Trump and Putin Reach Partial Cease-Fire for Ukraine; Israel Unravels Trump's Cease-Fire with Mass Bombings of Gaza; Plus: Ian Carroll on Turmoil at The Daily Wire
The Trump administration continues to push for a ceasefire in Ukraine, but warmongers in the US and the EU are desperate to sabotage any deal with Russia. Then: Israel continues its horrific bombing of Gaza, breaking Trump's ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. Plus: The Daily Wire's CEO steps down. Ian Carroll breaks down The Daily Wire's major shakeup and what it means for independent media.
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Tonight, one of Donald Trump's central promises during the 2024 campaign was he would end the war in Ukraine and thus relieve the U.S. of the responsibility to continue to finance that war and in doing so also eliminate the dangers that such a proxy war between nuclear powers engender.
That is one promise Trump has been attempting to make good on.
And earlier today, after a scheduled call between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, it was announced by the White House that the two sides, the two countries, had agreed to a partial ceasefire, with the Ukrainians now sending positive signals about their willingness to sign on.
We'll tell you all the details and the implications.
Prior to his inauguration, Trump boasted of the ceasefire that he was able to facilitate between Israel and Gaza.
And by all accounts, it was Trump that got that done.
That was a ceasefire, which, as was true of an end to the war in Ukraine, his Democratic predecessors never really attempted and never even got close to.
Since then, Israel has repeatedly violated the central terms of that ceasefire that Trump boasted about, including by refusing to withdraw from key areas of Gaza, blockading the entrance of food, electricity, and other humanitarian aid into the Strip,
and repeatedly bombing Gaza at will.
Yesterday, the Israelis completely unraveled any pretense of a ceasefire as they returned to mass bombing Gaza.
In just 24 hours, they killed more than 300 people, including, as usual, large numbers of women and children.
And Prime Minister Netanyahu vowed to continue the bombing campaign for as long as it takes, whatever it is.
The headline of the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz tells much of the story, quote, Netanyahu wants endless war in Gaza, but most Israelis don't want to fight anymore.
Obviously, all of this was done with the green light from Donald Trump.
There was reporting confirming that.
In fact, he personally threatened Hamas that he would rain down hell on them if they didn't release all hostages immediately, rather than in accordance with the staged release as called for by the ceasefire agreement.
And thus, there is, on top of the new U.S. bombing campaign in Yemen that started on Sunday, another media swore that the U.S. and Israel are jointly fighting.
Finally, for many years, The Daily Wire was a juggernaut of success, really the model of how successful an independent media outlet could be.
Seemingly, everything they touched turned to gold.
But all that began disintegrating when they forced out Candace Owens over their dislike of her views on Israel.
And then, as we reported at the time, sued her after she called for a bait with Ben Shapiro, getting a gag order against her.
And then more recently, one of their most profitable and popular voices, Brett Cooper, left under similar terms as Owens.
Meanwhile, their audience size has plummeted, while Candace Owens' audience is larger than ever, far larger than anyone who now remains at The Daily Wire.
Earlier today...
Axios reported that one of the two public faces of The Daily Wire, its CEO Jeremy Boring, is stepping down as co-CEO of the company.
There's a lot of talk from people long associated with the company, either in the past or currently, about exactly why Boring is out and the chaos surrounding him at The Daily Wire.
And one of the people who most closely follows and reports on The Daily Wire...
Ian Carroll, fresh off his appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast two weeks ago, will be with us to help sort through it all and understand the implications.
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There has been a war.
That has been waging now into its fourth full year that has been unbelievably deadly and costly.
And that, of course, is the war between Ukraine and Russia, which the United States and its NATO allies have largely been funding and financing, funding the Ukrainian side.
Hundreds of billions of dollars have gone to Kiev.
Very little accounting for where it's actually going.
Tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of young.
Men and increasingly older men who are being recruited on each side are dead.
And there's been no success from Ukraine in a long time.
The front line moves very slowly, but it moves westward so that the Russian buffer is increasing and the part of the country that Ukraine or that Kiev controls is decreasing.
Russia now occupies roughly 23% of Ukrainian soil, if you count Crimea as well.
It's turning into a rump state, as a lot of people predicted.
It's an absolutely bloody, senseless war that could have and should have been diplomatically resolved near the beginning.
But British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Ukraine fanatic Victoria Nuland, who was working in the Biden State Department running Ukraine, intervened in prevented any diplomatic solution because they wanted this war to continue, thinking they were being very clever and would weaken Russia by doing so.
They didn't care about how many Ukrainians they killed or how much destruction they wrought in Ukraine and how it has been very significant.
From almost the first moment that he was inaugurated, Trump began devoting obviously concerted efforts.
