Tucker Carlson Speaks at Turning Point, Prompting Cheers and Controversy; More Evidence of Israeli Atrocities Amid Fragile Ceasefire; Tommy Robinson Submits to Re-Education in Israel
Tucker's remarks at a Turning Point event highlight the divisions within the Republican party over foreign policy. Plus: more evidence of Israel's crimes against Palestinians are revealed during the fragile ceasefire. Finally: Tommy Robinson goes to Israel, where he is exposed to even more pro-Israel propaganda. --------------------------- Watch full episodes on Rumble, streamed LIVE 7pm ET. Become part of our Locals community Follow System Update: Twitter Instagram TikTok Facebook
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Tonight, a large event for Turning Point USA was held last night at Indiana University.
There was a massive turnout of students and other young people, thousands of them, many if not most draped in MAGA hats or other MA paraphernalia.
The featured speaker was Tucker Carlson.
And as you could like to predict, his appearance there and the comments that he made at the event provoked all sorts of anger and sadness, even accusations of betrayal.
Notwithstanding the fact that Charlie Kirk himself invited Tucker to his events, including the most recent one, and refused demands from various pro-Israel donors of turning point that he stopped doing so.
We'll examine this event last night, the reaction to it, and most notably, I think, the views of the audience members expressed during the Q ⁇ A session.
Then, I have long maintained, as have many others, that we will not really know the true extent of the atrocities and crimes committed by Israel in Gaza until the international media is permitted to enter Gaza and report freely.
That, of course, is precisely why Israel, from the start of the war, has banned the entry of media and continues to do so.
Nonetheless, with the ceasefire, new evidence is starting to emerge of just how horrific were the Israeli crimes in Gaza, and we will review the latest.
And then finally, the self-proclaimed British nationalist and anti-immigration activist Tommy Robinson is spending his week, you'll never guess where, in Israel.
And while there, he is undergoing some sort of bizarre and extreme and incredibly overt re-education programs.
Some of the most brazen you will ever see.
And he seems to be doing so voluntarily and eagerly.
Watching what is being done to Tommy Robinson in Israel is extremely uncomfortable, to put it mildly, but it's also very illuminating since we had to see it.
You'll have to as well, but we think it's really worth watching.
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There's been, of course, a very pronounced and vocal campaign to destroy the reputations of and to use a term that the American right has long used to cancel very prominent people in American conservatism, whose only crime, very obviously, is that they have become critical of the state of Israel.
People like Tucker Candace Owens and Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey are on that list.
There are a variety of other ones and probably the leading one is Tucker Carlson.
He was, while at Fox News, the most watched host, most watched primetime host in the history of cable news at his 8 o'clock spot.
I never once heard a conservative, even really a Republican, publicly criticizing Tucker Carlson.
He was a very unifying figure among conservatives, extremely popular.
And that's why his show was the highest rated in the history of cable news.
And now, if you go online, particularly, and I'm not sure that it's contaminated offline discourse very much, but certainly online, there's a very obvious, coordinated, concerted effort to destroy the reputation of Tucker Carlson, to insist he be expelled from decent conservative circles, when the only thing that has changed is that after October 7th, like a lot of people, he began talking about Israel, whereas previously he didn't.
And he began applying America First principles, what he understood those to be, which is, why are we financing this foreign country?
Why are we risking going to war for this foreign country?
Why are we constantly talking about them?
Why are we censoring for them?
Why are our leaders always going there?
I thought it was America First.
It seems like that's not consistent with this agenda.
And I don't need to tell you that anybody who publicly criticizes Israel and the United States or the public platform is going to be the target of a very well-organized, well-funded campaign to destroy their reputation in one way or the other.
And one of the ways that this has been happening is that Turning Point USA before Charlie Kirk's assassination was often associating itself with Tucker Carlson.
In fact, Charlie Kirk invited Tucker to give one of the premier keynote addresses at the most recent major Turning Point conference.
This was shortly before Charlie was assassinated.
And there was immense pressure constantly applied to Charlie saying, including from billionaire donors who are very, very pro-Israel, or in Charlie's words, Jewish billionaires who supported Turning Point, who were saying, you need to stop allowing Tucker Carlson to have a platform at Turning Point events because he's critical of Israel.
He went to Turning Point, Tucker did, at that most recent event, and explicitly said he believed Jeffrey Epstein was working with the Mossad and other aspects of the Israeli government.
We should have that disclosure.
Obviously, if you're pro-Israel, you're enraged that a group that you're financing is giving a platform to that.
He also, Charlie did, invited Dave Smith to come and debate one of those random hardcore pro-Israel neocons that fester within and poison the conservative movement.
And they were enraged by that as well.
But they were particularly enraged that he allowed Tucker to come and speak and not just allowed him to speak, but invited him, embraced him.
And even in response to pressure from donors, he refused to vow not to invite Tucker again, even if it meant that he would lose donors, as Turning Point did, lost at least a couple of major donors.
The people who are now in charge of Tucking Point, which is Charlie Kirk's sort of closest team, as well as his wife, Erica Kirk, are doing everything possible, not just to continue Turning Point, but doing so in a way that best aligns with Charlie's views, his vision, his legacy.
And one of the ways they're doing that is that they held a major event last night at Indian University, and the primary featured speaker, at least one of them, I believe the principal featured speaker, was none other than Tucker Carlson.
Notwithstanding how Turning Point obviously hears all the demands, including not just from the public and from pro-Israel campaigns, but from their own donors, that they don't want any association with Tucker any longer.
And there's a large part of the conservative movement that, at least online, that's pro-Israel, that is utterly devoted to destroying Tucker's reputation and good standing within American conservatism, again, solely because of his view on Israel.
So it is impressive, I must say, that the people in charge of Talking Point, they could have invited someone with relatively equal stature and influence within the conservative movement to speak, but it doesn't have Tucker's baggage when it comes to Israel.
Who's not necessarily, you know, I'm not saying the only alternative was like Mark Levin or Ben Shapiro.
It could have been somebody whose views on Israel have been suppressed, who aren't really, who isn't really associated with that issue one way or the other.
And they could have just played it safe that way, but they didn't.
They obviously feel some loyalty to Charlie Kirk's vision, which absolutely included centrally association with Tucker Carlson.
And Charlie himself talked about how he was also becoming more skeptical of Israel, of the relationship of the U.S. with Israel.
Not saying he abandoned his pro-Israel stance.
He definitely did not, but he was clearly on the path of becoming at least a little bit more questioning.
We did a lot of cover to that when he was assassinated as well as before.
So here was Tucker's entrance last night at the Turning Point event.
It shows how many people were there, but also the wildly enthusiastic reception he received.
Now, that was a standing ovation from pretty much everyone.
I didn't see anybody sitting.
The noise was very loud.
But you also notice Tucker walked on stage with two of his dogs.
He has, I think, five dogs, maybe more.
He has multiple dogs.
But he obviously traveled to Indiana with his two dogs and walked on stage with them.
I talked briefly with him this morning about that, just about that point, and said it's amazing how well behaved they were.
Not every dog would be comfortable walking onto a stage with a throng of a horde of screaming, applauding, cheering people.
Many of my dogs would either immediately urinate out of territorialism or fear or some extra of both.
Many would cower.
Others would probably menacingly growl at the audience.
His look like they're veterans of the speaking tour, just kind of walking on stage, absorbing all the cheering and the love there.
I know this is a tangent, but I do think that the more we normalize bringing dogs everywhere, the better society is.
People just, not everybody, but most people get very happy when they see dogs, when they see people with dogs.
People who have dogs are much happier, more relaxed, more balanced, more connected when they bring dogs to places.
So it's not obviously usual or customary to see people walk onto a stage, deliver a political speech flanked by two of their dogs.
But that's what Tucker did.
And I think that deserves notice.
And hopefully people will be inspired to do that as well and to allow more dogs everywhere.
It's only good for study.
All right.
Let's move to the substance, the non-canine aspects of this event that I really wanted to focus your attention on.
One of the things that has been so interesting and it's so visible, it's so inescapable, is that essentially every time you now have an event at a campus or a gathering of large numbers of young people, just young Americans in general, But also every time you have an event now with large numbers of young conservatives, of large numbers of Trump supporters, of large number of young people who identify
with MAGA, It's basically inevitable that you're going to get, if you do a Q&A session, which I hope everybody does do when they appear, you're going to get at least one or two or maybe more questions, depending on the time, from people who stand up and say, I still continue to be angry about and befuddled by the fact that Donald Trump, despite running on an American First platform, keeps financing Israel, forcing us to pay for Israel's wars, paying for Ukraine's wars.
And we keep voting to end these wars, to end this dependency on funding and fueling other countries, and yet no matter who we vote for, even if we vote for the person who vowed most to end it, it seems just to continue.
We've gone over many times the polling data that shows that in every demographic group, support for Israel is unraveling the United States, including, even especially, among young conservatives.
