What are CBS News' Billionaire Heirs Doing with Bari Weiss? With Ryan Grim on the Funding Behind It; Europe Capitulates to Trump Again
As support for Israel declines among every age group, corporate media outlets scramble to spread their pro-Israel narrative. Plus: Drop Site News co-founder and journalist Ryan Grim discusses the Skydance/Paramount merger, Bari Weiss's potential role at CBS, and the pro-Israel nonprofit pushing news content through The Free Press. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch full episodes on Rumble, streamed LIVE 7pm ET. Become part of our Locals community Follow System Update: Twitter Instagram TikTok Facebook
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Tonight, polls in the United States have consistently shown over the last two years a significant drop in approval for Israel, both for the country and itself and the ongoing U.S. financing of their military and their various wars.
These drastic changes in public opinion have understandably alarmed both Israel and its most devoted supporters in the United States, causing them to engage in a series of frantic and drastic measures, from shutting down platforms such as TikTok, which allow too much Israel criticism, to imposing increasingly rigid hate speech codes on American campuses to ban a wide range of common criticisms of that foreign country.
Perhaps most pernicious of all is a new campaign that has largely eluded journalistic scrutiny.
David Ellison is the son of one of the richest people on the planet, Oracle founder Larry Ellison.
With his inherited billion-dollar fortune, Ellison, the son, is now buying Paramount, the company that owns, among other things, CBS News.
The Ellison family is one of the most devout and fanatical supporters of Israel anywhere.
They have donated and raised hundreds of millions of dollars, likely billions, to support this foreign country and to keep Americans supporting it as well.
Not only is this billionaire heir to this fortune that he didn't earn but just received now in the process of buying CBS News and all of its related media companies, but he is also planning on placing another person whose primary cause is Israel, Barry Weiss, at the center of CBS News, perhaps with substantial editorial influence or even control over it.
We'll examine all of these obviously consequential events and then speak to the independent journalist Ryan Grimm, the founder of Dropsite News and a co-host of Breaking Points about a new investigative article he published with Bertaza Hussein about who exactly guides Barry Weiss's media outlet, the free press, which seems to be now set to be at the center of one of America's oldest, most prestigious, and most influential news outlets.
Then, many people debate whether the 21st century will be another American century or whether the 21st century will be the Chinese century, but what seems beyond dispute is that the 21st century is already becoming the century of supreme humiliation for Europe, reducing that continent even further to little more than a glorified vassal state.
This week, EU President Ursula Vondele, never elected by anybody, agreed to a tariff deal with President Trump that constitutes a complete victory for the United States, no matter how you look at it, and complete capitulation for the EU.
While the day after, Donald Trump symbolically forced UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer on his own soil to travel to Trump's golf course in Scotland to meet the American president rather than meeting him at 10 Downing Street, his own prime ministerial residence.
We'll examine the sad but well-deserved dynamic driving Europe further and further out of the realm of influence and relevance.
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A lot of different measures have been undertaken over the past 18 months, really a lot longer than that, but they've intensified over the last, say, 20 months since October 7th began as not just Americans, but the world increasingly watched some of the most horrifying images we've ever seen live streamed to us on a daily basis,
sometimes on an hourly basis, of children getting blown up, of entire families being extinguished and being wiped out, of essentially all of Gaza and civilian life there being destroyed systematically, while Israeli officials openly admit that their goal is to do exactly that, to cleanse the people, to cleanse Gaza of the people who live there, to either force them to leave, kill them, or concentrate them in tiny little camps, what has also long been known as concentration camps.
And the evidence of this has become so compelling that many Western politicians who have never been willing to utter a word of criticism about Israel are now feeling almost required to stand up on a soapbox and speak of Israel in terms as critical and condemning as I'm sure they never imagined they would.
Same is true for many media outlets, for organizations.
Just in the last week alone, both France and then today the UK sort of recognized the Palestinian state, something they had always refused to do except in connection with a agreement of which Israel was a part.
Even Donald Trump came out within the last three days and in direct defiance of Benjamin Netanyahu's proclamation that there's no starvation policy that Israel has imposed on Gaza and not even according to Netanyahu any starvation at all.
Donald Trump said there's absolutely starvation in Gaza.
You see it in the children.
You see it in the people.
These are things that you cannot fake.
And the public opinion in the United States has rapidly, not just inexorably, but rapidly spiraled out of control against Israel As the world turns against that country, and particularly what it's doing in Gaza.
Huge amounts of sympathy for that country emerged in the wake of October 7th.
Almost every country expressed support for it and was on its side.
But what they have done using October 7th as a pretext to achieve what were in reality long-term goals of many people inside the Israeli government, similar to how many American neocons used the 9-11 attacks to achieve all kinds of goals pre-existing 9-11, but then 9-11 became the pretext for it, including the invasion of Iraq, a whole variety of other measures as well, it has really turned large numbers of people against Israel.
And in the United States, which funds the Israeli military, which funds Israeli wars, which gives $4 billion to that country automatically every year under a 10-year deal signed by President Obama on the way out with Netanyahu, much of which is required by Israel to be used to buy weapons from American arms dealers.
So it's basically a gift certificate offered by the American people to Israel to go on a shopping spree in the military-industrial complex.
But not all of it's required for that.
And then every time Israel has a new war or wants to go fight somebody else, the United States not only transfers billions more to them, under the Biden administration, the U.S. government transferred in addition to that $4 billion a year, another $17 billion to pay for what Israel has been doing in Gaza and the West Bank and Syria and Lebanon.
But the U.S. also spends massive amounts of money just deploying our own military assets to protect Israel, to fight with Israel, to intercept missiles that are shot at Israel by countries that they're bombing.
And a lot of people who did not grow up based on indoctrination about their obligation to subsidize the Israeli state, people who, after the Iraq War and the 2008 financial crisis and the disruptions of COVID and the lives that accompany each of those, began losing trust and faith in American institutions, but also began losing their own economic security.
It was once basically a guarantee of middle class or working class life in the United States that you could start a family, have kids, buy a house, have a car or two, have one of the couple work.
And none of that is true any longer for most Americans.
