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17 February, 2014

17 February, 2014 ---------- This episode of the GabCast brings a lenthy discussion about the paranormal. The hosts (Jazmunda, Onan, b_dubb & Eddie Dean) share their opinions about what paranormal topics are the most believable. An unexpected prize is awarded to Unscreened Caller. (Thanks Agent Orange!) CampsieNP calls to join in the conversation.

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Hey, everybody.
It's the GabCast.
What's going on, guys?
If you guys want to be a part of the show tonight, the number is 602-399-7131.
I'm Eddie Dean.
Tonight, we've got Onan Jasmunda and V-Dub with us.
Hello.
What's up, everybody?
What's happening, guys?
Not much.
Yep.
I know.
We're all waiting for somebody else to say something.
Oh, hi.
For being polite.
And so...
And let's wrap up the show now.
That's it.
Good night, everybody.
Good night, everybody.
Paranormal topics.
Is there any paranormal topic that you still believe in now?
I still think UFOs are plausible.
However, I think 98%, 99% of the stories out there are total nonsense.
Yeah, I'm not sold on the whole abduction thing.
Oh, yeah, that's just ridiculous.
Yeah, but and I think that the majority of UFOs, as in unidentified flying objects, probably can be explained away.
I think there's some fundamental skill to perhaps having some sort of extrasensory perception.
I don't see it, but I like to believe it's possible.
Because really, none of it can be proved.
Well, I'd say that's a long ways for some of it.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
The majority of things cannot be proven in the paranormal field with hard evidence or else, you know, it would be broadcast from every nightly news, you know.
It would UFOs or whatever.
EVPs or abductions.
Telekinesis.
Telekinesis.
I've never seen anyone do that.
Never seen a video of someone.
I mean, I've seen videos, but you can prove that it's not a fake.
So that telekinesis just reminded me that's moving objects with your brain, right?
Just with your thoughts.
I mean, if someone could do that, that'd have a show, you know?
Well, I tell you what, I was watching some amazing Randy videos this weekend, and he was, he debunked Uri Geller.
He was a paranormal guy that claimed to be able to move objects, bend spoons, that was his big thing.
But I saw a video of him on Johnny Carson and I was doing it too.
Yeah, and James Randy brought out the, you know, the spoons and whatever.
And Yuri, I believe what he says is, I don't feel very strong right now, so I can't do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I actually saw that live.
Yeah.
All right.
Was that in the 70s or is that early 80s?
I guess it doesn't matter.
No, that was in the 70s, Early to mid-70s.
What about EVPs or remote viewing?
I think remote viewing is nonsense.
Yeah, like I still don't actually understand what remote viewing actually is.
Like, it's not being psychic, obviously.
No.
But what actually is it?
It's like you leave your body and you can go just anywhere and basically do reconnaissance.
It's like a controlled out-of-body experience where you deliberately go somewhere and take notes and then report back.
It would be like clarinets.
Yeah, but they claim that this can be taught to anyone.
Yeah.
Well, Ed Dames claims that it's a good person, yeah.
For a price, of course.
It's like Scientology.
You have to write a check and then you get your superpowers.
Yes.
And for you, it's going to cost 10 times as much.
But I remember when I first heard about remote viewing, I was absolutely fascinated by it because, first of all, I couldn't grasp what it was.
Like, I didn't know whether it was psychic or not.
But it just fascinated me.
But then as the years progressed and mainly Ed Dames was never getting anything right, you know, I started to say, hmm, maybe there's nothing to this after all.
But Ed would say that he got everything right.
Yeah, but then I listened to many, many classic R Bell shows with him on it and nothing didn't get anything right.
I'm still waiting for the shot across the bow.
It's just nonsense.
And saying there's going to be an earthquake in Japan is like saying the sun's going to come up tomorrow.
I mean exactly.
And also ejections from the sun.
It just happens.
If you make enough predictions and you draw enough remote viewing drawings or whatever it is they do, some of them are going to be correct.
Just by sheer chance.
Yeah.
It's like astrology.
If it's sufficiently vague, then it's right.
You know?
And you notice.
Go ahead.
Who do you think is more full of shit?
Ed Dames or John Hoag?
Ed Dames, I believe.
Well.
Oh, really?
Hoag's got two parts to his personality.