Obviously, young liberals, young leftists were already very soured on Israel, have become vastly more so, intensely more so, since October 7th, pretty much the only demographic group that remains supportive of Israel, and even there, there's some weakening, are old conservatives.
People have been feeding on Sean Hannity and Fox and Friends for the last three decades.
But other than that, the trend is so clear.
That's why people like Ari Allison are buying up TikTok and Paramount and CBS News and putting Barry Weiss in charge and putting an IDF soldier in charge of censoring TikTok when it comes to Israel and anti-Semitism because they see the same things.
And although it's anecdotal, it's nonetheless incredibly visceral.
When you watch, you watch, and I don't mean just people like Carlson or Ken Soans.
Megyn Kelly went to an event a couple weeks ago, and she was bombarded with questions like that, which, trust me, is extremely new to be a conservative media figure, a conservative personality conservative journalist, conservative political figure, and go and pretty much have it guaranteed that people from your own movement are going to stand up and demand to know why there continues to be so much support for Israel, demand to know your views on that.
So here was one of the exchanges that took place last night at Tucker Carlson's appearance yesterday.
It was during the Q ⁇ A session.
I found this incredibly noteworthy, although also unsurprising.
So I kind of just don't see a lot of change between, you know, the Biden administration and now the Trump one and foreign policy.
You know, we're still giving a shit ton of money to like Israel and Ukraine.
Nothing is happening.
You know, the war is not stopped.
He promised it'd be done in a day and it's, I don't know, how many months?
Eight months or something like that.
It's a long time.
Your dad was in the CIA and I was wondering, does our government even want war to stop?
Do they want conflicts to end?
It seems like we have a difference of interest where we're getting told one thing and the other is happening.
And I feel like there's not enough communication between different sects of government.
And I just, I really think the deep state's controlling everything and we have no control.
You know, let me just say, let's see.
Well, let me just say that the that may not have been phrased in the most erudite or sophisticated manner possible.
You could probably, if you thought about it, express that view more eloquently if that were really your goal.
But the substance of it was extremely perceptive.
And you almost will never hear people who have worked inside media for a long time or who work in Washington for a long time understand this view, let alone be able to describe it because the idea that we support Israel is just so assumed in the ether.
It's so ingrained in their DNA that they don't, they can't really even acknowledge this rapid and fundamental change that's taking place because it's so alien to their worldview.
On top of that, and I should say, by the way, that it is interesting how people on independent media understand this way more.
I think their finger is much more on the pulse of what people in the country are thinking.
It's one of the reasons why Megan Kelly, who was a steadfast supporter of Israel for decades, who more or less has the traditional Republican establishment worldview on foreign policy and war going back to the war on terror.
And I don't think she's given up her support for Israel.
She will tell you she hasn't.
And I don't think she has, but she understands what's happening.
She understands that there's this very serious movement within her own audience, within the conservative movement, especially among young people, because she talks about it openly.
And she refuses, there's pressure on her as well.
She's talked about it, not to have people like Tucker on her show, not to have me on her show.
And she refuses.
She's saying this is a very active, viable, reasonable debate.
And she knows.
She even said when she had Charlie Kirk on her show, maybe Tucker on her show that nobody under 30 supports Israel.
You know, obviously a little hyperbole there.
It's not nobody, but that's, you know, what she meant.
She meant there's a huge wave of sentiment among people who are 30.
Overwhelmingly, they don't support Israel.
And Polling Data shows that as well.
And you see here this question that he asked, as soon as he said, brought up the funding of Israel and Ukraine, huge numbers of cheers, vociferous cheers, could be heard from the audience.
He's speaking for a lot of people.
There was no booing, at least not detectable booing, which again, for a conservative gathering, even five years ago, if you would question Israel, you would be certain to be booed up.
And I also thought it was very notable that he's not obsessed with Israel.
He's not single-mindedly talking about Israel.
He linked Israel and Ukraine.
Basically, like, we're constantly funding all these wars.
You know, he didn't just focus only on Israel.
He understands that the relationship with Ukraine is very, very similar.
It's one of the reasons I spent so much time on the bipartisan support for the war in Ukraine and still do, and objected to it on the exact same grounds that I object to U.S. Financing of Israel.
He understands that connection as well.
I think it's just very interesting how these are, you know, young kids.
These are students at Indiana University, and they perceive what's going on in many ways so much better than people who have spent their adult lives in politics or journalism, who are paid to do it.
And I think that question was, you know, he spoke for a good while too.
And a lot of times people might go on a tangent.
They might say something just obviously false or conspiratorial or, you know, that was very, very solid analysis.
And here's what Tucker said.
Let me start at, you know, obviously, you probably sense that I agree with a lot of that.
Obviously, leave my father out of it.
I'm going to have to kick your ass, which I could do, by the way, if you bring him up again, because he was a wonderful man, whatever, you know, he did for a living.
So I really do hate that.
But leaving that aside.
By the way, I should just say here, I mean, Tucker loved his father, which people should love their parents if their parents are good parents.
No matter what they do for work, no matter what their ideology is.
I bet my father had very bad politics.
I still love my father.
I would defend my father.
I wouldn't let anyone say your father believed X, Y, and Z or worked here.
It's my father.
You know, I wouldn't judge him the same way I judge the people.
But I do just, by the way, think that that student who asked that question wasn't raising Tucker's father's connection with the CIA as a grounds for criticizing his father or imputing Tucker or his authenticity.
I think he was more just saying like, hey, you know, because it was followed by, it seems like the deep state controls us.
I think that kid was just saying, your dad worked at the CIA, so maybe you have good insight into how the deep state functions.
I understand why Tucker was sensitive to that.
But in any event, this is the substance of what he goes on to say.
And don't test me, son.
I hate to say I agree with a lot of what, and I think you probably know I agree with a lot of what you've said, and it's enormously frustrating.
It's shocking, actually.
And I do know, I'm not shilling.
I just happen to know some of the people who work in the administration who are people who agree with you strongly.
I think most Trump voters agree with you.
That's why they voted for Donald Trump in the first place.
And, you know, no pointless wars was not just a thing he said at one campaign stop.
It was a pillar of his campaigns and of MAGA itself.
I mean, what is MAGA?
There's a mad scramble, particularly since Charlie's passing, to define what this is and to read some people out of the movement.
You're not MAGA.
Well, what is MAGA?
Well, MAGA is five things, okay?
MAGA is America first, which means Americans should put no country before America.
American interests come first.
That's not a crazy idea.
No pointless wars, period.
And by pointless, I mean wars fought on behalf of an ideology or another nation are totally unacceptable.
They weaken this country.
Wars fought because somebody running a country is bad, okay, is bad.
You're telling me a world leader is bad?
All right.
Yeah, no.
It's impoverished, you know, it's dramatically weakened this country.
Its social fabric, its treasury, it's killed so many Americans, and it's really weakened America's position globally.
So no pointless wars.
Bring back American jobs, right?
Of meaningful jobs.
You know, the call centers have moved to South Asia.
AI is crushing the lawyers.
What do Americans do for a living?
Like, think deeply about that and work to make work a reality for people.
I mean, you all are, I assume, still in college.
Wait till you graduate.
You know, I have a child who just graduated college.
Once a week, I'm like, how many of your friends?
And these are all like smart, pretty affluent, kind of connected, you know, cute girls.
How many of your friends have jobs in New York City?
Four out of 10.
That's a disaster, actually.
And someone needs to be thinking about that deeply.
And the promise of MAGA was that somebody would.
And then, of course, immigration.
You have to control who comes in and out of your country or else you're not a country.
And I know that it's considered highly controversial to say that the population of America is being replaced by people from other countries, but it's not controversial.
It's a mathematical fact.
And the numbers are taken by the U.S. Census.
And that's just true.
Now, some people are for it.
I'm against it.
I'm from here.
I'm against that.
I'm against replacing the current population.
And it's happening in this country.
It's completely happened in Canada, New Zealand, and Australia and the U.K. It's happening to the English-speaking world.
I'm not exactly sure what that is, but I'm totally opposed.
And so was everyone who voted for Donald Trump.
That's not a conspiracy theory.
It's a mathematical reality.
And stop it now.
And the fifth pillar of MAGA, just to be totally clear, is free speech, because it's our birthright as Americans.
And so when we talk about canceled culture or the woke, the woke or against the wall, what does that even mean?
It means people who are attempting to abridge my ability to speak freely about what I actually believe.
That's what that is.
It's an attack on free speech.
And by the way, the second Trump gets elected, all these people show up who I've never heard of, who are MAGA people.
I can't hear you.
Can you scream louder?
I love the Solidarity Fizz.
So a lot of that wasn't stated so overtly.
I don't think it needed to be given the context that was created by the question, which is about Israel and Ukraine.
Last night we did a segment on the bizarre reality that Donald Trump is out there fundraising for neoconservatives and warmongers like Lindsey Graham while targeting the two members of Congress who arguably align most or among the most with the five planks of America First that Tucker laid out there, namely Thomas Massey and Rand Paul.
