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What do you mean, if Bond were real?
Aren't you talking to him right now?
I mean, seriously.
I'm sorry.
I didn't want to give away your identity.
Shh!
Shh!
I mean, you're Karl Schwab.
All he needs is that white cat.
Just for a joke, just get a white cat and just pet it.
Just do it.
That's right.
I want some poison ink.
I want darts to be shot at people in a bar somewhere.
I don't know.
I just feel like there's something so weirdly evil about Davos, but still very interesting.
Yeah, fascinating.
Like my late father used to say about politics, filthy, filthy business.
It's so interesting.
Here we are.
Here we are.
All right.
I don't want to shortchange you.
We need to talk about the primaries and lots of other stuff.
But tell me, what is the craziest California story that you discussed today, Jennifer?
Oh my gosh, we have so many of them.
I'll tell you where my heart lies, and I think you'll be interested too, the LA Times.
The Los Angeles Times has come out with an endorsement before there has even been a debate for the Senate candidate in California, and no doubt the arbiters of truth over at the LA Times have endorsed Adam Schiff.
as their choice to be the next senator from California.
And it's just so despicable.
These are people who say that they are after truth, that they are truth tellers.
They say that Republicans are the liars.
Yet before even one debate takes place, they have given their endorsement to the biggest
liar in Congress.
I mean, he really is.
Anytime his mouth starts flapping, you know there's going to be a lie coming out of it.
And it just shows you who the LA Times is.
So we were having some fun with that today.
I have to ask you, what substantive reasons was the LA Times giving?
Was it his haircut?
Was it his attachment to the truth?
Why did they endorse Shifty Shift?
It was the pencil neck.
They said that because he's a record-breaking man with the smallest neck in the world, they were going to give him the endorsement.
Now, they talk about his history and that he served California locally in the local government and, of course, in Congress, and that they think he is a champion of people in California.
And maybe, but these are people who love to lap up lies.
And it's just pretty despicable, especially when there are multiple Democrats for the LA Times to choose from, because you know they're not going to look at any Republicans, or at least seriously.
But there are multiple people for them to look at and talk to and listen to, and many of them aren't even being allowed to debate, which our first debate's happening next week.
They're only allowing Steve Garvey as a Republican, then Adam Schiff, Katie Porter, and Barbara Lee.
And in the polling, these guys are not separated much from some of the people who have been excluded.
So So who's making that decision to just exclude people?
The debate organizers.
It's our local Channel 11, our local Fox affiliate, and Politico, I believe, and also USC coming together and not really making clear to the candidates what the stipulations were for qualifying for this first debate.
And there's a lot of questions.
I talked to Eric Early, who's a Republican who's been on your show before.
I've talked to Christina Pascucci, who's more of a moderate Democrat, who is a former news anchor, left the news business to run and says she wants to bring some Since back to the Democrat Party and both of them were excluded with no real reason.
Alright, but is it true, breaking news, that Gavin Newsom actually came to his senses for 32 nanoseconds?
I'm reading from the Daily Wire that there was a Democrat proposal to ban, because this is important, not drugs, not crime, to ban full contact football for children under 12 and the governor is vetoing that?
It's really been interesting because we, this was brought up by Kevin McCarty, not McCarthy, different, but Kevin McCarty in the state legislature.
And when it was introduced last week and it started to get movement, we were talking about it a lot in the morning answer.
And I was surprised that we had some callers who called in and said that they wanted to see a ban on tackle football.
The ban can happen with any set of parents who don't want their kids to play tackle football.
Why do we need the government to tell us that?
I mean, look, make your own decisions.
I understand it's controversial whether or not you want a kid under the age of 12 to get tackled, but that should be on mom and dad.
That should not be on Gavin Newsom or the government.
So I really think that this is even more proof if we needed it that Gavin Newsom is running for president because he loves to grow government.
He does every single time.
But guess what you need to win the presidency?
You need the middle of the country.
And football is so important, particularly in some of those flyover states.
Gavin Newsom would not be able to answer for it if he had to explain why he banned tackle football in addition to driving the state into the ground economically and from a crime perspective.
So I think this is just more proof he's absolutely running, whether it's now or in four years from now.
But with what game plan?
To be parachuted in with some superdelegates in the convention, or how?
People have asked me this all the time, and I think really the only sensible thing—people go, oh, Michelle Obama's going to jump in, Gavin Newsom's going to jump in—none of them are going to jump in right now, because the ballots are printed, the deadlines are getting ready to pass, to have names on ballots.
Joe Biden is going to be the candidate.
But the Democrat Party runs a little differently than the Republican Party, and they have these superdelegates that can really decide whatever they want at the convention.
And I think the emergency switch Could be.
I'm not saying it will be, because this is even going to be a hard sell for Democrats to usurp the power of the voters, right, even in their own party.
But if there is an impeachment, if there is a medical condition, if there is something that might happen where Joe Biden is not fit, I don't think it's a given that Kamala Harris is just going to shift into that position.
It's probably potential for the superdelegates to at least argue about bringing someone like a Newsom in.
Yeah, the same way that they They shafted Bernie Sanders and let Clinton use the super delegates.
People forget the Democrats don't just steal elections from the good guys.
They steal them from their own, their own Democrat candidates like they did with Bernie.
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The snow's sitting there.
Sitting there.
Pathetic.
Just waiting.
Just pathetic.
It's like... Okay, I've got an amazing video to show you from TikTok.
We played Javier... Cut 15 again?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Come in with 12.
Come in with 12.
Oh, yeah.
And then... What's another good one?
Mm-mm.
Play me Cup Three again.
Three.
You know, if you're campaigning for human rights, at least you know mass murder, torture, all of these things are serious crimes.
but there's no equivalent in the environmental space.
And so, and you know, unlike an international crime like genocide that involves a specific intent,
with ecocide what we see is actually what people are trying to do, what businesses are trying to do,
is make money, is you know, is farm, is fish, is do all of these things that are
you know, producing energy and so on as well.
But what's missing is the awareness and the conscience around the side effects, around the collateral damage that happens with that.
Ecoside.
What a lunatic.