It's all his whatever he presents.
And it's the, you know, the Nostradama stuff where he's interpreting what Nostradama says.
And then he's now also a psychic.
So his psychic point of view is definitely being.
He's a shyster.
Surprised guy with the long beard.
Yeah.
I'd like to punch him in the face.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Especially after his last appearance on Dark Matter.
Yeah, what was that all about?
I did not hear.
I listened to the whole show, and I think I listened to it twice.
I listened to the replay the next week or the next day.
I did not see where Art was talking over him or trying to cut his...
Well, I did hear where Art was trying to cut his answer short because Hogue has a tendency to speak for 20 minutes when you ask him one question.
Well, see, John Hoag is really an excellent argument for why, regardless of how much money you have, you should never, ever give your kids like a trust fund because then they'll never get a job and they'll never grow up and they'll just become these like, you know, old spoiled brats who've never really had to do anything.
It's just been handed to them.
With mystic powers or mystic powers, a mystic beard with pieces of pepperoni jammed in it.
Is that how he got to start?
Trust fund?
Oh, well, I mean, his parents were in show business and he's never had a job in his entire life.
So like, it's just a guess.
It's a hunt.
It's a good gig if you can get it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a hunt.
I don't remember the show, quite honestly.
Listen to any of the dark matter shows since they went off.
Yeah, but there was a battle between art and Hoag on the Facebook, I think on Hoag's Facebook page or on his webpage where he was, he wrote basically a short novel about what an asshole Bell was.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that got posted on the on the forum, I think.
I think that's where I read it.
What are you going to do?
What did he call himself?
I didn't go to college.
I went to the school of Rhodes Scholar or something.
Somehow he's like smarter than everyone else because he kind of taught himself that canard.
It's like, yeah, I never went to college, but I'm really smart because I read a lot of books, so I have a lot of life's experiences.
You know, until you've had that collegial challenge, until you've had the discussion to see both sides of the issue, you're just a schmuck.
I'm sorry.
Oh, well, yeah, my opinion shouldn't come out that strongly.
You heard it here.
If you don't have a college degree, you're a douche.
That's true.
Life experience means nothing.
I think if you claim some amount of authority with no actual credentials behind your name, yeah, you probably should hold it back a bit.
So it sounds a little bit like Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Is that the alien in the freezer guy?
Yeah, of course, and he's not actually a doctor.
And I don't think his actual name is Dr. John Reed or whatever.
Yeah, it's something else.
It's Ritter or I remember reading about that guy and his real name and his background of scamming people, ex-girlfriends and whatnot.
I can't remember the website that I was reading that on, but when he was on Dark Matter this last time, well, the first and only time, I suppose, I was researching him and the alien in the freezer story, and there was some website that was debunking basically everything that he said and interviewing people that were in his life that he basically scammed.
And he always talked about being famous and trying to come up with something to be in the public guy.
I think I saw somewhere where he actually was like a clerk in a convenience store.
Yeah.
Now, I mean, I read that on the internet, so who knows if it's true or not.
But if you've seen his pictures of his flying saucer or the alien in the freezer, then you're like, well, yeah, that explains a lot.
Yeah.
You know, the thing that gets me, the people that tell these stories, because we cue off of if we believe they believe what they're saying, you know, if you can listen to somebody's story, no matter how outlandish it is, if they believe it, then it seems to add a little bit more credibility or believability in the story itself.
Sure does.
And also, I think it's sometimes that it seems that art believes it.
So him believing it sort of makes you believe it a little bit.
I was just on the forum today.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but that's all right.
You know, somebody posted that I don't really remember how it unfolded, but the basic line the guy finally finished with was R Bell doesn't really believe any of it.
You know, he just put it out there to entertain people.
I think they said it much more eloquently than I did.
Yeah, I can see that.
I think he's more of a skeptic than he leads on.
Yeah, but he's not going to be able to do that.
You know what?
He never did.
He never pulled up people for some of the BS.
Like, he never pulled up Ed Dames ever.
He never kept track.
He never kept scored.
He did.
By pulled up.
He did Hoagland a couple times.
You mean by pulled up, you mean calling out?
Yeah, call it up.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Here's the thing.
What really upsets me is he lets Dr. Reed, John Reed, or whoever that guy is, just go on and on and on.
