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Aug. 13, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Musk/Trump interview breaks the legacy media

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	A very simple statement, perhaps one of the most important things.
	I think he did it three times during that two-plus hour unfettered, unlimited discussion yesterday, which as of this morning had been listened to by a billion people.
	A million live and a billion already.
	The richest man in the world, in a Twitter X space, with the former president, and God willing, if we do our part, the future president.
	It not only broke the internet at the beginning, or, according to Elon Musk, was the victim of a directed denial-of-service attack.
	Who, I wonder, Would want to sabotage an interview with the leader of the opposition in America.
	40 minutes late because of a hack?
	Who was that?
	Was that Iran again that tried to have President Trump killed, we now know?
	Thanks to the FBI, a release of information about a Pakistani national who was bankrolled by the mullahs in Iran.
	Was it Russia that wants to continue its military escapades in Europe?
	Or was it a domestic enemy?
	Was it the Democrat Party?
	Was it an activist working on behalf of the Democrats?
	Remember who shot President Trump in the head?
	It was a Democrat donor.
	It was a fascinating, fascinating interview because it was just two men talking.
	But who are those two men?
	One of them is the richest man in the world, a man who's It's come to personify a revitalization of American industry.
	A man who's given us the spirit of the moonshot again.
	Not just Tesla electric vehicles, but flight to Mars.
	A man who epitomizes the American dream as a legal immigrant to the United States from Africa.
	Yeah, a very successful African immigrant.
	Talking to a man who Well, let's just say is loved by tens of millions and I think after yesterday we may be pushing a hundred million or more.
	I spoke to somebody today who has somebody she works with who, after they heard that interview, who she had just helped to get registered, never voted before, saw himself as a Democrat, said this morning I listened to that and I'm voting for President Trump.
	The way it opened warmed my heart.
	I was listening to it live and I think I've told you here on America First and maybe only on my Newsmax show I told Lara Trump on the Gawker Reality Check that it was a gut punch when President Trump at the convention when I and Katie were listening Well, he said at the beginning of his acceptance speech for the nomination that many people have asked him about Butler and what happened in Pennsylvania when that sniper's bullet hit him and killed Chief Corey Comparatore.
	In the convention speech, he said, many have asked, And I will only tell the story once, and never again, because it is too painful.
	Well, at the beginning of that discussion yesterday, Elon pushed him on it.
	He opened the discussion with the events of Butler, Pennsylvania, and I am delighted he did.
	Because this is the Donald Trump that the Democrats and the mainstream legacy lying media would deny exists cut for We could start off with I mean the assassination attempt which was an incredible thing and I have to say that I You know, your actions at that assassination attempt were inspiring.
	You know, you, instead of shying away from things, instead of ducking down, you were pumping your fist in the air and saying, fight, fight, fight.
	And I think that's, I mean, you know, the President of the United States represents America.
	And I think that is, that is America.
	That is strength under fire.
	And so that's, you know, a big, you know, part of the reason why I was excited to endorse you as the President of the United States for having a term here is that was that was just incredibly inspiring.
	But I mean, what was it like for you?
	Not pleasant.
	I said it was blood.
	I didn't know.
	I didn't know I had that much blood.
	The doctors later told me that the ear is a place that is a very bloody place if you're going to get hit.
	But in this case, it was probably the best alternative you could even think about because it went at the right angle.
	It was a hard hit.
	It was very, I guess you would say surreal, but it wasn't surreal.
	You know, I was telling somebody you have instances like this or like a lot less than this where you feel it's a surreal situation.
	And I never felt that way.
	I knew immediately.
	That it was a bullet.
	I knew immediately that it was at the ear.
	Yeah.
	And because it, you know, it hit very hard, but hit the ear.
	And I also heard people shout, bullets, bullets, you know, get down, get down.
	Because I, you know, I moved down pretty nicely, pretty quickly.
	And we had bullets flying right over my head after I went down.
	So I'm glad I went down.
	The bigger miracle was that I was looking in the exact direction of the shooter.
	And so it hit, it hit me at an angle that was, uh, Far less destructive than any other angle.
	So that was the miracle that was for those people that don't believe in God.
	I think we got to all start thinking about that.
	You have to you know, I'm I'm a believer now.
	I'm more of a believer.
	I think in a lot of people have said that to be a lot of great people have said that to me.
	I'm a believer in God now.
	That turn of his head.
	To look at a chart about the open borders.
	A chart which, as the President has told us, is usually projected to his left, and a chart that he only ever talks about near the end of his speech.
	He was less than ten minutes in.
	He mentioned the chart.
	His technical team, that lovely young lady he brought up to the stage at the next rally, brought it up on screen.
	It was at that moment, exactly.
	At that moment, that he turned his head, and a bullet which would have entered his cranium, just like John F. Kennedy, missed his brain, nicked the top of his ear, and his life was saved.
	If that's not a sign of divine intervention, there is no such thing as a sign of divine intervention.
	They're trying to raise that event completely from history.
	Even the most powerful information platform in the world, Google, is trying to make it impossible to just search for the phrase, attempted assassination attempt of Trump.
	Why?
	Because this is who they have become.
	For eight years they called him a misogynist, an Islamophobe, a white supremacist, and then finally a Nazi.
	What did we expect would happen?
	Just as with Steve Scalise on that baseball diamond not far from this studio.
	Just as with the man who traveled across the country to kill an associate justice because he was pro-life.
	Of course, the left made this possible and encouraged it.
	So much more to come.
	We've only just begun.
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	All right, we have a bumper show for you today, continuing our analysis of that incredible one billion views already for President Trump and Elon Musk.
	We will be dissecting it.
	But first, my colleague at Newsmax, he's got the coolest office in the Newsmax building.
	Well, of course, because he's a former frogman.
	Once a SEAL, always a SEAL.
	Carl Hibby!
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, sir.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	We want to talk about this amazing court case you won that has reasserted the Second Amendment, even for the people who live in New York City.
	But we'll leave that to the next segment, because I got to get you.
	You're now a media guy.
	You may be the best built media guy out there, but I got to get your take on the last five weeks in American politics.
	We'll talk about the Elon interview.
	In a moment.
	But play this clip because everybody in the mainstream media is trying to deep-six it.
	Hit it, Eric.
	Let me get my shoes.
	Let me get my shoes.
	I got you, sir.
	I got you, sir.
	Let me get my shoes, sir.
	Hold that in your head, buddy.
	Sir, we gotta get moved to the bus.
	Let me get my shoes.
	Watch out.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Now, Carl, I played at Soldiers for a few years in the British Army Reserves.
	You're a true warrior.
	You're a SEAL.
	I gotta get your take.
	Maybe I should have you on my Newsmax show to discuss this.
	If I'd been shot in the head and I realised I was bleeding, I'd just stand there saying, I've been shot!
	I wouldn't have taken cover and then taken control of my personal security detail as a warrior, tried and tested.
	Can you talk to us about that 58 seconds in American history and what President Trump did?
	Yeah, well, you know, as well as any the fight or flight method, you either have it or you don't, you either run or you fight.
	And, you know, there's only so much psychological training you can do to break that paradigm.
	However, like, this is the mark of a some this is this is ingrained in him.
	And for anybody says, Oh, he He dodged the draft in Vietnam.
	Look, everybody would've gotten out of Vietnam if they could have.
	However, this guy is a true warrior to the bone.
	You don't get shot in the ear and then stand up.
	You have to have an integral part of your system to understand that it is time to fight.
	And he stood up.
	The first thing he was concerned about was not his ear, anything like that was the people need to know I'm okay,
	stand up, fight, fight, fight, and then give credit to the Secret Service agents
	who jumped on him, but also to the audience for not running away and for standing their ground
	and being orderly about this while bullets were flying.
	That's the mark of a man who, I don't care if he's seen combat or not,
	I'd take him in my foxhole.
	Yeah, it's amazing.
	We're playing the footage right now.
	If you compare this to the Vegas shooting or anything else, The fact that everybody didn't just stay there.
	They sat down, waited for the signal from the president that he's okay, and he had the presence of mind to say, I'm here.
	I'm okay.
	Fight, fight, fight.
	Truly stunning, and we will never let that moment be deleted, deep-sixed, or forgotten from history.
	All right, you've got an amazing show on Newsmax every night, Frontline with Carl Higby.
	Give me your take.
	I just played the clip.
	From Elon, at the top of the show, so excited he asked President Trump about Butler.
	He said, I believe in God now more than ever.
	Your take?
	What are you going to talk?
	Give us a little tease for Frontline tonight about that two and a half hours.
	So actually, that's my opening segment tonight at 5 p.m.
	Eastern, which is on this entire paradigm of like, look, you had the smartest and richest man in the world.
	Come down and talk toe-to-toe policies with Donald Trump, who knew every single issue.
	He knew every single matter.
	He didn't shy away from anything.
	And they didn't agree on anything, but they had an open conversation.
	And that is why, that is why the media, that is why the powers that be, that is why the entire EU continent wanted to shut this down beforehand.
	And what I find funny is like, look, Elon opened this up and said, Kamala, you can come on.
	I'll give you the same platform.
	However, she never will, because it would take 10 people with 10 binders to educate somebody enough to have a conversation with Elon Musk the way Donald Trump did.
	And he did it off the cuff.
	And I think that's what they didn't want people to see.
	They didn't want people to know who Donald Trump really is without their mainstream media filter on.
	My wife and others have said that yesterday reminded them, in style, of the fireside chats of former presidents.
	What do you think of this idea, Carl, that the president should be doing this every week for the next 84 days?
	I mean, every week, every day, if he had time.
	I mean, this was the single greatest connection.
	What I loved about this interview is, you know, obviously the fact that they tried to hack it to shut it down for the first 30 minutes.
	The thing that I loved most was Elon Musk called him Donald.
	He didn't call him Mr. President.
	He called him Mr. Trump.
	He said, Donald.
	You know, it was a casual conversation among two men about serious issues.
	And the way it moved the needle to the other thing, Seb, They talked about cryptocurrencies.
	It bumped 10%.