Do you know, all you had to do was show me her picture and I went, uh-oh.
We got it.
We got the idea.
Two and a half minutes.
I'm starting to think at this point, Jen, that this might be the future of statewide
California politics is a bunch of Democrats run and then like one celebrity gets recruited
to run as a Republican.
And then that's basically, I think that's pretty much it.
And of course, now we're past the Schwarzenegger days.
We're not going to see just because someone's a celebrity win again.
I think that's probably the future at this point, if I'm being honest.
I don't know.
I just know that this Steve Garvey, you know, he came in late.
I don't know how much he knows about politics.
He's got to debate three Democrats who are going to go after him on Monday.
That is pretty rough, yeah.
I still feel like it could be Schiff versus Porter in the runoff.
I just kind of have that vibe.
I do too, and the stupid thing with Republicans is if they would just pick one person, but instead they have to shred each other apart because they want the grassroots and they want the establishment to go after each other, and then we don't even get an option to vote for.
Right.
At the very least, like when that happened in 2018 when it was Feinstein versus What was it, DeLeon?
I and like every Republican I know, we all voted for him just to spike him over the Kavanaugh thing.
Here's the one thing I'll tell you about, well I'll tell you two things about DeLeon.
One, I invited him into the studio and he actually came and sat and did an interview with me.
And we agreed on nothing, but the fact that he actually came in, that's pretty good.
Secondly, Grant loves Kevin DeLeon.
Because he's the guy that didn't resign after the N-word and stuff was caught on tape at the city council.
He just stayed in.
Respect.
So Grant respects that.
And then we also like the fact that he, in a Santa hat, was getting heckled by someone and got into a fistfight with him while he was wearing a Santa hat at a toy drive.
I gotta see that video.
That sounds amazing.
That's the kind of thing that excites you, Eric, isn't it?
Getting into a fight with a Santa hat on.
Just the image, the idea.
And it's a guy who's like a known heckler and he was heckling DeLeon and he just took the bait and they had a little fight.
It's a fun one, you'll like it.
Alright, coming with cuts and all.
And what are you going to do?
And what are you going to do to stop the crazies?
I am scared as heck, which is why I'm traveling our country.
You know, there's an old saying that there are only two ways to run for office, either without an opponent or scared.
So on all of those points, yes, we should all be scared.
There's an old saying, there's two ways to run, without an opponent, or scared.
Jennifer Horne, what is Kamala the Cackler cackling about?
Why is she smiling as she said that?
I think it was probably something she listed in one of her Venn diagrams.
Doesn't she always talk about those too?
And don't forget, she loves school buses as well.
She loves a school bus.
Especially the short ones.
She loves the short ones.
Well, that's what they have at the White House right now.
They all float around on those.
You know, Kamala, the thing that scares me, she may be scared about this upcoming election, but the thing that scares me is that she is even that close to the presidency.
She's never been good as someone who has watched her in California.
She has always been transactional.
There is no moral compass.
There is no fiber of ethics.
She is simply one of those swamp creatures that we all talk about that is just transactional and do whatever it takes.
To get ahead.
And that's what she's done.
That's where she's gotten herself in that position.
Right.
But we can relax now.
The Trump campaign can relax for the next 10 months.
As I told Mark Lotter in the last hour, I, your humble radio host, have found the campaign ad that simply needs to be run 24-7 across the nation for the next 10 months.
Nothing else is needed.
Everybody else can just retire, go off and have a cigar and a cappuccino.
I found this on Instagram.
Originates from TikTok.
I don't know who the guy is, but seriously, it's all you need.
Play carton.
Why is everything so damn expensive?
Four years ago, my rent was $1,200 a month at a luxury apartment complex.
It is now $2,100, not even including utilities!
I went to the grocery store yesterday, right, and got three bags of chips, some ground turkey, and some vegetables, and it was $67!
What?!
My car insurance from four years ago until now, with no tickets, no recs, no nothing on my driver's record, has gone from $130 to $240 per month!
Three years ago, my electric bill was averaging $45.
Now it's averaging $125!
Per month!
Three years ago my electric bill was averaging $45.
Now it's averaging $125!
You go and get a tank of gas once a week and you're dropping 70 bucks!
Okay Eric looked up the name.
The guy is Trevor Abney.
He calls himself modestly a TikTok megastar.
I'm just following him now on Instagram.
Am I wrong?
Is that not just the best campaign ad?
Why is it so expensive?
Other than the fact that he sounds like Gilbert Gottfried's son.
I knew it was familiar.
I knew it was familiar.
I was like, who is that voice?
And then I realized it's Gilbert Gottfried, but he's absolutely right.
It's funny, you played that video and I actually saw it on your Instagram page earlier today.
I had a conversation over the weekend with someone who was telling me, I need to figure out a way to make 25% more of my income.
And I was like, okay, why 25%?
This is very specific.
How does he find 25% to bring back into his budget?
And the answer was because upon review of household income and what's going out, he's spending 25% more in the last two years than he has before that.
So whether it's in utilities, whether it's in transportation and gas to get to work, or whether it's in grocery bills or tuition, You're looking at the average person in my home state of California, at least, trying to find 25% more from their income.
Now, that is not just anecdotal.
That's something that everybody is feeling.
And then you look at the open border, and you look at the crime, and people start to wake up when they're just constantly told there's no problem, because we feel that there is a problem.
You can't just hear someone say, it's working, it's working, it's working, and you believe them.
I look at this election as the AB column.
You know what we got under Trump.
You know what we got under Biden.
I don't know who the people are that are going to be able to justify voting in the Biden column.
The people that do that are simply voting because they don't like personality or because they're driven by the messaging from the mainstream news media that Trump is bad.
Or simply because it's so bloody tribal on the other side.
That's it.
I mean, I couldn't believe, and I'm sure you've watched this and you've probably talked about it, but driving into work on Tuesday after the Iowa caucus and listening to Joy Reid tell Nikki Haley she couldn't win in the party because she was a brown girl is so insulting.
And then it gets worse.
You start looking at the MSNBC coverage and you see Jen Psaki say that President Trump's win, over 50% historic win, wasn't really that great because 50% of Iowa Republicans didn't vote for him.