And so a lot of people have started to ask, wait, why are we subsidizing and financing this country when there's so many problems at home?
And why is it that we are embracing and tying ourselves to a country that every day I'm watching blowing up children and starving them to death?
And when you combine that with the fact that information is now so dispersed and no longer concentrated in the handful of tiny media corporations, all of whom had long for decades been united in the support of Israel, it makes all of that increasingly more difficult to maintain this sort of stranglehold on American discourse in favor of Israel.
And all the evidence is showing that, including the election of Zoran Mandani, at least as the Democratic Party nominee, who ran on a platform saying things like, if Benjamin Nanyahu comes to New York, I would arrest him as part of the war crimes warrant that has been issued against him by the ICC, something previously utterly unimaginable, especially in New York City politics, which is the city with the largest Jewish population of any city outside of Tel Aviv, anywhere on the planet.
The evidence is everywhere.
And we have seen, and this is not just true for the Israel lobby, this is true for every power center.
If their power becomes threatened, they start to try and identify where those threats are coming from, and they try and neutralize them or crush them or commandeer them or co-op them.
This is what establishments do.
This is what power centers do.
That's what makes them worthy of that title.
And that's absolutely been the case when it comes to the panic among Israel and Israel supporters in the United States over this crumbling of this bipartisan consensus in favor of having the United States fund and protect Israel.
We've seen all sorts of censorship efforts in the United States in the name of barring or punishing people who criticize Israel, arresting them, expelling them, deporting them, which we've covered at length, imposing speech codes on American college campuses to outlaw a whole wide range of ideas about Israel that are critical of that country and that state, even in the face of our own culture and tradition and constitutional framework of free speech.
We've reported endlessly on how it was that TikTok, the ban on TikTok, pended and was stagnant for four years in Washington when the only claim for closing TikTok was it poses a threat from the Chinese.
That was nowhere near enough.
It only got enough votes.
After October 7th, once Democratic Party leaders became convinced that the reason so many young people had turned against Israel was because TikTok was allowing too much criticism of Israel and therefore had to be banned.
We've seen it from all corners.
This attempt to panic, this kind of panicked attempt to get a stranglehold reimposed on American discourse, and it's just not working.
And now we're seeing some truly extreme measures being undertaken.
I'm not saying with the exclusive intent of reimposing a pro-Israel consensus.
Certainly it seems part of the intent.
And at the very least, it will definitely be the effect if it ends up working.
So let's just go to the basics of what has been happening here.
Basically, Paramount, which is the parent company of CBS, the corporate parent of CBS, which has not just CBS entertainment properties, but CBS News, 60 Minutes, all the flagship programs of CBS, the morning show that have been influential in the United States for many decades, is up for sale.
And the entity which is attempting to purchase it, to purchase Paramount and all of the entities that go with it, including CBS News, is being led by the son of one of the world's richest people.
The world's richest person being Larry Ellison, the multi-multi-billionaire net worth of something like $60, $70 billion, who founded Oracle, the Silicon Valley company back in the 1990s, became one of the top 10 richest people on the planet.
As a result, he is a fanatical supporter of Israel.
And his little boy, his son, is now inheriting the fortune.
He's an heir to the fortune, like a little princeling, which is how so much of our world works, even though we thought we had liberated ourselves from that with British aristocracies and landed gentry and the like.
You see this everywhere.
And the son's name is David Ellison, and he is at least as fanatical of a supporter of Israel as his father is.
They're both American citizens, but Israel, the foreign country, Israel, is their focus.
Here from the Jerusalem Post, and Israeli media describes things in this way, in a way that American media can't for obvious reasons, but Jerusalem Post is a very mainstream newspaper in Israel.
July 31st, 2024, there's the headline, Jewish business leaders transform the media landscape with an $8 billion deal, quote, in a groundbreaking strategic move reshaping the U.S. media market.
Brandon Korf, heir to the Paramount Empire, has decided to sell control of the media and film empire to David Ellison, heir to Larry Ellison's media empire.
So you have two pro-Israel heirs to billionaire fortunes doing a little game with each other, selling Paramount from one to the other.
The deal valued at $8 billion stands out as one of the most significant and intriguing transactions in the U.S. media market, showcasing the next generation of the world's most influential Jewish business leaders.
Again, this is not anyone saying this other than the Jerusalem Post.
Korf and Ellison grew up in families with economic empires but had built independent and dominant business worlds that are now culminating in a massive deal.
Oh yeah, they're also incredible meritocrats, all done on their own through their hard work, just through sweat and blood and tears.
Quote, this is the next generation of global Jewish leadership, says a source familiar with the details.
Quote, these two young men love Israel, are connected to their Judaism, have Zionist values, and it's very encouraging to see that in such successful families, the values are passed on to the younger generations.
Both quietly donate quite a bit to the state of Israel and the IDF.
It is positive news for the Jewish world that Korf and Ellison are the next generation of global Jewish leadership connected to Israel and holding Zionist values.
And then bizarrely, the article ends with this phrase.
This article was written in cooperation with SkyDance.
Skydance is the corporate entity that was formed by the Ellisons to buy Paramount.
So I don't know what this arrangement was exactly, but according to the Jerusalem Post, the article that they reported on these two Jewish billionaires in their plan to transfer the control of Paramount and CBS News from one to the other with all of their pro-IDF and pro-Israel values was an article written in cooperation with the company itself, almost like an ad or a press release.
The significance of that is obvious.
The article itself makes that clear.
And just to give you the background, we've gone over this polling data many times.
There's a lot of it.
From Pew Research Center, April 8th, 2025, negative views of Israel have risen in the United States.
And what's always so interesting about this chart and ones like it is that negative views of Israel are rising in every demographic group.
Here's Republicans ages 18 to 49.
All Republicans, 50 and under.
I mean, to say that pro-Israel, the pro-Israel position was a borderline religious view, or at least an unquestioned dogma in Republican politics, is to put that mildly.
Although you could actually make the case that it's more so in the Democratic Party, I would make that case, actually.
The last two presidents who really challenged Israel were Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.
Although Obama did to a little bit of an extent.
But it's a bipartisan consensus.