And he brings it back for Dark Matter, but then he should never have come back for Dark Matter.
No, that was a mistake.
But then when he has Crescent on the show, he bans him.
But Creskin is a mentalist, or I don't know what he refers to himself as, but it's like, it's not magic.
He's not summoning UFOs or whatever.
It's massive.
I think the issue was that...
It was a publicity stunt at that time.
I think Crescent made the claim that if something did or didn't happen, he would donate a large sum of money to some children's foundation.
And then he reneged on that.
And I think that's what really got him in the crosshairs.
And it wasn't only that he reneged on it, which is a big part, but it was also he claimed that, oh, it did happen.
It just happened somewhere else or something.
No, people, some people in the crowd reported seeing UFOs.
Yes.
And then he's because of that, and who knows whether they were plants or not.
And because of that, he claimed that, oh, some people saw UFOs, so I'm not paying.
Well, Camp CNP just posted that she thinks Art might have had a financial interest with Ed Dames.
I think that's an astute observation.
I think that's quite possible.
Really?
You think he got a piece of the remote viewing classes that Dames did or all the DVDs that he had?
It wouldn't surprise me.
No, I think it's just entertainment.
I think Dames was someone that everyone loved to hate.
And I think when you have someone like Ed Dames, where people hate him, they tend to listen even more because he's on.
So for art, it was beneficial for him to have Ed Dames on and on and on and never pull him up for anything.
Yeah, controversy equals ratings, definitely.
Yeah.
I mean, look at Howard Stern.
More people that hate him listen to what he was going to say next.
Yeah.
Type of thing.
Yeah, but he was hysterically funny.
Yes.
Well, at times, wildly upsetting.
I remember when I really got Howard Stern, I was watching, I guess he was on E.
This is back in like the mid-90s.
It was probably like 95.
And there was some girl that wanted to get a music, like a music contract or she wanted to be a singer and she wanted to get a record deal.
So she agreed to come on the Howard Stern show and he would let her sing a song.
But while she was singing, he spank her with a flounder, spank her bare ass with a flounder.
And she, here she is, bent over, like trying to sing the song, and he's spanking her bare ass with this cold, dead fish.
And I was like, oh, yeah, I totally get it.
He's making fun of these people for being willing to like degrade themselves to this point just to have a shot at fame or whatever.
Instead of doing it the old school way where you get, you know, start singing, form a band, you put together a record and you try and promote yourself.
And these people are like, I want to, you know, fast track to, you know, whatever.
So we should try that on this show, except I don't have a flounder.
I just have a can of tuna.
So start singing, buddy.
If I had a good voice, I would.
You know, when I first got into the paranormal, the whole paranormal topic, listening to Coast to Coast, when I first heard Dames, I mean, I believed it.
I'm like, wow, this is amazing.
I can't, you know, I can't believe this isn't on the nightly news or this isn't a bigger, this isn't a bigger story.
And you can add that to just about any topic, you know, whether UFOs or abductions or EVPs or any of that.
You know, it's amazing if you're able to suspend disbelief.
It's really entertaining.
I agree.
The downfall is Google.
Or if you decide to do independent research on these people or the topics, you can find out that everything they're saying is not absolutely true.
Yeah, you know, that's probably a really big issue because when I was first doing the show, you had the internet, but if you were really going to do any research, you had to go through like, what was it?
The news newsgroups.
Well, there were a couple of, like, there was AOL, but then there was a precursor to AOL called Comp.
It wasn't CompuSA.
CompuServe?
CompuServe.
And you could do research, but everything was like a dollar and a quarter a minute.
You know, who wanted to spend that?
Yeah.
And big walls of text.
And yeah, it's not the same.
It's not the same internet that we have today.
Thank God.
I kind of miss the old days of the wild west of the internet.
It's still a wild bust.
Just better.
Just better pictures and faster downloading.
More porn.
Yeah, I don't miss the telephone, having to get on the internet through the telephone line, and it takes a minute and a half before it actually connects and links.
What was your point there?
I don't know.
You're saying the old days of the internet.
Oh, yeah.
The dial-ups were fun.
While we're still on the paranormal, I just want to go around and see if you believe in ghosts.
Any of you boys?
What's your thoughts on that?
What type of ghosts?
Any ghost?