	Cryptocurrencies were up 10% overnight because of a conversation between the two most influential people in the world.
	The Deep State and everybody else is terrified of this.
	We have an anecdotal story from a colleague of mine out of Los Angeles who said her colleague, who was a Democrat, said this morning after that interview, I'm voting for Donald Trump.
	Do you think this is going to have an effect with those who are undecideds, fed up with the Democrat Party, independents, or is this just a cool thing for us to talk about?
	No, I think it absolutely is.
	Look, you had a combined 70 million people.
	Tune into this thing at some point or another.
	You have two billion impressions on the internet today.
	160 million people voted in the last election.
	All it needs to do is affect one or two percent.
	And what they're more scared about, more than anything Donald Trump said on that interview, was what Elon Musk said.
	He says, I am a conventional Democrat.
	I voted for Barack Obama.
	Here is the evolution to my support for Donald Trump.
	And that evolution, people heard.
	We're talking to Carl Higby, host every day at 5 p.m.
	Eastern of Frontline on Newsmax.
	You've got to watch it.
	I haven't even talked about his amazing victory last week.
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	That's sebastiangawker.substack.com where you'll find my analysis of what really happened and why it happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.
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	We'll be back with Frogman and Newsmax host and my good friend Carl Higby after these messages.
	Do not touch that dial.
	Then... What's a shortcut from yesterday we can use?
	You If you tell him I said
	What's a shortcut from yesterday we can use you've already played the shortest one
	Eight Tap on Tim
	Yeah, come in with that I'll do my pillow, and I'll mention Carl's book, and then we'll go to his GAO victory.
	Let me see if I can find a post about that.
	How long was that case going, Carl?
	It's been a couple months and we met with it.
	We had a mediation a couple weeks ago and basically they agreed to everything in mediation.
	And then when we went to go get it in writing afterwards, they backed out of everything.
	But then we're not even suing Manhattan.
	That's the crazy thing.
	Manhattan saw this case and was like, oh shit, if they win this case, They're going to give national reciprocity a fighting chance.
	Let's try to control this.
	We'll give them the opportunity to apply.
	Which, by the way, to apply for this thing is a nightmare.
	Well, I'm already in the process of getting it.
	My buddy's going to hand deliver my application.
	But this is huge.
	It's just huge.
	And the fact that they have to review your social media.
	I mean, it's like North Korea.
	It's unbelievable.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, I can enforce foreign policy, but I can't carry a gun in my own country.
	Right.
	Who did you work with at GAO?
	With Eric?
	Well, Eric Pratt, obviously, yeah, but Steven and they have an outside attorney.
	What the hell is his name?
	Yeah, Steven Strom, Strom something or other.
	Does he do media?
	No, none of them do.
	The attorneys don't do media.
	Okay.
	I tried to get him on today, but we have Ted Nugent on today.
	Oh, fun!
	Yeah.
	He gave me... Oh, come in with the Ted Nugent liner.
	Can you grab that, Alex?
	That's fun.
	Let's do that.
	Got it.
	I love that guy.
	He's a character.
	Yeah.
	We're doing a segment next week on...
	We went up to my farm this weekend, and I had three other veterans up there, and we were shooting guns, blowing stuff up, cutting down trees, running my sawmill and eating steak and talking about veterans issues.
	So we're starting that next week.
	It's gonna be incredible.
	Like, the footage we got is awesome.
	What's your favorite AR?
	So honestly, like, I'm not picky about my brand.
	I'm more, like, so I have a DLD and a Spike and a couple other ones.
	But I also have, like, my original Bushmasters that I bought, like, when I was still in the military.
	I bought a used Daniel Defense Mark 18 because of the scope, because it had a Dr. Opticon.
	No, he had a DR Spectre.
	That's not my... I mean, I must have, like, 20 ARs.
	It's now my favorite AR.
	Really?
	You know, so when the others came out, because I live in the Socialist Republic of Connecticut, where I had to register them in order to keep them, which were... I'm also a plaintiff in a lawsuit to overturn.
	We are, uh, I have a 300 Blackout with like a seven and a half inch barrel, which is my favorite.
	I love 300.
	300 Blackout is my favorite new caliber.
	Stand by.
	Yeah, I have.
	On behalf of the Newton family and all who work in the field, I want to say thank you.
	Newton family and all working hard, playing hard American families in the asset column,
	thank you for driving home truth, logic, and common sense every day.
	We are with ya!
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	Magnificent!
	Her running mate approved, signed into legislation, tampons in boys' bathrooms, okay?
	Now, that's all I have to hear.
	Tampons in boys' bathrooms.
	And that means she believes in that, too.
	I mean, she picked this guy because he was the closest to her.
	A lot of people thought she'd picked sort of the opposite, but she picked an anti-Israel, radical left person, but she is far Worse, they say, than Bernie Sanders.
	If we have her as a president, if we have a Democrat at this moment as a president, I don't think our country can survive.
	That is a statement of fact.
	And later, Elon said, well, you know who her father was?
	A self-professed Marxist professor at Stanford University.
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	We're back with the author of the work, You Must Get Profiles in Freedom, my Newsmax colleague, host of the Five O'Clock Show Frontline, Carl Higby.
	You're on my show because you're making news.
	I didn't know you were allowed to do that as a host of a nationally syndicated show, but you're a big gun guy because you're a SEAL.
	You just defeated New York with the help of the great people at Gun Owners of America, is this correct?
	This is absolutely correct, Seb.
	The thing is, I live in Connecticut.
	I hunt in New York.
	I shop in New York.
	I work in New York.
	And I've just been trying for 10 years to get a permit to carry a firearm legally in Manhattan, in Dutchess County, in Westchester County, everywhere.
	No dice, because you had to be a resident.
	And even after Bruin, even after the Supreme Court came back and said, it is a right to carry a gun They said they would not capitulate.
	So we sued with the help of Gun Owners of America, by the way, great organization.
	And if you're looking to support gun rights, they are the guys at the front of this this spear right now.
	And we said, we're going to sue you for the right to carry on.
	And they went we went to mediation.
	They agreed to a bunch of stuff.
	Then they came back on a bunch of stuff.
	And then we said, fine.
	Well, Manhattan realized that there's a possibility this judge will just order national reciprocity, which is essentially what we think is right.
	Meaning that your permit from where you live would have to be registered in New York, and then all of the gun grabbers' anti-Second Amendment states are toast.
	Exactly.
	I mean, look, we have constitutional carry.
	In 27 states right now, you can walk in, buy a gun, put it on your hip, and walk out with it the same day, okay?
	Those states have lower gun crime than the other states that don't have constitutional carry.
	So, like, you know, more guns equal less crime.
	And New York finally, thank God, the chief of police over here, Kind of got it.
	He said, you know what?
	Let's make an emergency rule that we're going to allow everyone else from anywhere in the nation to apply and get a permit, waive the residency requirement.
	If you live in Kentucky, Kansas, Connecticut, or Alaska, you can walk into a Manhattan precinct now and apply for a carry permit.
	They can't say no.
	It's the same reason I, as a Virginia resident, have a concealed carry permit in Washington, D.C., because Washington also realized, oops, if we don't cave right now, they're going to take this to the Supreme Court and we're going to have to be a shall-issue district.
	So this is how you win.
	Eric Pratt, gunner-nose of America, and people like Carl on the front line.
	So I'll be applying for my New York permit imminently.
	But in the last minute we have with you, The system, the regime there, was like North Korea.
	When you applied under the old system, you had to submit all your social media handles, and the police refued your social media content.
	This is like Orwell, Carl.
	Yeah.
	And look, all my stuff is public.
	I'm a public figure.
	But most people aren't.
	So they don't want people knowing about their social media.
	And to be honest, the government has no business knowing.
	The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
	I don't understand how they've confused this, but they've figured out a way to screw that up.
	The government is the DMV with guns now.
	Oh, that's a good title.
	I think that's the title for this segment.
	Your government, the DMV with guns.
	So I presume your opening monologue this evening will be about my former boss and Elon.
	It's unbelievable what happened last night.
	We were just talking about it breaking the paradigm.
	They bypassed everyone in the system and they went directly to the people.
	And I will say the most important part of that interview, which we're going to talk about tonight, was Elon explaining why he transitioned from a traditional Obama voting Democrat to a Donald Trump supporter.
	He actually said at one point, if you missed the interview, Elon said, he was already a billionaire famous dude, he waited six hours in line just to shake Obama's hand and now he is fully endorsed President Trump.
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	It's to tell the truth about communism.
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	When it comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say, Hi, I'm here to impoverish, enslave, and murder you.
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	Here's the thing about communism. When it comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say,
	Hi, I'm here to impoverish, enslave and murder you.
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	The man who was central to that new movie has written a veritable library on the threat to the nation.
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	James, welcome back to America First.
	Hey, Seb.
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	Let's start with your indefatigable expression of what the threat is.
	At your Conceptual James substack, at your website, at your Twitter, you don't say that this is just, you know, left-wing crazies.
	James, this is communism, right?
	This is communism.
	This is communism adapted to the 21st century and to the Western world.
	So it's not communism exactly like you would have seen under Lenin and Stalin in the Soviet Union.
	It's not exactly what you would have seen from Mao Zedong in China from the 1940s and 50s and 60s, but it's exactly patterned off of those.
	It's just changed its form.
	It's put on new, I guess, sheep's clothing since we're talking about the film.
	Uh, in order to look palatable to an American audience.
	So it comes in with identity politics about race and sex and sexuality and gender and all of these things.
	And otherwise, it's actually running the exact same programs that those tyrants of history, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, and now today, Maduro.
	And what is the goal of Beneath Sheep's Clothing?
	Is it to make connections to communism as was?
	Is it to tell the story of those who suffered under it?
	It's just using corporations to push its power rather than trying to attack corporations.
	That's the main change.
	And what is the goal of Beneath Sheep's Clothing?
	Is it to make connections to communism as was?
	Is it to tell the story of those who suffered under it?
	So tell us why this movie and why now?
	Yes, yes, and yes, that's what it's for.
	It is to show.