That's been the key to the whole thing the whole time.
And here you see that negative views of Israel among Republicans ages of 14, 18 to 49 are at 50%.
50%, so majority.
50% of Republicans under 50 have an unfavorable view of Israel.
That's the exact question that was asked.
Of all U.S. adults, just all U.S. adults ignored their demographic characteristics.
It's gone up from 42% in 2022 to 53% in 2025.
A majority, an absolute majority of American citizens now disapprove of or have an unfavorable view of Israel.
And you see how much it's increased since 2022.
And obviously a major reason is the reaction to what people have been seeing and watching Israel do in Gaza.
Among Democrats, it's gone from 53 to 69%.
And among young Democrats, Democrats under 50, 71%, 71% have a negative view of Israel.
This is a massive sea change.
And if you're Israel or the large numbers of loyalists to Israel who live in the United States and have American citizenship, and you see this, of course you're going to panic.
I don't think American support is key to Israel's existence.
I think American support, though, is key to Israel's ability to dominate the region and bully the region and take and do what they want.
They could coexist peacefully with their neighbors, but that's not what that country has opted to do, especially over the last couple of decades.
And it is able to get away with it because the United States, under both parties, it doesn't matter who you vote for.
You can vote for Democrat, you can vote for Republican.
None of it will change.
Exactly the same outcome.
The U.S. government under either party will force you to subsidize Israel, to pay for Israel, to go to war for Israel, to arm it, to deploy our own service members in harm's way in order to protect it.
And here's a snapshot I mentioned earlier.
This is from Dave Weigel, the political reporter at Semaphore, summarizing a new poll that came out just today on the opinion of Democrats in New York City, where, of course, Zaran Mandani, despite being accused of being an anti-Semite over and over and over and over again, easily destroyed one of the most powerful political families in Democratic Party history, which is the Cuomo family, when he crushed Andrew Cuomo.
Here is Dave Weigel's summary of the polling data that came out today.
Quote, two-thirds or more of New York City Democratic primary voters agree with Zoron, agree with his positions on Israel, including arresting Bibi.
57% say that they might oppose Democrats who don't endorse Mandani For mayor, that includes the party's two Brooklyn-based leaders in Congress, meaning Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer.
And actually, the comments were even, pointed out it was even more amazing than that, including the fact that a plurality of Jews overall in New York support Mandani for mayor.
Remember, the narrative has been endlessly, Mandani will make New York dangerous for Jews.
Jews are going to have to leave New York.
What is Sinoan Mandani going to do to make Jews, New York dangerous for Jews?
But that's been the attack, the sinister smear campaign, the fear-mongering campaign.
Meanwhile, the actual Jewish people who live in New York, by at least a plurality, and among young people, by a large majority, support Zahra Mandani.
So you see the kind of change in our politics that's going on, not just in New York City, but all over the country.
Just this week, Marjorie Taylor Greene came out and said what Israel is doing in Gaza is a genocide, joining people like Ilian Omar and Rashida Slaib and Alexander Casa-Cortez and others in the Democratic Party.
Both Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey want to cut off American funding for Israeli, all Israeli military aid, which not even AOC is willing to do.
She wants to continue to fund Israel's defensive systems and its defensive missiles.
We went over that already, but you see the sea change that's happening.
It's very significant.
And inevitably, it's going to have to manifest into public policy.
You can only maintain a breach between the DC class and American public opinion that large for so long.
It's inevitable.
David Ellison, the person now poised to buy the companies that control CBS News and Paramount, on October 13th, 2023, on his Instagram, says this, quote, Skydan stands with Israel.
We strongly condemn the attacks against its citizens and the tragic loss of life and pray for the safe release of innocent hostages.
Hashtag I stand with Israel.
On October 23rd, in variety, in a letter to Joe Biden, the title was Hollywood Stars and Executives.
Thank President Biden for leadership.
Call for release of all Hamas hostages.
Quote, producers and corporate players who signed the letter include Sherry Redstone, Amy Pascal, Brian Grazer, David Geffen, Mattel CEO, Jan Kreis, Judd Appetal, Jessica Elbaum, Greg Berlanti, David Ellison, and WME's Ari Greenberg.
Here's part of the letter.
Dear President Biden, we are heartened by Friday's release of two American hostages, Judas Renandon and her daughter Natalie, and by today's release of two Israelis, Nurit Cooper and Yokadev Lifshitz, whose husband remains in captivity.
But our relief is tempered by our overwhelming concern that 220 innocent people, including 30 children, remain captive by terrorists, threatened with torture and death.
They were taken by Hamas in the savage massacre of October 7th, where over 1,400 Israelis were slaughtered, women raped, families burned, and infants beheaded.
Now, the reason I find that passage notable and concerning is because none of this is true.
And this person's about to take over CBS news.
1,400 Israelis did not die on October 7th.
They certainly weren't slaughtered.
The number was downgraded repeatedly.
It's now 1,100.
Six or 700 of whom were active duty Israeli military who engaged in battle with Hamas.
But the much worse lie here is the families burned alive and the infants beheaded.
Those are the lies that were deliberately peddled by the Israeli government that have been now debunked by everybody.
I don't think there's anyone left who believes that other than the hardest core Israeli propagandist, that Hamas beheaded babies or burned babies in ovens, all of that.
The rape issue has been extensively covered as well.
But here was somebody who was about to buy CBS News and control all of its key entities, including 60 Minutes, CBS Nightly News, CBS Morning Show, who was donated directly to the IDF, to the Israeli government, who was willing to endorse and perpetuate these lies in defense of a foreign government that he clearly reveres.
Thank you for your unshakable moral conviction, the letter went on.
Leadership and support for the Jewish people have been terrorized by Hamas since the group's founding over 35 years ago.
I hope I don't need to point out that throughout 2023, well before October 7th, Israel had repeatedly bombed the West Bank in Gaza, killing all sorts of innocent people, including young babies and children.
They've been killing Palestinian babies for a long, long time before October 7th.
So that framing, we've been terrorized by Hamas for the last 35 years is one-sided and tentious at best, not exactly a characteristic you want in somebody about to buy one of America's most influential media outlets.
