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ADL Demands More Censorship of Tucker, Hasan Piker, Nick Fuentes, and More; Plus: Glenn's Debate About Iran on Piers Morgan

The ADL demands more censorship for Tucker, Hasan Piker, and Nick Fuentes. Plus: at timecode 36:55, a clip from Glenn's debate about Iran on Piers Morgan. Watch the full debate here.  -------------------------------- Watch full episodes on Rumble, streamed LIVE 7pm ET. Become part of our Locals community Follow System Update:  Twitter Instagram TikTok Facebook  

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Good evening.
It's Thursday, January 15th.
Welcome to a new episode of System Update, our live nightly show, exclusively here on Rumble, the free speech alternative to YouTube tonight.
As we have at length reported the acquisition of Paramount and CBS News by David Ellison, who's part of the family led by Larry Ellison, the single largest ever donor to the Friends of the IDF and a fanatical supporter of Israel.
And then the resulting elevation of Barry Weiss, an equally fanatical loyalist to Israel as editor-in-chief of CBS News was designed to become a propaganda outlet for the state of Israel to stem the tide of the unraveling support for Israel in the United States, among other things.
It was also the reason that Larry and David Ellison are now trying to buy Warner Brothers and take it from Netflix so they control that studio as well as media outlets at properties like Discover and CNN, as well as Larry Ellison being the head of the consortium about to take control of the social media app TikTok.
That's a lot of power.
And we're already seeing CBS News turn itself into Israeli state propaganda.
And they disseminated information that is extremely dubious that no other media outlet came close to reporting that predictably caused Israel loyalists around the world to immediately seize on and declare his truth.
And it's important to look at that event, but also look at what it illustrates about what the Ellison family and Barry Weiss are really up to.
And then secondly, I was on a show, a program of Piers Morgan yesterday, and I was part of a panel discussion debating U.S. intervention in Iran.
And as some of you may know, my policy is I just generally don't do panels.
I'm asked to do them all the time.
But in general, they just degrade into screaming matches.
Sometimes they're constructed and intended to do that.
So you're just like a monkey throwing poop at other monkeys for the benefit of the show and the enjoyment of the audience.
I don't believe in screaming over people or trying to interrupt or just yell and scream for time or for attention.
It's just not something.
I may have done it earlier in my career when I didn't have a lot of options, but it's not something I want to do.
So I say no a lot to panels in general and to this show in particular.
But I will go on under very rare circumstances, which is where I feel like the people who are on with me are going to be at least reasonably well behaved, not like act like circus sideshows.
And more importantly, if it's an issue where I really feel like I want to say things, that's a big audience, Piers Morgan, not one that we necessarily reach.
And if I really want to, if I really feel like it's an important issue where I want to say things that aren't being said, I'll go on and for the good of the cause, subject myself, sacrifice my own self-interest and endure panel discussions.
So we're going to show you part of the panel discussion.
The other panelists were Jorge Ramos and Anna Kasparian and a woman whose name I wasn't familiar with previously.
And when I promoted it first on Twitter, people got angry with me that I didn't know her name.
So I'm not going to make that mistake.
This time I'm going to tell you what her name is.
It's a very important piece of information.
She is someone who identifies as an Iranian, even though she's a Jewish woman and hardcore Israel supporter who has long lived in the United States.
Her name is Lisa Daftari, who describes herself as a foreign policy analyst.
So, anyway, that's her.
And as you might predict, she is the person demanding the United States go and help regime change what she considers to be her country, even though she doesn't live there and hasn't for a long time.
And she said some extraordinary things.
Like I said, I try not to interrupt on these panel discussions.
But one of the things she said was just so shockingly false, offensively so, that I couldn't help myself.
But it was important to just instantly smash that claim.
But it ends up being, I think, a pretty substantive debate about this issue.
So we're going to show you kind of the meat of that segment.
And I think that will be a good show.
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The Anti-Defamation League has long branded itself as this kind of pro-civil liberties, pro-civil rights, anti-discrimination organization.
It was long perceived as kind of a standard liberal civil rights group.
It has long ceased being that.
Of course, it was formed as well to combat anti-Semitism, but believed all those other causes I just mentioned were connected to that cause.
None of that is what the ADL does anymore.
The Anti-Defamation League is basically nothing more than a pro-Israel organization.
Doesn't even care about anti-Semitism as long as they're pro-Israel.
But mostly what it has become is one of the leading and arguably, I would say, the most effective censorship organizations in the United States, succeeding like nobody else in getting people silenced and removed and deplatformed and banned.
And not just that, but operating at a higher level order of censorship where they were a major player in the ban of TikTok and the forced sale of it to people who were loyalists of Israel.
They have been working hard to get legislation requiring punishments for big tech companies if they allow what the ADL considers to be anti-Semitism, which of course means criticism of Israel.
