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	♪♪ Thank you for this opportunity to testify before you today.
	Against Ukraine.
	Not in the face of an intensifying strategic competition in the Indo-Pacific and around the
	world. We will must work hand in hand.
	Committee will suspend and again, I appreciate that people feel passionately about these issues.
	Just Antony Blinken's face is like the oh my gosh the pathetic little kid in high school.
	That was earlier today in Congress of all places where the man who allegedly is the chief diplomat of the most powerful nation in the world Antony I love my guitar Blinken was supposed to be testifying and instead there were people holding up Fake bloodied hands, people screaming about the children of Palestine!
	What was the commonality, Eric?
	Can you give me the one commonality of all the loonies who were shouting for the Arabs of the Middle East?
	They were all a bunch of old white protesters who honestly looked like they should be enjoying retirement right about now.
	Yeah, bingo.
	Sad sacks who've got nothing better to do than scream out their squeaky voice, pitched at the top of their voices.
	Just an utter, complete embarrassment.
	Welcome, dear friends!
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, and my oh my, do we have a special guest for you in the third hour today.
	I'm not even going to reveal it yet.
	If you follow me on Twitter and Facebook, you'll know.
	We'll give it away with a bit of special music in a moment, but first things first.
	Why are you surprised that this is... Okay, let's talk about the left for a second.
	Alex, are you there?
	Alex.
	I'm here.
	Okay.
	Would you say you're a conservative or a liberal?
	Are you left-wing or right-wing?
	Definitely right-wing.
	Okay, you're a good guy.
	Say there's a country you know nothing about.
	Let's pick one.
	Do you know a lot about the Maldives, Alex?
	I do not.
	Okay, if you were told that as a conservative you must support what the Maldives is doing or you must hate what the Maldives is doing, would you automatically do those things?
	No, I do my own research.
	Yeah, because you're normal.
	You've got a brain.
	You'd actually check it out, right?
	You don't take orders from your party, correct?
	Correct.
	Thank you.
	You just helped me illustrate a point.
	Look at the left today, ladies and gentlemen.
	Look at their attitude to two wars.
	The war in Europe and the new war in the Middle East.
	Oh, by the way, isn't it strange, Eric, that we didn't have to talk about wars for four years under President Trump?
	Isn't that weird?
	It was a breath of fresh air for my generation especially, first president in 40 years to not get us in a new war.
	We didn't have to talk about war, and now we're talking about multiple wars in different parts of the world!
	It's insane!
	Okay, so let's look at the multiple wars in just the last two and a half years.
	The left, when it comes to Ukraine, They're just like what?
	I mean, look, don't confuse this with my attitude.
	I think, you know, Ukraine should be supported by us to fight there for their freedom.
	OK?
	Fine.
	But I made that argument almost every day on this show.
	But the left, you've got to have your Ukraine flag on your front lawn.
	You've got to have your Slava Ukraine.
	You know, you've got to have your social media posts about this and that that supports Ukraine.
	Without any thought, because you're just told to.
	But when it comes to Israel, it's the opposite?
	Why is that?
	That's so strange.
	Is it because they simply do what they're told to do, and unlike Alex, they don't do any of their due diligence, they don't check out for themselves?
	I think that's a large part of it.
	Or, Is it also because they're racists?
	Or more specifically, they're anti-Semites?
	Here's a good example.
	This is Joy Reid who Really doesn't like the Bible.
	And she clearly isn't just a homophobe.
	Look up homophobe Joy Reid and blog and you'll find out how much she hates the gays.
	She's clearly also an anti-Semite.
	Joy Reid!
	Cut eight!
	Netanyahu gave a war speech over the weekend that can only be described as a religious call to arms, citing a biblical reference when saying, quote, you must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our holy Bible, unquote.
	Now for those not familiar with the biblical term Amalek, here is the relevant quotation from 1 Samuel 15, 3.
	Now go, attack the Immokalites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.
	Do not spare them.
	Put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
	Which does not sound like self-defense.
	Frankly, it sounds a lot more like a call for genocide.
	Oh, so the Jews are the genocidal maniacs.
	It's so strange that the people who suffered a loss of six million of their co-religionists in the space of just six years They're the ones who are the occupiers, the oppressors, the genocidal maniacs.
	It's so strange, isn't it?
	Because if they were, I'd like to know, why do they only have a sliver of land in the Middle East with only 9 million people on that territory?
	And if they're such racists, how is it, for example, that there's a Muslim Israeli on the Supreme Court?
	of that nation.
	If they really are about wiping out the donkeys as well as the women and children, you'd expect them probably not to have an Arab, not to have a Muslim on the highest court of the land.
	As I wrote just yesterday for the amazing organization AMAC, we are all Jews today.
	Why?
	Because what do the jihadis say?
	They say first we come for and kill the Saturday people, the people who celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday.
	And then we come for the Sunday people.
	That's you.
	That's the Christians.
	This is a civilizational war, and Bibi Netanyahu is right.
	Everyone responsible for what occurred to that nation on October the 7th must be smited, must be destroyed.
	Because there is no negotiating with evil.
	The left would have you believe that, you know, people just do bad things.
	For specific reasons of poverty, lack of education.
	But not because they're bad.
	People aren't bad.
	Everybody's good.
	Everybody's malleable.
	Just like the Soviets believed in Homo Sovieticus.
	Everyone can be engineered into perfection.
	No.
	From Cain all the way through to Hamas, there are those who give in to the evil and thus become evil.
	And they must be eradicated from the earth.
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	you Making sense out of today's nonsense, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	We try!
	We try!
	Sometimes it's a challenge but thank you to all of you for your support and especially for the amazing more than three hundred thousand dollars that you've helped to raise for the Benai Zion Medical Center in Israel that is literally saving lives right now.
	God bless all of you.
	I mentioned it on my Newsmax show.
	I mentioned it here last week as a request to a rabbi friend of mine and You guys have just been truly amazing.
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	You are literally saving lives.
	The anti-Semitism we're witnessing is sadly not a function of just Gaza or the West Bank.
	It is a global phenomena.
	I hadn't even seen this before.
	You know, we've been covering Black Lives Matter for a long time.
	This is a video that's been recommended to me from the Coalition for Jewish Values.
	And it's the words, there's a strong music undertone.
	Apologies for that on radio.
	This is Patrice Couloz.
	Remember the woman who said she is a trained Marxist, one of the co-founders of BLM?
	Listen to what Patrice Couloz says about Israel.
	They didn't hide their anti-Semitism.
	If we don't step up boldly and courageously to end the imperialist project that's called Israel, we're doomed.
	Despite this, professional sports teams ignored their bigotry.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	I thought it was about equity for minorities.
	I guess Jews aren't included.
	Let's talk to the man who told me about that video.
	He's a good friend of America First.
	I see him at all the right places.
	He is the managing director of the Coalition for Jewish Values, Rabbi Yaakov Menkin.
	Welcome back to the Salem News Network.
	Glad to be with you.
	So Rabbi, tell us a little bit more about that video.
	And I thought, you know, Black Lives Matter are supposed to be fighting for equity for minorities.
	Does that not apply to Jews?
	Well, listen to what she said there.
	She said, if we don't stop Israel, we are doomed.
	She didn't say that about Iran.
	She didn't say that about North Korea.
	She didn't say it about Cuba.
	She didn't say it about Russia.
	She said it about Israel.
	It's kind of amazing when you think about it, but the anti-Semites of the world are that threatened by Jews being allowed to exist.
	So it's very clear that she's not just a Marxist.
	She's an anti-Semite.
	Well, come on.
	There are nine million Jews in Israel.
	I mean, it's huge.
	It's surrounded by only, what is it, 280 million Arabs that a lot of them want to have them pushed into the sea.
	Let's talk seriously about this global phenomenon.
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	Don, Victor, Ray.
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	Kristallnacht in 1938 that is the beginning of the Holocaust when you know
	Jews were targeted by the Nazi Party and it became okay to target Jews but that's
	Germany Yes, it led to the Holocaust, but it was at that time
	It was delimited to the territory of the Third Reich.
	We're seeing people outside the Sydney Opera House screaming, you know, gas the Jews.
	We had people walking on the streets of New York with massive banners right after the attacks in Israel that said, globalize the Intifada.
	I don't want to be a chicken little, but Rabbi Menken Is it possible that the antisemitism of 2023 is even more dangerous because it is far more globalized than the antisemitism of Germany in 1938?
	I don't think you're being alarmist, but I do think there was a lot of sympathy for the Nazis back in the 1930s, even in America.
	The universities that today are allowing these horrific anti-Semitic marches across campus were the same places that were welcoming Nazis to speak, even as late as 1935.
	Yeah.
	So this is actually not without precedent.
	In fact, one of the biggest mistakes the Jewish left ever made was that they said, oh, the Holocaust was an aberration.
	The Holocaust was a one-time thing.
	No, no, not at all.
	When I say that these people are actual Nazis, this isn't an exaggeration.
	This is not one of those comparison of detention facilities at the southern border to death camps like AOC.
	This is the real deal.
	We have anti-Semites goose-stepping their way through Congress.
	We have Nazis, like you said, in Australia.
	We have them on university campuses.
	And yeah, we've got them aplenty in the Arab world today, sadly.
	So, one of the strangest moments for me in the first few days of the White House was my friend Boris.
	Epstein, who's a practicing Jew, he just grabbed me in the corridor one day and he said, come over here, come over here, come over to the Indian Treaty Room.
	And like, why do I need to go to the Indian Treaty Room?
	And the room was full of Orthodox Jews, rabbis, that were there as part of the Jewish outreach of the Trump administration.
	And it was the funniest thing because I quietly crept into the meeting and Boris was trying to talk to them and then suddenly a half of the room stood up and saw me and came to me because they listened to me on John Batchelor's show back then and I guess I have this Orthodox following in New York.
	Rabbi, 92% of Orthodox Jews vote for President Trump.
	They understand his love of Israel and his love of our shared Judeo-Christian civilization.
	In the last two minutes we have, Do you have a message for your secular Jewish American colleagues?
	Can you talk to them about it's time to wake up, please?
	I think that what happened October 7th is a huge wake-up call.
	If anybody has any attachment to Jewish values or the importance of Jewish peoplehood and our own self-defense and recognizing the dangers we face.
	Actually, I don't know, Dr. Gorg, if you recall, the first time we met is when our organization was very young.
