Gishgallop Girl - Episode 40 - A Shot In the Dark Episode 14 - The MMR Vaccine

Oct. 30, 2025 - Gishgallop Girl

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Episode 40 - A Shot In the Dark Episode 14 - The MMR Vaccine

This Episode focuses on debunking Candace Owens on the MMR vaccine and her quite wild, entirely bogus claims about it. Link Stack https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/15/candace-owens-australia-visa-00608983 Candace Owens Got Barred From Australia! https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccines-and-other-conditions/autism Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) on Vaccines and Autism https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-vaccine-moms-speak-out-amid-fierce-backlash/ CBS News article that Candace references in episode https://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-cluster-at-daycare-center-the-latest-cause-for-concern/ Article about measles at a Daycare center, linked from CBS in link #2 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/latest-measles-outbreak-is-a-wake-up-call/ Linked from #3 above, discusses how The latest outbreak of measles at Disneyland was a wake-up call for vaccination but was not the worst case to that point. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-measles-outbreak-spreads-to-record-level/ This was the worst outbreak of measles in two decades and it happened in 2014 in Amish Country in Ohio https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2594742 60 Minutes episode from November 12, 2000 featuring the mentioned story about Nicholas Wildman and the MMR vaccine https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctor-blames-discredited-autism-vaccine-link-research-for-measles-outbreak CBS News Follow Up from 2015 https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347.full British Medical Journal article by Brian Deer, reporting long form on the case against Andrew Wakefield https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmcZ_ZQQrcc Part 1 of Behind the Bastards on YouTube about the Grifters Behind the Fake Autism Cure Industry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtA_Zwca354&utm_source=perplexity Part 2 of the BtB episode https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/autism-prevalence-studies/9mw4-6adp/about_data CDC Source for Autism Tables presented https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/students-needs-drive-expanding-costs-of-149229.php Stamford Advocate on Students Needs in outplacement programs https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm CDC Page About the California Measles Outbreak report, from 2015 at Disneyland https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/vaccination-impact/index.html Link to CDC article on the Chickenpox vaccine success https://www.cdc.gov/shingles/about/index.html CDC Article on Shingles https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/5245/joc70121t1.png?Expires=1763665635&Signature=veDvxnjN6gU4mTuuuvijwXSdRsTUuWkMsla-BaFafvzbDNF4h9eRs4lu0sqWhqsVdmdL81wOB2pa0jaHOzs8S-~QtePruLX8qStJCagtUcT1xY0MM9XnOFvaa95e-HzLdV5zih9HoB5xb3Uht9Na-njjgK6~EExOTUEcfVnwGdNC11IOP6HtWhEtGHEiAJQuqZWx6R9L4qTZrsSg3~MBJc~PITHLEsP1j3B2QG8MJms8m7n6abz285ZYUMTCbpcyAGrcJBzIY5X-NVn8h5fPbwWqJrUu~egXqg6as43r3l32aIVb29A4GD6-PcieXCXXUHflTzWmmjhcaHfwNY~nZw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA Huge Link to the Journal of American Medicine chart Candace Owens uses to lie. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448 Full article attached to image link above https://www.cdc.gov/pinkbook/hcp/table-of-contents/chapter-13-measles.html CDC Pink Book Chapter on Measles https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15007-mumps Cleveland Clinic on the Mumps https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rubella/symptoms-causes/syc-20377310 Mayo Clinic on Rubella https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK448191 NIH on Varicella/Chickenpox https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines%2C%20blood%20%26%20biologics/published/Package-Insert-Measles-Mumps-and-Rubella-Virus-Vaccine-Live_2.pdf MMR Vaccine Insert https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/fever/Pages/Febrile-Seizures.aspx Simple resource on Febrile Seizures https://historyofvaccines.org/blog/the-horror-of-german-measl es-in-the-1960s-and-today History of Vaccines on the deadliness of Rubella

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	Okay, hey everybody.
	Welcome to another episode of Gish Gallup Girl, the show where I, a person that pays out of pocket for this very thing in your ears, a person that willingly subjects himself to the outrageous slings of not only listening to the work of Candace Owens, but also throws himself into the fire to occasionally provoke her fan base on Twitter and other social media, a cisgender ally to all that are not fascists and definitely an ally to any anti-fashion, whether they be open or closeted about it.
	I am the main research monkey and host almost quite literally in every way of this show, Thomas Anderson.
	And with me tonight, as always, is...
	God damn it.
	You know.
	I thought I could keep myself straight-faced through the whole thing.
	Somehow I forgot my name.
	You're Matthew.
	Right, Matthew.
	God damn it.
	Yeah.
	Over here eloquently fucking writing a goddamn intro and I can't even remember my own fucking name.
	I mean, to be fair, I do write the intro weeks in advance.
	I mean, that's fair.
	That's not off the dome.
	So tonight, we are recording after yet another almost month of unprecedented events in the world, not the least of which was the current president of these United States, a man known as Donald John Trump,
	one of the most powerful people on planet Earth, went on live broadcast and did his dead level best to blame autism on mothers taking Tylenol and actually also said that the MMR vaccine should be broken up into parts if it has to be taken at all.
	In the same press event, with people from departments in health and human services standing right by him.
	But that is not what we are talking about today.
	I only wanted to bring it up to put kind of a cultural time stamp on this episode.
	Today, we are still in Candace Owens' series of medical grade bullshit, A Shot in the Dark.
	And we are talking about, appropriately enough, well, I will let Candace take over in this first clip.
	I wanted to say before I start this, the only things I cut were the intro and the outro.
	Everything else is purely from this episode of her show, which is A Shot in the Dark Episode 14, the MMR vaccine.
	As I was working on this episode, I got news from several of you fine folks that something awesome happened.
	Thanks, everyone, for blowing up my DMs on Blue Sky and email.
	But as I told a few of you, I was up on the Candace Owens Australia news just a little bit ahead of the first person that sent me a note about it.
	I just want to say again, thank you, guys, gals, and others.
	If you haven't heard, Candace Owens was permanently barred by the Supreme Court of Australia, which is known as the High Court, which has barred her from entry to the country.
	So she can't even visit, never mind not being able to peddle her bullshit.
	The official tone is that they dismissed her case entirely and upheld the earlier decision by the office of Tony Burke to bar her entirely and deny her travel visa.
	This or the Macron lawsuit or any number of other reasons could be why at the time of this writing she has not made a new episode.
	Now to catch everybody up on that, she did not make any new episodes for almost three weeks.
	God damn.
	18 days she went without making a new episode of her show.
	She makes anywhere from four to six episodes a week.
	Now, the thing is about the whole Australia thing, too, I looked into it and all of those people have to be refunded.
	All of them.
	Yeah.
	And it has to come out of her wallet, hopefully.
	Yeah, well, it's supposed to be held in escrow.
	She should not have had that money on hand.
	We're talking a lot of these, a lot of these tour dates had VIP levels where people could spend $1,000 or $1,500.
	I'm not sure which it was.
	But there were various levels of ticket prices.
	One of them, of course, was sit down in the audience and be a dunce.
	The next levels up included things like selfies.
	And the final level included attending a private dinner with Candace and family and presumably other fans.
	That one is $1,500.
	Now, $1,500 Australian translates pretty nicely to American dollars.
	But there were a lot of those.
	Like, those were sold out.
	Those were sold out first.
	So, a lot of money was being spent on her taking a trip to Australia to speak to these nimwits that they have.
	No, all of that's all of that's gone.
	Right down the shitter.
	Yeah, and most of the tickets, too, were for places that would seat no less than 200 people at a time.
	And those were selling out.
	Mostly because it had also been enough time that people that were on the fence, maybe not, maybe they didn't have the money at first, but they had the money now.
	They didn't stop selling tickets.
	So when things got put on hold.
	Yeah, when things got dicey, they continued to sell the tickets, which is very unethical.
	You know, the fucking AAA video game companies have been sued for less.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would expect if these people don't get their money back, there are going to be lawsuits.
	Like they do have a reasonable window to refund people, but I think Australian law is very clear on what that is.
	And the event organizers definitely knew it ahead of time.
	So, yeah, that remains to be seen how all that's going to work out.
	It'll likely be done privately, but if there are any public lawsuits, I would expect it to hit the media.
	That's still the funniest shit, though.
	Yeah.
	She got permanently barred from fucking Australia.
	Yeah.
	Got barred from the most dangerous place on the planet.
	Australia.
	Florida for the rest of the earth.
	Even the koalas will kill you.
	Yeah.
	Even the Jeroboas might try to nibble on you.
	Have you seen a fucking Jeroboa?
	They're like little tiny fluff balls with these zags-draided fucking kangaroo legs.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	Yeah.
	So, having caught up on all of that, let's go down with The Shot in the Dark, episode 14, the MMR vaccine.
	Let me just make sure I've got my volume right on this.
	Oh, I do not.
	Let's fix that.
	All right.
	Live time, real radio.
	Woo!
	Here we go.
	All right, guys.
	Welcome to another episode of A Shot in the Dark.
	And today we are going to be extremely controversial because we are going to be talking about the MMR vaccine, which I would say without a doubt, we all know is the most controversial vaccine on the market.
	Why?
	Well, because this is the one that so many moms claim is the one that gave their children autism.
	Now, I should say, right at the top of the show, obviously, according to Big Pharma, according to everywhere that you look on the internet, there is no causal link between MMR and autism.
	There's just no causal link, and that is what they are.
	That is their story.
	They're sticking on it and sticking to it pardon.
	And one of the things that I can say is that when my sisters, who I keep bringing up to you, were committed to getting vaccines and getting onto the schedule, this is the one that I begged them not to get.
	I said, if you're going to do any vaccines, and says anecdotally, please just don't do this one.
	Yeah, no love for her family.
	So, right off the top, this is about the MMR vaccine, which, of course, anyone that read the title of this one knows by now.
	I want to add at this point that due to things she says in here about the MMR vaccine, I half expect this particular episode of our show to be taken down by YouTube like one of the other episodes was.
	And while I hope that isn't the case, these episodes are always up on the various podcast providers such as Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and everything else.
	If you get a podcast feed from anywhere, you can get this fucking show.
	So, next up, Candace is going to talk about mothers that insist their kids got autism from the MMR vaccine.
	I'm going to let it play through because I believe it is important to hear how she presents this misinformation for her audience of pay pigs.
	She doesn't do the Gish Gallup technique much in this clip because she is trying to appeal to emotion.
	It is still total bullshit, but it is worth hearing for examination.
	Reason why I was saying that was because there were just a couple of things that piqued my interest about this.
	First and foremost was just the viciousness in which mothers who had no incentive to make a claim that their child was perfectly fine and then they went in and got this MMR vaccine.
	Why would they, what is the upside to being a mother that says this vaccine gave my child autism?
	Like, what is the what is the upside?
	I know a few episodes ago, we showed you the clip of Jenny McCarthy, who was one of these mothers who came out and was very convinced that her child had gotten autism from the vaccine.
	And all she got for that was grief.
	This is a person that had a tremendous career.
	There have been so many people who are like this.
	And so when people think that mothers are lying, the question that I always ask them is, what is the upside of lying?
	When if you say the exact opposite, if you say that big pharma saved my life, if you say that vaccines are amazing, you will be adored.
	It is easier to go with the mainstream media narrative than it is to go against it.
	And one of the things that I thought was quite remarkable was that when I would see these sorts of gatherings that were being pulled together by mothers and they would hold pictures of their children and they would say that my child was injured from the you know from the NMR vaccine.
	You know, my child, my child was happy.
	Some would say that my child died from this vaccine.
	One of the things that really struck me was the differences in these mothers' backgrounds, the socioeconomic differences.
	These were mothers that were coming from all different races, all different backgrounds.
	You know, what brings a mother together from the projects with a mom that lives in Bel Air to march and to make the same claim.
	So to believe that these women are lying, you have to accept that some moms got bored and wanted some attention and decided that they were going to go against their doctors, their nurses, the mainstream media narrative, plus face a score of pejoratives being called anti-vax and being mocked and maimed and caricatured by their own communities just because.
	And that doesn't quite make sense to me.
	That is something that just didn't quite make sense to me.
	And I was looking at the way that some celebrities are being treated by saying that they had done research, people that were being treated that had said that their child were impacted.
	And it just seemed like there was always a mob that descended at the very moment that somebody said that something happened.
	And again, going back to the very first episode of this series, why?
	Why?
	If it's scientific debate allows for people to say things, it is entirely plausible that you and I could go out right now and we could both get an injection of something.
	You could have no reaction.
	I could have the worst reaction in the world because human beings are not one size fit all.
	That makes perfect sense.
	We could each eat a peanut.
	I would be totally fine.
	You might be someone that breaks out into an anaphylactic reaction.
	So.
	Okay, so that was an easy ride, huh?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So since she didn't cite any actual celebrity names except Jenny McCarthy, and she didn't cite any of the actual gatherings of parents that went to these rallies, I had to do a lot of work looking for examples.
	Now, before I continue, do you know who Jenny McCarthy is?
	I've heard the name Snarry and Annie Belf.
	She was a big deal in the 90s.
	Okay.
	She's one of the rare women that was a Playboy Playmate.
	She was in an issue with Playboy.
	She got Playmate of the Year, so she was on the Christmas issue, you know, showing her body, whatever, young and hot, whatever.
	And then she actually had enough of like presence and talent to have her own sitcom, to do all, to do like a stand-up tour at one point.
	Like, okay.
	She was briefly married to Jim Carrey for a while.
	That would be where I know the name from then.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They, um, like she, and she had a successful podcast for a while too, until she got very anti-vax.
	And she was one of the people that gave Andrew Wakefield his real big like rise.
	Yeah.
	Because Jenny McCarthy claims that she cured her son's autism.
	Okay.
	There is no way to prove that the kid ever had it.
	She's never provided any medical evidence either way that the kid had it and that she cured it.
	I mean, shit, even just saying that he had specific tics would be better than anything else.
	Yeah.
	So, excuse me.
	Yeah, she claims this.
	She's gone on record claiming this for a long time.
	Well, her celebrity status has kind of ebbed and flowed since the mid-90s.
	But yeah, she is considered about as loon shit crazy as Rob Schneider.
	Do you know who Rob Schneider was?
	Yes, I know who Rob Schneider was.
	He was too spigo and shit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What's great, though, is Rob Schneider's daughter Is singer Elle King.
	Yes.
	And her music has played at several of my old jobs because it managed to make enough of a hit.
	Yeah, I mean, a lot of her songs honestly slap.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're pretty good.
	And she has nothing to do with him.
	Yeah.
	They could not be further apart.
	Right down to taking her mother's name.
	Yeah.
	Well, what's funny, though, about her is she was in Deuce Bigelow, Male Gigalo, as a child.
	Wasn't she the scout?
	She's a Girl Scout.
	Yeah.
	At the start of the movie that's selling him cookies.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He accidentally has Born Channel on.
	Yeah, it's a whole thing.
	Yeah.
	Man, it really sucks about him, but he has gone off the MAGA deep end.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, he, you know, yeah, he's also extremely anti-vax as well.
	For no real reason.
	Yeah.
	Like you find in the MAGA comedian set, they're almost all like the same guy these days.
	Like they, you know, of course, like they trust Trump generally, goes without saying, but also like they're all anti-vax.
	They're all just garbage, garbage people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That said, you know, when he started going off the deep end, I didn't feel bad about pirating his shit.
	I mean, that's fair.
	Like, so, yeah.
	So anyway, back to the back to the scripted material that I bothered to write out.
	So, yeah.
	I didn't find anything that I felt merited mention on this show of the rallies because a lot of it was basically what Candace said, which was parents blaming vaccines in public speeches at rallies and with bullhorns and marches for their child's supposed autism.
	The first link in the link stack is from an excellent article written by the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia that gives an overview of this topic and calls out the issues, most of them anyway, with the false studies performed by Andrew Wakefield and friends.
	I heard Andrew and I thought you were going to say Tate for a minute.
	No, no.
	Andrew Tate is anti-vax though.
	Oh, yeah.
	And he will cite the Wakefield studies if given half a second.
	But she will go on to mention Wakefield more later, so I won't go into all of his bullshit right here.
	Anyway, what I want to do is mention something she doesn't cover well at all because reasons is covered in the CHOP article, the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
	And that is that autism symptoms have only really been linked to the MMR vaccine by concerned parents because autism symptoms tend to show up at the same age that the MMR vaccine is typically taken.
	That's it.
	That's the entire link that these confused people already going through the early, you know, these confused people make.
	So it's basically they follow the vaccine schedule and their kid is likely already going through the early stages of autism.
	Some of it is really subtle, easy to miss, especially if a parent is a working adult.
	But even if they aren't and they don't know what to look for, when the full symptoms show up, they can feel blindsided.
	Without knowing better, they link the vaccine, keeping their kids safe to a state of being that they didn't see coming.
	There is no causal link between vaccines and autism.
	Candace only repeats it as often as she does in this to keep the perceived authorities off her back.
	But considering that this show was only available at the time it aired on a paid platform, I have to think that she was just trying to give a wink-wink nudge-nudge to her PayPs or setting it up for future distribution or both.
	Regardless, she has more to say, of course, on where we left off, talking about how people are different.
	So mass medicines are bullshit, in her opinion.
	That said, we learn a possible new thing about Candace in this next clip.
	We accept that reality on that level.
	We accept that people have different reality, different allergies and different responses to even environmental factors.
	I am deathly allergic to mold.
	I could walk into a room.
	I'm also deathly allergic to rabbits.
	You could put a rabbit in a basement, a bunny in the basement, and I could walk into the house and let you know that it's in there because I will go into a full-blown asthma attack.
	How bizarre to just be like, well, Candace is lying because I'm next to the bunny.
	Nothing is happening.
	That is how we are treated when it comes to vaccines.
	Like, it's just one size fits all.
	The song How Bizarre is now playing in my head.
	It's a good song.
	Also from the mid-90s.
	So before we go on further, I looked into whether or not this could be a thing.
	It is absolutely plausible.
	I did some digging to see if there were any verifiable photos of her with rabbits like out in the world.
	Yeah.
	And I could find none.
	So she also hasn't discussed this before or since in my study of her work.
	So I am inclined to believe it for now.
	That all said, What she said about being so allergic to rabbits that entering a home where one is in the basement or another room, I looked into whether or not that could trigger an attack.
	And it is absolutely possible that it could happen.
	Yeah.
	Rabbit dander is very fine as a particulate, and it can wind up in HVAC systems easily and trigger an attack.
	So I just wanted to acknowledge that this is absolutely a thing.
	Candace, to my knowledge, has not acted in ways against this allergy.
	And I think this kind of allergy really sucks to have.
	I have no fondness for rabbits, but I do like eating them and raising them for food.
	And I would hate to have an allergy this bad to them.
	So we can talk this unexpected find up in the she is a human after all department, which honestly, she might not want to ever do a speaking engagement in Minneapolis, St. Paul, or anywhere else in this metro if this allergy is real.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm saying this because we have an enormous amount of wild rabbits here that are just everywhere.
	Not to mention that a lot of the inner metro people own rabbits because they're easy to keep contained in apartments and shit.