	So I've spent, as you know, many years, as you have as well, going around sounding the alarm, trying to get people to understand communism, and trying to get people to read about communism.
	So I've written many of these books, like you said, and I've written, you know, on my website, and I've done podcasts, and I've done, I don't know, So many hundreds or thousands of interviews with folks like yourself.
	And that's got its place.
	And that's all very effective speaking in public venues.
	But a film really can reach to people.
	So we thought it would be very valuable and very important to make a movie, a documentary film that shows what, you know, survivors of the Soviet Union went through and their religious persecution in particular, what their lives were like.
	And then to connect the dots to today so that people can see it for themselves in an engaging piece of content of art that they can sit down and enjoy for about an hour and a half.
	Instead of having to slog through a book.
	And the feedback, I'll tell you what, Seb, the feedback I've been getting is unbelievable.
	We'll talk about that in a second.
	The movie has been These Sheep's Clothing.
	You can watch it right now at SalemNow.com.
	That's SalemNow.com.
	The website that is just an absolute treasure trove is NewDiscourses.com.
	We'll get to the feedback in a second, but the thing that always fascinates me about you, James, is you don't have an excuse.
	I have an excuse.
	My father was tortured by secret police.
	He was given a life imprisonment at the age of 20.
	You were a mathematician.
	What drives you, James?
	Tell us what the catalyst was for you to tell the truth so fearlessly.
	You look at what happened in history and you realize, once you realize, I should say, that this can happen here and they're attempting it, you kind of have a choice to make.
	Are you going to try to hide from it?
	Are you going to try to put your head down and weather the storm?
	Are you just going to try to stay comfortable?
	Are you going to ignore it?
	Or are you going to stand up and do everything you can to make sure it doesn't come here?
	And I, you know, did the calculation.
	Let's say, you know, four or five years ago, I thought, well, what if I'm wrong?
	Maybe it's not that bad.
	Well, okay, then I go out and I take my best shot.
	And I embarrass myself a little bit.
	And at the end of the day, there's no communism.
	But if there is communism coming, if I'm right, then I'd better get up every day, find the motivation to do it again, because we're all going to live in slavery.
	At the end of the film, I actually have this, you know, nice scene where I say, here's the deal is that if we don't stand up and fight this now, and now having made the case that this is communism, we're handing our children Starvation, famine, war and maybe having to shoot their way out of a tyrannical regime if that's even possible by then.
	As my friend Justin Moon says, whose father escaped North Korea, you convert yourself into communism but you have to shoot yourself out of communism.
	We're talking to our friend James Lindsay, NewtDiscourses.com.
	The movie is Beneath Sheep's Clothing at SalemNow.com.
	We've only got a few seconds left, James.
	I loved how you told me this in the break before you came on.
	Give us a sense of what is this amazing feedback you're getting about the film?
	I've heard from over a hundred people who have said things like, this movie is going to save the Republic.
	Everybody needs to see it.
	I just spoke with my mutual friend, Charlie Kirk, a few moments ago, and he said a guy randomly came up to him in Albuquerque, New Mexico, saying, you have to see it.
	Charlie said the guy was so excited.
	It's like he had seen the Godfather for the first time.
	And so the movie's really hitting with the audiences that are watching it, and it's making a big mark.
	It's really impacting them.
	Well, then, it is a movie of great significance.
	You need to see it right now.
	The movie is Beneath Sheep's Clothing.
	James Lindsay, Trevor Loudon, and others.
	Go to SalemNow.com.
	That's SalemNow.com.
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	Oh, right.
	Well, it's for the Moms4Liberty thing, so Katie's probably involved in that.
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	All right.
	It's on my calendar, that conference, so... Yes, it is.
	It goes, according to the calendar, it'll go to right about 2.15 p.m., so... What day is it?
	It's a weekday, I believe.
	It's August 30th, which is a Friday.
	Do you want me to print Conrad's article?
	It's about Nixon.
	Yeah, okay.
	I just need titles for Carl and for that.
	Um Bye!
	Finally, a movie that tells the truth about the other side.
	No, just, no, finally a movie that tells the truth.
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	He says it's some like amazing teacher.
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	It's a cleric that's known for loving Hitler and praising Hitler.
	A jihadi cleric who likes Hitler?
	Yes.
	So, Waltz is praising that guy?
	I think so.
	Well, we should listen.
	Eric, would you play that?
	Tim Waltz, the guy who is the Democrat Party's vice presidential nominee.
	Cut 13.
	I would like to, first of all, say thank you to Imam.
	I am a teacher, so when I see a master teacher, I know it.
	Over the time we've spent together, one of the things I've had the privilege of is seeing the things in life through the eye of a master teacher to try and get the understanding.
	The understanding about what?
	Why the Holocaust was good?
	Is that why you like him, Tim Waltz?
	Because he's a great teacher about Jew hatred?
	Is that why Josh Shapiro had to be thrown under the bus?
	Because he's Jewish?
	Wow!
	A great teacher!
	An imam who likes Hitler.
	But it's not just him.
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	make this at home while you're on your birthday no no cheap faker okay so this is Kamala Harris
	two years ago um talking about why humans are bad I guess just listen carefully my friends Cut Eleven
	when we invest in clean energy and electric vehicles and reduce population more of our
	children can breathe clean air and drink clean water
	We have to reduce our... Eric, what does that mean?
	Reduce our... So do we, like, have to kill people so the children have clean air?
	What does reduce the population mean?
	I mean, yeah, it means less humans and there are very few ways to make there be less humans in the world besides a little unpleasant word that starts with the word G.
	Yeah, or you could like have even more abortions, right?
	Yep.
	I guess 800,000 a year isn't enough for Kamala.
	Another word that ends with side.
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	You You
	You catch any of the discussion with President Trump and Elon Musk
	ask.
	Uh, only reading it.
	I didn't hear it, but I read a good deal of it.
	Oh, good.
	All right.
	And I do want to discuss your Nixon article.
	Okay.
	Good.
	All right.
	40 seconds.
	Want to come in with a space?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Oh, good.
	Perfect segue.
	Come in with cut nine.
	Nine.
	One minute long.
	Cut nine.
	All righty.
	All right.
	Don't forget, I beat Biden.
	He failed in the debate miserably.
	And, you know, some people said, oh, gee, it's too bad.
	It's too bad he did so badly.
	Or I did well in the debate.
	You know, the first night they said, Wow.
	One of the people at CNN said that was the greatest debate performance I've ever witnessed.
	And then two days later, they didn't talk about that.
	They just said he was bad.
	But that's OK.
	That's the way I get treated.
	And I don't mind that at all.
	What I can tell you is this.
	We cannot have a Democrat.
	We cannot have her.
	She's incompetent.
	She's as bad as Biden in a different way.
	She hasn't done an interview since this whole Scam started.
	And say what you want, this was a coup.
	This was a coup of a president of the United States.
	He didn't want to leave and they said we can do it the nice way or we can do it the hard way.
	Yeah, I mean they just took him out back behind the shed and basically shot him.
	Oh, what they did with this guy.
	And I'm no fan of his and he was a horrible president.
	The worst president in history.
	They took him out behind the bike shed and they shot him in the head.
	That was Elon Musk yesterday on his two plus hour unfettered interview.
	No talking points with my former boss.
	I've got the whole transcript here, guys.
	If you didn't listen to the whole thing, Shame on you!
	But that's okay.
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	So if you don't have two plus hours to listen to it, go to my Twitter, go to my Instagram and listen to Welcome to Chris Coles' Supercut.
	His Twitter is, of course, MrReaganUSA.
	They jettisoned him after one term in office, which is interesting given the anniversary on August 9th of something that happened 50 years ago to another president.
	We will discuss that and so much more with the author of a fabulous book.
	It must be on your bookshelf.
	The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, From Antiquity to the Caesars 14 Anno Domini, a fan favorite of this show, the one and only Lord Conrad Black.
	Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	Always a pleasure to be with you.
	So we have perfectly timed, given the events of just a few weeks ago with the current incumbent, your latest piece for the New York Sun, August 9th, the 50th anniversary of the retirement as president in the midterm of Richard Nixon.
	Second paragraph opens with this, which I, given my friendship with James Rosen and others who've done sterling work on this of late, as well as your biography, Throughout these 50 years, no conclusive evidence has come to light that President Nixon had personally broken the law.
	And then, the next paragraph, which I would like to expand upon in the next seven minutes while we have you at the top of the show.
	The little remembered, and in the current ecological jargon, inconvenient truth.
	is that President Nixon's one full term in office was surpassed in American history only by Abraham Lincoln's and by the first and third terms of Franklin D. Roosevelt as the most successful single term of any president in the history of the country.
	Maybe we could add my former boss to that list, but expound upon that one term and Nixon's success, Conrad.
	Well, he was the first president since Zachary Taylor to come to—in 1848—to come to office with—this is a surrealistic moment splitting the screen of Mr. Nixon, I never dreamt that would happen—to come to office with his own party holding the majority in either house of Congress.
	That's what he had to contend with.
	And when he came into office, as you will recall, it was the year of the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy.
	Hijacking started up on the airplanes of the country, flying to Cuba and all over the place.
	And there were 545,000 draftees in Vietnam, no exit strategy, 200 to 400 of them coming back dead in body bags every week.
	No discussions going on with the North Vietnamese, despite President Johnson's effort to start them.
	And there were no relations with China.
	Riots all the time, all around the country.
	Race riots, anti-war riots.
	It was a terribly difficult time.
	And four years later, the United States essentially left Vietnam, down to a few thousand people.
	and maintained a non-communist government in Saigon and over 80% of the country.
	It had open relations with China, triangulated the great power relationship.
	Mr. Nixon and his administration negotiated and signed the greatest arms control agreement in history,
	which incidentally reestablished American nuclear superiority in the world.
	Bob McNamara had given away on benefits to President Kennedy and President Johnson.
	And segregation had ended.
	The draft was ending.
	The crime rate was down.
	The country was prosperous and serene.
	And for all of those, and he founded the Environmental Protection Agency.