	And we got to have a meeting with you in the Eisenhower building of the White House to talk about the dangers.
	And people were busy calling you an anti-Semite.
	It was just catastrophically wrong.
	It was just, oh my goodness, here was a guy who was the expert on terrorism and its impact on the Jewish community and the importance of Jewish self-protection.
	You know, if those people didn't wake up now after October 7th, nothing will wake them up.
	But I certainly hope that those people are now coming around to realize, you know, we have real friends and, unfortunately, we have real enemies.
	Beautifully put.
	Thank you, Rabbi.
	Please follow this gentleman and Y Mencken on Twitter and also the coalitionforjewishvalues.org.
	He's the managing director there.
	That's all together coalitionforjewishvalues.org.
	The Discussion shall be continued.
	Thank you, Rabbi.
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	Next up, your calls, 833-33-GORKER.
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	If anybody drops off, the number is 833-334-6752.
	And we might divulge to you who our special guest is in the third hour.
	stay on this channel.
	Titles!
	Ummm...
	Ahhh...
	. . .
	Time for the secular Jews to wake up.
	That's for the rabbi, okay.
	Then for Caroline, what's a good one for Caroline?
	Maybe just like why Palestine isn't real or something like that?
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Where is that?
	You know, that's right, in New York City.
	Why?
	The truth about the label, the truth about the word Palestine.
	And the mono.
	Was there nothing more powerful that she said there?
	I think that's the most important message to take away from it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Mono.
	I did Blinken.
	Joy Reid.
	Oh, Joy Reid.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's probably it, yeah.
	Add antisemite to Joy Reid's homophobia.
	Joy Reid's homophobia, yep.
	Alright, we've got time for these cuts.
	And if you want to use any cuts from yesterday, because I know there's a lot we didn't use.
	I know, there are.
	And I have those cut sheets here of all yesterday's cuts.
	Oh yeah, can you, can you, do you know which ones we didn't use?
	Because there were some I do want to get to.
	We did, let's see, we used Pence and Haley.
	We did not use the Kirby, the one him talking about the rising Muslim hate, just as much as anti-Semitism.
	With like the lawnmowers in the background.
	John Kirby asked no plan to get Americans out of Gaza.
	We did that one.
	We used Kushner.
	We didn't use Vivek.
	We didn't talk about Psaki bashing Mike Johnson.
	Or Mike Johnson.
	We did.
	For being a fundamentalist, we did.
	Oh, hang on.
	Actually, that's good for black.
	Saki, Mike Johnson.
	We did the Kamala cuts.
	We didn't do the Kamala gun ban cut, but we did the one about Biden being unpopular.
	We did both Trump cuts.
	Trump won't obey the gag order so they need to jail him.
	That's from Jill Winebanks on MSNBC.
	What's his name?
	Jill Winebanks is what's written here.
	Winebanks.
	And that's what, MSNBC?
	MSNBC.
	MSNBC.
	I'll use that with black and that's gag.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We played the Moscow Mob.
	Yep.
	We did the names of the main victims.
	Yep.
	Congressman McCormick, we did that.
	Okay.
	The Shah of Iran, we, I think we, did we play that one yesterday with the previous?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Oh no, we played it in a break.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	We didn't play the actual, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Then Noah Tishby, we played that.
	The Thank You from the Medical Center, we played that, and then Pence, yeah, and then the 20 Judith Butler on Hamas.
	Okay, good.
	Alright, I might use Saki, Winebanks, and the Shah.
	Yep.
	From yesterday, alright?
	6, 11, and 16.
	Yep.
	Alright, sounds good.
	Alright, I won't know the numbers, I'm just gonna describe them to you, okay?
	Sure.
	Let me mark them down then.
	Okay.
	Silence.
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	You're not allowed to hear the line of music for some stupid copyright reason, but we played the theme from Cheers, a TV show of my childhood, maybe yours as well.
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	Okay, let's get back to the real world.
	A very clear statement from the Prime Minister of Israel of what the reality is of the war he's fighting.
	Cut 4, Bibi Netanyahu.
	I want to make clear Israel's position regarding the ceasefire.
	Just as the United States would not agree to a ceasefire after the bombing of Pearl Harbor or after the terrorist attack of 9-11, Israel will not agree to a cessation of hostilities with Hamas after the horrific attacks of October 7th.
	Calls for a ceasefire are calls for Israel to surrender to Hamas.
	Perfect point.
	Who called for a ceasefire after 2,000 people were killed on Pearl Harbor?
	Why should it happen to Israel?
	They need to destroy the threat to their country.
	And that's what they are doing.
	Let's go to your calls.
	The number is 83333 Gorka.
	Let's go to Ali in Oakland, California.
	Hi there.
	Hey.
	I was just wondering whether the support of the Europeans for the Israeli bombardment of Palestinians, etc.
	is based on guilt for not protecting them against the Nazis.
	Protecting who?
	You mean protecting the Jews?
	That's it?
	Please, if you want to make a point, don't be a coward and drop off.
	That's really pathetic.
	By the way, there's no such thing as a Palestinian.
	It is a Roman insult for the people of Israel.
	Philistine.
	Call Ali.
	Don't be a coward.
	Call back.
	Have a conversation.
	Don't be a little girl.
	You know the number.
	833-33-GORKA.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	And by the way, if you think that's the case, what's the excuse for supporting the children being burnt alive and decapitated?
	What's the excuse for that, Ali?
	Love to hear your excuse.
	Let's go to Don!
	He was first off, Los Angeles.
	Dr. G, Rolling Thunder on the right.
	Great to talk to you again, even it's under these sad days.
	Yes.
	You know, I was just listening to that Bozo, I mean that gentleman that just called, and it's like, it's really, it's really, it would be comical if it weren't so vile.
	Israel isn't bombing the Palestinians.
	They're bombing Hamas, but Hamas uses the Palestinian people for human child, human shields, another war crime.
	Besides the attacks they made in the first place, they're holding them hostage.
	They're sequestering basically all the aid.
	Anyway, you know, you know the story.
	And it's so weird that nobody is demanding, as Biden demanded of Bibi, that Hamas abide by the Geneva Conventions.
	It's weird.
	Why does only Israel have to abide by the Geneva Conventions, Don?
	Yeah, I think it was Abba Eban who said that people expect the Jews to be the only Christians of the world.
	But, you know, there's a very interesting thing, you know, when there's Patrisse Cullors and all that stuff.
	She uses a similar term for America.
	She calls about they want to eradicate the white settler state.
	That's us.
	You know, the same like the way they want to eliminate the Zionist entity, you know, in the Middle East.
	Yeah.
	You know, there was these Islamic kids way back, I was picking up a class out of a local community college,
	and they were having like an Islamic awareness week. This is back in the 90s, I think.
	And we were having a talk and they wanted, oh, that was when the sanctions were on against Saddam Hussein,
	and they were wanting you to sign a petition to lift the sanctions.
	I said, no, if he gets rid of his atomic weapons program, that'll get rid of the sanctions.
	It's not on us, it's on him.
	And then I asked him, just conversationally, I said, you don't think there should be any Jews in the Middle East, do you?
	And he looked at me, nice young fellow, and he goes, that's true.
	Wow.
	Well, there you go.
	You've got the bottom.
	You've got the truth of it.
	This is all the function of a deep, deep-seated antisemitism that finds its home today on the left, not on the right.
	Thank you, Don.
	Ali is back.
	We'll take his call in the break because we're up against the break.
	Don't go anywhere, Victor, Frank, and our good buddy Ray, but we'll talk to Ali in the break.
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	Carry on Ali.
	Oh, well, yeah.
	Sorry, I got cut off.
	But yeah, that was my comment.
	I just feel like we're giving Israel a carte blanche to treat the Palestinians like, you know, pretty much like prisoners.
	What do you mean prisoners?
	You know it's Egypt that blocked the border with Gaza.
	It wasn't Israel.
	Why are you talking prisoners?
	They're run by Hamas.
	Gaza is run by terrorists.
	So if there's any prison, it's being run by Hamas.
	No, no, no.
	The prison has been there for the long... The wall was built by Israel, right?
	But Egypt can open it.
	It's Egypt's border.
	Do you understand the geography of the Middle East?
	Gaza borders Egypt and the sea.
	It is one of the most prime real estates in the region.
	Why does Egypt and Jordan not want any Palestinians?
	Why have they closed entry into their countries for Palestinians?
	Can you explain that to me, Ali?
	Well, what I'm going to say is that Palestinians don't want to leave Palestine.
	Oh, bullshit!
	Bullshit!
	You're telling... It's such a prison they don't want to leave.
	Either it's a prison or they want to leave.
	You can't have it both ways.
	Well, it's a prison.
	If it's a prison, they don't want to leave?
	Would you want to leave from a prison, Ali?
	Yes, I would.
	But the point is that I would still want to be, you know, open to keeping my own land as where I belong.
	But it's not their land.
	It's been the Jewish territory since before Islam was ever created.
	What are you talking about?
	6,000 years of history.
	Palestine was a word the Romans invented to insult the Jews.
	It is the Roman word for Philistine.
	Do you know that, Ali?
	So that's justifying that kind of treatment the Palestinians are being given?
	No, but it undermines your bullshit fake history.
	It's not a prison, and it's not their territory.
	Oh, and by the way, they were offered a two-state solution in 1947 by the UN.
	Tell me, Ali, why did the Arabs refuse a two-state solution back in 1947?
	20 seconds.
	You need to educate yourself.
	Educate yourself.
	You are a useful idiot.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
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	Sebastian.
	Yeah.
	I may have an idea how to stop this trial in Colorado to keep Trump off the ballot.
	My late fiancé, Amy, was really into history, and we were talking about the 14th Amendment, Section 3.
	And it turns out that in May 22nd, 1872, Congress passed something called the Political Handicap Act, where it forgave a lot of the Confederates who did not really take part in the war amnesty.
	So that took out Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
	But it didn't just apply to Confederate politicians?
	I think it applied to everybody.
	But anyway, that's a good starting point for Trump's lawyers to look at.
	Yeah, I'll check it out.
	The Political Handicap Act.
	I'll have a look at that.
	But at the end of the day, it's not about law.
	You know it's not about law.
	It's about persecution.
	May 22nd, 1872 is when the act was passed.
	1872.
	Alright, I've got it.
	I love it.
	Thank you, Victor.