	Yeah, well, I know we have private rescue groups.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You know, and the like as well.
	And like they do, don't they do like rabbit trimmings at the bedshop attached to the L ⁇ B?
	Yeah, yeah, at the Bon Marche.
	They do nail trimmings as well as rabbit adoption in the springtime.
	Because the baby booms aren't.
	Like every few weeks over there.
	Yeah.
	They have flyers and shit up for it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So yeah.
	Moving on.
	Which, you know, I just want to bring up too.
	Candace loves talking about Japan.
	Yeah.
	I guess she's lucky that the Japanese rabbit island is like off of the mainland.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, I mean, you know, coming from Florida where there were rarely ever rabbits in the wild, seeing them here as frequently as they are is always a strange idea.
	Yeah.
	It is, it is strange, but it's also like, okay, you know, they're a thing that's here, just like the turkeys and shit.
	But like, I would, I would not want to see her have to go to the hospital, you know, due to like a rabbit like allergy.
	Yeah.
	Like, because then she would be in our state longer.
	And I don't want that for us.
	No.
	So, you know, maybe it's a good thing that her speaking engagements here have never really panned out that well.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, especially with the whole rabbit allergy thing.
	It's like, what if somebody raises them or they take care of some wild rabbits and shit and they go to one of her speeches and the fucking HVAC system blows the fucking rabbit dander?
	Yeah.
	You know, like there's ways this can go very, very wrong.
	Like, yeah.
	No, I, you know, like, no.
	So anyway, moving on, Candace reminds us why we are all here, and it isn't for a pity party.
	She's going to read from a CBS article that is the second link in the link stack.
	Anybody telling you anything different is lying.
	It's perfectly safe and it's perfectly effective.
	And so I, again, will say that anywhere you look, I have to immediately, I guess, put a disclaimer on myself and say there is no causal link between autism and the NMR vaccine or any vaccine for that matter.
	And then I'm going to show you some things that have made this vaccine so controversial.
	So first I want to show you this clip, which was on CBS, and it was talking about the fierce backlash that mothers fear and that some mothers receive when they speak out on their different perspectives about vaccines.
	So the article reads, one is a businesswoman, an MBA graduate, another is a corporate vice president, the third is a registered nurse.
	These three mothers, all of them educated middle-class professionals, are among the vaccine skeptics who have been widely ridiculed since more than 100 people fell ill in a measles outbreak traced to Disneyland.
	Critics question their intelligence, their parenting, even their sanity.
	Some have been called criminals for foregoing shots for their children that are overwhelmingly shown to be safe and effective.
	So, we get the standpoint that CBS is presenting here.
	Why wouldn't these parents give their children the MMR shots?
	We got rid of measles.
	There's been this outbreak, by the way.
	They're not telling you that this outbreak is amongst the unvaccinated.
	They're just saying that you can now blame the unvaccinated for measles coming back.
	Because even, of course, if it's only the vaccinated, as I showed you in previous episodes, like pertussis, even if it's only the vaccinated that seem to be getting these diseases, you can still always blame the anti-vax position, which, of course, defies common sense.
	Okay, so as I said, the CBS News article she mentions is in the stack.
	Also included is the rabbit hole I followed on this topic.
	Candace is so very wrong, of course, about the basics here, and we will get into them now.
	So, before we start, I want to point out that all of these articles are from 2015.
	This particular episode is from 2024.
	So, she had to go back almost nine years, give or take, to find something that she could reference for her audience, and it doesn't even prove the point.
	So, in the article, there is a link to the third article in the link stack about a measles cluster that showed up at a daycare center, which was linked along with 150 widespread cases to Disneyland in California.
	I think I know why she doesn't like doing research.
	Yeah, because she'd have to go down rabbit holes.
	Right, rabbits are the new official animal of this podcast.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, knowledge fight has purple penguins.
	We're embracing the rabbit.
	I just decided that that's not in the script.
	Anyway, that one got a lot of press, but it wasn't the largest one on record at the time.
	That one actually occurred in 2014.
	The largest one on record occurred in 2014 at the time in Ohio's Amish country, where 383 people caught measles.
	In that case, as in almost every case, but in that case specifically, Amish missionaries, which I did not know until doing this research, Amish missionaries are a thing.
	They went to the Philippines and brought back measles and infected their town.
	In the case of Disneyland, a single unvaccinated carrier brought it to Disneyland, and over 150 persons got affected.
	Because Disneyland is such a hotspot for people from all over the world, the infection rate could have been and might have been much worse.
	It actually, in later research that I did on all of this, the Disneyland vaccine was almost 700, or the Disneyland measles outbreak spread to almost 700 people.
	Jesus.
	Yeah.
	But in every case, the vaccinated people did not catch the virus.
	What happened in most of these cases is that children who were either too young to be vaccinated or had some other non-vaccinated status caught the virus.
	Fortunately, no known deaths occurred as a result of these mass infection events.
	But lifelong cases from measles infections can include hearing loss, vision impairment, brain damage from measles encephalitis, and a weakened immune system, which can persist for several years or lifelong.
	So we don't know what could be on the table now or in the future for these folks.
	Candace is now going to introduce her audience to the name of disgraced former British Dr. Andrew Wakefield.
	Well, so let's take a look at this interview that was conducted a long time ago on 60 Minutes, in which they were talking about where these anti-vax sentiments were coming from.
	A name that you will hear over and over again is a man named Andrew Wakefield.
	Andrew Wakefield was a physician.
	He is a scientist and he wrote a he conducted a study rather and published it in Lancet, a study that was eventually revoked.
	He got his license revoked to practice medicine saying that he had established a causal link between autism and the MMR vaccines.
	So let's jump into this CBS news clip, which also features a 60 Minutes segment.
	Take a listen.
	To understand the anti-vaccine movement, meet Nicholas Wildman, 19 years old, six feet tall, and still in diapers with severe autism.
	This is video his parents showed Ed Bradley on 60 Minutes 15 years ago.
	Played normally.
	He just says not done.
	Nikki before the vaccine for his measles, mumps, and rubella that his parents blame for his autism.
	I should never have him have that vaccine.
	Compelling video, perhaps.
	But one problem.
	Science has discredited the link first floated by a British doctor named Andrew Wakefield in the journal Lancet in 1998.
	There is no doubt, not that much, that there is no link between an MMR vaccination and autism.
	Absolutely no doubt.
	MMR vaccine does not cause autism.
	It never made biological sense that it would.
	And now we have all the epidemiological studies showing that it clearly didn't.
	Dr. Paul Offitt, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, says since Wakefield's article, there have been 14 studies looking at hundreds of thousands of children on three continents that show no linkage.
	Why did Dr. Wakefield's hypothesis get any traction at all?
	Because we don't know what the cause or causes of autism was, and now he's got a reason, right?
	He's got a boogeyman.
	Only in the view of science now, his boogeyman has been widely discredited.
	It was just wrong.
	Okay.
	So she played a clip from CBS News there.
	That clip, by the way, was from February 10th of 2015.
	She had to reach back over nine years to a CBS story that referenced a 60-minutes episode done 24 years prior, which was released about two years after the study produced by Andrew Wakefield.
	In the 15 years since, that study had been debunked 14 times.
	That speaks to not only how sensational the claim itself was, but also how seriously it was taken by all involved.
	The medical science research method worked to debunk that bullshit.
	The IMDb link to the original 60 Minutes episode is in the link stack, as is the text of the CBS report that she just played, which again was just over nine years old at the time she played it in 2024.
	But here comes the spin.
	She will be appealing to emotion, of course.
	A lot to unpack there.
	First and foremost, they are showing you a parent who is sitting down 60 minutes style discussing how they are absolutely certain.
	As I said, these are the conversations that are happening, but they're absolutely certain that their child was perfectly healthy.
	They're showing the reporter videos of their healthy child.
	And then they say, we went and got the MMR vaccine, everything changed.
	And suddenly this child was no longer progressing but regressing.
	And now what we are seeing is an adult that can't take care of themselves, that lives with their, is going to have to live with their parents for the rest of their lives.
	And she's crying.
	It's obvious.
	Okay.
	She was not crying.
	In the brief clip Candace played, Candace said for the audience to listen to the clip.
	So I don't know if she thought they wouldn't see the video or not, but I watched the Candace version.
	I went looking for the episode itself to watch the original.
	I was going to watch it in full.
	And this is where fuzzing the truth gets easy for Candace and hard for me.
	I looked to see if I could find the original 60 Minutes episode from the year 2000.
	I really want to get the Conan clip of the guy singing in the year 2000.
	I really want that.
	I'm going to have to try to find that sometime.
	Because so much shit gets referenced back to the year fucking 2000.
	Oh, God.
	Of course, you know what's going to happen?
	I'm going to fucking find it and nothing I do in the rest of the fucking future is going to like is going to matter for that year.
	It's going to be like 2001 or 1999 and I will never get to use that.
	That's what I feel is going to happen.
	Anyway, back to the work here.
	So for anyone else that wants to look for it, anyone else that wants to look for the episode, I can tell you when it was.
	It was in season 33, episode 7.
	Now, this is currently a problem, as the online archives for 60 minutes only go back to about season 44.
	How many fucking seasons were there of 60 minutes?
	I think it might still be going on.
	So that's for easy online fetching.
	I snooped even on the torrent side I prefer and I got nothing.
	I even went to the muck that is the pirate bay.
	Nothing.
	Jesus.
	So for now, this remains as it is.
	But in the clip, the mother from the year 2000 was not crying.
	I had hoped to be able to pull the segment or at least watch it to see it for myself if maybe Candace had seen the whole thing.
	But as of this writing, I don't believe that she did because I do way more work for this show than she does for hers and I could not find it.
	That said, check out the CBS story link if you want to see the video of the story she mentioned.
	Because I was able to find that.
	I was able to link to it.
	Next up, another short clip where Candace is most certainly lying or has been lied to.
	I don't like doing short clips, but the way she just coasts past what she's about to say, I had to cut it to examine it.
	Obviously, very convincing.
	Again, ask yourself the question, what would be the upside of making the story up?
	Not just, I have not just heard that story on a 60-minute segment.
	I actually know somebody very close to me who has worked with me for two years.
	Brother, exact same thing happened.
	Perfectly healthy, went to get a set of a series of shots.
	Suddenly, overnight had a seizure and never came back.
	He is now an adult in his 30s and lives with his mother and will never be able to live on his own ever again.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	So somebody she worked closely with over the last two years, whom of which she does not name, unlike all of the other people that she works closely with.
	Right.
	Had a brother.
	Or sorry, has a brother.
	Probably not dead yet.
	Yeah.
	Has a brother who went and got all of his shots.
	As a baby.
	As a baby, had a seizure and now is stuck at home.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to play the clip again?
	Yeah.
	So everybody can kind of marinate in it.
	Because I listened to it a bunch of fucking times.
	Okay, we're going to play that one again.
	We rarely ever do this.
	We're going to do it.
	Obviously, very convincing.
	Again, ask yourself the question, what would be the upside of making the story up?
	Not just, I have not just heard that story on a 60-minutes segment.
	I actually know somebody very close to me who has worked with me for two years.
	Brother, exact same thing happened.
	Perfectly healthy, went to get a set of a series of shots.
	Suddenly, overnight had a seizure and never came back.
	He is now an adult in his 30s and lives with his mother and will never be able to live on his own ever again.
	Okay, so when did he get his series of shots?
	If he was an infant, got a routine round of shots, had a seizure, and now will never be able to live on his own ever again.
	Yeah.
	I don't know any infants or small children out there in the wild paying their own way in the world.
	No, no.
	It's a fucking absurd lie, I am sure.
	But I just wanted to pause on it for a beat because this is the kind of thing she says has no basis in reality and she just moves past it.
	Candace Owens is a perfect example of a compulsive liar.
	And it is why she cannot be taken seriously as a debate opponent or partner.
	Moving on, she continues to double down on it as she goes forward and gets past it.
	And this is not a person that made any noise about it, but this is what happened to them.
	So are we supposed to say, like, your experience is invalid and you're wrong?
	And actually, deep down, your child was already going to become autistic and live off of you for the rest of their life.
	He just didn't realize it, despite the overwhelming evidence in the videos that you're showing me that shows that they were progressing in a normal health pattern.
	That's what you're being asked to do, is to just see these people as liars and as anti-vaxxers.
	Jumps into the story of Andrew Wakefield because they kind of made him the face of the anti-vax movement because he published his paper and he established a causal link.
	He wasn't the only one.
	There have been many doctors that have tried to come out and speak and then get chased completely out of the big pharma community.
	Andrew Wakefield was chased out of the UK.
	He now lives in America.
	And here's what's really compelling.
	He still does the same work.
	He still makes the same claim.
	Despite losing his license to practice, despite being chased out of his home country, he is still working with people like RFK Jr., who we mentioned on last week's episode, is running as an independent for President of the United States and still making these claims.
	What would be the upside for a physician to be treated in this way?
	What would be the upside to say, I'm going to go against the entire medical establishment to say something that I believe to be true to risk my livelihood.
	Okay.
	Now we get into the first bit of long research that I had to do.
	All right.
	The upside for Andrew Wakefield was that he wanted to market his own vaccines.
	He made a claim based on 12 research subjects of study, and that was the size of his entire study.
	12 people.
	That's not big enough for any vaccine.
	It is not.
	It's not big enough for anything.
	He got it published and was working on putting out his own vaccines for MMR.
	Wakefield's story is an amazing workshop on why someone like him would do what he did.
	and the unfortunate impact his debunked work has had on both the feeble and desperate among us.
	To start with, I am providing an article in the link stack published by the British Medical Journal from 2011.
	It is called Secrets of the MMR Scare, and it is the first part of a series written by reporter Brian Deere about this entire thing.
	Brian Deere took seven years of his life to work on this and track it.
	Keep in mind that Candace's episode we are dissecting is from 2024.
	She had plenty of time to look into these specific questions that she raised about why a doctor would put their life and reputation on the line.
	Anyway, from the article, How the Case Against the MMR Vaccine Was Fixed, published in January 2011.
	The author's website, by the way, is briandeer.com.
	But anyway, and that is spelled as Endear the Animal.
	B-R-I-A-N-D-E-E-R.com.
	For the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deere exposes the bogus data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school.
	He goes on to say, when I broke the news to the father of child 11, at first he did not believe me.
	Quote, Wakefield told us my son was the 13th child they saw, he said, gazing for the first time at the now infamous research paper which linked a purported new syndrome with the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine.
	There's only 12 people in this.
	That paper was published in The Lancet on 28 February 1998.
	It was retracted on 2 February 2010.
	Authored by Andrew Wakefield, John Walker Smith, and 11 others from the Royal Free Medical School, London.
	It reported on 12 developmentally challenged children and triggered a decade-long public health scare.
	Quote, onset of behavioral symptoms was associated by the parents with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children, began the paper's findings.
	Adopting these claims as fact, its results section added, quote, in these eight children, the average interval from exposure to first behavioral symptoms was 6.3 days, end quote.
	Mr. 11, an American engineer, looked again at the paper, a five-page case series of 11 boys and one girl aged between three and nine years.
	Excuse me.
	Nine children, it said, had diagnoses of regressive autism, and all but one were reported with nonspecific colitis.
	The new syndrome brought these together, linking brain and bowel diseases, and his son was the penultimate case.
	Running his finger across the paper's tables over coffee in London, Mr. 11 seemed reassured by his anonymous son's age and other details.
	But then he pointed at table two, headed neuropsychiatric diagnosis, and for a second time he objected.
	That's not true.
	Child 11 was among the eight whose parents apparently blamed MMR.
	The interval between his vaccination and the first behavioral symptom was reported as one week.
	The symptom was said to have appeared at age 15 months, but his father, whom I had tracked down, said this was wrong.
	Quote, from the information you provided me on our son, who I was shocked to hear had been included in their published study, end quote, he wrote to me after we met again in California, quote, the data clearly appeared to be distorted, end quote.
	He backed his concerns with medical records, including a royal-free discharge summary.
	Although the family lived 5,000 miles from the hospital, in February 1997, the boy, then aged five, had been flown to London and admitted for Wakefield's project, the undisclosed goal of which was to help sue the vaccine's manufacturers.
	Unknown to Mr. 11, Wakefield was working on a lawsuit for which he sought a bowel brain syndrome as its centerpiece.
	Claiming an undisclosed 150 pounds or 180 pounds or 180 euros or 230 dollars an hour through a Norfolk solicitor named Richard Barr, Wakefield had been confidentially put on the payroll two years before the paper was published, eventually grossing him 4,300, I'm sorry, 400,030, right, let me say that right.
	Reading the British number always messes me up.
	Okay, 435,643 pounds plus expenses.
	Curiously, however, Wakefield had already identified such a syndrome before the project, which would reputedly discover it.
	Quote, children with enteritis/slash disintegrative disorder, an expression he used for bowel inflammation and regressive autism, these form part of a new syndrome, end quote.
	He and Barr Wakefield and Barr explained in a confidential grant application to the UK government's legal aid board before any of the children were investigated.
	Nonetheless, the evidence is undeniably in favor of a specific vaccine-induced pathology.
	End quote.
	The two men also aimed to show a sudden onset temporal association, strong evidence and product liability.
	Quote, Dr. Wakefield feels that if we can show a clear time link between the vaccination and onset of symptoms, Barr told the legal board, we should be able to dispose of the suggestion that it's simply a chance encounter.
	But Child 11's case must have proved a disappointment.
	Records show his behavioral symptoms started too soon.
	Quote, his developmental milestones were normal until 13 months of age, notes the discharge summary.
	In the panel, 13 to 18 months, he developed slow speech patterns and repetitive hand movements.
	Over this period, his parents remarked on his slow, gradual deterioration, end quote.
	That put the first symptom two months earlier than reported in the Lancet and a full month before the boy received the MMR vaccine.
	And this was not the only anomaly to catch his father's eye.
	What the paper reported as a behavioral symptom was noted in the records as a chest infection.
	Quote, please let me know if Andrew Wakefield has his doctor's license revoked, wrote Mr. 11, who is convinced that many vaccines and environmental pollutants may be responsible for childhood brain disorders.
	Quote, his misrepresentation of my son and his research paper is inexcusable.
	His motives for this, I may never know.
	End quote.
	The father need not have worried.
	My investigation of the MMR issue exposed the frauds behind Wakefield's research.
	Triggering the longest ever UK General Medical Counsel fitness to practice hearing and forcing the Lancet to retract the paper.
	Last May it led to Wakefield and Walker Smith being struck off the medical register altogether.
	Wakefield, now 54, who called no witnesses, was branded dishonest, unethical, and callous.
	Walker Smith, now 74, the senior clinician in the project, was found to have presided over high-risk research without any clinical indication or ethical approval.
	The developmentally challenged children of often vulnerable parents were discovered to have been treated like the doctor's guinea pigs.
	But Mr. 11 was not the first parent with the child in the study whom I interviewed during my inquiries.
	That was Mrs. Tu, the first of the parents to approach Wakefield.
	She was sent to him by an anti-vaccine campaign called JABS or JABS.
	Jibs.
	Jabs.
	Jibs.
	Not to be confused with Jeb.