To fulfilling his campaign pledge to bring an end to the war in Ukraine using diplomacy, something that Joe Biden refused to do, something that Kamala Harris essentially vowed she would never do.
Their platform was, we're going to fund this war until the end, when Ukraine wins.
And one of the things that happened after that very melodramatic clash between President Zelensky of Ukraine on the one hand and Trump and his vice president, J.D. Vance, on the other, and the Oval Office was that Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire,
and essentially this was a tactic to try and force Russia to agree to a ceasefire with none of the conditions that Russia really wanted.
And at the time, as we showed you, there was a cliche that EU and NATO and even pro-Ukraine officials in the United States were using to try and put pressure on Russia.
Here from Kaja Kalas, the former prime minister of Estonia, she's now the unelected Foreign Affairs Minister of the EU.
And this is what she said on March 11, 2025.
I welcome the U.S.-Ukraine talks in Jeddah, notably regarding a ceasefire and resumption of U.S. intelligence and security assistance to Ukraine, but also in the humanitarian field.
The ball, as always, is in Russia's court.
Marco Rubio said the same thing.
Today was a good day for peace, thanks to POTUS's leadership.
And under the gracious hospitality of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, We are one step closer to restoring durable peace for Ukraine.
The ball is now in Russia's court.
And we showed you how that was essentially the script that everybody was using.
Oh, look, Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire.
Now it's up to Russia.
Russia was never going to accept a ceasefire without the preconditions and the security guarantees they need and want, especially because they're winning the war.
Trump clearly knew that.
They scheduled a call.
President Trump and President Putin did for today.
And afterwards, Donald Trump went to True Social to announce this about the call.
"My conversation today with President Putin of Russia was a very good and productive one.
We agreed to an immediate ceasefire on all energy and infrastructure with an understanding that we will be working quickly to have a complete ceasefire and ultimately an end to this very horrible war between Russia and Ukraine."
This war would never have started if I were president.
Many elements of a contract for peace were discussed, including the fact that thousands of soldiers are being killed, and both President Putin and President Zelensky would like to see an end.
That process is now in full force and effect, and we will hopefully, for the sake of humanity, get the job done.
One of the things that has happened over the last week on the battlefield, which of course is unfavorable to Ukraine, as most events on the battlefield are, Is that that portion of Russia that the Ukrainians decided to occupy diverting soldiers that were desperately needed on their own front line in the Kursk region has basically shrink to nothing.
The Russians have essentially driven them out of that area that they had been occupying in a small area of Russia that Zelenskyy was hoping to use.
In order to negotiate, we'll give you back this land, and then you have to give us back that.
But there is no more land, basically, that Ukraine is occupying.
Trump himself said last week that when he talked to the Russians, he wants to convince them, essentially allow the Ukrainians to surrender.
He said they are surrounded by Russian troops, and they're all going to get slaughtered.
As it turns out, there were Western intelligence agents, unsurprisingly, among them.
And so this war is just going very terribly for Ukraine and has been for quite some time.
Caroline Levitt, the White Owls press secretary, posted this.
Read out of President Donald J. Trump's call with President Vladimir Putin.
Quote, today, President Trump and President Putin spoke about the need for peace and a ceasefire in the Ukraine war.
Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a lasting peace.
They also stressed the need for improved bilateral relations between the United States and Russia.
The blood and treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in this war would be better spent on the needs of their people.
This conflict should never have started and should have ended long ago with sincere and good faith peace efforts.
The leaders agreed that the movement to peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire.
As well as technical negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea, full ceasefire, and permanent peace.
These negotiations will begin immediately in the Middle East.
The leaders spoke broadly about the Middle East as a region of potential cooperation to prevent future conflicts.
They further discussed the need to stop proliferation of strategic weapons and will engage with others to ensure the broadest application possible.
The two leaders shared the view that Iran should never be in a position to destroy Israel.
Oh, thank God that Trump brought up Israel in his conversation with President Putin.
I wouldn't want that ever to be omitted.
The most important priority there is.
It went on, quote, the two leaders agree that a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside.
This includes enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved.
So, there's a lot of components to this.
First of all, a...
Temporary ceasefire, partial ceasefire, where each side agrees to stop bombing each other's energy infrastructure would already go a long way to eliminating some of the worst parts of this war.
The Russians have often wiped out major parts of the Ukrainian energy sector, including the parts that allow them to provide heat to their citizens in what is a very cold winter, and they've had to go without heat for a long time.
But the Ukrainians have also done damage to Russian oil infrastructure.
Once Biden allowed long-range missiles to be used to strike inside Russia, they've typically used that to strike oil infrastructure and other energy assets of the Russians that have caused damage to an economy that is somewhat strained as a result of this war.
So each side would have great value in that.
But I think the much more important component is that once An agreement to end this war is facilitated.
Trump wants, and has long wanted, better relations with Moscow.