And earlier today, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt, went before a synagogue and argued that several of the most influential and well-watched voices who are critical of Israel in the United States ought to be censored.
And he specifically singled out Tucker Carlson, Hassan Piker, Nick Fuentes, and Candace Owens.
Let me first show you what he said, but then show you the history of the last several years leading up to how the ADL has built itself into an organization that basically dictates the limits of speech for American citizens, at least when it comes to Israel and Jews.
Here's first of all what Jonathan Greenblatt said today.
Jonathan, can you comment on Nick Fuentes and what do you actually do that effectively can counter what he does?
And what are your expectations of the government to be critical of a person that has that kind of platform?
So for everyone's benefit, the question was: can I comment on Nick Fuentes and what he does?
And what are you doing to counter him?
And what's the government's role?
By the way, his second name is Joseph, a good Jewish name.
Nick Fuentes' second name is Joseph?
Yes.
Look, his last name is Fuentes.
Nick Fuentes is a Hispanic person, okay?
He is an open, unapologetic, racist, homophobe, and more than anything, an anti-Semite.
He's a toxic, disgusting person.
And yet.
By the way, Nick Fuentes is a Hispanic person.
I don't know why that's even relevant, but he's one quarter Hispanic.
His paternal grandfather is Mexican.
The rest of his family is white, if that matters.
But it seems to do Jonathan Greenblatt.
And ironically, if somebody had a paternal grandfather who was Jewish, they would not be considered Jewish under Jewish law, under how Israel defines Jews.
You're only Jewish if you have a Jewish mother.
But in any event, here's the rest of what he says.
Thanks to X and social media, he's been incredibly effective at getting his message out there.
I mean, social media is a super spreader of anti-Semitism and hate.
And people like Nick Fuentes, they're like patient zero spreading this.
And look, it didn't help us when candidate, whatever you'd call him, former President Trump had him over for dinner, like at Mar-a-Lago a few years ago.
And it doesn't help us that when given the opportunity, people in positions of power don't renounce this guy.
Now, look, to his credit, JD Vance has done that, but we have this challenge right now on the right.
And it's like a good thing because there are bad voices who've been elevated.
Like, look, Nick Fuentes is disgusting.
Tucker Carlson is disgusting.
Candace Owens is disgusting and so on.
But there have been good people like Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin.
All right.
So in case you're wondering what this is about, if it's not unbelievably obvious, the good people are Ted Cruz, Ben Shapiro, and Mark Levin.
And what do they all have in common?
They have a single-minded, obsessive, unyielding devotion toward the foreign country of Israel.
The bad people are Ben Shapiro, are Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and he's soon going to get to Hassan Piker for whom he evidently harbors the most visceral hatred.
And the only thing they have in common is that they're critics of Israel.
This is not about anti-Semitism.
It's not about racism.
It's about whether Americans have the right or not to criticize Israel.
And his dividing line, like so many Zionists in the United States, Israel loyalists in the United States, is you're a good person if you worship and revere and serve and devote yourself to the state of Israel.
And you're an evil, malicious, disgusting person if you don't.
Who are pushing back on these Speaker Johnson, pushing back on these revolting lunatics?
So to answer the question, I think the only way we are going to defeat the rising anti-Semitism on the right is from the right.
I think the only way we're going to defeat the rising anti-Zionism on the left is by people on the left.
So what I try to do at ADL, what we try to do, is to provide data, is to provide tools, is to step up, but often quietly behind the scenes.
It doesn't help.
I don't think it helps the Jewish people, and it doesn't disarm them when I go after Nick Fuentes or Hassan Piker, a revolting person.
You should call him Hamas Piker.
He's here in LA and he's a just a putrid says horrible slanderous things about Jews, about Zionists, about Israel.
I wonder how long ADL had consultants workshopping that.
We call them Hamas Piker.
So clever.
The irony about Hamas Piker is that Hamas Piker never talks about Jews.
The idea that he says disgusting things about Jews.
I'm sure he says very insulting things about Jewish individuals, but if that makes someone anti-Semitic, it's that whole left liberal framework for that that prevailed for so long.
If you criticize Hillary Clinton, you're a misogynist.
If you criticize Obama, you're racist.
If you criticize Jasmine Crockett, as we're seeing rejuvenation of, then it means you're both misogynist and racist.
Not only does Hassan Piker not talk about Jews as a group, when he does, he often goes out of his way.
I would suggest sometimes very defensively and performatively.
And maybe that's just what you need to do or you feel like you need to do.
If you're a person of Turkish descent and Muslim who's criticizing Israel as opposed to, say, a Jewish person who has a lot more leeway.
But not only does he go out of his way to constantly say this is anti-Semitic.
