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| Good evening, it's Friday, November 1st. | |
| That means we're four days away from what is called Election Day, probably about 10 days away, if not more, from knowing the outcome. | |
| But in any event, we will see. | |
| Welcome to a new episode of System Update, our live nightly show that airs every Monday through Friday at 7 p.m. | |
| Eastern, exclusively here on Rumble, the free speech alternative to YouTube. | |
| Tonight, anyone who has ever watched this show or followed my journalism in any way knows that the esteem in which I hold corporate media could not possibly be any lower. | |
| Before today I honestly thought that there was nothing they could do that would surprise me. | |
| I've seen them do it all. | |
| Lie the country into wars, drown the country in fake scandals from the CIA and FBI, refuse to report on documents right before the 2020 election because it would harm the reputation of the candidate they wanted to win, become the leading agitators for censorship, and so much more. | |
| I really thought I saw it all from them. | |
| And yet maybe I was being a little bit naive because today they actually managed to sink so low Spreading such blatant obvious lies that I confess the sheer shamelessness of it surprised me a bit. | |
| Last night, speaking at an event hosted by Tucker Carlson, former President Donald Trump made a point, a good and important point, that I have heard left liberals make for decades. | |
| Namely, that there are many people in Washington, such as Liz Cheney, who are what Trump called, quote, radical warmongers or radical war hawks. | |
| And as a result, they cheer on every war only because the war is abstract to them. | |
| Because they and their family never have to fight in those wars or bear any of the suffering and horrors from them and therefore can cheer without any cost. | |
| As a result, said Trump, Liz Cheney and people like her should be given a rifle and sent to fight in the war she loves so much. | |
| And then afterwards we will see whether she still believes that all these wars should happen and she's willing to support them simply Through the stroke of a pen. | |
| And then he said maybe she will have a different and more responsible view of wars if she has to actually go fight in those wars. | |
| Somehow, somehow from those comments, virtually the entire media, the Kamala Harris campaign, and almost every single liberal pundit with a couple of notable exceptions, And then it just became this self-righteous, | |
| melodramatic spectacle today of all of them expressing such fear and outrage and horror that Trump would call for the execution of his political opponents like the noble Liz Cheney. | |
| It's such blatant lying. | |
| But it also tells us a great deal about the Democratic Party, the liberal worship for the Cheneys, for neocons and militarism, and of course the willingness of the corporate media to just deliberately lie from political ends. | |
| Something most Americans, polls show, believe they do because that is in fact exactly what they do. | |
| They lie deliberately from political ends. | |
| Then, the online journal Slate Magazine... | |
| Yes, I know it does still exist. | |
| I don't blame you if you didn't know that. | |
| But it published one of the most rancid articles I have read in a long time. | |
| It basically referred to the discourse, the feminist discourse, that has been calling on Usha Vance to divorce her husband, J.D. Vance, due to his politics and his spot as Trump's running mate. | |
| But this article ultimately concluded that the reason she won't leave her husband as she should is because she does and thinks whatever her husband tells her to do and think. | |
| It also argued that she benefits too much from his white male privilege and therefore would never give that up by leaving. | |
| And that most of all, this article said, she has internalized self-hatred and as a result identifies emotionally and romantically with her white oppressors such as her husband, J.D. Vance. | |
| A recent campaign ad from the Harris camp encouraging women to vote for Kamala Harris sounded very similar themes about the weakness and helplessness of women. | |
| As I've often pointed out, there is no racism, no misogyny, no homophobia, no xenophobia more intense and disgusting than when someone in a marginalized group that Democrats believe they own steps out of line at all or thinks for themselves in any way. | |
| And that's why that's worth examining. | |
| And finally, Darren Beatty is a political scientist at Duke, a former Trump White House speechwriter and a good friend of the show. | |
| He's been on many times to talk about his excellent reporting. | |
| He will be on with us tonight to talk about the 2024 election, what he expects from it, what themes and principles are being illustrated by it, as well as something I've been wanting to cover for quite a long time and just never found the time, which is the U.S.-supported coup in Pakistan and the resulting unrest in that country caused by the United which is the U.S.-supported coup in Pakistan and the resulting unrest in Darren has been following that very closely. | |
| He interviewed Imran Khan, the now imprisoned and formally elected president of Pakistan, and so he has a lot to say on that topic, and I think it's really worth hearing. | |
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| I honestly cannot believe the scandal of the day that the media absolutely concocted out of thin air and yet seem to believe and are trying to turn into a major scandal, obviously trying to impact and influence the outcome of the election by blatantly lying about what Donald Trump said, taking his words that are very standard in liberal discourse about warmongers in D.C. and somehow converting it | |
| taking his words that are very standard in liberal discourse about warmongers in D.C. and somehow converting it into a threat that they say he made to And on every network... | |
| There was appearing journalists and anchors and liberal pundits and Democratic Party operatives all day, all day, all over social media and all over television, waxing indignantly. | |
| That Donald Trump, someone who might become our president, is now openly speaking about executing his political opponents by firing squad. | |
| Now, let's look at the actual words that Donald Trump spoke. | |
| This was last night at an event hosted by Tucker Carlson and broadcast on the Tucker Carlson Network. | |
| Is it weird for you to see Liz Cheney, that'd be Dick Cheney's... | |
| Is it weird for you to see Liz Cheney, that'd be Dick Cheney's repulsive little daughter, running against you with Kamala Harris? | |
| Well, I think it hurts Kamala a lot, actually. | |
| Look, she's a deranged person. | |
| But the reason she couldn't stand me is that she always wanted to go to war with people. | |
| I don't want to go to war. | |
| She wanted to go. | |
| She wanted to stay in Syria. | |
| I took them out. | |
| She wanted to stay in Iraq. | |
| I took them out. | |
| I mean, if it were up to her, we'd be in 50 different countries. | |
| She's a radical war hawk. | |
| Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? | |
| Let's see how she feels about it. | |
| You know, when the guns are trained in her face. | |
| You know, they're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, oh, gee, well, let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy. | |
| But she's a stupid person. | |
| And I used to have meetings with a lot of people, and she always wanted to go to war with people. | |
| I mean, the meaning of that could not be any clearer. | |
| Trump's not always the clearest speaker. | |
| He doesn't always express his thoughts with perfect clarity. | |
| But in this case... | |
| He actually spoke in a very cogent way, a very easy to understand way, and his point was so obvious in part because it has been made for so long primarily by liberals, by people on the left, especially during the war on terror when there were all these neocons and George Bush and Dick Cheney, none of whom fought in wars, none of them who joined the military, many of whom evaded Military service led by Liz Cheney's father, Dick Cheney. | |
| And there was a common argument that, look, the reason these people are so eager to send others to war is because they're never the ones who have to go fight them. | |
| They should go fight the wars that they want to start because that'll make for a more responsible war policy. | |
| The way that monarchs in Europe used to lead their armies into war when they wanted to go to war, they wouldn't sit in their castles. | |
| They would go and actually fight. | |
| It's expected of even the British royal family now. | |
| When the British had that dumb war with Argentina over the Falklands, the brother of the current British king, Prince Charles, who was Prince Andrew, who's been disgraced by the Epstein scandal, went and fought in that war. | |
| And that's expected of a tradition of European leaders and European royalty, and it's not at all a tradition in the United States. | |
| Most of the time, people cheerleading wars and sending others to war are people who have never seen a war, who have evaded war. | |
| And he was making that point. | |
| If Liz Cheney loves war so much, let's give her a rifle. | |
| And she can go be the one who they're aiming at to kill and facing the consequences of the war. | |
| And then maybe she'll come back and she won't love war as much as she does. | |
| This is so basic, so common, it's so clear what he said. | |
| He was asked about it again today because the media has turned this into just such a melodramatic scandal. | |
| You can go look at every major news site like CNN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, Donald Trump returns to violent rhetoric by threatening Liz Cheney with execution. | |
| And so they asked him about it and here's what he said when asked about it. | |
| He just repeated the argument in the same clear way. | |
| Oh, yeah, sure. | |
| She's a war hog. | |
| She kills people. | |
| She wanted to... | |
| Even in my administration, she was pushing... | |
| We go to war with everybody. | |
| And I said, if you ever gave her a rifle, let her do the fighting. | |
| If you ever do that, she wouldn't be doing too well, I will tell you right now. | |
| But... | |
| She wants to go kill people unnecessarily. | |
| And if she had to do it herself and she had to face the consequences of battle, she wouldn't be doing it. | |
| So it's easy for her to talk, but she wouldn't be doing it. | |
| She's actually a disgrace. | |
| Well, she is campaigning. | |
| I mean, she's campaigning for us. | |
| I mean, It could not be any clearer. | |
| And let me just show you the transcript of what he actually said. | |
| Because the fact that when you look at the transcript, it's even more amazing. | |
| The fact that the media actually took this and tried to claim that he was calling for the execution of Liz Cheney by firing squad. | |
| And we're going to show you examples of how much they did that. | |
| How seamlessly and unflinchingly they claimed that's what he was saying. | |
| So, as you heard in that video, Tucker Carlson said, what about Dick Cheney's creepy little daughter running around and campaigning for Kamala Harris? | |
| Did you ever expect to see that? | |
| And here was Trump's full response, the transcript of it. | |
| He said, quote, She, Liz Cheney, wanted to go to, she wanted to stay in Syria. | |
| I took them out. | |
| She wanted to stay in Iraq. | |