An end to this insane animosity and antagonism that has been imposed at least as early as 2016 as a result of Russiagate, when this climate was created that U.S. officials couldn't even talk to Russian officials without being suspected of disloyalty and even treason.
An incredibly dangerous climate to impose.
Between the two largest nuclear powers on the planet.
And it's not just that you then lower the tension and begin speaking, but the U.S. and Russia have long had common interests that they can work on together.
That's something that President Obama often stressed.
In fact, he partnered with the Russians in getting the Iran deal done, because Russia is far more trusted by Iran than anyone in the West.
And President Trump actually proposed a partnership with the Russians to select terrorism targets in Syria.
Obama did the same because the Russians have the same sort of animosity toward Islamic radicals who use terrorism and other types of violence because they've been attacked by that many times as well.
That's something they've always had in common, the two sides.
So an improved set of relations between Russia and the United States is always in the interest of the world.
And if Trump manages to do that, not just to end the war, but to do that, and even if he just manages to end the war, he will deserve massive credit because this war has been repulsive in the way that wars typically are.
The U.S. State Department issued its own release joint statement on the United States-Ukraine meeting in Jeddah.
Actually, this was from last week when...
The United States met with Zelensky, met with Ukrainians in Saudi Arabia.
Now, the Russians did not agree to that deal because they obviously want Conditions that are necessary in their view to preserve their security.
That Ukraine will never be part of NATO.
That Ukraine will be a neutral buffer zone.
Aspects relating to the placement of weapons, Ukrainian weapons or Western weapons, inside Ukraine, not near the Russian border.
That is something going to be that Russia is going to negotiate and demand because they've spent a huge amount of resources on this war.
They've lost a lot of their citizens' lives.
They spent a massive amount of money remilitarizing and getting on war footing.
And as we discussed when I interviewed Professor Dugin in Moscow and interviewed other people in Moscow as well, there are a lot of factions inside Moscow, power centers inside Russia.
That won't accept any old peace deal that just ends the war.
They're going to want benefits to Russia for having won the war, for having sacrificed so many of their people, and the families of those people and Russians in general are going to expect that as well.
So it won't be easy to facilitate a peace deal, but the fact that Trump is already getting the Russians to agree to a temporary partial ceasefire, one that the Ukrainians are saying that they're likely to accept is something that This is very valuable.
Here is Putin, and this was two days after the Americans met with the Ukrainians and created this 30-day ceasefire and said the ball was in Russia's court.
Here he was speaking on RT about his view of the ceasefire.
We agree with the propositions to stop hostilities, but we proceed from the fact that such ceasefire should be such that would lead to permanent peace and remove the initial,
original causes of the crisis.
So that was him saying, yeah, we want an end to the war too, but we're not going to just accept a deal to end the war that doesn't satisfy the reasons we started it.
Here from Newsweek on a very important point, which is that one of the roadblocks that Trump faces to try and usher an end to this war is that the EU is filled with warmongers.
The new elected chancellor of Germany.
Gave a speech today in which he basically said Germany is at war with Russia.
Things generally don't work out well for the world when Germany starts announcing that it's at war with Russia.
In fact, nothing has been more destructive to humanity or the planet than that.
And the Germans are filled with war fever.
The French are.
The British are.
A lot of these small Eastern European states as well.
And they don't want an end to the war in Ukraine.
They want that war to continue.
And they're talking about sending tens of thousands of French and British soldiers as quote-unquote peacekeepers to Ukraine.
Something Russians have made very clear they will never accept.
THE HEADLINE OF THAT NEWSWEEK ARTICLE, RUSSIA RESPONDS TO PLAN FOR PEACE KEEPERS IN UKRAINE.
RUSSIAN DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER ALEKSANDR GRUSHKO SPOKE WITH THE NEWSPAPER ISVETSIA.
As NATO allies consider sending troops to Ukraine as part of a ceasefire deal negotiated between Washington and Moscow.
Quote, It is absolute madness.
The way the British and the French, in particular, are talking about sending service members, soldiers, in their military into Ukraine, right on the other side of the Russian border.
And I think that's the biggest roadblock, is that the Europeans are going to absolutely try and sabotage any deal because they are drowning in war fever, as Europeans often are.
Here from the BBC...
This was March 15th.
Peace deal must borrow Ukraine from NATO, Russian officials said.
"We will demand that ironclad security guarantees become part of the agreement," Grishko told the Russian media outlet Izvestia.
"Part of these guarantees should be the neutral status of Ukraine, the refusal of NATO countries to accept it into the alliance," he said.
I believe that had NATO simply agreed to that at the beginning, that this war would have been averted.
And American officials knew that Ukraine wasn't going into NATO, but on principle, they refused to what they called "close the door."