He actually accuses, I think, very unfairly and libelously, but he does people like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens of not having any genuine concern for the Palestinian people, but themselves being motivated solely by anti-Semitism.
And that's the only reason why they're critical of Israel.
I mean, if anybody models the ADL's approach, it's Hassan Piker.
But notice he has a particular disdain for Hassan Piker because I do think that criticism and opposition of Israel from the left is regarded as far more threatening to them.
They trust that the American right will serve Israel.
They have their Ted Cruz's and Mike Johnson's and Donald Trump's.
So anyway, let's continue.
I mean, I think there's absolutely nothing remotely anti-Semitic about Tucker Carlson or Hassan Piker.
Not even arguable.
The only thing they have in common is that they're both critics of Israel and U.S. financing of it.
But let's take a look at the rest.
It's a big platform.
Yeah, so you might not know Hassan Piker, but if your kids are watching video games, you better believe they do.
Because on Twitch and on Steam, he's everywhere, let alone on YouTube and Insta.
What is Steam?
I mean, he is big on Twitch.
And also, Hassan Piker doesn't really play video games, I don't think, at least not anymore.
He just does political commentary.
But anyway.
So anyways, long story short, we definitely are working a lot to try to get the platforms to kind of enforce their own terms of service so that we can pull down the most offensive hate speech or get them to do it.
But I need people on the right to take down Tucker Carlson.
So I'm trying to help Ted Cruz.
I need people on the right to take down Nick Fuentes.
So I'm trying to help people like Ben.
And same thing on the left.
I do just want to say when I talked in the sermon about the nuance of every human being and how we're all children, I didn't mean Nick Fuentes.
I guess I was a rabbi saying in his sermon, he was talking about how we're all children of God and all human beings, but he wanted to make clear he doesn't think Nick Fuentes is one.
In any event, all of that was fine in the sense that it was just Jonathan Greenblatt spewing venom at people who criticize Israel, at American citizens who dare to question why we're financing Israel.
And you can vehemently disagree, as I do, especially with his view that that's anti-Semitism.
That was all fine.
It was at the end when he said we're working intensively to make sure the platform silence these people.
And you notice he was particularly critical of X and heaping scorn on X for being responsible for the fact that Nick Fuentes can be heard.
This is what the ADL does.
They pretend that they're opposed to racism or bigots, but what they're really about is using the massive power of the pro-Israel lobby, the Jewish lobby, if we're being honest, to censor American citizens off of the internet, out of corporations, bullying corporations to destroy the livelihood of people who criticize Israel.
And that last part gave the lie away that this is what the ADL is really all about.
Now, this is not a new thing.
This is not to start happening since October 7th.
The ADL, working with the Israeli government, has been monomaniacally focused on getting laws passed designed to punish social media companies, big tech, if they permit anti-Semitic language.
Of course, that includes, as the ADL sees it, any real criticism of Israel or Zionism.
Here is a Times of Israel article from 2020.
The ADL tells Congress to curb online hate speech if social media giants won't.
Appearing before House committee, the House committee, Jonathan Greenbott says Silicon Valley firms should have tackled anti-Semitism proliferating on their platforms long ago.
So it's not just that he's trying to force big tech companies to ban people like Tucker Carlson, Hassan Piker, Nick Funtes, whoever criticized Israel.
He wants the Congress, and as you're going to see, he has a lot of influence in Congress.
He wants Congress to ban social media platforms or require them to ban and silence and censor and remove people who are critical of Israel.
Here's the article that goes on: quote: The head of the Anti-Defamation League told House lawmakers Wednesday to craft legislation.
Listen to this.
The head of the ADL, it's not like he advocated or suggested or requested.
He told House lawmakers Wednesday to craft legislation that would force social media giants to take neo-Nazis and others spewing anti-Semitic hatred off the platforms if the companies won't do so on their own.
You just heard it doesn't just include people who say, oh, Hitler was right.
We got to bring back Auschwitz.
No, it's a way broader definition of that.
It includes people in his mind like Tucker Carlson and Hassan Piker who are anti-Semitic only if you think criticizing Israel and opposing Israel is anti-Semitic.
And he wants Congress to ban them, despite the fact that we actually have a constitution that prohibits that.
He goes on in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security, Jonathan Greenbott said that the rise of anti-Semitic incidents in the United States was due in part to bigoted voices being amplified on Facebook, Twitter, and other websites.
It's long overdue for the social media companies to step up and shut down the neo-Nazis on their platform, he told Congress.
Companies like Twitter and Facebook need to apply the same energy to protecting vulnerable users that they apply to protecting their corporate profits.
I mean, this is stuff that is unbelievably pernicious.
But the ADL succeeded in getting lawmakers to carry out their orders.