	Yeah, no, fuck both of them.
	Anti-vax jabs and Jeb.
	Yeah, fuck you, Jeb Bush.
	Her son had regressive autism, long-standing problems with diarrhea, and was the prime example of the purported bowel and brain syndrome, still unsubstantiated 14 years later.
	This boy would appear in countless media reports and was one of the four best cases in Barr's lawsuit.
	I traveled to the family home, 80 miles northeast of London, to hear about child 2 from his mother.
	That was in September of 2003, when the lawsuit fell apart after counsel representing 1,500 families said that on the evidence, Barr's autism claims would fail.
	By that time, Mrs. Tu had seen her son's medical records and expert reports written for her case at trial.
	Her concerns about MMR had been noted by her general practitioner when her son was six years old.
	But she told me the boy's troubles began after his vaccination, which he received at 15 months.
	He'd scream all night and he started headbanging, which he'd never done before, she explained.
	When did that begin, do you think?
	I asked.
	That began after a couple of months, a few months afterward, but it was still, it was concerning me enough.
	I remember going back.
	I'm sorry, I don't want to be like massively pernickety, but was it a few months or a couple of months?
	Oh, well, it was more like a few months because he'd had this kind of, you know, slide down.
	He wasn't right.
	He wasn't right before he started.
	Okay, so not quicker than two months, but not longer than how many months.
	What are we talking about here?
	Oh, from memory, about six months, I think.
	The next day, she complained to my editors.
	She said my methods, quote, seemed more akin to the gutter press, end quote.
	But I was perplexed by her story since there was no case in the Lancet that matched her careful account.
	According to the paper, child number two had his first behavioral symptom two weeks, not six months after MMR.
	This was derived from a royal-free history, citing headbanging and screaming as the start, taken by Mark Berelowitz, a child psychiatrist and a co-author of the paper.
	He saw Mrs. Tu during the boy's admission at age eight after she had discussed her son's story with Wakefield.
	As I later discovered, each family in the project was involved in such discussions before they saw the hospital's clinicians, as Wakefield phoned them at home and must have at least suggestively questioned them, potentially impacting on later history taking.
	But I knew little of such things then and shared my confusion with Walker Smith, whom I met shortly after Mrs. Tu quote, there is no case in the paper that is consistent with the case history Mrs. Tu has given me, I told him.
	There just isn't one.
	Quote, well, that could be true, the former professor of pediatric gastroenterology replied disarmingly.
	He knew the case well, having admitted the boy for the project and written reports for Barr, who paid him £23,000.
	God damn.
	Yeah.
	Well, quote, well, so either what she is telling me is not accurate or the paper is not accurate, end quote.
	Quote from Walker Smith, Well, I can't really comment, he said.
	Quote, you really touch on an area which I don't think should be debated like this, and I think these parents are wrong to discuss such details, where you could be put in a position of having a lot of medical details and then try to match it with this because it is a confidential matter, end quote.
	It was not merely medically confidential, it was also legally protected, a double screen against public scrutiny.
	But responding to my first MMR reports in the Sunday Times in February of 2004, the GMC decided to investigate the cases and requisition the children's records.
	The regulator's main focus was whether the research was ethical.
	Mine was whether it was true.
	So as a five-member disciplinary panel trawled through the records with five Queen's counsel and three defendant doctors, I compared them with what was published in the journal.
	The paper gave the impression that the authors had been scrupulous in documenting the patient's cases.
	Quote, children underwent gastroenterological, neurological, and developmental assessment and review of developmental records, it explained, specifying that diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders 4 criteria were used for neuropsychiatric diagnoses.
	Quote, developmental histories included a review of prospective developmental records from parents, health visitors, and general practitioners, end quote.
	But when the details were dissected before the GMC panel, multiple discrepancies emerged.
	A syndrome necessarily requires at least some consistency.
	But as the records were laid out, Wakefield's case crumbled.
	The first to crack was regressive autism, the bedrock of his allegations.
	Bear in mind that we are dealing with regressive autism in these children, not of classical autism where the child is not right from the beginning, he later explained.
	For example, to a United States congressional committee, but only one child, child number two, clearly had regressive autism.
	Three of the nine so described clearly did not.
	None of these three even had autism diagnoses, either at admission or on discharge from Royal Free Hospital.
	Damn.
	The paper did not reveal that two of this trio were brothers living 60 miles south of the hospital.
	Both of them had histories of fits and bowel problems recorded before their MMR vaccinations.
	The elder child, six, aged four years at admission, had Asperger's syndrome, which is distinct from autism under DSM-4, is not regressive, and was confirmed on discharge.
	His brother, child number seven, was admitted at nearly three years of age without a diagnosis, and a post-discharge letter from senior pediatric registrar and Lancet co-author David Casson summarized, quote, he is not thought to have features of autism.
	End quote, from the paper.
	The third in the trio, child 12, was enrolled on the advice of the brother's mother, reported in media to be a JABS activist, and who had herself, quote, only relatively recently, end quote, blamed the vaccine.
	Child 12 was aged six at admission and had previously been assessed for possible Asperger's syndrome at Guy's Hospital, London, by a renowned developmental pediatrician.
	She diagnosed, quote, an impairment in respect of language, end quote, an opinion left undisturbed by Borrelowitz.
	Mrs. 12 was a GMC witness at its mammoth hearing, which between July 2007 and May 2010 ran for 217 days.
	Christ.
	She explained that the brother's mother had made her suspicious of MMR and had given her Barr's and Wakefield's names.
	Mrs. 12 then approached them and filed a statement for legal aid before her son was referred.
	Quote, it was like a jigsaw puzzle.
	It suddenly seemed to fit into place, end quote, she told the panel, describing how she concluded four years after the boy was vaccinated that MMR was to blame for his problems.
	Quote, I had this perfectly normal child who, as I could see for no apparent reason, started to not be normal, end quote.
	The 12 children were admitted between July 1996 and February 1997, and others had connections not revealed in the paper, almost as striking as the trios.
	The parents of child 9 and child 10 were contacts of Mrs. 12, who ran a group that campaigned against MMR.
	And child 4 and child 8 were admitted without outpatient appointments for ileocolonoscopy and other invasive procedures from one Tyneside general practice, 280 miles from the Royal Free after advice from anti-MMR campaigners.
	Both child 4 and child 8 were among the eight whose parents were reported to have blamed the vaccine.
	But although the paper specified that all 12 children were, quote, previously normal, end quote, both had developmental dislays and also facial dysmorphisms noted before MMR vaccination.
	In the case of child 4, who received the vaccine at age 4 years, Wakefield played down problems, suggesting that early issues had resolved.
	Child 4 was kept under review for the first year of life because of wide bridging of the nose, he reported in the paper.
	He was discharged from follow-up as developmentally normal at age one year, end quote.
	But medical records presented by the GMC give a different picture for this child.
	Reports from his pre-MMR years were peppered with, quote, concerns over his head and appearance, a recurrent diarrhea, developmental delay, general delay, and restricted vocabulary.
	End quote.
	And although before his referral to Wakefield, his mother had inquired about vaccine damage compensation.
	His files include a report of a, quote, very small deletion within the fragile X gene and a note of the mother's view that her concerns about his development had begun when he was 18 months old.
	Quote, in general, his mother thinks he developed normally initially and subsequently his problems worsened and he lost some of his milestones, but he subsequently improved on a restrictive exclusion diet, end quote, wrote his general practitioner, William Tapsfield, referring to the boy then age nine after a phone conversation with Wakefield.
	Quote, the professionals who have known child 4 since birth don't entirely agree with this, however, and there is a suggestion that some of his problems may have started before vaccination, end quote.
	Similarly, with child eight, who was also described in the Lancet as having overcome problems recorded before vaccination, quote, the only girl was noted to be a slow developer compared with her older sister, end quote, the paper said.
	Quote, she was subsequently found to have co-arctation of the aorta.
	After surgical repair of the aorta at the age of 14 months, she progressed rapidly and learnt to talk.
	Speech was lost later.
	End quote.
	But Wakefield was not a pediatrician.
	He was a former trainee gastrointestinal surgeon with a non-clinical medical school contract.
	And his interpretation differed from that of local consultants, including a developmental pediatrician and a geneticist who had successfully looked after the girl.
	Her doctors put the co-arctation of her heart side by side with the delay in dysmorphism and noted of her vocabulary that before MMR at 18 months, she vocalized only two or three words.
	Child 8's mother has been to see me, quote, child 8's mother has been to see me and said you need a referral letter from me in order to accept child 8 into your investigation program.
	End quote, the general practitioner Diana Jelly wrote to Wakefield at referral when the girl was aged three and a half years.
	Quote, I would simply reiterate that both the hospital and members of the primary care team involved with child eight had significant concerns about her development some months before she had her MMR.
	The girl's general practice notes also provide insight into the background to the 12 children's referrals.
	After persons unknown told Mrs. 8 that her daughter may have inflammatory bowel disease, Dr. Jelly wrote, quote, mum taking her to Dr. Wakefield, Royal Free Hospital for CT scans slash gut biopsies, question mark Crohn's, will need referral letter.
	Dr. W to phone me, funded through legal aid, end quote.
	The remaining five children served Wakefield's claims no better.
	There was still no convincing MMR syndrome.
	Child one, aged three years when he was referred to London, lived 100 miles from the Royal Free and had an older brother who was diagnosed as Autistic.
	Child 1's recorded story began when he was aged 19 months with a new patient note by general practitioner Andrea Barrow.
	One of the mother's concerns was that he could not hear properly, which might sound like a hallmark presentation of classical autism, the emergence of which is often insidious.
	Indeed, a Royal Free History by neurologist and co-author Peter Harvey noted normal milestones until 18 months or so.
	Child 1 was vaccinated at 12 months of age, however.
	Thus, neither 9 nor 18 months helped Wakefield's case.
	But in the Lancet, the first behavioral symptom was reported one week after the injection, holding the evidence for the lawsuit on track.
	Step one to achieve this?
	Two and a half years after the child was vaccinated, Walker Smith took an outpatient history.
	Although the mother apparently had no worries following her son's vaccination, the professor elicited that the boy was pale seven to ten days after the shot.
	He also elicited that the child possibly had a fever and may have been delirious as well as pale.
	Quote, it's difficult to associate a clear historical link with the MMR and the answer to autism.
	Walker Smith wrote to the general practitioner in a similar letter to Wakefield, quote, although Mrs. One does believe that child one had an illness seven to ten days after MMR when he was pale, fever, delirious, but wasn't actually seen by a doctor, end quote.
	Step two, for the Lancet, Wakefield dropped the question marks in the original thing, turning Walker Smith's queries into assertions.
	And although royal-free admission and discharge records refer to classical autism, step three, the former surgeon reported delirium as the first behavioral symptoms of regressive autism with step four, a time to onset of seven days.
	So here, behind the paper, is how Wakefield evidenced his syndrome for the lawsuit and built his platform to launch the vaccine scare.
	Quote, it is significant that this syndrome only appears with the introduction of the polyvalent MMR vaccine in 1988 rather than with the monovalent measles vaccine introduced in 1968.
	End quote, he claimed in one of a string of patents he filed for businesses to be spun from the research.
	This quote, this indicates that MMR is responsible for this condition rather than just the measles virus.
	End quote.
	Three of the four remaining children were seen in outpatients on the same day in November 1996.
	None of their families were reported in the paper as blaming the vaccine.
	Child 5 from Berkshire, aged 7 at admission, had received MMR at 16 months.
	The paper reported concerns at 18 months, but the medical records noted fits and parental worries at 11 months.
	Child 9, age 6 from Jersey, also had MMR at 16 months.
	His mother dated problems from 18 to 20 months.
	Child 10, aged 4 from South Wales, contracted a viral infection, which was suspected by parents and doctors to have caused his disorder four months after his vaccination.
	Quote, behavioral changes included repetitive behavior, disinterest in play, or headbanging, end quote, said a question and answer statement issued by the medical school concerning the Lancet 12 on the day of the paper's publication.
	Another discrepancy to emerge during the GMC hearing concerned the number of families who blamed MMR.
	The paper said that eight, numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, and 11 of the children of the children's parents linked developmental issues with the vaccine.
	But the total in the records was actually 11.
	The parents of child 5, 9, and 12 were also noted at the hospital as blaming the vaccine, but their stated beliefs were omitted from the journal.
	The frequency of these beliefs should not have surprised Wakefield, retained as he was to support a lawsuit.
	In the month that Barr engaged him, two years before the paper was published, the lawyer touted the doctor in a confidential newsletter to his MMR clients and contacts.
	Quote, he has deeply depressing views about the effect of vaccine on the nation's children, Barr said.
	Quote, he is also anxious to arrange for tests to be carried out on any children who are showing symptoms of possible Crohn's disease.
	The following are signs to look for.
	If your child has suffered from all or any of these symptoms, could you please contact us and it may be appropriate to put you in touch with Dr. Wakefield, end quote.
	The listed symptoms included pain, weight loss, fever, and mouth ulcers.
	Clients and contacts were quickly referred.
	Thus, an association between autism, digestive issues, and worries about MMR, the evidence that launched the vaccine scare, was bound to be found by the Royal Freeze clinicians because this was how the children were selected.
	Moreover, through the omission from the paper of some parents' beliefs that the vaccine was to blame, the time link for the lawsuit sharpened.
	With concerns logged from 11 of 12 families, the maximum time given to the onset of alleged symptoms was a forensically unhelpful four months.
	But in a version of the paper circulated at the Royal Free six months before publication, reported concerns fell to nine of 12 families, but with a still unhelpful maximum of 56 days.
	Finally, Wakefield settled on eight of 12 families with a maximum interval to alleged symptoms of 14 days.
	Between the latter two versions, revisions also slashed the mean time to alleged symptoms from 14 days to 6.3 days.
	Quote, in these children, the mean interval from exposure to the MMR vaccine to the development of the first behavioral symptom was six days, indicating a strong temporal association, end quote.
	He emphasized in a patent for, among other things, his own prophylactic measles vaccine eight months before the Lancet paper was published.
	This leaves child number three.
	He was six and a half and lived on Mercy Side, 200 miles from the hospital.
	He received MMR at 14 months, with the first concerns recorded in the general practitioner's notes 15 months after that.
	His mother, who four years later contacted Wakefield on the advice of JABS, told me that her son had become aggressive towards a brother, and records say that his vocabulary had not developed.
	Quote, we both felt that the MMR needle had made child 3 go the way he is today, end quote, the parents wrote to a local pediatric neurologist, Lewis Rosenblum, 18 months after their son's referral to London.
	They told him they wanted justice from the vaccine manufacturer and that they had been turned down for legal aid.
	Quote, although it is said that the MMR has never been proven to make children be autistic, we believe that the injection has made child 3 to be mentally delayed, which in turn may have triggered off the autism.
	I visited his family twice.
	Their affected son was now a teenager and a challenge both to himself and to others.
	His mother said his diagnosis was originally, quote, severe learning difficulties with autistic tendencies, end quote, but that she had fought to get it changed to autism.
	As for a connection with MMR, there was only suspicion.
	I do not think the family was sure one way or the other.
	When I asked why they took him to the Royal Free, his father replied, quote, we were just vulnerable.
	We were looking for answers, end quote.
	What was unquestionably true was that child three had serious bowel trouble, intractable, lifelong constipation.
	This was the most consistent feature among the 12 children's symptoms and signs, but being the opposite of an expected finding in inflammatory bowel disease, it was nowhere mentioned in the paper.
	This young man's was so severe that he was dosed at his special school, his mother said, with up to five packets of laxative a day.
	Christ.
	Quote, you always knew when his stomach was hard, she told me, in terms echoed over the years by many parents involved with Wakefield.
	Quote, he would start headbutting, kicking, breaking anything in the house, then he would go to the toilet and release it, end quote.
	For the Royal Free team, however, when reporting on these patients, such motility issues were sidelined in the hunt for Wakefield's syndromes.
	In almost all the children, they noted commonly swollen glands in the terminal ileum and what was reported as, quote, nonspecific colitis, end quote.
	In fact, as I revealed in the British Medical Journal last April, the hospital's pathology service found the children's colons to be largely normal, but a medical school review changed the results.
	In this evolution of the gut pathology noted in the records to what was published in the paper, Child 3's case is a prime example.
	After ileocolonoscopy, which GMC prosecution and defense experts agreed was not clearly in, was not clinically indicated, the hospital's pathologists found all colonic samples to be, quote, within normal histological limits, end quote.
	But three months after the boy was discharged, Walker Smith recalled the records and changed the diagnosis to indeterminate ileocolitis.
	End quote.
	Quote, again, I think sadly, this was the first child who was referred, and the long-term help we were able to give in terms of dealing with constipation was not there, end quote, he told the GMC panel.
	Quote, however, we had excluded Crohn's disease and we had done our best to try and help this child, but in the end, we did not, end quote.
	So that is the Lancet 12, the foundation of the vaccine scare.
	No case was free of misreporting or alteration.
	Taken together, NHS records cannot be reconciled with what was published to such devastating effect in the journal.
	Wakefield, however, denies wrongdoing in any respect whatsoever.
	He says he never claimed that the children had regressive autism, nor that he said they were previously normal.
	He never misreported or changed any findings in the study and never patented a measles vaccine.
	None of the children were Barr's clients before referral to the hospital, and he never received huge payments from the lawyer.
	There were no conflicts of interest.
	He is the victim of a conspiracy.
	He never linked autism with MMR.
	Of course.
	Totally.
	Yeah, yeah, definitely.
	Right.
	Quote: Mr. Brian Deere's implications of fraud against me are claims that a trained physician and researcher of good standing had suddenly decided he was going to fake data for his own enrichment, he said in a now abandoned complaint against me to the UK Press Complaints Commission.
	Quote, the other authors generated and prepared all the data that was reported in the Lancet.
	I merely put their completed data in tables and narrative form for the purpose of submission for publication, end quote.
	But despite signing up to claim credit for a paper in The Lancet, his co-authors Walker Smith and Murch did not even know which case was which.
	Walker Smith said he trusted Wakefield.
	When I signed that paper, I signed with good intent, he told the GMC panel, denying any wrongdoing.
	He argued that the published report was not even about MMR, but merely described a new clinico-pathological entity.
	He said that the admissions to the Royal Free were entirely related to gastroenterological illness and how the children were sourced was irrelevant and immaterial.
	His lawyers said that he was appealing against the panel's decision and on these grounds, they had advised him not to respond to my questions.
	The journal, The Lancet, meanwhile took 12 years to retract the paper, by which time its mischief had been exported.
	As parents' confidence slowly returned in Britain, the scare took off around the world, unleashing fear, guilt, and infectious diseases and fueling suspicion of vaccines in general.
	In addition to measles outbreaks, other infections are resurgent, with Mr. 11's home state of California last summer seeing 10 babies dead from whooping cough in the worst outbreak since 1958.
	Wakefield, nevertheless, now apparently self-employed and professionally ruined, remains championed by a sad rump of disciples.
	Quote, Dr. Wakefield is a hero, end quote, is how one mother caught their mood in a recent Dateline NBC TV investigation featuring the story of the doctor and me.