They have an open-door principle, said Tony Blinken and Kamala Harris when it came to NATO.
"We don't close the door on anybody.
We keep it open."
And much of Ukraine was destroyed.
Hundreds of thousands of people were killed.
Hundreds of billions of dollars burned to the ground.
Disappeared in Kiev, all for this principle that even countries bordering Russia are free to join the NATO alliance, as if the U.S. would allow Mexico to do that, or any of its neighbors to join a hostile military alliance.
Unsurprisingly, there are already the voices in Washington that also want permanent war with Russia.
Here is Alexander Vindman, who became a liberal hero when he...
Denounced a Trump phone call with Ukraine that led to Trump's first impeachment.
He was born in Ukraine.
He is Ukrainian.
Obviously has a lot of loyalty there, and it was long wanted, even before Trump, before the war in Ukraine, wanted the United States to fight Russia for the country of his origin.
And he says, quote, terrible deal about the deal that Russia and the United States reached today.
I don't understand how Trump...
Who has four years under his belt with Putin constantly gets played.
Trump moves to normalize relations with Russia for trinkets.
This ceasefire, if it starts and Russia doesn't violate it, disproportionately helps Russia, whose energy infrastructure is getting pounded by Ukraine.
For 35 years, six Republican and Democratic administrations...
Have succumbed to manipulation.
Russia has been extremely successful, dangling small wins and threatening terrible consequences to get the US to compromise and capitulate.
But no one has been played as hard as Trump.
He constantly claims grand successes for, at best, token achievements.
A phone call isn't an achievement.
A watered-down ceasefire in exchange for dividing our alliance is a significant cost.
Imagine that kind of persecution complex.
How many people have this?
Oh, for 35 years, Putin has been laughing at us.
He's been exploiting us.
He's kicked around six different administrations of both political parties as if Russia is the party that has been getting its way with everything and the United States has just been giving it to them.
As opposed to expanding a Western military alliance right up to the border of Russia, even knowing that that would provoke Russia if we did that.
But this is always how people who want war think.
They always think, oh, the other side is laughing at us.
They're manipulating us.
They get everything they want.
We get nothing.
He's enraged at the idea of any sort of ceasefire, even though the Ukrainians have already...
Signify that they look positively upon this deal.
They haven't accepted it yet, but they've sent positive signals.
Here is another fanatical warmonger with Russia, former ambassador to Russia under Obama, Michael McFaul, who said this, Putin told Trump that he needed the U.S. to stop providing weapons and intel and for the Ukrainian government to stop mobilizing soldiers.
Wow.
The good news is that Trump apparently didn't agree to these crazy conditions.
I haven't seen confirmation of that, but let's assume that's true.
Yeah, that's what happens in negotiations.
A country says, you're arming the people we're fighting.
You're providing them intelligence about where they should bomb.
If you want us to agree to a deal, we need you to stop doing that.
But again, there's a lot of people in the U.S. and a lot of people in the U.S. who are going to be looking to sabotage any deal.
And I've said from the very beginning, even before Trump was inaugurated, these are the people who lost the war.
They defined victory in a way that could never have been achieved, namely the expulsion of every Russian troop from every inch of Ukrainian soil.
And instead of admitting their defeat and the massive humiliation they suffered by vowing that that would happen, It was always likely that if Trump won and ended the war in Ukraine, they would say, essentially, we were on the way to victory, but Trump surrendered because he's an asset of Putin or a Kremlin agent or whatever.
So, I don't think Ukraine or Russia...
Are the roadblocks.
I think it's the EU and the warmongers and both parties in the United States who never want this war to end in part because they just hate Russia and they think that they're harming Russia even at the expense of Ukraine and Ukrainians.
But also just because the real clientele, the real donors and people whose interests these politicians serve.
They're the ones who benefit at the expense of everybody else from endless war, and that's why Washington is always on a footing of endless war under both political parties.
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Donald Trump for essentially 10 years now has been denouncing and criticizing the endless wars, unnecessary wars that the United States fights in general.
We showed you the video last night where he was running and said he intends to be the peacemaker.
He was very proud of the fact that he didn't involve the U.S. in any new wars in his first term, which is true.
I've noted that many times.
And in particular, the Middle East.
His view is that we have fought constant wars unnecessarily in Iraq, in Syria, in Libya.
And these are the kinds of wars that Trump and his supporters vowed that they didn't want any more of.
And yet, as we reported last night at length, Trump took Biden's bombing campaign in Yemen and restarted it and massively escalated it, even though Trump criticized Biden for bombing Yemen at a time when Yemen and the Houthis were actually attacking American ships.
At least Biden had that pretext.
The Houthis' position now is they stopped attacking ships once there was a ceasefire in Gaza, and they only restarted once the Israelis violated that ceasefire by refusing to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and said we're intent to attack only Israel-flagged ships,
not even American ships.