Any ghost.
Regularly household variety ghost.
Meaning a ghost is from beyond.
Something happens after you die.
Yeah.
And that's what I'm saying.
Whatever.
Like whether it's just someone who didn't move on.
Yeah.
You know, I probably get a lot of shit for this, but I do believe it.
I believe it in part.
Yeah.
Not a believer.
I would like to be.
I don't think there was many things that would tickle me more is to wake up tomorrow and find out that a lot of the spirituality stuff has actually got some basis in fact.
But I ain't seen none of it, so I don't know.
Well, you do.
I'm going to post, I have a story that I posted in the forum, probably one of the first posts I ever made about an experience I had.
I didn't see anything, but I definitely sensed a presence where I felt like I was convinced that someone was in the room with me to the point where I was talking to an empty room.
And so I was standing there in this room.
It was an upstairs bedroom in my great-grandmother's house, and I'd never been in this 14.
I'd never been in this house before.
And suddenly I was kind of looking around, putting my nose where it shouldn't be, really.
I was looking through my great-grandmother's stuff just to amuse myself.
So you were wearing her clothes, right?
No, I was.
Looking through underwear drawer.
No.
Sorry, go ahead.
Okay.
So.
Sorry.
That's all right.
And then suddenly I had this sense that someone was in the room with me.
And I was standing there going, hello, who's here?
Hello?
And it was like, you know, there were like three pieces of furniture in the room.
There was an old bed.
There was two dressers.
And there was no bedclothes on the bed.
And it was just, it was pretty barren.
It was pretty obvious that no one was in the room, but I was convinced that there was someone there.
And I was like looking under the bed and looking under the dressers.
What tipped it off for you?
Was it just a feeling you had?
It was just like a feeling that someone was right there with me.
And I noticed there was a closet in the back of the room.
And I went back and looked in the closet and noticed the closet kind of went behind the wall and it was almost like a hallway.
And then it made another turn.
I walked down through the closet and around the corner.
And I really thought someone was going to be standing there looking at me and there was no one there.
And the whole time I'm doing this, I'm saying, hello, who's here?
Hello, who's here?
Were you scared at all?
Oh, I was terrified.
My heart was pounding.
And I went, I looked through the rest of the house, and all the other bedrooms were basically empty.
And then I went downstairs, and my Aunt Margot was sitting there with my mom and my great-grandmother.
And my Aunt Margot was like, who are you talking to up there?
And I just kind of stood there for a second.
And then I was like, did someone die in that room?
And they all kind of looked at each other with their mouths open.
And I can't remember who said this.
I think it was my Aunt Margot was like, yeah, your great grandfather died in that room of cancer.
I can't really explain it.
I went back into that room later that day and didn't feel that presence.
And I've been, I went back, you know, a year or two years later and didn't feel anything.
It was just that one time.
That's really weird.
I've had feelings where it felt like somebody else was in the room as well.
I don't think I pursued it as much as you did, but, you know, there's just, you can feel somebody's energy or it's sometimes you can tell by how it sounds.
You can, even if you can't hear them walking up, you can hear the air change behind you.
You know, it's, it seems like it's denser.
And this is not being with ghosts, but with regular people.
But I've had those feelings before, too, and nobody was there of a presence behind me.
No, there was only one other time I've ever had that feeling.
And it was, I was in like an historical house.
Basically like an old mansion that this family had.
I think it was in Vincennes, Indiana.
I was standing there at the entrance to this bedroom.
It was the children's bedroom.
And suddenly I was overcome with that same sensation and it really freaked me out.
And I basically ran out of the building.
And then when I got outside, I realized like the only other time I'd ever felt that sensation was at my great grandmother's house.
And I ran back into the house and went up to where that bedroom was and looked at this little plaque that they had on the wall that kind of told the story of this kid that lived in that room.
And you read through the story and you see that he died of like scarlet fever or something in that actual in his bedroom there at some point.
So I don't, I don't know.
It's just a just a weird coincidence.
Well, they've done, I don't really know a lot about this.
I've just read a couple of brief articles over the years.
They've done some studying on that in The sensation of spirituality, and they've put these helmets on people that have magnetic fields.
And it does bring about those kind of feelings.
So I don't know what that means.