	He was quite an environment-minded president, but not Not an anti-capitalist, anti-oil and gas warrior like the EPA is now.
	And this is why he was re-elected by the greatest plurality in American history, 18 million votes.
	It had nothing to do with nonsense and the Watergate.
	And that plurality of 18 million votes stands today, even though the electorate is almost twice as big.
	I mean, Reagan won in his second term by $15 million, but no one's got to $18 million.
	What is the correct way?
	I mean, you've written biographies on him, on Roosevelt, and your library of books are a must-read.
	Because the conventional wisdom is, okay, he's a crook, he was involved with the burglars, he's a misanthrope, not a very warm person.
	How much of the real Nixon, I'm curious personally, was shaped by his Quaker background?
	That was certainly an element.
	I mean, his family were completely opposed to any discrimination against people of other color.
	He would have the African-American young people in his school home to lunch with him as a young man in California, you know, as a teenager.
	And so that part of the Quaker thing and the self-help, hard work, diligence, His father would not accept any kind of socialized benefit.
	And they took their holidays in the national parks because they didn't have enough money to pay for a real holiday.
	And this is one of the reasons that Mr. Nixon, as president, so greatly expanded the national park system.
	And so, and why he was an authentic environmentalist without being an anti-capitalist lunatic about it, like most of our Green terrorists are now.
	And so that part was there.
	Now, in addition, he was at times clearly a slightly neurotic man.
	And he had had so many hard knocks that he tended to be a bit of a hard baller himself.
	But he was absolutely scrupulously honest financially.
	And scrupulously honest as a patriot.
	He could have challenged the 1960 election, and President Eisenhower urged him to do it.
	5,000 margin in Illinois, big state.
	He refused to do it.
	He thought it would be bad for the country to be virtually without a government in the midst of the Cold War.
	If he put his case properly, I think he could have established that there was no evidence that he himself I mean, he was a man of great integrity and courage in many ways.
	justified removing him from office in the Watergate affair, but he thought the whole
	thing had become such a disgrace and an embarrassment to the country, the national interest would
	be better served by his retiring.
	So he was a man of great integrity and courage in many ways.
	As to the allegations about him personally, I mean, I only knew him in his last five years
	he had really, you know, he had assimilated all that had happened in his long and tumultuous
	career and was fairly relaxed about the whole thing.
	You know, the phrase of Milton, my soul serene, all passion spent.
	And he was a delightful man.
	He had a good sense of humor.
	He was extraordinarily intelligent and had, I mean, he had such a memory that At the height of his time as a piano player, which was before he became a prominent politician, he could do 200 different lengthy pieces of music.
	I don't mean just a single song, I mean a symphony or something.
	Even though he didn't read music, he memorized all of it.
	That's stunning.
	Your biography of him is life-changing.
	In full.
	Richard Dixon and Life in full.
	Your more recent work that I warmly recommend to everybody as well is A Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1.
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	with Lord Black in a moment.
	Thanks.
	Thanks a lot. He was an astonishing character. I mean, he was a great character. He was a,
	I remember I had a dinner for him here in Toronto.
	In fact, there's a picture from it on the shelf behind me.
	I don't know if you can see it though.
	And he spoke without a note, without a hesitation, For about 45 minutes.
	A brilliant address.
	And then he said, I'm enjoying myself.
	I'll take questions.
	I won't pretend to know if I don't know, but try anything you want.
	Sports, politics, whatever is in your mind.
	And he stayed on in that role for another 45 minutes.
	Then we repaired downstairs, drinks in hand, and continued for a while.
	And it was a relatively highbrow group I had, and he absolutely knocked our hats off.
	Nobody could imagine that a man of, he was then just short of 80 years old, would have such a command of so many different subjects.
	They put to him questions about, you know, football and baseball 30 years ago, or the current season, and half the countries in the world.
	He always had a thoughtful answer about everything.
	How much... Eric, I'm going to do Truth Warriors and then I'm going to tee up Cut Three from Elon yesterday.
	How much of the Trump presidency is Kissinger's doing?
	Of the Nixon presidency?
	Of the Nixon, yeah.
	Yeah.
	He was... One has to be fair here.
	And to some extent, Henry benefited from the controversial manner of Mr. Nixon's departure, and people tended to give him credit for things that Nixon deserved at least some of the credit for.
	It varies from place to place.
	He was a superb foreign minister at the basic task of doing what the president whom he served asked him to do.
	Beyond that, he initiated policy ideas in a number of areas, particularly in the Middle East, and deserves really, I think, a great deal of credit for the start and progress of a peace process in the Middle East.
	The China initiative was Nixon's doing.
	I mean, Kissinger was a facilitator and an important participant But the whole idea was Nixon's, and initially Henry didn't think it was going to go anywhere.
	So I would say that Henry Kissinger was a brilliant Secretary of State and a marvelous executant of a policy, and a co-author of a very successful foreign policy in all of the major areas of the world.
	There was not a single important area of the world that they didn't have.
	A policy for, and a policy that in general was successful.
	Opening to China.
	Standby, 30 seconds.
	Truth Warriors?
	Stand by, 30 seconds.
	Truth Warriors?
	Yes.
	I'll come in with three.
	I'm going to start with a little bit of a different one.
	I think this is a fundamental existential issue for the United States.
	And if we have another four more years, Of open borders, and it's going to be even worse with another four more years.
	It's going to be even worse than it's been for the past, you know, three and a half years.
	I'm not sure we've got a country.
	You don't have a country.
	Elon, if they get in, you will have 50 to 60 million people from all over the world, not South America only.
	You know, we think of South America.
	We think of Honduras and El Salvador, Guatemala.
	And Mexico, you know, the four.
	But it's not that it's everywhere.
	They're coming in from everywhere.
	And I had to stay in.
	Yeah, I think this is a this is a super important point.
	Like people, it's like, well, basically, when I went down there, I was like, well, where are people from?
	It's like it's like almost no one was from Mexico.
	No, Mexico.
	It's just it's just it's just the border.
	It's just the border with Mexico.
	But the people coming in, it's it's it's Earth, the rest of Earth.
	And America is is only You know, about four, four or five percent of the population of Earth.
	It would only take a few percent of the rest of Earth to overwhelm everything.
	We're already overwhelmed.
	We're overwhelmed.
	You had to see the news tonight about New York, New York.
	And I love that place and what they're doing to it is horrible.
	Just a snippet from yesterday's two-hour-plus discussion between Elon Musk and President Trump.
	As of 28 minutes ago, 25 million people have listened on X on Twitter to the interview from start to finish, 25 million, and there are 2.9 Billion impressions, okay?
	Meaning people who've touched upon it at some point with nine million posts related to the interview alone.
	Have we broken conventional media?
	We will ask our good friend Conrad in a moment.
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	Domini.
	Lord Black, you helmed a media giant, the Hollinger Group.
	You write regularly for the New York Post and others, the New York Sun today and others.
	What is the significance?
	Is it too early to tell that the richest man in the world who just paid 44 billion dollars for Twitter had an extemporaneous discussion with the leader of the opposition for two hours?
	What other politician would do that?
	And what does it mean for the establishment media, Conrad?
	Well, I...
	It was a meeting that invited humorous reflection and has undoubtedly received some.
	I note that the Harris campaign described it as an exchange between the two people you hate the most, which to me is indicative of how worrisome they found the whole thing.
	But look, I think it shows.
	I want to Be careful here not to shoot from the hip, but I think it shows, I mean, the facts of it, including in particular this business of 2.9 billion hits and 25 million people listening to it or reading it in its entirety.
	I would say that is if it wasn't, if it was, if it was possible to wake the dead, I would say that would be a wake-up call for the so-called legacy media.
	I mean, let me just put this into context for a second, because I know this from my time in the White House, because they prioritized media requests from the legacy cable media based upon Nielsen figures.
	And back when we were in the White House, on a good night, CNN would have two million viewers, and the number one show, which was either Hannity or Tucker, they vied for each other, the number one cable show On a good night would have four or five million viewers.
	We're just talking about 25 million people who've watched two and a half hours of that interview.
	I mean, nobody gets those figures in the news media today.
	You know, but those men and they have their critics, obviously, both of them.
	But they're two of the greatest stars in America.
	And America operates and I mean, it's a has a constitutional structure, but it has a parallel Celebrity structure.
	And Donald Trump is a man who spans them both.
	And he must be the most famous person in the world.
	And certainly he's been a prominent figure in the United States for more than 30 years.
	And Elon Musk is not only allegedly the wealthiest man in the world, but is a huge celebrity in his own right, because he is an unusual character.
	And not just because of as well.
	So you with all due respect, it's not like Anderson Cooper, Dana Bash or something.
	I mean, I'm not no rap on them, particularly, but I don't watch them myself, but nothing against them.
	But these are two mighty celebrities.
	So they are going to pull a big, big audience.
	But with all that said, I think that the whole Look, I may be completely wrong.
	Of course, we all may be at any time in expressing an opinion, but I think this idea that this is a close election is a construct.
	I think it's a confection.
	I think it's a bunk.
	The fact is, I think the great majority of Americans know they were better off under Trump.
	Trump is a more competent person than Harris.
	All the old business about Trump hate has gone, not vanished, but Declined radically, because he isn't a sort of, as he was represented by his enemies, a sort of boastful, boorish man.
	He's an underdog, even though he's a billionaire and an ex-president, successfully fighting a spurious perversion of the justice system.
	And he's not running against an abstraction whom they allowed to sit in his basement and masquerade as a moderate.
	He's running against the Ambassador of one of the most inept regimes in the history of the country, probably the most inept, and the country is facing real problems that will reach a flood tide if that gang, minus its figurehead, continues for another four years.
	So, I mean, I think what you saw is an indication of where public opinion really is.
	People may like or not like Trump, but very few people in the end, in my opinion, comparatively.
	There should be millions who don't, but A minority, a distinct minority, will have any doubt answering the question of who's the best bet for the country by striking the lever for Trump.
	And President Trump on one of his first new posts on Twitter did ask the rather Reagan-esque question, are you better off than you were four years ago?
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	I'm short.
	Yeah.