In fact, it was a bipartisan cast that is now introducing something like the Stop Hate Act that would fine social media companies $5 million a day if they permitted what the ADL considers or what some committee considers to be hateful speech, which would obviously mean anti-Semitism and criticism of Israel.
Listen to, watch this scene here.
It's so symbolic.
Legislation will require social media.
You have two members of Congress: Josh Scottmeyer, a Democrat of New Jersey, a fanatical Israel supporter, and Don Bacon, who is a Republican from Nebraska.
And they both come forward to argue for this law, forcing social media companies to remove the speech that the ADL wants.
And you see here, Jonathan Greenblatt is standing watching them like some sort of minder or mafia boss.
And you see his posture.
He's in charge.
And he's looking at the members of Congress he owns as they do his bidding.
And at one point, they even pay homage to him and express gratitude toward him.
Let's just watch the spectacle.
This is how Washington works.
This is how censorship is exercised in the United States through the Congress.
This bipartisan legislation will require social media companies to release detailed public reports of violations of their terms of service and to outline how they're addressing these violations, which includes the use of their platforms by Paris Bruce.
Every day, companies don't report this information.
It will result in a $5 million fine.
Social media companies can no longer hide the crimes that take place on their platforms, especially when they pose a threat to America's national security.
And we're very proud this bill has the backing of the anti-defamation league.
I'm so proud.
I'm so proud that our censorship bill has the backing of the ADL.
It doesn't just have the backing of the ADL.
They created the bill and they gave you their marching orders for you to sponsor it.
Now you are while the head of the ADL stands there looking at you with his arms folded in front of him and his chest extended, knowing that he dictates to the American Congress what the limits of the speech of speech rights are of American citizens.
This is Don Bacon, the Republican from Nebraska.
Anti-Semitism for the first time I was 15 years old.
I had good parents who taught me it was wrong, but it loved to love the lasting impression of seeing my first incident as a teenager.
And if you're on my social media, you see it every day from people that are responding back with what I consider clearly anti-Semitic kind of messages on social media.
I even saw a article today.
It was about me talking about Rail Pose congressmen who are pro-Zionists, right?
Now, I don't know.
I find that maybe I'm being an IP naive here kind of amazing.
They should at least pretend they're doing it on their own without their ADL boss standing next to them, given that they're introducing bills that would limit the speech rates of American citizens when it comes to America, to Israel and to Jews.
But the ADL has been at this for multiple years now.
This is their primary project, their top priority to censor speech rights of American citizens.
Here is, I reported on a ADL report in 2024, and they you can see at the bottom, the ADL tweet promoted as report anti-Semitic content.
So they're telling people, report anti-Semitic content on social media platforms and expect nothing to happen.
Research from the ADL Center for Technology and Society shows that five major platforms are still failing to enforce their policies.
So they're whining that big tech platforms aren't censoring enough content that they consider to be anti-Semitic.
Do you understand that they don't want free speech in the United States?
They don't believe in it.
They don't want criticism of Israel to be freely expressed.
They don't want you to be able to talk about the pro-Israel lobby.
They consider all of that anti-Semitic.
And here is part of The report that I highlighted: quote: Social media platforms are still falling far too short when it comes to moderating anti-Semitic and anti-Israel content, said Jonathan Greenblatt, ADL CEO and national director.
In the aftermath of the unprecedented Hamas attack on Israel on October 7th, Jewish users are encountering more anti-Semitic slurs and harassment on social media than ever before.
It's hard.
It's not hard to detect this hate, but it takes leadership to consistently enforce the rules.
I mean, I love the moments when they come out and just stop pretending that they're actually only concerned about anti-Semitic speech.
Trying to censor that would be about enough.
But I love the moments when they're candid about the fact that what they're really upset about is anti-Israel speech.
You should not, as an American, they believe, be permitted to criticize this foreign country without suffering punishments, either at the hands of big tech or Congress that forces big tech to punish you.
It's a legislative project they've been working on.
They have people on the march to do it.
They've gotten people banned and fired for so long in the United States for the crime of saying things they dislike about Israel.
Here's an incident that a lot of people have forgotten, in part because the commentator who was fired by CNN for his anti-Israel comment, Mark Lamont Hill, is unpopular among conservatives.
And a lot of them cheered it, even while still pretending to be free speech advocates or anti-cancel culture advocates.
But this was in 2018.
CNN ends the contract with contributor Mark Lamont Hill after his speech on Israel.
The move comes after the Anti-Defamation League and other groups condemned Hill for advocating a boycott.
He advocated a boycott of Israel.
You're absolutely allowed to do that.
He called for Palestine to be free from the river to the sea.
You don't have to like that phrase.
Americans have the absolute right to express it, but not if you want to work in media.
Because the ADL can and will get you fired and has done so many times.