| I took them out. | |
| I mean, if it were up to her, we'd be in 50 different countries. | |
| She's a radical war hawk. | |
| So here he said, she's a radical war hawk. | |
| That was his critique that he was making of her. | |
| And then he said, let's put her with a rifle. | |
| Let's put her, let's give her a rifle. | |
| And so she can stand there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? | |
| Let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face rather than on the faces of the other people she wants sent to war. | |
| So just about this passage alone, how could anybody possibly believe that he was calling for Liz Cheney's execution by firing squad when the very beginning remarks he made was, let's give Liz Cheney a rifle? | |
| Is it common for people that you want to execute to first supply them with weapons? | |
| Wouldn't that seem pretty contrary to the plan to execute them? | |
| I mean, hey, we're going to execute you before we do. | |
| We'd like you to have this rifle. | |
| Maybe you can take out a few of our mass firing squad members before they get you. | |
| Just make it a little fair. | |
| Have a rifle. | |
| Hey, you're going to the electric chair. | |
| Do you want a rifle? | |
| Maybe you can shoot some people taking you there. | |
| Maybe you can escape that way. | |
| Obviously, when he says, let's give her a rifle and let her go do this fighting, he's just making the standard chicken hawk, warmonger critique that I remember like it was yesterday, all throughout the Bush and Cheney years, was one of the leading critiques, especially in the 2004 election. | |
| When you had John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, Versus George Bush and Dick Cheney who did not. | |
| This was, over and over, the primary argument that the left liberals made. | |
| And I know because I was around them all the time. | |
| I remember all of this. | |
| This was the standard argument. | |
| He went on, let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face. | |
| And then he said, and this just makes it clear, I'm not editing anything out. | |
| He said, you know they're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, oh gee, well let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy. | |
| But she's a stupid person. | |
| And I used to, I had meetings with a lot of people and she always wanted to go to war with people. | |
| critique accurate about Liz Cheney, that one of the reasons she hates Donald Trump is because he kept trying to get out of wars. | |
| He kept criticizing neoconservative dogma. | |
| You can watch a YouTube video before we had the show that I did, as well as an article I wrote, because I sat there once and watched the House Armed Services Committee meet and debate for 14 hours. | |
| And the reason they were meeting and debating was because Trump had announced his agreement with the Taliban to remove American troops from Afghanistan, like he tried to do from Syria and Iraq. | |
| And Liz Cheney and a few other warmongers in the Republican Party, neocon types, joined with the pro-war Democrats to enact an amendment that would defund any attempt to remove troops from Afghanistan. | |
| And then you had a coalition of other people who wanted to leave Afghanistan, people like Tulsi Gabbard and Matt Gaetz, a very bipartisan populist wing of each party, who were saying, we should be out of Afghanistan yesterday. | |
| And that's why all these neocons are with the Democrats, because as Liz Cheney said when she announced her and her father's endorsement of Kamala Harris, she said, I'm not only endorsing Kamala because I'm afraid of Trump or he's against democracy, it's because her foreign policy is closer to our family's foreign policy than a Trump-led Republican Party is. | |
| And that's why he's assailing these neocons, because he knows they're against him and he knows why they're against him. | |
| Now, here is how the New York Times today chose to report on those comments we just went over. | |
| By video, by transcript, and then the ones that he said, again, to clarify. | |
| Even though it needed no clarification, it couldn't have been clearer. | |
| The New York Times, November 1st. | |
| Trump assails Liz Cheney and imagine guns, quote, shooting at her. | |
| Vice President Kamala Harris said that anyone who uses, quote, that kind of violent rhetoric is clearly disqualified and unqualified to be president. | |
| And then it went on to kind of compare Trump's rhetoric and tried to link it to all these other instances where they claim he was being violent, the bloodbath hoax, the January 6th stuff, all the different I | |
| know Liz Cheney well enough to know that she is tough. | |
| She is incredibly courageous. | |
| And has shown herself to be a true patriot at a very difficult time in our country. | |
| Please, please just tell me one thing that Liz Cheney has ever done in her entire life that qualifies as principled or courageous. | |
| Just tell me one thing. | |
| She was born to someone who became the dominant political figure in the state of Wyoming and that's the only reason she had a political career because her dad Got her into politics. | |
| She ran on her last name. | |
| And she was supporting everything that Trump was doing. | |
| She was supporting everything that George Bush and Dick Cheney were doing while they were in office. | |
| She still to this day says the invasion of the Iraq war is correct. | |
| Torture, rendition, CIA black sites, due process, free imprisonment. | |
| All of that she defends to this very day. | |
| Things that Democrats and liberals all the time are calling a destruction of the Constitution, war crimes, etc. | |
| Liz Cheney to this very day advocates that. | |
| This person that Kamala Harris is saying is so courageous and principled and such a patriot. | |
| And yes, it is true that she turned against Trump when When January 6th happened, but that was because she was already removed from leadership because of her attempts to impede what many of Trump's policies before that, as I said, such as the attempt to withdraw from Afghanistan. | |
| And when, by the way, Liz Cheney first ran for Congress for Wyoming, her family's view on same-sex marriage... | |
| Was often stated very clearly. | |
| In fact, Dick Cheney was, I think, the first national politician ever to say that same-sex couples, the legality of same-sex couples should be recognized. | |
| He said that in his 2000 debate with the vice presidential candidate Al Gore. | |
| That was 11 years before Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton got around to defending same-sex marriage. | |
| And the reason is because Dick Cheney has a daughter, Mary Cheney, who is married to a woman. | |
| And he invoked libertarian principles and said, I don't think we should be telling adults with whom they can and can't get married. | |
| I despise Dick Cheney, but that is actually what he did, and he deserves credit for that. | |
| He was basically defending his daughter. | |
| Liz Cheney, though, when she ran for Congress, knew that if she came out in favor of same-sex marriage, that would be a harmful, politically harmful position to take in the red state of Wyoming. | |
| And so even though her sister was in a same-sex marriage, Liz Cheney came out and said she opposes same-sex marriage, opposes their recognition, and believes they're immoral. | |
| In other words, she trashed her own sister's marriage. | |
| She was very close to her sister. | |
| She went to their wedding. | |
| But to advance her own political career, she decided to condemn publicly the marriage of her sister. | |
| Even when Dick Cheney was running for vice president, that's not something he was willing to do. | |
| That's who Liz Cheney is. | |
| Along with all the other things that she... | |
| Here's how the Washington Post covered it. | |
| Can you believe this? | |
| I mean, can you actually believe it after listening to those videos and looking at the transcript that this is how they're framing this? | |
| Quote, the Republican nominee often describes graphic and gruesome scenes of crime and violence, real and imagined. | |
| Here's the Rolling Stone earlier today. | |
| Quote, deranged Trump fantasizes about guns pointed at Liz Cheney's face. | |
| The former president told Tucker. | |
| It's I mean, it's it's so surreal watching them all do this. | |
| The former president told Tucker Carlson that the former Republican representative should have nine barrels, quote, trained on her face. | |
| Yes. | |
| Here's a little bit of what happened this morning on Morning Joe. | |
| Here you can see, just let me set the stage for this. | |
| So here's Joe Scarborough talking to Mika Brzezinski. | |
| This is Joe Biden's favorite show because of what a partisan outlet it is. | |
| Joe Scarborough, by the way, for those of you who don't know, was considered a far-right Republican. | |
| He ran and was elected on the wave of Republicans who were elected in the 1990s in the midterm election in 1994 in response to Bill Clinton and his presidency led by Newt Gingrich, who was considered this conservative revolutionary. | |
| That was Joe Scarborough. | |
| And then once he got out of Congress, he got on MSNBC and now he reads from the same DNC script that they all read from, but even more passionately. | |
| So here you have Joe Scarborough and his wife Mika Brzezinski wearing a The USA flag on her t-shirt that she's displaying. | |
| And then here you have the Drudge Report, which is very mysterious, what happened to the Drudge Report. | |
| It was very, very popular in the 1990s and the Clinton era and into the 2000s. | |
| It was Matt Drudge, who was sort of a right-wing conservative libertarian type, who just had a huge impact on the media. | |
| This is an extremely well-run site. | |
| Nobody knows anymore if Matt Drudge is even there, if he sold it, if someone took it over. | |
| He never appears in public. | |
| And it's as anti-Trump as any resistance liberal you will find online. | |
| And the headline on the Trump Judge Report, which Mika and Joe on Morning Joe and MSNBC decided to blow up into the majority of the picture was, Trump calls for Cheney's execution. | |
| Just, that's what MSNBC was showing today. | |
| And there at the bottom, in the graphic, it says Donald Trump on Liz Cheney, quote, let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. | |
| Again, I mean, they're even acknowledging that Trump said let's give her a rifle. | |
| Like, why would you do that if you wanted to execute someone? | |
| Here's a little bit of what the madness that they spewed on the network today. | |
| It's General Mark Milley, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who Donald Trump also threatened with execution because he disagreed with Donald Trump on January the 6th. | |
| And he's one of the highest decorated, most highly decorated soldiers of this century. | |
| And they dismiss General Mark Milley as a meme. | |
| The Washington Post decides that when you have two of the most highly decorated soldiers of the 21st century, in Mark Milley and also in General John Kelly, That should be dismissed. | |
| So that's one side of the equation. | |
| The other side of the equation here is Donald Trump is talking about Republicans here. | |
| He's talking about somebody that had a 95 ACU rating. | |
| Somebody who has been the conservative's conservative for years. | |
| So more conservative in every way than Donald Trump. | |
| And yet, just because she's disloyal to him, just because she said, there's something deeply wrong with a commander... | |
