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Live from New York, it's Get Off My Lawn with Kevin McGuinness.
Hi, folks.
So it's the day of the Yankees game.
We're here in the hotel room, binge-watching Tyler Henry's Hollywood Medium.
It's a show where he goes to celebrities' homes and makes them cry after Wikipediaing them and maybe Googling the fact that their grandmother died of a botched biopsy.
And then they go, woohoo, and they start crying.
I think he's a sociopath.
I think he's a sociopath that was probably happy when Alan Thick died because he had said to Alan Thick, I think you might have a heart problem.
He said to an old man, you may have a heart problem.
But I wanted to mention something.
I've already talked about this, but the other day we had that woman, those New Yorkers, those angry New Yorkers, bitching about them not having balls signed.
Now, I don't know why a 65-year-old wants a ball signed, but this is where we're at now.
We've seen two games, right?
We saw the Tigers and the Astros.
Haven't seen Yankees yet, so we've only really been here for two full days.
And we have eight balls.
Now, this is a ball from DeGrom that at practice session in the morning, he just tossed to my son, which is way better than getting a ball in a game.
So this is just his buddy DeGrom throwing him a ball.
That was awesome.
And then we also have a ball in the middle of the game, and this was on his own volition.
I never even would think to do this.
He asked me for a ball that we had bought.
He goes down to the outfield, like just over the fence, and he says, hey, Jabe Roos, we play catch?
And on two separate occasions, in between innings, him and Jay Bruce were just sort of throwing the ball back and forth.
My big buddy Jay Bruce, the giant who's seven feet tall and eats little babies for protein.
He's a monster.
So that's Jay Bruce.
Then he caught a foul ball during the game from the Tigers.
While he was in there in the pit, he found another game ball from the Astros.
Then in two separate occasions, a woman and a man who work at the concession stand, they get balls that bounce right into their area and they keep them.
And so they got a little bucket of balls.
In two separate occasions, no, sorry, one concession stand lady gave him a ball.
Another guy tried to give him a ball, but he said, I already got one from the concession stand, people, thank you.
Then some random dad who's a Mets fan, covered in Mets gear, comes up and he says, my son has too many of these.
Here's a game ball from First Data Field.
Is that it?
Oh, and then when we're leaving, you'll notice we talked to some pretty young girls from Long Island who had a 10 doll in their pocket.
As we were doing that interview, Zach Wheeler tosses my son a ball.
And he waited outside by the parking lot, and what's his name, Nimmo?
Brandon Nimmo signed one of his balls.
So that's two, four, six, seven, eight balls so far.
That lady wasn't getting her balls signed because she doesn't deserve to get her balls signed.
The only people who should get their balls signed are little boys.
Now, that didn't sound very good.
So that was the first inning down.
Jose Reyes dived for the ball.
He missed it.
And that got a lot of RBIs.
We got two RBIs, two guys on base.
But was it Zach Wheeler?
Who was pitching there?
Zach Wheeler kept pitching and he got them all out.
So we're still at 0-0.
But it's a tense game.
You can tell the difference.
Excuse me.
You can tell the difference between the Astros and the Tigers and a team of the caliber of the Yankees.
It's a different kind of game altogether.
I wouldn't be surprised if we lose 5-4 Yankees.
I hear Bye and predicting that.
let's check back in at the end of the second innings This is why there's netting at baseball parks.
because women are always on their phones.
I wonder if it's gonna stay.
Yeah.
Seven bucks a month.
We got four.
So that's bottom of the second.
That was an eventful winner.
We got two runs that inning, and it's because some dude, some black guy, what was his name?
Some Yankee guy dropped the ball.
What?
Domingo Jeremy.
Domingo Jeremy, that was the picture.
Yeah, but the guy who dropped the ball.
Florio.
Florio.
Some dude named Florio dropped the ball.
It was up real high.
Real high, but he got the sun in his eyes.
He dropped the ball.
That got two of our guys home.
So made my 5-4 prediction.
It could be what I thought it would be.
It was pretty uneventful inning, except for the very end.
So things are looking up.
Things are looking up now here at number two.
Hi, folks.