Here's his dad, Larry Ellison.
This is back in 2014, which was another time when Israel was massively bombing Gaza, not anywhere near like now, but killing thousands of people.
That was during the Obama administration.
The Obama administration was supporting them, feeding weapons to them.
At some point, the Obama administration got queasy and started pushing back a little bit.
By and large, the Obama administration has always, the U.S. has always supported that.
And here was Larry Ellison.
He went on Channel 10 in Israel.
I believe he was in Israel at the time.
And this is what he said.
Well, the renewal of the Jewish state is something that I think touches all of us.
For 2,000 years, we were a stateless people.
And now we have a country of our own defended by all the brave men and women of the IDF.
So anything we can do to support them who devote their lives for preserving the state of Israel, keeping the people safe, and allowing our state to continue sometimes in very, very difficult situations.
Now, I realize some people are sensitive about this.
It plays into tropes and stereotypes and the like.
But, you know, like any kind of reporting, you should be careful about how you report this.
But the converse is, what are you supposed to do?
Not report on the world's richest and most influential people?
Not report on who they are, who's about to buy Paramount and CBS, not report on what their agenda is, not report on what they've said, what they've done, where they've put their money, what their intentions are.
That would be a dramatic and inexcusable abdication of responsibility.
Again, those statements were in October 2023 that we just heard from Larry Ellison about how great and how much he loves the IDF.
Those are from 2014.
Here's Variety in November of 2017 titled Friends of Israel Defense Forces.
Friends of the IDF Gala raised a record-breaking $53.8 million.
These are American citizens raising money for a foreign military, the IDF.
Friends of the IDF raised a record $53.8 million at its annual Western Region Gala on Thursday night held at the Beverly Hilton Hotel.
The figure represents the most money raised at any single FIDF event in the organization's history.
The sold-out gala, which has become one of Los Angeles' premier charitable events, united some 1,200 supporters from across the country to support the brave men and women of the IDF.
The top donation announced at the event and the largest single gift in FIDF's history was $16.6 million from Oracle co-founder, executive chairman, and chief technology officer Larry Ellison, the dad of the person who's about to buy Paramount CBS.
His donation will support the construction of well-being facilities on a new training campus for the IDF's COID infantry units.
Should that even be legal to be a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil raising money to fund a foreign military directly outside of the U.S. government?
All right, so one of the reasons why we, and we're about to have Ryan Grimm on to talk about the role that Barry Weiss is playing in all of this, so I want to just skip ahead for a second to that.
There's been a lot of controversies with CBS specifically.
There's been 60 Minute segments that made the mistake, committed the crime of reporting on the horrific suffering imposed on the people of Gaza by Israel.
That caused a lot of controversy, a lot of accusations at 60 Minutes and CBS News were anti-Semitic and anti-Israel, the outlets that are now about to fall under the control of the Ellison family.
Here from CBS News, CNBC News, just to give you a sense for where this transaction is, the FCC approves the $8 billion Paramount Skydance merger.
This is from July 24th.
Now, one of the reasons why this was so controversial is because Donald Trump had a lot of problems with 60 Minutes and CBS.
He was furious about the way they edited the Kamala Harris interview on 60 Minutes, and he sued 60 Minutes, which, I mean, as a lawyer, I can't even conceive of how that lawsuit could even be remotely viable.
But he was the president.
His administration is in power, and Skydance needs the approval of the FCC in order to merge with Paramount and have these two billionaires become the little princes of this new fiefdom.
And I don't think Donald Trump was going to give that while that suit was pending, so they paid him $15 million to settle the suit.
I think they made it a payment to his library fund.
And then at the same time, that was the concern about the firing of Stephen Colbert.
Now, I think Stephen Colbert is talentless and boring.
He's turned himself into a sanctimonious liberal hack, a glorified MSNBC host.
His show bleeds $40 million a year.
They lose $40 million a year.
But those shows are willing to sustain those kind of losses because it's a part of the franchise and a staple of the network for a long time.
And so the idea was Stephen Colbert is a, I think, very trite and very boring and very unimaginative, but still very vocal Trump opponent.
And that in order to get this deal done, Paramount and CBS had to please the Trump administration.
And one of the ways they did that, beyond paying $50 million, was to fire Stephen Colbert.
But in any event, whatever the reasons, whatever they did, congratulations to them.
This merger is about to go through, which means that David Ellison is about to be in control of CBS and Paramount.
And there have been a lot of reports like this about the role of Barry Weiss in all of this.
Here from the status, June 24th, headline, A Word to the Weiss.
David Ellison has quietly courted Barry Weiss for a possible role at CBS News, a move that hints at how he may steer the network if his merger goes through.
Yeah, I think it hints quite a bit at how he might steer the network if the merger goes through.
Late last year, during a trip to New York City, David Ellison quietly made time for a meeting that said as much about his worldview as it did about his interest in media.
According to people familiar with the matter, the Hollywood scion set time aside on his busy calendar to meet with Barry Weiss, the founder of the free press.
Ellison, like a number of corporate suite executive types, has long been an admirer of Barry Weiss's style of journalism, I'm told, viewing her as one of the most compelling voices in the shifting landscape of independent journalism.
I wonder if her steadfast, lifelong, fanatical devotion to the state of Israel, which he shares, is one of the reasons he finds her so compelling.
Do you think that might be the case?
Quote, during the meeting, Ellison, who is set to control CBS News once the Paramount Global Skydance media deal closes, expressed strong interest in recruiting Barry Weiss to work in some capacity with the network, according to people familiar with the matter.
The New York Times reported on July 11th, Skydance is in early talks to buy the free press.
David Ellison, the chief executive of the media company Skydance, has recently held early discussions about acquiring the free press, the online publication co-founded by Barry Weiss.
Ms. Weiss, who started the free press in 2021 with her wife and sister, has positioned the company as a brash alternative to traditional media organizations.
Someone please tell me what the free press publishes that is outside of the mainstream, that offends people in power.
Someone just please give me one example of this brashness.
We just got done hearing that everybody in corporate America loves Berry Weiss, thinks that the free press is fantastic.