	Interesting times.
	Do you think my comment at the end there was too optimistic?
	I live in Washington, D.C.
	or in and around the environment.
	So I'm going to say 84 days in politics is a lifetime.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	Fair comment.
	But last night was... Twelve weeks a day is the voting.
	Mind you, most of the ballots aren't cast on election day anymore.
	In the Commonwealth, I mean, think of this, Conrad.
	I live in Virginia, where we have a putative Republican governor.
	Because he doesn't have the statehouse, we have 45 days of voting in Virginia, Conrad.
	It's obscene.
	It's obscene.
	Insane.
	It's just insane.
	And it's impossible to police it.
	I mean, it's very hard to avoid skelduggery when when people have 45 days.
	Well, and not only that, my wife, who's a chief election officer in the Commonwealth, the cost, because we have to have those polling stations open, open and land.
	Yeah, but but also just the scrutiny process.
	Yeah.
	When I'm from Quebec originally, and There was a slogan that was in use in that province for many years, more in French than in English, but vote as you like, but vote often.
	Well, you can do that.
	If you can vote for 45 days, you can vote.
	Just like Chicago.
	Vote early and vote often, right?
	You know, in Chicago, they're still officially looking for some of the ballot boxes from 1960.
	They should ask the Kennedy compound.
	You're the Daily Family.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	That was super fun.
	Okay, good.
	Yeah, enjoyed it.
	We'll see you next week then.
	See you next week.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye.
	All right.
	Let's do Nixon separately.
	Okay.
	You're the Nixon guy.
	Give me a good title.
	Why Richard Nixon is So Misunderstood.
	Yeah, that's good.
	No, why everyone has Nixon wrong.
	Let's make it stronger.
	Why everyone has Nixon wrong.
	And then, why the Trump-Elon interview matters.
	Okay, we'll save Goldman for the next one.
	What's a good one here?
	Oh, and you've got 15 as the Washington Post guy, right?
	Oh, that's... I have it as 16.
	Okay, is it ready?
	Yeah, it's ready.
	Does Katie know she's doing the one-on-one tomorrow?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Is she coming in or Skype?
	I think she'll come in.
	Come in with a six and then I'll do my pillow.
	Six pillow, all right?
	Okay.
	I'm going to go get my stuff.
	I'll be right back.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go get my stuff.
	I'm just saying to people out there, the things I think are important for the future is we've got to have safe cities, we've got to have secure borders, we've got to have sensible spending, and we've got to have deregulation so we can have a prosperous future.
	And then we want to have some exciting sort of moonshot projects that people can get fired up about.
	And that's the future I'm looking for.
	You know, I'm pro-environment, but I'm not against, you know, I don't think we should vilify the oil and gas industry because they're keeping civilization going right now.
	But I do think we want to move, you know, at reasonable speed towards a sustainable energy economy.
	Those are my values.
	And I think, you know, and so, I mean, that's why I'm supporting you for president.
	I'm supporting you for president.
	I think he endorsed him like three times yesterday.
	Because we need borders.
	We need safe cities.
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	Let's go to... Oh, what happened to the guy who said he's seeing Kamala ads everywhere in... Jeff, what did that caller have as proof that he's only seen Kamala ads in the battleground states?
	Does he live in all those battleground states?
	Yeah, he actually... He watches local baseball over the country, so he actually was right there.
	Okay, do you buy that criticism?
	No.
	Okay.
	And I also think that it's going to be a big push after Labor Day when people pay attention and the convention's over.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	We haven't discussed this.
	You diligently worked on all the cuts I requested yesterday from the Elon interview with President Trump.
	What's your take of that two hours and ten minutes?
	I think it was just a relaxed conversation.
	Like I said, it kind of reminded me of like a Joe Rogan podcast.
	Yeah.
	And it was just so not scripted.
	I would love to see Kamala try to do it just for 20 minutes.
	That's what I would love to see.
	Oh, well, it's not going to happen, but I mean, Elon invited her, but what do you think of its significance politically?
	We're like 84 days out.
	What do you think the impact of it is?
	Does it have an impact?
	I think it's got to, but I'm noticing, I know my algorithms a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, I think it's going to have an impact.
	on YouTube. There's a million different people that have posted on YouTube and they're getting
	millions of views there. People talked about it on Rumble.
	It's kind of all over the place.
	I think it definitely has a good impact. And what I like about it is what Elon first said,
	he said, I want to do a non-hostile interview just to see the different side of him that
	way. Yeah, yeah. No, I think it's going to have an impact.
	Let's go to Greg Chandler, Arizona, waiting very patiently. Yeah, on that note, and I
	also have an idea for a t-shirt too, if you've got a quick second.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	On that note, as far as where it's seen, you mentioned 25 million people watched it on X. I'm not on X, and a lot of other people that I also know are not on X. I'm not a social media person.
	But I am on Rumble, and I love Rumble.
	So the notification popped up from, like, two or three different people here come listen to it live.
	So I did.
	Well, the one that I listened to had over 230,000 active people on the channel listening to what I would assume is the one person's feed from X that's been distributed.
	Right.
	So how many of those people that were on there, how many other hundreds of thousands of people were listening, or millions, based on listening to somebody else's feed?
	So the footprint of this is even bigger than... Yeah, no, that's a really good point.
	That's a really good point.
	What's your t-shirt idea, Greg?
	Oh, the verbiage I don't have down, but I would love to welcome Kamala Harris to the Republican Party.
	She wants strong borders.
	She wants no taxes on tips.
	And there was a third one and I forgot what it was, but it's just super simple.
	Welcome to the Republican Party, Kamala.
	That's actually quite funny.
	You'd have to explain the logic in a way that doesn't fit on a t-shirt, but I like the way you think, Greg.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's give him our Kamala t-shirt, which is half of Kamala's face with the half of Biden, which is, if you vote for her, you get four more years of him.
	That's good, Craig.
	I like it.
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	So we still, we've played quite a few cards.
	We need to do 16, we need to do 15, we need to do 14.
	These are all super important.
	Come in with Doocy.
	12.
	All right.
	And then I'll do PhD and then I'll probably... I'll probably do 14.
	Okay.
	And then we'll see.
	All righty.
	Then we'll see.
	Why do they take... I don't understand why he takes questions from Doocy.
	Look, he's doing it right now.
	Why does Binder, why did KJP take questions from Doocy?
	To appear fair, I guess?
	I wouldn't give a fig about that.
	Maybe it makes them feel good because they always come away from it feeling like they owned him.
	Yeah, right.
	They believe it, of course.
	It's not true, but they believe it.
	What is the stream?
	TheStream?
	TheStream.org.
	Already heard about it?
	No.
	I've not heard of that, no.
	TheStream.org?
	Mm-hmm.
	It's on Twitter.
	That's news to me.
	Come in with 12.
	Scooter McDooder.
	I'm going to be doing a review of the Scooter McDooder.
	How long have you guys known that Vice President Harris does not think President Biden is doing a good job at the border?
	Wait, say that one more time?
	Well, she's now promising to hire thousands more border agents than there are now under President Biden.
	Wait, let's start your question again.
	How long have you guys known that Vice President Harris does not think that President Biden is effective with his border policy?
	I mean, you're making a huge jump.
	She did not say this.
	This is something that you are assuming.
	I don't understand why you would assume that.
	It's not true.
	She has a campaign ad where she is saying they need more border patrol agents.
	If President Biden's doing such a good job, why do they need any more border agents?
	We might believe that.
	The President does want more border patrol agents.
	You know who's getting in the way?
	You know who's getting in the way?
	Republicans in Congress.
	They're getting in the way.
	You know who else is getting in the way?
	The former president.
	Donald Trump.
	He's getting in the way.
	That's so weird.
	Jeff, we had like a border that was really secure, especially under Title 42.
	How did so many people come in if President Trump wasn't in charge?
	So they're good on the border now?
	I don't know, it's just this new thing.
	I just really like to rewrite history.
	I mean, they're doing a lot of it, but they're trying to rewrite history from like four months ago.
	It doesn't work that well.
	And she's laughing about it.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	The next cut from the White House press briefing yesterday.
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	So the next thing you're going to hear is the Washington Post's correspondent in the White House asking yesterday, oh my gosh, Somebody's going to interview President Trump and he's got lots of followers and his name is Elon.
	Can Joe stop it?
	Cut 16.
	Elon Musk is slated to interview Donald Trump tonight on X. I don't know if the President is going to tune in.
	Feel free to say if he is or not.
	But I think that misinformation on Twitter is not just a campaign issue, it's an American issue.
	What role does the White House or the President have in stopping that or stopping the spread of that?
	sort of intervening in that. Some of that was about campaign misinformation, but you know,
	it's a wider thing, right? Yeah, no, and you've heard us talk about this many times from here
	about the responsibilities that social media platforms have when it comes to misinformation,
	disinformation. So I guess, Eric, the Washington Post wants a big red button that that Corringe
	or Biden can just press and like delete accounts.
	Elon Musk's interviewing the president.
	Delete!
	To me, the most astounding thing is that they've stopped even trying to hide it.
	Like, now they're just straight up asking, uh, can you please ban them, please, sir?
	Can you please ban them?
	And they know no one's gonna cover it.
	No one's gonna talk about it.
	Except us.
	I just sent you this incredible image.
	Sean Davis reposted it.
	This is like a montage of every mainstream media outlet's negative headline with regards to a stream that 2.9 billion people have listened to.
	Newsweek.
	Donald Trump's lisps during Elon Musk interview.
	USA Today.
	Trump rambles, slurs his way through Elon Musk interview.
	The Guardian out of the UK.
	So Donald chatted with Elon and here's the future they see.
	Losers win in competence rules.
	Sean Davis reposted this and said, These are the outlets.
	All of these outlets are the ones you ignore or you mock mercilessly.
	And you're absolutely right.
	God bless Sean Davis.
	Ignore them or mock them until no one watches them.
	No one reads them.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to Rick, Phoenix, Arizona.