Welcome back to the World Series Quiz Show with Steve Engel.
We'll be quizzing him on various World Serieses.
Sounds good, man.
You could only say that, not me.
Okay.
Ready?
How far back do you think you could go?
Probably 1959.
1959.
Some in the 50s, like 54.
Who won the World Series in 59?
That was, I believe, the Dodgers over the White Sox.
67.
That was the Cardinals over the Red Sox.
Bob Gibson wins three games, and that's the MBP.
1994.
There was no World Series.
That's a trick question.
And that's because you're Expos.
Who should have been in the World Series?
Do you think they would have won that year?
Yes, I do.
I think they would have beat the Yankees that year in the World Series.
88.
That was the Dodgers.
Should have been my Mets, but it was the Dodgers who beat the Earl Hirschreiser 59 and two-thirds scoreless innings that year.
Shut down the Mets, beat them three times in the LCS, and then beat the A's twice in the World Series.
They beat them four games to none.
Yeah, they beat him every year.
79.
Pirates, we are a family against the Orioles.
Pirates were down 3-1.
They beat them 4-3.
84.
That was the 83 was the Orioles.
84 was the Tigers over the Padres.
Four games to one.
71.
Pirates over the Orioles.
Merv Brennan made the last out of the game.
Brown Bowler gave cash over to Bob Robertson.
They win the World Series.
4-3.
They were up two games to none, by the way.
You're amazing.
76.
That was the Reds over the Yankees.
First Yankees appearance in 12 years in the World Series from 64 to 76.
And the Reds sweeping four games to none.
National League Rookie of the Year, Pat Zachary, who then went to the Mets and the Tom Siever deal the following year, won two games in that World Series.
He was, let's say, 14-7 to 2.76 the RAID to win the National League Rookie of the Year that year and beat the Yankees twice in the World Series.
Okay, 2001.
That was the Arizona Diamonds beating the Yankees, these Yankees.
Luis Gonzalez got a base hit off of Mariano Rivera, a little blue into the outfield, and they beat him in the bottom of the nine from the seventh game in Arizona.
Okay, last question.
What did the Mets do to commemorate 9-11, the following game?
The soonest game after 9-11?
Was there any gesture there?
I think they dedicated it to the people who lost their lives and the survivors.
Am I wrong?
And they won the game against the Braves, I know that.
They beat the Braves, I remember that.
But I think they dedicated it to the Survivors and the people who lost their lives in 9-11.
I feel like a cop came out or something and threw the first pitch or something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't remember, to be honest.
Oh, good.
We stumped you.
We finally stumped Steve Angles.
He's officially stumped.
You got me.
Thanks, buddy.
You win.
Thanks, thank you.
You win the game.
Thank you.
So you may have noticed the last inning I said was the second.
It was a third.
And the fourth just finished.
Right, so we're still on track.
And you may have noticed I have a herpetic sore by lip.
Yes, it's very painful.
Yes, I lacked discretion in my earlier days, and I'm paying for that now in my late 40s.
We're doing great.
We got a home run.
Travis Darnell, right?
Hit a home run.
Now we're at 3-1.
It's looking like my predictions might not come true, which is a good thing, because I predict the bad news.
Stay tuned.
That was an unbelievably quick inning.
They caught a bunch of balls, and we got out.
And then they struck.
I mean, we got them out by catching a bunch of balls.
Then they threw a bunch of balls and they got us out.
The whole thing seemed like it was like eight minutes.
But the score prevails at 3-1.
And I gotta say, we weren't allowed to take a camera and a microphone in here.
We had a press pass tonight.
Probably they Googled me and that was the end of that.
But I feel like saying the guy, hey, I did bring a camera and a microphone in.
It's called my iPhone.
This audio, listen to how good this audio is.
It's perfect.
We beat the system.
The iPhone and this stupid earbud system is, what, 4% worse than a $3,000 camera with a $600 microphone?
It's amazing.
You can make your own show now, kids.
All right, that's the end of the sixth inning.
Crazy inning.
We got a very good umpire with a very good eye.
The Yankees are real mad about it.
Keeps calling everyone safe on first, no matter what happens.
That's my kind of umpire.