| ...in chief, allowing riots to go on, refusing to stop those riots, and in fact, going into his dining room alone, staring and looking at some of the most violent parts of the riot, rewinding them, watching them again, rewinding them, watching them again, while his vice president and Secret Service detail Are locked up in the basement. | |
| And his Secret Service detail, Mike Pence, is calling their families and saying they don't think they're going to make it out alive. | |
| Let's just listen to the... | |
| I know that's very melodramatic. | |
| That's very, very heavy and emotionally affecting. | |
| We're going to try and get the rest of this... | |
| Doors getting beaten up, getting clubbed almost to death, within inches of their death, having bear spray sprayed on them. | |
| This, this is what is so dismissed. | |
| Day in and day out and day in and day out. | |
| And that is what Liz Cheney objected to, which is what the Wall Street Journal editorial page objected to at one time. | |
| And now because Liz Cheney objected to those riots and the way things were handled, she's an enemy of the state to Donald Trump. | |
| And on his closing weekend, he's calling for nine guns to be pointed at her face to execute her. | |
| I don't know what to say. | |
| I mean, it's like watching... | |
| Like, mental patients who just got out of an institution and they're all, for whatever reason, in front of the camera and they're like babbling. | |
| I mean, this did not happen. | |
| None of this happened. | |
| Obviously, Donald Trump didn't even get close to saying any of that. | |
| And yet, they cannot exercise any independent thought. | |
| As Jeff Bezos said, they only speak to and for each other. | |
| And as we're going to show you, there's a major discipline, message discipline system in place that punishes any journalist who steps even a little bit out of line, as a couple of liberal journalists did today, saying, I don't actually think Trump said that. | |
| And you'll see what happened to them. | |
| Now, Now, one major reason why there's so much adoration of Liz Cheney and so much desire to rush to her defense and to not allow the critique that Donald Trump was actually making of the warmongers in Washington is because he was really one major reason why there's so much adoration of Liz Cheney and so much desire to rush to her defense and to not allow the critique that Donald Trump was actually making of the warmongers in Washington is because he was really speaking not only about Every war we fight, they cheer. | |
| They never want to end it. | |
| They want to start new wars. | |
| This is how the U.S. has become a country of endless wars. | |
| And those are neocons primarily who believe most in that doctrine that Trump attacks. | |
| And here is a crew of former Republicans who are the kind of never Trump conservatives, as they call themselves, never Trump Republicans, who have started off being anti-Trump but have become full-fledged partisan cheerleaders for the Democratic Party. | |
| And this is all from the website that was created by one of the most despicable and dishonest and bloodthirsty neocons of all, Bill Kristol. | |
| We've devoted an entire show to him before about what he's done. | |
| This is his... | |
| Website, The Bulwark, and listen to these three never-Trump conservatives talk about what the Democratic Party has become. | |
| This was right after the day that Kamala Harris gave her big speech on the wall. | |
| It got eclipsed by Joe Biden and his comments calling Trump supporters garbage. | |
| But she did give the speech on the wall, and they're talking about how fantastic it was. | |
| But also listen to what they say about what Democrats have become. | |
| They had clearly been like, look, it's our last chance. | |
| We're going to do it all in this speech, right? | |
| So we're going to hit, we're going to make sure that people know child tax credit and we're going to build housing and we're going to cap insulin prices. | |
| Although I kind of thought they already did that, but maybe I don't know my policy as correct. | |
| But here was the thing about the cheering that I loved. | |
| Speaking of Stonewall, but also I think it's amazing when you get 75,000 presumably libs on the ellipse And she's like, we're going to have the most lethal fighting force. | |
| And people are like, yeah! | |
| And she's like, and we're going to secure the border. | |
| And people are like, yeah! | |
| And I was just like, we are going to be leaders in the world, and we're not going to let these guys put this around. | |
| And I was like, man, man, the world's really changed. | |
| Did the neocons just take over the Democratic Party? | |
| Don't say that. | |
| Okay, let's watch what happened there. | |
| This is Jonathan Land, this weirdo with the hat. | |
| And then on the left is Tim Miller, who's a lifelong Republican operative, worked for McCain and Mitt Romney and those types. | |
| And this Jonathan Land, a longtime neoconservative who's worked at the Weekly Standard with Bill Kristol, listening to this woman correctly explain that liberals now cheer for everything they claim forever to hate. | |
| The strongest military force in the world, tight borders, closing the border. | |
| These are all things they used to call fascist when any Republican was advocating them. | |
| And so he, in response to her saying that, he put his little pinky in his mouth like a Bonneville. | |
| And he's like, did the neocons take over the Democratic Party? | |
| And then right away, Tim Miller says, you know, we're not, you shouldn't be saying that. | |
| Because of course, that's exactly what happened. | |
| That's what a lot of this realignment is. | |
| That's what this whole episode is about with Dick Cheney, with Liz Cheney being attacked by Donald Trump as a warmonger and a war hawk. | |
| And why the reaction is so strong to protect Liz Cheney and to ignore their critique, because these neocons are in charge of the Democratic Party. | |
| These are their thought leaders and foreign policy gurus. | |
| Let's listen to the rest of that. | |
| Changed. | |
| Did the neocons just take over the Democratic Party? | |
| I don't know. | |
| Don't say that. | |
| Yeah, don't say it. | |
| But I will say, she is, look, man, she's leaning into... | |
| All right, so they're absolutely correct about that. | |
| Anybody who pays even slight attention understands it's not just the neocons who were called war criminals 15 years ago and monstrous warmongers by Democrats and liberals. | |
| No, it's just that they've migrated to the Democratic Party. | |
| It's that they haven't changed any of their views. | |
| The Democratic Party has morphed into them. | |
| They're the ones, Democrats, now that cheer every war. | |
| It's the Biden administration funding the war. | |
| In Israel, it's the Democratic Party. | |
| Every one of them, not a single dissent, are funding the war in Ukraine. | |
| Always thinking that the role of the United States is to go in and change other countries' governments. | |
| It was under Obama that we did a dirty war in Syria to try and unseat Bashar al-Assad unsuccessfully. | |
| It was Obama when Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power and Susan Rice convinced him to join France and the UK in going and bombing Libya and removing Muammar Gaddafi, turning that country into just a... | |
| This is a melting pot of anarchy and slavery and ISIS and migrant crisis. | |
| This is what they do. | |
| This is who they are. | |
| And that's why people like Liz Cheney and all these neocons have gone to the Democratic Party and are going around the country campaigning for Kamala. | |
| Not just because they're offended by January 6th. | |
| But because they distrust Trump when it comes to foreign policy. | |
| Here is this morning on CNN. This is one of the most ridiculous people in media. | |
| Her name is Casey Hunt. | |
| Whenever I see something just like, whenever I see the media doing something as a herd that is just kind of remarkable in terms of its insanity and falsity, she always goes just a kind of step further. | |
| She's very emotional about it. | |
| She's very melodramatic about it. | |
| And I think she's one of those people who really believes what she's hearing from all these other places that she listens to. | |
| And she was really upset this morning that Trump threatened Liz Cheney with execution by firing squad. | |
| Four days out from Election Day and former President Donald Trump is escalating his violent rhetoric, suggesting one of his most prominent critics, the former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, should be fired upon. | |
| She's a radical war hawk. | |
| Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? | |
| Let's see how she feels about it. | |
| You know, when the guns are trained on her face. | |
| You know, they're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying, oh, gee will, let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy. | |
| Let's see how she feels when the guns are trained on her face. | |
| Exactly. | |
| Let's do that. | |
| Let's actually do that. | |
| Let's give Liz Cheney a rifle and tell her that for whatever war she wants to go fight it, that she wants the U.S. to fight it, she should go to the front lines with a rifle that will give her, and she can see the realities of the wars that she cheers, and then she can come back and she can say whether or not she still believes in those wars. | |
| That's exactly what should happen. | |
| Literally, that's what should happen. | |
| One of the main problems of our country is that that doesn't happen. | |
| What happens instead is exactly what Trump said, even in that clip. | |
| That all these people sit around conference rooms and think tanks and adorned 18th century buildings like the Congress and the White House and the Senate and just send people off to war because they have no consequences from it. | |
| They have no impact on them or their families. | |
| And Liz Cheney is a classic case of that. | |
| So is her father. | |
| And so, yes, that's exactly what we should do. | |
| But you see on the screen, they're excluding that argument entirely. | |
| It says Trump says of Liz Cheney, quote, let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her. | |
| Let's sit with that for a moment. | |
| Let's sit with that for a moment. | |
| Of course, violent rhetoric. | |
| It's not new for Trump. | |
| But this stark imagery represents an escalation at a tense moment when the country is on edge heading into Tuesday, with 7 in 10 Americans saying they feel anxious or frustrated about the election, according to a new AP poll. | |
| And it comes after Trump has raised the specter of using the U.S. military on Americans he calls the enemy within. | |
| May I make another observation about all of this, if you permit me? | |
| The theme of all these people is that it's Donald Trump who dangerously uses violent rhetoric. | |
| He's the one who threatens his political opponents with violence like he did today when he called for Liz Cheney's execution by firing a squad. | |
| But as I recall, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I have a pretty clear recollection that it was Donald Trump, not Liz Cheney, not Kamala Harris, not Tim Walz, not Nancy Pelosi. | |
| It was Donald Trump Who was the target of two different assassins. | |
| One who came about five millimeters away from blowing his head off. | |