	Quote, I don't know where we would be without him, end quote.
	The Lancet paper was a series of 12 child patients, was a case series of 12 child patients.
	It reported a proposed new syndrome of enterocolitis and regressive autism and associated this with MMR as an, quote, apparent precipitating event, end quote.
	But in fact, three of nine children reported with regressive autism did not have autism diagnosed at all.
	Only one child clearly had regressive autism.
	Despite the paper claiming that all 12 children were previously normal, five had documented pre-existing developmental concerns.
	Some children were reported to have experienced first behavioral symptoms within days of MMR, but the records documented these as starting months after vaccination.
	In nine cases, unremarkable colonic histopathology results, noting no or minimal fluctuations in inflammatory cell populations, were changed after a medical school research review to nonspecific colitis.
	The parents of eight children were reported as blaming MMR, but 11 families made this allegation at the hospital.
	The exclusion of three allegations, all giving times to onset of problems in months, helped to create the appearance of a 14-day temporal link.
	Patients were recruited through anti-MMR campaigners, and the study was commissioned and funded for planned litigation.
	So that is the villain in the tale.
	A grifter hell-bent on making money and being applauded as a hero because what he said reflected the words of other grifters and their audiences.
	Candace will continue to reference disgraced former Dr. Andrew Wakefield throughout this episode.
	I just wanted everyone to have a good handle on who and what he is and was moving forward.
	I cannot tell you how fucking enraged I was before I copied and pasted that entire thing into the script because, oh my God, like it got so much worse than I was even aware.
	And I was already aware of a lot of this shit.
	Behind the bastards covered Andrew Wakefield at some point.
	So I was already like on board with, yeah, this guy's an asshole and I kind of have a good idea why to what a fucking bastard.
	Yeah.
	That's fucking.
	They said that the autism symptoms happened 6.3 days after MMR vaccines.
	Whereas as I just read there, several of the patients had problems months before they were vaccinated.
	Other patients didn't show with problems until months after no one was in the 6 to 14 day range.
	No.
	Not a single one.
	And a lot of them weren't even, didn't even fit the marks for autism diagnoses.
	You know, and all of that being said, Asperger's was a symptom, was a diagnosis up until the last couple of years with the DMs, with the DSM-5, I believe.
	Yeah.
	Asperger's diagnosis went away because the doctor it's named after was a fucking Nazi.
	Fair enough.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So history moving forward as it does, we want to delete his name.
	Yeah.
	And now, you know, what we have been, you know, what we, me and you and everyone in this fucking house, have been diagnosed as Asperger's were now high-functioning autism.
	Yeah.
	Which, you know, fits the bill.
	Reeshen year got renamed to low maintenance.
	Yeah.
	High-functioning, low maintenance.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, like all of the all of the traits are there.
	Yeah.
	My God, I needed water after all of that.
	Yeah.
	What do I got to get three bottles?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I have one down here.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, that was.
	Piece of pepperoni.
	Yeah, we have Costco Pizza here with us tonight.
	We're trying to enjoy between clips.
	He has, of course, way more time to be able to enjoy the pizza than I do, but such is the nature of this show.
	Oh my God.
	Like, I wasn't sure when that was going to end until I saw, like, I got out of the bold writing that it is, and I got to, like, my stuff.
	And I was like, oh, good, it's me again.
	But yeah, Andrew Wakefield was the reason why he would stake his name on this shit is because he never thought he'd be found out.
	Neither him nor the other 11 people that were involved ever thought they would be found out.
	They were planning to wreck the MMR vaccine in the British medical system and sell them their own.
	The reason why he took that risk is because if he was part of a company that was going to sell the British medical system, the NHS that is in several countries, not just Britain, he was going to sell them a new vaccine.
	Yeah, that's a lot of fucking money.
	This guy wanted to be big pharma so bad he could fucking taste it.
	Yeah.
	And he fucked up.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, the whole thing was fucked up.
	You know, and the fact that they only use 12 patients at all, like the Lancet should have never published that shit.
	No.
	Like, they should have never published that shit.
	They should have looked at it and said, you have 12 patients?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Fuck off.
	Come back when you've got an actual like caseload.
	Yeah.
	And instead, what this has done is spark off so much of this anti-back shit.
	So, listeners, if anyone ever tells you about Andrew Wakefield's study, I guarantee you they didn't read it.
	And I guarantee you, any parts that they read were misquoted or they didn't look into it as much as Brian Deere did.
	So you can go to the BriandDeere.com website or you can pull it from the link stack in here.
	I don't give a flying fuck, but pushback on this shit.
	Make his name fucking revived.
	By the way, Andrew Wakefield operates out of a clinic in Arizona.
	Damn, he really moved far away.
	He did.
	Fuck that guy.
	Anyway.
	Arizona.
	Yeah.
	Why Arizona?
	Because it's MAGA Central in Arizona.
	Fair enough.
	When MAGAs move from like New York or New Jersey or wherever and Florida, it's too fucking humid.
	If they want more fucking arid, they go to Arizona.
	Fair enough.
	The only reason I could understand anyone going, I'm going to retire in Arizona, the only reason that I know of is, and I don't remember the name of this company, but I'm sure they're easy to look up.
	There's a company based in Phoenix, I believe, either Phoenix or Tucson, Arizona.
	What we do in the Shadows people will get that.
	It took me a second.
	I'm like, you just fixed me with a look that I should know what you just said.
	It took me a second to famous Jackie Daytona, human bartender, works in Tucson, Arizona.
	Everyone knows this.
	So moving on from that.
	Yeah, in Arizona, there's a company that I know of.
	They've got some sort of weird name called CryoLife or some shit like that.
	Now, they will collect what they need if you die anywhere and the conditions are right.
	But they prefer people to be close to them for this reason.
	You basically sign away your life insurance policy to them or pay them a certain amount of money.
	I don't know what it is now.
	I know what it used to be years ago when I looked into this.
	And what they do is they will either preserve your brain or they will preserve your brain and spinal cord.
	Okay.
	Now, the fees are different, but they're actually really low.
	I want to say the brain preservation, whole brain preservation is $10,000.
	Spinal cord preservation as of like 10, 15 years ago was like $50,000.
	But keep in mind, they're keeping these parts on ice.
	Yeah.
	You're basically paying for refrigeration.
	Now, the thing is, they offer this as a service, of course, to put into a body down the line when medical science has figured that shit out.
	Okay.
	So they're running on hope fumes.
	They're running on a lot of hopium.
	You know.
	Hopium.
	Yeah, I can't take credit for that word, but I love it.
	So they're running on a lot of hopium, you know, that like that medical science, especially, you know, if you have a brain or in my case, you know, a spinal problem, the medical science will be able to fix you up with like a robot body or a, you know, a flesh bag, you know, down the line.
	Preferably not a bag of flesh scientists.
	An actual like.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You're telling me you wouldn't want to be an ooze?
	I mean, okay, if you put it as an ooze, then maybe, but, but not, but not like a sack, you know.
	Oh, come on.
	It'd be great to see, like, you know, a sack of flesh just like bouncing down the desert.
	It's come out of the cryo-life facility and it's seeing life in the year 2035 for the first time.
	You know, just the hairier the better.
	So it's just ball sacks dancing across, you know, the great desert plains.
	Like, you know.
	Just a herd of them.
	Just so many.
	So many of the people think it's an AI video.
	You know, they're watching in real time with their own eyes.
	And they're like, where's the Sora Link?
	They're all wearing the fucking meta glasses.
	I don't see a great future for us.
	It's what I'm saying here.
	You know, metaglasses would be great if they weren't so fucking like obviously meta glasses.
	Yeah, they are.
	You can't tell me that in this day and age of compact tech, they can't make me a pair of prescription glasses that look like the pair that I currently have.
	Oh, yeah, no.
	But Meta and Ray-Ban, they do have several different frames for them.
	Yeah.
	Like Target sells.
	Target will sell you the frames and electronics, and then you go over to Target Obstacle and they hook you up the rest of the way.
	You know, this sounds like some cyberpunk 2077 bullshit where I got to go kill a motherfucker, rip out his cyber deck, and then go to a goddamn ripper doc and have him hook me up.
	I mean, kind of.
	Yeah.
	That they're not installing it, but, you know, you're looking through Zuck's eyes.
	Zuck takes your eyes.
	Yeah, it's dystopian as shit.
	That man at least doesn't look like a lizard no more.
	Well, because he grew out his hair like 1990s Justin Timberlake.
	Yeah.
	No, he doesn't get a pass.
	No.
	Timberlake didn't get a pass back then.
	What's funny is, okay, so in the 90s, right, I had heard like in the 90s going into the 2000s that one of the members of NSYNC was gay, and I didn't really care.
	I was like, okay, well, you know, whatever.
	There's like five dudes in any group of five guys.
	I've always known at least one of them to come out at some point if they were all tight.
	You know?
	Sometimes two of them are a couple, it turns out.
	And the other three are like, all right, well, that makes sense.
	They were always hanging out together apart from the rest of us.
	So the three of us are the third wheels in their relationship.
	You know, that's kind of how I knew groups of my friends growing up.
	But anyway, so yeah, I always thought Justin Timberlake would be the one.
	I guess because he was like the youngest.
	I just assumed the most boyish looking one would be, and then it turned out to be Lance Bass.
	I was like, huh, I didn't see that coming.
	But then, you know, you see pictures of him after he's out and it's like, oh, okay, I get it now.
	Why didn't I see it before?
	And then you go back and watch old NSYNC videos and that bumps up their numbers on YouTube.
	And no one should do that.
	No one should do that.
	I do appreciate, though, that Joey Fatone really took his last name to the height that he could.
	I think he's got a line of products called Fat Ones.
	Like, huh.
	I mean.
	Yeah.
	If you're going to take your last name anywhere.
	Yeah, it's just.
	It's like, okay.
	Well, people had been ridiculing him about his last name for a long time.
	Yeah.
	So he just learned how to own it.
	Yeah.
	Own the haters.
	It's a good lesson.
	So let's get back into the S. Yep.
	Hold on.
	Okay, he has to use the restroom.
	So we're going to pause this real quick.
	Okay, so here's the next clip.
	Went to school to become a physician.
	Well, what they're positing in that segment is because he just wanted to mine the emotions of a bunch of parents that were confused about what happened.
	The parents can't possibly understand how their children were developing without us telling them this.
	And so he's stepping in and giving them an answer because they don't understand.
	But the parents are telling you they do understand what happened to their children.
	You're choosing not to listen to these parents.
	For those of you that are watching this, and some of you I know are pregnant and expecting your first child, but some of you have children.
	You know how your children are developing.
	My child is two years old.
	He has an entire personality.
	This morning he told me, Mommy, I am the boss.
	He's not the boss, but he believes he is the boss this week because he's heard me say, daddy's the boss.
	You have to listen to daddy.
	So now when he wakes up, he tells me that he is the boss.
	He bosses around his little sister.
	He walks with his hands behind his back.
	He's super militant.
	He likes to, you know, drive the cars, you know, sit on daddy's lap.
	He wants to park the cars.
	If you are going to tell me that at the age of two years old, I am having these conversations with my child.
	And if I had walked in to a pediatrician and you gave him a shot and suddenly he was no longer able to communicate with me.
	He was no longer able to walk in the same capacity for the rest of his life.
	I mean, even saying this in the air makes me so angry to even picture this happening, right?
	For the rest of his life, he was never going to be able to lead an independent life.
	Only for a doctor and the medical establishment to look at me smug in the face and tell me that I don't know what the hell I am talking about, right?
	That this is just how my child was born.
	It was going to happen inevitably.
	It had nothing to do with what they injected into him that day.
	I would probably turn into a dragon.
	That's what I think I would do.
	I think I would turn into a dragon and I would be standing on buildings trying to burn the entire medical establishment down.
	How dare these people develop the audacity to look parents in the face and to gaslight them this extreme to try to hang the entire hat of millions of people that have come out and said that their children are having reactions to hang it or on one man in an article.
	Oh, yeah, these parents are just confused.
	They don't know their own children.
	How could they possibly know their own children?
	What are you saying to parents?
	And I know you guys are having an emotional response to what I'm saying because you are raising children.
	You know how well you know your children.
	You don't need to wait for them to be two and three to develop their personalities.
	Those personalities start showing right away.
	My one-year-old daughter has a whole personality and whole attitude that is different.
	She's with her speaking already, you know, telling her brother no, telling us what she wants to eat in the morning.
	It is just to me unfathomable that these children get injured and then these parents get gaslit and they sit here and they cry and they tell their stories.
	And at the end of sitting down after 60 minutes, they go, oh, well, the medical assault says that there is no causal link between this and that.
	So mommy's just crazy.
	Mommy's just bored.
	Horrific should never happen within the medical field.
	And it did not happen that way.
	No.
	As it has been, as the article you just read off states.
	In this case, Candace is well aware that her paypegs would probably never take the tiny step that I took to find conflicting information with her claims.
	She is making these videos at this time to appeal to the emotional center of her audience and the people that they will show them to, because the fans will share these videos in person with people they know if they can't just clip it and send it to them electronically.
	Using the further trigger of people being dismissed by doctors when they have very real problems that should be addressed, she gets to push this massive mistruth on the audience.
	I am not saying that doctors or the medical field are perfect because nothing is perfect.
	But a lot of people in medicine try to get it right more than the opposite.
	As we go forward, Candace asks another question that has been asked on repeat and continues to be answered easily.
	Now, I want to move on and keep going to talk about just first and foremost the question that nobody's asking.
	Why are autism rates continually rising every single year?
	I want you to take a look at this chart, okay?
	This is a chart that is on the Autism and Development Disabilities Monitoring Network.
	It completely reflects the CDC, which has been tracking the data of how many people, how many children are being diagnosed with autism.
	You can see they start charting in 1970, where one in 10,000 were being diagnosed with autism.
	Jumping over to 1995, one and 1,000 began charting with autism.
	We have talked often about the explosion of vaccines once they decided to remove manufacturers from the liability.
	That explosion that happened in the 1990s.
	Now, all of a sudden, these autism numbers are getting insane.
	You've got within that period from 1995 to 1999, suddenly it's been doubled.
	One in 500 children are being diagnosed.
	Let's keep up the chart to today.
	According to the CDC in 2023, now one in 36 children is being diagnosed with autism.
	Their answer: well, they don't really have one.
	What they say, this is what they will tell you, is that they've just gotten better at diagnosing it.
	That there were already this many autistic children, but now they're really just able to better diagnose it.
	So, guess what?
	It's actually unbelievably a credit to big pharma that autism rates have gone from one in 10,000 to 1 in 36.
	And this feels like I'm in men in black, like somebody is holding up the thing and just trying to wipe our memory and make us believe that we had this many autistic people when we were growing up in school.
	We didn't.
	We didn't.
	And it wasn't because of diagnostic incapabilities.
	I think I would remember if I was in classrooms and going through high school and going through middle school with a bunch of kids who couldn't speak, with a bunch of kids who were stemming, who were licking their hands, who were doing weird behavioral things, right?
	I think that we would all kind of remember these sorts of things.
	And now, everybody knows somebody who has autism.
	In fact, you might recall, if you follow me on Instagram, a few weeks ago, I had posted something and I had said, you know, my sister, who I begged not to get the MMR vaccine, who I begged not to do the one-year-old shots and who went through with it on her first child, suddenly started noticing some very weird behavioral things.
	And she is convinced.
	And now he is getting tested for autism.
	And we are pretty confident that that test is going to come back positive because he started stemming.
	He has very weird association with textures.
	He's very weird about eating foods.
	And he licks his hand profusely.
	And I'm sharing this because she was comfortable with me sharing this on Instagram.
	And this is part of the reason why she made the decision not to vax her second child because she is realizing how little she knew about the medical establishment.
	And when I had said this to her initially with her first child, she thought I was being crazy for not vaccinating.
	And now she is seeing these remarkable differences between her children, and which we're, you know, pretty convinced he's got a mild form of autism.
	And, you know, she is blessed in that it is a mild form, that we could probably get him into some classes and work on these things.
	And intervention is always better when they're young.
	We have talked about putting him on a heavy metal detox.
	I've shared.
	It's your one-way ticket to midnight, Candace, and we call it heavy metal.
	Okay, so if anyone got that reference, bravo.
	For the rest of you, I don't want to explain it.
	It does slightly.
	I know it was just a little minor speech thing, but when she almost said autism, I was going to belt out if she'd stuck with autism.
	It's just a phase, mom.
	Because all that came to mind is walking up to some of my co-workers who are very much of the alt crowd and just going.
	So, how do parents handle the autism diagnosis?
	I still might.
	They might enjoy the joke, but still.
	Right.
	I ain't go for it.
	Anyway, I decided to cut her off there because there is a lot to go over.
	Not the least of which is the whole heavy metal detox thing.
	But from the top, as has been noted in countless articles and interviews, autism rates have not increased.
	And yes, we have gotten better at detecting it and getting kids and adults the attention they need to manage their place in the spectrum.
	For a long time, only the most extreme cases were diagnosed.
	And so that was the frame of reference most people had if they knew anything about autism at all.
	But as we have said here many times, everyone in our little family is on the spectrum.
	We all had to learn to live with who we are without diagnosis for most of our lives until I looked into our exact differences several years ago.
	I got diagnosed with Asperger's initially, and that particular diagnosis has been dropped off due to associations with Nazism.
	But those of us with that initial diagnosis were simply folded into the end of the spectrum.
	I lost my place here.
	There we go.
	As mostly manageable.
	Textures, lights, sounds all matter on this end of it.
	Of course, but we seem to deal better with it.
	That all said, raising the kids was easier for us than my peers who had usually normal non-spectrum kids.
	Ours were more like mirrors of us and were just easy to race.
	I never tried to over-parent or anything, just handled life as it came, did my best to teach them how to deal too.
	I've always considered myself lucky that my life went the way it did as I was growing up, as even the hard shit was a lesson.
	And I did my best to keep my kids from having to learn shit the hard way.
	I didn't even know I was on the spectrum until they were nearly adults, but once I did and I looked more into it, everything kind of clicked.
	Got them tested, their mother as well, and we're all on the spectrum.
	We have realized over time that we tend to get along with our own better than others.
	And maybe that is a sort of tribalism that can't be easily explained.
	But I try to manage myself, as we all do, around normal people.
	You know, try not to overexplain shit, understand that our deep dives into niche subjects aren't shared by others, and try to keep in mind that normal people literally don't always think the same way, and space has to be made for that, as infuriating as it can be sometimes, to deal with normal folks.
	We are different, and it isn't due to a fucking vaccine.
	My grandfather, on my mother's side, is most assuredly on the spectrum.
	We don't speak these days, and we haven't for about 20 years or more, but he has a ton of the markers.
	My mother does as well.
	Me being the oldest child either of my parents had, I got it, as it mostly shows up in firstborns for whatever reason.
	And we have covered that before.
	Of Candace's kids, George Jr. is the most likely candidate to develop autistic traits regardless of vaccination status.
	But anyway, like of all the stupid shit about autism diagnosis, women were not even thought to have it or be able to have it for a long time.
	Women that were likely on the spectrum for a long time were diagnosed as being hysterical and in need of things like asylum care, sterilization, shock therapy, lobotomies, and other medical horrors.