How anti-establishment and brash is the free press if America's major power centers are drowning it in money and loving it, and CBS's new owner is ready to elevate it and her to a central position in the editorial direction of the network?
Mr. Ellison is trying to close Skydance's merger with Paramount.
This is before that happened this week.
The two are attending the annual Allen and Company conference in Sun Valley, which has been a hot, historically been a deal making a hotbed.
The free press alongside the venture capitalist Mark Andreessen and David Sachs and the former Starbucks chief executive Howard Schultz that Allen and Company is a shareholder in the free press alongside with those luminaries who have great influence in the White House.
These are anything but anti-establishment voices.
These are the voices of the American establishment propping up and supporting the free press.
So you can love the free press, you can think it's fantastic, but please don't come and tell me that it's heterodox or that it speaks truth to power or prints things that everybody else is afraid to print.
What are those things?
And if that's true, why does every powerful person seemingly in the United States love the free press and are as eager to elevate it to the center of our media life?
There's been reports that they want to pay Barry Weiss $250 million that she might actually become.
Here from the Financial Times, Barry Weiss seeks more than $200 million for a media startup at the free press.
She's met with David Ellison, the incoming owner of CBS News.
There's reports that she might actually be an ombudsman, the ombudsman.
Is Ryan here?
All right, so I just rushed through that because I want to get to Ryan Grimm, who has a new, typically rigorous investigative story that he co-authored with our other friend, Murtaza Hussein, at Dropsite News, the excellent news outlet that they co-founded about the free press and Barry Weiss and some of the crucial players that are sort of hidden and shady and yet driving its content.
I don't think it's particularly surprising, but it's nonetheless extremely worth learning about and knowing, particularly given what appears to be Barry Weiss's likely elevation to playing such a vital role in CBS News alongside her fellow Israel fanatic, David Ellison.
So we're going to get to Ryan just in one second, right after this quick message from our sponsor.
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He is the co-founder of the superb new news site, the drop news site.
I think it's about nine months old or so now.
He is also a co-host of Breaking Point.
He's always everywhere taking care of everything journalistically and in every other way.
He's a real hustler.
He's also a good friend of mine, and I'm delighted to welcome him to the show.
Ryan, it's great to see you.
Good evening.
And nice to see you too, Glenn.
Is this your first time on our show?
This is my main voyage on system update.
We thought so.
We have some champagne and cake in the back to celebrate.
So when you're done, you can partake in that with us virtually.
All right, so I don't know how much of you heard of that, but I wanted to just kind of set up what seemed, we don't know for certain that Barry Weiss is going to integrate into Paramount and CBS News, but it's certainly serious efforts are being made.
There's a lot of reporting.
I've heard a lot of things about this as well.
Everything from CBS buying the free press to making Barry Weiss a 60 minutes correspondent or some sort of ombudsman who makes sure that CBS News is unbiased.
But you have an article about the free press, which is the vehicle that she uses to further her various agendas.
And it's on dropsight.
It's with Maz Hussein.
And the title of it is A Pro-Nonprofit is Funneling News Content Through Barry Weiss's Free Press.
And it's not so much about the funding of the free press.
Instead, it's about where a lot of her content is coming from and the coordination of it with at least the agenda of the Israeli government, if not the Israeli government itself.
And it focuses on this entity, the Center for Peace Communications.
A very nice sounding, very inoffensive name, the Center for Peace Communications.
Who could be against that?
So can you talk about what it is that you found in terms of how these entities function?
Yeah, if you think about Barry's news organization, the Free Press, it's broken into opinion, analysis, like hot takes.
And then occasionally they have some actual report, hard reporting from the Middle East and in particular, sometimes from Gaza and from Israel.
And so we started taking a closer look at the reports that were coming out of there because we didn't think, wait a minute, wait, there are Palestinian journalists who are working for the free press.
This is an interesting development.
Let's take a closer look at this.
But it turned out no, because Western journalists are not allowed into Gaza because they're blocked by Israel.
But there are a ton of journalists who are in Gaza that Western news outlets like Dropsight and others can work directly with.
You just create a relationship with them and you publish their reporting.
That's not exactly what the free press was doing.
Every article where they had hard reporting coming out of the region was partnered with this organization that you just named, the CPC, the Center for Peace Communications.
And you don't have to look much further into it to figure out exactly what's going on with it.
But if you peel back and look who the donors are to CPC and who the board members are and who the kind of leadership is, it very quickly becomes obvious that this is a hardcore kind of pro-Israel organization in Washington.
The most prominent board member at this group is a guy named Dennis Ross, who I'm sure you're very familiar with throughout the years.
He's been since the 1990s, going in and out of different administrations in both parties, and was always known as one of Israel's greatest allies within whatever administration he was in.
So as soon as you see Dennis Ross on there, you're like, okay, we kind of get a clear idea of what's going on.
Some of the donors to this organization are also donors to this organization called FDD, Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
And when they say democracies plural, they mean Israel being the only democracy in the Middle East as it's trademarked, and then the United States being a democracy.
So we're defending the relationship among these democracies.
FDD is this notorious kind of pro-Israel organization in Washington.
By hardcore, warmonger, neocon, like one of the worst, most extreme, going back a couple decades at least.
Right, they have never met the scenario where they didn't want to use American weapons to resolve it.
Or American force on behalf of Israel.
And they were a big pusher of the American involvement in the war with Iran, obviously, just to put it mildly.
So one of the interesting points that your article makes is in examining some of these articles that purport to be hard news, is they're constantly promoting exactly the factions that the Israeli government also wants to promote.
So they'll suddenly get access to anonymous people in Lebanon who claim to have been kidnapped by Hezbollah or her Lebanese saying Hezbollah is ruining our country or their Gazans who speak out anonymously about how much everyone hates Hamas.
And they even, the Israelis, as part of this cynical plan over the last year, to basically fund and create yet another former, I guess you could say, al-Qaeda terrorist group, similar to the ones they formed in Syria, to be the rival group to Hamas and Barry Weiss and her outfit, where they're promoting the head of this group, despite being someone with a clear history of what the United States has regarded as Islamic terrorism.