	Your late fiancé was clearly a true history buff.
	Let's go to Ray in Livermore!
	Ray?
	Ray?
	Are you there?
	Yes, can you hear me?
	Yes, yes.
	Oh, it's very bad.
	Your Bluetooth is not too hot, so stay on the line.
	Let's see if we can get you to do something about your Bluetooth.
	Let's go to Frank in L.A.
	Gee, how you doing?
	Good!
	Good, good, good.
	So you said something at the top of the show that I disagree with some of it, and I agree with some of it, and that was that you said, you know, during Trump's reign, we never got into any wars, you know, first president for however many decades it was.
	But then you said, you know, there was no talk of war.
	And I disagree with that because all the left did, all the mainstream media, the whole time they said,
	Trump's going to get us into World War III.
	He's going to run us into...
	And, you know, once again, just as the left does, they were projecting onto him what they're actually doing
	themselves.
	No, you're absolutely right, Frank.
	I salute you there.
	What I meant, I guess, was that the sane people weren't talking about war all the time.
	The left wasn't.
	Do you remember how they kept saying that we are literally on the next tweet and it's going to be nuclear war with North Korea?
	Do you remember that, Frank?
	Exactly.
	And that's what I mean.
	They kept projecting, you know, all the stuff that they really want.
	Well, you're getting a little bit... I'm not sure that can be backed up.
	system with the left, they want to have depopulation and what better way than a war.
	I'm not sure that can be backed up. I think there are some who wish that to occur, but
	the idea that that's the actual, you know, the genesis of it all.
	I think it's just making money.
	I love your point about that.
	Your correction is well taken.
	Stay on the line.
	Let's give Frank one of our Trump 2024 mugshot mugs.
	That's a good reward for that great call.
	Ray in Livermore, do we have a better connection to you?
	Line four.
	I got you on speaker.
	Can you hear me now, Dr. James?
	Yes, much better.
	Got you perfectly.
	Five by five.
	You open the show with someone reading from the Bible about God instructing Israel to destroy a people.
	Yeah.
	Now, there's a very specific people that were ordered to be destroyed.
	When Israel, the descendants of Israel, entered the Promised Land, they were ordered to drive the people off of the land because of their inequity.
	Those aren't the people that There were people who attacked Israel along the way.
	They were called Amalek.
	And Amalek was, from what I understand, the offspring or the descendants of Esau.
	Esau and Jacob had a very big problem between one another.
	Esau wanted to kill Jacob at one time.
	So this problem that we're having here goes back a very long way.
	It's Ishmael and Isaac.
	It's Esau and Jacob.
	But Amalek is a very evil and historic enemy to Israel because they attacked the Israeli children from behind.
	They attacked the infirmed, the old, the women, the children.
	They are cowards.
	Amalek fights like a coward, and Hamas is a coward that fights in the spirit of Amalek.
	And thus must be destroyed in the same way that God ordered Amalek to be destroyed.
	This is like cutting cancer out of your body.
	You don't make a deal with it.
	And tell the cancer just to stay in the leg or the arm.
	You cut it out.
	Wow!
	A new side of Ray I hadn't seen before.
	Theological exegesis.
	Not from the New Testament, but the Old Testament.
	My word, we salute you.
	Get back on the road, my man.
	I know you own your own business.
	I'm sure you're driving to the next job.
	But that, that was impressive.
	Let's squeeze in one more call.
	Todd, Atlanta.
	Yes.
	Yes, Dr. Gorka, I wanted to comment about BLM and the white settlers.
	When Israel became a nation back in 1948... No, no, it became a nation once more.
	Once more, rebirth, yes.
	The Islamo-Marxists drove out all of the people of color who were Jewish from Morocco and from Persia, and Israel's been bringing in Ethiopian Jews since the 1980s.
	I've seen them.
	You go to Israel and you've got black citizens of Israel from Africa.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, bingo.
	And people don't realize what you're talking about, Todd.
	When Israel was reborn in 48, hundreds, literally hundreds of thousands of Jews were expelled from the Arab nations of the region just because, you know, Israel has a home again?
	Oh, well, we're going to kick you out of our country.
	That's the tolerance I guess we expect from Arab nations and the left today.
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	I know that Alabama, like, we're I tend to be a Republican and all that stuff, but I'm from Fairhope, Alabama, where I think there is a lot of that like virtue signaling kind of thing.
	I'm scared that the people are going to be rich snobs and vote for Biden, and so I wonder, should I try and campaign for Trump?
	Like, and if so, how should I?
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	Lily, California.
	Hey Sebastian, this is Lily's family.
	How you doing?
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	As a 23-year-old who came out of university, more of a conservative than when I went in, the amount of misinformation is mind-boggling.
	I'm wondering, you know, you're an expert in jihad.
	How in the world can we help the millennials and the Gen Z understand the extreme gravity of what is going on?
	Wow, great question.
	Thank you, Lilly.
	Thank you for calling in.
	So many ways to do that.
	Number one, the stories, the real stories, what has happened in Israel.
	If you tell the story, they're all over Twitter, of the families that were murdered, the children that were murdered.
	Tell the stories or listen to the Israelis.
	And more important, on the longer scheme of things, Lilly, You know better than anyone else, if you stayed a conservative or came out more of a conservative after you went to college, it's because of things like PragerU.
	It's because of things like Turning Point USA.
	Two of the most important organizations in the nation that are clawing back the youth.
	So, use the videos.
	Dennis Prager's five-minute video on the Middle East and who the real, real bad guys are is stunning.
	Likewise, what Charlie Kirk is doing with his organization It's truly, you know, definitive.
	So PragerU, Turning Point USA, and stories of those who know the truth.
	Great question, Lily.
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	Of course.
	Can you give me line two, please, Eric?
	Line two.
	Yeah, what do you want?
	you Hello?
	Yes, what do you want?
	Yeah, what I want is we need to abandon Israel.
	Uh, no we don't.
	You're a Nazi.
	Go away.
	No, buddy.
	Bye-bye.
	We don't need them.
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	Okay.
	I'm going to play you a cut from Brit Hume about the rising tide of anti-Semitism and then we will wend our way to the Middle East.
	All right.
	Stand by.
	20 seconds.
	Yep.
	I'm gonna...
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	Damn.
	Welcome back dear friends.
	We are about a week away from the anniversary of Kristallnacht in 1938 and we are in a peculiar situation where we see Anti-Semitism all around the globe.
	It's not just in the beer halls of Munich.
	We're seeing it outside the Sydney Opera House.
	We're seeing it on the streets of UK.
	We're seeing it in China.
	Absolutely stunning.
	And even Brit Hume, that maven of the media, sounds a little bit surprised.
	This was with Bret Baier yesterday.
	Cut six.
	So Britt, quickly, are you surprised, I think I am, by the breadth and depth of the anti-Semitism, not only around the world, but here in this country?
	Exactly.
	You know, we saw that hideous incident yesterday in Russia, where that plane landed and was greeted by a mob shouting for the heads of the Jews.
	But in the American college campuses and elsewhere in this country, we see this.
	You know, I thought, to me, anti-Semitism was something that many, many years ago in this country was kind of common, it was casual, but it was widespread.
	I thought it had become a sentiment that you never wanted to be caught dead expressing, no matter what you felt, that it was unacceptable, taboo.
	I guess not, because what we're seeing now is a lot more of it than I ever imagined even existed.
	A lot more of it than I imagined ever existed.
	Let's analyze and break down the events of the last three weeks with one of your favorites, our regular author of the book, Donald J. Trump, a president like no other, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks, Sebastian.
	Is it fair to make the observations that those two journalists made?
	Because if we go back in time, there was not just isolationism in America, there was also, you know, pro-Nazi sentiment, the Lindberghs et al.
	Or are we looking at something qualitatively different in terms of the breadth across the world of what seems to be globalized antisemitism?
	It's so complicated, and it's so tangled up with these questions about allocation of territory in the Middle East that it's a little difficult to answer without seeming to be flippant.
	But I want to agree with, I don't always agree with Brit Hume, but I do certainly agree with Brit on this.
	I had no idea that there was the The anti-semitism in this continent that has been manifest because, you see, it is an absolute nonsense for these demonstrators to claim that they are merely championing a Palestinian state.
	Everyone knows Palestine could have had a state any time in the last 25 years, but they
	would not accept the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state.
	So what they're really calling for is not only their own state, but the elimination
	of the state of Israel as a Jewish state, and either subjugation, expulsion, or murder
	of the Jews.
	And there, and for all they would care, anyone else as well, although that's even they acknowledge
	is beyond their jurisdiction.
	But I mean, I understand the Palestinians want a state.
	I do not agree that their claims are as legitimate as they say.
	But in fairness, as we've discussed before, in the pressures of World War I, the British effectively promised the same territory to both the Palestinians and the Jews.
	So there is some element of a claim the Palestinians have.
	But that is a claim to part of that territory.
	It's not a claim to exterminate or cause to cease to exist.
	the Jewish state of Israel.
	And when people are in effect demanding termination of the Jewish state of Israel, I am afraid
	that what they are—the position they're taking is, to use your phrase, qualitatively
	undistinguishable from the Nazis.
	Now, I don't know that Palestinian opinion would attempt to have the ability to produce
	such a so-called solution as the Nazis did, but it certainly wouldn't be surprising.
	And those who can continue to demonstrate all over the world in favor of a movement that has just committed the utter infamy that Hamas did three weeks ago, They cannot spare themselves or defend themselves from the charge of being qualitatively indistinguishable from the Nazis.
	Older people than we remember, and all of us have read, of the tremendous rage of the United States after the attack at Pearl Harbor.
	The Japanese didn't attack civilians.
	I mean, it was outrageous what they did, but they weren't military targets.
	There have been many comparisons with 9-11, and I think that's a perfectly fair comparison.
	But even that was just a massacre of the innocents without regard to who they were.
	I mean, Bin Laden didn't stipulate that they couldn't kill a single Muslim.
	He just wanted to take the buildings down and make a display.
	And this is a particularly odious and evil series of acts that, in effect, these demonstrators are defending as a legitimate gesture in what they claim is a resistance.
	Of course it isn't a resistance.
	They can have their state any time they want it.
	Well, they were offered it back in 1947.
	I mean... They were offered it then and they've been offered it repeatedly by the Israeli government in the last 30 years.
	And under, I think, five different prime ministers of three different parties.