	As for why Candace wouldn't have seen the most extreme cases in any of her schools, that would be because those kids were likely identified early and sent to other schools, special schools.
	Other kids would have held their weirdest traits back out of fear of bullying, expulsion, and so on.
	It has been established that Candace was a mean girl in high school and junior high, so her interacting with anyone on the extreme edge of the spectrum or the lesser end, the weird kids, that likelihood is very low.
	But over time, cutbacks in education spending have closed a lot of the special programs down in the public schools, and those kids that would have been put aside with specialists are now more often in the regular system, which isn't good for anyone.
	The amount of people on the spectrum has not really increased.
	We're just more visible to the rest of you.
	And since we are generally more accepted for who and what we are, we feel more comfortable telling people when we need to deal with our own shit.
	If we know that those people are cool and understand that we just need a break or we need to work on a problem or do actual research and so on.
	Our differences are a massive strength to allies.
	Same with any non-normative, out-of-group people.
	Every leap in counting Autistic Persons as being more of actual society is a big leap forward in acceptance and helping us feel less alone.
	For Candace and her ilk to bitch like this and blame what makes us on a vaccine that saves lives, countless lives, is frightening on a level that is hard to describe.
	Which is where I need to discuss things like debunked and often frightening and deadly heavy metal cures for autism.
	As we have noted before, it is an established fact that autistic people have more aluminum found in our dissected brains than average people.
	The link why is still unknown, but Candace would blame it on the little bit of aluminum adjuvants in the vaccines that millions of people get every year, which is of course bollocks and shows how little thought or care she is actually willing to put to the subject.
	Instead, she is willing to talk about subjecting a child she knows is related to to a heavy metal detox.
	I won't get into the specifics of why this in particular is a frightening subject, but children have died from this bullshit, usually done at home by their own confused, scared, gullible parents.
	I am linking in the stack to the YouTube broadcasts of the Behind the Bastards episodes, where they discussed the grifter industry built up on this practice.
	But now it's time to let Candace speak again.
	More information with her about moms that are raising children that are autistic that have gone this route, the green root, and have become quote-unquote anti-vax and the tools that they have used with their Autistic Children.
	But all of this is to say that to tell her that this child, before he was one, who had none of these issues, who's now suddenly doing all of these weird, and I don't want to mean weird as a pejorative, but just not things that you see a normal two- and three-year-olds doing.
	And I tell her that we just don't know why this is happening.
	We've just gotten better at diagnosing this, telling all of us that this is, you don't remember?
	You don't remember growing up with the kids that used to stem and do these sorts of things in your classroom?
	No, I don't.
	I don't remember one in 36 kids.
	I go around now and all of these children, my friends, we're all having babies.
	I'm obviously very pregnant right now.
	And when I am going around and looking at these kids, and everybody's got a behavioral issue, I'm like, there just wasn't this in the 90s.
	I don't remember this.
	I don't remember growing up with this many children that had different issues.
	So why are you trying to pretend that we should be crediting you with a 1 in 36 child ratio up from 1 in 10,000 back in 1970?
	That is incredible.
	I really want you guys to think about that because it's unbelievable.
	Now.
	It is unbelievable because the numbers are entirely off.
	Way off.
	So I provided the source for all of this in the link stack.
	The CDC has an exhaustive paper on every study conducted on autism prevalence worldwide, but the numbers parsed down are: per every 10,000 people, as autism research methods improved.
	In the 1940s, it was first diagnosed with 11 patients, which was technically less than 1 per 10,000.
	In the 1950s, it was about 1 in 10,000.
	In the 1960s, two to four persons per 10,000.
	The 1970s, which Candace referred to, it was about five people per 10,000.
	The 1980s, about 10 per 10,000.
	The 1990s, 20 per 10,000.
	The 2000s, 67 per 10,000.
	The 2010s, 185 per 10,000.
	Onto this decade, 320 per 10,000 people.
	We've already talked about why the numbers get higher per 10,000 people, but I looked up what would have been the policy in Candace's school system in Stamford, Connecticut, when she was a minor regarding how autistic kids were handled.
	The reason Candace wouldn't have seen autistic children in her school years is because those students were often sent outside of the school district for educational placement.
	Included in the stack is an article from 2009 about when Candace would have been 10 years old about such programs by way of local paper, The Stamford Advocate.
	While the school district tried to integrate students into regular classrooms, even using a hybrid model of therapy, outplacement, and regular classrooms, when Candace was in school, the general policy was to keep students with identified learning disabilities in special programs outside of the regular schools so as not to drag on the teachers or other students.
	Candace didn't see Autistic Kids because she likely could not see them in a normal sense of a normal day.
	Now, let's hear about Candace's second or third, possibly favorite place to bullshit about.
	I'll add something else to the mix.
	Japan.
	Japan is a country with low mortality rates in children, and it is very controversial that they made the move to ban the MMR vaccine, to stand up to the Western big pharma hold.
	And you will see Japan was absolutely trashed during COVID because they are not a very vaccin-friendly nation.
	They are very realistic about vaccines.
	When you pull the Japanese people, they believe that a lot of them cause issues.
	And so they have become, as a government, almost stigmatized by Western governments who are trying to say they're doing everything wrong except their population is quite healthy and they won't explain that.
	So this article is entitled, Why Japan Banned the MMR vaccine.
	And it says, Japan stopped using the MMR vaccine seven years ago, virtually the only developed nation to turn its back on the jab.
	Government health chiefs claim a four-year experiment with it has had serious financial and human costs.
	Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter have been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, they say.
	The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed a non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions.
	Official figures show there were three deaths while eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs.
	The government reconsidered using MMR in 1999, decided it was safer to keep the ban and continue using individual vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella.
	So I want to be clear: it is the combined vaccine that we are talking about.
	The combined vaccine is what Andrew Wakeville was talking about in the paper that he had published in Lancet that Lancet decided to revoke and before they revoked his license for having Audacity to say it.
	And it is the combined vaccine in which we give in Western countries that Japan said no more.
	We're seeing way too much of this.
	So the question is why would the Japanese health ministry lie about this?
	What would be their incentive to pretend that they're seeing a bunch of kids that are having very severe reactions to revoke it from the market based on what they are seeing?
	Let's continue reading.
	It says an analysis of vaccinations over a three-month period showed one in every 900 children was experiencing problems.
	This was over 2,000 times higher than the expected rate of one child in every 100,000 to 200,000.
	The ministry switched to another MMR vaccine in October of 1991, but the incidence was still high with one in 1,755 children affected.
	No separate record has been kept of claims involving autism.
	Tests on the spinal fluid of 125 children affected were carried out to see if the vaccine had gotten into the children's nervous systems.
	They found one confirmed case and two further suspected cases.
	So that's incredible.
	And as I said, there is no reason for Japan's Ministry of Health and Welfare to come out and to say this, to say that they feel that the vaccines are costing them way too much, that it's not worth it, that there is a human cost element to this.
	And again, if you go through articles talking about Japan in the West and in the West here, go through any of the publications, they're outraged.
	How could the government do this?
	How could they not accept that we have this MMR incredible combination vaccine that they should be taking?
	And so it is not just moms that are saying something is happening after this combination shot.
	It is also entire governments that are taking this stance.
	It is also doctors who are now considered kooks that are taking this stance, and you should know that.
	Candace Owens is the worst possible tourist.
	Okay, so I let her go long there, and she did read from that article verbatim almost.
	There are a few additional paragraphs just before the end that she chose not to read, and here they are.
	In 1993, after a public outcry fueled by worries over the flu vaccine, the government dropped the requirement for children to be vaccinated against measles or rubella.
	Dr. Hiroki Nakatani, director of the Infectious Disease Division at Japan's Ministry of Health and Welfare, said that giving individual vaccines costs twice as much as MMR, but we believe it is worth it.
	In some areas, parents have to pay, while in others, health authorities foot the bill.
	However, he admitted the MMR scare has left its mark.
	With vaccination rates low, there have been measles outbreaks which have claimed 94 lives in the last five years.
	Now, that article was originally on the Daily Mail site, but I went looking for it.
	And I found the article itself on an archive search and archived on several anti-vax pages.
	But it seems that it was pulled by, of all places, the Daily Mail, for being factually inaccurate.
	Wow.
	The Daily Mail actually doing some good out there.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it was their article, but at least, you know, they pulled it.
	If anyone wants to have a go of it, the article title is Why Japan Banned the MMR Vaccine.
	Anyway, now it is time to break down why everything else that Candace personally said is utterly fucking absurd.
	Number one, I want to be fair and start off on the first thing she said that was factually true, which is that Japan has the lowest birth through early childhood mortality rate.
	It ranges between 1.8 deaths per live infant birth to 2.4 deaths in under five child mortality, according to the World Bank and WHO, updated for 2024 to 2025.
	So, credit where it is due, as the average globe, as the average globally for such numbers, is 37 deaths per live births.
	So Japan is beating a record, you know?
	Yeah.
	Two versus 37 is quite a number.
	Oh, yeah.
	She didn't drop the last part.
	I'm just being fair.
	Number two, Japan did not permanently ban the MMR vaccines.
	They introduced their own MMR made in-country in 1989 as part of the National Immunization Program.
	Four years later, in 1993, they decided to suspend use of the combined MMR vaccine after investigations revealed inconsistencies in manufacturing and higher-than-expected side effects compared to other countries.
	The government compensated several families and the decision ended the MMR's domestic use.
	But number three, after 1993, Japan reverted to separate measles and rubella vaccines.
	Mumps vaccination is available, but it is not mandatory, which makes the whole thing stink of sour grapes, really.
	Because they fucked up on the mumps portion, rather than fix it or, heaven forbid, buy one that worked or just buy the formula and make it good, they chose to scrap an entire portion.
	Number four, onto Japan and COVID.
	They approved several vaccines for use during Maine COVID, including the ones made by Pfizer Biantech, which we have, Moderna, Oxford AstraZeneca, Johnson, Novavax, and Japanese-made versions, NUVAXOVID, and COVIDOS, C-O-V-G-O-Z-E.
	They have had several options that rolled out there.
	I have no idea what the fuck she means by Japan taking a beating over their COVID policies, such as while the government did not do strict lockdowns, they did run a series of campaigns encouraging people to work from home when possible, avoid crowds, and avoid public events that were either and public events were either canceled or they were capped at a maximum of fewer than 5,000 people, depending on event space guidelines.
	Businesses were encouraged to close early or suspend booze sales.
	All their schools were closed nationwide between February to April of 2020.
	Theaters and sports venues operated under strict capacity measures.
	And Japan closed its borders to foreign travelers by March of 2020, allowing only citizens, permanent residents, and certain visa holders in under mandatory quarantine rules and testing guidelines.
	They also had domestic travel restrictions, which were voluntary, but also had an aggressive public media campaign discouraging inter-prefect prefectural trips.
	So they don't have states there, they have prefectures.
	Mask wearing was nearly universal during the time and seen as a social norm, but not mandated.
	The government distributed cloth masks and promoted contact tracing apps and hand sanitation stations in businesses.
	The government offered subsidies and compensation to businesses that complied with restrictions during the main phase of COVID, pre-vaccines.
	Japan did not brush off, did not brush off the threat of COVID, but they did their best to try to keep everyone happy and informed and safe.
	So I have no fucking clue what she means by all that shit about Japan taking heat for its COVID policies, which from what I was reading there, a lot of that was mirrored in how a lot of other successful countries did it, like Norway.
	Yeah.
	France, even.
	If you want to, like, I was reading a researcher who, her husband was French.
	Their child has dual citizenship because the rules are pretty cool.
	But she's from Norway.
	So she, when they went to go visit his family in France, they had to go into quarantine the moment they entered France and go into quarantine at a hotel, get tested daily, make sure they were fine.
	And then when they went back home to Norway, they do the same thing for like two weeks in a hotel.
	You know, but her being from there, their stay was compensated.
	And when they were cleared to go, they were cleared to go.
	There was no bill.
	There was no bullshit.
	But Norway at the same time was like, no, if you're from out of country, you're going to pay.
	Yeah.
	You're going to pay for this hotel stay.
	So think about that before you finalize your travel plans.
	You will not leave the hotel until you're clear.
	And if you're sick, you will stay there until you're not.
	Like, they were not fucking around.
	So.
	No.
	Yeah, but yeah, Japan had its policies.
	Like, I don't understand her bullshit with that.
	On to the next one.
	Okay.
	Once again, disclaimer.
	There is no causal link between autism, official causal link between autism and the MR vaccine.
	But I am showing you why there are so many people that believe that there may be something established, some sort of a link that they refuse to establish or to acknowledge.
	Why?
	Why not allow more debate?
	Why not allow more conversation?
	Why do we keep treating children like one size fits all?
	But there's another question that we should also be asking, of course, because we should be rather addressing or assuaging the fears that people have about MMR in general.
	So here's just a quick anecdotal story.
	I've always got them.
	I've got plenty of them.
	But a few weekends ago, we went apple picking in Connecticut to go see my sisters.
	And I went and I saw this longtime friend of mine.
	And they know that I'm anti-vaxx.
	I'm so openly anti-vax.
	I make it so casual that I think people are very surprised by it.
	Like, wow, she's just not vaccinating her children.
	And she talks about it all the time.
	I'm like, here are my kids.
	They're beautiful.
	They're healthy.
	They're amazing.
	And then I look at these sickly kids and the people that vax all the time.
	And this time I was speaking to someone who I'm very close to.
	I actually consider her to be a second mother.
	She's very, very, very pro-vax, even though some of her grandchildren have some issues.
	She just has that philosophy that we have all been told, which is essentially, even though they may be having some issues, at least they're protected from these illnesses.
	And she said to me, she said, Candace, aren't you concerned?
	Haven't you read the articles that measles are coming, is coming back?
	That there's starting to be these little outbreaks of measles.
	And I just showed you that in that previous CBS article.
	130 people at Disney World got measles.
	They don't tell you whether they're vaccinated or not unvaxed because they're probably all vaxed, which begs the question.
	If your vaccines work, why do you guys keep getting all of these diseases?
	Good question.
	I think chief among Candace's allergies, she has mentioned, of course, mold, which is common, rabbits, which is more rare, and I posit a new allergy.
	Facts.
	I think that one holds some pretty good water, though.
	Yeah.
	She seems allergic to them.
	In this case, in a review of the cases by the CDC, there were 110 California cases out of 125 cases linked to the outbreak.
	And of those, 45% were not vaccinated.
	5% had one dose of measles vaccine.
	6% had two doses.
	And 1% had three doses.
	And the remaining 43% had unknown vaccination status.
	If you combine the actual numbers, about 12% were vaccinated, and 45% were definitely not vaccinated.
	Link provided in the link stack.
	Now, before I move on to this, I want to mention something that I heard earlier today on the 1A podcast on our local MPR, Minnesota Public Radio, but I know it's on NPR as well.
	It's worth looking up.
	Hero of the show, Dr. Paul Offutt, was on this podcast along with a couple of other experts.
	And he explained why vaccines matter in a brilliant, like, two sentences.
	He said, it is far worse to be among 5% of people vaccinated in a country where 95% are not vaccinated than it is to be 5%, than it is to be in the 5% unvaccinated in a country where 95% of the people are vaccinated.
	He said, because vaccines massively reduce the risk of getting a virus or disease that they hit.
	Because if everyone is vaccinated, what they call herd immunity is actually everyone being vaccinated, almost, except for the people that can't have vaccines.
	Because vaccines do not shed diseases.
	Vaccinated people do not shed diseases.
	They are protected.
	If they are protected, they are not getting those diseases and they are far less likely to spread them to the non-vaccinated people.
	Whereas if you have a bunch of people that are not vaccinated that get something like measles, they can pass it on to the 5% that have the vaccines because there's so much of it around.
	And those 5%, though, will be protected and probably saved from death or the worst aspects of the measles, for instance.
	But they can still catch it and still be fucked up for a while.
	Yeah.
	They can still deal with the fucking negatives.
	Yeah.
	It's like I've had COVID twice since getting vaccinated.
	And both times, it was pretty easy to get through.
	I mean, it sucked.
	Yeah.
	I didn't like sitting on the couch for three days sweating my ass off, but I played video games.
	You know, I've had far worse colds and flu, but I was vaccinated.
	I got to tell you, there's nothing like talking to the other 20-year-olds that dealt with that shit, that lived up here, that actually had like wives and shit that were like, yeah, I got dipped out of four years of school because of this and that and this and that.
	Like, I bet your life down in Florida must have sucked too.
	It's like, I worked it at a fucking fast food restaurant off the highway and played Anthem.
	I mean, I was pissed off EA canceled out Anthem work, but you know, I'm not going to.
	That wasn't the worst of it.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Like, I mean, you know, it's, it's like, come on, man.
	Like, but yeah, that's, that's why.
	Like, Candace is fucking allergic to facts.
	Anyway, moving on.
	Candace is still talking about a fake argument she had with someone in an apple orchard.
	And then she will go on to say some shit that did not age well.
	Right.
	Blame the unvaccined people that don't have the measles.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	But anyways, when I said back to her, she's 65 years old.
	I said, didn't you grow up with measles?
	She said, yeah.
	And I said, do you know a single person that died of measles?
	She said, no.
	And that was the end of the conversation.
	I was like, yeah, if my kids get measles, I will deal with it when they have it, just like you dealt with it when you have it.
	Remarkably, talk about this all the time.
	They have somehow convinced us to be afraid of getting sick.
	Like it's totally worth the risk of you getting a shot that could permanently alter your child's livelihood because God forbid you get the measles, right?
	Something that everybody got and virtually nobody died from.
	And that's what we're going to dive into now.
	I am going to show you MMR measles mumps, Rubella.
	Ah, what is it?
	We don't want it to come back.
	Why don't you want it to come back?
	Do you actually know why you are so afraid of this to come back?
	This kind of reminds me of me being from Generation Chickenpox.
	Talk to a kid today about chickenpox.
	They don't really get chickenpox anymore because they have a vaccine for Varicella.
	And they go, oh, chickenpox, this sounds so scary.
	Am I going to turn into a chicken?
	And then I'm going to have some pox.
	I don't know what this means.
	It sounds very scary, but I'm so glad that it's gone.
	And then you talk to my generation.
	I'm like, what are you talking about?
	Chickenpox.
	We had chickenpox parties.
	Moms used to get like excited.
	I'm like, oh, your kid got chickenpox.
	So what are you doing on Saturday?
	Can I drop off my kids?
	You guys have a little chickenpox party.
	So all of them can get, they'd lock you in a room.
	You'd be coughing.
	It'd be a disaster.
	Mom's very happy outside.
	She's like, yeah, get the chickenpox.
	And then you all get it and you're all fine.
	I don't know a single child in all of the schools that I attended.
	All at my elementary school, we were young when you got chickenpox.
	Nobody died of the chickenpox.
	And yet.
	Okay.
	I feel like her mom should probably be looked into.
	For war crimes?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I have heard about chickenpox parties, but I never knew anyone that actually did this shit.
	Even among the crazy people I knew in the Christian-based cult scene, I never heard of anyone doing this.
