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Oct. 3, 2015 - GabCast Bellgab.com
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03 October, 2015

03 October, 2015 ---------- News guy Leo Ashcraft departs Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert in a huff, and we talk about it.

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Hi, everybody.
It's really a strange thing how, as soon as I turn my mic on and we're actually doing the show, we talked before the show for like 30 minutes here.
And the second we're actually doing the show, it sounds to me like my voice is coming through only the left channel.
I don't know why.
Everything was fine until we started actually doing the show.
Who cares?
I'll be okay.
If you'd like to be on the show, the number to call tonight is going to be 623-242-CAST.
That is 623-242-2278.
That is going to...
Oh, I see why.
See what happens?
Hold on.
I got a sticky button.
You see what happens when you take a Behringer mixer and you put it on top of a refrigerator for a year?
You know, the dust, it works its way down into those little buttons.
And the next thing you know, you're only coming out of the left channel of your headset.
And so you got to sit there and just randomly start pushing buttons up and down until it's fixed.
It'll be okay.
I had to replace the capacitors and the power supply inside this mixer that I'm using here.
And it sounds amazing now.
It was such a horrible...
I was getting all kinds of distortion out of this thing.
No matter what I did, finally, I decided to tear it down, take a look inside, and lo and behold, the power supply just had these three capacitors just exploding like mushroom clouds of destruction.
So I replaced them, and all is fine.
That is the electronic brilliance that is me.
I'm Michael Vedeven.
Thanks for listening tonight.
Again, this is the Gabcast.
It's a show about BellGab.com.
It's a little internet radio show about a forum, which is about a show.
How about that?
And tonight on the show, we have Star Mountain from Bellgab.
Hi, Star Mountain.
Hi.
She's doing the same thing.
She's coming through on just my left headset channel.
Say something else again, Star Mountain, please.
Hello.
Okay, now you're fine.
Now you're fine.
Aldous Burbank is here.
Hi, Aldous.
Hey, reporting for duty.
He is reporting for duty, and he is dutying at this moment.
He's dutying the way we would all expect him to do in the course of doing his duty.
And we want to thank all of you for listening.
I have to confess, you know, I know there's a lot of serious business to be discussed, but, you know, it's a Saturday night, and I'm just sort of here hanging out, having a few drinks, having a good time.
So I know there's all sorts of serious business to be conducted, but I got to tell you, you know, it's nice just to hang out and have a couple of drinks and not really give a whole lot of a crap.
You know what I'm saying?
So don't hold that against me.
Who would begrudge a man a couple of drinks on a Saturday night?
That's what I have to ask.
Who would begrudge a man that?
I think none of you listening right now.
At least that's what I suspect.
So, Star Mountain, I mean, did you ever think you'd be in a circumstance?
I heard that Art Bell is in the chat room right now.
Did you think that you would ever be in a circumstance where Art Bell is listening to you do a radio show?
Well, not like this.
Well, I did receive.
I did receive written communications tonight that Art is in fact specifically listening only to hear you, and he prefers not to be displeased.
I just want to tell you that.
That doesn't make me nervous.
And again, if you want to be on the show tonight, I'm sorry, the number to call is 623-242-CAST.
That is 623-242-2278.
And you know something that kind of went by, and I'm glad you brought this up prior to the broadcast, Aldous.
Belgab passed 500,000, half a million posts just a few days ago.
Isn't that just insanity?
Who would have thought that that would be what the future held?
Who would have thought that?
I not for one moment would have thought that.
And not only that, I mean, at this point, I think we're at like, what, 512?
I mean, it just keeps climbing.
It's insane.
I was going to ask you, what is Black and White has flies and over a half a million hit and is red all over?
Hit me.
What is it?
Belgab read all over the world.
Half a million posts.
How many hits does that translate to?
Did we know?
Well, you know, the term hits is sort of deceptive because it can really be defined in a lot of ways.
Yeah, it meant something else in the 60s when I was a kid.
Aldous, please, the drug references.
They're children.
What are you doing?
So that's really, that's really something 510,000 right now.
That was just a couple of days ago.
We passed half a million.
So to all of you out there in Belgab land using the forum, thank you.
The AdSense revenue has been marvelous.
You have no idea how many diapers have been purchased as a result of your patronage.
So thank you to all of you.
And I'll bet you this, over the course of the next 12 months, I did the math a couple of nights ago, and I think it came out to something on the order of if things stayed at their current trajectory, we would over the course of the next 12 months have something like an additional 380, 370,000, 380,000 posts.
I mean, it's just crazy.
Do you know what your membership is now?
It's not my membership, Star Mountain.
Oh, it's not.
Well, let's see.
There are 3,531 members.
Yes.
That's pretty interesting.
And so, you know what?
My expander gate is set to either.
Let me turn that down.
I think it's cutting off some of what I say.
So yeah, thanks to everybody for using the forum.
That's great.
And you know what's weird is most forums that have 510,000 posts have way more than 3,500 members.
It seems to me.
That's a rather low number of people who've actually signed up for user accounts.
It seems to me.
Aldous, your background noise is just not conducive to doing a radio show.
I'm sorry.
I will be moving into the inner sanctum.
Yeah, that's like, I mean, if we are looking for a sound effects guy, but I'm not sure that the implementation tonight is necessarily what we had in mind.
I'm just putting that out there.
So yeah, thanks to everybody for using the forum.
That's really just crazy talk, half a million posts.
I used to look at other forums that had, you know, 100,000 or 200,000 posts and think, wow, that's a lot.
No, it's really not.
And it's more easily done than you would think.
So anyway, last night on Art Bell's little radio show, his little internet show, I think as George Norrie supposedly referred to it, Midnight in the Desert, which can be heard.
Well, the easiest way to send you there is to just say, go visit artbell.com.
But I suspect if you're listening to me right now, you already know that.
You didn't need instruction or direction in order to be able to hear the show.
Last night on the show, Art Bell started out.
I was going to play it in its entirety because I have been told, as we all know, Leo Ashcraft, the guy who does dark matter news at the top of each.
It's at the top of each hour, right?
Hello, do I have you guys?
Are you hearing me?
I think it's at the bottom.
At the bottom and near top of the hour or some such.
Okay.
Well, either way, it happens, we believe, at least hourly, I guess.
He does this paranormal news.
And last night, he kind of went berserk on Facebook and probably elsewhere making a bunch of claims with regard to his tenure working with art and with Keith Rowland.
But it is my understanding that none of Leo Ashcraft's explosive revelations occurred until after Art Bell said the following last night.
Drama, drama, drama.
It looks like this will be the last show tonight for Leo Ashcraft.
Now, I wasn't going to talk about this tonight because, but I have no choice because Leo is posting on Facebook and all over about it.
I'm getting messages.
Let's see, what am I getting?
For example, here's one.
Email.
Please save Dark Matter News.
It's a great add-on to your show.
Thank you.
From Inpur?
In Pu, I guess it is.
Anyway, like that.
Lots of messages like that.
So I have no choice but to do what I always do and come to all of you and talk about what's happened.
So here it is.
Last night when I went on the air, some of you may have noticed that I was a little distracted.
Well, I was.
Leo and Keith were in this giant battle, hanging up on each other, that kind of deal.
And I was in the middle of it, you know, trying to arbitrate.
And this has been going on for a long time, and I've been in the middle trying to arbitrate.
Well, trying to arbitrate just before the show is really a soul-sucking experience.
And so if I sounded distracted, that's why.
Today got worse.
Today, I woke up with a call from Heather Wade, my producer.
Boy, what a job she does.
And she told me that Amy Martin, who is our newswriter, that's right, she writes most of the news, actually, and may soon be doing it, had told her that Leo had received an offer from coast to coast.
Oh, those people.
A big money offer.
And he was going to go.
And he asked her to go with him.
Wanted Amy to go with him.
She said, oh, no.
No, no, no, no.
I am loyal to art, and that's not going to happen.
So finally, late in the day, I sent Leo an email and said, hey, you know, man up and talk to me because I had left a message while he wasn't there.
So he said, okay, you can call me now.
I called him and he confirmed to me that indeed he had, it was true, he had had two offers from producers over at Coast, hadn't accepted yet, but was quitting anyway because he was angry with Keith.
He couldn't do it anymore.
He said, just no matter what, couldn't get along with Keith.
So that's what he says.
The reason is.
So today has been indeed another day of drama.
Basically, you know, he's putting posts up, Leo is now, on his Facebook saying that it's either me or Keith.
Me or Keith.
Keith and I have been together now for decades.
That's not going to change.
So whether it's Coast or somebody else, good luck in whatever endeavor comes next for you, Leo, but that's the story.
Just, you know, in case people somehow get it wrong or don't know what's going on, they'll be able to refer back to this broadcast, the beginning of this broadcast anyway, and know what's been going on.
And indeed, when you start arbitrating like that between two people screaming at each other, it's soul-sucking.
That's what I call it, soul-sucking.
And it's not easy to have happen just before you're going to go on the air.
You know, it's one of those things.
So tonight will be his last broadcasts.
All right, let's look briefly at the news.
We're going to do open live.
Okay.
Well, there you have it.
That's what happened at the beginning of Art's show last night.
And I have not yet had an opportunity to hear last night's show.
So that was the first I've actually heard of that audio.
And I have been told by two people inside Art Bell Inc., that's what I'll call it, that Art's description of events in terms of how they transpired was entirely accurate on the show last night.
And I think the point that they want to make sure everyone knows was accurate was that Leo was in fact given an offer by Premier Radio Networks.
Now, Leo Ashcraft publicly stated, I believe it was on Facebook, and I saw a screenshot of it on Bellgab, that he was not planning to go to Coast to Coast AM.
That's not verbatim what he said.
What he said was carefully worded because it sort of in a sneaky way didn't necessarily deny that an offer had been made, but it asserted that he had no intention of going over there.
That's how it seemed to me his words could be interpreted.