From all that mayhem that's going on, and these guys behind us are freaking out.
We got a guy home.
We got another run.
So it's 4-1.
Remember, I predicted Mets four, Yankees five?
We're not even close to that.
But that's the beauty of baseball.
You don't know what's going on until the end of the ninth inning.
Actually, until the end of the game.
I don't think they go far into overtime with these sort of little league things, these fake games.
I don't think they go beyond the 10th.
But seriously, we could be winning right up into the bottom of the ninth and still lose the game.
So stay tuned.
That was a brutal inning.
It's amazing how much this game is like Blackjack.
Where you can be doing okay and you're up 200 bucks and then you get hit beep beep beep beep beep five times in a row.
So it was 5-4 for the Yankees during that inning and then it went 6-4 and now it's 7-4.
They got a home run with the bases loaded and they went from 1-4 to 7-4 like that.
And now it's just about trying to make our money back.
was screwed.
So that's the game.
There's the Yankees catching us out.
11-4.
A little more severe of a pouncing than I thought it would be.
But just like with Blackjack, you wait around and then you get screwed.
And we got screwed.
First loss this whole trip.
All right, so that was 11-4.
They had back-to-back grand slams, one in the eighth inning, then bang right again in the ninth inning.
I ain't seen that in my whole life, and I've been following baseball for almost two years now.
I heard there was two grand slams in one inning once.
Who was that again?
Fernando Tatis.
Fernando Tatis.
But I'm kind of bombing out on baseball right now.
So let's take a break and let's have a look at the very black history of punk rock.
AJ Plus, Al Jazeera, the seek, just not seek, chic, oil chic billionaires in the Middle East have decided to spend some money brainwashing us into thinking that everything we do sucks.
And part of that, I guess, is telling us that punk was created by black people.
Ala Hamilton, I guess.
Race was kind of a big thing back in punk rock days, but it was us white kids fighting Nazi skinheads.
But as far as who was black in the music Business.
It never came up.
I didn't know until maybe two years ago that Polystyrene was black, the chick from X-Ray Specs, or Mick Jones was Jewish.
I didn't know about that because you weren't identified by your race back then.
But let's go back in time and make-oh, by the way, I know this dude.
That's Sasha Jenkins.
He used to do a great rap magazine called Ego Trip.
Then they ended up just doing lists and stuff.
He's a hustler.
He's always been on the move in New York City, seeing what the hot thing is.
I think he did the Whitest Rapper for VH1, produced that.
I actually worked with him, I think, on a thing.
Good guy.
Terrible skin, by the way.
But I think he saw this was the thing, and he goes, all right, I'm a punk now.
And he just invents this band.
This band doesn't exist.
It's just him with a scarf on.
In fact, he could be joking.
I think this is a joke.
All right, let's start it.
Let's have an A-rab talk.
You're black, you're punk rock all the time.
I don't wanna rock, it's always fire, I wanna rise, I'm gonna die in Cambodia.
This is me, I'm gonna die.
And that is the sound of punk.
Short, fast riffs, lyrics pushing back against the mainstream mundane, the original don't give a f ⁇ attitude, and a no rules allow genre for self-identifying misfits that emerged at a time where music was becoming maybe a little too clean.
Can you just posit punks?
Notice she shows a bunch of white people in the Very Black History of Punk Music video.
Let me tell you the amount of blackness that was going on.
In Britain, there was Don Letts.
There was a huge Jamaican influx in the 70s because they had just declared independence and they kicked the British out and they went, our country sucks now.
So we're going to leave.
You're going to see a similar thing in South Africa after they kill all the white people.
They're going to go, our farms don't produce anything anymore.
Anyway, huge influx of Jamaicans.
They assimilated quite well.
They're Christian.
They had just been under British rule.
They got Britain.
And so they ended up with ska music and rude boys.
And Don Letz brought sort of reggae to punk rock.
So you'd have, you know, the class doing dub songs.
Tiny, tiny part of British punk.
Tiny, tiny part.
And then as far as America goes, you had a hardcore band.
Hardcore is just American punk.
It's faster, stripped down.
Punk is British, basically.