	And they wouldn't take it because...
	From the river to the sea as the chant goes.
	this fiction in world opinion that all they wanted was a little territory for themselves,
	since they would not accept the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state, it was a fraud.
	They weren't just asking for a state, they were asking for the extermination of another
	state.
	From the river to the sea as the chant goes.
	You are a historian of Notelord Black and I want to share this little video clip I found
	yesterday, quite remarkable, on the topic of Palestine from the soon to be deposed Shah
	of Iran, talking to Mike Wallace back in 1978.
	It's a fascinating clip.
	Let's play it, Eric.
	The Palestinians obviously had the sympathy of many, many people, many, almost all the countries in the world, prosecuted people, stateless people.
	Looking for a home or something.
	You know exactly like the sympathy that the Jews had when they were searching for a home.
	Right.
	But our good Palestinian friends must know that there is only a limit to where they can go and bully the world.
	Bully the world?
	Yes, by terrorism and blackmailing and this and that.
	You know perfectly well, Your Majesty, That the leaders of the Arab world find the Palestinians as much a problem, almost, as the Israelis do.
	Isn't that a fact?
	What I can say is that they should really open their eyes, reassert their situation.
	And if there is a hierarchy and someone there in command... Of the Palestinians, you mean?
	of the Palestinians to start a new policy, because the actual one is going to lead them nowhere.
	With whom do they really have understanding?
	With Assad?
	With Sadat?
	With Hussein?
	That's a very good question.
	A wry smile, that's a very good question.
	Isn't this the subject that isn't spoken of enough?
	The Arab nation's relation to the quote-unquote Palestinians, Lord Black.
	Entirely.
	I mean, I know from my having been the owner of the Jerusalem Post for many years, and having got around that area and met the Arab leaders as well as the Israeli ones, that, I mean, not all the Arab leaders, but many of them, that when you got them to speak informally, and not for the record, they basically consider the Palestinians, the Lebanese Christians, and the Jews all to be sharp, you know, sharp, smart people.
	Who have taken advantage of the Arabs.
	I mean, the non-Palestinian Arabs.
	And the whole Palestinian issue was devised by Nasser and taken up by most of the Arab world, really as a distraction of the Arab masses for the misgovernment they were receiving from almost all of their rulers.
	The whole thing has been a fraud, and unfortunately The Palestinians themselves, especially the PLO, didn't
	realize, I mean, they actually apparently believed the Arabs' leaders liked them.
	And they didn't understand that when Turkey and Iran, after the utterly infamous behavior
	of the Carter administration and under Qatar and the Shah, and we've just heard in the
	undercutting the Shah, and we've just heard in the cut you had a few minutes ago how great a
	cut you had a few minutes ago how great a statesman we lost in that case compared to
	statesman we lost in that case compared to the lunatics that have come after him in Iran,
	the lunatics that have come after him in Iran, that when utterly infamous behavior of the Carter administration and
	that when this militant Islamic Iran and Turkey, having had the door slammed in its face by
	the enlightened Europeans, attempted to encroach upon the Arab world, the Arab powers
	have recognized that Israel is a valuable ally against their ancient Turkish and
	Persian enemies.
	The whole game has changed.
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	Yeah, and I actually knew Mike Wallace a little bit.
	I have a better opinion of him than of his son, but I thought he actually handled that interview well, but I thought the show was really impressive.
	Incredibly so.
	Incredibly so.
	Will you excuse me for a second, Conrad?
	Give me line three again.
	I'm not putting you on air, you know that, right?
	Hello?
	Yes.
	You know I'm not putting you on air.
	We don't put anti-Semites on the air.
	Wait a second.
	Why not?
	Because I don't put anti-Semites on the air.
	Is there some universal law that everyone has to like Jews?
	If you are an anti-Semite, you don't get on my program.
	It's very simple.
	I don't hate Jews.
	You said basically they can go to hell.
	No, I said they're... I didn't say... When did I say that?
	You said that we shouldn't help them, right?
	Correct.
	Well, then you're not coming on my show.
	That doesn't mean I'm an anti-Semite.
	Well, you just said you don't want to... You don't like them.
	You just said that.
	They're in the wrong!
	Why are they in the wrong?
	Okay.
	They took over that land.
	You're a cretin.
	You're a cretin.
	You know they've been there for thousands of years.
	You know that's the Jewish homeland.
	You know that Islam didn't exist until the 7th century.
	I mean, really, go away and buy a book and read it.
	Go away.
	Get rid of him.
	Thank you.
	Damn, damn good.
	That was excellent, Sebastian.
	Unbelievable.
	I mean, sometimes we put them on air, but anti-Semites, not so much.
	No, no.
	I mean, a guy like that is just too belligerent.
	You know, life is too short for that kind of nonsense.
	I mean, I understand not everyone has to love the Jews, but there are serious issues here, and Israel has the same right to exist as any other state.
	I might actually broach that issue with you on air about...
	The recrudescence of isolationism on this issue on the right.
	I think that might be worthy of discussion.
	Yeah, and you see it on the Ukrainian thing, too.
	I mean, I'm shocked by the isolationist positions of some friends of mine, you know?
	Let's talk about that.
	But first... Johnson or the Cut-11 MSNBC?
	Actually, actually... Actually... Those being from yesterday, of course.
	I'll use Kinzinger.
	I'll use Cut One instead.
	I'll do PhD, I'll do Kinzinger, and then we'll talk about the isolationism.
	Yep.
	Okay, perfect.
	One minute.
	60 seconds.
	And you can block the lines.
	Yep.
	There we go.
	PhD.
	Yes, PhD, correct.
	Yep.
	I have a regular guest now on my show, my old White House colleague Tom Rose, who was
	work for the Jerusalem Post.
	Indeed.
	Please give him my compliments.
	I shall, I shall.
	He's my correspondent.
	He worked for Pence, didn't he?
	Yeah, he was his senior foreign policy advisor.
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	We will return to the region because we have to.
	Geopolitics, as the Chinese say, as the curse goes, we are living in interesting times.
	Let's look inwardly for a moment.
	President Trump seems to be every day tackling new gag orders, new indictments.
	Here we have a former congressman, Adam Kinzinger, predicting what will happen to America if the people are allowed to choose 45 becoming 47.
	A 45 becoming 47.
	Cut one.
	Because Anderson, I really believe it's down to one issue on the ballot.
	Not taxes, not even abortion, nothing.
	The one issue is, do you believe in democracy, or do you believe in authoritarianism?
	And I think that's the only thing we should be voting on.
	Because you see a legitimate slide to authoritarianism if Donald Trump is re-elected.
	I see, if he's re-elected, not a slide, a sprint.
	Not a slide to authoritarianism, Lord Black.
	A sprint to authoritarianism in America if the people want President Trump back.
	Are you putting a question to me?
	I'm just reiterating what was said and waiting for a reaction because it's beyond belief.
	It was a complaint fraud.
	It was basically read out of the Republican Party by a stab in the back of the president who was the leader of his party.
	And he is, I don't know much about him other than, all I know about him is that he's one of these pathological Trump haters.
	And I did read a very interesting piece the other day, you may have seen it, many of your listeners might have, on ten people Who have lost their minds, literally become deranged, ludicrous, babbling idiots over Donald Trump.
	You know, these people we've discussed who are rational people, but when the word Trump is uttered, a trap door opens in their forehead and a cuckoo bird flies out and starts screeching.
	And Kinzinger is one of them.
	I mean, they had in there General Milley and Chris Wallace and What's her name?
	Rosen and John Bolt and a number of other people.
	Vindman.
	Don't forget Colonel Vindman.
	Yeah, but you know, Kinzinger's like that.
	I mean, he's just one of these people.
	He may have other merits, though I've certainly not ever seen any, but on the issue of Trump, he is simply a babbling lunatic, and he should not be taken any more seriously than that loopy who phoned you a few minutes ago, claiming that the United States should not give any assistance to Israel.
	Let's talk about that loopy person you had the distinct displeasure of hearing in the break.
	Let's address the broader issue.
	I don't let anti-Semites on the show, especially of that ilk, but there is this branch or this splinter in the conservative movement that does say, this isn't our war, this is Israel's to solve, and it has nothing to do with us.
	Can one be a conservative and say that the slaughter of innocents in Israel is irrelevant?
	No, I don't think so.
	And I have to say, I have not heard it formulated so starkly as that by anyone that I would take seriously.
	There is a bit of an element of isolationism.
	And by the way, in reference to that person who phoned, my guess is you wouldn't have
	anyone on who was as hostile as this guy was to Jews if it were hostile to other people
	like the Palestinians.
	My impression is you aren't interested in having hate mongers come onto your program
	and waste the time of your listeners and yourself, regardless of who it is they're antagonistic
	to.
	But I find this isolationist movement much stronger in respect of Ukraine, which obviously
	has less of a call on the heartstrings and emotion and tradition of the American public
	than Israel does.
	But, I mean, President Truman was absolutely central to the founding of the State of Israel, and the United States at various times has been uh... has been essential to its success and uh... you know that that that is bomb that i wouldn't have thought there would be uh... a significant number of americans at the percentage population who who who would be cavalier about cutting that part uh... it's uh... but i i i i agree you get different stranger you get
	Authentic, if naive, isolationists.
	I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Roosevelt buried that, made the point that if the US isn't somewhat engaged, not absolutely engaged in the minutiae, but somewhat engaged in Western Europe and the Far East, The future of democracy is going to be on the line every generation.
	Because without America being a positive influence in Western Europe and the Far East, you can never be sure that dictatorial elements won't gain control of the entire Eurasian landmass.
	And that's basically Roosevelt's message, and it has been followed by all of his successors
	of both parties, and with greater or lesser talent, but all of them generally committed
	to that view.
	But if we're now getting a sort of fortress America, where, you know, the oceans are wide,
	the hell with it, we're not interested, that is dangerous.
	It was dangerous between the world wars, and it would be dangerous if it comes back.
	We see even now the dangers of an administration that is judged to be ambiguous, and one that
	you can take liberties with.
	Can you imagine anyone, you're shooting up American bases and things the way the Iranians are doing now with 80 attacks or something?
	I mean, can you imagine Mr. Nixon or Reagan or John F. Kennedy or Eisenhower putting up with that?
	Or just the fact that yesterday we played the clip.
	You have this NSC dummy, Admiral Kirby, asked about the U.S.
	hostages and he says, we believe we could get them back.
