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Get Off My Lawn #65 | MLK Day 2018 Special
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Very serious problem.
Not only does America have a very serious problem, but our people have a very serious problem.
America's problem is...
Live from New York, it's Get Off My Run with Devin McGuinness.
Self-destruction.
Get myself destruction.
Self-destruction.
Get myself destruction.
Well, today's topic, self-destruction.
It really ain't the rap audience.
That was KRS-1.
Self-destruction.
KRS-1 was a homeless man who got into rap and decided I'm going to spread a positive message.
And that song is about how blacks are hurting themselves.
Self-destruction is the song.
And it featured KRS-1 and a bunch of rappers.
And it's amazing to hear this in today's day and age because the whole song is about culpability and how we need to clean up our communities.
We need to stop so much violence.
We need to stop this black-on-black violence.
We need to stop crime.
We need to keep our families together, stop abandoning our loved ones and our wives and our children.
You go, can we have some more of that, please?
Now, Chuck D, he's a social justice warrior now who makes videos that include my head blowing up.
But back then in the 90s, he was also of this mindset.
And it's kind of crazy to hear his verse in this song.
Let's just check this out shortly, shall we?
Did you hear that?
Plus, we have to keep ourselves in check.
That's amazing.
Just to be clear here, those lyrics are MC Light, Daddy O, D Nice, Dougie Fresh is on that song.
Where is it now?
Sorry.
Yeah.
Instead, in our head, you know, our job to build and collect ourselves with intellect, to revolve, to evolve, to self-respect, because we got to keep ourselves in check or else it's and then boom.
Today is the Martin Luther King episode.
It's all MLK all the time.
We've got Talib Starks and Jim Goad on.
We're going to discuss the greatness of Martin Luther King and also the foibles.
He's rarely humanized.
People don't know about the prostitutes and the plagiarism and the drinking and the rude quips and his love of guns and his conservative values.
He wouldn't have liked the pants down at the ankles.
He wouldn't have liked the Tariq Nasheed and all these social justice warriors.
Black Lives Matter, I don't know if Martin Luther King would support Black Lives Matter.
I think he would see it for the fake victimization that it is.
Of course, we'll never know because a sanitation worker shot him for disrespecting the mob.
That's his theory we'll get into on today's show.
But let's start with Jimmy Goad.
Mr. Jim Goad, are you there?
Oh, here, there, and everywhere.
It is Martin Luther King Day today.
Yeah, I'm celebrating.
Are you?
I am celebrating.
You know, you have to tread lightly with this guy because he is a sacred cow in America.
Well, that's exactly where I don't tread lightly.
I mean, these icons, you know, it's always a front.
They're being used for a purpose.
He was not a saint.
I don't even know if he would say that he was, but he's been made into a saint.
But he was deeply flawed.
And I'd like to get into all of his flaws.
Well, as someone who, my job is to keep it interesting, everyone who's watching TV today is going to hear about how great he was.
And he did.
I think it would be important if you're a second-class citizen to fight for equality in that country.
If I had, you know, people with beards had different drinking fountains, I would be mad as a bearded man.
But everyone's going to hear about that.
So let's talk about the bad stuff for a moment.
Sure, sure.
The speech that put him on the map, of course, the speech everyone refers to, the speech everyone remembers, is, I have a dream.
Yes, and parts of that were plagiarized from Archibald Carey Jr., 1952 speech from another black preacher.
So he was appropriating black culture in that speech.
And I think his PhD dissertation, large chunks of that were plagiarized.
And there was one other thing.
What did I have here?
His first public sermon, he plagiarized parts of that.
So yeah, he was a word thief.
And that's like, you know, if you're a comedian, joke thief, you don't like them.
I'm a writer.
I don't like plagiarists.
Well, people are going to say, how does Jim Goad know this?
Why am I trusting him?
And the reason I had you on the show is you are very careful about your facts.
In fact, I've offered people $100 for any mistake they can find in the Redneck Manifesto.
I'm a Wolverine with that stuff.
As far as I know, the only things I got wrong in the Redneck book were two dates.
That's it.
But it didn't change the meaning of anything.
And I'll cop to it.
I'm going to do an audiobook of it, and I'll change the dates.
So it'll be perfect then.
Oh, great.
So there's $200 floating around now that someone can get off me.
And it wasn't just the speech he plagiarized.
It was his dissertation.
His PhD was largely false, was it not?
Yes, yes.
And he was a doctor.
I always made the joke, people never asked what he was a doctor of, and I always say podiatry.
But I think it was theology, right?
But yeah, he plagiarized huge parts of his dissertation.
Allegedly, I wasn't there.
But that doesn't get around much.
Well, the thing about the plagiarizing the dissertation, few contend that.
I noticed Snopes is very pro-liberal.
They're very pro-MLK.
But even they, they will concede that he plagiarized the dissertation.
Then they'll say, but that doesn't trivialize his incredible accomplishments.
Yeah, well, they're not writers, really.
I'm a writer.
It pisses me off.
Can we say piss?
Yes, you may say piss.
All right.
Okay, so we've got...
Right.
Let's get into the worst of it.
What would you say the worst of the shit is that he's done?
Well, according to Ralph David Abernathy, cited by Michael Eric Dyson, who's a real bulldozing buffalo of a pro-black activist these days, the morning of the day he got shot in Memphis.
He had spent the night, MLK had allegedly spent the night with three prostitutes.
That morning, he got into a violent fight with a white prostitute.
And here's citing Ralph David Abernathy here.
King shouted and knocked her across the bed.
It was more of a shove than a real blow, but for a short man, he was 5'7, and I can't make enough of that, Martin had a prodigious strength that always surprised me.