	And I only have about nine years on Candace.
	But that all said, Candace just made the statement that no one died from chickenpox.
	And that is absolutely a lie.
	Included in the link stack is an article from the CDC on the success of the chickenpox vaccine.
	And it includes information such as in the early 1990s, every single year, about 4 million people got chickenpox.
	There were 10,500 to 13,500 hospitalizations.
	And the virus caused about 100 to 150 deaths per year, just in the early 90s.
	Most of the cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were among children.
	That was in the 90s, prior to the release of the Varicella vaccine, which officially happened in 1995.
	Looking beyond the deaths, we have to consider other issues with chickenpox.
	For one thing, hospitalizations, even at the lower 10,500 level, which is the lower yearly number, included considerations for issues such as secondary skin and soft tissue infections such as cellulitis or abscesses,
	pneumonia, neurological complications like encephalitis, which is swelling of the brain, cerebralitis, meningitis, and february seizures, dehydration due to poor fluid intake or persistent vomiting,
	sepsis, blood infections, toxic shock syndrome, and hospitalization was most common for newborns, infants, adults, pregnant women, anyone with weakened immune systems due to whatever reason.
	So that is over 10,000 hospital beds per year in use due to chickenpox.
	That is cost on the medical system, beds being taken up, doctors, nurses, and so on taking up time and resources in the medical system due to complications from this one thing.
	Not to mention what a lot of people have found out the hard way, which is that shingles, another thing we now have a vaccine for, shingles can flare up in people that had chickenpox at any earlier time in their lives.
	This is a huge reason to not seek out chickenpox as a thing to get.
	I had a teacher who had shingles.
	Yeah.
	When it would flare up, she would mostly just go, okay, we're going to watch a documentary today because I don't want to move around.
	Yeah.
	And one of the kids one day asked her why that was, and she was like, because I got shingles and I have to wear long-sleeve clothes and it just hurts to move.
	Yeah.
	Because the clothing was rough.
	Yeah.
	Well, now let's briefly discuss shingles.
	Shingles can occur in anyone that previously had chickenpox in their lifetime, whether or not they received a vaccine post-pox.
	The reason to do that is because chickenpox can rarely reoccur in people that had it before as a reinfection.
	It is rare but possible.
	And another consideration too is that I'd heard, but I didn't follow up on in the script.
	I'm only just now remembering it.
	Is that I knew a guy who grew up without getting chickenpox, like made it to adulthood, and one of his kids got it.
	Yeah.
	And for like three weeks, he had to go rent a hotel room because had he caught it, there was no, like, I don't think he was vaccinated either.
	But had he caught it, it could have seriously done a lot of harm to him.
	At the very least, sterilization was a concern.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, like you don't want to catch this shit.
	No, you don't want to fuck with it.
	No.
	So anyway, back into the script here.
	It is rare but possible.
	Anyway, shingles commonly shows up in people 50 or over at a rate of about one in every three adults past 50 will experience it.
	Included in the link stack is more information, but briefly from the CDC, about one in every three people in the United States will have shingles or herpes zoster in their lifetime.
	Shingles can sometimes lead to serious complications like long-term nerve pain and vision loss.
	The best way to protect yourself from shingles is vaccination.
	Shingles is a painful rash illness.
	People get shingles when the Varicella zoster virus, BZV, which causes chickenpox, reactivates in their bodies after they have already had chickenpox.
	An estimated 1 million people get shingles each year in this country.
	Most people who develop shingles only have it one time during their life.
	However, you can have shingles more than once.
	People with shingles most commonly have a rash around the left or right side of the body.
	The rash is usually painful, itchy, or tingly.
	Shingles can lead to serious complications.
	The most common shingles complication is long-term nerve pain called post-therpectic neuralgia or PHN.
	You are at risk for shingles if, one, you have had chickenpox.
	More than 99% of Americans born before 1980 had chickenpox, even if they don't remember it.
	Children can have shingles, but it is not common.
	Your risk of shingles and serious complications increases as you get older.
	Or if you have medical conditions that keep your immune system from working properly, such as certain cancers like leukemia and lymphoma and HIV infection.
	Or if you take drugs that keep your immune system from working properly, like steroids and drugs given after an organ transplant.
	Again, causes and spread, if you are near someone with shingles, you cannot get shingles from someone who has shingles.
	So it can't be spread like that.
	But you can get chickenpox from someone who has shingles if you never had chickenpox or never got chickenpox vaccine.
	You could then develop shingles later in life.
	Shingles is caused by VZV, the same virus that causes chickenpox.
	Once a person has chickenpox, the virus stays in their body.
	The virus can reactivate later in life and cause shingles.
	People who never had chickenpox or didn't get chickenpox vaccine can get infected with VZV from someone who has shingles.
	These people can get the virus through direct contact with the fluid from shingles rash blisters or breathing in virus particles that come from the blisters, which sounds crazy, but obviously it can happen.
	Or people with chickenpox are more likely to spread VZV than people with shingles.
	Protect yourself with the vaccine.
	The CDC recommends two doses of recombinant Zoster vaccine, RZV, Shingrix, to prevent shingles and related complications in adults 50 years and older.
	Shingricks is also recommended for adults 19 years and older who have weakened immune systems because of disease or therapy.
	I remember that.
	I think it was that one was getting peddled on TV all the time back down Florida.
	Oh, yeah.
	Back when I was little.
	Well, when we watch Hulu with ads, Shingrix gets sold a lot on there.
	Okay.
	Which honestly, two shots sounds a lot better than all of this shit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, going on.
	The best way to prevent shingles is by getting two doses of the vaccine.
	If you have shingles, protect others.
	Covering the shingles rash can lower the risk of spreading the shingles virus to others.
	People with shingles cannot spread the virus before the blisters appear or after the rash scab's over.
	To prevent spreading the virus to others, one, cover the rash.
	Two, avoid touching or scratching the rash.
	Three, wash your hands often for at least 20 seconds.
	Next, avoid contact with the following people until your rash scabs over.
	Number one, pregnant women who never had chickenpox or chickenpox vaccine.
	Two, premature or low birth weight infants.
	Three, people with weakened immune systems.
	The article goes on to discuss treatment and other stuff, and I highly recommend it if you think this might be a problem for you.
	Me, I'm getting the damn vaccine because fuck all that other shit.
	I went into all of this to say that chickenpox is a very real thing.
	Vaccines are a very real thing, and shingles sounds fucking horrible from everyone I know that has ever had it.
	Get vaccinated.
	That all said, we're not done.
	Candace is about to use the chart she has used before to make ill-informed points that we have debunked.
	And of course, we will do it again after the clip.
	There is this arbitrary fear from the kids of this generation, but God forbid it comes back.
	And this is how people react when they hear measles and mumps because we didn't grow up with measles and mumps.
	It was something that happened in the 60s.
	Go talk to your parents about it.
	Go talk to your grandparents about measles.
	They're going to be like, yeah, we all got it.
	It wasn't like, you know, mumps, measles, rubella.
	Nobody died.
	Barely anybody died.
	I'm not making that claim wrongly.
	I'm going to now show you a chart to really have you appreciate the madness of the risks that people will take over something that was never even risky.
	So let's first jump into measles.
	The chart that we are going to re-examine is that one that I have showed you before.
	It is an official chart from the Journal of American Medicine.
	So we are talking about the American Medicine Association, which is a part of the big pharma conglomerate.
	These numbers that you are seeing are also reflected on the CDC.
	They're not lying.
	This is all kind of hiding in plain sight.
	And again, this chart shows you what the numbers were pre-vaccine.
	They show you what the numbers were.
	Okay.
	So before we get into this crap with her again, I have provided the link in the stack, and it is a huge fucking link, possibly the largest I've ever seen for anything ever.
	What Candace will fail to say, what she always fails to say, is that the chart does not include information on the diseases or viruses mentioned prior to a certain date range.
	Basically, anything prior to a certain year per vaccine is not represented.
	This is explained in the article attached to it, which is included in the link stack below the huge fucking link.
	Anyway, let's allow her to continue.
	At the peak in the United States of cases and deaths, you can go, okay, at the highest peak, when the most people got measles per year, how many people got it?
	in the country.
	When the most people got measles per year, how many people died of measles, right?
	I'm going to give you the answers.
	Measles at the peak in the United States, when there was a population in 1958 of 174.8 million people.
	It's a lot of people.
	174.8 million people was a population 1958.
	At its peak, 552 people died of measles.
	Okay, so we finally got here.
	I had to cut this clip here because she will go on to the mumps, but we need to stay here for a moment and discuss measles.
	Measles was first described and distinguished from smallpox by a Persian doctor in his book, The Book of Smallpox and Measles, which was written somewhere between 860 and 932 CE.
	Jesus.
	This is the earliest known systematic medical documentation of measles as a distinct illness.
	Later on, about a thousand years later, in 1757, a Scottish doctor demonstrated that measles was caused by an infectious agent present in the blood of infected patients.
	In 1912, measles became a nationally notifiable disease in the United States, being formally recognized in medical surveillance systems.
	In 1954, measles was finally isolated and vaccine development began.
	Measles outbreaks are nothing new historically.
	In Europe, they had been experiencing measles outbreaks in large population centers as far back as the 11th and 12th centuries.
	The outbreaks would come and go in the ebb of inflow of trade as well, with outbreaks happening every few years randomly.
	Iceland and the Faroe Islands suffered two of the worst outbreaks on record in 1781 and 1788.
	According to the CDC Pink Book, Chapter 13 on Measles, every year before the vaccine, about 3 to 4 million people, mostly children, died from it worldwide.
	3 to 4 million dead kids every year worldwide.
	Just let that sink in for a moment.
	Outbreaks occurred every two to three years as new children were born in waves.
	Of the three to four million sick, almost 500,000 on average were officially recorded with worse than normal symptoms.
	And of those, about 48,000 were hospitalized every year with an average of 400 to 500 deaths per year.
	Death is bad enough, but the randomness of the way that measles infection can hit, it can have lifelong debilitating effects for survivors.
	Surviving measles doesn't always mean that you get a full recovery.
	The infection can cause long-term or permanent health damage due to the virus's effects on the immune system, brain, and other organs.
	One of the most significant effects is immune amnesia.
	The measles virus destroys memory B and T cells, which are responsible for remembering past infections.
	This wipes out 20% to 70% of a person's pre-existing immunity, leaving survivors vulnerable for months to years to infections like pneumonia, diarrhea, or ear infections that would normally be mild.
	Studies show that this immune damage can last up to five years, effectively resetting the immune system.
	Neurological damage.
	In rare cases, measles leads to inflammation of the brain, which is encephalitis, either during or shortly after infection.
	Around one in 1,000 measles patients develop this, and of those who survive, one-third have permanent neurological damage, including seizures, hearing loss, or intellectual disability.
	A delayed fatal brain disease called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, SSPE, can appear 7 to 10 years after a measles infection.
	SSPE occurs in roughly 1 in 5,000 to 10,000 cases, primarily in children infected before age 2, and it is virtually always fatal.
	Other long-term effects include Lung damage.
	Severe measles pneumonia may have lasting respiratory impairments.
	Vision or hearing loss.
	Damage can result from infection complications or secondary bacterial diseases.
	Malnutrition.
	Measles depletes vitamin A, worsening outcomes in children and leading to stunted growth or immune suppression.
	Immune dysfunction.
	Viral RNA can persist in lymphoid tissues for months, interfering with normal immune responses even after apparent recovery.
	Candace, of course, will discuss none of this.
	Well, no, no, that don't fit the narrative of things, you know?
	No.
	It's a harmless, harmless disease.
	Yeah, that we'll just deal with if they get it.
	Damning her kids.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, next up.
	Okay.
	Now let's take a look at mumps.
	So the population in 1964 in America was 190.8 million people.
	Of that population, just 50 people died of mumps.
	Think about that.
	So it says down here that 212,000 people, you can actually round that up, 213,000 people cases of the mumps.
	Okay, a lot of cases during its peak, and yet just 50 people died from mumps.
	Yeah.
	Makes you a little less fearful.
	And my dad says it was basically just a bad sore throat, right?
	And we don't know anything about those cases, right?
	We don't know if, I don't know, like maybe it was a person that was already on their deathbed.
	Maybe it was a person that already had a compromised immune system.
	Maybe it was a person that was literally about to die from something else and the measles just was over the edge, you know?
	Maybe there were 99 on their last breath.
	We'll never know anything about those 50 people that died, but we do know that at the peak in the United States, just 50 people out of 190.8 million people died of mumps.
	Not even close, of course, and we will get into that now.
	Mumps was first mentioned as far back as 640 BC in China.
	The first clear medical description was 410 BC by Hippocrates in Greece, and then it existed for about 2,000 more years before getting a modern scientific description in 1790.
	And then the cause of the virus would not be confirmed until 1934 by Johnson and Goodpasture.
	So what the hell is it?
	Well, according to the Cleveland Clinic, link in the link stack, mumps is a contagious disease caused by the mumps virus, which belongs to a group of viruses known as paramyxoviruses.
	The illness starts with mild symptoms, such as headache, fever, and fatigue, but then it typically leads to severe swelling in certain salivary glands, paratitis, that causes puffy cheeks and a tender, swollen jaw.
	The first mumps symptoms are often mild.
	Many people have no symptoms and don't know they're infected.
	Symptoms also don't appear right away.
	The incubation period, which is the time between infection and illness, ranges from 7 to 25 days.
	Mild mumps symptoms may include fever, headache, muscle aches, fatigue, loss of appetite.
	A few days later, painful swelling of your parotid glands may occur.
	Your parotid glands are salivary glands located between your ears and jaw.
	The swelling, known as parotitis, can occur on one or both sides of your face.
	This classic sign of mumps looks like chipmunk cheeks because your cheeks puff up and your jaw swells.
	Paratitis occurs in more than 70% of mumps cases.
	Rarely, mumps can affect your organs, including your brain, pancreas, testicles, or ovaries.
	This usually only occurs in adolescents and adults.
	But call your child's health care provider right away if they develop any of the following severe symptoms.
	high fever, stiff neck, severe headache, confusion, stomach pain, vomiting, seizures.
	So what causes mumps?
	The mumps virus, which is a type of paramexovirus, causes mumps.
	The virus spreads from person to person through direct contact with infected saliva or through respiratory droplets from the infected person's nose, mouth, or throat.
	The infected person can spread the mumps virus by sneezing, coughing, or talking.
	sharing objects containing infected saliva, such as toys, cups, and utensils, playing sports, dancing, kissing, or participating in other activities involving close contact with others.
	Some groups of people are at a higher risk of getting mumps.
	These groups include people with weakened immune systems, people who travel internationally, people who aren't vaccinated against the virus, and people living in close quarters, such as college campuses.
	So what complications can mumps cause?
	Well, while mumps is typically a mild disease, it can cause serious complications.
	These complications may include arthritis, which is inflammation of your child's joints, deafness, permanent hearing loss, encephalitis, inflammation of your child's brain, meningitis, inflammation of the tissue covering your child's brain and spinal cord.
	Uphoritis, inflammation of your child's ovaries, rachitis, inflammation of your child's testicles, pancreatitis, inflammation of your child's pancreas.
	Thyroiditis, which is inflammation of your child's thyroid gland.
	Mumps during pregnancy is usually harmless, but may very rarely lead to miscarriage, premature birth, low birth weight, birth defects, or fetal death.
	So Candace read the numbers wrong and was way off on the symptoms.
	In the best case scenario, mumps is a very sore throat and it can be transmitted via droplets in the air from an infected person.
	The number she quoted at the beginning of this segment of only about 200,000 people catching mumps was of course bullshit.
	That number was the average every year of reported cases, but experts believe the number could have been much higher in unreported cases.
	But since that is conjecture, I am leaving it there.
	The number Candace focused on, the deaths, again, doesn't tell the whole story.
	We've covered the many possible conditions that can come with this.
	And again, all of these are random things that can and did happen to a great number of people that caught mumps and continue to happen to people that catch it these days that we know it is causally related.
	Candace, of course, explains none of this and probably stays ignorant of it.
	Next.
	Let's keep going.
	Rubella.
	Oh my god, the German measles.
	That's so scary.
	This is like foreign measles.
	Well, once again, this chart shows us that the peak happened in 1964.
	We have already addressed that in 1964, the population was 190.8 million people in America.
	And at its peak of the scary German measles, just 24 people died of rubella.
	24 people out of nearly half a million people who got rubella.
	Everyone was fine.
	And then there were 24 people who died, but nobody knows this.
	Nobody knows this information because it disappeared.
	And so they're so fearful.
	I think it might, please inject my child immediately.
	I will risk seizures.
	I will risk whatever because God forbid he gets the German measles that everybody survived, that virtually everybody survived.
	I know it's a little nitpicky, but if the information disappeared, then how does she have the information?
	Yeah.
	Oh, Rubella, what the fuck.
	Now we're on to Rubella.
	So before I get into the inner workings of this one, I can say that someone close to me almost lost their vision as a baby because they caught rubella before they could be vaccinated and they caught it from a visiting child that had it who was much older than them and was not vaccinated.
	That kid caught it in a daycare and so on.
	Anyway, about Rubella, it is known loosely as the German measles because it was distinctly diagnosed in 1814 by German doctors and before that, it had been mistaken for a long time as measles or scarlet fever.
	But recent historical accounts have suggested that German doctors prior to 1814 had discovered various singular aspects of it, but it wasn't formally recognized as its own distinct medical entity until the International Congress of Medicine in 1881.
	Rubella was first proposed as a possible virus in 1914, which was confirmed in 1938.
	There would not be a vaccine for about 41 years in 1969.
	It was combined with measles and mumps in 1971 to make the MMR vaccine.
	Most people that get rubella are often asymptomatic, meaning that it doesn't really affect them much, if at all, and it is harder to contract than measles since most people are vaccinated against it at a young age these days.
	However, for the unvaccinated, as with any such thing, it can spread via the same contact path as measles, but most commonly as a sneezed or coughed particle in the air.
	Deaths from rubella are rare, and most people that get it do pull through.
	But we are also discussing the effects this has on survivors.
	And the following is from the Mayo Clinic on Rubella complications.
	Rubella is a mild infection.
	Some people assigned female at birth who have had rubella get arthritis in the fingers, wrists, and knees.
	This most often lasts about a month.
	Rarely, rubella can cause swelling and irritation called inflammation of the brain.
	That's your encephalitis.
	If you're pregnant, when you get rubella, the effect on your unborn child may be severe.
	It can cause you to have a miscarriage or a stillbirth.
	Congenital rubella syndrome occurs in up to 85% of infants born to people who had rubella during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.
	This syndrome can cause one or more problems, including growth delays, cataracts, deafness, problems with how the heart forms called congenital heart defects, problems with how other organs form, problems with learning.
	The highest risk to the fetus is during the first three months of pregnancy, but being exposed later in pregnancy also is dangerous.
	My take on this is that a woman that is as pregnant as Candace has been, that is not herself vaccinated, is putting her future kid at serious risk.
	However, Candace Owens was vaccinated as a child.