But it's not just a Democrat former White House press secretary, it's Ron DeSantis said exactly the same thing.
Cut 7, the governor of Florida.
Donald Trump cruised to a historic victory.
What can you do to stop him from scoring another big win here in New Hampshire next week?
Well, look, I think that he was the former president of the United States.
He's one of the most famous people that's ever been involved in American politics.
And there's obviously a lot of Republicans that appreciated his policies.
But you still had roughly half of the Iowa caucus goers that made another choice.
And so that shows me, that tells me that there is an appetite for a different leader.
You cretin!
They didn't make another choice.
They split it three ways.
The greatest lead was 12 points for Bob Dole.
President Trump gets 31.
And what's with the... He's facing the person asking the question and then like a robot he turns to the audience.
What is it with this guy?
I think the only reason he is still in the race, even after he beat Nikki Haley by a couple of thousand votes in Iowa, is that he's trying to repair his image.
And it's not working.
He needs to drop out.
He needs to say, now's not the time for me.
I endorse President Trump.
It's the only thing that's going to repair his image in this party.
But I think that's what he's doing.
It's the only explanation for sticking around.
I looked at the polls today, and maybe you saw them, out of New Hampshire.
Trump is at 50 percent.
Nikki's around 30-something percent.
Ron DeSantis has 5% in New Hampshire.
It's why I call him 5% Ron.
That's what he has.
That's embarrassing.
Chris Christie beat Ron DeSantis.
I mean, everybody's beating Ron DeSantis in New Hampshire.
And he's going to hold on and go to South Carolina, which will be embarrassing for Nikki Haley.
But my goodness, he's got no money.
His staffers are leaving.
And so all he has to do is sit around and try to justify how Trump's win wasn't big when it makes his loss look even worse with that explanation.
So what happens?
He can't lose in Florida and stay governor.
Does he drop out before Florida, Jen?
I think that, I mean, I honestly thought if he hadn't done, he was the only one who overperformed by a smidge in Iowa.
I thought he was going to be out already.
I think he's got to be out after South Carolina.
I mean, he's out of money and most of his campaign staffers have agreed to take a job starting February 1st.
He can't lose in his state of Florida and he will to Trump.
So I don't know what the play is here.
I don't know why he's sticking it out.
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One of them was a congressman until recently.
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Here's a reminder of who that great individual is today.
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Now, you all are being used.
Some of you are happy about it.
Some of you are not.
But many of you are reporting 0% of the story.
There was one story that came out yesterday in Politico that was filled with falsehoods.
Just somebody lied to you.
I watched CNN last night and I saw a host, one allegation after another, say stuff that just was not true.
Your sources, those Dems in that bunker, are trying to create a narrative because Adam Schiff aspires to write the world's greatest parody.
Truth teller extraordinaire.
We were sad when he left Washington, D.C.
We were excited by what he did for New York, the people who rode in on his coattails when he was running for governor.
And I see a very bright future for him, maybe as maybe part of the Trump administration at the cabinet level.
He's been a good friend of the show.
He's a great patriot, a combat veteran.
Lee Zeldin, welcome back to America First.
It's great to be with you, Sav.
I've heard that clip there in a while, and that was Obviously from that first Trump impeachment, and man, it was wild the way Adam Schiff and the Dems were colluding with the media, leaking in real time out of these closed door depositions to take down a sitting president, Schiff trying to be judge, jury, executioner.
Uh, and what was so wild is just how much was getting reported at the time by these, by these folks in the media.
I won't call them journalists.
Where it was just 100% not true.
And you call up the reporter and you say, listen, you understand that there's going to be a transcript that will come out that will show what you said is completely inaccurate.
I remember I was accused of saying during the Vindman deposition, I was calling Vindman having dual loyalty with Ukraine and whatever the charges were.
There's going to be a transcript that's going to show that what you're saying I said or asked about never actually happened.
But man, they didn't care.
And that might have been years ago, but it's only gotten worse since.
I know you're on the road.
I've got a big question to ask you about 2024 and what we can expect from the left.
You're on the front line in the trenches during the whole impeachment insanity and Russia hoax.
Do you have a few more minutes?
Can we keep you over for one more segment?
Of course.
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from the 1st Congressional District of New York, a great patriot, Lee Zeldin, still in
the Army Reserves.
Lee, thank you so much for being here.
Lee, I have to ask you the really tough question.
In the break you said we have to make sure we still have a republic by January 20th next year.
In the last two months we've seen 5,000 word articles saying that President Trump is Caesar.
We know what happened to Caesar.
We've seen a recent article about the military may have to stop President Trump from becoming a dictator.
And then we have the Lincoln Project.
These utter, invertebrate scumbags dropped this video about President Trump yesterday.
Play the video.
And on the eighth day, God looked down on his planned paradise and said, I need a man to test the will and goodness of a free people.
So God made a dictator.
God said, I need a man who failed in everything but theft and broken promises to live in a golden palace and convince the poor he serves their needs.
So God made a dictator.
God said, I need a wicked man to lead the common folk with hatred and fear.
So God made a dictator.
God said, I need a corrupt man who is above the law and immune from justice.
So God made a dictator.
The images for that video are Saddam Hussein, Kim of North Korea and President Trump.
Congressman, Chairman, is there anything the left will not do to maintain control and to stop President Trump?
There's nothing that is holding them back right now.
And as I listened to that clip, And I think of Joe Biden and the Democrats trying to destroy democracy in the name of democracy, trying to prevent Americans from being able to choose their own president this November by just removing Donald Trump's name altogether from the ballot.
When I think about blocking voter I.D.
and trying to have ballot harvesting everywhere, the criminal prosecutions, the litigation that's out there, All of the attempts to try to take down Donald Trump, and they want to accuse him of being the dictator.
As far as name-calling goes, there's no name that they're obviously unwilling to use.
They've run out of names.
The only thing that's left is terrorists, and I wouldn't even put it past them at this point to use that last word, even though we don't live in a third-world country where they do that to political opponents.
So it's greatly concerning for anyone who loves the Republic, and I don't care your party stripes, your ideology.