At least that screenshot that I saw in Belgab.
Meanwhile, George has publicly stated that he and Coast to Coast and that whole operation as an entity have offered Leo nothing.
Well, I think there's pretty conclusive evidence out there to suggest that that's not true.
I mean, I have screenshots of a conversation that Leo had with somebody in which Leo specifically articulates that he was, in fact, given an offer.
As a matter of fact, I have been asked not to read this message to you verbatim, this transcript of this conversation.
I've been asked not to read it to you verbatim, but I have been told that summarizing it is fine or paraphrasing it.
But Leo essentially tells this person that he potentially could make the switch, but he needs a better offer.
That's what he says.
And so really, when you look at the words Leo used to talk about the situation, which was, again, a screen cap.
Pardon me, I keep hitting this stupid mic shield, and I'm intoxicated.
But when you look at this screen cap of what was said by Leo on Facebook with regard to any potential move over to Coast, and then you look at what George Norrie publicly said about whether any of this was actually taking place behind the scenes,
it becomes pretty clear to me that George is the big liar because he's the one, he's the only one who has specifically, to my knowledge, articulated that no offer has been made and this is just craziness and anyone who thinks otherwise is just batshit.
But Leo has not specifically said that none of this is happening behind the scenes.
To my knowledge.
When you say he publicly stated that no offers were made, in fact, he not quite publicly CC'd Bateman that statement.
Yeah, I saw that post where it looked as though he may have accidentally sent that message to Bateman, or perhaps he deliberately did so hoping it would be perceived as an accident, knowing Bateman's going to post it.
That's what makes us so left-handed.
There's a real shiftiness to that whole operation over there, isn't there?
In a creepy way, Bateman finds out and, of course, shares with us.
But to my knowledge, he has not publicly stated that an offer was not made.
I'm not sure.
Somebody out there probably knows that.
Wait, you're saying George has not publicly said that no offer was made?
Well, to my knowledge, I think he has because I saw, well, okay, I think what I saw a screenshot of was the message that was sent to Bateman.
But wasn't it stated elsewhere?
I thought that it was.
I don't know of that.
Okay, well, somebody could call in and correct the record on that.
That would be just fine by me.
The number to call is 623-242-CAST.
That is 623-242-2278.
If you'd like to be on the show.
Bateman just said in the chat, he said, no, he has not publicly stated it.
Okay, well, I have to accept that message that he sent to Bateman as a deliberate public statement of fact.
Because there's no way that I have to believe that he deliberately sent that to Bateman, knowing that it would be publicly disclosed.
But for whatever reason, a strategic decision was made for George himself not to publicly disclose that.
And Kay Rowland said it was an email to me and CC'd to Steve.
So deliberate, but greasy.
Yeah.
Okay, so we have, I would say, rather irrefutable evidence that an offer was made.
And the evidence goes beyond just any screenshots.
But I'll hold off on divulging that information.
I'll probably wait a bit to see who's going to call into the show and what they're going to say.
I have specifically asked George Norrie to call into the show tonight because frankly, he's the person that I'm most interested in talking to tonight.
I think that maybe conventional wisdom would say that it should be Keith or it should be Leo himself.
But I think George is the guy that I would most like to hear from tonight.
I would really like to ask him, what is your endgame here?
Well, I mean, what is it that you think you're gaining by injecting yourself into Art Bell Inc. and the daily goings on over there?
And just can you just do your little thing on your radio show in a box that was handed to you, please?
And just leave Art alone.
I mean, we enjoy his show.
We like art.
We're Art Bell fans.
He's the reason we know you even exist.
I mean, but for art, we'd have no idea who the great mustached one is.
I mean, that needs to be imparted upon him.
I just don't know that he understands it.
Just leave art alone.
Let art do his thing.
I mean, obviously, when you see this sort of behavior, this sort of behind-the-scenes climbing rat on a sinking ship behavior, you know things are not going well.
You know that there are concerns.
And when I say concerns, I'm referring to the perception that Art Bell represents a definitive threat.
There's no doubt about that.
I mean, particularly with the new move to satellite distribution, which enables radio stations to, at the flip of a switch, carry Art Bell's radio show.
If that's not a threat, okay.
I mean, I realize that here's what I don't get.
I don't understand the specificity of all of this, but who owns Coast to Coast AM?
It's no longer considered premier radio networks, right?
Does anybody know?
I don't know.
Well, isn't the mothership now iHeart?
Okay.
However, that works out.
So it's a new company entirely, right?
And it's called iHeartRadio.
Is that how that all breaks down?
I don't know if that's the upper...
Aldis, you better not be wrong.
Hey, Michael, by the way, Art makes mention of this in a certain way on the chat.
And that is, there is the chance that this is all coming from Leo.
If he's in full meltdown mode, he may be imagining the offer or using it to chum the waters.
Well, I will tell you this.
I have specific information that I believe irrefutably bolster.
Well, you can't say irrefutably bolsters because bolstering implies inconclusiveness, but I have information, man.
New shit has come to light.
It might not be just such a simple.
She kidnapped herself, man.
Has that not occurred to you, sir?
I love the way he just cocks his head to the side all confidently as he's speaking to Mr. Lebowski.
Had that not occurred to you, sir?
Like, he just laid out a heavy one on him.
How's he going to get out of that box?
That had not occurred to us, Mr. Lebowski.
I'm sorry, I just sidetracked myself with big Lebowski quotes.
I just think that it would be nice if Art Bell were allowed to do his radio show without people behind the scenes meddling in it.
And what I find offensive, and I don't have a dog in any of these fights, which actually is a nice thing because it allows me to sit back here with impartiality and observe what's happening and say what I really want to say about things.
And I think that I just think that it's pretty clear that for whatever reason, the people behind George Norrie Inc. are really threatened by art.
They really want to just throw sand in the gears.
And I don't know long run how they think that helps them.
I mean, if they want to see a series of prank phone calls on a nightly basis, if they want to see Coast devolve to a point where they can't answer the phone on a nightly basis because they're probably getting pranked 25 to 50% of every time they put a caller on the air, just stick your toe in the water of screwing with Midnight in the Desert and pissing off all of Arts fans.
See how well that works for you long term.
I don't think that's going to work particularly well.
And we're talking about something that George referred to as a quote-unquote little internet radio show, or at least that was the quote that I saw bandied about.
Yeah.
If it's such a little internet radio show, this little internet radio show, according to Leo Ashcraft, has managed to secure 12,000 time traveler subscriptions at $5 a month, which, by the way, at a certain date increased to, what, $7.99 a month or something?
$8.99?
It increased at some point.
I don't recall what the total was.
But everybody who got in, let's just say every one of those is on the order of $5 a month.
Let me bring up the old calculator.
I'll press calc.
There we go.
And I'm going to take $12,000 according to Leo's number times 5.
I can't do 12 times 5.
I never learned my 12.
I never got as high as 12 on the multiplication table.
I stopped at 10, really.
Yeah, 11s and 12s are hard.
I think 11 is a little easier because you just double the number.
But you get into 12, you know, 12, 24, 36, 48, 72.
Well, if you think in terms of anyway, yeah, it's a little harder doing 12s.
So that comes to $60,000 a month that this little internet radio show, just three months out of the gate, has made, not even three, right?
It started July 20th.
So it's not even three months yet.
It'll be three months on the 20th of this month.
And it is already squeezing $60,000 of revenue from internet radio listeners alone.
That's not to mention whatever advertising revenue they've managed to secure.
This is not a little internet radio show.
And going into this thing less than three months, seeing that level of success, it's pretty clear to me that, yeah, I guess there's a reason why George Nouri Inc. could possibly be just the slightest bit nervous about what it is they see happening in front of their faces.
Hey, speaking of money, what about $10,000 out of pocket over three months at 20 hours a day?
I was talking to somebody today who told me that Leo Ashcraft, and Leo has, by the way, been extended the offer to call in.
I don't know if he's going to.
I hope he does, but I don't know necessarily if he's going to or when he's going to call in.
I think every interested party is waiting to see who's going to call in before them, and the whole show is going to end with nobody having called in, is what I think is going to ultimately wind up happening here.
But he's been invited to call in and talk about things.
I don't know necessarily if he's going to.
I haven't had any direct communication with him.
My Facebook account, I don't even know if I'm...
My Facebook account is so pared down, I don't even know if it would be capable of browsing to Leo's Facebook page to communicate with him.
That's how stripped down I have my Facebook.
It's only I'm sure I could.
I'm joking, but I just refuse to communicate with people through Facebook.
There's a certain resistance I feel to that.
So I asked a lot of people to call Leo or send him messages and ask him to be on the show tonight.
So we'll see what happens with that.
Higher on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Bateman.
What's up, buddy?
Hey, Bateman.
I don't know why you're coming only through the left channel.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Do you want the email exchange from George?
Yeah, I do, but I would also like to know why you're only coming through the left channel of my headset.
This is really annoying to me.
There we go.
I fixed it.
Go ahead.
Cool.
So I responded, was this intended for me?
This is the email that he had sent to Keith, and I assumed that he accidentally CC'd me.
But he says, I wanted you to see this.
Let's see.
Yes, I wanted you to see this.
This may be the strangest thing we have ever heard of.
We don't even have room for a news person.
You know what?
That is the first thing I thought about when I heard about all this.
I thought, with all the commercial content now heard on Coast to Coast AM, where would they fit in even a two-minute newscast?
No, I think this is a Jimmy Church kind of a deal.
You know, throw some numbers at him, and then when he has a foot out the door, you know, burn that bridge, tell Art, give Art an ultimatum, and then, oh, where'd the deal go?
Where'd the offer go?
We never offered you anything.
And he's out the door and he's burned that bridge.
Well, I think that that's a little silly on Leo's part to go maneuvering when no ink has been signed.
I mean, who would do that?
Especially with an organization that everybody admits is as manipulative as those people are.
Yeah.
Well, maybe he didn't know the history there.