	According to her, her parents got her all of her shots growing up, so her kids are at less risk of these issues happening in utero, but still are at risk of the other symptoms of rubella infection that can be debilitating, which include rubella complications,
	encephalitis, one in 6,000 cases, hemorrhagic manifestations such as thrombocytopanic purpura, one in 3,000 cases, other rare complications, granulomas, orchitis, neuritis, progressive panencephalitis.
	Complications of rubella are rare.
	Hemorrhagic manifestations occur in approximately one per every 3,000 cases.
	These manifestations may be secondary to low platelets and vascular damage, with thrombocytopanic purpura being the most common.
	Gastrointestinal, cerebral, or intra-renal hemorrhage may also occur.
	Effects may last from days to months and most patients recover.
	Encephalitis occurs in one in 6,000 cases and may be fatal.
	Additional rare complications include granulomas in persons with primary immune deficiencies, orchitis, neuritis, and a late syndrome of progressive panencephalitis.
	The post-infection encephalitis is the most damning one, as it is the cause of death most often seen in people struck down with rubella, and it happens in about one in 6,000 cases overall, which sucks, of course, but no child should suffer the risks of the other many things associated with passing through a rubella infection.
	What Candace always fails to examine, mostly because it wouldn't help her cause at all, and the thing we cover here is that getting through a measles, mumps, or rubella infection is often not the end for people.
	Problems, known problems and complications, can exist for decades or a lifetime afterward in the infected or in their offspring.
	For her to go on like none of this is a big deal is fucking absurd.
	And I have talked with people that lived through the measles before the vaccines were widely available.
	And their stories are all kinds of horrifying about the survivors they knew as friends or were close family.
	They've lived long enough to see it become a non-issue for the general public and now come roaring back to life in recent years.
	So now that we are all prepared with knowledge, let's hear Candace Owens, ignorance personified, take a shit on the graves of dead children and the suffering of past generations.
	That is why when you speak to the generation of people that had measles, mumps, rubella, they're like, yeah, the mumps, my dad was like, it was just kind of like a bad sore throat.
	You speak to people that broke measles, like everybody got measles.
	Speak chickenpox.
	I'm sure that 50 people probably died of the chicken pox.
	I didn't know them.
	Nobody knows them.
	We talked to them.
	Because it had to have been so rare and so extraordinary.
	I don't know what could have contributed to it.
	Maybe somebody not even taking their kids to the doctor.
	Maybe a socioeconomic issues.
	Mom didn't care, you know, and this went on too far and the child died because they didn't get something basic like water.
	We won't know.
	We can't tell you anything about these 24 people that died of rubella because they need to scare you.
	They used to think that everybody was dying of rubella.
	And then, oh my God, we created a vaccine and now, look, we don't have rubella.
	We don't have measles.
	We don't have months.
	Isn't that wonderful?
	Sometimes I ask myself the question, what's so interesting about when they say that, you know, we decreased measles, we've decreased mumps, you know, by some 95%.
	Nobody gets this, is what's interesting is that suddenly new viruses pop up.
	Don't you wonder sometimes, and again, this is just me musing, there's no facts behind this, if these viruses are just commuting into something else.
	Do you know what I mean?
	When you look at the symptoms of what measles is, you kind of wonder if that's just like when they wanted to, they were like, measles is kind of gone and now it's chickenpox.
	Okay, measles vaccine, so we'll just call everything that we used to call measles chickenpox.
	Okay, Varicella vaccine rolled out.
	I think it was 1995, they rolled it out.
	So now we'll just say Varicella is virtually gone and we'll call it hand, foot, and mouth, which is still spots that kids get and a rash.
	When I heard about hand, foot, and mouth, I was like, what is that?
	My sister called me.
	She was like, my son has hand, foot, and mouth.
	And I literally was like, what is that?
	She's like, yeah, I don't know if that is either.
	We didn't have it growing up.
	But now we have this thing called hand, foot, and mouth.
	And you're basically, it's like little pox and spots that your child can get.
	And I'm like, okay, so did they just commute that?
	Like, was that once chickenpox?
	And now they just don't want to call it chickenpox because they need to say that Varicella was successful.
	Again, I'm using no facts behind that, but I do wonder because we know that once they can control the definitions and they control the, you know, the diagnosis, they can just magically change the name of stuff.
	Pertussis, group.
	They just all seem so similar that I have to wonder, are we ever getting rid of any disease?
	Are we just commuting the verbiage?
	Are we just allowing them to control the definitions, which allows them to warp our senses?
	Because I could certainly say we're not getting more healthy by no means.
	You wouldn't say we're coming healthier nation.
	It's not like there's less disease.
	There's just different ones they discovered.
	So anyways, that is just me musing about that.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So let's talk about actual facts.
	Now that we've listened to her at the very end, at least say that she was just spitballing.
	So a rare bit of truth from her on that one, I guess.
	Anyway, chickenpox deaths per the NIH, the National Institutes of Health, chickenpox deaths are ongoing.
	Link included in the stack, but Varicella chickenpox causes about 7,000 deaths per year outside of the United States.
	And since we have had a vaccine since 1995, we only have about 4 to 10 deaths per year from it here.
	But prior to the vaccine, it was about 100 deaths per year on average.
	Moving on from that, she asked about what the difference between chickenpox and hand, foot, and mouth disease is.
	Ironic that she's on the fucking internet, literally with an Apple Mac Air in front of her, as she asks that stupid fucking question.
	But here are the fucking differences.
	Hand, foot, and mouth disease, HFMD, and chickenpox are both contagious viral infections common in children, but they are caused by different viruses and have distinct patterns of symptoms and rash distribution.
	HFMD is usually caused by Coxaki virus or entovarias, enterovirus.
	It spreads through contact with saliva, stool, nasal secretions, or fluid from blisters.
	Chickenpox is caused by the Varicella zoster virus, which is a herpes virus and spreads mainly through respiratory droplets or direct contact with the rash.
	Hand, foot, and mouth disease appears mainly on the hands, feet, and mouth, and sometimes buttocks or legs.
	Small red spots or blisters, often with painful mouth ulcers.
	They're usually non-itchy.
	Mild fever, sore throat, reduced appetite, and general malaise for seven to ten days.
	Chickenpox starts on the torso and spreads to the face, scalp, and limbs.
	Fluid-filled blisters that are itchy, often in different stages of healing.
	Fever, headaches, fatigue, and malaise before the rash.
	The rash lasts about five to ten days.
	So there you go.
	They didn't rename the fucking thing.
	Moving on.
	Pertussis and croup, as we have spoken about before, are also not the same thing.
	For more on that, go back to the pertussis episode.
	We devoted a lot of time to it.
	And now, with 10 minutes left in her show, Candace will finally continue to shit on the dead and the suffering memories of such, and also bring us to her shit interpretation of the vaccine insert.
	So now it is obviously fitting now that you have some sense of reality of how not a big deal these were.
	Again, don't take it from me.
	Go talk to your mom, go talk to your dad, go talk to your grandparents about getting these diseases.
	Yes, I'm sure there's one person who says, hey really sucked.
	Yeah, let me tell you something.
	It wasn't fun to have chickenpox.
	Like our parents were having fun as they threw us in a room and then they could do whatever they wanted to do.
	But, you know, we were sick, right?
	You got sick, but you didn't die.
	And now that you are tethered by that reality about MMR, you are looking at an official chart that acknowledges that, it is so appropriate for us to now jump into the FDA insert because it is one of the wildest.
	It is one of the most expansive in terms of the risks that you are taking with your children.
	And it is why I begged my sisters not to get it.
	I said, please, if you, I don't care how probax you are, just don't get this one, is what I said to my sisters.
	And I think, obviously, my big sister wishes she had listened to me now.
	Again, this is all available on the FDA website for MMR2, which is a vaccine indicated for active immunization for the prevention of measles, mumps, and rubella in individuals that are 12 months of age and older.
	So let's just first jump in to the warnings and precautions under segment five here.
	I told you the story of the person that worked with me whose brother had a seizure from the MMR vaccs and never came back and he is now in his 30s and lives with his mother.
	It says there's a risk of february seizure.
	There is a risk of fever and associated febral seizure in the first two weeks following immunization with the MMR2 vaccine.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So Candace has gone from claiming that getting the inserts is illegal to just skipping over that bullshit and cherry-picking from the MMR vaccine insert and saying that it is available on the CDC website, which it is.
	Link provided in the link stack.
	Anyway, since she skipped all the way down to section five to highlight the febrile seizure bit based on a bullshit story, she might have heard maybe once from some guy she knows who probably has a girlfriend in Canada too.
	Anyway, we have covered febrile seizures before.
	Where'd the girlfriend in Canada come from?
	I'm just saying, you know, if you're lying, you go all the way to girlfriend in Canada.
	I mean, that's fair.
	I mean, which, I mean, look, we live on the Canadian.
	Well, okay, we don't live on the Canadian border.
	We're like 200 miles from it, but we're close enough that you could have actually a girlfriend in Canada.
	I mean, yeah, that's fair.
	Especially because a lot of college students here go to Canadian colleges, which that's a whole other thing I'm not going to get into.
	But yeah, yeah, so.
	So that is fair, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, we have covered febrile seizures before.
	This is a term that sounds bad because seizures are never good.
	But as we know from talking about this before, Candace is blowing this out of proportion on purpose, as she often does.
	But to be fair, febrile seizure risk is on every vaccine insert that I've looked at in the course of doing these many episodes.
	From the Mayo Clinic, link provided, of course, is the following write-up on febrile seizures.
	A febrile seizure is a convulsion in a child that's caused by a fever.
	A fever is often from an infection.
	Febri seizures occur in young, healthy children who have normal development and haven't had any neurological symptoms before.
	Excuse me.
	It can be frightening when your child has a febrile seizure.
	Fortunately, febrile seizures are usually harmless, only last a few minutes, and typically don't indicate a serious health problem.
	You can help by keeping your child safe during a febrile seizure and by offering comfort afterward.
	Call your doctor to have your child evaluated as soon as possible after a febrile seizure.
	Symptoms.
	Usually, a child having a febrile seizure shakes all over and loses consciousness.
	Sometimes the child may get very stiff or twitch in just one area of the body.
	A child having a febrile seizure may have a fever higher than 100.4F or 38 Celsius.
	They may lose consciousness, shake or jerk the arms and legs.
	And febrile seizures are classified as simple or complex.
	A simple febrile seizure is the most common type and it lasts from a few seconds to 15 minutes.
	Simple febrile seizures do not recur within a 24-hour period and are not specific to one part of the body.
	Complex febrile seizures are the type that lasts longer than 15 minutes, occur more than once within 24 hours, or are confined to one side of your child's body.
	Febriel seizures most often occur within 24 hours of the onset of a fever and can be the first sign that a child is ill.
	When to see a doctor?
	See your child's doctor as soon as possible after your child's first febrile seizure, even if it lasts only a few seconds.
	Call an ambulance to take your child to the ER if the seizure lasts longer than five minutes or is accompanied by vomiting, a stiff neck, breathing problems, or extreme sleepiness.
	The causes, usually a higher than normal body temperature causes febrile seizures.
	Even a low-grade fever can trigger a febrile seizure.
	Infection.
	The fevers that trigger febrile seizures are usually caused by a viral infection and less commonly by a bacterial infection.
	The flu virus and the virus that causes roseola, which often are accompanied by high fevers, appear to be most frequently associated with febrile seizures.
	Post-vaccination seizures.
	The risk of febrile seizures may increase after some childhood vaccinations.
	These include the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine and the measles-mumps rubella vaccine.
	A child can develop a low-grade fever after a vaccination.
	The fever, not the vaccine, causes the seizure.
	Risk factors.
	Factors that increase the risk of having a febrile seizure include young age.
	Most febrile seizures occur in children between six months and five years of age, with the greatest risk between 12 and 18 months of age.
	Family history.
	Some children inherit a family's tendency to have seizures with a fever.
	Additionally, researchers have linked several genes to a susceptibility to febrile seizures.
	The complications.
	Most febrile seizures produce no lasting effects.
	Simple febrile seizures don't cause brain damage, intellectual disability, or learning disabilities, and they don't mean your child has a more serious underlying disorder.
	Febri seizures are provoked seizures and don't indicate epilepsy.
	Epilepsy is a condition characterized by recurrent unprovoked seizures caused by abnormal electrical signals in the brain.
	Recurrent febrile seizures, the most common complication is the possibility of more febrile seizures.
	The risk of recurrence is higher if your child's first seizure resulted from a low-grade fever, if the febrile seizure was the first sign of illness, if an immediate family member has a history of febrile seizures, and if your child was younger than 18 months at the time of the first febrile seizure.
	Prevention.
	Most febrile seizures occur in the first few hours of a fever during the initial rise in body temperature.
	Give your child medication.
	Give your child infants or children's acetaminophen such as Tylenol or others.
	Or ibuprofen, Advil, Motrin, and others at the beginning of a fever may make your child more comfortable, but it won't prevent a seizure.
	Use caution when giving aspirin to children or teenagers.
	Though aspirin is approved for use in children older than age three, children and teenagers recovering from chickenpox or flu-like symptoms should never take aspirin.
	This is because aspirin has been linked to Rays syndrome, a rare but potentially life-threatening condition for such children.
	Rarely, prescription anti-convulsant medications are used to try to prevent febrile seizures.
	However, these medications can have serious side effects that may outweigh any possible benefit.
	Rectal diazepam or nasal mitazolam might be prescribed to be used as needed for children who are prone to long febrile seizures.
	These medications are typically used to treat seizures that last longer than five minutes or if the child has more than one seizure within 24 hours.
	They are not typically used to prevent febrile seizures.
	That was the first page.
	Lord.
	It goes on and on into diagnosis and treatment, and I will not read from those here, but they are available for anyone interested.
	Armed with that information, I will only add before we go on that the risk of febrile seizures from an actual rubella infection is in the range of 2% to 5% of cases, as opposed to 0.0004% per capita vaccinated people.
	2 to 5% versus 3 zeros in front of a 4.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So the thing with febrile seizures is that they occur as a result mostly from a fever, which tend to spike higher in non-vaccinated persons that catch these issues.
	But let us do what we do and allow Candace to go on with this topic.
	I'll trade off a seizure to my child's brain and he'll never be the same person just so I don't get that dangerous rubella that 24 people died from in 1964 when the population was virtually 200 million people, right?
	That seems like a fair trade-off.
	Unbelievable, right?
	That clip was less than 20 seconds.
	And here are some more hard facts that she didn't bother to know.
	In 1964, way more than 10 people died from rubella in America.
	From the website History of Vaccines and their article on the horror of German measles in the 1960s and today, included in the stack, the author quotes, Before the rubella vaccination program started in 1969, rubella was a common and widespread infection in the United States.
	During the last major rubella epidemic in the United States from 1964 to 65, an estimated 12.5 million people got rubella.
	11,000 pregnant women lost their babies.
	2,100 newborns died.
	And 20,000 babies were born with congenital rubella syndrome.
	Yeah.
	The rest of the article is well written and worth a read.
	But Candace moves on to discuss more adverse reactions from the actual insert after going through a list of allergy concerns under the next section titled Hypersensitivity to Eggs.
	Hypersensitivity to eggs says here, individuals with a history of anaphylactic, anaphylactoid, or other immediate reactions, hives, swelling of the mouth and throat, difficulty breathing, subsequent to egg ingestion, may be at an enhanced risk of immediate type hypersensitivity reactions after receiving the NMR2 vaccine.
	And here is where I really think it just is one of the most insane things that I've ever seen that people are getting this vaccine so willingly.
	I would just much rather my child get mums, much rather my child get measles, much rather my child get rubella.
	I'd rather my child get all three than to take these risks, which are listed under segment six here, adverse reactions.
	It reads the following adverse reactions, include those identified during clinical trials or reported during post-approval use of MMR2 vaccine or its individual components.
	Again, we are looking at an FDA insert.
	Let's just go through some of these.
	Paniculitis, atypical measles.
	Oh, okay, great.
	I'm getting the measles backs, and you've listed the fact that as an adverse reaction, I might get atypical measles.
	Cool.
	What a risk.
	Okay, so I looked into this.
	And atypical measles is listed as a risk for a very small, certain group of people.
	The original measles vaccine used a dead form of the virus.
	And people that got that one, and it was only in use for a few years in America until we developed a better one.
	But the people that got that, or may yet get the dead form of the virus, can find on receiving the current MMR2 vaccine that they may develop atypical measles as a reaction from the body to the mix of vaccines.
	Atypical measles is so-called because it has its own characteristics, the most important of which is that it is not contagious.
	It is listed as an unlikely but still possible adverse event because of legal and ethical concerns, since they try to list and make people aware of all possible known situations that can occur with a vaccine, however rare they might be.
	But the vaccine is not going to give people measles.
	Yeah.
	That is not how it works.
	No.
	Keep that in mind as she reads through more of it.
	That comes with feaser, fever, headache, dizziness, malaise, irritability.
	In terms of your cardiovascular system, you might get vasculitis.
	In terms of your digestive system, you might get pancreatitis, diarrhea, vomiting, perititis, and nausea.
	In terms of your hematological and lymphatic systems, you might get purpura, regional, lymphodenopathy, leukocytosis.
	In terms of your immune system, you might just become full-on anaphylaxis, anaphylactoid reactions, and bronchial spasms.
	In terms of your musculoskeletal system, you might get arthritis.
	You might get athralgia.
	You might get myalgia.
	In terms of your nervous system, you might get encephalitis.
	You might get measles.
	there it is again, including body encephalitis, you might get...
	Okay, she said that wrong.
	Pausing here to discuss measles inclusion body encephalitis is a serious complication and serious adverse event that can occur in people with immunodeficiency disorders or conditions like HIV or AIDS.
	Basically, the vaccine goes in and the body's immune system can't clear it and it goes to the brain, causes massive inflammation, and the patient dies.
	It is a nasty way to go.
	Fortunately, the actual people that have this issue and have to take this consideration into account are a very small number.
	But it is because of people like this that the rest of us should get fucking vaccinated so that we run less risk of passing on measles to them.
	This is because immunocompromised persons are at risk from measles inclusion body encephalitis or MIBE from wild measles infections passed along to them by the non-vaccinated.
	A vaccinated person, even on the day they get a vaccine, runs no risk of transmitting the virus to an immunocompromised person.
	Everyone that can get this vaccine should get this vaccine to limit the risk to people that are immunocompromised.
	Candace will go on now to read more terms she does not understand and is not trying to.
	Subacute sclerosing, pardon, sclerosing, you might get, oh, there it is again, Gillian-Barr syndrome.
	We went over that last week.
	Gillian Barr syndrome, you might have a little bit of paralysis, but hey, at least you're not going to get rubella.
	You might get acute disseminated encephalomyelitis.
	You might get transverse myelitis.
	You might get february convulsions.
	You might get afebral convulsions or seizures.
	You might get polyneuritis.
	You might get polyneuropathy.
	You might get ocular palsies, parethesia.
	You might get some feigning.
	In terms of your reparatory system, yeah, you might get pneumonia, pneumonitis, sore throat, cough, rhinitis.
	In terms of your skin, oh, you might get Stevens-Johnson syndrome.
	Oh, okay.
	So you, the good news is you won't have that sore throat.