If you consider yourself to be an American, then you should be infuriated by the extremes that they are going beyond just rhetoric, beyond just TV ads.
An actual total abuse of the system to try to prevent Americans from even having an opportunity to choose for themselves who they want to be the President of the United States.
What do you say to those who are listening right now?
You're across the country, three and a half million people listening who say, well, this is just about hatred for President Trump.
It's about one guy.
It's not about me.
Let's just get past this election.
What do you say to them, Congressman?
If you were to replace Donald Trump with some other political opponent, this is now an adopted tactic that the left is going to be using years ahead of time.
Get past 24.
It might be 28 or 2032.
If we think that we're just going to get past this election and what we see unfolding is going to become a thing of the past, think again.
The left is going to decide that their tactics worked, that this is how you win elections, this is how things are now in this country.
Much of the fight to take down Donald Trump is really an effort in many respects that can far outlive Donald Trump's time in elected office or his candidacy.
This is really about our republic, our values, our constitution, our freedom.
And at the end of the day, I'm a proud American.
I'd give my life for this country.
I'd sacrifice everything to defend it.
And I want to be able to live in a nation that promotes more freedom, not less.
One that respects voters to make a decision for themselves who they want to lead them.
And at the end of the day, in a free and fair election, if they choose to vote Democrat or Republican, that's a decision that every U.S.
citizen is given one vote.
One person, one vote.
It's something that we need to continue to protect.
But at this moment, Right now, it's about Donald Trump.
He is the candidate.
He's going to be the Republican nominee.
Hopefully, he will be the 47th president of the United States.
But you can't just sit this one out and think that this is just about President Trump.
This is about the left thinking these tactics are a new way forward for years and presidential elections to come.
And the cliche we've heard so many times before that this is the most important election of your life, this time it actually is true, correct?
There's never been a more important election in my lifetime, and I really hope that our country is able to make it to January of 2025.
I believe that we will, of course, but there's a lot that's threatening our way of life right now, and we can't just sit back and be complacent and allow it to happen.
We need to all be all in fighting for the future of this republic.
It's a country that is the greatest in the world.
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you are you impressed with the way Capitol Hill functions a
Congress in the Senate I grew up in the parliamentary system, watching the debates in the House of Commons.
A little bit more boisterous there, but there are moments even here in Washington D.C.
where things get serious, things get a little bit lively, especially when Why have you permitted 345,000 children to come into this country unaccompanied?
Senator Josh Hawley, who's had it with all the lies, and the Department of Homeland Security
Secretary who spins them.
Here's a reminder.
Why have you permitted 345,000 children to come into this country unaccompanied?
Why have you permitted thousands of them to be abused and exploited?
Senator, what we do is we enforce the law.
But let me just say this.
You're not!
It is stunning to me, stunning, to hear you say that the prior administration reunited children with their parents.
Oh, I see.
So this is their fault?
So you're not going to take any responsibility?
For the indentured servitude and exploitation of children that is happening on your watch a moment ago, you were crowing about the fact that you treated children so well, and yet we find tens of thousands of children who are forced to work as slaves because of your policies, and you turn around and blame a prior administration.
Mr. Secretary, this is par for the course for you.
You do it every time you appear before this committee.
You do it every time you appear before Congress.
I for one am sick and tired of it and thousands of children are in physical danger.
Danger!
Because of what you are doing.
I'd like to see energy like that more often on the big issues from our representatives and from our senators.
But at least we heard it there.
What is the truth about the last three years?
Can it be undone?
Well, let's talk to a man who I've been looking forward to this one-on-one interview for quite some time.
Why, if there's one individual outside of President Trump who is more responsible For securing our borders and fixing a truly broken immigration system, it is our next guest.
Former colleague of mine in the White House, former assistant to the President, Stephen Miller.
Thank you for coming in studio.
Thank you.
Great to see you again and great to be here with you today.
All right, so I've got lots of questions to ask you.
You now hang your hat at the America First Legal Organization, aflegal.org, where you are the president.
Yes.
So much to discuss.
First question, let's just get the basics.
Is there any...
country in the world, developed or semi-developed, I'm not talking about Somalia, but I'm talking
about, you know, reasonably run countries. Is there any country in the world out of the, what, 196,
197 countries that has an open border like America does?
Any other country?
No, nothing in fact even comes close. Nothing even approximates or approaches anything like
what's happening on our southern border today.
You talk about developed countries, one of the preconditions for being a developed country is having control over your territory.
In fact, the State Department talks a lot about territorial sovereignty in reference to other countries.
Like Ukraine?
Yes.
Always very concerned anytime another country lacks control over its territory.
To be a functioning, stable, modern society, you have to have control over your territory.
There's no other country, no peer nation, no near peer, no one that is even in the realm of what we have today, where you effectively have a system Where the border agents and ICE officers have been impressed by Secretary Mayorkas and Joe Biden into being a transport service for illegal aliens.
There's no other law enforcement agency in the world that is currently providing this service to illegal immigrants.
Basically, somebody, I can't remember who coined it originally, the Customs and Border Protection Service, that is meant to exercise that national sovereignty for us, have become akin to the greeters at Walmart for illegals.
Correct, except it's worse than that in the sense that... Walmart doesn't give you $5,000, a free phone, and a ticket to anywhere you want to go, right?
Right.
Number one, you have to pay for the services at Walmart, which is increasing the case, but unless you're in a Soros district, you're supposed to at least abide by the laws while you're there.
You have federal law enforcement officers that are being...
forced to sanction criminality of the most severe kind, not just the crime of illegal entry,
but as displayed in that clip you were showing, human trafficking, child trafficking, child
enslavement, labor trafficking, crimes that are significant and severe felonies in which border
agents and ICE officers are being forced to become a link in the human smuggling or trafficking chain.
I guarantee you, border agents all day, every day, are apprehending groups with children,
transferring them for resettlement, knowing with absolute certainty that those children are
going to be going into either enslavement conditions, sex
trafficking, labor trafficking, or just abuse on its own terms,
which is horrific enough.
Knowing that, and knowing they are powerless to do anything about it because they are forbidden from engaging in law enforcement activity.