You had one band called Bad Brains, and they were incredible.
If you found someone that doesn't like Bad Brains, you'd put them in a museum at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a freak, and they could ask questions.
Like I went to the Guinness Book of World Records when I was a kid in Niagara Falls, and the fattest woman in the world was there.
She was like 1,000 pounds.
It's normal now, but back then in the 70s, it was weird.
And she sat in a big booth with a microphone.
You just ask questions like, how much do you weigh?
And she'd be like, I weigh 1,100 pounds.
Oh, what do you eat every day?
And she would just answer questions don't they?
Probably the same questions.
Anyway, that's what you would do if someone liked bad, disliked bad brains.
That's a band, one band.
How is that the very black history of punk music?
Again, they're taking race and sticking it where it doesn't need to be.
All right, go ahead.
Salim Salaam.
Or at least as I saw it growing up, rarely look like anything other than these guys.
Correct.
Hey guys, I'm Sunnah.
This is AJ Plus.
And today we're going to explore the very black history and present of punk music.
It just keeps showing bad brains again and again and again.
Now, there was a decent amount of women who led the movement.
Patty Smith, Joan Jett, Debbie Harry, and Susie Su.
Don't jab it, don't put it.
And they all got major recognition.
But black or Latino or any other shade of punk, not really.
That doesn't sound weird if you've been taught the history of punk.
How annoying are millennials?
When it comes to any other shade of punk, not really.
They have this sort of a weird facial.
Yeah.
We're not going to do that.
I think it might come from Disney sitcoms.
If you've ever watched sitcoms on Disney, they go very big and they have to do a lot of.
Yeah, we're not going to do that.
And it seems to be affecting the way they portray themselves when they become adults.
This sound sucks, by the way.
Okay, go ahead.
Punk as something that emerged from the working-class angst of young white English men.
Think the sex pistols and the clash.
But it is weird when you dig a bit deeper into the history of punk and find that black and brown punks actually pioneered the movement.
Now, the most popular black American punk band is probably Bad Brains.
What do you think about this popular punk band?
And first, I want to talk about Death, the guys who helped pioneer punk without even trying or knowing.
Death was the Three Hackney Brothers from Detroit.
Their music is what's been called proto-punk.
Punk before we knew punk was punk.
Maybe what an expert knew?
Punk before there was punk.
Okay, just pause the deal.
They found the one other hard rock black band.
And again, Bad Brains were hardcore, not punk.
Death were a hard rock band from Detroit that no one really knew about outside of their very small circle of friends.
They did not influence punk in any way.
They're an okay band.
I listen to their album.
Yeah, pretty good rock.
But because they're black, everyone is freaking out, especially on the left.
The New York Times had a big feature on them and they made a documentary and they got so much attention, they got back together and went, uh, hi, we're deaf.
We're that band everyone is freaking out about?
They're not even close to as good as Bad Brains, and they have absolutely nothing to do with punk rock.
But they're black, so let's just cram them in to this ridiculous Arab propaganda.
go ahead Now, Death broke all the rules.
There were three black men playing what was considered white people's music at a time where black Americans were known for playing things like Motown and R ⁇ B. You know, we felt natural doing it while we were in our own quarters.
Look at these guys, by the way.
They were clearly bald.
And they were a mediocre band.
It sounded like every Italian in Long Island who had Some band that did covers.
Like, this is just a bar band.
But because they're black, liberals have dug them up and they go, oh, okay, I guess I'll put a hat on my bald spot.
I'll cover my wrinkly eyes with sunglasses.
And I guess I'll play some gigs to rich white people who are all of a sudden super into us.
It's insane.
This is nothing to do with punk whatsoever.
This is an 80s rock band inspired by, 70s and 80s rock band inspired by 70s hard rock.
It's not the very black history of punk music, you incompetence.
I should go tell the oil chics who are paying you how bad you are at your job.
Okay, go ahead.
But playing it out means that you had to answer so many questions.
Yeah, we totally spoke to death.
Now, the Hackney Brothers did start off by playing like R ⁇ B. In fact, their band was originally called Rockfire Funk Express.
But by 1973, they started playing rock and roll.