Just as a libertarian, Rand Paul probably is weaker on immigration from that perspective, weaker in the sense of not aligning with Trump's agenda more than most standard Republicans, but all the others, especially foreign policy and free speech.
This is part of what has angered Trump with Tom Massey as well, are their objections to bombing Iran, bombing Yemen, expelling students and deporting people based on their criticism of Israel, imposing hate speech codes on American campuses, starting a new war with Venezuela because we don't like Maduro, all the things that Tucker laid out, the American First Agenda was supposed to prevent.
And a lot of people inside the mock movement, despite the fact that they obviously support Trump, are there in red MAGA hats, are also starting to very vociferously question why this is.
There were a couple other videos which you can find online in terms of Tucker's answer to that question and other exchanges that he has, including on the war in Ukraine and why he has always opposed U.S. involvement in it, which he did.
I was on his show when he was on Fox.
I don't know how many times, probably a couple dozen at least, talking about the bipartisan support for funding Ukraine and the reasons why it seems so dangerous and reckless to say nothing of inconsistent with the supposed America First agenda.
And there's also video there that has to do with Israel and the fact that there's a fracture within the Republican Party specifically on that issue, which clearly there is.
Now, I think one of the things that's so important to note is there was this huge backlash online to Tucker being there.
The Turning Point USA official account tweeted Tucker's appearance at the event, him walking out on the stage.
That 16-second video that we showed you is what Turning Point posted.
And you can predict the kind of rage that it generated from these people who are trying to separate Tucker and by example, anybody else who might question Israel from the conservative movement, from MAGA, especially from Turning Point, which has become much more powerful given all the hagiography about Charlie Kirk and the positive feelings towards Charlie Kirk that spewed forth once he was so brutally killed in front of everybody's eyes.
And I do think one of the things that has gotten lost on purpose is the reason why Benjamin Netanyahu immediately started appearing on American television six times a day from the second Charlie Kirk was shot before it was even known that he was killed to keep proclaiming that Israel is mourning because they lost one of the greatest friends of Israel they've ever had as their Charlie Kirk's mission in life was to strengthen the American-Israeli relationship.
When in reality Charlie Kirk was somebody who was purposely linking turning point to people who are among Israel's most vociferous critics within the conservative movement starting with Tucker.
And he spoke publicly but also privately about the immense pressure being applied to him and his refusal to accept these orders that he should disassociate himself from people like Tucker.
Here is a text chain that Charlie was involved in just I think a week or two before he was killed.
Very, very shortly before he was killed it was released by Candace Owens and Talking Points, Turning Point confirmed its authenticity.
He said yes, this is a genuine, authentic conversation in which Charlie participated in by text at the date that Candace said.
And here's what Charlie said in this text.
He was talking in a group to other Turning Point officials, but also to various people who are in some way involved with Turning Point.
He said, quote, just lost another huge Jewish donor, $2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker.
Now I'm thinking of inviting Candace.
That was very much Charlie's persona, at least as it emerged at the end of his life in the last year or two as he got older, which was, I'm not going to be told by donors, I'm not going to be told by anybody else who I can speak to, who I can listen to, who I can invite to my events.
Tucker is an important person in the conservative movement, and I'm not going to ban him no matter how many, in his words, Jewish donors of Turning Point, including multi-million million dollar donors, tell me I can't.
And as he said, and he talked with Megan Kelly about this on her show, I think about two, three weeks before he was killed, where they both were saying that they were experiencing all this pressure, all these attacks from the pro-Israel groups and individuals.
And it was having the opposite effect as intended, that they both were saying, if you demand that of me, that I don't talk to Tucker, that I don't put people on my show who criticize Israel, that I don't question Israel ever, and you're going to call me an anti-Semite and try and destroy my reputation if I don't comply, I'm going to go and be even more defiant.
And that's what Charlie Kirk was saying here.
Not only won't I cancel Tucker, now I'm going to invite Candace, or I'm thinking of inviting Candace.
And then an unidentified person of the group responded, ah, I think to the news that they lost another $2 million donor.
And this is what Charlie Kirk said, quote, Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes.
I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause.
Now, people from Turning Point came out and said that wasn't really Charlie speaking literally, that he was ready to become anti-Israel or leave the pro-Israel cause.
He was speaking out of frustration, which I'm more than willing to believe.
But it nonetheless is absolutely true that there was this very intense, coordinated, very heavy pressure campaign being applied to Turning Point and Charlie to basically just not permit to be heard or not permit to be part of that movement anybody like Tech Carlson who questions Israel.
And Charlie Kirk said, absolutely not.
And so the idea that somebody would look at a Turning Point event featuring Tucker Carlson when Charlie Kirk explicitly defended doing that, just that and say, why would Turning Point possibly give a platform to somebody so hateful to somebody so anti-Semitic?
Knowing that Charlie Kirk himself insisted on this just shows how desperate these people have become.
Here's somebody named Zvi Nali, who's a writer at PJ Media.
These are all in response to the Turning Point tweet posting the video of Tucker who says, quote, shame on you for holding on to this Qatari propagandist.
What's next?
Bringing on Zoran Momdummy.
These people are such imbeciles.
They're like sixth graders, Zoron Mondummi.
It's not even clever.
It's like calling someone a dum-dum.
You don't have any, can you workshop that at all?
In any event, now Tucker Carlson is Zoron Mandani.
Here's from Free the Hostages Now, so you can obviously identify their ideology and their priority.
Quote, is there a Jew alive that doesn't think this is a Goebbels rally?
Yeah, there are many Jews alive who don't think that's a Goebbels rally.
There are many Jews questioning the U.S. support for Israel and why the U.S. should be prioritizing the interest of Israel.
But I'm glad that a lot of these people are coming out and saying basically they think Turning Point is filled with Nazis who are basically like having a Nuremberg rally because that is really what they think if the any group doesn't immediately prioritize Israel and therefore ban anybody who whose support is questionable.
Here is an ex-user whose name is written in Hebrew.
I believe she's Israeli.
This is what she said.
The people of Israel will never forgive you for this.
It will be your own destruction.
They talk like bond villains all the time.
Because Turning Point has Tucker Carlson, probably the most famous and popular and influential conservative voice in media, that's going to be their own destruction because people in Israel are angry.
Turning point is not an Israeli organization.
Here's Max Abrams, who is a professor and studies terrorism.
We've had him on our show before.
He is a, you know, I don't think he would dispute this, a very fanatical supporter of Israel.
And he simply wrote, Cotter loves Tucker.
You know, I have to say, just as an aside, that this obsession with Qatar, this attempt to pretend that everyone who questions Israel is on the Qatari payroll, first of all, it's like the Zionist version of the liberals claim that everyone is on Russia's payroll who doesn't support the Democratic Party.
It's so blatantly the same framework.
But what's actually bizarre about that, aside from the fact that American society and American politics does not revolve around Doha and Qatar.
It revolves around Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Israel in so many obvious ways.
But the person who speaks most glowingly and admiringly of the Emir Qatar and the Qatari leadership, Qatari dictators, is Donald Trump.
He loves Qatar, constantly heaping praise on them.
He was enraged that Israel bombed Doha by all accounts.
I mean, he forced Netanyahu to apologize.
Here is this one example.
Here's, I mean, I can show you hundreds of these.
This is from just a month ago when he was asked on a tarmac about Cotter, and this is what he says.
What was the message to Benjamin that we had to know about the strikes on the Cotter?
It was reported that-Well, my message is this.
They have to be very, very careful.
They have to do something about Hamas.
But Qatar has been a great ally to the United States.
A lot of people don't know that.
I told the Emir, who I think is a wonderful person, actually, I said, you need better public relations because you don't really get the public relations.
I mean, people talk of it so badly.
And they shouldn't be.
Qatar has been a very great ally.
So Israel and everybody else, we have to be careful.
When we attack people, we have to be careful.
Qatar is a great ally.
The Emir of Qatar is a great person.
This is what Trump says all the time.
And it's not his diplomacy.
Trump is not a very diplomatic person.
When he doesn't like somebody, he doesn't exactly hide it behind a wall of flowery diplomacy, to put that mildly.
He just met with the Australian prime minister last week, and someone brought up negative comments that the ambassador, the Australian ambassador to the U.S. had made about Trump.
And Trump turned to the prime minister and said, is that true?
Your ambassador spoke poorly of me?
Does he still work for you?
And the prime minister said yes.
And it turned out the Australian ambassador who had criticized Trump was sitting right across the table from him.
And when someone pointed it out, Trump said, you, do you say bad things about me?
And he was like, oh, you know, scared.
He's a diplomat after all.
And he said, Mr. President, I did criticize you, but that was before, Mr. President, you became president.
Trump said, yeah, well, you know what?
I don't like you either, and I'm probably never going to.
And he was not joking.
He was very just straightforward.
I mean, you know, that's the ambassador from one of America's closest allies, Ambassador to the United States.
And Trump doesn't care at all.