	I mean, just any administration of any political color Not saying we will get them back, but we believe we may get them back.
	He's the author, most recently, of Don J. Trump, A President Like No Other.
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	Do you think Bibi is going to do what has to be done, Conrad?
	I do.
	I do.
	Do you think Bibi is going to do what has to be done, Conrad?
	I do.
	I do.
	I thought he gave a good speech yesterday that there will be no ceasefire.
	I mean, they can't have a ceasefire.
	Was anyone telling Roosevelt to have a ceasefire the day after Pearl Harbor?
	Well, and the idea that the UN is calling for it, that Guterres is calling for it, it's
	just an abomination.
	A former prime minister of another country.
	I mean, I don't know what the hell we're counting on.
	I mean, I don't know what the hell we're...
	I mean, of course, one doesn't expect much from the UN, but they...
	I mean, of course, one doesn't expect much from the UN, but they, you know, we've just
	You know, we've just got to pull ourselves together and make a clear distinction between
	got to pull ourselves together and make a clear distinction between nonsense, just absolute
	nonsense, just absolute rubbish, and sensible strategic policy.
	And I think, as far as I can see, Israel, whatever they may think of Netanyahu and whatever
	their visions on domestic matters, are absolutely united.
	They feel that their existence is at stake, that they're dealing with people who want
	to liquidate them, exterminate them, and they're going to exterminate the exterminators instead.
	and and they're going to accept make the exterminators instead and i think that's
	And I think that's the correct attitude, and Israel has the ability to do that.
	what the correct attitude in israel has the ability to do that
	It's 20, 50 times the military strength and capability of the terrorists around them.
	the twenty fifty times the the military strength and capability of the uh... of the
	terrorists around them uh... you know the arab power so they'd
	her verbose technical they're not going to finger to have a massive
	they consider a message you said a few minutes ago to be a bit almost as much of a nuisance uh... and his mike
	wallace put it to uh... the show i have not yet amended the good government's
	don't like these terrorists they do
	appalling things as they did three weeks ago and they I told him you sent his regards and he's texted me back already.
	That's wonderful.
	Lord Black is terrific.
	basically has a mandate from almost everybody to do what it needs to do.
	So Tom Rose is clearly still awake in Jerusalem right now.
	I told him you sent his regards and he's texting me back already.
	That's wonderful.
	Lord Black is terrific.
	I always need a thesaurus each time I listen to him.
	Good man.
	All right, that was perfect.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Okay, thanks, Sebastian.
	Oh, and where was the article about the nine who went cuckoo?
	Is that in The Sun?
	No, it was on RealClearPolitics, but I think I can dig it up, and I'll send it to you.
	Yeah, would you just email it to me?
	That would be wonderful.
	Yeah, it may take me tonight to do it.
	Yeah, yeah, not at all.
	Not a problem.
	Okay, good.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Bye-bye.
	Title for that one.
	Title for that one.
	Isolationism and the anti-Trump stuff.
	Yeah.
	What did he call Kinziger?
	Did he call him a clown?
	A fraud, I think.
	A phony or fraud, one of those two.
	Enough with the...
	Ideological isolationism.
	Look at my lava lamp.
	It's very cool.
	It's got like multiple globes.
	As it should be.
	Yeah, but it's so rare.
	It's like an alien.
	Like a big kind of tentacled alien.
	Oh yeah.
	Look at that.
	That's fun.
	C-segment, then gains, and then E. You've got to explain South Park in this segment, alright?
	Yeah, alright, alright.
	Oh boy.
	Who's the character?
	Eric what?
	Eric Cartman.
	Yes, good.
	Yes, good. And then we do it...
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	Okay, should we have, Eric, should we have some fun or should we keep doing very serious geopolitical stuff and political persecution of former presidents?
	Should we have some fun?
	I think you can never have, you know, you gotta have a little bit of fun every now and then.
	A little bit of fun?
	What do you think, Guy, should we have some fun?
	Yes, I agree.
	Okay, let's do a little bit of fun.
	Let's do a little bit of fun.
	Who is Eric Cardman?
	Cardman is one of the four main characters on the hit animated adult animated series South Park.
	Okay, I just know there's a guy with a hoodie.
	Who's the guy with the hoodie?
	The orange hoodie.
	That's Kenny.
	That's Kenny.
	So South Park made some news yesterday because of a scene about Eric is replaced by what?
	Eric.
	A diverse female.
	A large, diverse female who doesn't look a lot like Eric.
	And they get a little political, which is not unusual for South Park.
	Let's have some fun.
	Cut 11!
	We're just minding our own business and she keeps saying she's Eric Cartman.
	Okay, and what's wrong with that?
	What's wrong is it doesn't make any sense.
	Okay, I see.
	There's a diverse female where Cartman used to be and you don't like that.
	It's not that we don't like it, it's... Don't you think that's weird?
	I don't see a problem with it at all.
	And if you boys don't think Eric can be a black woman, then maybe the problem is you.
	What?!
	You think it's perfectly normal that Cartman is suddenly a black woman?
	You probably don't like that Indiana Jones got replaced by a female either, huh?
	What do you mean Eric can't be a black woman?
	Eric, could you be a black woman?
	I don't think I can be and I wouldn't want to try.
	Is that a big deal that South Park takes a direct hit at Disney and Lucasfilm and is that a big deal?
	I think so absolutely in particular because you know this is an hour-long special called Entering the Pandiverse and it in particular takes direct aim at a woman named Kathleen Kennedy who's the head of Lucasfilm.
	The woman who destroyed my childhood!
	And of course you and I are both huge fans of the Critical Drinker on YouTube.
	He and his buddies on their open bar livestreams have been saying for years Kathleen Kennedy is probably the main culprit for why Star Wars has gone completely down the drain.
	I can never forget that virtue-signaling garbage photograph of her with her staff and the t-shirt that said, the force is female, you morons.
	Alex, I never watched South Park.
	Do you watch South Park?
	Do you like South Park?
	No, I've never watched it.
	You're too intellectual for that, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	All right, let's have some fun.
	Eric found this on The Five yesterday.
	It got a little bit spicy with, you know, the in-house liberal moron Tarlov and Jesse Warders about, yeah, we've got the evidence about Biden and now you want more?
	Play this.
	It's a little long, but it's enjoyable.
	Go for it.
	Jessica and her ilk for years have said, well, you don't have money going directly into Joe
	Biden's bank account.
	All right.
	So now we have a check for two hundred thousand dollars from one company through the brother
	to Joe's bank account.
	OK, you still say, OK, well, that's not from overseas.
	That was a loan.
	OK, OK, OK.
	What happens if the next check originates somewhere really bad, Jessica?
	And I mean really bad.
	And it goes through Hunter or it goes through James and it goes directly into Joe Biden's
	checking account.
	Is that your smoking gun?
	And I'm out.
	Is that your smoking gun, Jessica?
	Because you said that was a smoking gun if money went from overseas directly into Joe Biden's bank account.
	If a check comes out at some point, From that avenue, is that a smoking gun?
	Okay.
	Um, so, two things.
	Yes or no?
	No.
	Yes or no?
	No, it's not.
	It's not?
	Wait, whoa, whoa.
	Jessica, for a year you said, oh, well, the money never hit his bank account.
	What if I have a check that hits his bank account that comes from overseas?
	Okay, so- Is that not a smoking gun?
	Okay, is he in elected office, and did he do something about it?
	So that check, that 2018 check, when he was not doing anything except hanging around, and there was an explanation for it.
	So if you get a check, and then you can connect that to an action that he took.
	Oh no, now it's an action that he took.
	Now it's just an action that he took.
	Because before you said, none of the money from overseas went into his checking account.
	So now it's an action.
	You are yelling and there is no reason for it.
	There's reason!
	I was promised a smoking gun and if I deliver a smoking gun, you have to admit that gun is smoking.
	Excuse me, can I just say something to all the guns out there?
	Don't smoke.
	I wonder if he just made that up at the moment.
	That was quite good, Greg.
	Well done.
	Super fun.
	One of the few good things left on Fox, but you should be watching Newsmax.
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	Cheers music again, yep.
	Yes.
	We only used it in the last hour, right?
	Yes.
	Alright.
	I gotta find it on YouTube, I got 20 seconds here.
	And I'm gonna do Patriot Mobile at the top.
	Yep.
	There's an ad on YouTube.
	I trust it.
	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
	That's pretty good.
	I asked him to get the cheers music like seven minutes, seven seconds.
	Seven minutes would be lovely.
	Seven seconds before we started the segment and he got it.
	Well done, Alex.
	Why are we playing the cheers music?
	Because...
	Cliff Clavin's going to be my guest in studio.
	Yes!
	John Ratzenberger, the legend, the guy who was in Empire Strikes Back, Toy Story, you name it.
	Thank you, Sam Sorbo, for connecting us.
	He's in the swamp and we're going to have a chat.
	But first, I got a mystery package in the mail yesterday and I need to open it on air because I think the person who sent it to me is watching us right now on Rumble and I didn't find a note.
	in the package when it arrived yesterday and then I was thinking who sent it to me is it a nice nice listener and it is in fact Oh my gosh, there is a note!
	From my buddy, Alain.
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	So you are a civilized man.
	You are a scholar and a gentleman, Alain.
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	All right, I love it when this warrior princess comes on the show.
	She's a true champion in several ways.
	12-time All-American swimmer, the one, the only, Riley Gaines.
	It's good to see you, Sam.
	You have your brand new center at the superb Morton Blackwell Leadership Institute, the Riley Gaines Center, where you have a motto, when they want you silent, speak louder.
	I want to talk first about, I wish I had time to find it, you had a tweet responding to somebody like three or four days ago about these transgender lunatics who, you know, are men who put on dresses, and somebody asked you, are you afraid, and tell me if I get it wrong, but you said something like, I'm not afraid of men wearing dresses.
	It's just so good, Riley.
	No, of course I'm not.
	You know, this word phobia, I think it's so funny because of course phobia means an irrational fear.
	And so to accuse me of being transphobic would mean I have an irrational fear of trans individuals.
	And that is just the silliest notion ever.
	No, not transphobic because I'm not scared.
	of these individuals. I guess you could say I'm scared that our opportunities as women
	are being taken away. That scares me. It scares me, you know, in physical contact sports that
	we're allowing men who have these advantages and more power and more strength. That scares me.