Now, one of the main obsessions that the ADL has had has been trying to get Tucker Carlson silenced.
You just heard at the beginning, Jonathan Reeblatt demanding that.
When he was at Fox News, the ADL was on a constant crusade aimed at the Murdochs, Fox's advertisers, Fox's affiliates to try and get Tucker Carlson fired for a quote-unquote anti-Semitic speech.
They were obsessed with it.
Here is an article in the Washington Post: ADL demands Fox News fire Tucker Carlson over anti-Semitic trope.
This has deadly significance.
This was April 12th, 2021.
And then CNN, Brian Stelter in particular, hosted Jonathan Reeblatt because he was so excited to be able to call Tucker Carlson anti-Semite and racist and to have the ADL blame Fox for tolerating Tucker's anti-Semitism.
And Jonathan Greenblatt went on CNN and talked about how Fox is incredibly immoral for keeping Tucker Carlson on the air.
Listen to this.
Right.
And, you know, people like Lou Dobbs on the Fox Network or Glenn Beck before him got great ratings with their wild, racist, and ugly conspiracy theories.
So what do we want Fox to do?
I mean, first and foremost, Tucker has got to go.
Again, I think it is a risk, not just to the corporation.
Do you hear every time they're speaking, they speak in the language of command and imperative?
Like when they went before Congress and said the ADL instructed Congress.
Here he is saying Tucker has got to go off FOX.
Like who is Jonathan Greenblatt to determine the rules of acceptable discourse in America for Americans?
Tucker was the most popular cable host by far in the history of the medium.
Americans wanted to watch him and they were.
But because he strays from what the ADL thinks is the proper lines for how you can talk about Israel, now FOX has to be fired, has to fire him, or they'll go after Fox's advertisers and shareholders and affiliates.
Yes, that's exactly what they're saying.
It's a risk to our society to be promoting these anti-Semitic and racist myths that literally were used by people on January the 6th to try to not just interfere with the election, but to murder lawmakers.
I mean, I all right.
So as it turns out, just like Mark Lomont Hill and so many other people, the ADL demanded to be fired, Tucker did get fired by Fox News in 2023 at the height of his ratings success.
And here's the Times of Israel.
ADL hails Fox News for the long sought ouster of Tucker Carlson.
U.S. groups, U.S. group head says Taybi Anchor, who was network's most watched host, used his primetime show to spew anti-Semitic, racist, xenophobic, and anti-LGBT hate to millions.
Yeah, the anti-Defamation League doesn't care about racist, xenophobic, anti-LGBT.
You can be as anti-LGBT as you want.
Do you see the ADL ever calling for Matt Walsh to be fired by the Delawire?
One of the most obsessively and psychotically anti-LGBT commentators to exist in American media in a long, long time.
Like his obsessive focus.
Of course not, because he's not a critic of Israel.
They don't care about anti-LGBT or anti-racist speech.
I've always said that if Nick Fuentes said everything that he says, but just didn't have the part where he criticizes Israel and the Jewish lobby in the United States, nobody would be upset about Nick Funtes.
There are a lot of people as quote unquote racist or homophobic as Nick Funtes.
That's not anybody's concern with him.
It's always about Israel.
And that's why the ADL celebrated Tucker Carlson's firing, and it's not enough for them.
They want him banned from social media.
Now, one of the things that I continue to believe is among the most overlooked events in terms of its importance is the fact that the United States took one of the most popular social media apps in the country that 90 million Americans, a third of the country roughly, were choosing voluntarily to use, which was TikTok by far the most influential and popular among Americans' young people.
And originally back in 2020, people wanted to ban it because they said China controlled it and we don't want Chinese control, but that never went anywhere.
The ban on TikTok never got close to being passed when it was just about China.
It only gained momentum after October 7th when the Democrats were protesting Israel and turning against Israel.
There's too much anti-Israel speech allowed on TikTok, by which they meant that people were seeing the slaughter and massacres that Israel was doing every day.
And God did the White House under Joe Biden and the Democratic Party leadership join with Republicans to say, let's ban TikTok.
And everyone admits it was Judah Israel and not China.
And one of the people who kicked this off, kicked off the ball to ban TikTok, was Jonathan Greenblatt, who went on a mission to get TikTok banned, or at least to convince people that TikTok was at the root of all evil.
Here he was on Mooring Joe in late 2023, talking about how TikTok is ruining America because it's turning people against Israel.
We need to talk about TikTok.
TikTok, if you will, is the 24-7 news channel of so many of our young people.
And it's like Al Jazeera on steroids, amplifying and intensifying the anti-Semitism and the anti-Zion with no repercussions.
Again, I'm happy when people say that.
We've had a lot of people who come out and said about the TikTok ban, this is because of Israel.