| And another who would have done that had someone in the Secret Service not detected him a few hundred yards away from where Donald Trump was on a golf course. | |
| Can you imagine, can you even imagine if Kamala Harris was the subject of two different assassination attempts in two months? | |
| But somehow it's Donald Trump that's spreading all this violent rhetoric, and this is all made up. | |
| Here, as you know, because I've talked about it so many times before, is one of the leading liars in the media. | |
| He's the person who invented a non-existent alliance between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein because Americans were only going to support the war in Iraq if they thought it was about 9-11, and he's what gave them the basis to believe falsely that it was about 9-11, the invasion of Iraq. | |
| Oh, Saddam Hussein, yeah, he's with al-Qaeda. | |
| And he's now the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, which is owned and funded by a Kamala Harris megadonor, which is Steve Jobs' wife. | |
| His widow, who inherited his fortune. | |
| And he oversees the Atlantic, which was also ground zero for Russiagate frauds. | |
| And here he is on CNN reacting to... | |
| You know what? | |
| Actually, this is not Jeffrey Goldberg. | |
| This was on my screen, so I apologize. | |
| This is actually a different but very similar person. | |
| No, this is Jonah Goldberg. | |
| I understand why. | |
| Why our staff got a little confused. | |
| This is Jonah Goldberg. | |
| This is not Jeffrey Goldberg. | |
| Jonah Goldberg is a... | |
| He was at the National Review during the entire War on Terror. | |
| He got that job because his mom was a well-known public figure, Lucienne Goldberg, who was a long-time journalist in conservative media, so that's how he got his job. | |
| And Jeffrey, Jonah Goldberg, not Jeffrey Goldberg, Jonah Goldberg is somebody who avoided military service his whole life and used to write article after article after article when he was like 28 and 30, 32, like perfect military fighting age all throughout the war on terror about how we should go fight this country and invade that country. | |
| And the main attack on him by liberals is exactly what Trump said about Liz Cheney. | |
| Like, oh, why don't you pick up our iPhone and go fight instead of other people sending you to fight? | |
| I'll show you in a second his response. | |
| But here was Jonah Goldberg today on CNN talking about the execution threat of Liz Cheney from Trump. | |
| Look, I don't think you even need to call it fired upon. | |
| He's saying quite explicitly and unambiguously that Liz Kennedy should be shot, should be executed by firing squad. | |
| That is appalling. | |
| It is a small facet of the reasons why he's unfit for office and the Republican Party has made a disastrous mistake re-nominating him. | |
| All that said, since we're here for the punditry... | |
| I don't know what this gets him, right? | |
| If his problem is freaking out suburban women who don't like the chaos, don't like the violent rhetoric and all that kind of stuff, that's just not a great closing argument. | |
| Let's execute a political opponent who happens to be a woman because I don't like her. | |
| Does that pull more low-propensity voters in his coalition to the polls? | |
| I honestly don't think so, but maybe they have some data that says otherwise. | |
| I just... | |
| If Access Hollywood did not have an impact in rendering this individual unfit to be elected president of the United States, and then forget everything that happened... | |
| But okay, then let's forget what happened for the next four years. | |
| So if January 6th and the rhetoric there did not render this individual unfit for office, and people still have open questions about Donald Trump, then I don't know what else is going to move the needle. | |
| And to Jonah's point, there is no defending that rhetoric. | |
| We can try to both sides anything that anybody says, but that was quite explicit, what he said there. | |
| I just... | |
| You would have a hard time selling a jury that that's what he said. | |
| I would not have a hard time selling a jury that that's what he said. | |
| Although it was a statement made out of court. | |
| I mean, can you believe these people sat here all day having, like, pundit gatherings and columns and news articles all based on the not just false but absurd and ridiculous and laughable claim that Donald Trump threatened to execute Liz Cheney by firing squad? | |
| Now, I have to say, giving partial credit where it's due... | |
| Jonah Goldberg, after the CNN show, spoke to someone who explained to him why he's a complete idiot and why understanding Trump's statement in the way that he understood them was Infinitely stupid. | |
| And it actually convinced Donald Goldberg, and he went on to Twitter, not on CNN, and he said, look, I said these things on CNN today that Donald Trump threatened Liz Cheney with execution, but I realize now that that's not remotely what he said. | |
| And he issued, you know, to his credit, an apology because it's just anyone thinking a little bit rationally will understand that. | |
| Liz Cheney, of course, took advantage of this and stepped out in front of everyone's eyesight to get as much attention as possible. | |
| Here was what she put on Acts, quote, this is how dictators destroy free nations. | |
| They threaten those who speak against them with death. | |
| We cannot entrust our country and our freedom to a petty, vindictive, cruel, unstable man who wants to be a tyrant. | |
| Hashtag women will not be silenced. | |
| Hashtag vote Kamala. | |
| I mean, she's really playing it up like, oh, you know, he threatened to execute me. | |
| This is what dictators do. | |
| And it was because I'm a woman. | |
| I mean, the Cheney family have been lying to the public for decades. | |
| That's what they do. | |
| They're trained liars. | |
| And so, of course, she stepped up to play the victim role. | |
| Now, as I said, it wasn't every liberal pundit. | |
| I want to give credit to a writer, a reporter from Vox, Zach Beauchamp, who is an explicit supporter of Kamala Harris. | |
| But nonetheless, he had the courage to go onto Twitter, although he paid a big price for it, and post this, quote, "Folks, Trump didn't threaten to execute Liz Cheney. | |
| He was actually calling her a chicken hawk, something liberals said about her for ages. | |
| Look at the context. | |
| Trump is talking about giving her a weapon. | |
| Typically, people put in front of firing squads aren't armed." And then he quotes the actual statement that Donald Trump actually made. | |
| Now, in response, you can imagine how he was swarmed with attacks and anger and condemnation from all sorts of liberals in media and in politics, because that's how they keep these people in line. | |
| Anyone who steps out of line, they know in media... | |
| We'll be sworn with attacks and hatred. | |
| They'll feel threatened in their jobs. | |
| One of the people who led the way in attacking him was a Biden White House official, Neera Tanden, who used to go wild on Twitter. | |
| That's why she couldn't get confirmed by the Senate for the position Biden wanted to appoint her to, so she just became a White House advisor. | |
| And in response to this reporter's honest statement, she wrote, quote, Now, just to give you a little bit of idea about how common this theme is that Trump sounded, Not just going back to the war in Tira, but even back to the war in Vietnam. | |
| I want to show you the lyrics, some of the lyrics, of the 1963 song written by Bob Dylan, who He came from the counterculture of the 1960s, was a person of the left. | |
| He was an opponent of the Vietnam War and wars in general. | |
| And his song was called Masters of War. | |
| And here's just some of the relevant text that basically is actually more aggressive than anything Trump said, but it sounds the same themes. | |
| Quote, You that never done nothing but build to destroy. | |
| You play with my world like it's your little toy. | |
| You fasten all the triggers for the others to fire. | |
| Then you sit back and watch when the death count gets higher. | |
| You hide in your mansion while the young people's blood flows out of their bodies and is buried in the mud. | |
| And I hope that you die, and your death will come soon. | |
| I'll follow your casket by the pale afternoon, and I'll watch while you're lowered down to your deathbed, and I'll stand over your grave till I'm sure that you're dead. | |
| And that was left-wing politics in the 1960s, and it was also left-wing politics in the 1980s under Reagan, and especially under the War on Terror. | |
| Now, I just want to show you a couple more things, because I believe we have Darren Beatty here. | |
| But, as I said to you before, this theme that Trump sounded, and this is what amazed me, is I really started paying attention to online political discourse when the blogosphere, as it was called, it was a pretty cringy term, but that's what it was called, emerged, both the liberal blogosphere and the conservative blogosphere. | |
| The liberal blogosphere was stronger because they were reacting to Bush and Cheney and to the media's Support for the war on terror. | |
| There was nobody really opposing it. | |
| And they created this blogosphere. | |
| Just sort of ordinary people who were screaming into the void. | |
| And they found a big audience. | |
| And I watched so many of them. | |
| I remember so clearly. | |
| I was reading them before I started even writing about journalism myself. | |
| I watched. | |
| I remember all day, every day, they would call Dick Cheney a chicken hawk. | |
| Say that if George Bush and Dick Cheney and neocons want all these wars, they should go fight in them. | |
| Exactly what Trump said about Liz Cheney. | |
| They were saying it every day. | |
| I bet you they wrote more than a hundred articles about it over the years. | |
| And so many of them today spent the day claiming that when Trump said exactly the same thing about Liz Cheney, he was somehow advocating her execution. | |
| Here in 2004, as the country was heading into the 2004 campaign when George Bush and Dick Cheney were running for re-election and the Democrats had nominated John Kerry, who, unlike Bush and Cheney, actually fought in a war in Vietnam. | |
| The headline was, Military Service Becomes Issue in Bush-Carry Race. | |
| Quote, That very same month, | |
| In the last month, George W. Bush was on far safer ground in Valdosta, Georgia, learning to fly fighter jets for the Texas National Guard, a coveted post that greatly reduced any risk that he would be sent to Vietnam and one that he might not have obtained had his father, who ended up running the CIA and being president, but at the time he was a member of Congress. who ended up running the CIA and being president, but Mr. Bush went on to miss a number of National Guard training sessions, although his spokesmen say he made up the dates and his records show he was honorably discharged. | |
| Democrats, who this week accused Mr. Bush of being AWOL from the National Guard, are using it as a weapon to undermine Mr. Bush's greatest electoral strength, his record of national security, after the September 11, 2001 attacks. | |
| I mentioned the aforementioned Jonah Goldberg, who was on CNN today interpreting all this as a call for Liz Cheney's assassination. | |
| Back then, Jonah Goldberg, one of the things that he wrote that made him the symbol of cowardly, chicken-hawk neoconservatism was he was, you know, in his middle 30s, he was cheerleading every war, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, advocating that we do regime change in Iran, Guantanamo, the whole thing. | |