She leapt up to fight, and for a moment, they were engaged in a full-blown fight with Martin clearly winning.
Okay, not one to judge here, but hey, if I'm going to get judged, I'm going to drag him down with me.
Yeah, and that guy who said that, again, people don't know who he is.
He's a black civil rights activist.
We've heard this rumor quite a bit that Martin Luther King indulged in white prostitutes.
I remember hearing a quote, I think it was the CIA, who said that he was having sex with these prostitutes and he'd say, I'm fucking for Jesus now.
The quote I got was, I'm fucking for God.
The problem, and I hate this, his records won't be unsealed until 2027.
I bet there's a lot of fun stuff in there.
I think it was the order of his widow.
They were sealed for 50 years.
So we won't know that.
But I'd love that to be verified.
That's hilarious.
I got to say that one.
Well, you hear them a few times.
I've got to take that line.
You hear about the white prostitutes a lot.
I've even heard accusations that he used church money to...
I'm not sure if that's church money or that's a private organization, but yeah, to have orgies.
And hey, you know, I think if you're going to have orgies, do it on your own time.
Do it on your own time, your own dime, and in private.
Bit of a leech.
Now, this is just salacious gossip.
Those are nanny state orgies that he was having.
Salacious gossip.
Go ahead.
But there's fundamental problems with the man.
For example, he was a fervent communist.
Well, I mean, okay, what did he say?
He said, I've got some quotes here.
Things such as profit motives and property rights, he decried that.
He decried the capitalists of the West, and he encouraged his listeners to question the capitalistic economy.
His longtime advisor, Bayard Rustin.
Bayard?
Who names the kid?
Bayard.
Bayard Rustin.
Was an organizer for the Young Communist League.
His speechwriter, book editor, event organizer, PR handler, tax advisor, and fundraising kingpin, Stanley David Levison, was a leader of the Communist Party USA and reportedly received a lot of money from the Soviets.
That's quite a lot of, I mean, isn't that worse than visiting the Daily Stormer?
I don't know.
That's direct.
The American left has to come to terms with the fact that Nazis are not a threat and communists are, and that has almost always been the case.
The funny thing about McCarthyism is it was justified.
Yes, they were hunting Commies.
Commies are bad.
As far as, I mean, I don't know too much about what the Nazis did with censorship and thought control, but that was the thing about communists.
You had to look over your back.
You were afraid to think.
And that rubs me the wrong way.
Some people like to be told what to think and to get in line.
But yeah, not a big fan of communism.
You won't see that on TV these days, though.
It's just Nazis all the time.
Nazis 24-7.
Yeah, Michael Malas blew my mind with that when he talked about these communist regimes where these spies will often turn in family members.
So you're talking to your family at dinner, nervous that they're going to take something out of context or even frame you.
That's the climate of communism.
Yeah, and as far as the Frankfurt School goes, there was a book, The Authoritarian Personality.
There's a chapter in there where they interviewed kids.
And if the kids liked their parents and were happy with their family, the diagnosis was they were mentally ill.
If a kid thought that their parents were messed up and hated them, that was a healthy, honest kid.
That's insidious how, yeah, they want to get in there with a crowbar and just mess up every family.
So, I mean, that gives the state more control.
The family is kind of a bulwark against the state sometimes.
It's an insidious plague.
And I remember a long time Ago, you said to me, this made me want to write a book and just permanently ostracize myself forever, but you said to me something about the fall of Detroit and how it had to do with cheap black labor shattering the unions, and it was all a big sort of a deep state ploy.
I don't know about deep state.
I think it was Henry Ford deliberately brought black workers up from the South to give them cheaper wages.
And other automakers, yeah.
And blacks were used.
And I mean, that's what's happening now with Mexican labor.
It's diversity, no, it's conflict to get cheap labor.
At least that's what I see it as.
And yeah, Detroit fell for a lot of reasons.
Rioting.
Places where they riot.
When do they ever recover?
I've never seen that.
Well, especially if it's a black neighborhood, especially if it's on Martin Luther King Boulevard.
That's the thing.
There's like over 100 in America, and I think it was a Chris Rock routine.
You know to stay away from Martin Luther King Boulevard.
That's the end result is 100 Martin Luther King Boulevards where you're not supposed to go at night.
I don't know.
I mean, I think a lot of desegregation messed up the black community because the professional class moved out.
And so you have this lump and proletariat who sells credit.
And there's nothing, you know, nobody wants to have a store there because there's hostility and people are poor.
So yeah, I think, you know, maybe people want to look twice about desegregation.
Some of the after effects were pretty bad for blacks.
Well, it seems that blacks are trying to re-segregate.
I mean, we've got colleges where they want black-only spaces, where they're having black-only proms, black-only graduations.
They talk about gentrification like it's genocide.
Yeah, I mean, well, if you want to talk about numbers, I guess, black abortion rates, I mean, as far as black lives mattering, there are other things to worry about besides yuppies in skinny jeans.
I don't think that's their biggest problem.
So can we, it sounds though like a communist could make the argument that capitalism, and we're going a little off topic here, but capitalism ruined Detroit because Henry Ford used cheap labor to shatter the unions.
That sounds like a pretty pro-socialist and pro-MLK argument.
I guess, but then the problem with the communists is a lot of people criticize me that I've changed since the Redneck Manifesto back then.
I envisioned this broad coalition.
I don't think that's going to work because people...
are tribal.
But the way they've got it set up now, you're a socialist, you're pro-worker, but if you're white, you have to not be white.
And if you're black, you can bask in that all the live-long day.
And that's not a formula for harmony.