And yet, Trump is doing exactly what he criticized Biden for doing, without even the pretext of protecting American ships, because the only ships that the Houthis are attacking, and that they intend to attack, according to them, are Israeli ships.
So you have that outbreak of war in the Middle East, and now you have a ceasefire that Donald Trump, by all accounts, was instrumental in fostering, to his credit.
One that took place right before he was inaugurated.
He sent his very aggressive Middle East envoy, Steve Whitcoff, who pushed around the Israelis in a way that no American has done in quite some time to get this deal done.
And the deal was in stages.
A first stage of the ceasefire that involved the exchange of hundreds of Palestinians kept in dungeons with no trial inside Israel that get released.
And then Hamas releases what are called hostages, even though a lot of those people were in active military duty or typically called prisoners of war, because it's Israel and Hamas, we call them hostages.
They have civilians as well.
And then they would move to a second stage, and in this first stage, the Israelis would withdraw from all of Gaza.
They would allow humanitarian aid to enter, and they would negotiate for that second ceasefire almost immediately.
Israel began violating this deal.
They withdrew from much of Gaza, but not all of it.
They started occasionally bombing and then frequently bombing Gaza, which obviously is not consistent with the ceasefire.
And they also, basically Netanyahu came out when that deal was signed and there were a lot of people to his right, the right-wing parties in his government, who were vehemently opposed to the deal and he essentially Told them and said in public, don't worry.
This is not a permanent ceasefire.
Trump has told us we are free to start bombing them again, and that's exactly what we intend to do once we get our hostages back.
And now that is exactly what is happening.
The Israelis yesterday unleashed a massive bombing campaign on Gaza, unlike anything that has been seen since before the ceasefire ended.
At least 300 people.
As usual, families wiped out.
Many women and children killed.
There's barely anything left in Gaza.
92% of Gaza has been destroyed.
And yet, the Israelis are still finding things to bomb and people to kill, even though there was supposedly a ceasefire agreement in place.
Here from NBC News, the headline is Israel Breaks Ceasefire Deal with New Deadly Strikes.
Video captured by NBC News'crew on the ground shows frantic scenes at Khan Yunus'Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza with children among the killed.
Same thing we saw for 15
"The health ministry in Hamas ruled Gaza, whose figures the World Health Organization has previously said it considers to be reliable
Said hospitals across the enclave have received the bodies of at least 404 people killed with more than 560 injured.
That's almost 1,000 people killed or injured in one day.
It added that people were still buried under rubble with recovery efforts underway.
Dr. Munir Al-Boresh, the ministry's director general, said, quote, most of the victims were women and children as he called on Gaza's residents to donate blood.
Here is the office of Prime Minister Netanyahu posting an announcement yesterday, quote, The IDF is, at this time, attacking targets of the Hamas terrorist organization throughout the Gaza Strip in order to achieve the objectives of the war as they have been determined by the political echelon,
including the release of all of our hostages, the living and the deceased.
That wasn't the ceasefire deal.
The ceasefire deal was they would release hostages in stages while the Israelis released the detainees, Palestinian detainees, inside Israeli detention camps, which are among the most brutal places in the world.
That's where video showed that IDF soldiers were raping IDF soldiers.
There was a protest, including by people in the Knesset, in defense of those soldiers, saying under Jewish law.
Under our national interest, we have the right to rape Palestinians.
They actually have protests along those lines, arguments on their shows that rape is a legitimate weapon of war.
And these are Palestinians who were detained some prior to October 7th, but virtually none of them with any due process at all.
So the idea was they would be released in conjunction with hostages being released from Gaza in accordance with a schedule.
And all of a sudden the Israelis said, and Trump said, either you release all of those hostages immediately or we're going to rain down hell on you.
Here is Abu Bakr Abed, the journalist in Gaza whom we interviewed, who posted online video of some of the bombs going off in Gaza.
*BOOM*
That was not a very impressive video.
I'm sure there are better videos because there was bombs all over.
You could sort of hear the bombs in the background is what the point was, that you could hear things blowing up in the background.
I don't know if you were able to hear that.
But in any event, there's no question that Israel engaged in mass destruction.
There's tons of videos online of families wiped out, of buildings destroyed, whatever remaining buildings were left.
Here from the Wall Street Journal.
CONFIRMING THAT TRUMP GAVE THE GREEN LIGHT TO ALL OF THIS.
AN ISRAELI OFFICIAL SAID THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP GAVE ISRAEL THE GREEN LIGHT TO RESTART ATTACKS ON HAMAS AFTER THE U.S. DESIGNATED TERRORIST GROUP FAILED TO GIVE UP HOSTAGES.