But we were just playing hard driving rock and roll, man.
We were just really trying to be like the group to the day that we love, like the MC5s.
Let's pause it for a second.
MC5s.
Kick out the jams.
Rock bands.
So they are sitting here telling AJ Plus, hey, we're not part of the history of punk.
We were like hard rock funk sort of glam kind of guys, you know, bell bottoms, platform shoes.
And by the way, speaking of bad brains, they were the same way.
They were a rock band and they went, punk's really big.
Let's try doing punk.
And then they did punk and then punk died.
And they went, all right, let's try hardcore.
And then they became a hardcore band.
They were just musicians trying to pay the bills.
Punk was already well on its way when Bad Brains showed up.
But go ahead and stop talking to this rock band, please.
It's embarrassing.
Alice Cooper and all those great rock and roll bands from the 70s.
We were really, you know, just kind of, you know, springboarding off with the sound that they was laying down.
But we were just doing it harder, faster, louder.
Despite their raw sound and unique and intimidating name, which by the way was totally ahead of its time, they didn't last long as a band.
They just didn't get the distribution that they needed, but some record labels worried about how to market their name and their sound.
And so Death kind of disbanded, but the brothers continued making music.
And it was only 30 weeks later in 2008 that Death was rediscovered and thrown onto people's radar.
Now, even though Death didn't go mainstream, their music was known underground and by the most die-hard punk fans, meaning they had influence.
There really was no scene or community to embrace them.
It's only kind of in retrospect.
Why do you guys want people who are like wow?
Just with this obsession with taking something, like they have you seen this propaganda that Bach?
Now, while Jeff is a pioneering band in punk history, they actually don't necessarily see what they were doing at the time as punk.
In fact, just playing old rock and roll.
We've never really considered ourselves a punk band.
Exactly.
I don't consider you a punk band either.
Let's move on.
You know, you got into a fight.
We were playing what we conceived as hard-driving Detroit rock and roll, man.
It's also important to note, as writer and musician Greg Tate told me, the difference in how white and black musicians in the same genre were marketed and how that had an impact on who got the credit and who got the fame.
The American music business is made up of gatekeepers on the corporate side, on the great rival side.
They very much subscribe to Jim Crow notions of Jim Crow.
Jesus Lord.
Is Jim Crow in every single liberal video now?
Do we have to keep hearing about Jim Crow again and again and again?
And the implication here, by the way, is that death could have influenced punk.
So we'll just say they influenced punk.
But racism prevented them from getting a record deal.
No, executives didn't know how to market you because you were a black rock band called Death.
That's a tough sell.
And then this buffoon, whatever his name is, Greg Tate, says, yeah, the gatekeepers are racist and black people couldn't make any records.
What are you talking about, sir?
Blacks are what?
Right now they're 14% of the population.
Back then, they were probably 10, 9 if we're going into the 50s.
They made up about 50% of the music business since rock and roll.
Since rock and roll, young people probably listen to, overall, 60% black.
If you include rap today, rock and roll back then, Motown, sure there's country music and rock, but for such a tiny percentage of the population, you're hardly being held back by gatekeepers.
In other words, get your hands off my punk.
Go ahead.
Racial separation and segregation.
Segregation.
That defined American culture.
That's cat.
You know, most of the 20th century.
It meant that black artists, you know, historically for most of the 20th century, couldn't make as much money playing their own music, didn't have access to the same pieces, you know, the same opportunities.
Now, in the 70s, there was another black punk band that really changed the scene.
Bad Brains, considered one of the most influential punk bands ever.
He's the only one.
This is from the 90s, by the way.
The group formed in 1976 in Washington, D.C., getting its name from a Ramones song.
The punk band dominated in the'80s with their mix of reggae and a very...
Bad Brains, the only band so far to give us the very black history of punk music, got their name from a white band from Queens called the Ramones, who are often credited with starting punk.
I think there's some merit to that.
I think they did it by accident.
They were trying to do rockabilly and they're just dumb and bad musicians.
And they played fast and everyone, that's punk.
Yeah, that's what I'm going for.
Punk.
That's what I meant.
Yep.