And it got me thinking, Ryan, and obviously a lot of this is being facilitated by these kind of groups connected to the Israeli government and the Israeli government itself getting Barry Weiss these access to these.
You know, in that now famous interview that Tucker Carlson did with Ted Cruz, there was a part where he was asking about APAC and the role it plays and whether it should register as a foreign agent.
And Tucker was essentially saying, it seems clear they're just an arm of the Israeli government.
And Ted Cruz said, ow, that's not true.
They differ all the time.
And Tucker said, give me one example where they differ.
And Ted Cruz stuttered, because, of course, there never is one.
Is there ever any difference in terms of this quote-unquote hard news reporting between the policy aims of the Israeli government and the free press?
And do you think a similar question is warranted about registering as a foreign agent?
We haven't seen any difference.
The best way to predict what the Center for Peace Communications and Free Press in collaboration are going to report in coming days is what is the kind of Israeli propaganda line.
And so, for instance, this organization was heavy in promoting, like you said, these voices who were critical of Hamas and were out in the streets protesting.
And that's great.
People should protest Hamas if they want to protest Hamas.
It turned out that these were the first Palestinians that the free press had found any sympathetic relationship to since the start of the organization.
And the things that they were saying, and like you said, often anonymously, just perfectly married with what Israelis were saying, Palestinians ought to be saying about Hamas.
And we looked into some of the reporting that they were doing, and it would clash with what had been reported elsewhere.
Like, for instance, there was one case where you don't even need to get into details, but like one person was said to have been beaten.
And they said that he was dropped off, according to the CPC, dropped off in front of his mother's home.
Other reporting elsewhere was that he'd been dropped off at the hospital.
And so you start to think like, well, wait a minute, what's going on here between the reality of what happened and it going through this pro-Israel organization and then to this news organization?
Because that's the thing.
If you want to be a nonprofit that parrots the line of the Israeli government, you should go ahead and do that.
This is a free country.
Go ahead, file your 990s and do that.
To then call it the free press, to call it a news organization, and to say that it's doing heterodox work against the interests of the powerful was the part that kind of was a little bit lacking to us.
But I think, and what Ted Cruz is relying on, and I think what the free press can rely on here too, is that even though they were doing the exact same thing that the Israeli government wants them to do, they're all Americans and they're doing it kind of on their own.
And they're doing it in conjunction with the Israeli government, but they're not being paid directly by the Israeli government to do it.
And so that is how they, I think, you know, thread that needle that they don't need to register.
Right.
Although, you know, obviously indirect payments and then coordination with a foreign agent certainly would give a federal prosecutor very good grounds to argue that you should have any other any other country you'd have your lawyer would be saying go register better be safe and just register yeah um and of course they have by the way a very similar dynamic with iran the people they prop up not just the free press but all israeli supporters the true spokespers people of the iranian government including the the shah's son um you know are always very pro-Israel always
blaming Hamas, perfect spokesman for the Israeli people who just so happen to be the real voices of Iran.
And let me ask you a little bit about this transaction, the proposed transaction that seems to be the one currently on the front burner, which is where they would just hire Barry Weiss, but David Ellison, the son of Larry Ellison, would use the fortune he inherited to buy the free press for something like a reported $250 million.
I remember when Barry Weiss was hired Street Journal by the New York Times, she was hired at exactly the same time as Brett Stevens was.
And I remember a bunch of liberals, most liberals were focused on Brett Stevens.
They were outraged that he was going to the New York Times because he was like anti-climate change and pro-choice or whatever, pro-life or whatever.
And that was when I wrote my first article on Barry Weiss saying she's by far the more consequential hire.
She's very, very shrewd.
She understands the kind of rhythms and dynamics of new media.
And I thought then, and I think now that Barry Weiss is very shrewd, the free press, by all accounts, is a success in terms of the massive amounts of money it's raised, both from very, very rich people who support its pro-Azero agenda, but also they have a lot of subscribers who also like what it does.
At the same time, Ryan, although they make a lot of money, it doesn't really leave a very big imprint in the media culture.
If you look at there, I think we have a couple of clips, a little bit of screenshots from, and this is not cherry-picking, this is just their last couple of, their last like 12 or 14 YouTube videos.
You know, it's hard to see on the screen, but it's something like, you know, they're getting like 5,000, 6, 7,000 views of videos, sometimes 14,000, 20.
Maybe once in a while, like once a month, they'll get like one that's 200.
I mean, this is a very small YouTube channel.
Like I'm not, I mean, that's a great YouTube channel, but it's not a $250 million new media company that anybody would ever remotely consider a kind of money like that.
So you have something in your article about what seems to be the extremely inflated valuation.
What do you mean by that?
And what would be the motive in overpaying?
I mean, billionaires generally don't like to overpay for things unless there's a really good reason.
Yeah, I mean, I think the free press fits this like it just perfectly scratches every itch that these, particularly, I think, scions of wealth have.
Like, if you think about Ellison, you know, he probably, you know, he was born into enormous amounts of money, wants to think of himself as a heterodox thinker, doesn't want to think of himself as somebody who's just kind of inherited a bunch of money and believes everything he's told.
And the free press, when it launched, was cutting against the kind of woke cancel culture grain.
You know, Barry Weiss famously left the New York Times complaining about the, you know, the woke restrictions that she was under there.
And there absolutely was this kind of moral panic, this bubble moment where she was saying things that were kind of cutting against the grain.
She wasn't first.
I mean, the liberal grain.
You know, she was against the excesses of the trans movement or the kind of extreme versions of critical race theory that emerged after George Floyd.
Or like calling couscous cultural appropriation or whatever.
And she would say that she was against that.
And there was a moment in time where saying that in a newsroom like the New York Times actually would get some eyebrows raised at you.
As we know, because we were at the intercept at the time.
We got eyebrows raised at us.
And so I think it's so she landed in a perfect time, but the fact that the world has kind of moved on from that has left them culturally rudderless and has only left them with the other thing that people like Allison really want, which is a media that reifies their belief that Israel needs to be defended at all costs.
And so it sort of has the sunk brand with the super rich that it made them feel good.