I mean, either tell everyone to get rid of it or tell everyone, hey, wear your own racial badge, but just don't get into a fistfight about it.
They offer a divisive plan for workers.
And I think it's about displacement and driving wages down.
That's what immigration has always been.
There's a difference between settlers and immigrants.
We're a nation of settlers first.
The immigrants came later.
And they were Italian, and I had problems with them as a kid, so still got a grudge.
Well, the way I justify it is I say we have to play by the same rules.
So everyone else has borders.
We have to have borders.
Now, once we have borders, we can have the free market go bananas.
But without those borders, the free market can't go bananas because there's a leak in the boat and that's going to sink with cheap labor.
It's cheating.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm more pessimistic.
I don't know if people get along regardless of if we have walls or not.
Who knows?
I'm pessimistic about human nature.
I always said if it was just identical twins left over on the earth, they'd have the way to play Crips and Bloods.
I think conflict's inevitable with people.
All right, so we can bring it all back here.
Detroit may have been ruined by Ford bringing in blacks for cheap labor.
I'm sure King would be a fan of that.
But King was also a communist and a socialist.
And his assassination, we don't have a lot of information on it.
There's a lot of conspiracy theories.
But you were talking to me earlier about it being linked to sanitation strike?
Yeah, there was Memphis sanitation workers' strike, and King thought that the black trashmen were getting the raw end of the deal.
No idea whether that's true or not.
But he led a march earlier that ended in violence.
He preached nonviolence, but there was violence at some of his rallies.
Whether he can be blamed for that or not, I mean, you go back to a Charlottesville thing.
I mean, placing blame is not a game that I get into.
The fact is that people smashed, some of the people who were at the tail end of his last rally in Memphis smashed windows and there was violence.
Allegedly, he was warned, don't come back.
I know it's a free country, but there was more of a context there.
I'm not sure.
Well, you know, the march never came off, so he was shocked.
But it had something to do with the sanitation worker strike and him coming back after being warned not to.
People can make of that what they will.
The thing that always fascinates me is Jesse Jackson.
You don't hear much about him anymore.
He's kind of gone under, but his lie about holding King, his bleeding, dying body in his arms like Mary with Jesus in the Pieta statue.
I mean, Jesse Jackson, that's a whole different topic.
He was sued about five years ago.
I wrote about that for, I guess, like molesting a gay guy or coming onto a gay guy.
Oh, really?
Aruba Tommy or something, like a real gay, jumping, fruity, gay black guy.
It was Aruba Tommy, I think his name was.
And to be clear, he did not hold Martin Luther King in his arms.
That was a lie.
Other people have said that's not true.
Again, I mean, all journalists, first rule, I wasn't there.
I don't know.
This is what I've heard.
Can't ever state anything as a fact unless you were there with your iPhone.
Okay, so it's possible that there was a riot with the sanitation strike.
Sanitation guys, mobster guys, said, don't ever do that again.
He came back, and then they say, hey, James Earl Ray, go in there and take care of that guy.
He didn't listen to this warning.
Possible.
I don't know if he was a lone wolf.
I don't know enough about that to have a comment.
I remember going to the Lorain Motel back in the 80s when I was a public enemy fan and was a fan of MLK and especially Malcolm X and cheap little Chinsey Hotel.
One thing I know about Memphis now is it's one of the worst cities in America.
Terrifying.
The last time I was there was 10 years ago.
And Atlanta has a bad rep. Atlanta's not nearly as bad as Memphis.
Memphis is overwhelmingly black, really poor, dangerous.
The hairs on your neck kind of stand up.
That's, I guess, the legacy there.
He hasn't done much for that city, I guess.
Memphis is a terrifying place.
Well, there's Malcolm X and there's Martin Luther King.
And it's like there's Coke and there's Pepsi.
There's the Rolling Stones and the Beatles.
I feel like we're Malcolm X guys.
We're the Rolling Stones and MLK is the Beatles.
MLK was just, I guess, you know, he was a light version of it.
Like in Malcolm X. I guess, okay, MLK was cocaine and Malcolm X was crack.
I'm a crack header.
I like crack better.
I mean, he was braver, but again, Malcolm X, he thought that whites were created by an evil scientist.
For a bit.
He was Nation of Islam for a bit, but then he abandoned that and said, that doesn't make any sense.
I'm out.
But he was still Islamic and, I guess, more communist and one world type of guy.
But I think what got him killed, allegedly, wasn't there, but he ratted out Elijah Muhammad for being a philanderer himself.
These guys, these religious guys with power, they're all macking, every one of them.
Yeah, well, especially the short ones like MLK, because they didn't get pussy when they were in their teens and they got a lot of catching up to do.
He's got a chocolate Napoleon complex.
He's making up for lost time.
Chocolate Napoleon on Martin Luther King Day.
What blasphemy.
Let's temper this blasphemy with, do we have anything good to say about him?
He loved guns.
I heard that when he was shot, he was waiting for his gun permit.
I mean, I don't know if he was masochistic, but he was brave.
And he got killed.
I mean, they put him in jail and he didn't shut up.
Great orator.
Don't know if he was good at oral sex.
Black guys allegedly don't like doing that.
But great speaker.
Great speaker.
Wonderful speaker.
And try to do a speech that people are still talking about 100 years later.
That's a real accomplishment.
I would have lost the mustache, but otherwise, yeah.
Good speaker and brave and believed in his cause, you know, maybe fanatically, maybe, you know, a little bit too much.
Who knows what he'd be doing today?
I don't know.
He'd probably just have a reality show.
Well, Thaddeus Russell.
Yeah, look at that mustache.
At least he wore a suit.