Yeah, that must be so soul-destroying for those officers whenever we have Mark Morgan on the show, the former commissioner.
Yeah, good friend of mine.
I always ask him, the last question I always ask him, whatever else the breaking news is, is how is the morale of his former organization?
And it must be catastrophic when you're not allowed to do your job, but you also know you are assisting the worst people in the world, like the Coyotes.
Let's talk brass tacks.
What has happened in the last three years?
Could you give us some sense?
I mean, you were the architect of what we did in the White House, how the President secured the border back then.
How many people are we talking about?
Because we have the encounters, and then we have the gotaways, then we have the don't-knows, you know, the famous Rumsfeld quote, the things we don't know that we don't know.
The known unknowns and the unknown unknowns.
So could you give us a snapshot Of the catastrophe that has been the last three years in rough numbers?
Yes, so this is a question, of course, that everybody wants to know the answer to.
And it's impossible to do anything other than provide educated guesses.
And those of us who have experience in this area hopefully would have more educated guesses.
So, we know on paper that Border Patrol has encountered over eight million illegal aliens.
That's a very straightforward number.
Three years, eight million.
The vast majority of them are being released.
You saw the clip recently, or maybe you saw it, not a clip, sorry, reporting, that said that Mayorkas in a closed door meeting acknowledged that more than 85% of illegals are being released.
Then on top of that, and you alluded to it, you have the category that's known as gotaways.
On paper, that's roughly 2 million so far.
These are individuals that Border Patrol has intelligence to no cost but couldn't apprehend.
So they have some sign, they have maybe some surveillance.
It could be anything from surveillance to a physical sign like footsteps, footprints.
But they didn't encounter them.
Or even more harrowing for a border agent, a runner they don't catch.
A literal runaway.
Right.
And so that, then there's the third category though, which maybe is the scariest of all,
which is people that we just don't know across.
They have no particular intelligence or knowledge.
They came through a tunnel.
They came through the river.
They simply evaded detection using camouflage, just using effective smuggling tactics, whatever
it may be.
If you had asked me three years ago, I would have said to you that the number of gotaways
in the known category and the number in the unknown category would be roughly equal, like
a one for one ratio.
But because so many border agents have now been pulled off the line for migrant processing,
and since such large swaths of the border are now totally unpatrolled, I believe that
number is several increments higher than equal to the number of known gotaways.
So, without being committed to a specific number, I would estimate that number is probably another six or seven million at this point in time.
Now, on top of the ten million.
My ballpark has been eight plus eight, so I've doubled it.
So, I've said it's got to be at least 16 million.
Right, so right in the same place.
If you add up my math and I did it in a sort of a Byzantine way, I'm basically saying, yeah, 10 plus another 6 or 7, yes.
And let's talk for a second about this magic number of how many illegals were here already.
Right.
Because it's been static.
It's been at 14 million for 40 years or so.
Mysteriously, always the same number no matter when it's asked, yes.
So what could be the actual real number of people who are here illegally?
How many tens of millions?
So I've subscribed to The View for a while.
The accurate number pre-Biden of the static population was probably more than 20 million range.
So I think we're basically looking at the end of a Biden term of a near doubling event.
So 40 million illegals by the end of this year.
Yeah.
We'll be looking at a near doubling event.
And again, these things can never, of course, be known with any certainty.
But when you have, as I mentioned, hundreds of miles of unpatrolled border, and you have a world in which there's several billion people living on a dollar or two a day, it just stands to reason that that's going to be exploited to the fullest extent possible.
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So, let me get a little bit personal now with regards to what we've witnessed in the last three years.
My parents were real refugees.
They were given asylum because my father had a life sentence in a communist prison.
was liberated by the revolutionaries in hungary in nineteen fifty six after he got out of prison and the revolution was crushed he was informed by a relative inside the interior ministry that he was on a shoot to kill list meaning if he were recaptured he's not going back to prison he will be shot and kicked into the gutter as a result he escaped with the seventeen-year-old daughter of a fellow prisoner made it to a refugee camp in austria was interrogated for i think Six, seven weeks to prove that he was actually, you know, anti-communist, wasn't a threat to the West.
And then he was given a choice of where to live.
They told him Australia's taking refugees, America, the UK, and Canada.
And he said the UK.
And he ends up in UK.
And he is granted asylum.
And then eventually naturalized in citizenship because he would be killed if he went back to Hungary.
This administration is playing with us in an Orwellian fashion.
Can you explain this app that is used by the illegal immigrants sitting in Mexico to pre-clear themselves and then put them in this magical status as if they're all political refugees or not really economic migrants.
They've played with the definition of words like asylum seeker refugee, have they not Stephen?
Yes, well the whole language has become bastionized beyond recognition and that's by design.
And so you see these terms being used somewhat interchangeably, refugee, asylum seeker.
The main difference for those who may be interested in the real world of using these terms accurately is a refugee is somebody who applies outside your country and an asylum seeker applies at your border.
But both of them, both the concept of an asylum seeker and a refugee are based on the idea That you're suffering, and these came out of World War II, these concepts, that you're suffering an extremely specific kind of persecution based on a protected characteristic.
So, race, religion, or very specific kinds of political persecution, for example, being an anti-communist.
Things that are innate to your very existence in the country in which you live and cannot be remedied through living in some other place or some other part of your country.
Right?
For example, a lot of the people from the Northern Triangle countries who are coming and claiming asylum, their basic claim, in not so many words, is that my country is dangerous.
In no form whatsoever is that an asylum claim.
It is not in any way, shape, or form a cognizable asylum claim.
If we were to view that as an actual asylum claim, then by that same definition, every person living in the South Side of Chicago is eligible for a settlement to the place of their choice inside the United States of America.
Or, likewise, billions of people across the globe.
And then half of the world.
Moreover, this is a little bit specific, but you may be interested to know, this is something
we did in the Trump administration as we were putting into place Remain in Mexico and other
impediments to asylum fraud.
There's a regulation that's been in the books for about 20 years that says that you're not
eligible for asylum if your claim can be remedied simply by living in another place in your
own country.