	But I'm not scared of trans individuals. That's just silly.
	Well, you are an example to so many.
	We're so excited the Leadership Institute has given you a new home.
	It is teamriley.org.
	In the last three weeks after the attack on Israel, we've seen something freaky, and I want you, because you're traveling the whole time, to tell me what you're seeing on the ground.
	We have these trans Cheats, these weirdos, these LGBTQ whatever radicals who say they're oppressed and now they're on the streets of New York.
	They're on the on the campuses of US universities that sympathizing with Hamas.
	How is this possible Riley?
	Help me understand that.
	Well, it's almost ironic because you know, I see all the time traveling campus to campus.
	I see these posters.
	That say queers for Palestine.
	I just want you to imagine the outcome if it were queers in Palestine.
	Yeah.
	Because it would not look the same as I think these people think it would look.
	They would be immediately imprisoned or quite possibly killed for their belief system and what they're practicing.
	And honestly, it's disheartening for me to see college age kids, people my age, spending our time Doing what we do.
	Complaining about the things we complain about.
	Because we see what's happening in the Middle East.
	And we see people with real problems.
	We see civilizations in other countries who have real problems.
	And here in the U.S., we are wasting our time.
	We are wasting our money.
	We are wasting our resources.
	The energy expenditure of our government.
	Talking about pronouns.
	Talking about if men should be in women's sports.
	And I think that should be a checkpoint for a lot of us to see You know, what's going on in the Middle East, and to compare and contrast that to what we spend our time talking about here in the U.S., it's telling.
	You are constantly on the go.
	You said in the break that you've got some good news.
	Tell us about some of the pushback, some of the initiatives, some of the good things you're seeing as you travel the country, Riley.
	Well, I certainly believe people are waking up, you know, whether that be female athletes.
	We just saw an amazing story out of Georgia, actually.
	It was a jujitsu match where they allowed men to compete unbeknownst to women, which in jujitsu, I mean, you're fighting, you're like straddling each other with your head in between another opponent's legs.
	These girls had no idea they were competing against a male until they were face to face on that mat.
	But several of these girls boycotted this event and within 21 hours, NAGA, which is the National Grappling Association, changed their policies to prevent men from going in jujitsu and martial arts with women.
	It shows you how effective boycotts are.
	It shows you how effective public opinion is and really public outrage.
	That is what we need more of.
	But I think we're going to only continue to see more of that because I think people are beginning to understand The power of it.
	So I think the tide is turning.
	People are waking up parents, especially moms, right?
	I think if there's one thing you don't get in between, it's a mom and her child.
	I think there's nothing scarier than a mad mama bear.
	But I believe there's a lot of those around this country right now.
	So lots of good stuff being done.
	There was a letter sent to the NCAA headquarters, Charlie Baker, signed by nine governors yesterday, encouraging them to preserve women's sports and prioritize fairness over inclusion.
	So just lots of really great things going on.
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	What did she say?
	She said something there... I'm not afraid of trans, like... Uh... What else?
	It was... The good news about the wrestling thing, I think.
	Uh, yeah... A victory against the trannies or something such.
	No, I'm not afraid of a man wearing a skirt, pretending to be a woman.
	I'm not afraid of a man wearing a skirt, pretending to be a woman.
	I don't think we have.
	Um... With Black, we didn't.
	That was a voluntary read.
	That's voluntary.
	Oh, okay.
	We got, like, all these callers.
	Oh, that's true, yeah.
	And this is an e-segment.
	Can you read to me what they say?
	Just the 1, 2, 3, 4.
	1.
	What could it take for Israel to live peacefully at this point?
	Two, from what I've seen over the last hundred years, all these Muslim countries have been kept in line by westernized leaders.
	What changed?
	Three, the word Hamas is taken from the original Yiddish for annihilation.
	That's line four, and then line five.
	Senate is making it difficult for the House to pass aid to Israel because they demand to be tied to Ukraine aid.
	Right, okay, good.
	Alrighty.
	Thanks for watching.
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	Michael, line one, Ohio.
	Michael!
	Hey there, Dr. Orka.
	I was just calling to get your opinion.
	What would it take for Israel to finally achieve peace in the Middle East, where it is with its neighbors?
	And then also, do you think the Abraham Accords are still a viable way forward?
	They're not viable as long as you have a man who hates America in the White House.
	We need President Trump back.
	That's up to us, God willing.
	Great question.
	Number one, there will be no peace for Israel unless the culture of the Arabs changes.
	They want to destroy Israel.
	More than 70% of those living in Gaza want to destroy Israel.
	Unless that changes, Israel will never live in peace.
	Great question.
	Stay on the line, Michael.
	Let's give Michael a copy of Defeating Jihad, or if he has that, he can choose something else.
	Randy, Knoxville, line two.
	Hey, good afternoon, Dr. Gorka.
	I know you're not in the Halloween.
	I'm just waiting on this hayfield next to my house here in Tennessee.
	I'm waiting to see Nancy Pelosi and the squad go over this waning full moon tonight.
	With her flying monkeys, right, Randy?
	That's it.
	That's the next scariest thing.
	There ain't as scary as Nancy Pelosi and the squad.
	I don't know about you, Randy, but when I saw those flying monkeys as a kid, I was pretty scared.
	It freaked me out, and my wife and I were talking about it like I was scared, and that thing in that crystal ball with the witch head, man.
	Yeah, don't, you're ruining my day.
	Thank you, Randy, those flying witches.
	And Nancy Pelosi, I don't know which is more frightening.
	Robert Brooklyn.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	You know, I just want to point out, number one, they voted against Israel.
	Only 14 countries voted in support of Israel's right to defend itself, including Czech, who the defense minister says she wants to not take her out of the UN because it's just a horrific place.
	But Ukraine, they did not vote either way.
	They abstained.
	And that leads to the second point, is that, you know, the Speaker of the House, he wants Ukraine and Israel to be separately funded.
	And the Senate, McConnell, who's the Senate Minority Leader, he's insisting, he's pressing that it should be together.
	I know.
	I think it's time that we try to get a new Senate Minority Leader.
	We've got a new Speaker.
	We need a magical person who's going to be... I would love that.
	I would love that.
	Man, you are up on your news.
	Yes, there is a big difference between Mike Johnson, the new Speaker, and Mitch McConnell, who wants to do the old business, the swamp business, and the Czech Republic wants to Get rid of the UN.
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	Next up, Cliff Claven from Cheers in Studio.
	♪♪♪ ♪♪♪
	♪♪♪ Please. Oh.
	Oh, there he is.
	There's my guy.
	Good job.
	How's your new show going?
	Good?
	Very well, thank you.
	I heard.
	Good.
	Thank you.
	Yes, indeed.
	So nice of the president to ask.
	Yes, indeed.
	He keeps aware of our show here.
	And we like to get nostalgic about really history-making shows.
	Whenever you heard that theme tune, even when I was in the UK, it just made you smile for 11 years every week.
	And man, am I excited.
	I'm getting a little giddy, a little fanboy-ish, because one of the stars of one of the longest-running, most successful shows in American history, It's here in studio.
	John de Gerardsenberger, welcome to America First!
	So I didn't know until you mentioned it the day before yesterday.
	You asked me about my Hungarian connection, my parents, and then I look up something called Wikipedia, and your middle name is Hungarian, John!
	Yeah, it was my father's name.
	Déjà vu.
	And you said after 1956, which is when my parents escaped, that you knew a lot of refugees or you were involved with them?
	No, he's not, but our family took in refugees.
	Took in, right.
	You remember Tibor and Charlie, two fellows that came, not speaking any English.
	And then as the years went by, they learned how to be a baker and this and that.
	And now they own a chain of bake shops across the country.
	Good Hungarian pastries.
	Yeah, apricot, apricot.
	Oh, all right.
	Stop it.
	I'm going to get hungry.
	All right.
	Well, we're so excited to have you in studio.
	Thank you to the Sorbo's, to Sam and Kevin Sorbo, who connected us, told us that we have this Target opportunity in the swamp.
	I've got a long list of questions I want to talk about.
	I counted how many films this man has been in.
	And it's mind-blowing, and that's without mentioning the television, all the other activities he does today.
	So first things first, Mr. Atzenberger, what brings you to The Swamp?
	Well, I got booked to do a speech last night to a building trades sort of convention, a meeting, because I've been talking about that now.
	I was a carpenter before I became an actor.
	You and Harrison Ford?
	Allegedly.
	No, I was a 2x4 carpenter.
	I was a house framer.
	Harrison apparently did fine carpentry.
	Furniture.
	He made furniture.
	Yeah, the real fancy stuff.
	Where you really have to know what you're doing.
	So yeah, I did that for a few years, but on my show, Made in America, where I traveled around the country seeing how things are made and celebrating the people making them, I realized there were no young people.
	And so I just got a little bit more into it.
	This is like 20 years ago.
	Right.
	And realized at the end of the line that they had canceled shop classes, what we called shop classes, like 30 years ago.
	So basically they're taking any chance of these kids, giving them a skill that they can then go sell after school.
	And then the expectation that everybody should go to college and end up with a degree that's practically useless and they're making coffees at Starbucks.
	This is fascinating for me.
	Let's talk about first your journey.
	If you're starting off as a carpenter, how did you get into being an actor?
	Well, let's see, I was doing carpentry and I was up in northern Vermont and building houses and whatnot.
	And I got a postcard from a buddy of mine, Ray Hassett.
	And we were in college together.
	We studied English and this and that.
	But he was living in London.
	He said, come visit, Baba.
	And I thought, yeah, OK.
	So I went to visit for a couple of weeks.
	I ended up staying 10 years.
	I saw that on your resume.
	Where did you live in England?
	Well, first place was Kennington, and then I went to Lewisham, and then Ladbroke Grove, Battersea, and finally ended up at Primrose Hill in a squat.
	And then Queensway, just off of Queensway.
	So 10 years I was there.
	And is that where the acting started?
	That's correct.
	Ray and I started our own comedy duo that we toured through Europe.
	We called ourselves Sal's Meat Market.
	And we did really well.
	We were celebrated on the comedy fringe.
	So that's what we did.
	And from there, a couple of films, we wrote for the BBC and Gordana Television.
	Really?
	Comedy shows?
	Comedy, yeah.
	Wow.
	As somebody who was born and bred in the UK, how did you find your 10 years in England?
	What kind of an experience?
	Did you like it?