Thaddeus Russell was talking about how he was essentially a conservative.
And if he was around today, he would hate ghetto culture.
He'd hate low-slung jeans.
He'd hate names like, as Raven Simone points out, Watermelandria.
Not that Raven is any kind of a name.
Yeah, but I guess he'd be like Bill Cosby, too.
He'd be dissing the black community, and then it'd come out that he was beating white hookers or something and giving them Kwaylots, and he'd have a downfall.
If he wasn't going against the narrative, they'd find a way to lynch him, I think.
Yeah, he would be part of the Me Too movement.
He'd be one of these scandals that just came out.
I mean, and again, in a rape trial, that mustache is not going to look good.
Well, I think he may have updated it over the past half century.
Now, outside of being a communist, he also wasn't very popular with the American public back then.
Yeah, I mean, I wrote an article called I'm So Bored with MLK about five years ago.
At the time, his approval rating among Americans was 94%.
I'm sure it's closer to 100% now.
In his lifetime, from what I've read, his approval rating in the American public was never higher than a third.
He was not a popular guy.
He was seen for selling division and riots and everything that people who hated the 60s hated about the 60s.
And I think you can still find him on YouTube.
There's a country artist, Johnny Rebel, who's an explicit racial content warning.
But he mentions King quite a lot in his songs and blames him for a lot of the problems and for desegregation.
But it's good to listen to Johnny Rebel at least once in your life.
I recommend his music.
There's a lot of lyrics about King in there.
I had a friend who would put him on at parties and just let it play in the background, and you'd slowly see people go, what the hell did that just say?
Yeah.
It's like it sounds just like old honky tonk, but then he's talking about going alligator hunting.
You put two and two together.
It's like, wow.
Because it's so much more offensive.
You would use it to clear rooms back in the late 80s and early 90s.
So wait a minute.
Maybe MLK was unpopular because America was racist.
Well, or, you know, they didn't want what they saw, their own culture being destroyed.
I don't know.
I'm not one to ever go after motive.
I don't know what their motives were.
It was unpopular, I think, because people didn't like those sort of policies back then.
And, you know, people who were framing the narrative didn't like his policies, maybe.
I don't know.
I'm not sure why it was unpopular.
Maybe they didn't like his mustache.
I would have said, no, I don't like him just based on his mustache.
But surely we both agree that Martin Luther King was right in that America cannot have different rules for different races.
I mean, I guess a nation can't, yeah.
But yeah, I think he was used as a tool for bigger government.
I think a lot of the civil rights stuff was that was a ruse or a cover, at least, for just expanding federal power.
And it really had nothing to do with rights.
He was just an effective pawn.
I think in a lot of ways.
I wonder what his approval ratings are among whites versus blacks these days.
That would be interesting to check out and get your fact checkers on that one.
I wonder if whites worship him more than blacks do.
Blacks might see him as a sellout.
Yeah, I bet you're right.
The last thing on my list here is, and this doesn't really go with the flow, but I have to get it in there.
He hated JFK.
I don't know if he hate, but allegedly, according to quotes, what do you say?
Bobby Kennedy told Jackie Onassis that he arrived drunk at JFK's funeral and was making jokes about how the pallbearers almost dropped the casket.
And also, there's FBI surveillance tape where allegedly he's watching footage of the funeral and seeing Jackie hanging over the casket.
And MLK says, look at her, sucking him off one last time.
And you know what?
Me hearing that, I like him more.
I know, that's so offensive that it's endearing.
I don't think most Americans, it doesn't go with the public image.
So I guess I'm an iconoclast.
You know, there are people worth admiring, but when it gets too much, like it's gotten with MLK, I take a perverse delight in taking him down a couple notches and making him human again.
I couldn't agree more.
I respect him.
I obviously think that he was a great man, a great orator.
I believe in desegregation.
I believe that everyone has to have the same rights.
People aren't equal, but people have the right to pursue everything equally.
They should be equal under the law, but there are dumb people and smart people, etc.
How about freedom of association?
Should they be able to self-segregate?
What if you don't want to hang around anyone?
Absolutely.
If you want to have a black prom, go Banana's.
If you don't want to bake a cake for gays, go Benenes.
How did you know I wanted to have a black prom?
Because I knew you were alluding to it.
It's the elephant in the room.
Let's get it over with.
The answer is yes.
This is Atlanta.
Easy pickings.
Yeah, can you go to a black prom if you're white?
I don't know.
I don't know.
What if you just enjoy black culture, your girlfriend's black, you'd like to go to the black prom?
I bet you can.
I'm not the type to go where I'm not wanted, but I mean, I think that's the definition of an asshole.
But, you know, I wouldn't.
I think it'd be funny if somebody got like a wedgie or something for going uninvited to a black prom.
Yeah, that would be an amusing wedgie.
And I like that he was into guns.
I like that he was into self-empowerment.
But he's been turned into a saint, which is disingenuous.
It's inhuman.
I don't think King would have supported it.
And he was a fallible man.
He was a short man.
He was a horny man.
He had some corrupt tendencies, and he cheated quite a bit.
He was a plagiarist.
He was a philanderer.
And don't take that away from someone.
That's part of being a human man.
Yeah, that just makes him human and more colorful.
Like I said, hearing him say, look at her, sucking him up one more time.
It's like, oh, cool.
I said, I didn't like Bill Clinton until I learned he got a blowjob while eating pizza and talking on the phone to Congress.
It's like, all right, now I like him.
I wish they would do that in movies more, too.
Especially black people, like Don Cheadle before House of Cards, in every movie, he's such a god, like such a sweet man.
You go, the movie could kill this guy right now, and I wouldn't care because I don't know anything about him.