Yeah, I mean, I've considered the possibility that, you know, it could be like an exposed, some kind of faulty electrical wiring that's creating a magnetic field, and that's triggering the sensation.
But honestly, like in a house that's like quasi-abandoned, I don't know where that would have come from.
I don't think it has to be external.
I think there might be something that's going on inside of you.
There are, this is getting out of my realm of expertise, but there are types of epilepsy that bring about spiritual feelings.
No, images.
Thinking you're seeing stuff that's not really there.
And, you know, I don't know a lot about this, but I know that there's research done on it.
I think we've all had the when you wake up, first wake up in the morning and you're startled awake in the middle of the night and it feels like somebody's around.
Yeah.
That might be tapping into part of just the brain rewiring or something strange chemically going on in the brain.
Well, we are, as creatures, we are problem solvers.
That's what our brains try to do best, gather all the information they can and then make some coherency out of it.
So if all of a sudden you've got this uncomfortable feeling, you might jump into giving it a meaning that wasn't really there to begin with, but now it is and you're going to try to put that together to make it work.
I don't know.
You're on the air.
Hi, it's unscreened.
How are you?
Hey.
I mean, how are you?
How are you?
How are you?
Oh, just fine.
Thank you.
And you.
How are things in Queens?
It is Queens.
It's not Brooklyn, not Bronx, not Westchester.
It's Queens.
It's that Fran Dreshner accent that I'm trying to get rid of.
But it's not at all annoying.
It's not as annoying as Fran Dresher's accent.
Thank you for saying that.
It's delightful.
I can't believe it.
Because I've been working on it.
Even compare Fran Dresher is that's not an accent.
That's like a disorder.
That's always a pleasure to hear you unscreened.
Well, thank you very much.
I called up with.
Go ahead.
I called up with my one and only, well, I have several supernatural stories, but this is my biggie.
When my stepfather passed away, the day after he was buried, I was at my mother's house, and the phone rang very early in the morning.
And we picked the phone up, and I heard doll, but it sounded like it was really far away, like doll, doll, like that.
And I was like, who is this?
Who is this?
Because I couldn't really figure out who was on the phone.
And I got no answer, just doll.
And then the voice on the phone said, take care of you, mother.
And it clicked, and the phone went dead.
And the only person who called me doll was my stepfather.
So that is my big ghost story, my phone call from the dead.
Okay, I guess goosebumps.
That's strange.
That's a scary story.
Did you recognize the voice at all?
It was like a voice that was staticky.
It was like not an EDP voice exactly, but very staticky and very far away.
But I can hear doll distinctly, and he really was the only one who called me doll.
So I couldn't figure out, we asked everybody, we asked my mother's friends, could not figure it out.
How old are you?
It still gets me.
How old was I?
Oh, 21, 22.
Was this prior to him passing or like prior to you finding out that he had passed away?
Well, he had, I had come out to mother's house.
She had called me to tell me, he testified rather suddenly.
He had his kidneys shut down.
So as I'm driving out there, I didn't know he had died.
And I got out there and found out that he had.
And she had the wake and everything.
And this might have been maybe four or five days later.
It was very, very, very sudden, though.
Very sudden.
And he didn't get a chance to say goodbye to anybody either because when his kidney shut down, he was kind of really out of it.
So I don't know.
Maybe that was his way of saying goodbye.
But it was just odd that he said, take care of your mother.
That was the thing that struck me.
Did you all take care of the mother?
Did he contact anybody else or did anything else strange happen to his wife or your mother or any kids or any other relatives?
Just me.
Just me.
But I'm the one who always, I'm the one that things like that happen to more often than not.
So I'm not surprised.
You know, I mean, I've had, when my mother passed away, I had a dream about her.
I was really worried because she had also passed away and we let her pass away because she was really ill.
And I was worried that we did the wrong thing.
And I had a dream maybe three weeks later.
And she said I didn't want chemotherapy.
She told me, you know, in her dream.
And I thought, well, geez, mom really did visit me.
I think, I don't know.
But I'm the only one that these things do happen to.
I guess maybe I'm open to it.
Don't know.
Yeah, I often have dreams about my grandparents that have passed away.
And in these dreams, they talk to me, but I can never hear them.
And I don't know what they're saying.
And it's a little bit unsettling because you sort of, you want to, you know, you want to hear their voice.