| And then he actually wrote an article where he favorably quoted an old neocon, Michael Ledeen, who has since died, where Michael Ledeen said, and I'm quoting almost verbatim, every once in a while the United States has to pick up some crappy country and throw it against the wall to prove to the world that we are serious and we mean business. | |
| That's what General Goldberg was advocating. | |
| Yeah, we've got to pick these countries up, some crappy countries, just throw it against the wall, just to show we mean, like, bomb it, just kill some of them, just to show the world we mean business. | |
| Obviously, in response, huge numbers of people, mostly liberals, were saying to him, why don't you go do that? | |
| Why don't you pick up a rifle? | |
| Let's give you a rifle, as Trump said about Liz Cheney. | |
| Let's go send you. | |
| And so here was his answer to all of these attacks on him for that in January of 2005 when he was at the National Review. | |
| He said, every now and then, and again, oh, here's actually, I'm sorry, this is where he said the quote, quote, every now and again, the United States has to pick up a crappy little country and throw it against a wall just to prove we are serious, right? | |
| And then in response to all of these criticisms, like, hey, why don't we give you a rifle? | |
| He said the following, quote, as for why my sorry ass isn't in the kill zone, lots of people think this is a searingly pertinent question. | |
| No answer that I could give. | |
| I'm 35 years old. | |
| My family couldn't afford the lost income. | |
| I have a baby daughter. | |
| My ass is sorry, or if you ever seem to suffice. | |
| But this chicken hawk nonsense is something that's been batted around too many times to get into again here. | |
| So his excuse for why he doesn't go throw these countries against the wall was his family couldn't afford the lost income. | |
| He was writing books, bestseller books, making millions of dollars. | |
| He had a young daughter. | |
| He was 35, as though that's too old to fight. | |
| Every single person in the military could have used those excuses. | |
| This is who neocons are and always have been and still are, and that's what Trump was attacking. | |
| My former colleague and friend, Lee Fong, who's been on our show many times, recently was in a debate Hosted by Barry Weiss and the Free Press with two Classic neocons. | |
| Brett Stevens, who's a columnist of the New York Times, and Jamie Kerchick. | |
| Both are totally standard neocons. | |
| Neither of them have ever fought a day in the military. | |
| They all cheer every single war. | |
| The one that Israel's fighting in Gaza, they want regime change in Iran, the Iraq war, all of it. | |
| The whole litany. | |
| Like Liz Janey, like Jonah Goldberg. | |
| And they were debating whether or not the United States should continue to police the world with its military force. | |
| And this was Lee's question to them, and you'll see how they react. | |
| This country has an all-volunteer military. | |
| There's no draft. | |
| People join the military and they're proud of their service. | |
| And that kind of argument is really low. | |
| Because these people choose to do what they're doing. | |
| We don't have a draft. | |
| They choose to do what they're doing because they have no economic choice in most of those communities. | |
| That's another debate, Matt. | |
| That's another debate. | |
| We're not debating that. | |
| Why aren't you fighting, Jamie? | |
| I'm too old at this point. | |
| Are you? | |
| You're not. | |
| I'm 40 years old. | |
| You've changed, you know, not that long ago, although a little while ago, you were asked by the AP at a pro-Iraq war rally that you organized. | |
| When I was in college? | |
| Would you go serve? | |
| You said, I can't serve right now, I'm in college. | |
| Now, because you're too old, you won't serve? | |
| I mean, come on, Jamie. | |
| Please. | |
| We also have a civilian-controlled military. | |
| So I don't know who you expect to be calling the shots here. | |
| I'm a civilian. | |
| I'm an American citizen. | |
| I have just as much a right as anyone else in this room to offer their opinions on foreign policy. | |
| It sounds like you guys want a militarily-controlled government. | |
| No, I just want some consistency, some skin in the game. | |
| I remember four years ago seeing... | |
| The only people who serve in the military can have an opinion on foreign policy? | |
| Can I say something? | |
| Four years ago, we saw academics and NGO liberals encouraging young people to go out and riot and commit violent crime, knowing that they wouldn't be impacted. | |
| It was young people who would get arrest records who could ruin their lives. | |
| I mean, that disgusted me. | |
| They see people urging others to be in harm's way. | |
| It's the same dynamic here. | |
| If you feel so strongly about war, about fighting these enemies abroad, I mean, I don't think it's that much for Matt or others to ask for putting some skin in the game. | |
| And you're not that old. | |
| In Ukraine, they're now relying on... | |
| You look great. | |
| They're trying to tell you look really excellent. | |
| Look at the people fighting in Ukraine now. | |
| They're forcing conscripts who are in their late 40s and 50s to fight in the trenches. | |
| They're fighting a war of their survival. | |
| I'm just saying, you're not too old. | |
| You can say it. | |
| Can I just say, I think... | |
| I mean, you see, this is who they are. | |
| Now, Lee's lucky that he's not running for president on the Republican ticket because if he were, he would be widely accused by the Democratic Party and the media of having called for the execution of those two little neocons on the stage who have cheered wars their entire lives going back to their early 20s without ever getting near a war zone. | |
| I'm very glad Trump said what he said. | |
| I think we need that exact statement to be said a lot more, to demand all these people in Washington to want to keep sending young people to war. | |
| And as you saw from the Bob Dylan song that's been going on since the 1960s, that if you want to go fight war, pick up a rifle, we'll give you a rifle, we'll give you whatever, a machine gun. | |
| And you go to the war zones. | |
| And that way you can see what war really is. | |
| You can see what happens to the people you're sending, how you devastate their families, how you devastate and destroy these countries, how you kill huge numbers of civilians. | |
| It looks a lot different when you go and fight it than when you're sitting in your think tank or your ornate office in Washington, treating it like a little chessboard, a little game. | |
| And I'm glad Trump said that. | |
| I hope he keeps saying it. | |
| It's absolutely true about Liz Cheney and all of these types of people who are now the main surrogate for Kamala Harris' campaign. | |
| But I'm also glad the media reacted as they did because every time they do this, I think the tiny little bit of credibility they have left dissipates even further. | |
| They're just outright liars. | |
| And it's amazing. | |
| It's not like in passing. | |
| They made the whole day about this with graphics on the screen and all kinds of pronouncements and Kamala Harris saying this makes them unqualified and Liz Cheney saying, yeah, he wants to kill me. | |
| This is what dictators do. | |
| They kill their political opponent. | |
| They invented this out of whole cloth. | |
| Obviously, you know, in 2020, in the week heading up to the election, they did the same thing. | |
| There was reporting on the Biden family that could have been incriminating about Joe Biden and his attempts to profiteer in China and Ukraine. | |
| And they invented a lie then, too, that this was Russian disinformation when, in fact, the documents were authentic all along. | |
| In 2016 is when they concocted the Russiagate fraud that Bob Mueller was unleashed for 18 months in order to find evidence for. | |
| And he came back and he said we couldn't find it. | |
| So the media just, they're absolutely willing to sacrifice whatever tiny little credibility they have left in pursuit of their only real goal, which is to ensure that the Democratic Party's candidate wins the election and the Republican candidate Donald Trump and his movement are defeated. | |
| That's all they care about. | |
| They're pure political actors and they will absolutely flagrantly lie deliberately in order to accomplish that. | |
| and they showed that yet again today in one of the most vivid expressions in a long time. | |
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| Darren Beatty is a political scientist at Duke University where he got his PhD. | |
| He was also a speechwriter in the Trump White House. | |
| He has done some of the most important reporting over the last five years, six years or so, particularly focused on things like January 6th and a lot of the fraud surrounding it. | |
| He's been on our show many times. | |
| He's always a very compelling guest. | |
| And we want to talk to him about several things, including the upcoming election, but also something we've been wanting to cover for a long time, which is the U.S.-supported coup in Pakistan that Darren has been covering quite extensively, including interviewing the now-imprisoned elected populist leader, Imran Khan, that the CIA including interviewing the now-imprisoned elected populist leader, Imran Khan, that the CIA helped to overthrow for reasons that have a lot to do with the interests of the CIA but not the people Darren, it's great to see you as always. | |
| Good to talk to you. | |
| Thanks for coming on. | |
| Thrilled to be back with you, Glenn. | |
| Thank you. | |
| All right. | |
| So unfortunately, before we get to Pakistan, we actually do have to talk about this election because you can't not talk about it with it being four days away. | |
| And you were in the Trump White House, so I do think that gives you some Extra particular insight that I'm eager to hear. | |
| Instead of directing you to one particular topic, I'm just curious what you make in general about how this election has gone thus far and what you expect to see over the next few days. | |
| Well, I mean, there's a lot of things to say as for any kind of prediction. | |
| I mean, I'm a boring guy in that respect. | |
| It's somewhat of an anti-prediction. | |
| I think it could go either way. | |
| Obviously, it's a trite to say, but it's about turnout. | |
| So those of us who want Trump to win, go. | |
| And if you don't want Trump to win, maybe you could stay home. | |
| But it is a turnout issue at this point. | |
| And I think it could go either way. | |
| Anyone who's confident, I think, in either direction is delusional and either overly optimistic or overly pessimistic, depending on the perspective. | |
| As for some of the meta narratives surrounding the election, I think it's interesting to see how Trump, in some key respects, has become I think, | |
| unlike 2020 and unlike 2016, there is no longer a full-spectrum regime consensus that Trump poses an existential threat, and I think that helps him in some ways. | |
| There is still a faction of the regime that is terrified of prospect of his presidency, and I think the terror is chiefly but not exclusively focused on Trump's peace candidacy. | |
| I don't want to get too conspiratorial. | |
| I think it's interesting that one of the two known would-be assassins, and it's amazing that there's two. | |