He's just a chocolate popsicle standing there being Adam Sandler's friend because Adam Sandler's family died in 9-11.
And like with MLK approval ratings, I wonder if you polled black people about saintly depictions of blacks in movies, if they believe it more, or if white people do.
I would think white people believe it more.
Well, while we're polling blacks, I have a fun idea.
We've had Hamilton...
That can be painful.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Hamilton has rewritten American history with blacks and Puerto Ricans as all the stars.
And we have black Nordic gods.
We have black Achilles now is going to be done by a black guy.
The Honeymooners has been blackified.
Kickass is a blackified.
Dave Chappelle to the Black Klansman.
That's appropriation.
Yeah, yeah.
Dave Chappelle.
Clinton Bigsby, that was that guy.
So if that's okay to do, and if we are uptight, if that bothers us, then would it be okay for us to have Conan O'Brien play MLK in the next depiction of him?
Is that all right?
I don't like Conan O'Brien, but I love the idea just because it would be so awkward.
Yeah, why not?
We can give him an Afro wig, but if Hamilton, if there's no problem with Hamilton, why can't Conan be MLK?
Okay, 5'7".
It might even be a little shorter, but Patton Oswalt as an LK.
Patton Oswalt, that's a much better – He's more wide.
Conan is too skinny.
He's like a penny.
He could rock that mustache, too.
Yeah, yeah.
Nothing wrong with it.
I mean, that's the whole thing.
People, I've been saying this for a quarter century.
People need to lighten up more jokes, more racial jokes, more slurs coming from every side.
That's the only way to get everyone sane again.
Otherwise, it is like a Soviet environment where you can't even breathe.
I couldn't agree more.
America was much less racist when it was an archie bunker nation because it's called ball busting.
Cops do it every day.
That one cop gets a haircut that looks funny, his name's haircut for the rest of his life.
That's the way it works.
But we can't do that with minorities.
So you just go, all right, well, I'm not going to go near them.
There's too many rules.
I'm not going to think about them.
I'm not going to utter their name.
They're like that Harry Potter word.
Yeah, I mean, and I think, at least in my experiences with non-whites, they appreciate that more.
I think no one they distrust more than a cautious white person.
Yeah, African American is just a really racist term.
When I hear someone say it, they sound like they're scared of blacks.
Same with person of color.
It's like they're talking about something that they have to touch with kid gloves.
And as an editor, person of color is just an awkward way to say colored person.
It adds a word.
It adds an unnecessary preposition.
It's the same thing.
But one's offensive is like, guys, you don't make any sense.
Lighten up.
Call them coons.
Whatever you want.
I don't care.
Humor.
Got to bring it back.
People are going nuts with taking things too seriously, and it's suffocating.
They do call them coons.
Conservative blacks get called coons every day.
They brought back the word.
Yeah.
Yeah, nogs, all sorts of, they have all sorts of derogatory ashada.
The hoteps have a bunch of great insults for these guys.
But yeah, more racial jokes.
And just the MLK, when you think of them, think of them beating up a white hooker and saying, look at him sucking him off one more time.
Be more human.
Or at least include that in the depiction of the man with all the great stuff, with all the halos.
Throw in some dirt too.
If you want to have a Netflix thing with him being redeemed at the end and the sun shining on him, fine.
But yeah, he's human.
My God, they're all human.
I'm sure Jesus masturbated.
Something like they're all human.
Jesus didn't fart.
Not once.
Thanks for coming on the show, Jim.
I like you more than a friend, and thank you for injecting a little bit of reality into this pious day.
Happy 2018, everyone.
The self-destruction is served on the Friday.
Making a day, not failing to enjoy.
Talib, are you there?
Yes, I am here, G-Money.
Now, I always like talking black to you because it feels cool, but I haven't really been immersed in that culture since the 90s.
So all my stuff is like from NWA and stuff.
Like, yo, what's up?
Trying to keep it real.
This is the MLK episode, and it's on MLK Day.
And the man is complicated.
I think this whole sainthood that they do of him, it makes him inhuman.
I like his foibles.
Yeah, I agree with you, man.
I like the MLK.
I like learning that he talked about other things.
He was an actual man.
He cared about other issues.
You know, one of the issues I remember that doesn't get a lot of play is when he spoke at a church, I believe it was 1961, and he said something about, he talked about the black crime rate in St. Louis.
And he said, quote, do you know that Negroes are 10% of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes?
We got to face that.
And we've got to do something about our moral standards.
End quote.
And that was MLK that you don't hear about.
I haven't heard about this MLK as a kid and as a teenager.
Thank God for the internet.
Is when I found out that, oh, this guy actually lived in the place where I lived and see what I saw and see and spoke about it.
He wasn't necessarily going, we're 10% of the population, but 100% of the issues are because of the white man.
He actually turned around and said, no, this is on us, too.
And I appreciate that, and I respect that about him.
I just want more people to hear this MLK, the unedited.
But here's the thing.
If you release the unedited version of Dr. King, it will make him one of us.
And we don't like to give, when I say one of us, mortals.
And he's the only civilian with the statue down there on the mall in the history of the country.
And if you attack him and make him mortal, you're attacking the entire black race or American black race.
Yeah, I don't like that.
I don't think that's a good way to treat a person is to make them Inhuman.
Jim Goad was talking about how at JFK's funeral, as Jackie was leaning over the casket, he said, Look at her sucking him off one last time.
He was mad at JFK's reaction to a church burning, so he had beef with JFK during the funeral.
And I thought, that's a horrible thing to say.
It's also kind of funny.
And now I feel like he's more of a person.
He has ups and downs.