Right, so if there's a safer part of your own country, if you don't like living in a violent ghetto, then go to the countryside.
And so we actually sent to the asylum officers a heat map showing in the Northern Triangle all the places that are safer than America.
Right?
All of the cities inside Northern Triangle countries where it is safer to live than major American metropolitan areas where people are moving to as illegal aliens.
Because the whole thing is a fraud.
And it's not just Northern Triangle.
South America, Middle East, Africa, you have migrants that are clearly coming here illegally for the purpose of getting economic opportunities or welfare.
And just to underscore that, we have this photograph from Matt Gaetz that he put on social media on Wednesday of the discarded passports at the border from all the nations of the world, including China, Ukraine, Venezuela, because these people don't want to admit they're from a country where there's no political persecution.
Correct.
and they're saying, well I'm from...
Right, they're trying to hide and conceal the facts of their identity
to discard documentary evidence.
And there's another very important point, and this also relates to regulatory work we did in the Trump
administration.
So we implemented several policies that basically said, in not so many words,
that if you fail to apply for asylum in a, quote, safe country on your way to America,
you can't apply for asylum here.
Isn't that a principle of international law that if you're seeking asylum because of this protected status, you can't leave, I don't know, let's pick a, you know, Mongolia and then traverse 12 different countries,
and then decide, well, I'm going to be an asylum seeker in America.
You have to register in the first safe country you put.
It's called forum shopping.
And so we introduced several policies, the sum effect of which were that you can't even
apply for asylum in America if you failed to avail yourself an opportunity to apply for asylum in some other country
in your way here.
You have illegal aliens who will come from, say, a country in Asia.
They'll make landfall in, say, South America, maybe Brazil.
Then they'll go to Panama.
Then they'll go up through Central America, through Mexico.
And then they'll come to the United States and say, there's a gang lord on my block in the country I came from.
And so I just took a quick 3000 mile trip over here to San Diego.
Um, there's, there's that video again last week.
I don't, it was, I think it was Ben Burquam who posted it.
Who's been doing some amazing work.
Where an Iranian, a Persian, is interviewed who's crossed into America.
They hide his visage, his face.
And he actually says on tape, he says, I'm worried for the safety of the country I've landed in as an illegal.
Because I know bad people are coming to this country.
And military agent.
He says this on camera.
But then he asks, I think it's Ben asking, so how did you come here if you're from Iran?
Oh, I flew to Turkey.
And then I came from Turkey to America to Mexico.
And you're like, yes, hang on a second.
That's like, that's like, quote unquote, refugee tourism.
Correct.
It's refugee tourism.
And so one of the other things we did in the Trump administration, So basically, for every problem, we had a solution.
So one of the other things that we did is we told Mexico to stop putting illegals on flights to Mexico City.
Illegals would fly all over the world to Mexico City, and then the last step up, they would use Mexican smuggler organizations and coyotes.
And we would say, don't put them on the planes.
And of course, because we were a serious administration led by President Trump, who the world took seriously, they shut that down.
Every time we saw a failing or a weakness in the system we inherited, we assembled the full team.
We went into President Trump.
We said, here's the weakness in the system.
Here's how we shut it down.
And then he would say, well, tell me what you need from me.
And we would say, well, we're going to ask nicely to this country first.
And then if that doesn't work, then we're going to put you on the phone.
Right.
And then things magically seem to get fixed.
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It is not built to manage the current levels and types of migratory flows.
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We inherited a broken and dismantled system that is already under strain. It
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number of non-citizens seeking to enter the United States.
We, the Biden administration, inherited a broken system.
It's clips like that that enrage me.
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How do you... you seem a very calm individual, Stephen.
How do you maintain your blood pressure when you hear clips like that?
Because he knows he's lying.
He knows that he and his boss Biden have become the largest child and human traffickers in U.S.
history.
Correct.
Correct?
Not just in U.S.
history.
No, human history.
Right, in terms of the sheer scale and number of it.
I mean, maybe there's a historian out there who can find an example from centuries and centuries ago.
But in terms of the scale of it, just unaccompanied minors is the term of art that's used.
These are illegal aliens who are 17 or younger or claiming to be.
Just in that group alone, so people who are dropped off at the border with no legal guardian or parent in that age group alone, recorded half a million.
Just in that category alone.
Again, those aren't the ones who are being smuggled in by adults who are pretending to be parents or pretending to be an uncle or whatever.
These are people that are just a group of six-year-olds just dropped at the border.
Coyote runs, smuggler runs, and then they're sent to their quote, sponsor.
Often another legal alien in the United States and then never seen again.
Just in that group alone, half a million.
I'm not always so calm.
And it is enraging.
Right, they'll even have a name on a wrist or a toe or a phone number and then we, U.S.
government under Biden, will then make the connection.
Just in that group alone, half a million.
I'm not always so calm and it is enraging and when I see clips like the one you just
played, it does indeed make my blood just curdle with anger.
So on January of 2021, they inherited the most secure immigration system that has ever
been in existence in the United States since there has been such a thing as illegal immigration.
Give us some numbers, especially after Title 42.
How closed was the border?
The best way to measure that is simply that From the time and place in which we put Title 42, there was zero discretionary releases.
In other words, there was a 100% success rate for apprehension through removal.
And when I say discretionary, the only exceptions to that would be a medical emergency.
So if we're apprehending someone who has to go to the hospital, and they have a kidney bursting inside of them, and there needs to be some emergency thing or they're gonna die in custody.
But absent some extremely exigent circumstance, A 100% success rate on repatriation, no matter who they apprehended.
A minor, a family, a fake family, a single adult, any age, any demographic.
And here's the key part about that, any country.
Because the complexity of managing the U.S.
southern border is that back when Bush was president, it was almost exclusively Mexican.
So, it's just a bilateral relationship.
They cross, and literally, 30-minute drive back to the port of entry, here you go.
That's your job all day long.
Catch them back at the port of entry.
And Bush, by the way, back then, for the several percent that weren't Mexican, they were set free.
But nobody really noticed, because it was just a few percentage points.
Then, when Obama came in, same policy.