He's not going to hide what he thinks and feels.
He can't.
He's not heaping praise on the Amir Qatar and the Qataris for some like pragmatic, diplomatic reason.
He really dislikes that.
He loves Qatar.
And why wouldn't he?
As he said in Egypt, just a couple weeks ago when he went to finalize the ceasefire deal, he said, ah, Qatar, I love Qatar.
They have unlimited money, which is basically true.
And they love that kind of flamboyant opulence that is Trump's aesthetic.
It's an extremely well-ordered, authoritarian playground for the rich where money is infinite and they build these gigantic castles and palaces.
They gave Trump a plane, a $400 million plane, a brand new golden Air Force One.
Why wouldn't Trump love Qatar?
Of course he does.
And he makes that clear.
And he does it not just in words, but also in policy.
Here from September 29th, here's the White House assuring the security of the state of Qatar.
This was after Israel bombed Qatar, by all accounts, without the White House's knowledge or consent.
And Trump was enraged because his relationship with Qatar is extremely important.
And as a result, the U.S. entered into a security deal with Qatar, which basically gave them almost NATO-like guarantees of protection.
So it's so bizarre to watch conservatives who are pro-Israel run around screaming Qatar is the root of all evil.
They're the terrorist supporters, whatever.
And the leader of that movement, Donald Trump, reveres Qatar.
He talks about it.
He said, why would people talk poorly about Qatar?
They're great people.
They're great allies.
Even more amazing, and we interviewed last night the New York Times reporter, investigative reporter Ken Vogel, who investigates the confluence of money and influence in politics.
He was the reporter who probably did the most to expose the corruption with Hunter Biden in Ukraine and Burisma.
And he has a new book out, and we interviewed him about his book about foreign money and influence in politics.
And he reminded me, I'd forgotten this, that Pam Bondi, who Donald Trump selected to be his attorney general, was a literal paid agent of the Qatari regime.
She filed FARA forms, disclosing her work, getting paid by Qatar a lot of money, $115,000 a month, to advance the interests of the Qatari government by lobbying inside Washington during President Trump's first term.
Hear from the U.S. Committee, a Senate committee, the Judiciary Committee in the Senate.
This is when Pam Bandi was nominated.
The Democrats released this dossier on her, and it was entitled Pam Bandi's Extensive Lobbying for Wealthy Special Interest and Foreign Government Poses Serious Conflict of Interest.
And it began, Pam Bandi is a registered lobbyist with the Washington, D.C. based firm Ballad Partners, and has represented wealthy special interests and foreign governments.
That's all absolutely true.
And then it went on to say that, do we have this on the screen, that she got 100,000, she had $150,000 contract.
She had $150,000 contract with the Qatari government.
It says lobbying on behalf of Qotter as a far-registered lobbyist, Bondi lobby Congress on behalf of Cotter earning $150,000 per month.
It is not reliant on the Democratic Party.
She filed the FARA form.
You can go find it online.
She was a paid agent of the Qatari government.
Now Donald Trump chose her to be the leader of the Justice Department.
So it is very strange.
There's all this like whispering campaign, very much like Russia Gate.
Tucker's on the payroll of Cotter.
You don't have any idea how often I hear that.
I used to hear from Democrats, of course, and still do that I'm on the payroll of Russia.
They have this obsession with Cotter.
Even though Trump himself loves Cotter, it's a close U.S. ally.
If you go to Doha, you will see almost, the first thing you'll notice is how many American military officers and soldiers are running around Doha because they have a gigantic military base right in the heart of Doha.
It's the largest American military base in the region.
Of course, Cotter is a long-term close ally of the United States.
And yet you constantly have this attack on Tucker that he's Qatari or on the payroll of Cotter.
Why would Tucker need to be on the payroll of Cotter?
Tucker has a gigantic contract with Fox.
He's one of the three or four most listened to podcasters in all of America.
The one thing Tucker doesn't need is more money.
And this is just the go-to attack.
Now, I have to say, online, it seems like this is a very big movement.
The Israelis are very much organized online.
Netanyahu talks about himself that he thinks social media is as important of a front line in their war as what they do to Hamas or Hezbollah, Iran, or the Houthis.
Netanyahu talks openly about that.
He says that the acquisition by pro-Israel loyalists like Larry Ellison of TikTok is one of the most important things to happen to Israel in a long time.
He understands, the Israelis understand the crucial importance of the internet and controlling discourse on the internet.
And so online, you would think, wow, this is a huge uprising of hatred toward Tucker.
You go offline, though, to in-person events like this, and you'll have an entire audience of 2,000 or 3,000 young people, young conservatives and MAGAHATs standing and cheering for Tucker very enthusiastically.
And the questions they're asking demonstrate they're far closer to Tucker's view, if not even more extreme than what Tucker says than they are the people trying to expel Tucker from the conservative movement for his criticism of Israel.
This issue of financing Israel and its wars, financing Ukraine in its wars, doing regime change wars, this is an issue that has been lost generationally for the bipartisan political class in Washington.
I don't think they realize it yet.
You still see these Democrats demanding their nominees be these old, ossified, standard Israel supporters.
Even though all the movement of young people on both the right and left is around opposing regime change, opposing wars, opposing financing wars of foreign countries.
But polling data shows it.
These kinds of things show it that the energy and the numbers are very much on the side of opposing Israel.
I won't bury Israel.
I'm not saying that because huge numbers of young people have turned against them, it means that they're done.
They're extremely shrewd in conniving, cunning.
They've demonstrated that for a long time.
I would not write them off.
There's massive amounts of money behind them, very well-organized groups, both in Israel and the United States and globally.
But there's no question that their support has eroded.
And it's eroded exactly in the realms that they would worry about most, which is young people, especially young conservatives.
And I think people who run Turning Point aren't just doing this like inviting Tucker because they know that that's what Charlie did and wanted, but also because they understand that in order to represent young people, you cannot have Ben Shapiro be the face of Turning Point.
It doesn't work.
There's no alignment.
I mean, Ben Shapiro goes and talks about immigration, crime, or whatever.
There'll be alignment, but only if he confines himself to very narrow issues where he's still kind of exploiting, you know, Israel supporters have this long history.
They're very adept.
One of the things they're very good at is if they really only care about Israel, they're very good at kind of trading and shaping and morphing on whatever other issues they have to to be able to come part of a movement that they really are just becoming part of in order to promote Israel.
It's why Bill Kristol, for example, when neoconservatives were very much dependent upon and using the Republican Party as their vessel under George Bush and Dick Cheney, Bill Kristol was like, okay, fine, I'm totally pro-life.
I'm anti-LGBT.
You know, all the social issues that Bill Crystal couldn't have cared less about.
He was like, oh, I'm totally conservative on culture war issues and economics.
But in reality, he only cared about Israel.
But he had to say all these things to get access to the Republican Party.
With the emergence of Trump and neocons like Bill Crystal, including David From, same thing, that there was no more space for them in the Democratic Party.
There's no more space for Luz Cheney, those kind of people.
They started migrating back to the Democratic Party.
And now Bill Crystal is an incredibly vocal and passionate supporter of LGBT equality.
I don't just mean gay marriage or same-sex equality.
I mean like the trans issue.
Bill Crystal is the wocist on that.
Also totally pro-pro-choice.
They don't care about those issues.
They'll just switch on a dime.
So Ben Shapiro is like, fine, I'll go and talk about immigration.
I know that's necessary to keep me in good standing in the conservative movement.
Talk about the importance of crime and law and order or whatever.
Trans people, let's bash trans people.
That's always good for some right-wing points.
But on the stuff that Ben Shapiro cares most about, and people have now realized this, there's not only very little alignment, there's antipathy, there's antagonism.
And I think the reason why Turning Point and other groups like it who want to speak for young conservatives are always going to continue to embrace Tucker Carlson and people like him is because they understand that that's where people are.
Megan Kelly said that about Charlie Kirk.
She said, yes, Charlie was always very pro-Israel.
He's obviously himself opened up space to question Israel, to become more critical of it, to be willing to platform harsh criticism of Israel.
And the reason is because Charlie Kirk's speaking for a generation of conservatives.
And those people, his constituency, for whom he's speaking, have become overwhelmingly anti-Israel, or at least unwilling to support Israel.
And there was no way Charlie Kirk could maintain this rigidly pro-Israel stance that his donors wanted, that he was kind of financed in order to promote, and at the same time maintain credibility among that group.
He had to open up space.
I'm not saying it was cynical.
I'm not saying he didn't believe it himself.
You can argue that either way, but people are responsible for and accountable to the people they're reporting to represent, just like politicians are.
And if you get too unaligned with the people you're representing, they're going to eventually notice that and say, you're not representing me or my interest.
All these trends demonstrate that Turning Point is not doing this because they're willing to be destroyed to associate with Tucker.
They're doing it because it's more likely they'll be destroyed and lose credibility among the people they care most about, the meat of that movement, which is young conservatives, if they disassociate from anybody criticizing Israel because that's just not where sentiments are in the United States.
and we should all be celebrating that.