He's a human being.
And they ruin him when they turn him into a saint.
Yeah, and you know what?
They won't.
And I had this bet years ago with a friend.
When it came time for the Freedom of Information Act to release the files that were accumulated on Dr. King, I said they will never release those files because there's so much in them that it will taint his legacy, well potentially taint his legacy.
And so they just need to keep it the way it is.
Dr. King is our saint, and saints have to be flawless.
Yeah, but you know there's another angle that you're just making me think of right now, which is they don't want the world to know that he was conservative at the end of the day.
He was a Christian, and he would have a lot more in common with Talib Starks than Talib Quali.
He wouldn't like Tariq Nasheed.
He wouldn't like the pants hanging down below the waist.
He loved guns.
You know what my kids were taught recently?
This was at church.
The lady, they go to this kids' part of the church during the sermon, and the woman there said that a gun killed Martin Luther King, and she wishes you could get all the guns together and have a giant bonfire.
And I get home when the kids tell me that, and I go, Martin Luther King loved guns.
You're being lied to.
Wow.
Yeah.
I mean, here's the thing about Dr. King.
He also said, we know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world too.
And I live in a black world.
And living in a black world, you need a gun in the urban setting.
And I know black and urban, they're pretty much synonymous.
So Dr. King, if he's like Talib Starks, he had a gun.
And he knew he needed a gun.
I mean, listen, I'm like, I got new guns that I haven't brought out.
I haven't unboxed yet.
But I'm starting to get guns just for guns' sake.
Actually, I think I bear more guns.
I'll bear more arms?
Bear more arms than short-sleeve shirts.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Dana Lash said she has to move.
One of the reasons she had to move is because she got too many guns for her house.
She said it was turning into an arsenal, and I needed a bigger room for my gun room.
Yeah, you get addicted to them.
You got tattoos.
Nice.
A gun room.
You see what I have behind me, right?
Yeah, that's a nice gun room.
It's beautiful.
In the hood, what is the general consensus with Martin Luther King?
Do they care about him?
I was, I was, yeah, of course you care about Dr. King, but it's Dr. King.
You've heard this story 100 times over.
So it is what it is.
No one goes out of their way for Dr. King.
Like it was Dr. King's birthday.
Nobody's really like, hey, today's Dr. King's birthday.
It has to be sold in a community effort.
But if, in fact, Congress says we're going to release some of those files on Dr. King, then you will all of a sudden see everybody become Dr. King's protectors of his legacy.
You know what I mean?
So it's more or less, yeah, Dr. King is the man.
He is who he is.
But if you violate him, if the white man violates him, then it's going to be a problem.
But we can ignore what he's done all along.
Well, he plagiarized his dissertation.
He was addicted to white prostitutes.
He got pretty violent with them.
He was a conservative, and he loved guns.
That's all part of the man.
Yeah, and that's some of the stuff, again, that if it comes out officially, you know, where you can actually read it, like President Trump released some of the, what did he release?
What files did he release?
JFK?
Yeah.
Yeah, if he releases some of that, some of the Martin Luther King stuff.
And, I mean, wow.
I have to tell you, when I first read about this stuff, I was devastated because I really thought he was, you know, the black Jesus.
Well, you were like a real militant black teenager, weren't you in the Nation of Islam or something?
No, I was, yeah, I was studying Islam.
I mean, the Nation of Islam, they were the guys who, you see what they could do with guys coming home from prison, you thought, wow, this guy, before he went in, he was a beast.
Now he's coming out talking about, hey, brother, being pie?
No, brother, that's not the way.
Yeah, the guys are suitable.
And I'm like, wow, what happened to where he transformed from that to this civilized person?
And the credit went to the nation of Islam.
So yeah, you know, I was a young militant dude, I mean, because that is what you're immersed in in the hood.
Well, at least when I was growing up.
Now it's all over the place now.
You're just a victim now.
You don't need to be militant.
You're just like, everything that happens to you is because of systemic racism.
And that's it.
Yeah.
Well, even in hip-hop, I was listening to some song from the 90s, and Chuck D comes on, and it's like a multi-artist song about hip-hop against violence or something.
I think it's something KRS-1 started, Stop the Violence.
And Chuck D comes on, and in his verse, he's talking about how we have to recognize what we're doing to ourselves and stop the violence and stop the gangs.
And we're out of control.
And it was all about how we need to solve our own problems and not look to other people.
And I go, well, that's a really right-wing attitude.
I can't believe that's coming out of Chuck D's Mouth.
And then you cut to now, and he's got videos where he's got Trump and my head blowing up, and everything is about victimhood.
And white people did this to us.
And it's just, it's a really terrible mentality to have for black people.
I mean, when you're a victim, that's a terrible life to lead.
Yeah, I think the song you were talking about was Self-Destruction.
Yeah, that's.
TRS-1, Chuck D. And yeah, there was a lot of accountability in that song.
And those are songs that don't, you know, nowadays I say won't be made because it's not cool to be accountable anymore.
It's like victimhood is the way to go from top to bottom.
And it's an easy sell.
It's a very easy sell.
And sometimes I'm like, yo, I'm in the wrong business because that's where the followers and the money and that's where it is.
There's so many people doing that.
And they all, everyone who does it, you know, they're successful.
Especially a guy.
You mentioned Tariq Nasheed.
He's one of the top guys.
Dr. Umar Johnson is another guy.
So yeah, man, victimization.
And I always say the letter V sponsors the black community.
Black community is sponsored by the letter V, Sesame Street style.
Yeah, Chadwick Moore is a gay conservative.
He's on Tucker Carlson a lot, fellow proud boy like you and me.