Most people who were arriving were Mexican.
Now, it wasn't any more than 90 percent.
It started to go down to 80 percent, maybe 70 percent.
Yeah.
And again, non-Mexicans, because they're too complicated, oh, he comes from Cameroon, he comes from Peru,
he comes from Uruguay.
We'll send him to court in seven years and figure it out later.
So when we showed up, there was literally no system for deporting non-Mexicans.
Border agents only deported Mexicans.
Everybody else was referred to be solved at some future point
So we had to develop a system for deporting illegal aliens from every single country in the world, including places that had no history of cooperating with the United States at all.
So we had to apply substantial economic and other leverage to make them accept their own nationals back.
So just the logistics of it, which I'm sure you can appreciate.
of having border agents apprehend a group of two, three hundred people from two dozen
different countries.
You have as young as two, as old as, you know, 75.
And the logistics of making sure that everybody gets home rapidly and on time.
That's what he inherited.
If he had just done absolutely nothing but maintain those policies, we would have continued
to have the most secure border in history.
But he dismantled every one of them.
The ones that are famous that we all know about, Remain in Mexico, Safe Third Agreements,
Border Wall, but also many other ones that many people don't know about.
For example, President Trump set the record for the most prosecutions of immigration crimes
in history.
In other words, we directed DOJ.
to prosecute people for child smuggling, harboring, illegal entry, felony re-entry, the whole
litany of immigration crimes.
That establishes a powerful deterrent because there's real jail time.
One of the reasons why you have so many gotaways today is there's no consequence for trying
and trying and trying.
See, if you go into jail for a year, you might think twice before trying again.
It's just, you get caught, and even if you're, this is just some Mexicans now, so for the percentage, the small percentage that is going back, they're just Mexican adult males primarily, and they're just being driven back, right?
They're getting in on their second, third, or fourth try, so they're all getting in as gotaways.
They're motivated.
Because they're not, yeah, it's just, why not?
You're dropped off a mile from the border, do it again.
Dropped off a mile from the border, do it again.
Nobody's going to jail.
That was, we also had another initiative, of setting Mexicans back deeper into Mexican territory.
This is one that President Trump was very passionate about.
It was called interior repatriation.
So instead of putting them on a bus or a car to the border, we'd load them on a plane and send them back deeper
into Mexico.
So it would be a far tougher journey to get back to the southern border.
Right, because if you just cross the border, you're going to wait five minutes and then go across.
And again.
So we had, as I mentioned earlier, for every problem that existed, we had developed, perfected,
and honed a solution.
All they had to do was maintain a steady state.
And they willfully dismantled all of it because... So, I'll just close on the question with this point.
When he's talking about inheriting a broken system, he's defining broken as keeping illegal aliens out.
Yes.
Right?
Right.
Broken only in that way.
And when he says they're effectively managing it, he means effectively facilitating their entry.
Because they want millions of illegals who will eventually be naturalized and vote Democrat.
Correct.
The broken system would be... Any barrier to that outcome.
Any barrier to making illegals Democrats.
Yes.
Exactly.
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Let's touch upon the aspect of this that is, you know, closest to my heart, and it's when I was also plunged into the thick of things at the signing of the first executive order by the president regarding the travel ban from seven nations.
And I wasn't meant to be a press guy, but Bannon and Spicer said, we need to explain to people this is an Obama threat assessment.
These nations can't tell us if these people are terrorists or not.
We are stopping travel from these nations.
As a counter-terrorism guy, if a red team, if I think like the bad guys, whether it's Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, MS-13, if I know the borders open, millions of people flooding through, gotaways and encounters, I am going to be flooding America with my assets.
This should be a tier one national security threat.
There's no graver threat, nothing even approaches it in magnitude or severity.
It used to be the assumption in counter-terrorism circles that the paramount threat of terrorists entering the United States, 9-11 being of course the most tragic example, would be through visa fraud.
Visa overstays or fraudulent student visas.
And that's why during the Trump administration we did, and of course would immediately re-implement, a series of substantial barriers to terrorist entry through the visa system.
But because Biden's borders completely open, it is now my assumption that terrorist organizations, malevolent actors, spies, and all manner of foreign threats would see the path of least resistance for entering the
country without question, because you're not any facial recognition software, you're not
fingerprinted in any way, you have no paper trail, no record at all, obviously through the
Southern border of the United States.
We will not know, potentially for years, how many cells, how many operatives, how many
terrorists, how many organizers of criminal activity and other threatening behavior have
entered this country, because it's in their evil interest to bide their time a bit before
they launch various plots, because they have an open window now to do whatever they want
to do to get into the country.
Come to the border, jettison your passport, say you're from Mexico or El Salvador and
just walk over.
So, yeah.
You've mentioned this phrase twice now.
For every problem, we had a solution in the Trump administration.
Here's the answer our three and a half million listeners are going to want to hear from you.
If, God willing, we do our part, and President Trump goes from being the 45th to the 47th president, if we bring back people like you, Tom Homan, Mark Morgan, and the rest, can all of this be undone?
I mean, 40 million illegals.
There's no army on earth that's the size of 40 million.
I love it when I ask Mark Morgan, how are we going to deal with this in terms of deportation?
Mark always says, one by one.
But we can't just flick a switch.
We can put back the executive orders and everything else, but how much of a heavy lift is this going to be in just a four-year period, Stephen?
Well, it's a feat similar in size and scale to the other great American projects that have been undertaken.
For example, the Transcontinental Railroad or digging the Panama Canal.
The answer is that we can and indeed will do it.
Must.
Will do it if 45 becomes 47.
But we have to be honest with people about the scope and scale of the project involved.
It will be an all-of-nation, all-of-government, state, local, and federal effort.
And I'll be blunt.
Conservatives will need to have the stomach for it.
Conservatives have gotten weak.
Not all of them.
Not your listeners.
But as a group, over time, they've let the left capture their spaces, capture the dialogue, capture their schools, capture their communities.
Capture the criminal justice system and largely have basically just complained about it and done nothing.
And you know the left is going to run a moral extortion campaign to find whatever sympathetic example they can to say... Here are the victims being preyed upon.