	I actually miss it.
	You miss it?
	I miss it.
	But not the food?
	Huh?
	Not the food?
	No, I didn't mind the food.
	I mean, there's enough chip shops to keep... Fish and chips!
	Yeah.
	Fish and chips, right.
	Savaloys.
	Oh my gosh.
	Sausage and batter.
	Did you get a tasting for Indian food while you were over there?
	That's the first question I asked when I got here.
	I said, where's the nearest Indian restaurant?
	It's not easy in America.
	No.
	I can tell you where to find one near here.
	A good one.
	A good one.
	Here in D.C.?
	About 15 minutes away from the studio.
	We might have to take you out for dinner.
	Well, let's talk about that.
	Now, the interesting thing, though, coming across, like I mentioned before we went on the air, I drove here.
	Right.
	From California.
	You're a crazy man.
	There's a lot of Indian restaurants and truck stops.
	But are they good ones?
	Not really, but... Because they're never spicy enough in America.
	They kind of dumb it down.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, absolutely.
	But because there's a lot of truck drivers from India.
	Because there's so many vacancies for truck drivers and it's being filled by people from India.
	Ergo, you've got all these Indian restaurants.
	So let's go to your new mission.
	I think this is one of the most important things that anyone can do.
	A nation has to have millions of people who can make stuff with their hands, who can build, who can weld, who can, you know, so we're not beholden to others.
	Look at everything around us.
	Tell us about what you're seeing.
	Is there a way out of this?
	How do we turn it around?
	Let's talk about the big stuff first.
	Yeah, it's been going on for a lot of years.
	Like I said, about 30 years ago, they canceled all the shop classes.
	And that taught us kids this snaggly-toothed knuckleheads.
	You know, at least we had a chance at something else.
	You know, here's how to saw wood.
	Here's how to weld metal.
	And a lot of kids got fascinated.
	Not a lot.
	Say about five kids that I know I grew up with just went that route.
	They're all millionaires.
	Of course, yeah.
	They just can't work enough.
	There's so much work out there.
	So carpentry, that's what I advise young people.
	They say, I want to be an actor.
	I say, first Get a skill.
	Get a skill that you own.
	That's yours.
	And that way you can go anywhere in the world and get a job within five minutes.
	And you're not hostage to auditions, producers, the caprice of style.
	But even if you're working in an office building, it's the same thing.
	They fire you or the company goes under.
	Alright, I'll get another job.
	What do you think caused this lack of respect for the trades?
	Where did it begin?
	You know, just lately I've been coming to think it might have been done on purpose.
	You know, looking far ahead, you say, let's see, how can we bring America to its knees?
	Make us reliant upon others.
	Rely on others and not have enough people to fix things.
	Like airplane engines.
	There's not enough mechanics for airplanes now.
	Welders.
	I mean, even the railroads.
	I suspect that a lot of those crashes have to do with the fact that there's not enough people to inspect the tracks now or to repair the tracks.
	A lot of holes in roads.
	It's because the water systems are springing leaks.
	Water systems are 100 years old in most cities.
	Older cities in America.
	And so if you really want to bring a country to its knees, make them stupid.
	Take away their skills and make marijuana legal.
	So we have a lot of lazy, stupid people with no skills.
	And I thought, well, call me crazy, but that might have been done on purpose.
	It's much easier to control a nation of lazy, stupid people.
	Oh yeah, well I mean like the big countries used to do in their colonies, like the opium dens in China, all that.
	Just keep them lazy, keep them stupid, and keep them out of the way.
	And it seems like they're doing the same thing to us.
	I mean, when my father went to public school, public school, just everybody goes.
	He quoted Shakespeare, Rudyard Kipling, and he knew the capitals of every state and every country.
	And he had just a public education.
	Now, what happened?
	Why?
	We have to talk about how we're going to turn it around.
	This man, I think, has a plan if he's being asked to give speeches about it in the nation's capital.
	We are honored to have him in studio.
	The website is ratsandburger.com.
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	What do you say I drive you home?
	Come on.
	Oh, Norm, that's great of you.
	You're a real friend, you know that?
	You're just a pal when you need one.
	If I ever have kids, I'm gonna name them after you, Nav.
	Even if they're girls.
	Please, I'm just gonna give you a ride home.
	Yeah, but I'm gonna throw up in your car.
	I grew up on Laurel and Hardy.
	My dad loved showing me the reruns.
	I think that's the new Laurel and Hardy there.
	The part of that that we have here in the studio is, of course, Letter Carrier, Cliff Claiborne.
	We've been talking about big, serious stuff.
	We'll get back to that in a moment.
	But if we could just indulge having some fun.
	11 years.
	Yeah.
	Did you have any idea at the beginning how much joy you would be giving to millions?
	And for how long?
	No, not at all.
	The very first year I wasn't a regular.
	There was no such character as Cliff.
	So I walked in and sort of invented the character during the audition.
	I didn't think about that before I went in, but while I was there I said, that was a horrible auditioner.
	I don't understand it.
	Why?
	Did you get nervous or what?
	No, I just never had any formal training, first of all, because I don't know how to audition.
	Look, am I the right height, the right weight?
	You know, do I stutter?
	Look, if I'm right, just give me the job.
	So, I was walking out with my tail between my legs and I just turned around and I said, do you have a bar note at all?
	And I think it was Glenn Charles said, what are you talking about?
	Grabbed a pen off his desk.
	I think it was a big pen.
	And I started explaining the history of the big company.
	You know, of two brothers.
	It was actually a true story.
	Hungarian.
	So you actually like created the character in the audition?
	Yeah.
	Of the know-it-all?
	how about Bic and there I go you know there's Bic yeah so I just really wanted
	Yeah.
	them to laugh enough that I could so you actually like created the character in
	the audition yeah of the know-it-all yeah Wow because I said you have a barn or all this is well what do
	you mean I said, you know, every bar you go to where I live, there's some horses behind that pretends to know everything.
	And so that's the character I went with, yeah.
	And what was it like behind the scenes with Norm, with George Wendt?
	What was your relationship?
	I'm just curious, because you were like inseparable buddies.
	Oh, just fine.
	As a matter of fact, I just talked to him the other day.
	It was his birthday.
	But no, it was Tweedledee, Tweedledum.
	It was very, very seamless.
	But again, we were sitting in a bar cracking jokes.
	That was our job.
	Think of that.
	You'll get in a paper under wan ads.
	Guy that's said bar crack jokes for 11 years pays well.
	It's like before I started this job I'd just been hired and I sat down in a cigar bar with
	Dennis Prager who's a great mentor to me and he knew I'd been hired and he said, Sebastian,
	do you know what we do for a living as radio hosts?
	And I said, no, I haven't even started!
	What do we do, Dennis?
	And he said, We get to tell people what we think, and we get paid for it.
	So it's pretty similar, right?
	Pretty similar.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	Why do you think it worked?
	Because it's not complicated.
	It's a bar.
	Right.
	It's, you know, a barman.
	He's got his love life.
	He's got his trouble with Shelly, his trouble with Kirstie.
	Why was it?
	It seemed to just touch a nerve, like mash.
	I think it just resonated.
	What do you think was the special?
	Well, interestingly enough, Most people in Hollywood at the beginning counseled me and said, look, the American public are never going to go for a show set in a bar.
	Oh, OK.
	It's a job.
	Because I was still living in London at the time.
	Oh, really?
	I was there in Los Angeles to write a late night comedy for CBS.
	And it was based on the life of the Emperor Nero, which is pretty funny, because he was a nutcase anyway.
	He's just gone.
	He's way out there.
	But anyway, so after that was over, I was packing to go back to London, and this guy I know who knows a guy who knows a guy said, hey, you're a New Englander, right?
	Yeah.
	Anyway, they got me in there, and boom, there you go.
	Fascinating.
	I want to know, what happened to the Nero sitcom idea?
	Nothing.
	Is that somewhere?
	Can we maybe make that happen?
	It's still on the shelf.
	Yeah, it's got some dust on it.
	What do you think would be most surprising?
	We've got three and a half million listeners across the nation.
	Behind the scenes though, was it hard?
	Was it work?
	What was it like, the relations between the people there?
	What was a working day like?
	Describe what a working day was like on Tuesday.
	Alright, so you're supposed to be there at 10 o'clock.
	By the time everybody wanders in, it's...
	20 to 11, okay?
	This is after we've been on the air for a few years.
	And then the newspapers come out and read the newspapers and start rehearsing.
	I remember George and I would be sitting there reading the paper and the script gal would say, John?
	Oh, it's your turn.
	So what do I say?
	I have a...
	Okay.
	And I think that was one of the good things about it.
	You got the script on the day?
	No, no.
	We already had it a week.
	Okay, okay.
	Well, that was one of the beauties of it, because you don't want to, and as a director, I go by this too, especially for a TV comedy, you don't want to beat it to death.
	If you're doing the same joke and putting the same energy into the joke day after day after day, by the time you get to filming it on a Friday, something's lost.
	So just, you know, bah bah bah bah.
	You want to be fresh?
	Yeah, just don't take it all that seriously until the cameras are there.
	And how many takes on Cheers?
	Once you were in for a while, was it pretty smooth?
	Oh yeah.
	Oh absolutely, yeah.
	It was like the Blue Angels.
	It was wonderful.
	And what was in your glass?
	Was it like Martinelli's apple cider?
	What was in it?
	Yeah, it was that kind of stuff.
	It was?
	Fizzy fruit juice?
	Yeah, apple cider or a thing called the Nier beer.
	Nier beer?
	So like non-alcoholic beer?
	Yeah.
	Every now and then George and I would ask the prop guy to Mix it up?
	No, I'll put a Heineken in there.
	Especially if we're going really late at night.
	So how long would the day be?
	You started about quarter to 11?
	What time did you finish?
	Yeah, and then break for lunch.
	Oh, on shoot days.
	Yeah, that's different.
	Yeah, then the camera's rolling.
	The day before the shoot day, we'd have camera blocking.
	Right.
	So the movements of the actors, cameras.
	Camera A over here.
	Desi Arnaz invented that system.
	Yeah?
	By the way, yeah.
	Before that, before Desi Arnaz, it was just a tripod with a camera.
	So it's static.
	Yeah, it just swivels.
	The camera could swivel.
	Yeah, we just go 45 angles, 45, you know, straight on.
	But he said, well, let's put those on dollies.