And he said he was gay and he had this victim mentality his whole life.
It's tricky in New York too because everyone's always telling you to f ⁇ off and move and get out of my way.
So when you have the victim mentality, you get yelled at, you get insulted on the street and you go, see?
You see?
They hate homos.
And then one day he just turned that off in his head and he realized, no, everyone's just a jerk in this city and it's not about me.
And he was on Tucker saying to this black woman who was all about victimization, he said, if I could put you in a white woman's body, like put your brain in a white woman's body, and just walk around that day, you'd probably see the same abuse, the same lack of respect.
And you'd realize, this isn't my skin color.
This is my mentality.
Not everything bad is the fault of someone else.
And to get into that mentality is to cripple yourself.
Absolutely.
But there's benefits to being crippled.
That's the problem.
When you cripple yourself that way, you get benefits packaged with that.
But it's funny.
You mentioned the Prowboys.
And one time I was, I think I may have mentioned it to one of the reporters when we got together.
And yeah, it may have been her.
And I said, we talked about the Prowboys.
And I said, yeah, do you know, she was trying to insinuate that word, the Proud Boys, racist?
And I said, something like, well, do you understand that the term Yohuru, it's actually an acronym.
And it means understanding humanity utilizing racial unification.
It may not have been her, somebody who was, but when I put it that way, it was like, oh, so it's an acronym.
Yes.
And it's so, it's funny how it's so funny how you can take something, someone's belief, and you sprinkle something else in there like I did, and they create a reasonable doubt.
And so now, you know, you know, the Proud Boys are, what are we?
The shit.
We're not racist anymore?
You know why that is?
Because they don't have the courage of their conviction.
Like, you and I can get hammered all day about our beliefs, wrong, wrong, and you just come back, no, that's not what it was.
It's 2.6%.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Because we know where we stand.
We know what we believe in.
But they're just doing it for fashion.
They're so fickle that all you need to do is show them one black guy, one gay, one trans conservative, and their whole worldview just collapses like a deck of cards.
Yeah.
I've never seen a deck of cards collapse.
Have you?
Really?
You know what?
And I said one time, you said, one time, and I owe you credit for this too.
One time I said the word sword.
Yes.
I pronounced it sword with the W. All black people do that.
And you said the reason why black people pronounce it with the W is because they've never seen a sword before.
And I thought, he's fucking right.
Oh, somebody can edit that out, right?
Yeah.
I'm like, this guy is correct.
Yeah, and you don't talk about swords in common parlance, so it never comes up.
But you know what?
I resent that.
Like, I was at the movie theater, and we were watching this trailer for this imminent cartoon about cave people having to face the Bronze Age and getting killed by all these guys in armor and stuff.
And I could feel the black people next to me just bored and turning away and then turning back when the Black Panther trailer was on.
And I felt like saying to them, that's your history too.
Cavemen, Bronze Age, Ice Age, we all are in this together.
That's why I don't like these Confederate statues being taken down.
Okay, say that guy was the worst guy ever.
That's part of your history too.
We all took a long circuitous route of the plague and world wars and blah, blah, blah.
And we all arrived here together.
No, I agree with you.
But so what?
And that's what I'm saying.
It's so easy to divide.
That's where that's where the business is.
That's where the money lies.
That's where a lot of people draw strength from is through division.
And I know people personally who, you know, okay, one time when I went to vote for the, in Philadelphia, for the DA, and in my neighborhood, pretty much no one's voting outside of Democrat.
So when you go into the place, there are literally, there's no other party.
Like the Democrat Party has it locked.
But I was voting for Beth Grossman, the Republican.
But these polling places, they don't even entertain the idea that a black person could come in there and even want to cross the aisle.
So, when you go into this, when I went into this place, it was pretty much already pushed.
They already pushed me right to where I needed to go.
And I said, wow, this is no, I don't have an option here.
And it kind of got back and forth because I was asking about the candidates.
I knew who I would vote for, but I was so intrigued that this was such a one-way line in this supposed to be democracy.
And that's because, again, the money, I mean, the business of self-marginalization is where it's at.
We always need a boogeyman.
The boogeyman will help sustain us.
I think over the years, I've said this plenty of times.
Without a boogeyman, we have to face ourselves.
We have to look in the mirror, and that mirror may not reflect what you want it to reflect.
So it's just easier to point the finger at the other guy.
And it's been working, and it will continue to work.
It will continue to work.
And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yeah, you know, blacks and Democrats are a sick, codependent relationship that's like Sid and Nancy or two junkies.
The Democrats, they get the votes, and they get bigger government because they have more welfare, more social programs.
So they're more powerful.
They're a bigger institution.
And then what do blacks get out of it?
They get the family shattered because you've given the mother a financial interest in losing the dad.
That leads to more crime.
That leads to more jail.
So their lives get worse and worse and worse.
And the Democratic government gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
I wish they would just wake up and go, wait, Republicans are the ones that wanted to end slavery.
Republicans are the ones that wanted accountability.
What do we do with that team?
Listen, don't waste the wish on that.
You'll probably only get three, so don't waste on that because it would be a waste of a wish.
I'm telling you firsthand.
Look, I'm to the point now where I'm like, man, you deserve what you ask.
You asked for it and you got these results.
You deserve it.
At the end of the day, man, you can't do things over and over and expect a different result.
And that's what happened with the Democrat Party.
I mean, that's why I believe it's called the left, because once it comes, it leaves shit in pieces.
You get what's left when they come and push their agenda.
And I didn't mean to curse again, but this is one of those topics that gets me hot under the collar.
But yeah, the left comes, does what it wants, manipulates, abuses, then leaves what's left.