ISRAEL THEN GAVE THE U.S. A HEADS UP BEFORE STARTING THE OPERATION, THE OFFICIAL SAID.
WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY CAROLINE LEVITT CONFIRMED ON FOX NEWS THAT ISRAEL HAD GIVEN ADVANCED NOTICE OF THE ATTACKS.
SHE WARNED HAMAS AND OTHER REGIONAL ENEMIES OF ISRAEL.
And the U.S. will, quote, see a price to pay.
Quote, all hell will break loose, she said, repeating a threat often made by Trump.
For those keeping a score at home, a combination of Israel and the United States, remember the United States is providing the arms for these Israel bombing campaigns, is paying for it as they did under Biden, as they're doing under Trump.
So the combination of Israel and the U.S. right now in the Middle East are bombing Yemen, Gaza, The West Bank, Lebanon, and Syria, while they explicitly threaten Iran with massive bombing campaigns as well.
That's six different countries in the Middle East.
That the United States and the Israelis are now jointly and actively bombing.
From a president who vowed that he would be the peacemaker, that we had to stop the posture of endless war.
Here was Trump on Air Force One in February, essentially describing what he told Netanyahu.
I told Bibi, you do whatever you want, because, you know, my statement was they've got to come back.
Now, the reason I made that statement, because they said they weren't going to deliver, they were not going to deliver the people that they said they were going to deliver, that they agreed to deliver.
And they did agree to do that, but they broke that agreement.
When I made the statement, they delivered everybody plus an American.
Now, the good news is they look like they're in pretty good shape because the people from the week before didn't look like they were in good shape.
They look like Holocaust survivors, frankly.
Horrible. Whatever happened to them was horrible.
But that'll be up to Israel what the next step is.
In consultation with...
Now, if you compare, supposedly Trump was Affected by the condition of some of the hostages that were released.
They were gaunt and thin.
I don't know why that's surprising.
The Israelis announced at the start of the war that they would prevent all food from getting into Gaza.
They have made good on that in many ways.
Blocked humanitarian trucks the entire time.
But the vast majority of the hostages who were released from Gaza and returned to Israel looked quite healthy, looked infinitely better, in fact.
Than the way the Palestinians who are released from these Israeli dungeons look.
They look completely broken physically and mentally.
And many of the hostages who came back gave interviews in Israel saying, we were treated well.
When our captors ate, we also ate.
We shared food.
Sometimes there were food shortages.
But you can just compare how they look.
The Palestinians who are released to how the Israelis are released.
They were looking for a pretext from the beginning.
In order to restart the war, here's Netanyahu himself on January 18th, so basically the day that the ceasefire was signed, and you see what Netanyahu is saying about it and what Trump,
according to him, told him as well.
Since he was elected, Trump was completely committed to the release of the hostages.
We spoke on Wednesday.
He congratulated me on the agreement, and he emphasized, and rightly so, that the first stage is a temporary ceasefire.
This is what he said, a temporary ceasefire.
Towards the next stages of the agreement, we...
We are holding on to some significant assets so that we can bring back all of the hostages and in order to accomplish all the goals of the war.
Both President Trump and President Biden have provided full backing to Israel's right to resume fighting, to resume combat if Israel reaches the conclusion that the negotiations over the second stage are pointless.
I truly appreciate that.
I also appreciate the decision of President Trump to Now,
before this war, it's worth remembering, there was extreme civil strife in Israel.
There were huge battles.
In particular, over the question of the independence of the judiciary.
The judiciary has always had the right of judicial review over the Knesset laws that they passed.
They were trying to eliminate that.
People were out in the streets every day saying our democracy is being destroyed.
On top of that, Netanyahu had all kinds of legal and criminal charges, including for corruption and bribery.
And it was only October 7th, and there's still the question of how could October 7th possibly have happened?
Given Israel's supreme status as the surveillance capital and the fact that they have Gaza completely under surveillance and an attack of that magnitude happened, but it was only once October 7th happened, did the country unite behind Netanyahu?
Did all those problems go away?
And now that the ceasefire was in place, these scandals started to return.
Netanyahu was forced to go to criminal court and testify.
Others were as well.
He just fired the director of the Shinbat, the Israeli Intelligence Service, because he was threatening Netanyahu that he would make public lots of wrongdoing that Netanyahu was engaged in.
Netanyahu is basically using this war to ward off the end of his stay in power and potentially the end of his freedom.
And that's what makes what they're doing in Gaza particularly repulsive, particularly inhumane, particularly criminal.
That they have destroyed essentially all of Gaza, left basically the whole population of 2 million people, however many people are left, without homes, without any civil society.
They block food and electricity, meaning they have no food or water getting into the Gaza Strip.
The war itself, the conduct in which it was carried out, was found to be war crimes by the International Criminal Court in the United States, out of loyalty to Israel, immediately sanctioned the ICC, punished them, threatened them.