And now the sale of TikTok that Donald Trump engineered is being purchased by a consortium led by Larry Ellison, a fanatical Zionist, the largest ever private donor to the IDF, who just spot Paramount and CBS and is quickly turning CBS News into an arm of state TV for Israel.
We did a report on that yesterday, trying to buy Werner Brothers as well and own not just CBS and Paramount and TikTok, but Warner Brothers, the Discovery Network, CNN.
There's an incredible, incredibly dangerous concentration in the hands of one of the two richest people in the world whose devotion and loyalty is to a foreign country.
And the ADL has absolutely been behind this.
Several months ago, when Benjamin Netanyahu met with American influencers, the Wall Street Journal just reported, many of which are being paid to advocate for Israel.
Netanyahu said the greatest success in Israel's war, one major part of which is the battle to control social media, was the forced sale of TikTok to Larry Ellison.
That's what Netanyahu considers to be one of the greatest successes for Israel.
That now American citizens will be severely restricted in what they can say inside their own country on the social media app they were using about Israel, because now it's in the hands of Larry Ellison.
They have an IDF soldier, a woman, an American woman who went to Israel, didn't join the American army, which is her country, joined the Israeli army because that's her loyalty.
And she's now the head chief censor for all matters relating to Israel and anti-Semitism.
If you can't see what's happening here, it's because you don't want to.
And the ADL is absolutely at the spearhead of the attempt to censor critics of Israel who have any influence or effect in order to stop the trend of unraveling support for Israel inside the United States.
Here's a linked audio of Jonathan Greenblatt talking about in Israel, TikTok.
United States' support for Israel is not left and right.
It is young and old.
And the numbers of young people who think that Clevant's massacre was justified is shockingly and terrifyingly high.
And so we really have a TikTok problem.
I mean, how many different ways can you hear it?
When Jonathan Greenblatt comes out, when any of the pro-Israel lobby groups come out, when any of the Jewish advocacy groups come out and demand censorship of people, we're working to get social media to crack down on Tekker Carlson and Hassan Piker, Nick Flentes.
It shouldn't matter what your politics are or what your views of Israel are.
You should be aggressively defiant about the right of the pro-Israel lobby and the ADL and John Binkriblat to dictate to Americans inside the United States what our speech rights are when it comes to Israel.
And no, you don't get to censor people who are critical of the foreign country that you have been trained from infancy to revere and to have ultimate loyalty to.
I mean, at least left-wing censorship was ostensibly about protecting Americans.
It was completely misguided, authoritarian.
But at least the argument was, oh, we're protecting black people in the United States or trans people in the United States or women, whatever.
At least like the theory was we're trying to protect Americans.
I was vehemently against that, still am.
But I'm just saying this censorship doesn't even have that pretense.
It's about censoring Americans for the benefit of another country, a foreign country.
This should be revolting.
It is utterly un-American and unconstitutional.
It's an absolute assault on every right that, according to our founding documents, were guaranteed by God and at least by the Constitution.
And the ADL is the spearhead of that.
And they're getting desperate.
And that's why they just came out today and called for the absolute censorship of people, both on the right and the left, who are among the most popular and influential spokespeople who have nothing in common with one another, except that they're critical of Israel.
I couldn't disagree with that more for two reasons.
First of all, Americans protest what their government does because that's what they can influence.
They protested the Vietnam War that the U.S. was waging.
They protested U.S. support for the apartheid regime of South Africa because that's what the U.S. was doing.
They protest the U.S. support and financing and arming of Israel's destruction of Gaza because that was what the United States was doing.
The United States isn't supporting Iran.
What would these protests, what would their impact be?
The reason why people protest is because they want their government to change their policy.
That's the first thing.
The second thing is I think most people understand, although it's completely excluded from Western elite political and media discourse, that the United States and Great Britain love tyranny of this kind.
The United States and Great Britain not just do business with, but prop up and keep in power some of the worst, most repressive savage tyrannies on the planet in Saudi Arabia, in the United Arab Emirates, in Egypt, in all kinds of countries in that region, in Uganda, in Rwanda.
Why aren't people going out on the street and protesting that?
And nobody asks about that.
And I think the reason is, is because they that the argument here, the real, what's really driving this concern about Iran is not that we're so concerned about repression and tyranny because we're such great humanitarians, because the U.S. has done more to remove democratically elected governments and install dictatorships than the other way around.
It's because Iran is viewed as a geopolitical enemy of the United States and Israel.
And that's why so few people care about repression in our greatest allies in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and the like.
But I think the main one is the question is they're protesting U.S. policy when they protest what's going on in Gaza and the U.S. isn't supporting Iran.
Yeah, no, I would say to that, I'll come to you now, Lisa, but I would say to that, that doesn't stop a Hollywood star standing up in a public platform like Golden Globes, where they were all supporting, for example, the woman who was shot dead by the ICE officer.