You get to keep what's left.
And we keep voting for that over and over.
Leave us the crumbs.
We're happy with the crumbs.
Didn't FDR say that?
We'll have these niggers voting Democrat for the next 100 years.
Yeah, and I say that his math was wrong because it probably would be about four, multiply that a few hundred years, and then he's on to something.
It's so frustrating, too, because welfare is not a lot of money.
Crime is not a lot of money.
Selling Coke is good if you're the top guy, but all the little minions, they make 20, 30 grand a year.
Welfare is 22 grand a year.
If you work a crappy minimum wage job or get a trade in New York, you could be looking at 80, 100.
Electricians make $100,000 a year.
Come on.
Yeah, but you're working for the man.
Oh, God.
And that's not cool.
It's a culture.
I think we've talked about this over the years.
It's the culture.
You're right.
Everything you're saying makes sense, but it's the culture that promotes this.
Would you rather work for the man and make $100, would it say 40 hours a week working for the man, or you can make that money in a day for yourself, selling this.
And there's easy quick math, and you'll be cool.
And, you know, there's no ridicule with what you're doing.
There's no pride.
You know, part of it is the names too, all this Shaniqua and even Talib.
It's like a way of saying we're separating you from the rest of people.
I saw these kids, they worked at an auto shop, one of those Three Brothers, the ones where you buy auto parts, and someone had stolen something from it.
And the guys chased, this is in Harlem, and they chased the thieves, caught them, tackled them, and then all these other people run up and they're yelling at the employees who caught the shoplifters and said, let them go.
It's not your store.
Why do you care?
What are you doing?
Just let them go.
They care about their employer because they care about their job.
That's not cool.
Yeah, I'm with you.
I'm with you on that.
And that's not an isolated incident.
I mean, if you take that kind of mindset and multiply it around the country, and then someone comes over top of that and says, you know, and usually your Democrat politician comes in over top of that and support these kind of backwards endeavors.
That's a cesspool.
And I think, honestly, I can't afford to move.
So what I do is use my surroundings for research purposes and keep my guns.
And just in case some of the research animals decide to cross the line.
Yeah, some of your lab rats decide to cross the cross.
Some of my lab rats escape the cage.
Yeah.
So yeah.
But that condition is crazy how that's from any hood, any hood, USA.
You can go here and you could go over to LA.
You can go down south.
Seattle, yeah.
Midwest, you can go anywhere and it's the same conditions and it's just not coincidence.
It's like dating the same girl and she's just breaking people's hearts around it.
Everyone, Shaniqua.
You know Shaniqua?
Yeah, I know Shaniqua.
You know what Shaniqua did to me, man?
Then another person, man, I went out with this girl named Shaniqua.
Man, you know what Shaniqua did?
And then you found out everybody, I'm saying, why is everyone dating Shaniqua?
Don't y'all know what she's going to do?
She's got herpes and she robs every single man she's with.
Right.
So why do you guys keep getting in bed with her?
And that's the Democrat Party.
It's so frustrating.
But you said something kind of, it was pessimistic, But I appreciate it.
You said when you're working at that home for troubled kids, you said, Yeah, there's some kids out there, they just need some discipline, they'll get back on track.
But there's a large percentage of them where you go, you need to be cut loose.
There's no future here.
You could be given all the money, all the mentors, all the military academies in the world, and you're just bad.
Yeah, I mean, that's like, there are some bad people at the end of the day, right?
Right, yeah.
Let's be real.
Everyone can't be saved.
And I know that sounds, that is pessimistic.
And the person in my position, I didn't go into that field thinking that.
I became that.
And that was the only way you, and I feel like that with police officers may have that same mindset.
And maybe trauma center surgeons in a place like Baltimore where you realize we can't do anything with this guy on the table that's been shot 10 times again.
It's just certain things you learn from experience where you're like, let me channel my resources where they can be best utilized versus wasting the resources on something that I know won't manifest.
All right.
Well, last question.
We're out of time.
Is there hope for black America?
Is there hope for black America?
Yes, there's always hope in America.
Black Americans will always have hope in America.
As long as we recognize that America is the tree that we have to protect.
You know, you get the blacks that feel like we can do better without America or we don't need America or we want to create this parallel existence in America.
No, those blacks can't be saved.
As a matter of fact, no American, I believe, but specifically for us, the 13 percenters, we got to recognize that America is the best place for us and has been.
And you got guys like Frederick Douglass who understood that years ago.
And when he was asked what should be done with the Negro, he said his response was, leave us alone.
Get out of the way.
And as long as you're in America, you have an opportunity like a guy like Puff Daddy or Jay-Z, drug dealer, to venture capitalists.
Only in America, man.
Don King had it right.
And as kids, we, you know, that's one thing I say about with Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump was Don King, that same kind of mindset of only in America can you do this.
And when you hear that growing up, you believe, but then when you hear, you know, not in America because there's a glass ceiling.
And then you're like, really?
But that doesn't stop us from aspiring.
Then you get people like Oprah to tell you, I'm a billionaire, but I'm going to tell you racism is real because I'm not a trillionaire.
That's how you know racism exists.
And you have other millionaires complaining about not being billionaires.
But again, yeah, there's no, I mean, there is hope for black and married as long as we recognize America is best for black Americans.
You better recognize.
Yahi.
Thanks for coming on the show, Talib.
Inspiring words as per huge.
And I'm not this dark, man.
For the record, where's John?
It looks like I have kidney disease, right?
Yeah.
Folks at home, Talib Starks is not a silhouette, and I, for the record, am not a pink marshmallow.
See you later.
All right, my friend.
Happy New Year!
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