Oh, well, I guess that's – I assume everybody spends 15 hours per day on Belgab just abandoning their families, just looking at posts, looking at animated GIFs.
Bateman's fantastic animated.
I've always believed Bateman was the best user of animated GIFs.
And I'm not going to say what site they come from either, because they get all the way to the point.
You can't give.
That's the key.
Those are the keys to the castle.
You can't just go indiscriminately handing that out to people.
You have to have some panache of your own.
Here's the night email.
I said, I have no dog in the fight.
He said, me either.
I said, where would Leo get this idea, though?
I really have no idea, Steve.
Only three people, three is capitalized, people are authorized here to discuss employment with people.
Me, Lisa, and Tom.
I thought he was going to say one of them was the janitor.
See, I made assumptions there.
I thought he was going to say Falky.
Oh, Starbucks.
He says, no one has talked, emailed, or really even knows the guy.
It's bizarre.
I just really hope George calls in tonight because I am so tired of what I feel is this phony baloney routine of behind the scenes, attempting to be some sort of a discreet puppet master.
And then when the shit hits the fan, coming out with a very well-greased mustache and informing everybody that you have no idea what they're upset about or why you had nothing to do with it.
That's a routine.
It does.
I do hate when that happens, Star Mountain.
Well, I can't hit it.
Damn it.
George, I love your mustache.
Just go ahead and call.
It'll be okay.
Well, you'd have to assume that these are all coincidences and misunderstandings literally every single time something like this happens.
Did you hear what I theorized earlier about why he sent you that?
I suggested that I believe he deliberately sent that to you knowing that you would publicly post it.
And that was his way of getting that info out there without himself publicly stating that.
And for whatever reason, that was a strategic move on their part.
Yeah, I think you're probably right about that.
See, I thought it was too.
Okay.
Thanks, Bateman.
All right.
I'll let you know if he emails anything else.
I'm sure I'll get another frantic email before the show's over.
Oh, please fill us in.
Please.
Can you do it in 3D, please?
I would like to be able to read these missives in three dimensions, if possible at all.
The technology is there.
We just have to utilize it as humans.
If you want to be on the show tonight, the number to call is 623-242-CAST.
It is 623-242-2278.
This is the GabCast, a radio show about BellGab.com, which is a forum that I hope you're using.
And I hope you are routinely refreshing so that as many ad displays as possible can show up on your screen.
Thank you.
We have, not only do we have diapers to buy, there are the little bags you have to put the diapers in so that they don't stink when you throw them in the trash.
There are just wipes.
I mean, the list goes on.
So I would like you, as the listener, to help facilitate my reproductive habits.
Thank you.
You know, something that really gets me is that I hear the complaints Leo Ashcraft is leveling against Art Bell Inc. with regard to his pay.
And I really have to say that I have a hard time feeling sympathy for him in that regard.
I feel like when you enter into a business arrangement with another entity, particularly if that business arrangement involves you doing work for them that benefits them in some way, maybe it's not even work directly for them, but it's work that benefits them in some way.
Profit, in terms of profit, in terms of actual money making.
You don't go into these sorts of arrangements with people without having it just ironclad nailed down what you're going to be paid, how you're going to be paid, why you're going to be paid, and with what frequency.
That's stuff that you don't leave open-ended, particularly when you are entering into a situation where there potentially could be vast sums of money to be made, as is the case with Art Bell and his new radio show.
It's my understanding, and again, this knowledge rattling around in my cranium is the result of me talking to people behind the scenes in this situation, not necessarily in this situation, but people close to the situation who tell me that Leo was supposed to be paid by ad sales that occurred pertaining to his newscast.
I just horribly worded that.
Let me start over.
Leo was going to supposedly sell ads, and that's how he was going to make his money with these newscasts.
He was going to inject advertising that he had sold into this newscast.
And again, that could be totally incorrect information.
I don't know.
That's up to Leo if he wants to call in and talk about it.
I would love to hear, and he will be treated totally fairly.
I mean, I don't think that the fault in this situation probably only goes in one direction.
That's a rare thing for fault to be assigned only to one side of a situation.
In life, that just mathematically almost never is the case.
But I feel like he should have known going into this situation how he was going to be paid, what the mechanism was going to be for him to get paid, and for him to just suddenly say, oh, hey, guess what?
You know what?
The $140 that Keith Rowland paid me, I'm a little miffed by it.
Well, I understand that.
And, you know, frankly, I would probably feel the same way if I were producing content that was appearing during a radio show and I learned that that radio show is now this again is Leo Ashcraft's number.
He says they're making $60,000 a month in revenue and I'm getting a check for $140.
Yeah, even though I understand the payment mechanism that's in place and that was agreed upon prior to my entry into that situation.
Even though I know all of that, I'm still going to be a little miffed, I think.
Because it's just, there's money flowing all over the place.
You can smell it.
You know, it's just $60,000 a month.
And I don't know how many people are being paid by the operation, but I don't think it's that many.
I don't think it's more than four or five, to my knowledge.
I could be totally wrong again.
I'm just an outsider looking in.
I have no idea.
I could be totally out of my element.
But when I'm, if I were Leo and I'm sitting there doing that and I'm providing this content, which is appearing during this show, and this content is exclusive to this show, it's unmistakably associated with the show.
And all that money is being made on a monthly basis and I get a check for $140, you know, that's a little bit, that's a little tough to abide, I have to say.
Well, it sounds like Leo's economic hopes working with the show were more entrepreneurial than contractual.
And the fact is, when you're an entrepreneur, how often do you see profit within three months?
I'm just saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The boy isn't that the case.
You're preaching to the choir there.
I mean, where I'm sitting right now is just a physical manifestation of everything you just said.
I'm sitting in my office, my place of business, where I've been for five years now, doing this show.
And I know exactly the philosophy that you're talking about.
You do not, in an entrepreneurial endeavor, immediately start just raking in cash.
It's extremely unusual.
And I guess the point is, A, my point is, A, I blame Leo on that for not having everything ironed out going in.
You don't go into these things not knowing what you're going to get paid.
And B, it sounds to me like he left a hell of a lot of money on the table.
Because if he was going to have this opportunity to sell all of this advertising and it was all going to be heard during Art's show, which is now flipping this switch to be carried over the satellite, over the bird, as they say in the biz, on any radio station that wants to carry it.
Wow, did he leave some money on the table?
Boner move!
Boner of a move, dude.
I mean, I understand some of the gripes you have, and I also understand that Keith Rowland isn't the greatest in the world when it comes to communicating via the written word.
I think often he has no perception whatsoever of how his tone comes across to people via the written word.
But then when you talk to him, it's like, holy crap, this guy sounds so normal and rational.
What's going on here?
MV.
MV.
Yes.
Keith is in the room.
I know he is.
Oh, never mind.
Keith does not communicate well via the written word.
He just doesn't.
I mean, we all have our strengths and our weaknesses.
I'm not going to sit here and not say things.
I mean, I'm not saying Keith's a bad guy.
I said it on Bellgab.
He's probably just fine.
It's just that he doesn't communicate well via the written word.
And if Leo and Keith were communicating with one another primarily via the written word, I could see how over time Leo would start to develop a bad attitude.
I mean, I didn't find that particularly shocking.
I mean, I've just seen a lot of instances where Keith, via the written word, sometimes seems to have problems.
But when you're leaving that much money on the table, when there's that much at stake, holy Christ, he could have really left a lot of money on the table by walking away from this thing in a huff as he did.
I mean, okay, you don't like somebody that you're working with or you don't like the way they communicate.
But there's so much money that's just about to be made right around the corner.
And as Leo himself says, he spent something on the order of $10,000 of his own money building this machine behind what we refer to as Dark Matter News.
You're not going to just suck it up and just wait and see what comes around the corner.
I mean, there's a huge, major change about to take place.
There's a huge change about to occur.
This satellite thing is not something that's going to be an afterthought.
It's going to totally, it has and will totally reshape the playing field relative to Art's ability to compete with the bad guys, as we can call them, just for simplicity's sake.
And to step out to, at that moment, say, this is where I'm going to walk away and just, you know what, hear all my Facebook messages to tell everybody how pissed I am and why.
Man, that's bad business.
And then to go on to your next endeavor, who's going to want to work with a guy that's got that kind of business judgment?
First of all, the way he's conducted himself after this thing exploded, just putting everything out there to be publicly read.
I mean, there are things you keep to yourself.
There are things that you keep close to the vest, but I don't get the impression that he has operated under that philosophy in any way whatsoever over the course of the last 24 hours.
And in addition to that, walking away from that the way he did, I just think he's someone put it really wonderfully on Belgium.
I forget who it was that said that I'm imagining right now at this moment as I'm typing this, Leo Ashcraft is sitting in a recliner in his living room having heart palpitations over how badly he realizes he just screwed up.
I mean, so what?
You don't get along with Keith.
Wait and see how much money is going to be made pretty soon.
I mean, the money you make is always going to be, you know, the headache you go through in doing your job on a day-to-day basis is always relative to the amount of money you're getting paid to do that job.
Well, it's pretty unprofessional.
How long has Leo been in the business?
I don't know.
I had never heard of him in my life.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hey, this is Pate.
Hey, buddy.
What's going on?
I'm glad you called.
How are you?
How are you?
Hello?
I'm not here.
Hey, Pate.
How's it going?
Where are you calling from, man?
All right.
I'm calling from the lab.
Street address, please.
Laboratory.
Oh, God.
I told you the EM interference was going to mess with stuff.
If you guys have gone a little later, I was going to volunteer my services to read the news as long as I didn't have to write it.
Anyway.
Well, if you manage to find some advertisers to go along with you, you could make just a buttload of money.
I just want to read it.
Somebody else can write it for me.
I can read it.
I'm terrible at making stuff up.
So, Pate, what brings you to the program?
Oh, you wanted callers.
I was trying to open the floodgates.
I don't have much time in it.