	Line one.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	Say, plagiarism seems to be a genetic trait of the left, but I am glad that Kamala plagiarized President Trump's tax on tips idea, because now President Trump can say, Kamala made our choice in November easy, Why vote for a cheap copy when you can get the original on the border, on the economy, on crime?
	That's actually good.
	It's a little bit like what I said with regards to Governor DeSantis when he was trying to paint himself as the new manga guy.
	And my argument was, why do you go, why would you buy tickets to the tribute band's show if the original band is still playing?
	I like the way you think.
	Nicely done, Rick.
	Let's go to Dave in Arizona, line two.
	Thanks, Dr. Gorka.
	Ultra-mega chameleon Kamala Dittos from State 48.
	I was able to go to her event here in Glendale on Friday, but I wanted to throw out a t-shirt idea quickly for you.
	Go ahead.
	A picture of the two Kamala Harrises, one the chameleon, the other one the professional wrestler from the WWF.
	And then the script is, which one got more DNC votes?
	And you can put it under the bottom.
	We both got zero!
	Who's the wrestler?
	Say that again.
	Oh, there's a wrestler named James Kamala Harris.
	He was in the WWF.
	But not with the same... Are you serious?
	You're a big wrestling fan, right?
	Alex, you can fact-check that for me, right?
	This big Ugandan wrestler called Kamala.
	giant he has a big moon on his belly and a couple of stars on his chest and the
	same the same spelling Dave sir yes sir his name is Wow Arthur Harris Wow you're a big wrestling fan right and Alex
	you can fact-check that for me right this big Ugandan wrestler called Kamala
	sure that sounds like a CNN fact check
	Alright, I'm going to look into that.
	That's fascinating, Dave.
	Wow, great calls today.
	Oh my gosh, good stuff guys, good stuff.
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	Why is that breaking news?
	Please.
	Because he's a Democrat.
	Yeah, right.
	Yeah, James Arthur Harris, aka Kamala, was indeed.
	He was also nicknamed the Ugandan Giant.
	He died in 2020 at the age of 70.
	in 2020 at the age of 70.
	70, wow.
	We just did.
	Yeah, we talked about it.
	We haven't played 15 yet.
	Can you play 14?
	There's no way it's a mild strike.
	It was a mild strike.
	Hi, my name's Sally Hartman.
	I'm a volunteer with the Center for Worker Justice.
	I want to know, when you become president, would you be committing to close the immigration detention centers?
	Absolutely, on day one.
	They won.
	Not they won.
	Wow.
	You said you want to save 15 for another day then?
	Or?
	No, I'm going to use 15.
	Goldman.
	Alright.
	I'll just tee it up.
	Katie first.
	Katie first.
	And I'm going to play a little bit of the song.
	I'm going to play a little bit of the song.
	Snowflakes got you down.
	Had enough of Nancy and Chuck?
	Well, the Doctor is in the house.
	Coming at you live, America first, with Doctor G.
	I love that.
	We need to use that a lot.
	Nighted Truck got you down.
	Jeff, what about this chap, Dan Goldman?
	Is he up there with AOC as one of the dumbest people on Capitol Hill?
	He's one of the most arrogant on Capitol Hill, usually.
	But a combination, right?
	Because he's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, is he?
	No, he's one of these trust fund kids, too.
	How delightful is it to see a Fox regular, not exactly a manga guy, grill him?
	I loved it because he didn't expect it to be coming at all.
	He didn't see that.
	It's so good.
	Fifteen.
	Dan Goldman melts down.
	If I'm Donald Trump, I understand why he doesn't want a debate.
	Kamala Harris is a... He's accepted three.
	He said yes to September 4th, September 10th, September 17th.
	He said yes to a lot of them, so it's not that he's obviously afraid to debate.
	No, no, no.
	So, no, no, no.
	He had agreed to September 10th.
	It was Biden who got pushed out.
	What's the difference?
	Why should he not debate whoever the candidate is on September 10th as he agreed to?
	What is the difference between candidate Biden and candidate Harris?
	No, no, it's fine.
	He said he would do it.
	I'm just saying he's also agreed to other debates.
	You said he hasn't agreed to others.
	He has.
	It's the Kamala Harris campaign that hasn't agreed on the other side.
	No, no, no, no!
	We have a narrative!
	How dare you, Brett Barrett!
	That's delicious.
	I think we're going to have to make that an evergreen.
	Awaiting patiently in Los Angeles, Brent, line three, hit me.
	Blessings, Maga Gorka.
	Greetings.
	Share your wisdom, quickly.
	For me, the honest, courageous, common-sense conversation between President Trump and Elon
	Musk was not only historically unprecedented and brilliant in global substance, but even
	more urgent and significant was the attempted free speech assassination upon our right to
	hear what they have to say.
	This criminal, unconstitutional, and horrifying hacking of their transmission should terrify
	every American who still believes in truth, honesty, freedom, and who pray to save America's
	democracy from Obama's, Biden's, and Harris' deep state democracy of absolute dictatorship.
	Not only the hacking which delayed it by 40 minutes, but also we played the Washington Post saying, why can't Biden stop this?
	Just delete Elon.
	And then, I haven't even touched upon this, the EU Commissioner, the Commissar, telling Elon, You better not promote hate speech!
	And so funny that he actually demanded that on Elon's Platform X. Yeah, I don't think they got the irony.
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	you you
	and if you put me back in the White House their reign is over
	Their reign will be over.
	And they know it.
	And America will be a free nation once again.
	We're not a free nation right now.
	We don't have free press.
	We don't have free anything.
	In 2016, I declared, I am your voice.
	Today, I add, I am your warrior.
	I am your justice.
	And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.
	I am your retribution.
	Not gonna let this happen.
	One of the president's most provocative speeches at CPAC, I am your retribution.
	Why?
	And is that what led to his attempted assassination less than a month ago in Butler, Pennsylvania?
	Is it linked to a new taxonomy, a new category of politics, national populism?
	Perhaps we should ask a chap who wrote a book with that title.
	And national populism, the revolt against liberal democracy, Roger Eatwell and Matthew Goodwin.
	We are delighted to have Professor Goodwin with us here on America First, one on one.
	Great to be with you.
	So, Dr. Goodwin, I saw you with my friends.
	You gave a fascinating interview on the Trigonometry podcast with Frances Foster and Constance Kiersten, and that's why you're on the show.
	We like to poach and borrow the best guests from around the world, and this is a rather good show.
	For those unfamiliar with your name here in America, you have perhaps the most popular You're a senior advisor for the Legatum Institute.
	It's hard to put you in a box.
	I wouldn't say you were cautious in that interview, but you're not the typical conservative commentator, nor the head-in-the-clouds, ivory tower academic.
	So, Matthew Goodwin.
	Who is Matthew Goodwin, and what has he done?
	What a question.
	Well, firstly, thank you for inviting me on.
	It's great to be with you and your viewers and your listeners.
	I'm speaking to you here from a very sunny United Kingdom, but also a very restless and divided United Kingdom.
	We've got riots and unrest sweeping across the country.
	I'm sure we'll come and talk about that in a second.
	I mean, who am I?
	I'm an academic.
	I'm a commentator.
	I'm a frustrated citizen.
	So I'm looking out at my country and I'm seeing the dire effects of the policy decisions that were taken by both The established left and right governments over the last 25 years.
	Mass immigration, the breakdown of our borders, a model of multiculturalism which isn't working anymore, a political class in Westminster, and I suspect this will sound familiar to my cousins in America, but a political class in Westminster which is not listening to the forgotten majority in this country, particularly when it comes to those big
	social and cultural questions around migration, the rise of radical Islam within European
	societies, the advance of woke ideology.
	So I've become increasingly outspoken.
	I'm not a traditional academic by any means in that sense.
	I don't lean strongly to the left.
	I didn't campaign against Brexit.
	I didn't have a sort of meltdown when Donald Trump was elected in 2016 and now he's back and I suspect will end up winning in November.
	Let's see.
	I'm basically an academic that reflects the mindset of the vast majority of people in this country.
	That was, the one phrase in there that I think proves I made the right choice of inviting you on the show is, I'm a frustrated citizen.
	That one sentence explains I think much of what you've written about in your books on your sub stack and much of which we have to analyze if we're to understand.
	I think populism has become a pejorative word, the left has made it such, so whatever we want to call it, but the new, the recrudescence Of a politics that represents as many people as possible, which seems to be a function that the establishment parties on left and right are incapable of, and thus the rise of my former boss President Trump, thus the rise of Nigel Farage.
	I wish we could talk for hours and we could do it in person over a cigar and an adult beverage, so I'm not going to waste any time.
	I wrote this one sentence down from your interview and I think it's probably the most Circumspect the most sagacious thing you said.
	Conservatives have seeded the issues of family, children's welfare, women's rights, history and national identity in a way to allow it to be reframed as culture wars and are on the defensive.
	Now that is a deep statement.
	I'd like for you to help me to unpack it.
	What does it mean that they've allowed it to be reframed?
	And why on God's earth?
	Are they running from this?
	I mean, you know, the common sense approach, and I think Americans are, you know, by dint of many things defined by their common sense, being pro-family or protecting children or women is like, yeah, duh, as we say, and it's non-negotiable.
	How did we get to a point where that's been labeled as culture wars and quote-unquote institutional conservatives run from it at Mach 3?
	Yeah, well, I think it's a great question.
	And just before I answer it, it's great to be with a fellow cigar smoker as well.
	So next time you're in the UK, let me take you to the shop where Winston Churchill got his cigars, which is in Green Park, London.
	And we can go and discuss this at length.
	That's a deal.
	The lads took me to a very nice place near Regents Park last time and the cigars were rather expensive, but we'll go Dutch.
	That's the influence of China, but that's another discussion.
	So let me answer the question here.
	OK, so what's happened?
	Look, my frustration is when you look at all of the issues you just talked about, you know, we should be proud of our history.
	We should be proud of Western civilization, the greatest civilization ever.
	created, we should be proud of our values, we should be proud of how we created and advanced
	and protected individual liberty and freedom, we should defend our women, we should defend our
	children, and we should be very supportive of family. All of these issues, if I polled those
	issues, and I'm a pollster as well, 75-80% of people would say, look, I think all of this makes
	complete sense.