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I think one of the most damning indictments of Israel and its behavior in Gaza over the last two plus years, funded by the United States, paid for by the American taxpayer, is that it has simply banned international media from entering Gaza, except for handpicked journalists who are vehemently pro-Israel and they can only enter with the IDF.
The IDF shows them very limited things that it wants them to see and then leave.
People like Douglas Murray.
Those are Visalon journalists.
Those are propagandists for the Israeli government on a kind of propaganda tour.
But actual journalists, you know, media outlets that want to go in and not be told who they can speak to and what they can see by the IDF, but who want to do reporting, have been banned for the last two years.
And even with the ceasefire, they still are banned.
And there's only one reason why people ban media from entering a certain place, because they don't want them to learn the truth.
Not just them, but the world.
You've had very brave Gazan journalists who have been telling the world what's going on there, but that's been easier for people to demonize.
Oh, they're in Gaza, therefore they're controlled by Hamas.
But also, Israel has killed many of them, huge numbers.
Precisely because they're showing the world what Israel does want them to see.
But at some point, international media is going to get in there.
It's impossible to just permanently keep media out.
I mean, Israel pretty much does whatever it wants with no consequence, but there is some bridge that's too far.
And just banning international media forever is at some point going to turn that media against Israel.
But even before that's happened, with the ceasefire now, we're starting to get more information.
We don't have any clue of the true depth and depravity of the atrocities Israel committed there, supported by two consecutive presidents from each of the two parties, paid for by both presidents, armed by it, diplomatically protected.
But we're starting to learn.
And one of the things that has been most obscured by this obsessive focus on the hostages, by which they mean Israelis in Gaza, many of whom were active duty IDF soldiers fighting on October 7th when they were captured.
I don't think we've ever referred to active members of the military fighting in combat who were captured that way as hostages before it happened to Israel.
There was even an article in, I think, the BBC or some major Western media outlet that described one of the Israelis held in Gaza and said on October 7th, he was kidnapped from his tank.
He was in a tank shooting, firing, fighting, when he was captured by the opposing forces.
Usually that's called a prisoner of war or a captured soldier from combat.
Only for Israel do we call them hostages.
But one of the things it's done is obscured the infinitely greater number of hostages that the Israelis keep in their dungeons of Palestinians.
And the reason I say that is because we're talking here, even though they're called prisons, about people who are just picked up off the street, never accused of any crime, never convicted of any crime, given no due process.
They're just held in what are called administrative detentions, and then it just gets renewed every six months.
And oftentimes when you hear these agreements, it entails the Israelis releasing these Palestinians, not because Israel is being benevolent, but because huge numbers of these people didn't do anything wrong.
They've never been charged with the crime.
That, to me, are hostages.
If Israel goes into the West Bank and Gaza and just sweeps out Palestinians and puts them in a dungeon in order to have something to negotiate the release of when they want things as well, those are by definition hostages.
And one of the things we've been learning is just how destructive and cruel and sadistic these dungeons really are.
Jeffrey Goldberg, by the way, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic actually worked in one of them.
He was one of many Americans who didn't join his own military, his own country's military.
He instead worked, went to Israel to join their military.
I don't even know why that's legal for an American citizen to fight in a foreign military, but not in their own country's military, but that's what he did, and that's what many people do.
And when he joined the IDF, he was assigned to be a prison guard in these dungeons.
And people are dying in these dungeons.
I mean, teenagers are dying.
And when they're released, if they survive, they're very malnourished.
They're filled with all kinds of disease.
They have rickets.
They're put in very overcrowded places where they're barely fed, filled with bugs.
I mean, disease, purposely kept there.
They are subjected to sexual assault.
I still think the most amazing thing that happened in the last two years is when the Israeli soldiers got caught gang raping Palestinian prisoners on video and when they were detained by Israel because even Israel has to detain people who get caught on video raping others, gang raping.
Members of the Knesset, huge numbers of their supporters, went to that detention facility and demanded their release.
And in mainstream Israeli media, they just explicitly argued that it's permissible, even praiseworthy, to use rape as a weapon of war against non-Jews, or at least against Palestinians.
And now that Israel is releasing not just live prisoners from their dungeons, but also dead ones.
They're returning bodies just like Gaza is.
The amount of death and mutilation of these bodies is shocking no matter what your how low your expectations are of Israel.
Here from The Guardian, this is October 20th, at least 135 mutilated bodies of Palestinians have been held at notorious Israeli jails, say Gaza officials.
And this is one of the things media outlets do when they report on living critical of Israel.
They'll say, oh, Gaza officials.
It's very well documented.
There's video of these corpses.
The Israelis acknowledge that a lot of these reports are exactly true.
And here's what The Guardian says: quote, the director general of the health ministry, Dr. Munir al-Burush, and a spokesman for Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunus, where the bodies are being examined, said a document found inside each body bag indicated the bodies all came from said Taiman, a military base in the Nagab desert, where, according to photos and testimonies published by The Guardian last year, Palestinian detainees were held in cages, blindfolded and handcuffed, shackled to the hospital beds, and forced to wear nappies.
Last year, the Israeli army launched a criminal investigation, which is continuing into the death of 36 prisoners detained at said diamond.
Some of the photographs of Palestinian bodies seen by The Guardian, which cannot be published due to their graphic nature, show several of the victims blindfolded, their hands tied behind their back.
One image shows a rope fastened around a man's neck.
Doctors in Khan Unis said official examination and field observations, quote, clearly indicate that Israel carried out acts of murder, summary execution, and systematic torture against many of the Palestinians.
Health officials said the documented findings included, quote, clear signs of direct gunfire at point-blank range and bodies crushed beneath Israeli tank tracks.
Ayed Barhun, the administrative director of Nasser Medical Complex, said the bodies carried, quote, no names but just codes, which is how the Nazis identified Jews by numbers tattooed onto their body.
And anybody who's followed these stories and this prison in particular, this detention facility, understands this has been happening.
We interviewed members from Israeli human rights groups on our show about a major report that they issued documenting the systemic torture and abuse and death inside these Israeli detention facilities.
They are repulsive and primitive.
And not to make too much of a point of this, but some Israelis who returned from Gaza, Israeli hostages, were malnourished because all of Gaza was deprived of food purposely.
So obviously if you deprive Gaza of food, it's going to apply to everybody inside Gaza, including the hostages, but only a few were.
Most of the Israelis released by Hamas look incredibly healthy and well-fed.
And a lot of them, especially at the beginning, gave interviews about how well good their treatment was.
Some of them have done so recently.
Then they kind of get to them and they start changing the story.
Compare how the Israelis look who are being released from Gaza to how the Palestinians look who are leaving these detention facilities.
The Palestinians leaving these detention facilities are filled with skin sores.
They're shell-shocked in their eyes.
They're held in solitary confinement or overcrowded facilities.
They're beaten.
They're raped.
All of this is documented and you can see it in their bodies and faces.
Just make that comparison and judge for yourself.
It's not hard to answer the question, would you rather be a Palestinian inside one of Israeli dungeons or be an Israeli kept in Gaza by Hamas?
Not saying the Israeli treatment was universally good.
Some of them were actually killed.
Most of them who died died, obviously, in air attacks by the IDF and other kinds of attacks.
If you indiscriminately bomb a place the way Israel did, in Gaza, you're going to kill a lot of people you don't want to kill, including hostages who are inside Gaza.
That's obvious.
So I'm not saying they were all well treated, but I'm saying on the whole, the ones who leave Gaza look way, way better and are far healthier than the ones leaving these Israeli dungeons.
A BBC report from August, and I know everybody thinks media is biased against them, so Israel supporters think the BBC is incredibly anti-Israel, even though there's been reports, including from people inside the BBC, about all the pressure to censor anti-Israel reports.
But here's what the BBC reported in early August.
The BBC World Service has compiled material on over 160 cases where children have been shot in Gaza and found that in 95 cases, the child was shot in the head or the chest.
In most of these cases, the victim was under 12 years old.
The cases we found run from the I don't know why I cut stop there, but you get the gist of it.
There's been reporting as well in the New York Times and other places about what is clearly a deliberate attempt by the IDF to snipe children in the head or in the chest.
They had Western doctors who came back from Gaza who said that it was clear the IDF would almost play games like this week we're going to shoot them in the abdomen, this week we're going to shoot them in the skull.
This week we're going to shoot them in the knee because you would have these repetitive gunshot wounds.
I'm talking about young children as the report indicates 12 and and and younger.
Here is Sari Bashi.
She is an Israeli-American human rights lawyer on Democracy Now on October 20th talking about some of these findings.
She's the head of Human Rights Watch and she's Israeli-American.
Israeli military is still holding about 9,000 Palestinians and what it calls security prisoners or detainees.
Only about 1,000 of them have actually been committed of any crime, convicted of any crime.