Well, you're occupying a caller's slot.
That is a closing of the floodgate, sir.
Oh, Lord.
I better clear the line so that somebody's going to be able to do it.
No, Want you here.
We want to hear what you're about to lay down on us, buddy.
Oh, about the Leo thing?
I like Leo.
Well, first off, I want to say I think it's my fault, as always.
I mean, obviously, this can be clearly connected to something I've done.
Hey, somebody's breathing heavily into their microphone.
If you could just mute that or something, I don't know.
Go ahead, Pate.
I'm sorry.
That's probably me.
I'm awful excited right now.
It's not you.
Oh, okay.
Go ahead.
Well, anyway, I think it's my fault, as always.
I enjoyed his, I kind of want, even though he loved his lines and all that, or not his lines, but you know, you would mess up the pronunciation of a word every once in a while.
Everybody does that.
Yeah, but I got to tell you, I started in radio reading news, and that's what I did most of my career in radio is sitting in front of a microphone live, by the way.
Hold on, I have an alcohol burp coming up.
I must mute my microphone.
Anyway, sitting in front of a microphone live reading news.
I wasn't editing, I wasn't recording it and then editing everything down.
I know.
No, and I was 17 years old, and I was not, I was not mispronouncing things to the degree that I heard or heard about in his newscast.
And to me, that's unacceptable.
I've talked to someone else about this.
It may have been on Bella Haven.
I talked about how I was extremely close to my grandmother.
And one of the things that always stand out to me as I think about sitting in her living room, just doing whatever, watching TV with her or whatever, is listening to her complain about how in today's media, mispronunciations,
grammatical errors, faux pas, you name it, whether it's spoken media, whether it's televised media, whether it's the newspaper, this stuff is so much more accepted today than it was when she was young.
When she was a young person, a teenager reading a newspaper during World War II, I can assure you, the grammatical errors and spelling errors that we see routinely, whether it's on blogs or newspapers or magazines, wherever it's everywhere.
There's just been a dumbing down that has occurred and that now has been considered socially acceptable, apparently.
And this just miffed her to no end.
Her blood pressure, when she would see something like that, would just skyrocket.
And so I feel like that stuff is not acceptable.
I feel like if you're doing a newscast, you should do what I did when I was 17 years old.
You should sit down with your copy and you should go over every single word of that copy.
Make sure you actually understand what you're reading and make sure you actually understand how every syllable of every word needs to be pronounced.
You can't do that's your whole job.
Your whole job is what you're doing right there in that microphone.
You can't get distracted by how long it took you to put the newscast together because the only thing that matters to the end listener, someone keeps moving your mic around there, by the way, you need to mute it if you're not talking.
Everything that you do that matters is what's happening as you're speaking into that microphone.
And to go on night after night mispronouncing words on that level, to me, that's just not acceptable broadcasting.
Like in the context of a real broadcast.
And I know somebody could say, oh, listen to the gab cast.
You guys aren't always perfect.
You guys have your faux pas and your mishaps and what this is not a professional.
This is not a professional broadcast.
This is not something on that order.
There's a big difference between the two.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry, Pete.
Oh, I was just saying, well, was he actually writing or had a writer that was writing the copy?
No, somebody else found supposedly somebody else was writing the copy for him, which is all the more reason to go through it.
Yeah, go back over it.
And a lot of times, writers, it's hard to write when you're just writing, to write like you would speak.
It looks weird when you write that way, but it actually reads out loud better.
And I'm wondering if maybe that they couldn't have the, I guess, an audio editor where he didn't audio edit himself.
Well, when you're talking about a pop cultural icon on the order of Beyoncé, I think you have to know how that's pronounced.
I just really think if you're reading the name of somebody that you know is a celebrity and that you know a lot of people are going to be familiar with, you have to be sure you're pronouncing that correctly.
It's not like reading, Sharon Jean Mercer got arrested last night at the Piggly Wiggly for stealing a can of stags she was going to bring home to her wife-beaten dirtbag of a husband who got fired from the cement plant last week because he was back behind the silos doing myth.
You know, it's not like you're reporting on that type of a person that, okay, you mispronounce their name.
People probably aren't going to either know or give a crap.
Nobody knows who that person is.
But if it's somebody that everybody is familiar with, you need to not allow yourself to look silly in those situations.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hey, Andy, it's BW.
Hey, buddy.
How's it going?
I'm great.
I'm glad you called in.
Yeah.
You said, yeah, like, oh, yeah, really?
Yeah.
Okay, I believe that.
Anyway, into my stuff.
Well, everybody wants to know what you've been up to.
So I know that you've been busy keeping Art's Lawn in tip-top shape.
So how's that new zero-turn radius mower working out for you?
You know, I have found that it is difficult to use a writing lawnmower in the sand.
I'm shocked by that.
I don't understand the mechanics or the physics of it, but it has been a revelation to me.
Plus, the cacti thorns kind of mess with your tires a little bit.
And anybody standing next to the discharge spout, I would think that if you're standing in the desert, if somebody runs over a cactus and you're just positioned incidentally in a really bad place, oh, yeah, that's not good.
Happens all the time.
Discharge will get you every time.
I have been, you know what?
I really should have taken this time tonight to do a train wreck show with Evelyn, but with all the stuff that's going down, I just thought that this was the show to do tonight.
But I just, I've been so busy with school.
I'm writing papers.
And when I'm not doing that, I'm vegetating.
When I have time that I can just do, use to do whatever I want to do.
I just do not feel like doing a whole hell of a lot.
And it's quite an undertaking to come over here and do this because I don't have this set up in my home.
I have to physically leave and come over here and add to that the fact that this is actually where I work on a daily basis.
You know, you get kind of tired of being in here, frankly.
So, yeah, that's pretty.
Really, I mean, if I'd summarize it with just the word school, are you proud of me for going back to school?
I am.
We're all proud of you.
Thank you.
That helps every day as I wake up.
We're all happy to hear your shining voice from the Dabcast this evening.
Now, back to the matter in hand, the whole situation with Leo.
I was always a fan of that, his little segment.
And then I saw on Bellgas someone mentioned something about how he was mispronouncing words.
And then it kind of dawned on me.
I was like, yeah, he does do that occasionally.
But in the last week and a half, it's become really bad where he's like, this week was carbon dioxide.
That is not how you say that word.
Yeah, I heard about that.
I mean, it was really kind of like that moment I had years and years ago where I was listening to George Norrie and it just like a shot of lightning to my head.
I was like, God, this guy's terrible.
I just don't feel like a newscast, everything has its context, right?
Like we can sit here and be goofy and be dumbasses on this show and say things that we might not say in front of our grandmothers.
But that's because this situation at this moment has its context.
It has its audience and there is a tone that is acceptable in this environment, in this context, doing this show, talking into a microphone doing this show.
You wouldn't apply that same approach to doing a newscast, whether it's doing a newscast for Art Bell or it's doing a newscast on the local AM talker, as I did for so many years.
You are supposed to be, as a news person, as the news guy, you're supposed to be credible.
And part of credibility means not sounding like an asshat.
And when you say carbon dioxide or whatever the hell it was that he pronounced that as, that doesn't get the job done.
Blajance.
What's up, Jan?
Blajonce.
It makes you wonder what planet he's been living on.
Maybe he's one of these hubris.
Maybe he's not really, maybe he's like part alien or something.
He's been living on the wrong planet, the wrong.
I can understand somebody not being totally plugged into pop culture.
Not only can I understand it, I can relate to it, which I guess is actually the same thing.
But there's just, you are doing a newscast.
There's no reason to be pronouncing things in that way.
That's just not acceptable.
I guess my point is, really, after a little bit of that happened, I was, frankly, a little bit surprised that he was allowed to continue because I thought it was sub-par,
which is really why I'm a little bit surprised by the chutzpah, the swagger with which he is now proclaiming himself the founding father of a new podcast network and inviting everybody to come over and start pitching a tent and planting a flag.
I think that doesn't really, because, A, I feel like the job he did working with and/or for art wasn't particularly impressive and isn't deserving of this sort of swagger.
But secondly, anyone who's going to go over there and work with him is going to have to wonder, holy crap, what happens if things go south?
Yeah, plus, you know, I keep wondering, has anybody ever seen Leo and a digital voice replicator in the same room at the same time?
Oh, old, that's a scurrilous accusation.
Have we seen a picture of the dude?
Come on.
I'm just saying.
Well, you guys said it, not me.
That's Heather Wee!
All right.
Hi, Redacted.
How are you?
You said I'm just sweet and pleasant as ever.
We're happy now.
There you are.
Yes.
Well, it's good to be here, you guys.
I just wanted to show up and maybe clear some of this.
I can hear MV.
I can hear you struggling with some of the facts.
So I brought facts.
I felt like I was struggling.
I had trouble breathing.
My feet were getting sweaty.
Does your stomach hurt?
Not so much.
Just the feet sweaty.
That's what was happening tonight.
It's a chemical thing.
I don't know.
All right.
Well, there are a couple of things I want to bring up just to clear things up definitively.
Okay, so let's address Leo's primary concern, which is the pay.
He was paid $4,800 for the run of his ad.
All right, that was the first run.
There were additional runs after that.
He was also paid a total of $328.
That's his 1%.
That's what he agreed to.
If he had a problem with that pay structure, he should have renegotiated it.
Or if he had a problem with it, he should have made sure he knew what he was into from the outset.
Which, I mean, I've said that ad nauseum at this point.
I just feel like you make deals before you do what you do.
That's when you make deals before you do what you're going to do.
Right, not after.
You can't go back after and renegotiate.
Oh, well, I didn't like that.
I don't like this.
I'm not happy with it.
That's the agreement he made before he went in.
So you make your bed and you lie in it, man.
Sounded like you're talking about getting married or something here, Heather.
What's up with that?
Well, when you're part of a small team, you want to be clear on your loyalty, and you also want to be clear on what you've agreed to do in exchange for what.