	But what we've got is a generation of conservative leaders, particularly here in Britain, in the UK, but I think in America, you had many of the same people prior to 2016.
	who look at these issues as low status issues.
	They don't really know what to do.
	Explain that. You mean low priority or it affects their status if they champion them?
	If I were to go into Westminster and have a pint at a pub and talk to an average conservative MP and say,
	you know what, we should really do something about the family.
	We've got a collapsing birth rate in this country. It's 1.5.
	The replacement rate is 2.1. The forecast suggests Britain will have a birth rate of 1.3 by the end of this century.
	We're not reproducing ourselves. The confident people reproduce us.
	themselves, we're not currently doing that. Let's get some policies in place, let's support
	the family, let's talk about the family. Most British Tory MPs would say, oh that's a bit
	toxic, that's low status, that's a bit, you know, it's a bit sort of populist.
	It's out there on the fringes.
	I don't think we should talk about that.
	And I think basically what's happened is the political class has gradually moved over to the cultural left over the last 20 years.
	We've got a lot of surveys here, Seb, in the UK that show this.
	So your average Conservative MP, now think about this, the average Conservative MP politician is closer to the average left-wing Labour politician than they are to voters on these cultural questions.
	So the political class has drifted over to the cultural left, leaving lots of people saying, well, hang on a minute.
	Why are you embracing all of this woke ideology?
	Why are you telling us that girls can become boys and boys can become girls?
	Why are you telling us suddenly that Britain should be ashamed of its history?
	I mean, you know, come on, let's get real.
	You know, what's happening here?
	And I think it is The way in which the political elites have drifted over to the left.
	So Nigel Farage, who of course is an ally of Donald Trump, he's campaigned alongside President Trump at the stadiums and the rallies.
	The reason he's done so well at the recent election, getting 14% of the vote, five members of Parliament in the House of Commons, he got nearly 100 second places, leading him very well positioned for the next election.
	The reason he's done well is he's saying, you know what, I'm going to talk about these issues.
	I'm going to say I want to reduce mass immigration.
	I want to end that policy.
	I want an immediate freeze on immigration.
	He's saying he wants an immediate ban on woke ideology, particularly in schools among our young people.
	He's saying that he wants to root out diversity, equity and inclusion in all of our public institutions.
	And to be honest, he's also the only one Who's really talking about radical Islam within British society.
	Segregation in communities.
	And even there, I've seen Nigel be a little bit of terpsichore here.
	You could tell that's the one issue where he goes, live TV, where he's like, what can I say?
	What can't I say?
	And that's from Nigel.
	So I want to continue the discussion in a moment, staying on this topic, the disconnect between the voters and the political elites.
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	Professor, maybe it's a function of these Labour and Conservative politicians all having
	gone to Harrow and Eton and then Oxford and Cambridge together, but even if they're from
	the same socialization units, I still can't credit...
	What I hear from my friends in the UK, which I see here with the analogue of the Democrats or the RINOs, the Republicans in name only, it's like they have double-digit IQs.
	They can't fathom the obvious that having no borders or giving money to our enemies, In the case of the current administration here giving billions of dollars to Iran are bad things or shipping the jobs of the working class in tens of millions out of the country to China or Mexico will be detrimental not only for the nation and the working class but for their political survival.
	So I know you're not a psychiatrist but this is a wall I bang up against again and again and again.
	How do these people Just simply not get it.
	I know they go to the fancy restaurants and they read the right Twitter accounts, but at some point doesn't reality impinge upon their lives?
	Well, I think there are two points I would make in response to that.
	The first is one that I'm actually stealing by a friend of mine, Rob Henderson, Dr. Rob Henderson, who's at Cambridge.
	And Rob was really the guy who came up with this wonderful phrase, luxury beliefs.
	And he drew on a long line of research in sociology, because what he said is, Actually, what we've got today in the West is an elite class that basically derives their status, their sense of esteem, their sense of moral righteousness over everybody else from a particular cluster of luxury beliefs, their passionate support for immigration, their woke ideology, their calls for open borders or to defund the police.
	And Rob made a really good point.
	He said the thing about those ideas is they bring people in the elite class very few or no costs at all.
	But they impose enormous costs on everybody else.
	The most obvious example of that would be mass immigration, which we know from the literature has had a disproportionately negative effect on working class voters in Western economies.
	Globalisation, another example.
	There's a good reason why People like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are sceptical about globalisation without having some kind of preference for national economies because over the period between the 1990s and the 2000s it completely blew apart working class communities in America and Northern England.
	And so Rob says, look, you know, this luxury belief class, it's actually not interested in winning support from the masses because they're projecting these beliefs to try and win status and applause from other members of the elite class.
	And I think that is really a critical thing as to what's going on.
	And just just if I can briefly, The other idea in psychology is this idea of belief reinforcement.
	But even when you're wrong, even when the evidence is overwhelming that things like mass migration are weakening Western societies and economies, people hate being wrong.
	So what they do is they double down and they essentially radicalise even more.
	And you can see this with the Democrats in the US.
	You can see it, by the way, over here.
	We've got a new Labour government, a very left-wing government, which in response to the most significant riots and protests that we've just had, Here on the streets of England in response to mass immigration, the Labour government has said, well, we're going to have even more immigration over the next five years.
	That's belief reinforcement.
	That's a government that's not listening.
	It's just doubling down on its existing beliefs.
	And that's a dangerous government.
	Yeah, you wonder that at some point, if you've been doing something for years on end, and it threatens your political survival, that even the belief reinforcement function would be somehow undermined by the expectation that you need to survive politically.
	I guess not.
	Yeah, I mean I think maybe that's part of it.
	I think also for many people, I know in America John McWhorter at Columbia has made this argument, that for many people on the left of politics today, this has become a new religion for these people.
	They view their support for open borders, they view their support for defund the police, they view their support for gender ideology as something equivalent to a new religion that you cannot question, you cannot criticise, because if you do, that's blasphemous.
	You know, you have the rituals, taking the knee, shouting Black Lives Matter or Allah Akbar, as we saw in the streets of England this week, where we had many British Muslims expressing a pretty A sort of slogan that I don't personally want to hear shouted on the streets of England.
	For many people I think this project that we're in, this elite project, isn't actually political at all.
	I think it is a new religion for these people.
	It's become almost like a cult.
	And if you question it, as I've been doing on social media, I know you've been doing it because I follow you on social media, if you question this religion, if you criticize it, They come after you, like a religious cult.
	They try and cancel you.
	They try and harass you.
	They try and intimidate you.
	They try and take away your livelihood.
	So it takes a few brave people, I think, to quote a recent politician, to fight, fight, fight, but to stand their ground and not cede any territory.
	Yeah, we'll talk about what's happening in the UK momentarily.
	Shocking, shocking imagery from the streets of cities like Leeds, and then the response from the police is perhaps even worse.
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	Just a month ago, the attempted assassination that came within one-eighth of an inch of succeeding,
	killing President Trump, was the plan.
	But for the last moment, his turning his head to a graph of illegal immigration that was being broadcast on a wide screen at the rally, that's what saved his life.
	His speaking truthfully about illegal immigration into this nation, more than 20 million in three and a half years.
	The number is not that bad in the UK, but it has led to violence on the streets.
	The death of three beautiful young girls recently was the trigger for that.
	Matt, I grew up in the UK under Margaret Thatcher.
	It had a place in my heart.
	I don't recognize it anymore when I go back.
	I see lots of tweets from people I know and people who I've respected in the past saying this is it, this is the breaking point, we're on the edge of civil war.
	Can you explain to American listeners and viewers what your measure is of the situation and whether this is a seminal moment in British history?
	Well the first thing to say is I'm personally quite glad that Margaret Thatcher is not around to see the state of the country today, if I'm honest with you Seth, but that's another point.
	Look, what is happening is we've reached a watershed moment in this country.
	A son of two immigrants from Rwanda wandered into a dance class, a Taylor Swift dance class for toddlers, and he stabbed to death three of those young girls.
	He injured another eight.
	He was then apprehended by the police.
	It's important to say, Seb, that that wasn't the only incident.
	in that week.
	We also had young gangs of second, third generation migrant youths holding machetes and knives running around the coastal town of Southend-on-Sea.
	We had a British Army officer almost stabbed to death by, again, somebody from a minority background.
	But in the aftermath of those stabbings of those little girls, many people hit the streets.
	They were frustrated.
	They rioted.
	They protested those riots spread across the country.
	And the reaction to those riots from the political class and the police, I think many people have found staggering.
	The Labour left-wing government immediately branded those protests as far-right thuggery, saying that essentially everybody who was protesting about mass immigration, the breakdown of law and order, our broken borders, were far-right thugs.
	And at the same time, the policing appeared to be Taking a softer line in policing minority communities, Muslim communities, and adopting a harder line when it came to policing white British communities.
	And, of course, this is against the backdrop of police officers here in the UK taking the knee, showing solidarity for Black Lives Matter, taking what many people consider to be pretty openly political So look, I'm just going to be very real with you, seven of your listeners and viewers.
	I'm very worried about the state of our country because it is visibly divided.
	Our political class refuse to talk about the issues that are causing this division.
	Immigration, broken borders, a model of multiculturalism which isn't working anymore.
	And I don't think anybody in frontline British politics currently, maybe with the exception, well, I think with the exception of Nigel Farage, is willing to do anything about it.
	You know, they're not asking the right questions.
	They're not even allowing us to have a debate.
	And just lastly, Seth, the other thing which I found absolutely remarkable, and Americans I think will find it shocking, is we've now seen a concerted attempt to shut down dissenting voices, to crack down on what people are saying on social media.
	You read my mind, so let me just read this from Thursday.
	This is from the Crown Prosecution Service.
	We don't have the equivalent here, but these are the people who decide what people, what cases should be prosecuted by the government.
	And this is the Twitter post.
	Think before you post on social media.
	Content that incites violence or hatred isn't just harmful, it can be illegal.
