with a flat earther for an hour and just hear his...
You know, presentation of facts, you might be convinced.
You might go, wow, he's really drawn some lines together.
But the instant that you actually look into the research or you have somebody that can present the alternative view, the whole flat earth case, in my opinion, sort of falls apart.
And that's what it kind of reminds me of, is when you have these podcasters or these journalists reporting just the very well-varnished falsehoods Presented by the murderer, it can be a convincing case, but the instant that you actually dig in and try to find the evidence, the whole concept falls apart.
Is it just laziness on behalf of the people falling for these lies, that they're not doing more research into it?
devon tracey
They're lazy, they're dumb, it doesn't speak well to them, but the people presenting it, they're not unaware of what they're doing.
I'm calling what they're doing evil.
They cannot be ignorant.
They have to know these people are guilty.
These people are not retarded.
They are functional human beings.
But what they do, and when your guy is guilty and you've appealed everything and he's sitting in jail, he's on death row, the logic is, why not try anything?
Why not throw the kitchen sink at this?
And what they do is they go to the court of public opinion.
And the problem with the court of public opinion is it's not a court.
There's not a court, so there's no judge.
There's no objections. There's no standards.
There's no rules. So it's just propaganda.
It's just lies.
And they just run defensive talking points.
Now, what's crazy is the news runs it and parrot those talking points and present it as if this is the angle that we're supposed to approach this case with, that this guy's probably innocent.
And it's like, what?
They're not even presenting both sides.
And the one side, the prosecution side, is damning Damning, compelling, and to the point of boredom.
It is ridiculous that we're even talking about these cases.
For example, let me just let you know the severity of the problem that we're dealing with.
Rabia Chaudhry, the woman that was the friend of Adnan Syed, the murderer of Heyman Lee, she goes to Serial.
That starts that podcast.
That starts this movement. Guess what Rabia is doing now?
She's moved on. She made a million dollars off a book.
She's a bestselling author now.
She's doing a true crime podcast.
Wow, what are the odds? So guess which case she's covering?
Guess what case she's trying to tell you the guy is innocent?
I'm not kidding you.
It is Scott Peterson she's saying is innocent.
Scott Peterson, the man from Modesto who killed his nine-month pregnant wife on Christmas Eve.
It was a famous case.
The guy's sitting in death row, but we don't kill people in California because, you know, reasons.
So he's going to sit there forever.
He got remarried in prison.
This guy is the most guilty human being on the planet.
And Rabia Choudhury is advocating for his innocence now.
harrison smith
Oh my god. They caught him on his way to Mexico with dyed hair.
I mean, you're right.
One of the most guilty people.
Oh my god. Alright, we gotta go to break.
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All right, folks, welcome back. Final segment of the show today.
I am joined by Atheism is Unstoppable.
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And we're talking about, well, the Innocence Project, which is just the worst title for this sort of stuff.
And where do you want to go here, Devin?
We sort of got cut off there at the end.
devon tracey
Okay, for me, this all ties in, you know, for me, the starting point was OJ, where I was horrified.
Before that, I was maybe innocent.
of the fact that this stuff could occur, let alone that it is occurring.
If you tie this thing together, Kim Kardashian is not just some fat-ass model.
Her father is Bob Kardashian, who was a defense lawyer for OJ Simpson, a friend of OJ Simpson's.
He took part in getting that murderer out of prison, out of accountability for what he did.
I want you to go look back at the, not the confession, when the guilty verdict was read, or sorry, not guilty verdict, in the OJ case.
It's a famous clip. You'll see it on YouTube.
Look at Bob Kardashian.
He's standing in front of OJ. You got Johnny Cochran behind OJ, and you got OJ. And they say, we find the defendant, Orenthal, or Orin Jahl, and then they go, Orenthal Simpson, not guilty.
Johnny Cochran starts rocking back and forth, super happy.
He's talking to himself. OJ, mouth open.
He's shocked but then excited.
A smile creeps across his face.
Bob Kardashian is not happy.