Exactly.
That was my point.
Hey, somebody tell me how to make the sound stop in the chat room.
I forget what the command is to type in the window there.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Are you hearing the beeps?
Yeah, yes.
And it was, I don't know why now, but yes.
Probably because everybody's saying my name.
And you can hear the beeps coming from here.
It's people saying MV.
That's what's going on here.
You people.
Well, that's on you.
I don't know.
You animals.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
So, no, that's all right.
That ad that Leo was paid for nightly, $240 per night.
That ended a couple of weeks ago.
So the $120 that he's posting all over the place to show what a big victim he is in all of this, that's just the remaining portion of his 1% that, again, he agreed on.
Now, another point I want to make is this was supposed to stay all behind the scenes.
Okay, redacted.
It's all on your end, the beep.
Do you have the chat room open?
Yeah, I do.
Because I actually closed it on my end and I'm still hearing it, so it's got to be you.
Turn your device off.
Or just close the chat room.
Just close it.
Yeah.
If I close it, okay.
That sound is just too much.
It's awful.
It's gone.
Okay, sorry.
So the other thing I wanted to say was: you know, this was all supposed to stay behind the scenes, and we were going to keep it there until Leo started talking about all this publicly, bringing out the dirty laundry, and we were going to, you know, make it a nice, clean, professional exit for him.
And he preempted us on that.
So what choice did Art have but to say the truth, which he played at the beginning of the show for everybody here to hear?
What is his beef with art?
What is it that Art has specifically done that has shifted his focus from blaming Keith for being the epitome of all things evil in this mortal universe to that being art?
Well, he's saying, and he's posted this publicly, so this isn't anything anybody can't find on the internet themselves, is the information Art smeared me with on the air is not entirely true.
It was twisted.
You know, Art didn't twist anything.
What's untrue about it?
I have seen only evidence to the contrary to say that it is true, what Art said.
The call I got was that Amy said Leo tried to recruit her because Leo got an offer, $60,000 a year from Coast.
He counter-offered with $100,000 per year and then went to Amy and said, hey, come with me.
And Amy said, no, I'm loyal to Art.
Called me up.
I said, thank you.
And then Leo's also tried to recruit me here recently.
And I asked him to call into the show tonight.
That's all I have to say to him regarding that.
So where does this, okay, he was paid over $4,000 from the beginning of this whole operation, as a result of the airing of one ad, you said, right?
Yes.
So why is that being entirely omitted from the narrative from Leo?
Oh, that's a good question, Mv.
Glad you brought that up.
I want to see a screenshot of all the other checks that Leo's received.
All the checks from the network are cut at the end of the month, just like normal.
I can speak from my experience that I'm being very well taken care of by the network.
There's no reason Leo wouldn't be also.
He's got exactly what he agreed to get.
Okay, so really, I mean, that's quite the revelation, everybody.
I mean, over $4,000 he's been paid just for the airing of one ad.
Just for the airing of one ad.
And is that an ad to an advertiser that he sold?
Is that how that all panned out?
Yes, because Leo's agreement was that he'd get 100% of the ads he sold that were done during the Dark Matter News newscast.
I just don't understand why that's being omitted from the record here.
I mean, I think we, I don't know.
I would like Leo to call in and speak to that.
That's pretty interesting.
I mean, if you're going to go all over social media and start throwing stones and telling everybody what a dirtbag Art Bell is because he didn't get paid, well, you know.
Why not come out with the total?
You know what?
I can use $4,000.
Well, it was closer to five.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Even better.
It's closer to five.
You know, Art has responded to him to let him know, hey, you were paid from the commercial that ran, which was the original agreement.
He's also paid the 1% of total ad revenue, not 1% of all the subscribers.
And total ad revenue.
So that 1% of total ad revenue is probably not something to scoff at.
Well, no.
I mean, it might not be the biggest number in the world right now, but the potential that exists behind that number.
Well, and he walked away from that potential by throwing a big man fit.
And the other thing, if Leo wants to talk about who is lying here, if he wants to talk about discrepancy in information, well, then he should talk to me because I was the one who relayed the information that Art said on the air.
And that information was exactly what I heard, that Leo had tried to recruit Amy when he counter-offered to Coast for $100,000 a year.
And then here comes George Norrie to say, we don't know about the news guy.
We don't know about any offer.
No offer was made to him.
Well, we don't know if anything George says is true, right?
But I find it.
I believe every word.
Yep, I'm sure you do.
Yeah, and so does everybody else here that's listening tonight.
But, you know, George says he doesn't know.
Well, I wouldn't put it past George to make an offer to Leo and then deny it just to try and mess with the arts network.
We're talking with Heather Wade, the producer for Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert.
Also goes by redacted on bellgab.com, talking to her about the Leo Ashcraft situation, which has unfolded over the last 24 hours.
And if anybody would be in the know, it's you.
Well, I don't really know.
I mean, is there anything more with regard to this situation that needs to be said?
Is there any more of a clearing of the air that's?
There was quite a build-up to this.
This didn't just happen in one day.
Speak to that.
You know, no sort of explosion like this happens overnight.
And like I said, it should have remained behind the scenes.
We wanted it to remain behind the scenes where it belonged.
But since Leo started bringing out his dirty laundry out on Facebook for everybody to see, and I might add, those posts speak for themselves, by the way.
And so then Art said, well, the only thing to do, the only right thing to do is to address it right here on the air.
And he relayed exactly the information that I gave him.
That, well, I've already said it.
So I've seen it bandied about that there was some bad blood because Leo Ashcraft's Dark Matter News website was not linked on artbell.com.
What's the story there?
There was a link.
I believe Keith already commented on that in the chat room.
There was a link to Dark Matter News.
I'm not involved in the inner workings of the web stuff, the internet engineering stuff, but Keith is not opposed to putting up a link to Dark Matter News on artbell.com.
We're all on the same team here.
But a link, I don't think, is sufficient.
I mean, if you guys are going to have a news guy, I think he needs to be the news guy.
I think that what needed to happen was his news operation needed to be more directly integrated into ArtBell.com and made more of a force there as opposed to having this, here's news here, but also you can go to this other website and here's news.
I mean, if you guys have this guy doing news, he should be, I think, just my opinion, fully utilized.
I'm not sure he necessarily was.
But then again, hearing what I've heard, I'm not sure to what extent he necessarily could have been utilized.
He had full support of the team.
Many of us asked him, okay, Leo, what can we do to help you?
What can we tools can we give you?
How can we possibly help?
You obviously have a problem, so what's the solution?
Everybody on the team asked him that simple question.
He could never come back with a simple answer.
We would have delivered had he said what he needed specifically.
He never did.
Okay, let's take a caller.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, it's Tiger Lily.
Hi, Tiger Lily.
Hi, Tiger Lily.
Hi.
Hi, everybody.
What brings you to the show, Sugar?
Thanks.
Hey, Redacted.
I was wondering now that Leo's not showing that oh, so important couple of minutes.
Does that affect Art's timing on the show for streaming, or does it affect his ad revenue?
And how does he punt in a situation like that?
No, it doesn't affect it.
Amy Martin is lined up to take over doing the news.
The ads may be rearranged a little bit to fit her in, but no.
That's good to hear.
Hey, guys, did you hear Amy's doing the news?
Your wishes are coming true.
Yeah, I just wondered about that.
And just in general, Art seems to be fine, but I always worry about him getting a little bit overstressed.
Is he hanging in okay?
Art's always cool.
100% of the time.
I heard that Art has an ice bag on his forehead 24-7.
That's what I heard.
That's what I heard.
Not true.
Not true.
This is not Art's first rodeo.
Thank you, Tiger Lily.
Do you have anything else before I hang up on you?
No, hang up on me.
That's fine.
Nice talking to you, guys.
Well, I'm glad you called in.
Thank you.
Okay, thanks, Bob.
Hi.
That's Tiger Lily calling in.
If you'd like to be on the show, we have Redacted, otherwise known as Heather Wade.
She's the producer for Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert.
And with all of the activity that has happened over the last 24 hours involving Leo Ashcraft, the former newsman, I would think that a lot of people might have questions they want to ask.
Here's some poof from Australia.
Hi.
Hi, how are you going?
Josh Munda.
Hey, Beth.
I know that guy.
Jas!
I'm so honored to be speaking to the great Redacted.
Oh, my goodness.
So glad to be here.
Doesn't she do such a great job?
Isn't she so cool?
You guys are going to be aware of that.
Well, she wouldn't answer his phone calls until now.
This is the first time he's gotten through.
What I'm thinking is what everyone is overlooking with this whole situation is that there's now probably an open slot in the coveted 5,000 friend limit on Art Bell's private Facebook page.
Well, everybody should jump on that, send him a friend request, see who gets it.
I thought he changed that, so there's no longer a limit.
Well, anybody can follow his new public figure page.
Most of the information, all of the information about the show can be found there.
And there's no limit to the amount of people that can follow that page.
And I also thought I would just tell Inform Redacted that I'll be no longer producing videos for Art Bell.
I have been, I will, from now on, just be solely producing Folky's YouTube content.
See, I thought you were already doing that.
I didn't know you were working with Art Bell.
See, you know what happens when you go away for a couple of months?
You look like an asshat.
I'm sorry.
But did you counteroffer for more money?
You know you need to do that, right?
I'm not very good at negotiation.
Well, here's the key to negotiation.
After the deal is signed and everybody is walking away, keep counter-offering.
That's what you got to do.
I'll be melting down on Facebook in the next hour.
So if you want to follow me, follow Jasmunda.
The only thing I do is look at your Facebook.
24.
I mean, I wake up in the morning.
Honey, I'll be there in a minute.
I know the kids need to eat.
I'm looking at Jasmunda's Facebook.
Step away.
Okay.
Well.
Well, another thing that's been brought up by Leo that I just want to address is that he's pointing the finger all at Keith.