I found one sympathetic example, therefore you can't have a country.
That's how the left operates with everything, by the way.
I find one example that I can probably lie about too.
It can seem sympathetic.
Ergo, you don't get to have a country.
Ergo, you have no border, no nothing.
So we need to understand that's the game they're going to play.
And our answer has to be, no.
This is happening.
We're doing it.
I don't care how uncomfortable it makes you.
I don't care how uncomfortable it makes the corporate press.
I don't care how many headlines you write.
We are going to save this country or lose it forever.
So to answer your question, can it be done and can it be reversed?
The answer to both those questions is yes, but the window on that Opens and closes in the year 2025.
Right.
That's how final this is right now.
I should have started with this, but I had so many questions to ask you, just so people are more familiar with you from beyond just your time in the Trump administration and now your new organization.
How did you get into this?
Because I know you were a right-hand man for Senator Sessions, but how did you become, you know, the expert on immigration?
Tell us about your background.
I grew up in Southern California.
So my introduction to immigration was experiential.
I went through the public school system and I saw how neighborhoods and communities that were previously idyllic, previously very safe, previously places that everyone wanted to live, weren't any of those things anymore.
And I saw how the education system in particular had become totally dysfunctional.
In my school, there were so many students, even though they had been potentially living
in America for quite some time, who were not even remotely fluent in English.
When it came time for standardized tests, and the school would be ranked, I have vivid
memories.
The test would be passed out, and some students who came from illegal families, when the test
came, they would just take it, turn it over, put their pencil down, and just sit for the
whole hour, just not even participating.
So I saw example after example after example in California how this wasn't working.
And so I went to Washington.
My first job actually was for Michelle Bachman.
I was her press secretary.
Fabulous.
Yes.
And there was a terrible tragedy that occurred.
In Minnesota, I think it was in a city called Cottonwood.
And now these kinds of things are so common, we hear about them all the time.
But an illegal alien driver, who there have been multiple opportunities for deportation, you know, fake documents, fake this, fake that, obviously couldn't read a stop sign, couldn't read anything, had no place behind a car, all kinds of issues, plowed right into a school bus.
I think four kids were killed as a result, don't know the exact number.
And it affected me so deeply, just looking at the pictures of these kids, five years
old, six years old, seven years old, their whole life stolen from them.
And if there was any particular moment in my life where I really said, this is when
I want to devote myself to, it was probably then and there.
And so then I continued through my whole time on Capitol Hill, using whatever mental faculties
God gave me to really devote myself to this issue.
Take us all the way up now to 20...
And when Donald Trump announced in his speech, that very day, I decided I was going to work for Donald Trump.
And I called Steve Bannon, in fact.
Oh, really?
And I said, Steve, you've got to put me in touch with Corey.
Corey Lewandowski.
Yeah.
And the rest, from that point in time, is history, as they say.
I'm just remembering now that the neurons are sparking.
A connection to my former Salem colleague, Larry Elder.
Weren't you a listener?
Yes, so during these high school years, I would go on Larry's show probably for a time every two weeks.
As a caller, right?
I wrote him a letter, an email.
He invited me on the show and then we would do regular segments every two weeks.
And it would just be to update on the goings on in my high school.
I went to Santa Monica High School, which was a large public school, about 3,400 students.
How did the school react to these updates?
I was the least liked man on campus, but I was very glad for it because You have to learn at some point in your life if you're going to be successful as a conservative, you have to learn to be loathed by the right people.
Yes.
You have to learn to, borrow a phrase from FDR, to welcome the hatred of the communists, the Marxists, the lefties, and all of those.
Because it's a sign that you're succeeding.
Yes.
If you are bad at what you did, they'd leave you alone.
It's very simple.
Yes.
Once that instinct is properly honed, in other words, once your mind is set right about good
validation and bad validation, in other words, if the New York Times is doing something right,
that's very bad validation, like run, run away.
If media matters is attacking you, then this is wonderful.
Once that's set right in your mind, then you can be remarkably effective and be a happy
warrior the whole time through.
I will just say this because it needs to be said.
However good you think President Trump was on the border, he was better because I know
what we faced.
I know every day there were 200 or almost 200 countries knocking on our door trying
to get in.
I know what he faced, how many world leaders he had to deal with.
I know the Congress he had to deal with, the courts he had to deal with, the deep state
he had to deal with.
I know what he had to deal with every day on that front and he still got it done.
This is something we forget far too often that we can kind of delete two years because of COVID.
What was achieved by our former boss in just two years?
Including subversive elements at all levels of government, from Vindman to John Kelly.
The fact that he achieved what he achieved is truly stunning.
We're talking to Stephen Miller.
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All right, let's come in with the president.
You know, when they let, I think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country,
when they do that, we got a lot of work to do.
They're poisoning the blood of our country.
That's what they've done.
They poison mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world.
They're coming into our country from Africa, from Asia, all over the world.
They're pouring into our country.
Nobody's even looking at them.
They just come in.
I like the phrase our guest Stephen Miller used instead of mainstream media, the corporate press.
The corporate press hated that part of President Trump's speech.
And that's good, as Stephen was saying, as Winston Churchill said, if you've made enemies, that's a good thing.
That means you've stood for something.
I had a rather peculiar relationship with my colleagues in the White House, some of them especially in the press department.
Because I told them, I don't talk to the press, off record, on record, on background.
If they're corporate press, they want to destroy President Trump, and they hate the people who voted for him.
So we have to understand, what did you say, the good validation and the bad validation, which is the corporate press.
He's absolutely right, of course.
Whether it's fentanyl, whether it's criminals, whether it's terrorists, the body of America is being poisoned every single day by illegals.
One last question, very simple, one prosaic one.
Walls, Stephen Miller, do they work?
Nothing works better.
And I'll just add this last point though, which is that the beauty of the Trump system, that will be put back into effect and then obviously built upon, is that not only was the wall built, but that anybody who tried to get around, under, through, whatever it was, to my earlier point, if our law enforcement put hands on you, The only place you ended up was on a plane or a bus out of the country.
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Not to Chicago.
Not to LA.
Back on the other side.
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