Have you noticed, by the way, she talks like that black chick in that MTV show, Race, where she black explains everything to you?
They have the exact same mannerisms.
And that wasn't really cool back then.
So people had to do something kind of different called Bad Brains.
All right, let's talk to Saeed again about this one band.
It's a big punk sound known as hardcore.
In fact, they, along with Minor Threat and Black Flag, are considered the pioneers of hardcore, which is a genre of punk which is, well, pretty damn fast.
And DC was hardcore's mecca and also one of the most long-term influential punk scenes.
And there were also other black punk bands like Pure Hell, Fishbone, and the UK's X-Ray Specs.
The main vocalist was a woman.
That is crazy.
So the only other, those bands that they listed, no one's ever heard of.
There's Fishbone, who were a ska band who came way later, like late 80s, 90s.
Fishbone were big in the early 90s.
So how is that the very black history of punk when punk had already been dead for at least a decade?
And then Polystyrene, you're going back now to the 70s and you found this woman.
No one thought of her as black, by the way.
I only found this out very recently.
Does that look like a black woman to you?
No, and we didn't think like that back then.
We didn't go, oh, X-ray specs are here.
I can't wait to see that African-American artist.
They had stuff on their head and rubber and latex and stuff and tons of crazy makeup.
You couldn't see what race she was.
It wasn't a thing.
She's half Somalian.
How is that a black history?
God.
Go ahead.
Oh, by the way, a little side note.
She, like Ariup of the Slits, I believe she died of cancer.
And punks have this stupid thing where they hate the system.
So as we get old, we get cancer.
So what do you do when you get cancer?
Screw you, big pharma.
I'm going to have creams and lotions and do Tai Chi and talk to the top herbalist in the area.
And then they die.
So punk kills.
It killed Polystyrene.
Oh, I remember this dude.
Is that the guy from Scream or something?
Go ahead.
It's worth noting that these bands weren't segregated to some black category.
They influenced other bands and vice versa.
Take Reggae, for example.
Numerous white punk bands used reggae in their music in the UK throughout the 70s, inspired by black punk bands' use of it.
In my conversation with Tate, he mentioned how this idea that rock or punk as an all-white boys club didn't really exist in the UK.
Black and brown punks were heavily influencing the scene.
Under the Thatcher government, there was a lot of disenfranchisement of white working class youth who were non-racist or anti-racist.
They kind of found their voice and their militancy through the political action.
Where are they?
Can you show me some photos?
Oh, we got one.
South Asian-born classmates, you know, and neighbors.
Those weren't.
And just like they're just stop for a second.
God, they're so lazy, aren't they?
They're just wasting this chic's money.
They just showed a bunch of poll tax protesters that had nothing to do with punk.
Yeah, there was, the black population, even with all the yardies coming in from Jamaica, was pretty darn small.
So even if 100% of young black people were into punk, you're not going to see a lot of punks in Britain.
They were kind of over it, really.
Go ahead.
That was the whole beauty of punk.
We didn't care who you were.
Punk was like, just pause for a sec.
Punk was like Animal House.
Remember at the beginning of Animal House where they're walking around the frat and they keep getting dropped at the couch with that guy with the big turban and the blind guy and the guy in a wheelchair, the losers, the misfits, the freaks?
That's what punk was.
It didn't care who you were.
A lot of ugly people were into punk.
A lot of fat chicks.
A lot of, you'd have like a handicapped guy.
I remember you'd see a couple wheelchairs at a punk show because our whole thing was we're the opposite of the jocks.
We're the opposite of the normies.
So we wanted you to have norms.
That was cool.
And the idea of being black, it wasn't a thing.
You're making it a thing.
And now you're going back and you're blackwashing history.
That's what all of this stuff is.
That's what Hamilton is.
That's what I saw this article recently, I won't shut up about how seven black women would be perfect as a new James Bond.
Stop blackwashing history, okay?
It's just false.
It's not true.
All right, go ahead.
Wars in Cambodia and Vietnam in the 70s or, well, Ronald Reagan's whole presidency throughout the 80s.
Big part of our punk, especially black punk, isn't a thing of the past.
It's still a live, budding cultural movement today.