Keith has to go.
If Keith goes, then Leo will step in and save us all.
Well, I can only speak from my experience.
I've never had a problem working with Keith.
He answers all my emails.
He answers the phone every time I call him.
He's never been rude.
He's never been difficult.
He's never hung up on me.
None of that.
So that's the only example I can go by.
He's very direct.
He's very clear in all his communication.
So if Leo has a hard time interpreting the things that Keith has to say, then there's something with Leo's interpretation of what people tell him.
I think this is just like a Pete Bess Ringo moment, okay?
I mean, how happy are we that we're going to be able to do that?
I'm just happy to be here.
Right?
Or even more specifically, John Rutzey Neil Peart moment, okay?
I'd appreciate it if you pronounce it pert.
Thank you.
Well, I just go by what the man tells me.
I like to take people's last names and pronounce them differently than they themselves.
Like Art Beal.
I love his radio show.
It's the greatest.
It's a big fan.
Neil Peart's got a whole thing in his book, you know, about riding motorcycle between shows, about all the different ways people pronounce his last name.
It's kind of a thing.
Okay, Jasmunda, what else you want to say, buddy?
You want to just stay here?
I can't keep you here because you called the wrong account.
You'd have to call into the other account.
All right, I might do that.
Oh, he really is going to do it, ladies and gentlemen.
He's going to do it.
Okay.
I'll hang up on you.
Redacted.
I'm kind of curious.
What is your day comprised of from the moment you wake up?
I would imagine that it's a little different than it once was.
It's a little bit different.
There's a part of it that makes complete sense, and there's a part of it that's really strange, but a lot of fun.
Just imagine this, that you talk to potential guests, scheduled guests all day, and then you talk to Art Bell.
You know what?
I want to know, I'll bet you you get a lot of nutcases coming out of the woodwork trying to get on this show.
A few.
A few.
Everybody's got something interesting to say, that's for sure.
Do you remember on Bellgab, Redacted?
Do you remember me posting a link to this transcript of Ramona Bell taking a phone call from some guy who was trying to get on Art's show?
And the guy said, well, you know, I really don't think my appearance would be best on Dreamland because I think what I'm bringing to the table would be a little bit better on something more mainstream like Art's big show, Coast to Coast AM.
And Ramona said something to the effect of, well, I don't really think it's going to happen on either show, sir.
I mean, just when you read the transcript of the phone call and what it was that this guy said to Ramona that led her to say, I just don't think either show is going to work for you, sir.
I just – as soon as I found out that you were becoming Art Bell's producer, I immediately imagined you in the position of receiving all these phone calls from random nutbags who have some book that was published to themselves, you know, with a paper cutter.
You know, like the big paper cutter with the arm that you – and these people are just, like, binding their own book in some creepy back room with cobwebs up in the ceiling around them.
I'm a published author.
Yeah, sure you are, but that's great.
You look very published to me.
I agree.
I just imagine you getting all these people coming out of the woodwork, having to yammer on the phone all day with these people.
Oh, it's all in a day's work.
I think it'd be unprofessional to call them what you just called them.
I'll let you say that, not me.
Well, thank you.
Are you able to tell us some of the People that applied for guests but didn't get on?
Or is that kind of no, okay.
Yeah, that would probably be breaching confidentiality.
Okay, well, don't have to.
So you won't give us the names and addresses of people you've talked to.
Okay, all right.
If you want to be the privately send you social security numbers, no, of course I wouldn't do that.
Are you kidding?
I just wanted to, because Leo has put everything, his side out there to the public, I wanted to explain our side that Leo has been paid according to the agreement that he made.
Also, any information that Art said on the air last night was true.
It was information I passed to him, and there's nothing to be twisted about that.
Amy was asked by Leo to go with him.
She said no.
I was asked this morning to go with Leo because he insists that I won't be paid, which is entirely untrue.
This is actually the time of the month when checks get cut from the network.
So Leo received his profit share, which has to be calculated when the month has ended.
I just can't believe that the whole almost 5,000 has been left out of this narrative by him.
What an omission.
That's why I'm here talking to you right now because that was omitted.
That's unbelievable.
I mean, the impression he is deliberately giving people is that he's worked for almost three months and been paid $140.
Yes.
And also that Keith Rowland is somehow Satan and is trying to bring down the whole network.
That's completely untrue.
Keith couldn't be easier to work with.
You know, with the reputation that Keith has, I wondered, oh, well, how is this going to go?
He's fine.
He's been very generous with me, patient, answers all my questions.
Keith is just fine.
He has put up with a lot of Keith offered me a kidney.
I want to put that out there just last week.
I was surprised.
Yeah, he offered me a lung.
I thought that was very, very generous of him to do that.
Yeah, and he's trying to counsel me.
Oh, my God.
What's going on here?
Is that I'm hearing that sound, I guess, coming from your end.
Why is that happening?
Nobody's calling me.
Okay, I don't know what that was.
He should do sound check before the show, Michael.
I need to make sure the computer's turned on before the show.
Are you kidding me?
I don't know how these switches and knobs and what-have-yous work.
Okay, so is that pretty much it?
Is there anything else you'd like to bring to the table?
Just that I won't be accepting any offers.
None of us on this team over here will entertain any offers from Coast, from Leo, from anybody trying to break up the team.
Well, all I have to say to that is good luck.
All righty.
Well, how about that?
That is redacted.
Thank you, Sweetie.
Oh, you're welcome.
You guys have a good night.
I'm glad you called.
If you want to be on the show, if there are things you would like to say about what you just heard, the number to call is 623-242-CAST.
It is 623-242-2278.
And Skype just did some really weird stuff here.
And I, so, Star Mountain, are you still there?
Yes, I am.
Okay, and Jasmunda, I think, is gone.
Can you hear me?
You know what?
I hear an Australian.
I just don't think it's you.
Aldous Burbank is gone, though, right?
I think so.
I think so.
I don't see his name on the thingy.
Okay.
Well, I don't know what it is.
Okay, well, I'll have to remove him from that and see if I can re-add him.
Again, the number to call if you want to be on the show is 623-242-CAST.
It is 623-242-2278.
Well, I guess if George Norrie's not going to call in tonight, that's a bit of a disappointment.
I did send him a message on Bellgab requesting that he call into the show tonight.
And we're an hour and 20 minutes in.
It doesn't really seem to me as though that's necessarily going to happen.
Well, he's called in the last 10 minutes before.
You're still there.
Yeah, and that turned out so well for him.
Okay, now, Aldous, I think you're calling me.
Yeah, I don't know.
Okay, redacted, you have to hang up, please.
I can't bring him in until you do.
Why don't you let me hang up?
I don't want you to hang up.
You're one of the hosts tonight.
I can hang up in pay.
I'm okay.
You know what?
This is annoying me.
I don't know why it is that.
I don't know why it is that I can't bring him back in.
It doesn't really matter.
Okay.
So is there anything we haven't touched on pertaining to this whole situation?
Because I'm not going to sit here all night.
I don't really know what more there is to say about the situation.
And I don't want to sit here all night waiting for Leo Ashcraft to call in potentially.
He knows we're doing the show.
I'm sure a lot of people sent him messages saying, hey, call into the show.
And if he hasn't called by this point, I sort of suspect he might not be doing so.
Someone with a Skype account starting with the first name Leo did add me to their contact list during the show.
So I got the impression that that was probably him and that we would be receiving a call from him.
But that doesn't appear to have happened.
Can you call him?
Well, I could.
You know, I guess I should, shouldn't I?
Why not?
What can you lose?
I guess I should.
But the problem is I can't see the chat, the group call session that we have here right now that I can normally see on Skype.
I tell you what, Skype really is the absolute worst way to try and conduct a radio show.
Like with co-hosts, it is just, I think, deliberately horrible.
I think the people at Skype really do know that a lot of people are using this to do radio shows, and they're deliberately making it a horrible experience because they have this Skype broadcast product that either they already have released or at some point in the future they're going to release that's going to be specifically designed for broadcasters.
And so maybe they want to make this a horrible user experience.
I don't know if that's what the deal is or not.
Now I'm going to bring this call on.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
This is actually Lou.
Are you confusing Lou with Leo?
You are the person.
Okay, you know what?
I'm a little bit intoxicated, and you have my apologies.
And that's not a problem.
And I wanted to thank you for the emails regarding trucking.
Oh, that was you.
Okay.
But I thought I'd take the opportunity to correct you there.
I believe it was.
Who is George Norrie's producer?
What's his name?
Dan Heiser?
Yeah, Tom Dan Heiser.
Dan Heiser, I believe, is the one who responded to Art with the little comments.
Your little internet chat.
That's my recollection from hearing Art talk about it.
I don't have anything to say about Leo Ashcroft or whatever his name is, but I do have to say this.
Jimmy Church and I used to be buddies, but I kept pointing out his mispronunciation of various words, and he went ballistic after you guys like internet buddies, or were you like loan tools to him?
Well, it wasn't intimate, but I mean, we were our friends, you know, we would communicate, and I live in Southern California, so does he.
I was, I think, the second fader not, and I don't want to overly disparage him, but I have the same reaction as you, or at least your grandmother, that when I hear, I just think it's a public duty to be pronouncing the English language, at least reasonably correctly.
It's an understood contract you have with the listener.
Yeah, I think so too.
And what blew it was he was on actually coast to coast, and he said the Nazi diaspora.
And I'm sitting there thinking, what is a diaspora?
That sounds really cool.
Spores.
And then it's on me, diaspora, the Nazi diaspora.
But he would do things like that.
Well, see, I always pronounced a diaspora.
So you just.
Thank you.
Glad you called.
Okay.
Well, I wanted to clear up those things.
Do you guys ever talk about potential guests for arts?
I've got a whole long laundry list, and unfortunately, I missed redacted.
So maybe I'll call in the next time she's on and plug for some of the not people I know.
Well, I'm sure that everybody is still listening.