The vast majority of people being held are being held without trial, either in what's called administrative detention for the West Bank or the unlawful combatants law for folks from Gaza.
That means that there's no allegation that they've committed a crime.
They're being held on a charge of dangerousness that is backed by secret evidence that neither they nor their lawyers can either see or challenge.
It is an arbitrary system in which every day, including yesterday, the Israeli military is rounding up more and more Palestinians from the West Bank now and just refilling those detention and prison cells where people are subject to serious abuse.
In a very limited way, it's like Guantanamo was in the sense that almost nobody in Guantanamo that was held there had ever been charged with a crime, had ever been shown evidence of their guilt, let alone given an opportunity to contest it.
And then once the Supreme Court in 2008 ruled that anyone under American power, anyone under U.S. sovereignty or in U.S. custody has the right to at least one habeas corpus hearing or at least one due process hearing to go into a court and say, show me the evidence of my guilt and to challenge it, hundreds of them were proven to be innocent and were released.
So we kept being told, oh, don't worry that we're imprisoning these people in a cage in the middle of the ocean with no trial and with no evidence.
We promise you, these are the worst of the worst.
We've confirmed it.
These aren't just terrorists.
These are the worst of the worst.
And it turned out huge numbers of them were innocent for various reasons.
They were misidentified.
People got money for turning them in.
People who didn't like them made claims about them.
The U.S. military just picked them up or allied governments did.
Now, the reason I say it's a limited comparison is because the Israeli dungeons hold many, many, many more times the number of Palestinians and Americans kept in Guantanamo, even at the peak of Guantanamo.
And for as bad as the treatment in Guantanamo was, including waterboarding and torture, the treatment in these Israeli dungeons is infinitely worse.
If you say to me, would you rather be a prisoner in Guantanamo for 10 years or a Palestinian prisoner detainee in an Israeli dungeon for a year, I would say put me in Guantanamo for 10 years.
I'm not kidding.
I wouldn't even have difficulty.
The chance that you're going to end up permanently disabled, if not killed, in these rail dungeons is very high.
And by the way, you should also think about that in terms of this issue of whether we want Trump going around just blowing boats up and then afterwards claiming, oh, don't worry, everyone on that boat, I promise you, is not just involved in drugs, but is a narco-terrorist bringing drugs to the United States on a small boat thousand miles away.
Even if the government's being as well-intentioned as possible, they're going to end up killing a lot of people who are innocent or imprisoning a lot of people who are innocent.
That's why due process is so crucial.
That's why the best solution, if we really think a drug, a boat is carrying drugs, is to interdict the boat, which we can easily do.
Take the people on the boat, put them into prison, have them be charged with crimes, show a court they're guilty with evidence, and then imprison them for life.
Not just blow them up because we have a little suspicion in the process of killing innocent fishermen.
That's the model of Guantanamo.
And it's especially the model of what Israel is doing, which is why I think those people are absolutely deserve to be called hostages.
And these are the kinds of reports that are now going to start surfacing where you're going to see the true, true depth of the depravity of the Israeli government and Israeli political culture, especially when it comes to Palestinians whom they absolutely regard as subhuman.
And the thing to always keep in mind is that the United States pays for it, arms it, enables it, defends it, and therefore is as responsible as the Israelis are.
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It's sort of the pseudonym of a far-right activist in the UK who has largely become associated with activism on behalf of extreme types of nationalism, anti-immigration.
You know, a very familiar type of figure in terms of American politics.
And Tommy Robinson, despite being associated with what a lot of people call the far right, and he's kind of become the mainstream right at this point, and a lot of people assume that there's lots of anti-Semitism on the far right.
Tommy Robinson has long been a very vocal supporter of Israel.
He's been in and out of jail in the UK, not for particularly convincing reasons, but his liberty has been in jeopardy.
He's been a figure who's been attacked and marginalized and punished in a lot of different ways.
Very vulnerable figure for that reason.
Once you get into that position where they're putting you in prison, going after your assets, you're vulnerable to a lot of different things.
And a lot of times, you want to make sure that the people who might attack you most are people who you're placating.
If you're that kind of person, if you're a kind of person who faced with threats, not doesn't say, I'm going to go to war with these people, but says, oh my God, I'm afraid of these people.
I better do everything I can to please them.
And there's been a lot of suspicion among British Jews, in particular, about whether Tommy Robinson is somebody that is actually anti-Semitic.
He's made comments about Jews in the past that they believe have been evidence of anti-Semitism.
And to compensate for that, he has become a fanatical supporter of Israel.
In one way, there is this kind of faction on the far right that believes that the ultimate evil is Islam or Muslims and therefore see Israel as a natural ally, no matter what they think of Jews, because Israel also is at war with Muslims.
And the Israelis and its supporters love to play on that strategy.
That's why you see people like Geert Wilders in the Netherlands and even Ring the Penn, even the AFD in Germany, becoming among Israel's most stalwart supporters.
That was never the case.
Marung Le Pen's father, who founded that party, was widely regarded as an anti-Semite, as a Holocaust denier, as a big enemy of Israel.
But the new modern right, especially because they're focused on Muslims, are very vulnerable to this idea that, oh, if you hate Muslims and we hate Muslims, you should align with Israel.
And some of them do, not all, but some.
And Tommy Robinson is definitely one of the people, for whatever reasons, who has become that, one of the most extreme models of this sort of far-right figure who nonetheless worships Israel.
And Tommy Robinson is in Israel and he has spent the week in Israel.
And one of the things that they're doing is sort of putting him through these re-education programs where he's constantly every day.
They give him an agenda and he has to go somewhere and be lectured to or scolded by or condescended to some Israeli.
And he sits there and he's always in front of a camera.
You know, they're just they want it to be recorded and seen by the world.
It's kind of like a ritual to make him just become more and more captive to more and more submissive towards this kind of very ardent Zionist agenda.
And he seems to be very happy about it.
It's almost like Stockholm syndrome, like the idea that if you're hostage, you're held hostage long enough, you start to fall in love with and identify with your captors.
It's really uncomfortable to watch.
I mean, there's so many videos of him this week in Israel that are just so cringe-inducing because of just how the posture that he's adopted of just being this kind of person who needs to be scolded and chastised and retrained into the right way of thinking when it comes to Israel.
Even though he's already very pro-Israel, it's not enough.
He's not reverent enough and empathetic enough towards Jews.
And he's there to learn and improve and to demonstrate it for the Israelis with whom he's been told to meet on camera.
It's really quite a ritualistic hazing.
And he just keeps doing it one day after the next.
And as you're about to see, it's actually not working, but he keeps doing it more and more in the hopes that it will.
Here's Tommy Robinson speaking with an Israeli named Flor Hassan Nahum.
And she wants to explain to him why Jews have long been nervous about him and people like him in his movement.
And he's very, very understanding.
Bizarrely, so watch this.
Do you understand though that people may have some skepticism or even paranoia?
By the way, she's the foreign ministry special envoy.
So she worked with the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
He's been sent to meet with her, and this is what she has to say to him.
Do you understand, though, that people may have some skepticism or even paranoia?
I mean, you know the history of the Jewish people.
It's thousands of years of discrimination.
It's the BNP, it's, you know, the cable street riots, all of these things.
Do you understand where that skepticism could come from?
I've done the Holocaust Memorial Museum today.
I understand it a lot better now.
You do?
After that, yeah.
I understand why members of the Jewish community get so whether it be protective, passionate, angry, upset by anti-Semitic tropes.
Because things have been said before that, and I think, really?
What are you talking about?
Why are you getting so upset by that?
But after doing the tour today, I understand a lot better from that.
In the sense of the dehumanization, it wasn't just start murdering Jews, it was a propaganda for you.
To get it into a position, so I understand it more better after today.
That's what I come out with that museum thinking to myself, well, I'll get it a bit better.
I understand it.
Can you believe that?
So he goes to Israel and they take him to the Holocaust Museum.
And he goes and they film him there.
And then once he's done, he has to go sit with these women from the foreign ministry.
And she's like, do you understand why so many Jews are suspicious of you and not particularly welcoming of you and your kind?
He's like, I just want to show you this body language here.
It's just like such the body language of chastisement.
It's almost like it's like, let me see if I can just calculate it.
Riots, all of these things.
Do you understand where that skepticism is?
There it is.
Look at that.
Look at that.
That's like an eight-year-old boy called to the principal's office, knowing he's been caught doing something naughty.
And the principal is a very stern woman, but like a little bit empathetic, giving him space to kind of admit his mistake and promise to be better.
And he feels chastised.
So he's kind of looking down.
He's playing with his, uncomfortably with his nail.
He doesn't want to face his accuser directly because he feels shame about what he is and what he's done.
Just kind of like looking down as a way of like escaping the direct eye contact, playing with his finger, just like showing this kind of very fragile softness.
And he says, like, yes, I don't understand it fully.
I'm going to.
I'm still learning, but I understand it much better now.
I went to the Holocaust Museum.
I understand the perspective of Jews, why they don't like me, what I need to do more of.