But that was the finding.
And the fact that Netanyahu himself, and this is what many, many Israelis believe and Israeli newspapers say all the time, is motivated by lots of things.
One of the primary motives that he has...
Is protecting himself and shielding himself from accountability for a lot of the corruption and criminal cases that he faces.
And here we have Trump brought into end wars, who now has the United States involved in five or six different bombing campaigns in the Middle East alone.
And we'll see whether or not his most loyal followers, who say that they're tired of endless war, that they want an end to interventions.
We'll twist themselves into pretzels, as some of them have been doing in censorship cases and in these cases, to justify this, or if they will start to say, wait a minute, this is the opposite of what we were told we would get if we voted for you.
Ian Carroll is an independent researcher, entrepreneur, and host of The Ian Carroll Show on YouTube.
He recently made waves for his appearance just a couple weeks ago on The Joe Rogan Experience, and he is a frequent commentator on developments in right-wing media and politics in the United States.
He joins us now to discuss arguably a very explosive event in the conservative media space, namely the departure, you could say the ouster.
Of the co-CEO and one of the two primary public faces of the Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, which is announced today.
And Daily Wire has been one of the most successful and influential media outlets in the country.
So figuring out what is going on there and what the implications are is something that is of, I think, significance.
And Ian is here to help us sort through that.
Ian, good evening.
It's great to see you.
Thanks for taking the time to join us.
Absolutely, Glenn.
Great to talk to you.
I want to begin by asking, before we get into the specifics, I try when I can to go into the chat of my show before the show begins and whenever I have a few minutes beforehand.
And there was several people asking, why should we care about what's happening at The Daily Wire?
It seems like it's just sort of media gossip.
Like, why is it of significance?
As I just said, I think it is.
Why is it to you significant to know what's going on there?
I completely agree and it's a great place to start because the difference between gossip and important news that shapes our information space...
Is a fine line, often.
And the way it's reported on, the way the details get spread and elaborated on can really flip the script from important news that affects how we're all receiving our information about the world versus just people bickering and fighting about personal differences.
And the Brett Cooper ouster and the way that got covered was a great example of one event that, you know, though it had significant effect on the media landscape, especially for Gen Z that look up to her, a lot of people started reporting on it in ways that were just about salacious.
You know, ideas and getting views and clicks.
But the Daily Wire, in general, is one of the most prominent, independent, right-wing news organizations at this point.
And as media transitions from the mainstream model of the past to this more decentralized, independent model of the future, I think it's really important that we carefully examine how the biggest fish in the pond are being built, how they're being run, and how that's affecting our news today.
Yeah, I also think it has a lot to say about some of the divisions on the American right with regard to a lot of the issues and ideologies for which The Daily Wire has long stood.
But before we get into that, I do think it's always interesting, this idea of independent media.
Usually independent media means someone just sort of starts a show with no backing, no help, and they find an audience and their platform grows.
In the case of The Daily Wire, they did start with something like Close to $5 million in seed funds and investment from extremely wealthy people.
So they had quite a big boost.
But at the same time, I remember I did this interview with New York Magazine about a year ago now.
It was sort of like the 50 influential voices in the media or whatever.
And they interviewed 50 people, one of whom was me.
And a lot of it was about independent media.
And they said, who do you think is the most impressive example of success in independent media?
Or who's had the best year?
And in both questions, I said, oh, The Deadly Wire.
I mean, they were really a juggernaut.
Everything they were touching seemed extremely successful.
They had those two films by Matt Walsh and My Racist and What is a Woman that, you know, did very well for a non-studio film.
They had Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh and Jordan Peterson, some of the most popular podcasts in the country.
They were...
Really skyrocketing in value.
And I know a lot of your reporting, talking to a lot of people who were at the Daily Wire, who are at the Daily Wire, who are very dissatisfied, suggests that, and I've been hearing this for quite some time from very reliable sources, this has all kind of come crumbling down, this financial prosperity, this financial growth.
What is it that you know about that?
The finances sound like they're right at the heart of it.
And it doesn't sound to me, from all the sources that I'm getting information from inside and around The Daily Wire, it doesn't sound like...
I think a lot of people try to speculate that The Daily Wire is funded by Israel or something.
And I don't have any sources that are telling me that.
As far as I can tell, the finances are not looking great right now.
But it's not that The Daily Wire is built necessarily on some giant Ponzi scheme, as much as that...
Jeremy Boring's leadership style has been problematic from the start.
And what I'm hearing is that Jeremy Boring's obsession with fame and with producing Hollywood films put an inordinate amount of stress on what should have been a perfectly floatable company and instead tried to turn into way more than it could handle way too soon.
And it sounds like The Daily Wire started to break under the weight of trying to become a movie studio.