And I don't know if it's because I can't remember what they sound like, but, you know, I can remember what they look like.
And they talk to me and I can't understand.
So it's a bit sad.
Oh, that's sad.
Yeah.
Is there anything?
They were saying, stop calling dark matter every night.
How dare you ruin dark matter?
Well played.
So is there any paranormal topic that you don't believe in anymore on screen?
That maybe you once did?
You know, I do believe in UFOs.
Actually, because I worked with a D52 pilot years ago, and he said, really keep an open mind.
He told me a lot of things that were, because I was very skeptical, and now I'm not, because his friends swear things, they will see things, and they don't report them.
I think maybe Bigfoot, you know, there's so much nonsense, so much with the blood tests and all the rest of it.
I don't really, if there was a Bigfoot, wouldn't it have been found by now?
Yeah.
I mean, a skull or something by outward?
I would think so.
The thing that bothers me about that is, okay, so they say there's a Bigfoot, and so nobody can find him.
Nobody can find any body.
So then they seem to concoct a story.
Well, they bury their own dead.
So that's why you can't find them.
Shifting to another dimension when they die.
Yeah, they take something that's hard to believe, and then they just make it even more ridiculous and outlandish.
Yeah.
Just to cover all their tracks or whatever it is.
There are apes that, I don't know if it's orangutans or chimpanzees that either bury their dead or something along those lines.
I mean, besides humans, we're not the only creature that buries their dead.
But I'm inclined to think that Bigfoot's nonsense.
I mean, you know, because no one's found like a corpse or like body parts.
Basically every like this whole DNA thing with George Knapp and the veterinarian, that was just nonsense.
And what was really embarrassing for George Knapp, in my opinion, was how he was just like, this is proof and it's true.
And, you know, mainstream media is just being irresponsible and not reporting this.
And then it turns out to be, you know, this woman who was not a geneticist had contaminated her samples.
And that's why she had found all these screwy findings.
And it was all nonsense.
Really?
Yeah, you're not going to see much genetic.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Unscreen College.
He really bought into that.
And big time.
I was a little surprised at that, quite honestly.
That surprised me.
Yeah, and then like she publishes her findings in a journal that had never existed prior to her paper.
You know, it was like she invented the journal so that she could get her paper published.
And it was just so obvious.
But, you know, what's interesting is I saw a British geneticist, an actual geneticist, not someone who was doing genetics, but actually was trained in something else, a British geneticist who had run a test on something that was supposedly a Yeti or abominable snowman from like the Himalayan area.
And it turned out to be genetically identical to some polar bear that had gone extinct 15,000 years ago.
I don't know if you guys had seen that.
No, I didn't.
No.
I thought that was pretty interesting.
Campsey MP in the chat room has asked, what about crop circles?
So what do you guys think about crop circles?
Is it Doug and Dave making crop circles or is it something paranormal?
At first, that was pretty crazy to see those.
Yeah, I don't believe them anymore.
It's just a bunch of drunk guys out there with boards making circles.
Do you think a bunch of drunk guys could do such elaborate patterns?
Yes.
If they were sober when they started, then yes.
You know, it's like we have these people that have the technology to transverse millions of light years, and the way they want to communicate with us is by bending corn stalks.
It doesn't seem to add up.
But they're bent.
They're not really broken.
That proves it.
You know I'm scared.
Yeah.
That was always strange to me.
That was the proof that it was an alien that bent the cornstalks because they weren't actually broken.
They were just bent over ever so gently.
Yes.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous.
And I think, like, I saw, I don't know if you've ever seen this show, Factor Faked.
They did.
Yeah, it's pretty.
It's really with Will Riker?
No.
Oh, I'm thinking about it.
It's a guy, the guy that's kind of the head dude is like an ex-FBI agent.
And what they do is they get like a team of people together who are either really good with photography or special effects or has science background.
And what they do is they take a case where someone has either photographed or videotaped some kind of phenomenon or some occurrence and they try to replicate it.
And it's a pretty interesting show.
And one of the things they did for, say, like animal mutilations was they to look at, so how, you know, people are always talking about how this surgical precision, you know, how things are cut out.
And one of the things they looked at is could they replicate that?
Say, like, if like a corpse was like a body, like an animal's corpse or whatever was like decomposing and there was like all this gas building up inside it, would that cause the skin to tear or the hide?