| One of the two would-be assassins was a Ukraine war fanatic who actually has an interesting biography of recruiting people. | |
| People to fight in Ukraine and recruiting from interesting demographic groups that seem to have a documented relationship with the US government and intelligence group. | |
| He's literally recruiting from the vaunted Sunni rebels in Syria to go fight in Ukraine. | |
| It's like a CIA bingo card that he just won. | |
| It's kind of incredible. | |
| And Afghanistan, too. | |
| Some of the trained U.S. troops in Afghanistan. | |
| It's really wild. | |
| And so I think it's fair to say that that specific sort of Ukraine-focused component, they're terrified. | |
| People who want big wars all over the place, including Liz Cheney, They're terrified of a Trump presidency. | |
| But again, there have been some major defections, major realignments. | |
| RFK is a great example. | |
| Elon Musk himself is a great example. | |
| So the constellation is a little bit different. | |
| 2020 was the high-water mark, for instance, of censorship. | |
| Due to Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter, revelations in the Twitter files, and various other factors, we have much less censorship. | |
| And so the regime's tactics have shifted accordingly. | |
| We've moved from, I think, in 2016, the big weapon of the regime was social opprobrium, The social sanctions attendant to words like racist and so forth, getting people fired from their jobs for that, even for wearing a Trump hat, you could get fired from your job. | |
| That was 2016. | |
| 2020 was obviously COVID, but censorship, deplatforming, the disinformation pretext, that was a huge part of it. | |
| With that kind of attenuated to a significant degree, in our cycle here, I think you saw the regime really inordinately counted on the efficacy of lawfare tactics and imprisonment. | |
| You can't de-platform Trump off Twitter anymore, but you can throw him in prison, or at least you can indict him. | |
| And of course, there's the ultimate De-platforming, which we saw and we came very close to this, which is the assassination attempts, particularly in Butler, where I think a lot of people forget, but the timing is critical to note. | |
| There have been so many rallies with nothing remotely close to this, and yet at this one rally where there is a flagrant to the point of being inconceivable security breach, That's the one time that a guy was there to take advantage of it. | |
| And it was this kid with a rifle who got on a building 130 yards, 130 yards away. | |
| And this just happened to happen in that critical period after Biden's disastrous debate performance. | |
| And this is important before Trump announced his VP pick. | |
| been successful, there would be no anointed success for named by Trump. | |
| And it's very likely that the regime would have had this kind of promoted Nikki Haley or someone like that as a consensus candidate. | |
| And they would be very glad to have Biden lose to Nikki Haley or Kamala lose to Nikki Haley. | |
| And that would have been the story right now. | |
| So we've come so close and the regime's tactics have shifted. | |
| And so in one way, there's a normalization. | |
| But in another way, it's crazy to think that Trump had not one but two very close assassination attempts on his life. | |
| And at least for one of those, there's a non-negligible chance, there's a real chance that that involved elements of the government or it was somehow an inside job. | |
| So in that respect, it's very crazy. | |
| But in other respects, I think it's fair to say that He's become more normalized, and that's, I think, an interesting feature of this campaign cycle as opposed to 2020 and 2016. | |
| I know a lot of people would say in response to that when he called Trump the peace candidate that there were things he did in his administration that were not... | |
| That were pretty provocative or even militaristic, such as sending lethal arms to Ukraine, where even President Obama refused to do that because of how provocative it would be to Russia at the time when they were calling him a Russian agent. | |
| He escalated the bombing campaign that he inherited from President Obama in Iraq and Syria against ISIS, though he vowed to do that during his campaign, and on and on and on. | |
| But clearly, a lot of Donald Trump's identity, including since 2016, has been about Spewing contempt on the longtime Republican foreign policy orthodoxy of Bush and Cheney and neocons. | |
| And he's intensified that rhetoric. | |
| And he's certainly far less reliable as a vessel for this bipartisan consensus of Washington than Kamala Harris is. | |
| You know she will just change absolutely nothing in the status quo. | |
| So let me just ask you one more question about this because you were comparing 2016 and 2020. | |
| I mean, I don't know how much you heard, but I obviously am somebody who holds the media in as low contempt as possible. | |
| I have a great deal of contempt and disgust for them. | |
| And I sometimes am shocked when they find a way to surprise me just in how scummy. | |
| They're willing to be. | |
| And of course, they spent the day claiming that Donald Trump's criticism of neocons and Liz Cheney for not going to the wards they want to fight in was somehow a call for her execution by firing. | |
| I mean, I can't get through the explanation without laughing because of how stupid it is. | |
| But they spent the whole day doing that. | |
| And they've had a lot of these kind of like mini cycles based on just utter insane melodrama and lies. | |
| How would you compare... | |
| to stop Trump in 2024 by these establishment sectors to what they did say in 2016, primarily with the Russiagate frauds, and in 2020 with all these talks. | |
| I mean, it is true, Democrats were explicit that their goal in 2024 was to keep was to convict Donald Trump of crimes and imprison him because that's what they would believe that's what they believed would impede him from winning. | |
| Oh, not even the American public will vote for Trump if he's actually a convicted criminal and in prison. | |
| They failed in that, they could only get a conviction in that one little dumb case in Manhattan that no one cared about. | |
| So how do you compare since then the kind of extents to which they've been willing to go to stop him as compared to 2020 and 2016? | |
| Well, I mean, it's kind of what I suggested earlier is I think in the broader sense, their capabilities are limited. | |
| They don't have the censorship tools, or at least they're not able to censor as effectively now, chiefly because of Twitter being in new hands. | |
| And so there's a very robust and significant communications vehicle that allows for The pro-Trump viewpoint without censorship or without significant censorship. | |
| So that's a very big deal. | |
| That's why I call 2020 kind of the high-water mark of censorship and deplatforming and sort of even the cache of the term disinformation, I think, has diminished considerably. | |
| And in 2016, it was all about, you know, it was so fresh and new and shocking, and to people like me, absolutely refreshing to see, but it was, the regime was freaking out, and there was still a lot of efficacy to just the social and reputational sanctions attendant to, oh, he's supporting Trump, he's a racist, this is dangerous, people could easily get fired, and so... | |
| Those terms lost a lot of their weight as a result of overuse, as a result of Trump's success, winning 2016, as a result of the media kind of just doing it too broadly, so calling pretty much everyone or over half the country that. | |
| It makes these terms lose meaning. | |
| And so they're The go-to terms of opprobrium lost their effect. | |
| The deplatforming lost their effect. | |
| And they thought that the lawfare tactics, they thought this term like felon would be a big deal when it's really not. | |
| And so they really put all of their eggs in this lawfare thing. | |
| And then, of course, there's this very important caveat of assassination attempts. | |
| And I think there is a non-negligible chance that this was some element of the regime or done with some element. | |
| But that's so specific and targeted, that's not a broad-scale thing. | |
| That could be some kind of rogue and crazy organization or network within the deep state or something like that. | |
| That's not some kind of scalable approach that they can apply to the Trump electorate more broadly. | |
| So I think that's obviously extremely intense, a major escalation in one way, but in another way, But in another way, they had to do that because all of these really effective tools that they used to have at their disposal have lost a lot of their efficacy. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I think we really don't spend enough time thinking about the fact that Trump came about five millimeters away due solely to an arbitrary, at the moment, head turn of having its head blown off and then came very close again on that head turn of having its head blown off and then came very And it's amazing to watch them accuse Trump of spewing violent rhetoric and provoking violence when he and not anyone in the Democratic Party has been targeted with that kind of violence himself. | |
| All right, let's move to Pakistan because it's something I've been wanting to talk to you about. | |
| Just a really quick point. | |
| Yeah, go ahead. | |
| On this, because I watched the clip that you had on the Barry Weiss thing. | |
| I think it's absolutely appropriate, and it makes these neoconservatives who are so enthusiastic about war. | |
| It makes their conduct and character more shameful. | |
| The fact that they've never served in a war, they've never put their life on the line, and I think they would all cower in disgrace if they were put in any kind of position like that. | |
| So it makes... | |
| Their behavior and their advocacy for needless war makes that so much more shameful. | |
| But I do have to kind of qualify the absolutely justified criticism of these types and say that simply to have served in a war should not be enough to kind of Um, legitimize one opinion because on the other side, you have the regime trotting out these people like Dan Crenshaw or picking up these like G.I. Joe types from the Navy SEALs. | |
| And if actually you look at the track record of military people turned politician, um, they're not all that better when it comes to the foreign policy that they actually advocate. | |
| They might be more Noble in terms or congruent in terms of they've actually put themselves on the line, which is admirable from a kind of service point of view. | |
| But you do have this sort of phenomenon of the other side of the regime trotting out the Dan Crenshaw, G.I. Joe type to say, hey, guys, don't want a Democratic nominee for in the Senate for Arizona, who is has the same views as Dan Crenshaw on wars and foreign policy. | |
| And fought in the Marines. | |
| Exactly. | |
| Yeah, no, I think it's a good point. | |
| I mean, there are a lot of members of the military who come back from war and become more anti-war than almost anybody, precisely because they have seen... | |
| Well, there's the Tulsi Gabbards. | |
| Tulsi Gabbard, for example. | |
| But I think a lot of them who enter politics, Do so based on their combat record and become automatically sort of very pro-war, although you also have someone like Joe Kent, who was almost elected in the state of Washington, might be again this year, whose wife was killed in Syria as part of the CIA, who fought in wars and has become, you know, very anti-war from a populist perspective. | |