I'm not there yet.
I still have a lot to learn.
That's what I'm here for in Israel to do, is to learn, to be re-educated.
But I promise you, I'm definitely on my way.
Here, he met with someone named Yeshai Fleischer, who I believe is Israeli.
He's wearing the yamuka.
He's obviously Jewish, a religious Jew.
And even this picture on the screen is Tommy Robinson sitting there with his arms passively down at his side, looking straight to the camera.
And Mr. Fleischer is facing him with his chair in front of him, like very aggressive posture, pointing at him, even touching his arm.
And Tommy Robinson is just accepting this invasion of his personal space by somebody who's lecturing him with his finger and even speaking very disparagingly about Tommy Robinson's society and his country.
And Tommy Robinson ends up agreeing with him that the British are shit.
British are scum.
British are the unchosen ones.
And it's the Jews and the Israelis, the Israeli Jews in particular, who are the ones to whom everybody owes a duty.
Watch this.
The UK has got a special place in my heart.
Because on the one hand, they really helped give birth to the Jewish state in World War I. The Balfour Declaration, the San Remo Accords, the mandate for a Jewish Palestine, the UK was at the forefront of that.
And then they turned on us.
I was about to say that.
They turned on us, man.
And therefore, they have a special place in hell for turning on the Jewish people.
You were like doing this great thing.
You were helping Israel be reborn after 2,000 years of exile.
And it was, you know, it was a biblical value.
It was also a defense for a UK value.
But it all turned on us.
Can we turn it back?
Can we turn it back?
So just the premise there seems pretty clear, which is very manifest, which is everybody has a duty to serve the agenda of Jews.
And if you do so, you're going to be eternally rewarded.
But if you turn on the Jews, there's a special place reserved in hell for you.
It's not just hell.
There's a special place for people who betray the Jews, a special place.
Your duty as a human being, if you're religious, if you believe in God, is that you have to serve the Jews.
And look at him sitting there smirking.
I mean, look at that body language just here.
I stopped it randomly here.
Yeshai Fleischer is looking very smug, very happy, very confident, very secure, right at the camera.
And Tommy Robinson, again, he's looking away.
And the whole time, his body language is so uncomfortable because he just sat there and said, your country is shit.
You were doing well for a while.
You were serving our agenda.
You helped us create the state of Israel.
But you've turned on us.
And now you have a special place in hell.
And he wants to know from Tommy Robinson what he can do to make sure Britain goes back to their posture that they should have that God wants, which is serving the Jews.
That's what he said.
And look at Tommy Robinson.
He's looking away.
He's looking at the wall, looking down.
The whole time, his body language is like that.
Getting touched, getting pointed at and fingered, just like getting more and more just submissive as it happens.
So obviously, and then here's what Tommy Robinson says.
The British government have just turned on Israel.
But when they've been turning on us for a long time.
Yeah, but when we say they, it's the British government.
So let's separate the people from the establishment.
The establishment have turned.
It's like when the American establishment were in power under Joe Biden.
The American people didn't support that.
The British public don't support what the British government have just done.
If it was put to a democratic vote on whether the British public wished to recognize the state of Palestine, it would be a resounding no.
It would be a resounding no.
So the people haven't turned on Israel.
The people haven't turned on Jews.
The left-wing establishment have turned because they're appeasing their block vote and they're appeasing their future vote.
Please don't blame us.
The people still love Israel.
We love the Jews.
All of us, we love it.
If you asked, okay, first of all, who elected these governments?
Who elected the Labor Party?
Who elected Keir Starmer?
Also, the idea that the Israeli government is this left-wing anti-Israel government is one of the biggest jokes.
The British supply Israel with intelligence.
They do reconnaissance fights over Gaza.
They provide them with weapons and money.
The Labor Party cleansed itself of Israel critics because there was this manufactured smear campaign that Jeremy Corbyn, who was the Labor of the Leader Party, was some raging anti-Semite, brought in a bunch of anti-Semitism with him.
And so Keir Starmer has been dutifully cleansing the Labor Party of anybody who's critical of Israel.
But again, it's never enough.
Somehow now Keir Starmer is the enemy of Israel, some radical leftist.
Please.
But, you know, Tommy Robinson is not going to argue with anybody.
He's there to be scolded.
He's there to be trained.
And he's just begging, please don't blame us.
It's our government that was democratically elected.
It's our government that has done that.
Here is, I mean, just all of, like, the Israelis who are talking to him just adopt this thuggish, almost like mob-like, mobster-like posture with him.
You know, they're there just to like scold him and to tell him what to do.
And they're physical about it.
They're not even subtle about it.
Here he is talking to Amir Ohana.
And the idea here is that Ohana is going to gift Tommy Robinson or show Tommy Robinson with a book that the idea is that he's never seen before.
The problem is that Tommy Robinson was told what the script was and dutifully followed it, but he got caught up.
He lost track of what the script was.
And he went to show the book before Amir Ohana could pretend that he's giving it to him or showing it to the first time.
Tommy Robinson went to pick up the book and the look that Tommy Robinson got and the physicality that Ohana used to scold him, I mean, it was just, it was, it's, again, it's like a principal and a scolded child.
I mean, just everything about this whole scene shows the dynamic so clearly.
But watch what happens.
It's around 40 seconds in when Tommy Robinson does what he's not supposed to do, which is picked up the book before he's told to.
Will your leadership maintain the European, the Judeo-Christian values and the Western way of life that Europe enjoyed for so many years and the freedoms that we share?
Or will they cave in?
Because when the immigrants come in small numbers, they seek to assimilate.
When they come in large numbers, they seek to dominate.
The question is who's stronger, who will win?
And will the Europeans manage to unite to stand against the forces of radicalism and extremism and fundamentalism?
Where did the Israelis get the idea that they have the right to just go around lecturing to the world about how they're supposed to run their societies?
Why do the Israelis believe that they're in the position to dictate to the British what their immigration policy should be, how many people they should let in, what kinds of people they should let in?
Obviously, the only concern here that he has, and this is the speaker of the Knesset, Ohana, I should have said that at the beginning, but the only concern here he has is not the well-being of the British people.
I hope that's not shocking.
It's not whether British Britain or Europe remains a society that adheres to its white European values.
I don't think the speaker of the Knesset cares about that at all.
Why would he?
He's Israeli, not European.
He actually might be European by ancestry.
probably is, but he's not European in his focus.
What he's obviously doing is lecturing Europe about how they're allowing too many Muslims in, how they're allowing the Muslims too many freedoms because Muslims are Israel's enemy and they want to dictate to Europe and to the United States, limit the freedoms of people in your country to criticize Israel, limit what we consider radicalism.
Don't elect Zoharan Mandani.
He's a critic of Israel.
Don't have immigration policies that allow Muslims in and allow them freedom.
This is what the whole thing is.
He's lecturing to Tommy Robinson.
Tommy Robinson is supposedly a nationalist.
By definition, nationalist has pride in your country.
You believe in its sovereignty.
You believe in the right of the British people to decide what the British, what will happen in Britain.
I mean, that's minimalistically nationalist.
And yet he's there, again, looking so chastised as this much larger, taller, stronger, more domineering Israeli official in the Knesset lectures to him what the UK has to do with regard to its own policies.
He's grateful for it.
All right, watch the rest of this.
80 years ago, we have lost 6 million of our people.
You have a 6 million people.
Okay, just watch that.
Tommy Robinson goes to pick up this book that he's not supposed to know about.
He's supposed to pretend to know about before he's been ordered to do so.
And watch what this speaker of the Knesset, Amir Ohana, does to correct the behavior.
It's very much like if you're training a dog and the dog misbehaves, you correct it in the moment.
You say, no.
You make clear that they're not supposed to do that.
And you obviously don't use words.
You use gestures.
You use physics.
You use to do it.
You don't shock your dog.
You don't hit it.
But you communicate in the way that dogs understand.
And that's exactly what he did here.
He kind of corrected the behavior immediately, but way more aggressive than I would ever do with a dog.
But he really made clear physically that this is not permitted.
It's not the time to pick up the book until he's told to.
Six million of our people.
You have a six million of our people.
Men, women, children, elders.
We are a people that remembers.
We don't forget.
What you see here on my desk, this book, very large one, a very heavy one, contains only one word.
Very small, very tiny, almost invisible, only one word.
And that word is Jew.
It's written here six million times.
And when you hold it and you realize that every line represents your classroom, every few lines, the whole school.
Every page is a village.
Every few pages, a town.
It is only then that you realize what we, the Jewish people, have lost during the Holocaust and what it is that we fight for in our one and only Jewish state in our country.
I think sometimes people have a hard time understanding why so many American politicians are so seemingly brainwashed and devoted to Israel.
Obviously, part of it is the fear of the Israeli lobby for sure.
They've demonstrated multiple times.
They can destroy your career, your reputation.
They can remove you from Congress if you stray too far from the agenda.
Obviously, that's part of the reason.
But propaganda really works.