I want to get my list, but it's more science-oriented and in my subcategory than also UFOs.
But I will get my list and maybe call in later or call in the next time you have a show.
It's the first time I've ever actually listened.
I know of you from Nancy Burns.
Go ahead.
Oh, sweet.
Yeah, I think my primary interest when it comes to listening to Art Bell is hearing him talk about the straight-up paranormal, ghosts.
That's the thing I enjoy, I think, most.
And see, that's what's interesting because art can't play only to me.
Because when I get ghost shows or even open lines, I kind of tune to something else.
But, I mean, sometimes I'll play the show, but really not listen.
But having said that, I like the climate warming guy, that type of thing, or the volcano guy, or the Dr. Jacobs guy, the UFOs.
And he can't just play to me, and hopefully he won't just play to you.
So, I mean, that's the nature of his business.
I'm really enjoying the mix that he's doing where one will have ghosts, and the next night you'll have hard signs.
It has to be that way.
Well, I don't do the polling for his listenership.
I don't know if he's ever found out that ghosts are the biggest attraction.
I have no idea.
I think he should just do what his instincts tell him he should do.
As far as I know, that's what he's doing.
Yeah, that's the way to do it.
I know he does some polling, or someone out there does some polling, because Richard Hoagland mentioned that they've done polling as to the overflow from Art Show into Richard Hoagland's show, and there's a huge connection for that time period, which I thought was interesting.
You know, people don't just click off when Hoagland comes on.
No, if you can be on after Art Bell, really?
You want to be?
Well, they actually did numbers, too, and I think that's what I'm getting at.
I'm sure George Norrie has numbers out the wazoo.
So maybe if popular topics are what sell, I'm sure that's what George Norrie is doing.
And that whole crew, that's how they're oriented.
But again, I wanted to thank you for the trucking and let you know it was Lou and not Leo.
So don't get your hopes off.
I saw L and O, and I just inserted other vowels.
I'm sorry.
Yep.
Not a problem.
Oh, no offense taken.
I just want to get your hopes up.
So I'll talk to you some other time.
All right, buddy.
I hope the trucking thing works out for you.
And let me ask you, was the advice, I mean, that I gave you, do you?
I'm very hopeful.
But I need to find where a niche is for me because my dogs are going to stay with me.
That's a problem.
It is a problem.
Driving around in a truck with dogs is a problem both in terms of finding a trucking job that'll accept you, and it's a pain in the butt, really.
You're living in submarine conditions.
They're my kids, you know?
I understand that.
But the um well, at least some of the trucker truck companies advertise that women should take a dog for protection or at least consider taking a dog.
But there's that word on the article, a a dog.
I think they should take a gun, but you know, the thing is that commercial drivers are not allowed to carry a firearm.
Oh, that I didn't know.
Well, at any rate, yeah, I'll catch up with you later.
Okay, buddy.
Right.
Have a good night.
This is the Gabcast.
Was he soliciting advice about he wants to get into trucking?
So he asked me, Hey, you used to drive a truck.
What do I what do I got to do there, Spocky?
What's the deal?
Yeah, so that's what I'm putting out there for everybody listening right now.
If you're somebody who needs advice on getting into the truck driving industry, send me a PM at Bellgab.
I'll fill you full of information, useful information.
I will tell you the best truck stops.
I will tell you where the lot lizards will bother you the most and the least.
It just depends on what mood you happen to be in in whatever town you stop at on a given night.
I wanted to ask him how many dogs he had and what size were they.
Well, why didn't you ask him, Star Mountain?
You're a host of this show tonight.
But you were talking.
I'm sorry.
Okay, answer accepted.
I didn't want to interrupt.
Let's take another call.
How about that?
Okay.
Hi, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
You hear me?
We do.
Hi.
I apologize for my call quality.
How are you all doing?
You sound lovely.
Why would you apologize for that?
Because I'm not on a headset or anything.
I'm holding my phone to my actual head and I expect to get cancer.
Oh, no, you.
Well, that I can't make any promises with regard to, but you do sound great.
Go ahead.
Okay, that's good.
Well, it was great to hear about the troubles they've been having with Les Nessman directly from Bailey, but I want to know what Dr. Johnny Fever thinks.
Crickets?
Does anybody have a cricket drop that I can play?
Because I haven't heard Johnny Fever and I don't even remember.
That's Japanimation, right?
I spread you.
I thought turkeys could fly.
Johnny Fever is Japanimation, is it not?
I'm going to go.
Okay, I'm not getting any.
I'm going to go look it up.
I want to know if I look at Johnny Fever, will it have the big Japanimation eyes?
Johnny Fever.
I'll bet it does.
It sounds like something that would.
Isn't he the guy from that Tabian?
WAKRP.
WAKRP.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, that is right.
Okay.
I thought it was C.
Well, that was Jackstar.
I'm sure it was.
And I, so being Jackstar, I thought that it's always been my understanding that he's into Japan animation.
For some reason, I thought Johnny Fever was a Japanimation character who rides on a motorcycle.
I forgot who it was for a second.
Yeah, I used to watch that show all the time.
I loved it.
Oh, okay.
I expected to see images of a Japanimation character on a motorcycle with little beams of light behind him as he moves really fast.
Okay.
If you want to be on the show, 623-242Cast.
It is 623-242-2278.
Yeah, I remember WKRP watching it, but I was so little when that showed.
I was born in 79, and I remember seeing it on the TV as I was just bouncing about the living room.
People were watching it around me, but I don't even think that was the original run.
I think that it was on before that, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think so.
I don't think that was on in the early 80s.
Was uh, was kind of the stoner of the group.
Yeah, I know exactly.
Isn't it Martin Moll?
Isn't that who that was?
No, Martin Martin Moll was the station manager, I think.
He is the guy from Moll is the guy from Fernward Tonight, right?
I never watched that.
Wow, you never saw Fernwood Tonight.
You got to look that up.
Get on YouTube after this show and take a look at Fernwood Tonight.
I highly recommend that to everybody.
Some good classic TV land television for you.
Okay, well, I tell you what, it looks like we've pretty much blown our wad here.
I don't really know that there's much more to say about this situation.
At this point, it just looks pretty clear to me that Leo Ashcraft is not exactly accurate in some of the things he's been saying.
That's what I will say.
I mean, the producer of Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert says that he's been paid something on the order of almost $5,000, and he says it's $140,000.
So to get to the kernel of truth, we have a number that's somewhere between $140 and $5,000!
Somewhere in there, there's a nugget of truth.
And I'm beginning to think it's probably more toward the higher end of that spectrum.
This is the impression I've got.
On the upside, though, we got our redacted back tonight for a while.
Well, if only in an official capacity, yes.
Yeah, well, we got her back tonight.
That's what made me happy.
Okay.
Popul in the chat room said that Leo's blown all his dark matter network money on Arctic Chugger.
I don't understand.
Leo says he spent $10,000 of his own money, and it was brought to my attention tonight that he actually was paying people to write news copy or to write news stories, and then maybe those stories were being transformed into actual news copy that could be read verbatim by him on the air.
I don't know.
But he was actually paying people to produce this content.
So I have to wonder, is that the black hole into which that $10,000 was pumped?
I can't imagine what else it would have been.
Labor is always the most expensive cost of doing business.
That's his fault then.
Yeah.
How did he say, what was this arrangement?
Like, did he set up a company and his company then hires people to write?
Well, then he's responsible for their payments.
Or was he the employee to Dark Matter Network?
I don't know.
Here's the bungle, the big bungle, I think.
And I just think it was.
I think this is a bungle.
With this Dark Matter News thing, whoever the host was of that news segment every hour, that should have been tightly integrated into what you see when you go to artbell.com.
If you're going to have news all over artbell.com, I think that news should have been a product of your news guy.
That shouldn't have been a separate entity.
People shouldn't have a separate website.
Oh, if you want to take a look at the news pertaining to this radio, here's another website to go to.
But if you go to artbell.com, here's some other news that's generated automatically by a Python script.
But it's the same genre of news.
That's not how I think that should have worked.
It should have been, and that gets to the question of, was there some bad blood about Leo Ashcraft's news website not being linked on artbell.com?
Whether it was linked or wasn't linked, whatever.
I don't really know how much that matters.
I just think that that should have, once they had an official news guy, that news guy should have been totally responsible for all of that content that appears when you land at artbell.com.
That's how it should have been.
It's like if you're a blogger and then you get a job at a newspaper, you probably can't continue your blogging job.
Well, your side blogging job.
So he had that before he got together with her?
I don't know what the deal is.
See, that says, I don't know.
I mean, if there were bad blood that developed as a result of that, that should have been nipped in the bud.
It sounds to me like there's fault probably on both sides.
I mean, I don't necessarily get the impression that Leo is particularly credible when Heather's calling and saying that he was paid almost $5,000, but he says here's a payment that he's being sent by Keith Rowland, which is a trick he says, by the way.
He says Keith Rowland wants him to accept that payment so that it can be constitute some sort of an acceptance of that amount of money.
That's what he essentially said in a post somewhere, Leo said, a post somewhere that I read.
I just, I don't know.
I mean, if there was bad blood slowly building up, and it was in any way related to that whole thing of him, if he did or didn't, I don't know.
I don't know if he had a link on artbell.com.
Didn't Heather say he did or that he was going to have?
I don't know.
It just seems to me that shouldn't have been partitioned out.
I mean, if you've got a news guy, that's an asset.
I mean, having a guy who creates news explicitly for or writes news or delivers news explicitly for your operation, that's an asset.
So you use that asset to the fullest.
Do you think it might be possible that he was not happy and he was trying to figure out a way to get out of whatever he was doing and was using that as an excuse?
Using, well, I haven't actually seen anything from Leo himself saying that that was one of his grievances.
I just saw somebody else saying that that was one of Leo's grievances, that he had no link on artbell.com, which I think that a link really would have been inadequate anyway.
He should have been or whoever the news guy was.