	Wow.
	You know, they can go like this.
	It was beautiful.
	Was that for I Love Lucy, or what did they start that on?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wow, the stuff you learn.
	We're not just having fun with one of the greats.
	We're learning stuff as well.
	We have in studio none other than John Ratzenberger.
	The website is ratzenberger.com.
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	Alright, I'm not going to get bogged down on one topic, although cheers is legendary.
	I've been looking at this man's resume, and... I know it's Wikipedia, and, you know, usually there's issues with that, but I've double-checked this.
	He's done more than 70 movies.
	More than seven zero movies and multiples of that when it comes to television.
	Can I just tell you what John Ratzenberger has been in?
	A Bridge Too Far.
	I mean, amazing.
	Superman.
	Superman 2.
	One of my favorites.
	Sean Connery's Outland.
	Then The Incredibles, a voice actor, I think probably doing more voice work than anybody else.
	Toy Story, Cars, on and on and on.
	And of course, my favorite, probably one of the greatest movies ever made.
	Yes, I'm a sci-fi geek.
	Do you recognize this man from a very cold location?
	It's called the Ice Planet Hoth.
	Let's go to the larger.
	Yes, indeed, it is.
	Rebel, soldier, commander.
	John Ratzenberger.
	Can I just geek out for a second?
	How much fun was that?
	Major Durling is the character's name.
	Major Durling.
	The guy who says they gotta close down the doors, Luke's trapped outside somewhere, Princess Leia's worried, Han's gonna go out and rescue him.
	How much fun was it making that in the UK?
	Well, the nice thing, I'm always fascinated with how things are built and, you know, the physicality of it, but the sets were just amazing.
	You walked in there, you were on another planet.
	Right, because they had the Millennium Falcon, full size.
	Yeah, like that model on your wall.
	Right, but slightly bigger.
	Yeah, but you're there, you know, how do they do this?
	Was that a cool gig?
	Yeah, it was.
	It always.
	Whatever gig you're doing, especially as an actor, or a director, or even a set carpenter, if you're working in that business... You're having fun.
	It really is fun, yeah.
	I think it's hugely underrated.
	I love Outland.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	My head exploded in that.
	Right at the beginning.
	So give us the highlights.
	Give us some of the things that, for you in this storied career, what are one of the most fun things to work on?
	What's the voice work like?
	Isn't that hard to be like in a recording box?
	No.
	And to get into the mood?
	That's you doing what you're doing.
	Yeah, but I'm not pretending to be a car.
	I'm not pretending to be a pig.
	But you don't call yourself an actor, right?
	No.
	Well, there you go.
	Lord forbid.
	A lot of young people say, What do I need to do to become a voice actor?
	I always say there's no such thing as a voice actor.
	You're either an actor or you're not.
	Because old school thinking, if you're an actor, you should know how to sing, dance, TV, radio, voiceover, because you're acting.
	You're acting as the character in your head, and you have to have that action come out your voice.
	That's just part of the deal.
	That's being an actor.
	That's all it is.
	Let me drill you on this one.
	What project are you most proud of when it comes to your acting career?
	You think to yourself, wow, I was part of that.
	You know, I have to go back to way before any kind of notoriety.
	It was Sal's Meat Market.
	Oh really?
	Back in the UK, the comedy duo?
	Ray and I did things that, you can't even explain it, but we did things that haven't been done before or since.
	And just the two of us, for an hour and a half on stage, just before we got on stage, we didn't know what we were going to do.
	But we held big audiences for an hour and a half.
	And laughing so hard, one lady fell off, they had to call an ambulance for her.
	That must have been good.
	That must have been funny.
	There were some characters we came up with and situations and sketches that, yeah, I'm enormously proud of those.
	Because we were touring Europe with it.
	We were doing shows in Holland.
	The audiences didn't speak English.
	Wow.
	And we just got a lot of praise and it was exhausting.
	Right.
	Worked really hard at it, but that's, I think, what I'm most proud of.
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	Let's get back to the reason why you're here in D.C.
	Where is America at?
	Are you an optimist?
	Are you a pessimist?
	You're one of the few people, you know, courageous people in Hollywood who takes a political stance.
	You've endorsed Republican appointees.
	You've been supportive of my former boss, President Trump.
	Are you long or short on America?
	Right now, I guess short with what I experience with younger people that are the future.
	See, I worked for President Trump.
	In the White House, there was a committee that he appointed me to, which was to expand apprenticeships nationwide.
	And that's basically to offer to young people who don't want to go to college, give them a skill.
	Here, here's tools, and now you're a plumber, an electrician, a bricklayer.
	You'll work for life.
	Everywhere.
	You won't stop.
	It just won't stop.
	And so, I did that, and yeah, I've, for close to 30 years now, I've been going around the country giving speeches, certainly the last 20 years.
	Was it a hard decision for you to publicly have a political stance to make that decision?
	I'm going to come out, I'm going to endorse people, I'm going to take a White House commission.
	What was that like?
	No, the White House commission, that was because that had always been my agenda.
	Whether it was Republican or Democrat, it didn't make any difference to me.
	It's just, yeah, we want to get young people learning skills, the trades.
	Replace the shop classes we had in middle school and high school.
	And that would end it.
	I mean, that would take care of everything.
	It'd take a few years.
	But still, that would be the cure for it all.
	But doesn't it also depend upon the parents?
	The parents have to be kind of vested in this idea that you don't have to spend four years to get a useless piece of paper.
	Learn a skill!
	Learn a skill!
	Yeah, that's been the big obstacle, frankly.
	One lady, I was doing a radio show, she called and said her son's embarrassing her because he wants to be a stonemason like his father.
	I said, well, what's wrong with that?
	That's a beautiful skill.
	You bet.
	And she said, well, all the neighbor's kids are going to college, and he's the only one not going to college, but he's really smart.
	I said, yeah, you've got to be really smart to build a stone wall or, you know, to build a brick building.
	That was Winston Churchill's hobby, by the way.
	I know he's a painter.
	I didn't know he did masonry as well.
	Yeah, laying bricks.
	Yeah, he loved to lay bricks.
	But it used to happen naturally, because we came from an agrarian society, so farmers know how to do everything.
	Right.
	You fix this, you feed the horse, you take care of that.
	So there's a lot of skills in one person.
	Well, the more we got into acidified My endearing memory of my late father was Saturday morning tinkering on his car with him, cleaning the spark plugs, checking the points.
	That was Saturday morning with me and my dad.
	doors were open on the street. My endearing memory of my late father was
	Saturday morning tinkering on his car with him. Cleaning the spark plugs,
	checking the points. That was Saturday morning with me and my dad. You do that
	on your Mustang? On my 66 Mustang, oh yeah.
	On a new one, you can't do it.
	But you know how to do it.
	Yeah, totally.
	Because your dad did it.
	Right.
	Same thing.
	It was actually my grandfather was a carpenter.
	My father was a truck driver.
	Is that why, because of your granddad, is that why you took up carpentry?
	Not consciously.
	I just said, oh yeah, he's doing it.
	You know, funnily, I'm so prejudiced.
	I'm very suspect of men who do not have a workbench in their garage.
	Or a good tool set.
	If you don't have a toolbox that looks like you actually use the tools, it's my wife's bane.
	I've got this big old battered red toolbox and it's full of crap and I use it!
	Yeah, well, yeah, because you're a renaissance personality.
	Old school, old school.
	Old school, right, yeah.
	I mean, I'll go into somebody's house, somebody I've never met, and I'll just say, do you have a vice?
	Like, under your workbench.
	And they look at you funny, right?
	Yeah, what do you mean?
	Why would I have one?
	I call somebody.
	You mean like gambling?
	Like women?
	That kind of vice?
	Right, but yeah, as a matter of fact, my daughter was about to get married.
	I went to meet his parents at their house.
	First thing I did is I walked in the garage.
	Did you find a vise?
	He had a workbench and a vise.
	Good man.
	Yes, okay, this is a good family.
	What would you say right now to that 18-year-old kid, 17-year-old kid, who doesn't want to go to college but doesn't know where to go?
	What would you give them in terms of trade?
	What would you say to a young man?
	Join the Navy.
	Join the Navy?
	Yeah.
	Or the Army.
	Marines?
	Oh, absolutely.
	That's what I was going to be.
	But yeah, Marines.
	Learn a trade in the Marines?
	What's that?
	Learn to trade in the Marines.
	Well, you have to.
	They're going to teach you something.
	Yeah.
	You know, Marines have trucks.
	They have helicopters.
	Somebody's got to fix them, mend them.
	They've got a few vices as well.
	We're talking to John Ratzenberger, having way too much fun.
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	This has been amazing fun.
	I hope you come back to The Swamp sometime and we can continue our discussion.
	Oh, we've got that Indian restaurant.
	We've got to go to the Indian restaurant as well.
	That goes without saying.
	Last question.
	Let's talk about... Let's talk about Hollywood for a second.
	We've had some great guests on the show.
	Michael Pack, documentarian, last week.
	He is creating an apprenticeship for young documentary makers.
	My friend Andrew Claven, who was a famous script writer, talking about the need for conservatives to make good content.
	Is Hollywood salvageable, Mr. Ratzenberger?
	Or do we have to build another one?
	I think the other one is going to be built on its own.
	Take, for instance, the film that we did with Kevin Sorbo.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Let's put that up on the screen.
	What's it called?
	Miracle in East Texas.
	Miracle in East Texas, yeah.
	Yeah, so that's the second film I'd done with Kevin.
	Now, he and his wife Sam are living in Florida.
	And they got the studios there.
	This is the second film.
	And it's a real story.
	A real story that takes place two con men back in the Depression.
	Are you one of the bad guys?
	I am.
	Bilking wealthy widows out of money for non-existing oil wells.
	And we filmed it up in Saskatchewan.
	And it really is a good little film, but it's family friendly.
	Also.
	And a good story.
	A good story, family friendly, and let's see what happens.
	So, if more people come to films like ours, family friendly, Hollywood eventually is going to go, wait a second.
	They're making a lot of money, and we should be making more of those movies.
	Because they're losing money.
	The woke, left-wing garbage.
	What they did to Star Wars, what they did to Marvel.
	They spend half a billion dollars, and they don't even recoup.
	I could tell you stories, but they'll run me out of town for good.
	Well, we shall continue the next time.
	Maybe we can get him to tell us some of those stories.
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