Bob Kardashian closes his eyes for two seconds, looks horrified, doesn't smile, is absolutely in a state of shock because he knows OJ killed Nicole.
Bob Kardashian was friends with Nicole.
They go out to dinner. They've been friends for years.
Their children knew each other.
This was a dear friend of his.
He had a moral compass, Bob did.
His daughter doesn't.
His daughter, Kim Kardashian, she went on Saturday Night Live, did an opening monologue, and in that monologue, she said something I like the following.
unidentified
She said, Recently, I've been getting into true crime and advocating for the release of innocent people who have been wrongfully convicted of committing murder, you know, following in the footsteps of my father.
devon tracey
And that got a laugh.
That was written by Saturday Night Live writers who knew that this is ridiculous, that your father got OJ out of prison, and now you are getting murders out of prison.
In fact, Kevin Keith, the alliterated black murderer who shot six people, killing three of them, women and children, blacks, He committed that triple homicide in 1994.
So, hey, Dad, hey, Daddy Bob, you got a double murderer out in 94?
I'm getting a triple murderer out in 94.
Why? It gives Kim meaning.
Yeah, she enjoys selling Spanx and makeup, and she has millions upon millions of dollars, but where's the gravitas?
Where's her legacy?
unidentified
She's helping people.
devon tracey
She's giving them a second chance.
This guy's innocent. This is a demented call to purpose in their lives.
And it is floundering, it's embarrassing, it's exhausting to witness.
We need to do something about this.
If we do not, if we do not stand up on this, then who are we?
What does that say about us?
We have to draw a line in the sand, and that line is right here and right now.
I have a website, or sorry, a YouTube channel that I have made zero videos on.
It has 2,000 or something subscribers.
It's called Innocence Fraud.
And go see if you can find it.
Sign up because there will be videos coming out on that because I might pivot my career to handling this.
Because as an Eagle Scout, shit, maybe it's my job.
Maybe it's my turn to step up and speak out on this because no one else is.
harrison smith
And you're exactly right.
People do need to speak out about this.
And it really is a damning of humanity as it exists now that people...
Have to be told this.
You're letting a murderer out of prison.
You should know that that's wrong.
No one should have to hold your hand to tell you that this is wrong.
devon tracey
Thou shalt not kill. Is that not the first words of the Bible?
What was it? Let there be light? Thou shalt not kill?
Something like that? Something like that.
harrison smith
Something along those lines.
I think you called it during the break while we were talking, you called it diabolical.
That really is a great word for what's going on here.
And it's not just, you know, we're talking about the true crime stuff, and that's a major issue, but that's having a social effect where now you have, in addition to the Defund the Police program, you have Reimagining Justice, where this is becoming systematized.
I mean, you want to talk about structural systems of systematic institutions.
I mean, this is being institutionalized, the Defund the Police program, the bail reform, where they're letting people out without bail, and many times the people that are let out by Things like the Innocence Project go on to kill again, and I have to wonder, do the people who are involved in letting killers out feel guilt about the murders that get caused or that get committed because of what they've done?
Do they feel guilt, or are they as diabolical as they seem?
devon tracey
They have rationalized it in such a way where they think they're the heroes of this story.
They believe in second chances.
They'll say it. They're against the death penalty.
Just flat out. And so this is a broken way in which we have empathy.
It's like a perversion of empathy.
We are empathetic. We know this about humans to people in front of us, to people that we see in our field of vision.
So you will give money to a homeless person that you see, but you're not going to send money to some dude in Madagascar who's homeless.
How does that pertain to you?
So out of sight, out of mind, the victims are dead.
They're dead and buried. The guy in question, oh, this poor guy, let's reunite him with his family.
He says he's innocent.
Like, isn't it good? Wouldn't it be helpful if we did that?
This is a brand of weakness.
And it is an exhibition of moral insanity.
And there's money behind it.
So this is a self-sustaining system.
So we got to break through that ecosystem or come up with a new one that punishes these people for doing what I consider to be If not worse than murder, as bad as murder.