	And then gov.uk, the government's Twitter account, Retweets it saying, think before you post.
	That tweet was ratioed into the dust.
	Elon Musk even commented.
	And then I'm just going to mention this one from the Cheshire Constabulary that I found on Friday.
	Woman arrested in connection with inaccurate social media post.
	I mean, I know it was 1984, but I guess George Orwell was just off by 40 years.
	I remember the great quote from that book, of course.
	The party tells you to ignore the evidence that you see with your eyes and ears.
	Well, look, there's lots of evidence floating around right now on social media.
	And as Elon Musk pointed out, he said, are we living in Britain here or are we living in the Soviet Union?
	What's going on, Steve, is we have a political elite that's panicking.
	They are panicking because they know they're losing control of the narrative.
	They're losing control of the national conversation.
	Here's the thing, and this is where our conversation comes in.
	We're not in the old world anymore.
	We don't have to rely on the legacy institutions anymore.
	We have a new media ecosystem.
	We have the podcasts.
	We have the substacks.
	We have the YouTube shows.
	We have the shows like Trigonometry, which you mentioned.
	Great show.
	You know, we have GB News, great television channel here and it's just opened in America.
	You know, we have a new media and it's not going anywhere.
	You can't just fold all this stuff up, put it in a box and hope all of this stuff goes away.
	And that is what is alarming the political elite in this country because one of the remarkable experiments to think about here is what would have happened during these riots and unrest if we had not had Elon Musk controlling Twitter and X. Because I tell you, the main source of information for people during these widespread riots was what they were seeing on Twitter and X. Everything else was controlled.
	So you'd look at the BBC, the state broadcaster homepage, and you'd have this curious narrative as to what was going on.
	They'd say things like, mostly peaceful disturbances in Muslim communities.
	And then you'd go on Twitter and X and you'd see, you know, Muslim gangs patrolling neighborhoods with swords, with full-size ninja swords.
	And you would look at this and you'd think, wow, we are being misled.
	There is an official narrative at play here.
	And so what I'm saying is, I'm deeply pessimistic about the country, but the one cause of optimism, the one glimmer of hope I do have, is this new media landscape that actually, you know, our conversation reflects today.
	Because if you can reach people, have a conversation with people outside of the legacy institutions, if you can be insulated from those institutions, if you don't need to be dependent on those institutions anymore, you can have enormous impact and reach, and you can have a real conversation with real people about real issues.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We'll talk about what the response should be for those who believe in The Great Britain I grew up in.
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	All right, so in your interview with our buddies at the Trigonometry Podcast, you talked about
	what should people do in the face of, for example, the transgender lunacy.
	And I think you were speaking from personal experience as somebody who's lived in academe and taught in institutions that aren't exactly today, how should I say this, open-minded.
	And it was clear that you You weren't about really pushing back very loudly because you made the point that people have to pay the rent.
	They have to survive.
	It's those of us, like you and I, who are independently able to do what we do and financially viable who have a role to play.
	Now, I just want to make one comment with regards to the math or the mathematics of the situation.
	You said that The woke in our societies are just 15%.
	I think that's probably a little bit of an exaggeration.
	I think the really woke are probably 10% or less.
	But to agree with you, they're the loud ones.
	They're the ones on Twitter.
	They're the ones that, you know, the pride parades with their genitalia are out and they're the ones making sure you conform.
	So it's not as bad as it could be.
	But my response to that Accurate statement is, it doesn't matter if it's 5% or 3%.
	As the child of those who grew up under communism and who escaped communism, in communist nations, how many in those nations were true Marxists?
	How many had read Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto?
	I would put it to you, a fraction of the population.
	The question is, did everybody else provide a permissive environment which allowed the denuding of everyone's civil rights?
	So, people need to read your books, people need to check out the Legatum Institute, they need to go to your sub-stack, they need to go to your webpage, mattgoodwin.org, but I want a prescription from you.
	Because I don't want there to be, what was it, Enoch Powell's prophecy of blood in the streets to be the scenario for the UK or for the US.
	They just tried to murder my former boss, a Democrat donor tried to do that.
	So is there not more of a forward-leaning, Proactive stance that everybody must take even if they're being forced to write DEI social justice statements by their employers.
	Sorry for the length of the question.
	I think it's a great question because when you have You know, monocultures, we call them in these institutions, when there's groupthink, it really is the vocal activist minority that end up dominating the 10-15%.
	And you're absolutely right to point that out.
	So we need to find a way in society generally of empowering the more moderates, if you like, who can actually take a stand against the radicals.
	And it's going to take a few Brave pioneers to lead the way and they're going to suffer consequences and costs for doing that.
	And I think we all know who those people are.
	We can see them in our timelines.
	We can see them in our social media feeds.
	I think the other thing we need is a lot more collaboration and coordination in what we might call the alternative ecosystem.
	You know, you mentioned in the UK we have that great show trigonometry, well look, one of the things I do on a
	monthly basis to all my followers is I say, don't just follow me, here are 20 other people I learn a
	lot from, go and follow them as well.
	And I think we need to really lean in to that collaboration, that's really important. And also,
	I'm a big believer in trying to stretch what we call the Overton window, the acceptable range
	of discourse and conversation in politics, because that's been set by the elite class.
	Now of course in America, Trump was President Trump was the first person really to do that when he came down the elevator.
	And of course, the rest is history.
	In the UK, we don't really have a figure that has done that to quite that extent.
	Nigel Farage has come close, but I would argue we need people to go maybe a little bit further.
	And that means being willing to challenge the zeitgeist openly.
	I mean, I've been getting heat for the last week because I've said in response to these riots and unrest, here are three things we should be doing right now.
	End the policy of mass immigration.
	No more non-essential immigration into Britain for the next 10 years.
	Keep some migration for the NHS, but that's it for the National Health Service.
	Number two, fix our broken borders.
	Do whatever is necessary to fix the border.
	And over here, That means leaving something called the European Convention on Human Rights.
	It's a kind of a European court.
	We need complete control over our own borders.
	And number three, no more broken multiculturalism.
	I do not want a policy that says if you're a minority group, you can celebrate your identity, your history and your culture, but if you're part of the majority, you should feel ashamed and embarrassed about who you are.
	So for those three obvious common sense proposals, you received heat?
	I'll tell you something, sir.
	I've had conservatives telling me that I should be removed from public life for saying what I just said to you.
	And that really shows you how far to the left Many mainstream conservatives are in the UK.
	And I would just say to your viewers and listeners, remember, you know, you guys are ahead of us in the sense that I feel like the UK is in the pre-2016 era, right?
	We're in the kind of, you know, the Mitt Romney type of conservative era, let's call it that, right?
	We haven't had the renegades yet.
	They're coming.
	Watch the next five years.
	They're coming.
	The renegades, the pioneers, they're about to come over the hill.
	But you guys are a few years ahead.
	You've gone through, you've challenged the consensus, you've built up a more compelling offer that's more in tune with ordinary working people.
	The British Tories have refused to do that, so I suspect over the longer term, they're going to have to be replaced.
	They'll have to be either completely replaced or they'll have to be completely remoulded around a much more compelling offer to the British people because those people, Seb, feel today very, very unsafe.
	They feel very anxious.
	They feel very insecure.
	They're wondering who is controlling this country and why on earth are they not doing anything about the problems we've discussed?
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	And you don't even have to be a member of the Fairer Sex to listen.
	Rocketing up the charts, exploding on YouTube, the Happy Women podcast.
	What will you be smoking as you listen to the podcast and read Katie's book?
	Well, I'm glad you asked.
	I've been looking for years for a cigar worthy of our website.
	It's finally arrived.
	The Liberty George Washington Dr. G cigars, exclusively at sebgorkastore.com.
	That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A sebgorkastore.com.
	We've only got a couple of minutes left, so maybe this is a tease for our next interview.
	The last thing you said on the interview with our buddies in the UK was, we need to discuss more what's happening with young women, how weird, quote-unquote, their situation is.
	Meaning they're outperforming young men, educationally and in the economy, but they're going massively left-wing, which is exactly the same here.
	Young men going conservative, young women just off the charts, crazy left-wing.
	What do you think that leads to?
	Why is that such a bad thing?
	Could it mean the reassertion of Manlier men, men who aren't studying sustainability and gender studies in college, for me that's a good thing.
	Or is it a more dangerous cleavage of the two sexes?
	Well, I'll keep my answer brief, Seb.
	I know we're a little bit tight on time, and I'm now intrigued to try one of your cigars, which I'll be getting online.
	Or maybe when you're in the UK, we can have one next.
	I'll send you some.
	Don't worry, I'll send you some.
	What's happening is, you know, we have basically seen women, young women under the age of 25, particularly
	university, college-educated women, they've gone off the cliff in terms of how fast and far they've
	moved to the left. They've gone since the 1990s, they've moved about 20 points to the left
	in some of our survey measures.
	Men have actually really either stood still or, as you say, they've leaned a little bit
	to the right, depending on what country you're looking at.
	And I think this is a really big problem.
	It's a massive age divide.
	We've never had it before since we've been tracking this stuff.
	I think it's going to fundamentally change the institutions because those institutions are becoming more dependent upon university-educated women.
	And I think, potentially, it's going to affect families, relationships, you know, because They have very different outlooks, very different worldviews.
	I'm not sure how you bring them back together.
	I don't have an answer to this problem.
	But I can tell you that over here in the UK, if you look at Gen Z, only 8% of Zoomers from Gen Z voted for the Conservative Party at the election just gone.
	And most of those were young Gen Z men.
	Women overwhelmingly swung to the left.
	Very socially liberal, very woke, if you like, embracing a lot of these issues around gender ideology and so on.
	So, look, this is the beginning of a trend.
	We don't know where it's going to go.
	We've never had this before in history.
	We've never seen this before in the data, but it's pushing men and women further apart.
	Well, I think we've found the topic for Professor Matthew Goodwin's next book.
	In the meantime, check out National Populism, co-authored by the good professor and Roger Eatwell, and also Values, Voice, and Virtue.
	Follow him on Twitter, on his substack.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	You've been listening to One on 1.

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