Because the super rich did not like the fact that their blue-haired kids were thinking that they were racist or sexist.
So they loved that a young person like Barry was telling them that, actually, you're fine.
You're okay.
It's your kids that are wrong here.
So I think they have some legacy appreciation for that.
And then the steadfast support for Israel makes it like a very comforting, like it's as comforting to power as it could possibly be because it allows them to feel a little bit like.
A little edgy.
A little edgy, little new media.
Yeah.
Right.
Not too much.
And it's interesting.
In the same way that wokeism was never a threat to actual concentrated corporate power, it kind of shows that anti-wokeism is also not a threat to concentrated corporate power.
Like that concentrated wealth loves anybody talking about those cultural issues, no matter what side it's on.
Blue hair, regular hair, no hair.
If you're talking about hair and piercings, that's their preference.
And trans and gender ideology and then not the disbursement of power.
Like a billionaire about to buy CBS News and then using it for his own agenda.
Before I let you go, I want to ask you about the interview you did with Mahmoud Khalil, but I actually have one question that your answer provokes for me that I want to ask you about first.
There was a discussion earlier today, I don't know if you saw it, between Reid Hoffman, who is a Jewish billionaire who was very aligned with the Democratic Party, very anti-Trump, very sort of pro-resistance, funded a lot of those liberal groups, but he's also very pro-Israel.
And he was in conversation with Joe Lansdale, who is another Jewish billionaire, one of the co-founders with Peter Thiel, a palantier, very much on the right, big Trump supporter.
Also, you'll be shocked to learn a big supporter of Israel as well.
And the discussion they were having was about this woke agenda, the excesses of woke ideology, and DEI and the like.
And they were in full agreement.
And they, the way they analyzed this whole issue and the reason they found such convergence was because they were saying the big problem with wokeism is that it creates a framework of oppressor and oppressed and teaches that the oppressor is always wrong and the oppressed is always right, or say the stronger party is always wrong and the weaker party always right.
And that, in their view, is what has led to so much animosity toward Israel, namely that Israel Is no longer willing to be weak.
Jews are successful.
And they both agreed that wokeism has done more than anything to turn Americans against Israel, young Americans.
And I, you know, when I was sort of interested in and commenting on the excesses of wokeism, I did have a lot of people telling me, you know, the reason the very licenses of the world are so interested in what's going on in college campuses under the guise of being concerned about wokeism is what they're really worried about is that college campuses are one of the very few places where true pro-Palestinian anti-Israel activism can actually thrive.
And they're so focused on college campuses, not because they're so suddenly interested in culture war stuff, but because they're specifically interested in finding a way to delegitimize colleges, to attack its ideology, because that's one of the few places where anti-Israel discourse is permitted to thrive.
Do you give credence to that theory looking back?
I do in the sense that I think you can draw not exactly a straight line, but pro-Palestine activism has been a centerpiece of campus life in America for decades at this point, waxing and waning.
And I think the way that students approached that, the analysis they took to it, the way that they understood it in terms of, I think, colonizer is probably better than oppressed and oppressor.
But that same ideology and that same view of the world, I think did grow and it metastasized in various, I think, probably counterproductive ways into, say, 2020.
But I think that that kind of wokeification or whatever they called the Great Awokening, I think there is a link.
think the some of the base of that did come from this you know understanding the world in a way that that saw the palestinians as as and as an occupied people and i think that it's fair to say that barry you know barry weiss when she was in college her her main driving focus was opposition to palestinian professors and to other and you know she was
And yes, as we saw her emerge as this anti-cancel culture kind of warrior, I think we did miss the through line.
Like we saw it as just pure hypocrisy.
But I think you're right that, and they are right, that there actually is a little bit of a through line that she was trying to cancel the same thing the entire time.
And it was this movement that was going to see what was being done to the Palestinian people as wrong, as un-American, as outside of our understanding of what a just world is.
And so first she was canceling the Palestinian professors.
Then she was going after the social movement that was creating the kind of permission structure to start calling out the relationship between the relationship of Israel as a colonizer.
So I think that there's something actually interesting there.
What do you think?
Yeah, no, I mean, actually, having looked back, if you go back way before October 7th with these college protests, there was a lot of pro-Israel money being devoted into college campuses.
And I'll tell you what they were particularly worried about, and it's all part of the same milieu, which before October 7th, for a decade before, their biggest concern by far was the BDS movement, the boycott divestment, and sanctions movement.
Because the BDS movement of the 1980s aimed at the apartheid South African government, the ground zero for that were Western college campuses.
American college campuses were constantly in activism, demanding their schools divest from South Africa, from apartheid South Africa.
And it played a role in bringing down that regime.
And when Israel saw the gravity, the center of gravity of American academic activism and student activism, and even in the West as well, starting to become a replica of that model of BDS but against Israel to end the West Bank occupation and the blockade of Gaza, they became petrified and saw academic institutions as their main threat.
And one of the primary forms of legislation over the past decade before October 7th that Israel started insisting that its loyalists impose in Western countries on behalf of Israel was to criminalize BDS.
In much of Europe, if you advocate a boycott of Israel, it's the crime of anti-Semitism.
You couldn't really do that in the U.S., but that's where you got all those laws in 36 American states.
For those who don't know, in order to get a contract with the state, you have to certify that you don't support a boycott of Israel.
This all grew out of this concern long before October 7th, first among Israel and then the various tentacles in the United States that keep American public opinion supportive, that college activism and college campus was the big threat to Israel.
And from there, you know, sort of wokeism, which does go hand in hand to some extent, you know, part of this left-wing campus ideology on race, on gender, that also manifests into pro-Palestinian activism.
That became the target.
It kind of masqueraded as this anti-woke agenda when the real concern, at least for many of them, was Israel.
Yeah.
And the contradiction that was always embedded in it is now, I think, it's not bringing them down because the establishment is going to throw $200, $250 million.
It'll be a successful piece of the establishment media going forward, but it's bringing it down as a cultural force because the fundamental contradiction was she had to claim to be, quote, for the free press.
Like Ben Shapiro.
Like Ben Shapiro.
No, everything's debated.
And everybody sees the fraud of that.