Like, what's worse?
A murderer or a guy who gets a murderer off intentionally?
harrison smith
No, I think you're exactly right.
I think if you work to get a murderer out and that murderer then goes on to commit more murders, you are complicit in that one way or another.
I mean, I don't know what the exact statute would be because you're not the murderer yourself, but a conspiracy to commit murder?
devon tracey
I mean... Yeah, but he doesn't have to do that.
He could be a Boy Scout for the rest of his life.
He's still a murderer. He's still guilty for what he did, and he should be held accountable.
Very true. Think of it.
There's no money behind Heyman, Lee's family, or any victim.
These are just regular people.
They don't have a podcast. They don't have celebrities advocating on their behalf because they're just not.
And so without money, then you got no momentum.
You got no propaganda machine.
And then you get screwed.
So the little guys are getting screwed here, and it's about time someone blows a whistle on this.
harrison smith
And that was one of the most impactful things.
Your video, The Chino Massacre, I know you told me his name earlier.
What was the guy's name? Kevin Cooper, alliterated.
Kevin Cooper, there he is.
That was one that your video on Kevin Cooper and the Chino Hills massacre really drove home how impactful this had been to the victims who survived and how you were victimizing them all over again by years later pulling them back into court and telling everybody that they're responsible for getting an innocent man in prison.
Let them move on with their lives.
This is re-victimizing these poor survivors of these murderers.
devon tracey
Yeah, Josh Ryan was a little boy.
He was like, you know, a kid.
And he got stabbed up by Kevin Cooper, who killed his entire family.
And, you know, this is a black man kills white family.
Of course, it's not covered like that.
Kim Kardashian went and met with Kevin Cooper.
She's trying to get him out of prison.
The New York Times did multiple articles on this, saying this guy's innocent.
It's a raw deal. Who else?
The biggest podcast in the world, next to Joe Rogan or whatever, was The Daily.
They did this. And guess who they platform on that podcast?
Kevin Cooper from prison, San Quentin.
He's given his version of events.
Oh, I'm an innocent guy. So yeah, Josh Ryan, imagine being that guy, going through your life with this baggage, this horror.
I mean... Look, this to me strikes at such a core level of I don't even know what it is to be an American or to be a citizen of this planet if we're going to let this stuff slide.
What else is important, guys?
This has to be corrected.
harrison smith
It absolutely does.
And you do really a great job of systematically breaking down these cases.
And it's one of the things where you hear a case that might strike you as a little suspicious.
You hear the New York Times saying, well, he says he's innocent.
You go, is he really?
And yourself, actual Justice Warriors does somewhat of the same thing, too.
You go to the Atheism Ensemble, find his video about it, and you get the actual facts, and you can just tell from your own logic and interpretation that what you're seeing is the truth when it comes to this guy is guilty and here's why, rather than the emotional...
You know, diatribes you'll get from the leftist ladies out there who are making true crime podcasts.
Well, I've really enjoyed this conversation.
I would love to have you back on again.
Again, it's Atheism is Unstoppable.
Devin Tracy, you can find him at atheismisunstoppable.com, censor.tv.
Use the promo code AIU when you sign up for that.
But go to atheismisunstoppable.com to find links to all of his work.
Thank you so much for being with us, Devin.
devon tracey
I really appreciate it. Well, yeah, I'm happy to come back on.
I'll come back on tomorrow, and if that doesn't happen, I'll take it as a personal insult.
unidentified
Thank you. As you should, sir.
harrison smith
Honestly, just keep up the great work, and...
A lot of your information is probably laundered through me.
In fact, regular viewers of the show will know I always reference atheism as unstoppable when I reference the racism of the gaps and the whole concept of gaps between statistics and therefore there must be racism in the gap there.
So I launder your ideas to my audience all the time.
devon tracey
Well, an open plagiarist, but I love you for admitting it.
harrison smith
Thank you. It's the greatest form of compliment I've heard.
I'm just trying to be complimentary here.
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