And the financial struggles...
Sound like they go back well through 2024 and maybe even into 2023.
But now we're getting word of things like credit cards being canceled and...
Contracts trying to be renegotiated to leech a little extra money out of things.
And it sounds like it has gotten to the point where it is on the brink of collapse.
And I think that the ousting of Jeremy Boring, as far as for the survival of the Daily Wire, it could not have come too soon at this point.
Yeah.
And just, by the way, for the audience, in just a few minutes, we're going to move our discussion to the Locals platform for our members only.
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I wanted to ask you about the more ideological aspect of the Daily Wire.
It's so interesting to me because Ben Shapiro has really sort of been a chameleon when it comes to political identity.
He was a fanatical.
Never Trump voice.
People have forgotten this.
In the 2016 election, he hated Trump.
He wanted anybody other than Trump.
He then kind of understood that there's no way you could be a Trump skeptic, let alone a Trump opponent, and thrive in right-wing media, because right-wing media, essentially conservative by definition, are highly supportive of Trump, and so he got on board quickly, is now a Trump lover.
But what Ben Shapiro really has always stood for...
I think more than anything else, his real issue, his real passion is support for a foreign country, which is Israel, which is a rather odd posture to- Claim leadership as he does, or as people try and claim him as,
for a movement that describes itself as America first, that says we need to keep our money here at home for our citizens and not send it to foreign countries.
But I think the reason why that got ignored is because Israel has not really been on the front burner for a lot of years.
You probably have to go back to the Obama years in 2014 when Israel really last bombed the shit out of Gaza.
I mean, they're always bombing Gaza.
You know, every year.
That was the last time there was a major bombing attempt.
So you have millions of people who, for the first time after October 7th, got a good look at what Israel really is, at the way in which they rely on the U.S. funding them, financing them, paying for the military, paying for the wars, arming their wars, isolating themselves.
I know that when we had to talk about it a lot, it divided some of our audience, it polarized some of our audience.
A lot of our audience was very pro-Israel, but because it wasn't really on the top of the agenda, it didn't really affect things.
but it definitely affected our audience once we started talking about it a lot.
And it definitely affected the Daily Wires, particularly because it led to the ouster of Candace Owens, who was very off-key, to put it mildly, when it came to the Israeli war in Gaza.
So what do you think has happened, now that Israel is so much at the forefront of the agenda, to the Daily Wires'credibility and kind of the America First and MAGA movement, and just to the general audience that is getting a good look at what they
really are.
I mean, you really put, like...
You just kind of cut the issue with a knife, precisely.
And it's bigger than The Daily Wire, too, is that it's really exposed a divide that we didn't really notice existed in our entire nation, especially on the right.
And the right, it's particularly poignant because the right is captured by this concept of America first right now, as I think it should be.
And when your primary angle is shilling for a foreign country...
And trying to explain how that is America first, you're inevitably just word-salading and trying to play mind games with your audience.
And after October 7th, and after people started to watch how Candace Owens was reporting it, how people like you report on it, versus how someone like Ben Shapiro reports on it, it started to get more and more obvious, and that rift started to get wider and wider.
And I can't help but think of conservative events like AmFest that is largely funded by...
I mean, not only at all, but...
But has a huge amount of funding coming from the Daily Wire and features them extremely prominently.
Ben Shapiro was the opening speaker at this last AmFest.
And it's just a really...
It's a bad look for anyone in conservative media to have to try to make some set of arguments for why...
Defending Israel is an America first policy, especially while we have this kind of cloud of declassification hanging over our heads with Epstein files, JFK files, all these files that at least in some regard a lot of people suspect has some amount of Israel implications inside of them.
And so I think it's just a really interesting time in media where people are...
Waking up to an issue that was always here underneath the surface, the funding was always here, the media influence, Apex influence, it was all always here.
It's just that now it's forefront of the discussion in a way that people are having to talk about it in the light.
And the thing about the internet and about this kind of free media environment is that...
Your words have to stand on their own.
You have to stand up to the test of logic, to the test of discussion and debate.
And although Ben Shapiro is an excellent debater, in my personal opinion, I don't see any amount of debating that can convince me that, you know, being positioned for a foreign country first is ever going to be America first in any way.
And that came out really starkly how Jeremy Boring kind of went on a diatribe recently against Candace Owens and myself.
It was the day that I did the Joe Rogan episode and he named it like the darkest day in modern Jewish history or whatever.
He had this whole unhinged tweet that really was just kind of left field and not a good look for a CEO.
Yeah, the fact that his darkest day is not like 9 /11 or the destruction of Gaza or anything else, it's the fact that people who are critical of Israel get to be heard sort of gives away the game of what the Daily Wire really is.
This discussion, I have a lot more questions for you, Ian, so if you just bear with us.
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