They were a lot of them supporting still what's happening in Gaza and the people, the Palestinian people.
None of them wanted to express public support for the Iranian people.
And I was distrusted by that.
So I think you don't have to protest necessarily as publicly offer support.
I'm not seeing much of that from the people who've been leading the calls for people to support and show empathy for the Palestinians.
Do you feel there is a double standard in the way this has been treated?
Absolutely.
There is a huge hypocrisy in the way that most people in the West have even paid attention to what's going on in Iran over the last two weeks.
In just three days, we don't have an exact death toll, but it could be more people than have been killed in Gaza in over the three years that we had that war.
But why are you saying, oh my God, I mean, can I speak?
You know what?
What this is.
Wait, go ahead.
Go ahead.
But that is just a lot of people.
Anyone shouldn't just invent statistics.
You shouldn't just invent statistics.
Oh, you're not privileged.
Where do you live?
Where do you live?
You're not.
I'm talking about the Iranian people.
I will never, I will never take away from the fight of the Iranian people because of where I say, you know why I do not.
I'm not taking away from the Iranian people.
I just don't want people to lie about them.
And I don't want my government intervening militarily.
I'm not cutting my hair and not losing my life for it.
That's where I feel privileged.
This whole conversation, Pierce, points to the people.
I'm totally privileged.
You're totally privileged.
Don't use that as an argument to weaponize.
Why are you speaking over there?
You don't want to hear what you're saying.
You made an accusation.
Hang on a second.
Let's not all talk at the same time.
I think we can say this.
I think, Lisa, hang on, Lisa, hang on.
Let's just get to some reported facts as we understand them.
In Gaza, it has been reported widely that the death toll is around 70 to 80,000.
Now, that is a matter of conjecture.
People say it could be higher.
Some have said it may be too high.
But that is the general accepted.
Reports came out that we're talking about.
And most of those were terrible.
But that's a period.
We have to talk facts.
Lisa, let me finish.
Let me finish.
Those lies don't matter.
But that's in a period of over two years, okay?
And then we come to what's happened here.
And it's been reported, admitted by the Iranians, that it's at least 2,000.
Other reports, CBS say they believe from what they're hearing on the ground, it could be 12,000 or more.
And we don't know.
We don't know because the internet has been turned off.
Information flow is terrible.
The footage we're seeing, most of it is old footage, regurgitated for propaganda purposes on all sides.
We just don't really know what's going on.
So you look, you might be right.
But Glenn is also right to write.
But hang on, Lisa.
Let me finish, Lisa.
Glenn might be, I think he's understandably saying, hang on a second.
You've got to say glibly, not you are being glib, but just to throw out there the idea that 70,000 people have been killed.
just don't know that.
Can I pick up where 40?
We don't even have to focus on the last two weeks.
Why don't we focus on 47 years?
Thousands and thousands have been killed for a mere Facebook post, for showing their hair, for dressing a certain way, for being an athlete, for being a journalist, pushed off the top of a building as a medical student because they were protesting peacefully against the government.
Can we talk about the fact that in 1979, this government came in and launched an ideological war that all of you are victims to that are spewing these talking points?
Why?
Because they wanted to remember ISIS that we were all afraid of.
Why?
Because we're not foot soldiers for the Zionists.
Is that why?
Because we're not foot soldiers for Zionists.
The same Zionists that are trying to co-opt an organic uprising in Iran and we ruin it.
Is that why?
They want to export, export their ideology.
And that is why they are a threat to the United States.
They are a threat to Europe.
And of course, a threat to the region and to the Iranian people.
They're not a threat to the United States.
They're a threat to Israel.
And that's what you're primarily.
You're a threat to the United States.
And if you cared about the people of Iran, which I do, don't talk over each other.
Don't co-opt that.
Lisa, the anna and essentially insurance.
Please don't talk over each other or no one can hear either of you.
Anna.
I'm sure they could hear me.
No, I'm just saying.
I mean, look, the people of Iran deserve the type of leadership and government they want.
And I hate the fact that an organic demonstration has effectively been co-opted by Israeli interests who brag almost on a daily basis at this point about how they have Mossad on the ground.
Mossad bragged about it.
Amishai Eliyahu, who is the cultural minister in Israel, bragged about it.
Israeli papers are bragging about it.
Mike Pompeo, former Secretary of State, is bragging about it.
Okay, having those types of insidious actors co-opting that demonstration is going to be to the detriment of Iran.
And if Iranians want freedom, installing a Shah, installing a monarch who hasn't lived in the country for 47 years makes absolutely no sense.
My heart prays for the Iranian people.
What they want is being exploited.
Lisa, let me bring in.