Again, I've talked about what I perceive to be really the incompetence of him in that job.
But if he is the news guy, I think he should have been wholly responsible for the news content that appeared on artbell.com.
Hi, you're back on the air.
Hello.
Yeah, do you want to hear 41 recommendations for guests?
Well, why not?
Just drop it on us real quick.
No, I won't do that.
Okay.
I'll give you a few.
No, I wouldn't care if you went down the list.
Just boom, boom, boom.
Brian May, do you know who he is?
A guitarist for Queen, former.
He built his own guitar with his dad in a garage.
And he's a physicist.
Yes.
Wouldn't that be an interesting guest?
I think not.
No, I reject that one.
Next.
Go ahead.
George Takai.
Now, these are more conventional guests.
I've got articles.
He is more conventional, but I think Brian May would be an excellent recommendation.
Well, George Takai, because he was actually in one of those Japanese internment camps, I believe, when he was younger.
But obviously he was also involved with Star Trek.
When I think of George Takai, though, I think of the concentration camp.
I don't think of Star Trek.
Oh, interesting.
Really?
No, I'm kidding.
Oh, okay.
Boy, I use something else.
They did do David Darling.
Let's see.
I recommended a scientist on genetically modified foods, for example.
I thought that might be a good topic.
There's a guy, the former prime minister of Australia, is on the circuit giving talks about future conflict with China.
There's an astronomer.
Pardon me?
Let me get his pain for you.
I'm sorry.
Kevin Rudd?
Kevin Rudd.
Jezreel, why do you when you hear that?
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
Why do you not like the guy?
I just despise the guy.
Really?
Why?
I mean, like, in one sentence, why?
Well, I despise his politics.
Everything about him is a little weasel.
Is he a rightward-leaning politician or left-leaning?
Is he cancel?
Oh, well.
Is he a rightward-leaning politician or a left-wing?
He's left.
Oh, so you're a right-wing extremist as well.
I'm really not, but I don't like his party.
Well, I'm a lefty, so I'll be.
What is his party?
What do you call it?
It's called the Labour Party.
You do have a parliamentary system, right?
Yes, yes, similar to the British one.
Okay.
And do you have two major parties?
Two major parties.
There's some smaller parties, but they don't really get much love.
And is your voting system first past the post, as they say?
Or is it like a ballot system where you rank the candidates you want and then they have like an?
You rank the candidates you want.
That's uh called uh something.
It starts with an, a uh something voting.
I can't remember what it's called anyway.
Okay well, you know you can watch their parliament on on the uh internet.
If you're interested, you can also watch the English parliament debate on the internet.
Another guest would be Derek Kitts, who's head of the Franklin Observatory in Philadelphia.
He happens to be African-american, but he's obviously an astronomer who thinks we should investigate Ufos.
Did you say he's an African-american but he's an astronomer?
No no no, he is black, but we should still have him on the show because he's.
That might even be a plus if you want role models.
But uh, did Shakespeare really write?
Shakespeare, I think, is I am looking for black role models continue.
Well, did Shakespeare really write?
Shakespeare would be another example of a topic.
What is that really?
A debate that's taking place out there huge, huge.
You've got very high.
Highly uh esteemed uh actors, particularly in England, who dispute the fact that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare.
When he died he didn't own a single book.
His children were not taught to be literate.
There's no evidence that he wrote anything.
There's nothing in his hand.
When he died, the only thing he gave his wife was his the second best bed.
Um, you know, he had nothing.
There's very little hard evidence that he actually wrote these things.
So they conjecture various people as having stepped in and actually underhandedly wrote the plays.
And because it wasn't the most prestigious position at the time and actually was this uh looked down upon the uh nobility couldn't write plays and be involved with the theater that there are, certain nobles have been conjectured as actually having written the plays.
The guy Shakespeare, was never in Italy but many of his plays took place in Italy.
So they look at nobles who traveled to Italy and so forth.
But there's some, some high-powered people who believe that Shakespeare didn't really write Shakespeare.
But do you think that that idea, that notion that he didn't write, that is symptomatic of this culture we live in, in which we are told nothing we see around us is as we think it is?
Well, it's hard not to think that.
I, I agree, but there's very little hard evidence that he actually Wow, that's fascinating.
I had no idea of this.
Oh, my goodness.
I am burning all my Shakespeare books tonight.
There you go.
How about I have a professor, Mark Berkson, on ISIS, the development of ISIS?
You know, topics like this, like I said, I've got 41 to suggest.
Barry C. Fox on vaccines and epidemics.
A guy in volcanoes.
Let's see.
It takes me a little while to click on these things.
Sorry.
But you get the idea.
Tom Westcott on Jack the Ripper.
And I'm not talking about the DNA evidence.
I think that's been poo-pooed pretty convincingly.
But there's a lot of evidence, for example, that the people who ran the houses where all the prostitutes slept at night, there was like an I.
I happen to have an Irish heritage in part.
So I'm not, you know, like your black comment.
But there's some conjecture that there was an Irish mob who kind of ran the sleeping houses and they covered for each other, including for a potential true Jack the Ripper, who knew, because many of these women slept in the same house or across the street from each other at night.
Things like that.
Like I said, I've got 41.
I don't want to talk you.
If you want, I'll send them to you.
Send them to Art.
Send them to Heather.
Oh, I have.
That's why I wanted to bug Heather.
That's another thing.
I'm sure she gets that crap.
Not that yours is crap.
Actually, your list is rather impressive.
But I'll bet you she gets guest suggestions just incessantly.
Yeah, but mine are good.
Google's talking about.
Yours are good.
I mean, I would recommend your list.
And I've got like names of the people she should contact.
I have pictures of these, or excuse me, videos of these people speaking so Art can get a sense of how they might sound.
I think he's pretty heavy into what things sound like.
Who was the author you said that wrote the Jack the Ripper?
Is he the same one?
Tom Westcott.
Is that the same fellow that was on Dark City?
No, I don't think so, but he has been on other shows.
That was a different serial killer.
Okay.
Oh, that's probably the guy who says his dad was, or his grandfather, someone is home.
Right, right.
Home is from Chicago.
Yeah, that's a, you know, obviously a crop of you know what.
Let's see.
Annette Heiser talking about the rating agencies, you know, the ones that did us in with the housing crisis and thinking, and she's talking about how they ranked Greece's debt to let Greece get away with what they did and about how they're really screwing America.
Like I said, I've got videos of these people actually speaking.
So that might help Heather.
Now, you know, Heather doesn't know me from Adam, but I will send them to her again.
Here's one, Rodrigo Canales on the deadly genius of the Mexican drug cartels.
I have a video of him speaking.
But, you know, that's pretty significant, particularly to us down in the southwest of the United States.
These people are pretty powerful and violent.
So anyway, and I actually, Dark City did an episode with a different guest, I think, on that very topic, just recently.
How about 3D printing?
Abby Richtenthal.
He's the guy, I think, who started it.
So there you go.
The Dead Sea Scrolls will be another good one.
Elaine Pagels on the apocryphal books of the Bible.
Assisted suicide.
You name it.
There's a lot of different topics that I can throw out there.
And I'll bug her again, but I wanted to bug her just a tad.
Producer at artbell.com.
Yeah, I actually, that's okay.
Yes, thanks.
She said actually in the chat room to email them to us.
Oh, I already did, Heather, but I will do it again.
And my name is Lou Sheehan.
It'll come from lsh14 at students.kgi.edu.
And your home phone number.
Social security number.
I'll give you the phone number, but not that she'll use it, and that's okay.
I'm pretty open.
You can see my name.
I always put Lou Sheehan as my name.
Okay, give the number if the audience wants to call.
Okay, 717-503-8335.
And I'll talk to you guys soon, and I'll bug Heather again.
Okay, buddy.
Good night.
Thanks for calling.
And, You know, because of that list, I think he's going to make an amazing truck driver.
He's going to be fascinating as a truck driver.
Okay.
Lou?
Louis?
Who just called in?
Actually, he does sound like somebody who's well-read and learned and would have a lot to say about a lot of things, I think.
MV, I saw you write a post how you would like Art to do an extended sort of news at the beginning of the show.
You know what?
One of my favorite things about Art's show always was just Art talking at the beginning of the show.
And I always enjoyed that portion of the show.
I feel like that should be a half an hour, you know?
And I feel like this implosion of dark matter news, I feel like that's an opportunity to just say, you know what, let's make the show a little longer and let's have Art talk a little longer.
And if that doesn't happen, I would still like to see Art just talk into a microphone, listen to Art just talk into a microphone by himself, talking about the news, the events of the day, without any guests, without any callers.
Yeah, just for quite a bit longer than he currently does.
I feel like he's just going into the guests so quickly, it feels a little too premature to me.
I agree.
It feels like he's rushing straight into the guest.
And I just like art talking, especially when you listen to the classic shows years later.
It's nice to sort of hear that news again.
Yep.
I would like Art talking about the news for maybe a half hour or so.
Yeah, just there's a lot to talk about.
I mean, art is the reason why I got into Art Bell.
You know, it was not because of the genre specifically or any of that.
It was Art himself.
And so, yes, I would, I'm glad you brought that up, actually, because I hope Art's listening.
I would like him to, I would like him to talk more just by himself at the beginning of the show.
I think a lot of people would agree with that and concur as well.
So, okay, everybody.
Well, thank you for listening to the cab cast tonight.
We hope you enjoyed tonight's show.
We hope that what we delivered imparted upon you some wisdom, some knowledge, some information that you might not otherwise have had previously.
And I want to thank Star Mountain.
I want to thank Aldous Burbank.
I want to thank Jasmunda for being a part of the show tonight.
Thanks to Heather for calling in.
And everybody else who called in, including Lewis and Jackstar called in, I think, and a few other people.
I just, I'm too intoxicated to recall.
Have a good night, everybody.
Thank you.
See you guys.
Thank you.
That's a little delayed.
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