And the Israelis are expert propagandists.
If you make that pilgrimage to Israel that essentially every member of Congress is required to do multiple times, most of them come back re-educated, just like Tommy Robinson is enduring here.
They come back re-educated.
People ask all the time, you know, Richie Torres is a half-black, half-Latino, American of Dominican descent.
And he represents the single poorest district, congressional district in all of the United States.
Can we go back to the board, please?
He represents a single poorest district in all the United States, and yet he spends huge amounts of time defending Israel, supporting Israel, heralding Israel, supporting Israel, condemning critics of Israel.
like why did that he grew up in the projects in in Harlem And somehow Israel, defending Israel became his Primary passion as if the people who he represents are somehow invested in that or their lives are better by him being an ardent defender of Israel,
sending money to Israel instead of to improve schools and infrastructure and anything else, help the health care system for the poorest district in the United States.
Why is that?
And one of the reasons, again, there's a lot of reasons.
I mean, politicians in New York who have aspirations for higher office, as obviously Richie Torres does, knows that Hillary Clinton's finance person in 2006 when she was getting ready to run for president, Hank Shankopf, who's an American Jew, big financier, said that if you're a New York politician, Jews are essentially the ATAM machine for political campaigns.
That's not my saying that, that's him saying that.
And it was in the context of asking, why is Hillary so hawkish?
Why is she so pro-Israel?
Why is she so anti-Iran?
He's like, look, she's in the Senate, New York.
And if you want to have political in New York, that's the reality is that Jewish donors are the ATAM machines of American politics.
So obviously, if you aspire to higher office, you might calculate from a career's perspective that being pro-Israel is extremely important to your rise.
But also, Richard Torres went to those trips, those propaganda trips in Israel, like the one Tommy Robinson is going on.
Tommy Robinson is going on one that's very specifically catered to who he is: someone associated with the right, a white nationalist from Europe.
But they also have ones very specific to gay people who go, like Richie Torres, or gay black people who go.
And everything you're shown, being shown and told in the way it's framed, you know, like, hey, you're in Tel Aviv.
Let's take you to a gay pride parade.
Let's take you to a great gay bar.
Here, all these hot Israeli men look at how vibrant the scene, the gay scene, is in Israel, and you're a gay politician.
You're like, wow, and then they show you videos of Hamas killing gay people or whatever.
And you're like, look, we love the gays.
You're gay.
You should be very pro-Israel.
I watch left-wing politicians in Brazil who are gay go on these trips and come back and start becoming pro-Zionist.
Imagine in the Brazilian left doing that.
But that's how effective those trips are.
These propaganda trips, they're no joke.
And to watch Tommy Robinson being re-educated in real time in a way that's obviously designed to humiliate him as much as possible to force him into just reciting his love for Jews in Israel over and over, his priority, saying, Yeah, I went to the Holocaust Museum today.
I understand much better now.
It's very effective, not just for Tommy Robinson, but for anybody watching.
Here is a just kind of summary, by the way, of I'll just show you a little bit.
This is from TRT World of just how longstanding Tommy Robinson's devotion to Israel is.
And the tweet that they introduced to show this video is: British far-right agitator Tommy Robinson has long-running ties with Israel and was even nicknamed Tel Aviv Tommy.
Tel Aviv Tommy.
Currently on a state-sponsored tour of Israel, he is a British patriot, as he claims, or a foreign asset of the Israeli state.
That's what's so bizarre.
I mean, again, you're a nationalist, a British nationalist.
Why are you in Israel having them tell you what to do and what to think and how your country should run and how your country's shit because you don't do enough for Israel?
And you just sit there nodding your head.
Here is just part of this report.
British far-right figure Tommy Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley Lenin, arrived in Tel Aviv last Wednesday, October the 15th on a trip subsidized by the state of Israel.
The anti-Islam activist was officially invited by Amichai Shikli, Israel's Minister for Diaspora Affairs and Combating Anti-Semitism.
Shikli said the invitation followed a recent attack on a synagogue in Manchester, UK.
But the visit triggered backlash.
Even the UK-based Jewish groups, usually supportive of Israel, including the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council, condemned Robinson's presence in Israel.
They cited his extensive criminal record and his reputation as a divisive hate preacher.
But this state-sponsored trip also put a spotlight on something deeper: Robinson's long-standing ties with Israel.
And for those of you listening, they showed two pictures of him: one of him wearing a Mossad t-shirt, smiling like a complete imbecile, another kind of smirking with an IDF t-shirt.
Standing ties with Israel.
Last year, British rapper Loki released a video revealing links between Robinson's former group, the English Defense League, and Zionist organizations, which supported, or in some cases, even funded it.
Loki points out that even after the EDL disbanded, Robinson has continued to receive funding from pro-Israel organizations.
So this is how Israel infiltrates every country.
They commandeer people, they bring them over to Israel, they fund them, they finance them, they threaten them, and then they reward them.
It's not the only reason why the United States and numerous countries in Western Europe are so fanatically pro-Israel.
There are definitely others, but this is a major one.
And although entertaining in one sense, watching somebody like Tommy Robinson who thinks he's such a tough guy, like this voice of the working class, the white working class in the UK go over and just be treated like an animal.
And again, like I said, I wouldn't correct, I wouldn't use such aggressive behavior to correct dogs who misbehave that they're using on camera repeatedly over and over to retrain him and also to retrain his followers, not just him.
He's just a proxy.
But it is really indicative of how powerful these and coordinated these are.
And as that, as that video alluded to, I think we have the Hurretz report here.
It's actually not even working.
He can go and just praise Jews in Israel every day, all day, and it's still not enough.
As Huratz reports, his video report also alluded to it.
This was from yesterday, quote, slap in the face, Israeli minister ordered to apologize for inviting British far-right agitator Tommy Robinson.
Quote, at a hearing of the Knesset committee charged with relations with Jewish communities abroad, a senior official said that, quote, to the best of my knowledge, Israel's foreign ministry had not been consulted about the visit.
So this ministry of the diaspora and anti-Semitism, who invited Tommy Robinson there, is now being forced to apologize for having done so because the groups of British Jews who are very aggressive, they're the ones who waged war against Jeremy Corbyn, who demanded that labor purge any Israel critics from their party, which they have now done, are outraged.
How dare you?
He has said negative things in the past about Jews.
He's a divisive hate preacher.
And even if it's to propagandize him and make him recite on camera his love of Israel and the Jews, he still hasn't done enough to warrant that kind of rehabilitation.
So now the Israeli minister, despite every hoop that Tommy Robinson has jumped through so dutifully in Israel, now is going to have to apologize for inviting him.
So we endured all of this humiliation, all of this ritualistic retraining, just to then be maligned from the other side.
So he's going to get a lot of criticism we're going through and just being so suffine in the face of these Israelis.
And then on the other hand, he's going to be criticized by Israel supporters because the foreign ministry is going to have to apologize for even letting him onto Israeli soil.
Just complete and utter debacle.
In part, it shows what happens that if you try and placate the pro-Israel lobby, if you try and do anything other than devote your life to 100% serving their agenda, it's going to be a thankless task.
They're going to attack you as anti-Semites.
That's what Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk said right before he was killed, which is we're both super pro-Israel, but because we occasionally question things, now we're being maligned as anti-Semites.
Like, no, we're not accepting that because they're actually people with some degree of pride and dignity.
Tommy Robinson has none.
Who knows what else his vulnerabilities are, what his fears are.
And he's willing to go and just renounce all of his dignity, sacrifice it at the door for whatever benefits he thinks he's deriving from being in Israel.
I think he probably thought he was just getting like a free trip where he was going to sit in the Tel Aviv beach and kind of drink pina coladas.
Our friend Mel Witte basically said that today that, oh, look, he thought he was just going to go there and be introduced to nice Israeli women and drink and be on the beach.
And instead, he's just been put through the wringer.
It's like a struggle session, like just a Stalinist re-education camp.
He's so happy to endure it.
But then it's all going to end with the Israeli government, Israeli officials apologizing for even letting him on to Israeli soil because British Jewish groups, Zionist groups insist that he's still not sufficiently rehabilitated to give him this sort of treatment.
So it's just a warning sign of how much of your soul you have to sell and give up if you want to remain in good standing with the pro-Israel lobby.
But it's also, I think, more so, just don't underestimate them.
As I said in the first segment, polling data is changing.
People in the United States are abandoning Israel.
Don't write them off.
These are very, very shrewd and cunning people who have demonstrated their adeptness with manipulation of other countries' political affairs, with their use of power in various forms to get their will, to get their way.
And these propaganda campaigns that they're going to continue to subject people to, to lure people into, if you don't think critically, you're going to get there and after 24 hours, you're going to be a lifelong Zionist.
That's how powerful these are.
I've seen it happen before.
There's examples everywhere and you're seeing it in real time, exactly how it plays out.
It's almost like a documentary on the extreme potency of Israeli propaganda.
It's really worth looking at for that reason.
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