I want to bring in Hori.
He's been listening very patiently to this.
Joy, you've covered Iran, like so many other issues, for a very long time.
My first question to you, do you believe we are, as the Chancellor of Germany has suggested, we are seeing now the beginning of the end of this regime, or do you think that is fanciful?
Well, hopefully it's going to be the beginning of the end.
I mean, we've been following the massacres that have been happening in Iran for so many years.
And then we've all seen the videos.
The video is just horrible.
The fact that we cannot agree on the number of people who have been killed in Iran is horrible.
And now, let me just add that what we are here in the United States also debating is what would be the role of the United States and what President Donald Trump should do.
Because he threatened that he was going to participate somehow if the number of people killed would raise.
And then the numbers are incredible.
I mean, we started with 2,000, probably 12,000.
So for me, the real question is if this new doctrine, Don Road doctrine, is going to extend from Venezuela to Iran.
I think that's the main question here in the United States.
Yeah, I mean, I would say to Anna's point, for example, that two things can be true at once.
I mean, many things can be true at once.
But it can be that the Iranian people have organically risen up, as they've tried before, against their regime, because it's a despicable regime that represses them and treats them horrifically badly.
And that's why they've done it.
And it may be that at the same time, Israel senses a real opportunity to remove its main enemy in the region that's gone out of its way to empower and arm and monetize terror groups from Hamas to Hezbollah and the Houthis, right?
So these things could all be true at the same time.
The issue I have in terms of public pronouncements by people is that they seem to take a moral distinction between the lives of the Israeli protesters who are genuinely risking their lives to get out on the streets to battle for their freedom and democracy, when if it's Palestinians doing it, there's an unequivocal support and marching through streets showing support, not just protest.
And I think we're just not seeing that from many of the same people from Iran.
To me, that is a double standard.
And the response would know better than that.
The problem is we don't have a firm grasp on how many people have been killed.
I mean, I don't doubt that hundreds of people.
I mean, we're taking a lot of bodybuilds.
But we don't know the details yet.
You need to know.
We don't know the details yet.
Okay, is that clearly because of the fact that the internet's been shut down and people don't have access to accurate information about it?
Stop interrupting me on trying to make a point about people do care.
If I said that to you about what was happening in Gaza, you would blow your gasket in fury that I was doubting the number of people being killed.
Right, but you wouldn't try and argue the point about the number of people being killed in Gaza.
And now you're trying to deny the Iranian people and their death toll.
And what I'm telling you is, even if we don't even look at the last time.
Can we talk about the disparities that are being reported right now?
Because we just had Homegirl talk about how there's 70 to 80,000 people who've been slaughtered in Iran.
No, because that number is not.
It's not 70 to 80,000 slaughtering.
God's not supposed to take Zionist who provides cover for Israel's genocide seriously on this.
I don't take you seriously.
Sorry.
My heart blows.
So the Insurance is a lot of people.
Let me bring in Glenn.
Let me bring in.
Stop charging each other.
Let me bring in Glenn Greenwald.
No, I'm saying the truth and you don't like it.
I just want to say, you know, these debate, the debate that this is turned into is not a new debate.
We've seen this a million times in the United States.
This is what happens in every single war and proposed war that the United States wants to do.
This is exactly the debate that happened in 2002, 2003.
The people who were against having the United States go in and invade Iraq were told, and I know Pierce, you were one of them.
Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator.
He has slaughtered huge numbers of Iraqis.
He gassed his own people.
He tortures them in torture chambers, all of which was true.
And that did not mean that either the United States ought to have intervened in order to take down the regime, or that the Iraqi people wanted the United States to go in and take down the regime, or that it would be helpful to the Iraqi people to go and take down the Iraqi regime.
And I think we've seen the very clear lessons that that, in fact, was not the truth.
But it was mortally repugnant to accuse opponents of U.S. intervention in Iraq of cheering for Saddam or not caring about the lives of the Iraqi people.
The same thing in Vietnam.
People opposed to the war in Vietnam were told you don't care about the slaughter by Ho Chi Minh of the people in South Korea, people in South Korea, people in South Vietnam, and rather people in Iraq, people in Libya, people in Venezuela, they're going to welcome you as liberators.
They all want you to come and save them.
This is all proven to be false propaganda.
No one doubts the Iranian regime is a brutal, savage dictatorship.
That's the same for many countries in the region, including ones the United States and the UK prop up.
The issue is if the Iranian people on their own want to protest their government, and a lot of the protests, by the way, are economic.
They're suffocating economically because of U.S. sanctions.
Whatever their motives are, political, economic, have at it.
I mean, the Iranian people should determine their own sovereignty and their own government.
The issue is nobody wants Israel and the United States intervening because of how disastrous that has proven to be for the countries in which they intervene.
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