	My dad describes as a very bad sore throat, mumps, but you might get Stevens-Johnson syndrome.
	What is that?
	You guys know what that is?
	Well, let's just take a look at that because I think it's just incredible.
	It's a very serious, rare disorder of the skin and the mucous membranes.
	It's usually a reaction to medication that starts with flu-like symptoms followed by a painful rash that spreads and it blisters.
	Then the top layer of your skin just dies and sheds.
	Look at these photos.
	Look at how painful this looks.
	This is incredible.
	Yeah, it would be incredible, but the photos she shows on the video, I took screenshots of them and went to a forum to ask doctors about them.
	Turns out she likely showed photos of measles.
	One expert asked where I got the photos and I told him with laugh emojis.
	He felt sympathy for the patients, but thanked me for my work on this show.
	Stevens-Johnson syndrome, also known as SJS, is a very serious complication that happens in less than one per million people that get any vaccines and only one in several million that have gotten MMR2 analyzed from the VAIRS data.
	SJS can lead to death in various ways and people with it can get lesions in every spot.
	One 44-year-old woman in one study got the lesions on her labia, for instance.
	Yeah.
	But a common occurrence of this, if left untreated, is that it can cause renal failure and shut down the kidneys, among other things.
	The known risk of SJS among the unvaxed, by the way, as in resulting from a measles, mumps, or rubella infection, is two to seven per million persons.
	So you get the vaccine, you run the risk of less than one per million.
	And less than one per several million for the MMR.
	But having measles, mumps, or rubellia or rubella jumps that up to being possibly two to seven people.
	Correct.
	Yeah, per year.
	So again, she is risking the lives and health of her kids with this bullshit and encouraging others to do the same.
	Now, Candace will read more of these, but it is clear that she just doesn't know when to stop.
	Keep listening.
	You would risk this.
	You would have your child risk this, these adverse reactions that I am naming to you because you are fearful that they're going to get something that you actually don't even know why you're fearful of the thing that you are trying not to get.
	You don't even know anything about rubella.
	You don't even know anything about moms, but you know that nobody gets it anymore.
	So these risks are definitely worth it.
	By the way, I should have mentioned the CDC recommends that all children get two doses of the MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 through 15 months of age.
	So again, this is the one-year-old shots, and the second dose at four through six years of age.
	Children can receive the second dose earlier as long as it is at least 28 days after the first dose.
	So let's keep going.
	So yeah, you might get Stephen Johnson syndrome.
	You might get, oh, there it is, again, a measles-like rash to avoid some measles-like rashes.
	You might get pruritis, you might get injection site reactions, you might get nerve deafness.
	Yeah, that could happen in terms of your special senses and your ear.
	You might notice that you are a little deaf and that some nerves have died.
	In terms of your eyes, you might get retinitis, you might get optic neuritis, or papillitis, or conjunctivitis.
	What about your urogenital system?
	Yeah, there are some things that happen in a randomized open-label clinical trial conducted in France and Germany and Germany.
	752 children between the ages of 12 months through 18 months of age received the MMR2 concomittenly.
	So that means that the shot is all wrapped in one, administered with Varivax at a separate site by either the intramuscular or subcutaneous route.
	Remember, that's just they're either injecting it into your muscle or they're just injecting it under your skin.
	In the overall population, 55.3% were male, and the median age was 13.2 months.
	And they noticed local and systemic solicited adverse reactions were recorded by the parents or the guardians using standardized diary cards.
	The local solicited reactions were recorded for four days after vaccination, and systemic solicited adverse reactions were recorded for 42 days after vaccination.
	In the event that a participant experienced a rash or a mumps-like illness, the thing you're trying to prevent, parents and/or guardians were instructed to contact the investigator for an examination as soon as possible.
	Yeah, she just kept going, reading through about half of the criteria for testing before realizing it was a dead end.
	She was down on page four at the end of page four for anyone following along.
	She was reading the criteria about the adverse reactions and the parent comment cards, things she has so frequently called attention to before on these shows, but she stopped now on this one without going through it.
	And why?
	Well, the sensational, salacious stuff she would love to report wasn't observed.
	I looked through it myself.
	It's all on page five of the insert, and I didn't see anything that was damning.
	I think she might have realized it and decided to pull up near the end.
	Like, it's all on there.
	And a lot of the adverse reactions that happened among the 752 children in France and Germany were pretty fucking low.
	Yeah.
	We're talking like I think 15 was the highest I saw in any column, and it was for like an itchy injection site reaction.
	I mean, that's there was like it was so absurdly low, I didn't bother reporting on it in here.
	It was just like, oh, okay, it went pretty well.
	Yeah, so now it is time for her to appeal to emotions and her version of events and anecdotal tales because we are very near the end.
	She will lie, of course, but let us allow her to proceed.
	Now, there are a lot of words on here, and you should go through and understand them all because part of Big Pharma Trip is that you don't really know what a lot of these things are.
	You're like, what does that mean?
	What is the anaphylaxis?
	So it just means you're just going to stop breathing.
	That's what it means.
	And we're going to have to inject you to keep you alive.
	When you see something like encephalitis, encephalitis is inflammation of the brain.
	They are telling you that there is a chance that your brain is going to become inflamed when you see words like encephalopathy.
	That is what they are talking about, brain damage.
	But hey, good news.
	Your child might come out brain damage, but at least they didn't get rubella.
	Right?
	Ladies and gentlemen, this is nuts.
	This is crazy.
	The trade-off here is insane.
	And to now think back to what I showed you earlier in this episode, a mom crying saying this happened to her child.
	Me telling you a personal story of someone's brother who this actually happened to.
	Think back to the audacity of these reporters and these doctors to look you in the face knowing that this is available online.
	They won't give it to you in a doctor's office in circumstances because they don't want you to go down this route.
	They make money if you don't see this.
	They make money if you're not thinking.
	They make money if you're fearful of the word measles.
	133 people.
	God, measles at Disneyland.
	Dun dun dun.
	Okay, so I'm stopping you right there.
	The actual final Disneyland numbers are 131 cases from California residents, 16 cases that spread to other states that pushed up the numbers to above 600.
	150 cases as it spread outward to other states in the immediate week afterward.
	And one confirmed case in Mexico.
	And just to recap, the mother in the five-second clip she showed from 60 Minutes was not crying.
	As I said, I don't believe her retelling of the person's story bullshit.
	You can get the FDA insert from any doctor's office.
	That is a lie that she seems incapable of not telling, even as she read from the insert herself.
	And as I said previously, doctors don't make a whole lot of money on people that can practice healthy preventative medicine practices or healthy lifestyles where applicable.
	They don't make their money on healthy persons.
	No.
	You know, the two times a year that a healthy person might use their health insurance to go get a fucking, you know, checkup pales in comparison to the amount that someone with a serious, you know, condition, or even just a condition that they live with that might not be life-threatening, but still they have to get tested for and shit.
	The amount of money they get from the two times a year people rather than from the I'm here every six weeks people or more, far different.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, far, far different.
	And also, if we had a healthcare system that wasn't profit-based, they would make people would be spending less money.
	Yeah.
	There'd be less money in medicine.
	You know, and more of a focus on preventative medicine.
	You want pizza?
	That's fine.
	Have a small one.
	Yeah.
	Don't sit down with an entire $10 Costco pizza, which we split one tonight, and there's still pizza in there.
	That's going to get consumed over the next few days.
	Yeah, you know, French pizza is the best.
	Oh, yeah.
	I still stand by my statement.
	You know, pizza is good when you can fumble either drunkenly or stonedly to either a dinner table where it was left forgotten the night previously or forgotten in the refrigerator and go, man, I want some pizza, but I don't want to heat up the house.
	And you just pull that shit out of a fucking cheeky little Ziploc bag and eat it and go, man, this is good pizza.
	Yeah, well, or just leave it in the box if the box is small enough.
	Oh, God, yeah.
	Because now you've got a plate that's cold and carry it around.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	But yeah.
	So yeah, I mean, she isn't done yet.
	There's just one more clip to go for her to wrap up the Gish Gala fucking absurd bullshit.
	Yeah, so did all of your parents and your grandparents and virtually none of them died.
	Big deal.
	You get sick sometimes.
	I'm a little under the rubber right now.
	Big deal.
	The bigger deal is Stephen Johnson's syndrome.
	The bigger deal is brain damage.
	The bigger deal are seizures.
	The bigger deal is the concept of your child never being able to live an independent life because you didn't know the facts and you couldn't make a decision consciously about what you actually wanted to do with your child.
	All right, guys, that's all I'm going to say on this topic.
	Again, more information.
	Really darkness.
	Parents just need to know this information so that they can make a decision.
	And the truth is, is I'm still not, even though I've accepted the majority of anti-vax, I'm not anti-vax.
	When somebody tells me, make a decision to vax their children, I don't go, oh my God, you're a horrible person.
	I don't think that way.
	I have made a conscious, educated decision not to vax my own children.
	That's what it is.
	And I am not ashamed of that choice.
	And what I want parents to have is the ability to be able to make real life risk assessments, not based out of fear, but based out of knowledge.
	That's it.
	That is the end goal.
	That is why we do this show.
	And I am so happy that you guys are enjoying it.
	We have come up to the end of about 45 minutes here.
	Fortunately, that is all the time that we have for today.
	As always, all of the links and the resources that we have used throughout this program is going to be posted on our show Instagram page.
	The handle is at shot in the dark DW.
	It is great.
	Go give it a follow.
	You're going to love it.
	Thank you guys so much for joining me.
	We'll see you next time.
	And hopefully that will be soon.
	Maybe I'll have a new baby.
	Maybe I'll be like breastfeeding on the go.
	Candace doing this shit at the end is especially anger-inducing to me because all of the shit she lists as risks are much higher in populations that don't vaccinate because encephalitis is higher in populations that let measles run through them.
	Same for all the other shit she mentioned.
	Much higher.
	Less than one person per many millions versus one per every 6,000.
	That number is about 166 deaths per million infected with very loose math.
	I will always find it despicable.
	This route that these grifters take, the shit they talk, the shit they are actually trying to sell, and the monstrous path they want America and other countries to go down without realizing in any way the chaos that would be set loose on everyone, including themselves, if they got just enough people to stop vaccinating.
	I shudder to think about it.
	Now, let's drink something weird.
	All right.
	Sue, put this plate over there, please.
	Yep.
	And we did not discuss what we're drinking.
	Are we down to just one?
	No, we're down to two, actually.
	Okay.
	But I figured we should have this one, likely.
	What is that?
	It is an apple one.
	Where did this come from?
	It came from the Paradise.
	Did you get it today when you were over there?
	No, no.
	We got it about a month or a little over a month ago when we first last time we went.
	I mean.
	From what I can tell, this is a because I'm reading the English baits on it here.
	This is carbonated self-drink Ascania apple.
	It is from Russia.
	It's imported by some company in New Jersey.
	Prepared water sugar complex food additive base, quotes, juice base, which is napple, natural apple juice concentrate, citric acid acidity regulator, and then natural coloring, sugar color for food and natural flavors, apples, elder acidity regulator, citric acid, and preservative sodium benzoate.
	I wonder if I give this to the elderly people that I see from time to time if it would, you know, help their acidic personalities.
	Right.
	So it's got an acidity regulator.
	One little thing.
	just want to draw your attention to that on the label.
	Well, it's carbonation.
	It's coming up.
	Wow, that is a strong apple smell.
	That is.
	That is a powerful spirit.
	Where's your glass?
	Okay, I see it.
	Okay, well, give it a pour.
	Right near the microphone.
	Yeah.
	Let me see this one.
	I couldn't imagine being a child sitting at a fucking, you know, cafeteria table.
	This is that Granny Smith candied apple-like flavor.
	Or not flavor, but tasty yet.
	Smell.
	Look at that smell.
	Yeah.
	So it's like strong Granny Smith apple candy.
	Like, you know what it is?
	You know what it smells like to me?
	Apple Jolly Ranchers.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let's try it.
	Yeah.
	I like it.
	It's the apple.
	Yeah, it's a slightly fizzy apple juice flavor.
	That's what it is.
	It's even got a little bit of the dryness.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	It's the reason why I don't like white grape juice.
	Yep.
	Yeah, it's very dry.
	It's funny because I hear white wine get described as dry.
	And like anytime I've tried it at Christmas, it never is.
	Well, that is because we don't buy bullshit.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah, actually, guys at the liquor store at the place you used to work at.
	Yeah.
	They still remember you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, yeah.
	Y'all ever get bitched out about not having actual champagne.
	Like, yeah, a guy came in a couple years ago.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that was me.
	Yeah.
	I was very angry.
	I had to go to.
	I had to get it from Kowalski's.
	And I love Kowalski's, but they have a very small liquor store at the one that I was at.
	It was in Excelsior.
	And they only had, they only had this $40 a bottle brute, which was fine.
	It was from France.
	But there is a limit I'm willing to pay.
	And that was so above the limit, but I was like, fuck, man, I need it for this recipe.
	Yeah.
	Fine, fuck it.
	I'll get two bottles.
	So, yeah.
	But yeah, no, I don't.
	I think the last bottle of dry white wine we had at Christmas time was I had gotten Prosecco to make Cocovine with.
	That's our yearly Thanksgiving and Christmas tradition type food is Cocovine, which is basically chicken in wine is what it translates to.
	Now, the recipe I was using called for champagne, but it said, you know, you can use Prosecco in a pinch.
	And I was like, man, I don't know, but all right.
	So we used the Prosecco, and you only use about two glasses worth.
	So there were two glasses worth left in the bottle.
	And we had that, and fuck, Prosecco sucks.
	I don't like it.
	I haven't bought it since.
	I refuse.
	There's a reason, people, why Prosecco is typically like eight bucks a bottle, and the champagne next to it, right next to it, will be $20.
	You pay that $20.
	You suck it up.
	You reach down, you grab whatever just reproductive organ you have, and you go, I am a human being, and I will enjoy this little bit of life.
	And you get the French champagne.
	Do not buy that.
	Look, Italy, I love a lot of what you do, but Prosecco fucking blows.
	You shouldn't be making it.
	No one should drink it.
	I've never in my life had a good one.
	Even Australian bullshit wannabe champagne is better than Prosecco.
	And it has no reason to be better.
	Fucking hate it.
	California makes a better champagne, and I am critical of that.
	No, you want champagne, you buy French.
	That said, we got a really interesting one this year, the other day.
	The London Buyerly's was having a buy one, get one half off sale.
	Oh, yeah, the fall wine sale they have.
	On all their wines, yeah.
	And they had champagnes, and they were from France.
	Now, here's the kicker: the two bottles that I got, the champagne was made in France, but they were bottled here in St. Paul.
	So they were far cheaper than the ones bottled in France.
	Now, that said, some of the French bottles had some very pretty labels.
	And that's not entirely true either.
	Not about the labels.
	They were fine.
	One bottle was metal.
	Like metal and glass.
	Yeah, it's gorgeous.
	It's also $140.
	That's fair.
	Oh, I know one of the LMBs gone into the liquor store.
	They had the something 14th.
	Louis XIV?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They had a bottle of it.
	In its box still.
	Yeah.
	Untouched.
	Yeah, that is an absurd product to find anywhere in the wild.
	I explained it to a guy that was behind the counter off of what you did, told me about it.
	And he's like.
	15, but that's so expensive for like a bottle of wine?
	And he like pulled it.
	He didn't pull it out of the box, but he opened up the wine cabinet, he pulled it out, and he's standing there and he's holding it and he's looking around it and he's like, this just feels like a bottle of that.
	What?
	I'm like, that bottle you're handling is not glass.
	No.
	That is crystal.
	Yeah.
	And he goes, oh.
	Yeah.
	Gently put it back in.
	Yeah.
	You do not fuck with that.
	You do not fuck with that.
	Yeah, no.
	Fucking.
	Yeah, Louis XIV is one of those renowned liquors that if someone offers to buy you a shot, you take it and you sip that bitch.
	You do not slam it back.
	No.
	Unless your host does.
	Probably because they're a vile cretin and they slam it back.
	Go for it.
	But if they're not, you don't.
	I'm just going to say, if ever I'm in the company of such people and I see one of them slam it back, they've probably had a rough day and this isn't going to be the first shot I'm passed.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	It's typically sold in one-ounce shots.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, no, it's, I've got it one time.
	I'm lucky.
	I'm glad I was sober when I had it so that I can remember it.
	It is uniquely delicious.
	But yeah, they fucking.
	So yeah, they did have.
	I did want to say that they did have a rosé champagne from France.
	It's from this brand called Yes Way Rose.
	Yeah, I've seen those.
	Those are a product of France.
	And I've had their rosé and it's actually quite good.
	It's cheap, but it's good.
	It's proof that champagne doesn't need to be expensive to be good.
	Yeah.
	Like a couple of the years there where I made the Cocovine, I had gotten this champagne blend from this American producer that got it from France.
	It was like 10 bucks a bottle.
	I bought four of them.
	I used that for like two years for the Cocovine.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, this year it's going to be that champagne, of course.
	And the main protein we're going to do is silky chickens.
	Oh.
	Which is the black chicken.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we found out we can get them over at the Dragonstar supermarket.
	So yeah.
	That's surprisingly not surprising.
	Yeah.
	It's the same place we can get guinea pig, right?
	Or was that the super mercado?
	Right, the super mercado.
	Yeah, that was the super mercado.
	No, Dragonstar is where we had gotten the pheasant the previous year.
	Right, yeah, yeah.
	And the, the, that, that Korean sandwich.
	Not Korean sandwich, Vietnamese.
	Vietnamese.
	Bonh mi.
	Yeah, the banh mi.
	Yeah, you got the bonh me at the deli.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Which, I'm sure I've said this before, but if you go to a foreign establishment of any sort in the U.S. and the person behind the counter clearly don't speak English that well, don't give them shit and don't try to communicate.
	Just nod your head yes.
	Say to the best of your ability what you want off that menu.
	And if it sounds foreign as shit and they just start pointing at things going, you just go, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	And then enjoy whatever the fuck it is that they hand you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because the odds are it's going to be delicious no matter what.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, this clocked in at three and a half hours.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	I was kind of right.
	It felt like it was going to be a four-hour episode.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	And this is terrifyingly terrible.
	Just the worst.
	I had to spend so much time in fucking research.
	I was so afraid of this episode when I had this, when I really got into it, because I was like, I would listen to a clip and go, fuck, I have to cut that.
	Fuck.
	I have to go look at that.
	Fuck.
	You know.
	But this to me is the most important one yet because measles is making a comeback because these people are fucking morons.
	And especially when they do it because they're like, oh, well, you know, there was a study back in 1998.
	Now the audience is forewarned.
	You are forewarned.
	You have the knowledge.
	The links are in the stack.
	Go forth.
	Learn.
	Combat the ignorance.
	Fucking please.
	Please combat the ignorance.
	I can't do it all.
	Ah!
	The kitty is attacking him because he's deserving of it.
	Okay.
	All right, everybody.
	That's it.
	Have a great time, and we hope to be back in the next couple of weeks.
	If not, it's because the research is kicking my ass, just like it did with this one.
	All right.
	Bye.

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