| All right, let's get to Pakistan because it's something I've been wanting to talk about. | |
| Just for those people who don't know, Imran Khan was this and is this major celebrity, a beloved national figure in Pakistan because he was a huge star in cricket. | |
| The government of Pakistan has always been very important to the United States. | |
| It's a nuclear-armed power. | |
| It's obviously in that region with Afghanistan. | |
| We've cared a lot about who runs that government. | |
| We usually can control them or at least, like, We have, you know, pretty close relations with them. | |
| And then suddenly Imran Khan ran for president. | |
| The country had an outpouring of love and elected him. | |
| And part of what he was doing was declaring independence from the West, from the United States. | |
| And suddenly he gets charged with lawfare and convicted and removed from the presidency and put in prison. | |
| And two of my former colleagues at The Intercept, Murtaza Hussain and Ryan Graham, were actually the ones who broke the story based on leaked documents that the CIA gave the green light to and even encouraged the Pakistanis to remove and then imprison him. | |
| In other words, to implement a coup, got very little attention. | |
| It was done under the Biden administration. | |
| But I didn't know until recently that this was something that you were so interested in. | |
| I do remember that when I thought about it that you did interview Imran Khan and you made very clear your kind of admiration for him at the time. | |
| This was when he was under house arrest before he went to prison. | |
| But tell us what we should know about this and why this has become so interesting to you. | |
| Well, it's a fascinating and very important story with a lot of critical interlinkages to our own situation in the United States. | |
| And, you know, it's kind of remarkable. | |
| My interview with Prime Minister Khan, that was the last Western interview, I believe, before he was imprisoned. | |
| And his story is a remarkable one. | |
| You know, by introduction to the interview, I say, kind of tee it up by saying, okay, he was an 80s playboy and celebrity who left all of the glamour and fame to a, you know, brutal and difficult life in politics, where he challenged... | |
| Two of the most established and corrupt political families in his country. | |
| He won in an astonishing populist upset, but the deep state of his regime and the military-industrial complex and intelligence community still hated him, did everything they could to get rid of him, and ultimately he was put out. | |
| And it's If you hear that, initially you're going to think, is he talking about Donald Trump? | |
| But no, it's the story of Khan that has a lot of remarkable parallels. | |
| And he is absolutely a beloved figure. | |
| He was pro-Trump. | |
| The story is... | |
| The story gets really, there's a lot of interesting intrigue here, because the thing that you mentioned of your former colleagues at The Intercept, who did a great job on this, there was this so-called cipher, this encrypted diplomatic cable whereby shortly after Khan, | |
| who had a little visit to Russia that inconveniently coincided with Russia's invasion, but he didn't know this, this was a pre-planned trip, and that kind of became a pretext for The U.S. State Department to say, hey, it would be really great, you know, if you got rid of him reading between the lines, something to that effect. | |
| And literally the next day there was a no confidence vote. | |
| He was ousted. | |
| And then based on his defiance to the regime, he was not only ousted, but much like Trump, Buried in an avalanche of politically motivated charges. | |
| And unlike Trump, thankfully, he was imprisoned. | |
| He's in prison now. | |
| And part of the urgency of talking about this is that his situation has deteriorated dramatically. | |
| And it's very possible that he could even die in the coming months of something Isn't done. | |
| In my view, he is, you know, next to Assange, who thankfully is now a free man. | |
| This is now the number one political prisoner that we should be concerned about. | |
| And, you know, the other part of the story that's sort of beyond the parallels with Trump is that he has a lot of the same enemies as Trump does. | |
| One thing that I've reported on is that The sort of hidden hand behind his ouster was a woman that I think you and a lot of your viewers are familiar with, someone called Victoria Nuland, who is a nefarious figure, one of the premier architects of color revolution and regime change operations overseas. | |
| She was instrumental, for instance, in the You're my Don and a lot of the operations in Ukraine and other Eastern European countries. | |
| She's deeply connected with that Atlanticist Russia obsessed faction of the intelligence community that is particularly incensed and combative with Trump. | |
| She is speaking of the neocons. | |
| Her husband Who recently resigned in disgrace from the Washington Post. | |
| He was pissed off because Bezos dared to say, okay, we're not going to endorse Kamala this time. | |
| And so he resigned in protest. | |
| Her husband, Robert Kagan, was one of the architects of the Iraq War. | |
| And Imran Khan, before all of this, was very well known as one of the most effective and vocal Critics of the Iraq War. | |
| And it just so happens that one of the Iraq War's architects' wives is behind his ouster and ultimate imprisonment. | |
| And of course, Trump, in one of his earlier policy statements, called out Newland and her nefarious activities By name. | |
| And Newland herself actually resigned in disgrace within the past few months because Biden refused her key promotion that she was counting on. | |
| So it's a very interesting connections here. | |
| A lot of the same Russia obsessives, the Atlanticists, the color revolution operative, the very people like Victoria Newland, We're absolutely key to ousting this pro-Trump. | |
| He got along with Trump. | |
| Great. | |
| Pro-Trump leader was a populist leader who has already kind of has aggravated the military industrial establishment of Pakistan, which that's a whole other story. | |
| But the intelligence community of Pakistan is very much connected with our sort of neoconservative establishment because we basically built them up tremendously in the immediate aftermath of 9-11 because of all of the Taliban stuff going on. | |
| Of course, the Taliban are back to controlling Afghanistan. | |
| So a lot of good that did us. | |
| But that's a short bit of the history. | |
| Yeah, and bin Laden was hiding pretty securely in Pakistan when we found him near a military base. | |
| But in any event, Darren, I'd love to have you back on and talk about this a lot more once this election is over. | |
| You know how it is when there's an election approaching. | |
| There's not a lot of space to talk about things not directly related to the election. | |
| Although you make a very good case, one I hadn't previously realized that the situation in Pakistan with Enron Khan is actually quite relevant to the treatment and reaction to Trump here in the United States. | |
| So I'd love to explore that more with you in detail. | |
| Once this election is done, we have the space to do it. | |
| I really appreciate your time and coming on. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| Great to be with you. | |
| - Yeah, good to see you. | |
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| One of the remarkable things about establishment liberalism in the United States is that they love to claim that they speak for marginalized people, for minorities, for traditionally discriminated against groups of people. | |
| And yet, every time it comes to any sort of deviance from their orders by these groups that they believe they own, own, you see some of the worst rhetoric imaginable being spewed by the Democratic Party and American liberals because of how angry they are that these people aren't doing what they're told and instead are thinking for themselves. | |
| We just saw Barack Obama, for example, talking about why so many black men are voting for Donald Trump or reluctant to vote for Kamala Harris. | |
| And he said it's not because they have any substantive views. | |
| It's because they are misogynist. | |
| They've never learned to respect women. | |
| There was a New York Times article suggesting that Trump has contaminated black people with anger toward immigration, so they can't think for themselves. | |
| The reason they're abandoning the Democratic Party and going to the Republican Party isn't because they have the same concerns as everybody else about the economy or security in our streets or anything like that or social issues. | |
| No, it's because they can't think for themselves. | |
| You see this just underlying... | |
| Very kind of toxic condescension about how members of minority groups really think the minute they step out of line. | |
| There's a commercial that the Kamala Harris campaign is running directed at women to try and convince them That even if their husband is voting for Donald Trump, they should lie to their husband about who they intend to vote for, but go into the voting booth and secretly conceal that they're voting for Kamala Harris and then come out and lie to their husband again. | |
| Here's this ad that really says a lot about how these sort of elite urbanites in New York and Washington who create these kind of ads, how they think about Your turn, honey. | |
| In the one place in America where women still have a right to choose. | |
| You can vote any way you want. | |
| and no one will ever know. | |
| Did you make the right choice? | |
| Sure did, honey. | |
| Remember, what happens in the booth stays in the booth. | |
| Vote Harris-Waltz. | |
| Vote Common Good is responsible for the contents of this ad. | |
| I mean, have any of these people ever been in a marriage? | |
| The idea that there are all these women who are terrorized by their husbands, who feel threatened to vote the way their husbands tell them to, to the point that they actually have to lie to their own husbands. | |
| This ad is encouraging them to lie to their own husbands, go in and vote in a way that's different than how their husband votes and how they told their husband they're going to vote and then come out of the booth and lie again. | |
| Because the only way they can avoid being beaten if they vote for the candidate that they want is by lying to their husband. | |
| What kind of sick, twisted views do these people have about how marriage functions? | |
| The only place women have a choice now in the United States is in the voting booth. | |
| But you see how they really think about women, that women are obedient to their husbands, that they're scared of their husbands, that they do what their husbands tell them to do, they think the way their husbands tell them to think, and then therefore need an ad that gives them permission to To lie within their marriage to their own husband about who they vote for as if they can't say, you know what, I don't agree with you, I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris. | |
| And that is consistent the minute you see a gay person or a non-white person Or a woman, members of any of these groups that Democrats believe they own and are entitled to their obedience, you start to see a tsunami of bigotry and condescension and just patronizing views that are all hidden very close to the surface. | |