I realize that, like, not only is rock and roll something that is native to people like myself and to Honeychild, but it's almost like my birthright.
That's Honeychild Coleman and Sasha Jenkins of the punk band trio, The 1865.
And yes, their name is referencing exactly what you think it's referencing.
Can you just stop?
The 1865.
I have some bad news for you.
The 1865 does not exist.
You are being hustled.
They've maybe played one Afro punk show.
This is just Sasha Jenkins and a couple of his friends screwing around.
This isn't a band.
And by the way, your video is called The Very Black History of Punk Music.
You gave me one hardcore band, Bad Brains, and now you're getting trolled by Sasha Jenkins and his friends as they noodle around on a guitar wearing a funny hat.
I mean, this is just pathetic.
And it's amazing how many young people get their information from crap videos like these.
The very black history.
Unbelievable.
How about the very black history of Motown or the very black history of jazz or the very black history of rap or the very black history of a thousand other types of music that blacks have pioneered?
Why do you want to get involved in punk and make such a terrible argument, you hideous five?
Is she a five?
Yeah, she's a five.
Go ahead.
References America in 1865, but when the Emancipation Proclamation brought a lot of promise of change for black Americans, except the racists had other plans.
Soon after, organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and other weren't really fans of people like myself and this young lady that got together and kind of made it their business to pause their business and make it what is less punk than being in your 40s.
Slash is married with kids.
You couldn't be less punk.
So you want to look oppressed and you go back to 1865.
I mean usually these people go back half a century To whine about racism.
When I say these people, I mean the left.
But now we have people going back to 1865 to bitch about the KKK.
That's how far back you have to go for the KKK to be relevant.
1865.
Your beef, sir, is that 1865 is racist.
Well, at least that's true.
At least you got something.
Nice substance, though.
I'm mad at English people for fighting the Scots for 700 years.
Did you know that that statue, what's his name, Cantwell or something, the statue in Halifax that they're taking down because he had a scalp on Indians' heads?
That same guy had a scalp for kilts, and he would murder Scots.
Scottish people were considered human garbage by the English.
And I'm going to start a band called 1300 and bitch about how horrible it was to be Scottish back then.
Pathetic.
I mean, it makes you look weak, really, Sasha.
Go ahead.
It's hard for us to live in America.
And so it must be horrible.
You look at the climate of where we are now.
I don't want to necessarily be so literal, but it feels like the same kinds of sentiments.
The 1865 makes music that looks at 1865 America from the lens of a runaway slave, a white southern soldier, a slave owner who felt no guilt.
The trio is part of a still growing and very visible black presence in the punk scene, something that was highlighted in the 2003 documentary, Afropunk.
The documentary really explored trials and good times faced by black youth who were an intimate part of a cultural scene that has always been seen as white by outsiders.
The film ended up inspiring a bigger cultural movement, including a festival started in 2005 by the same name.
The Afropunk Festival, which was started in Brooklyn and now is international, basically is about celebrating black artists, black creatives, and black fans in the alternative scene.
Honey Child Coleman, Sasha Jenkins, and Shauna Shantae, who runs a Black and Brown Punk Festival in Oakland, all say that there's nothing more punk than being black in America.
I'm not saying black people creative.
Afropunk is the least punk thing you could imagine.
It's injecting racial identity politics into punk, which was all about not doing that.
Punk rock was about no rules.
We would make fun of people like this.
47-year-olds, academics, hustlers, marketers doing a big marketing thing, we would make fun of that.
We wouldn't go to AfroPunk.
We'd laugh at it.
And this whole idea that we have to focus on the black fans, it's racist, is what it is.
There was black dudes in the scene when I was a young man.
To focus on them, I remember his name was Squeak.
If a documentary crew came by and wanted to talk to Squeak, we would all go, what are you doing here, you losers?
You old losers?
Get out of our house.
I guess that's what I'm saying to them right now.
Go ahead.
In punk rock, I'm saying we are punk rock without even trying.
The foundations of what people do that creates punk culture, say going on tour, booking your own tour through a like underground network, that's what black musicians had to do because we weren't allowed to play in clubs.