Everyone sees the fraud of that, as there's been this massive crackdown on speech come to Israel in so many ways.
All right, let me ask you before I let you go about Mahmoud Khalil, because as people may recall, he was the very, very first foreign student in the United States who ended up getting detained by ICE and put into a detention facility with deportations proceeding because of his activism as part of the protest against the Israeli destruction of Gaza.
And then it kind of, you know, from there broadened out to people who just wrote op-eds against Israel and a full-scale crackdown on free speech.
But he was the first tusk case.
And what made it always so interesting was that you listen to the people at Columbia talk about him, Jewish students particularly, and they will say like he's the least inflammatory person.
The role he played was mediator because of how respectful he was to all sides.
And he was put into a serious and quite unpleasant detention facility in Louisiana, I think for what, two or three months.
His first child was born when he was in there and he finally got let out, but his deportation proceeding is still ongoing, but he's out on bail, basically.
And the judge said he's not a threat and can be out while this deportation proceeding is ongoing.
What did you, so people can watch your interview with him on Breaking Points.
What did you get out of that?
And where are we with this case that we should know about?
The immediate thing that I thought was interesting, he did confirm that DHS thought he was there on a student visa.
They told him, hey, we're arresting you because your student visa has been revoked.
And he told him, guys, I'm a permanent resident.
I'm not here on a student visa.
Clearly, they had been told he was there on a student visa.
He said they took a picture of his green card and sent a picture of it to their bosses.
I'm like, hey, boss, this guy's a permanent resident.
Like, you screwed up.
Like, this is not the guy to pick up.
And the message came back, you know, pick him up anyway.
Take him in anyway.
And we'll figure it out once he gets in.
I also asked him about how he got into this role as mediator.
And I thought it was quite interesting.
He had spent like 10 years working in between undergrad and grad school.
So he's not that a 22-year-old is not a serious person, but he's in his 30s at this point.
So a lot of people in the encampment kind of looked up to him because of his life experience.
And previous to the encampment, he had had interactions with the university, which they thought might be useful.
He said that in April of 2023, he tried to invite Human Rights Watch to Columbia to give a presentation on a report that they had recently put out.
It might have been the report where they, for the first time, called what Israel was doing apartheid.
I don't remember.
You could look at whatever in the spring of 2023, Human Rights Watch was putting out.
But he, like, this is what college students do.
Like, there's something interesting happening in the field that they're following.
You invite a speaker there, and then you invite students, and they listen to that, and they got enormous amounts of pushback.
So this is pre-October 7th, 2023, with pro-Israel student groups trying to make it impossible for Human Rights Watch to come onto campus.
And as a result of that, and through that process, he negotiated with the university, and it had some success kind of talking some sense into them.
And so the students thought, you know, not only is this guy somebody that everybody respects, both the people who are the most militant in the street to the ones who are still hoping to support Kamala Harris in November, they all respected him for his kind of principled commitment to his people and for his ability to speak in a way that was disarming to people and heard people,
listen to people, he would then bring the concerns, and he would bring the concessions from the university back to the students.
It wasn't as if he was a leader, he was organizing anything.
He was just kind of the guy whose job it was to kind of bridge the divide between the university and the encampment.
Because of that, he did some interviews and he got on the radar of Canary Mission and Beitar, these pro-Israel groups, who basically put together these lists of people that they wanted deported.
And clearly, that's how they made the fundamental mistake that they, because DHS knows who's on a student visa and who's on, who's a permanent resident.
They have access to the database.
They just type the name in and it spits it right out.
What it shows is that DHS was just taking lists directly from these groups, not even fact-checking them, and just sending goons out to put them behind bars.
But it is worth just underscoring how amazing it is that you have these groups, the Canary Group, which has basically kept blacklists of people on their website.
They pay these computer programmers to make sure the name comes up.
So if an employer goes to search a person's name who's applying and you've been called an anti-Semite on the Canary Mission site, your name is going to come right up as an anti-Semite, even if you've done nothing other than just criticize Israel in a class.
It's like this McCarthyite blacklist compiled by this group that refuses to identify itself, though its founders are now known, even though they were outing and doxing people.
And it's unbelievable that these two groups that clearly are working in coordination with the Israeli government, funding from Israel and from the Israeli government, are giving orders to the American government about who can and cannot stay on American soil at American universities based on their views about Israel.
And the government, which we pay $80 billion a year to for an intelligence apparatus, is blindly accepting these lists from these groups that are run by the Israeli government and deporting people from our country, from our universities, based on which people those groups decide shouldn't be here because of their views of a foreign country.
When you describe it that way and when you understand it that way, it's shocking that it's actually allowed to happen.
And it might cost us even more money because he has a big legal team, pro bono legal team, and he's now suing over his illegal detention.
And we'll see which way the political wins blow, but he may win.
I mean, certainly he deserves it.
Like, he did nothing remotely wrong.
They were mistaken in who they thought they were going after.
Even if he was on a student visa, that doesn't give them right to put him behind bars for months just for serving as a mediator in these negotiations.
These are all People who are like models of their academic community are like advanced graduate students doing excellent work, who are beloved by their community and their professors.
No criminal arrest record, never arrested as part of whatever he's done.
And these are the people after promising to go and take out the worst and the worst, the government gets into power after Trump wins, and they decide to target legal immigrants behaving in accordance with our laws because of their views about Israel.
It's really amazing.
Well, definitely, you know, there's been a lot said about Mahmoud Khalil.
It's your chance to go and listen to Mahmoud himself about everything that's happened because of Ryan's great interview with him.
Ryan, it's always great to see you.
It's shocking that it's the first time you're here.
We're going to wait a couple of years and have you back for sure.
All right.
I really appreciate it.
Good to see you.
All right.
All right.
So that concludes our show for this evening.
We did have a second segment that we wanted to cover, or a third segment rather, that we, due to time constraints, will instead cover tomorrow, which is about the EU's capitulation in various ways to the United States and to the Trump administration.
Definitely redounding to the benefit of the United States, but still worth examining why Europe is in such a capitulating posture, just continuously becoming less and less relevant, more and more captive.
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