| Very thinly disguised in how liberals really think is they pretend that they're the only spokespeople for the only ones who care about all these people and they do care about them and are their spokespeople as long as they do what they're told and vote Democrat. | |
| But the second they don't, you see a sort of contempt and hatred unlike you will ever see. | |
| Speaking of which, There's this article in Slate, which, as I know, it may surprise you to learn, does actually still exist. | |
| I was surprised, too, actually, when I read this article. | |
| But it sort of made the rounds among liberal pundits. | |
| And it's talking about this liberal feminist discourse that has arisen, basically calling on J.D. Vance's wife, Usha Vance, to leave him, to divorce him, Even though they have two or three, I believe, small children that they're raising together, and by all appearances, they seem to have a long-term happy marriage. | |
| But a lot of liberal feminists were saying, why doesn't she leave him? | |
| She should leave him. | |
| He's Trump's running mate. | |
| Why would a non-white woman, a brown woman, want to possibly be married to a white conservative, fascist, racist? | |
| What kind of sick people encourage spouses to leave their spouse over political differences? | |
| I mean, part of what makes marriage interesting is that there are differences. | |
| You don't always see things the way that your partner or spouse see them, and that's part of what makes marriage interesting, is that you have somebody to whom you're devoted and to whom you're linked forever based on love, but obviously there's discussions and debates and differences. | |
| And the idea of just encouraging any marriage to break up, encouraging a woman to leave her husband because he has political views that liberal white feminists dislike is repulsive. | |
| So this article is intended to address that question, why isn't Usha Vance leaving her husband? | |
| And the author of this article herself is a woman of Indian descent, so I suppose she feels like she has license to just spew whatever is on her mind, and what came out of her mind is truly remarkable, but not really, because I know it's how liberals think. | |
| So the title of it is Usha Vance Isn't That Complicated. | |
| Attempts to understand her politics miss what is already playing. | |
| So here's how this article goes about J.D. Vance and his wife and their marriage. | |
| Quote, I was all for representation in politics until I had to think this much about a white guy's wife. | |
| But here we are, a week in change away from yet another most important election in American history, again wondering out loud about J.D. Vance's wife, Usha Vance. | |
| This is a criticism. | |
| This is meant to be a criticism. | |
| Look at what she says. | |
| Her allegiances are not to her race or her gender or the community she was born into. | |
| They're to her husband. | |
| That's supposed to be bad that you don't have allegiances politically in how you live your life based on your race or your gender or the community into which she was born, meaning Hindus and people of India ascent. | |
| She says, instead, her allegiances are to her husband. | |
| And that's an agreement women have been making since the advent of the marriage license. | |
| For political wives, that deal is often even more explicit. | |
| Vance is opting for a less bombastic version of what First and Second Ladies have done election after election. | |
| Her quietude does not make her enigmatic. | |
| It is perhaps time to say the ugly part out loud. | |
| We would not be so mystified by Vance's loud or quiet co-sign of her husband were she white. | |
| It's her identity and her experiences, brown, educated, lawyer, first generation, that puzzle people when they realize that she's probably more aligned with her husband than we understand. | |
| Were we talking about, say, Sally Vance, fellow Appalachian bootstrapper puller, there would be less confusion over what she has very clearly demonstrated through her relationship. | |
| What white voters, conservative and liberals alike, seem to forget is the long tail of the model minority myth, one that many in the South Asian diaspora have aligned themselves with for decades, from Dinesh D'Souza to Nikki Haley to Vivek Ramaswamy to your loser cousin who's convinced he got into Georgetown because he's smarter than everyone else and not because of affirmative action. | |
| There are endless examples in our public lexicon. | |
| We're the good brown people, the ones you don't need to be afraid of. | |
| In an attempt to keep our ears above racist waters, South Asians have sometimes associated with our own oppressors. | |
| Do you see what she said there? | |
| She's explaining why a brown woman, an educated woman, would ever marry a white conservative like J.D. Vance or stay with him. | |
| Why would you do that? | |
| And her explanation is that People like her, South Asians, people like Usha Vance, sometimes come to be associated with our own oppressors, meaning white people. | |
| I'm not really sure how white Americans from the Appalachians have suppressed or oppressed South Asians. | |
| I'm not sure how they're doing that now. | |
| They seem to be doing pretty well in the United States. | |
| But she's basically saying that Usha Vance is mentally ill, that she has some sort of weird, creepy identity with white oppressors, and that's why she fell in love with and stays with J.D. Vance. | |
| She continues, that's true of many minority groups. | |
| Well, when it is multiplied by the sometimes unspoken requirements of marriage, very Tammy Wynette, very Stand By Your Man, it creates a vortex impossible to escape. | |
| And it goes on very much in that vein. | |
| Now, think about what they're saying here. | |
| She's saying that the reason Usha Vance doesn't denounce her husband publicly or doesn't divorce him and instead stays quiet is because she's just an obedient woman and capable of making her own decisions. | |
| She just does what she's told by her husband. | |
| It's a very similar premise to what that Kamala Harris ad is based on, that we know you do what your husband tells you to. | |
| You can't think for yourself, but we're giving you permission. | |
| Go into the booth and just lie to your husband. | |
| But here the idea is not only that, this very condescending, patronizing view of women, that they're weak, that they have no... | |
| Capability to think for themselves but also this racial component that Usa Vance is a bad person because she has no allegiance to her own race and as a result has developed this sick internalized self-hatred and a romantic or sexual attraction to her own white oppressors. | |
| This is a really twisted sick thing to say about the marriage of two people whom you don't know. | |
| But it's all over the discourse. | |
| And again, the reason why Usha Vance has to be punished is because she's a non-white person. | |
| That's what the article says. | |
| She's non-white and therefore we own her. | |
| We expect her to do what she's told, to be a liberal woman and vote for Kamala Harris, not to stand by her white oppressor, J.D. Vance. | |
| And you know, just in general, it also suggests that Usha Vance herself is a conservative. | |
| She actually clerked for two different conservative Supreme Court justices. | |
| It also claims that the reason she's with J.D. Vance and won't leave him is because even though she's accomplished as a white man, J.D. Vance has a certain kind of privilege that is totally inaccessible to her. | |
| Yeah, I know the United States is a completely closed-off place for a non-white woman who graduated Yale Law School, clerked for two different Supreme Court justices. | |
| She absolutely needs J.D. Vance to be something in life or to advance at all. | |
| But these are really sick ways of thinking about marriage. | |
| But I think the sickest thing of all is, even if Usha Vance was a liberal, The idea that at her husband's most important moment in his life and in his career, she's supposed to sabotage him, she's supposed to stand up and denounce him and leave him and divorce him, | |
| because as a brown woman she shouldn't be with a white conservative supporting a movement like that, I could never imagine encouraging people whom I do not know, or even who I do know, Telling them that they have an obligation to divorce and leave their spouse or publicly denounce them. | |
| I mean, I have a little experience with that. | |
| My husband of 20 years was a politician elected to the Rio de Janeiro City Council and then to the U.S. Congress, or to the Brazilian Congress, rather. | |
| And I was, as a journalist, would often say things that didn't align with the interests of her party and his party, and we would hear that all the time. | |
| Like, why would... | |
| Dave and Rand to stay with him when he has these views. | |
| Why doesn't he denounce him? | |
| I mean, that doesn't happen in marriage. | |
| You don't sabotage your spouse, the person that you're in love with, that you're building your life together. | |
| It's okay to have political differences. | |
| But these people are so sick in their inability to see the world through any framework other than race and gender and just dividing people into these little groups to the point that they suggest there's something wrong with Usha Vance for staying married to a white man. | |
| But they're also just so embittered. | |
| I don't believe that any of these people have ever had any sort of loving, romantic relationship because if they did, they would never think this way. | |
| That people should divorce their spouse the minute they have political disagreements or sabotage them and publicly denounce them? | |
| Who thinks this way? | |
| But people who are just completely suffused in and drowning in This kind of political framework is just always dividing people into these little groups and telling them who they have to be and what they have to do and how they have to think based on these subgroups that they've all pushed them into. | |
| These are the people who claim that they're opposed to racial divisiveness when that's all they do is spread it. | |
| To the point where they even criticize a brown woman for being married to a white man and demand that he divorce her and if she doesn't, accuse her of being a self-hating woman who has come to develop an unhealthy affinity for her white oppressor. | |
| These are people they've never met, they don't even know. | |
| It takes a very rotted mind, a very rotted soul to speak about people this way, to think about people this way, to talk about them this way. | |
| And yet it is so ingrained in liberal culture. | |
| And the irony, of course, is they believe they're so enlightened. | |
| They believe they're free of all sorts of bigotry and discriminatory thought. | |
| And every single time, every single time... | |
| A person in one of these so-called marginalized groups that Democrats believe they own steps out of line. | |
| This is a sort of disgusting bigotry and just toxic hatred that you see spewing forth in a completely undisguised way. | |
| Every single time, ask any person in any of these groups who has ever debated from Democratic Party politics or American liberalism what their experience is, and they will tell you that it's exactly the sort of thing that's embedded in that Kamalad and also in this conversation. | |
| Remarkably toxic and grotesque article that was published by Slate. | |
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