When we have been pushed to the margins, but we create in those margins and that's That it was my legacy and I never, I never believed anyone who told me I was trying to be white because I love rock and I love white.
No one told you that.
But even though they all agree that there's nothing more punk than being black, they also raise the point of how different the experience is of being either white or black in the punk scene.
When you're black, you're punk rock all the time.
Stop.
You're a target.
Did you see his skin?
That's punk rock.
Forget being black.
When you have giant craters in your face, you're punk rock all the time.
Go ahead.
Target all the time.
And I can't change the color of my skin.
There is a level of privilege that goes with, I'm going to put a safety pin through my nose and paint my hair, dye my hair green for three years, and then I'm going to clean up and put on a suit and get a corporate job.
We don't really have that luxury.
Yes, you do.
Just stop.
That is a good point in 1956.
In 2018, Sasha, you've been handed job after job after opportunity.
Look at this.
You don't even have a band and you've got a film crew over at your house asking you about your non-existent band as you sit there with a guitar on your belly pretending you guys are jamming all the time.
It's not a curse to be black anymore.
And when you keep saying that again and again, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
But for you, you know, if you think that you're black and it's making your life hell and blackity, black, black, black, then you create a little mini racist bubble where there really is the Klan following you, only it's all in your head.
What do you know about it?
You don't know what it's like to go for a drive and not know if you're going to come home alive.
Yeah, I do.
It's called paranoia.
All right, this is getting boring, but it's almost over.
By the way, have we completely given up on history now?
Now we're just hanging out with Sasha and his fake band?
Go ahead.
Cred for having punk years, but in my experience working in the corporate world, I can't let everybody know what I do outside of work because it could cost me my job.
Stop.
And for Shauna.
Stop.
She has a nose ring.
Her head is shaved except for a troll tuft on the top of her head.
But she cannot let her co-workers know that she's in a punky band or she would lose her job.
Where do you work, you fucking liar?
I don't like liars, but I hate bad liars too.
It's such a waste of my time.
Go ahead.
It remains super important to keep creating spaces that empower people on the margins.
I think it's important to see people who look like you making music and art.
It can feel very isolating.
So stop.
This is a very common myth that drives me nuts.
I think it's very important to see people who look like you making art.
This is the backbone of political correctness.
It comes up again, again, and again.
And it's not true.
They call it a, you have to see it to be it.
So we need to have black surgeons on TV so blacks can become surgeons.
We need to have black punks.
The government should pay for black punks so black people know they can be punks.
Meanwhile, being punk rock was all about rejecting society and trying to make yourself a freak, trying not to fit in.
Now we have to make people feel like they fit in.
No, it's not about tolerance and acceptance.
It's about a, they call it a f ⁇ you attitude for a reason.
It's not about holding hands.
You don't have to see it to be it.
Ben Carson is not a brain surgeon because he saw a black brain surgeon on TV.
He's a brain surgeon because he's smart and he worked very hard.
That's it.
This woman is a total, I don't like using the word idiot, but this woman is just an absolute windbag moron.
She has the IQ of a bag of flour.
Go ahead.
Say something of something.
It's depressing as a young person when people are trying to box you into one sort of identity and tell you how you have to be based on like your ethnicity or your class.
Punk is complicated.
Yeah.
You know who's telling you how you have to be because of your race?
Other black people.
If they are telling other black people that it's okay to be punk and they don't have to like rap and soul and R ⁇ B and they can like hard rock and black Sabbath, then you got a video.
Because that is a thing.
There's a real push for conformity in the black community.
But that's got nothing to do with this title and nothing to do with your stupid festival, Afro Punk.
How about we have a white rap festival?
Would that be cool?
Caucasian rap.
It's only white rappers and white fans of rap music.
We want to focus on the white contributions, the very white history of rap.
Does that sound like bullshit to you?
Yeah, it does.
Go ahead.
It's just simple raw music.
As a movement, it has this incredibly rich history that, like the people in it, is hard to box.
And if the black history of punk music tells us anything, it's how instrumental black musicians have been in the creation of American pop culture.
Life-changing interview.
Yeah.
And then Sasha's mashed the difference.
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