And that would, they were like, yeah, you know, that looks pretty similar to what they're reporting in these animal mutilations.
And it really seemed like after they sat down and did that, that it was like basically all the weird shit that people record, report with animal mutilations, they basically explained.
But people continue to act like that's just like, oh, yeah, that's just obviously, you know, the result of aliens coming and stealing bodies.
Experimenting on cows and stuff.
Why wouldn't they find human bodies out in the same manner as they do the cows?
You know, if aliens are experimenting with cows, wouldn't they experiment with humans too?
They're not really experimenting.
The McDonald's and their planet's out of hamburgers.
Nice.
They're making fun of it.
That's the plot from a Peter Jackson movie, Bad Taste.
Have you seen it?
No.
No, I haven't.
Where these aliens, it's like this alien comes to Earth and he's like the CEO of a galactic fast food chain and they're here to harvest people to put in their sandwiches.
In their sandwiches?
Yeah, it's called Bad Taste.
Get it?
And anyway, so I think alien abduction is easily explained by sleep paralysis.
And I always would look back and think of like the Betty and Barney Hill story that that was like maybe one that was pretty credible or whatever.
But then I listened to the Skeptoid podcast where the guy kind of took apart the Betty and Barney Hill story.
Yeah.
And apparently she was obsessed with aliens and UFOs prior to their abduction, which is kind of strange.
But, you know, Barney had passed away like a couple of years after that incident.
And it's another situation where hypnosis came into play.
So in hypnosis, you know, people act like hypnosis.
There's like some kind of special kind of hypnosis where it's like medical and it's all very scientific and blah, blah, blah.
And really, there's no difference between the kind of hypnosis that who was the guy that did all like the famous UFO abduction guy.
He was a painter, but then he would, he primarily did UFO abduction hypnotherapy as like his main job.
I can't remember.
He was kind of a big, big, a big name in that field.
But anyway, he passed away a few years ago.
There's no difference between that kind of hypnosis and the hypnosis that like a magician will do in Vegas as part of a lounge act where they get someone up in front of the audience and they make them take their clothes off and run around and act like a rabbit or all that crazy stuff.
I don't know that I buy that.
I was once.
Well, I don't think the lounge acts are, I don't know.
But I find it, I'm pretty skeptical about that stuff.
But I have been hypnotized.
And I got to tell you, it was one of the most freaky experiences I've ever had.
A friend of mine for a birthday present gave me a free pass to go have a past life regression.
And I went and this guy put this headset on my head and he said, I'm going to make a recording of this that you can have.
So anyway, he started and then the headset started playing some really freaky, that's probably not the right word, but sounds and this guy started counting backwards on this sound track and was full of reverb and echo and it changed volume.
And all I know is that at some point I didn't know where I was anymore.
And I started having cubric type visual sensations.
Really?
Yeah, it was astounding.
I don't want to go into all of it because some of it, quite honestly, was really personal.
But it really was phenomenal.
I don't know how to say it.
So I know that there's something about hypnosis that's pretty valid.
How good it is at recalling past events, I don't know.
But I would do that again if somebody else paid for it.
Well, you can create false memories under hypnosis, and that's what's dangerous about it because you ask a leading question.
And because you're characterized by a state of where you're being like highly suggestive.
And so you enter into that state and then you start, you know, if you did a past life regression, you'd say, go back to when you were a baby.
Okay, now I'm back where I'm a baby.
And then they say, well, what happened before that?
And that's a leading question because it assumes there was a before.
And so you start to generate false memories to accommodate the hypnotherapist.
The part of the recording that I was given when my past life regression thing was done, he didn't really ask too many leading questions.
He did make suggestions.
We're going to go back.
We're going to go back.
And what do you see?
And I, you know, I don't see anything.
I just think I'm looking up, not sure.
I don't see nothing.
And it was like 30 minutes of me not seeing anything.
So I don't know, but leading into that trans state was phenomenal.
I do that again in a heartbeat.
So you weren't Alexander the Great.
Everyone who gets regressed seems to be someone important in history.
No one's ever a farmer or a peasant or a clerk or something.
I was a pizza roll technician in an earlier life.
You know, unscreen caller called in earlier and we lost her.
I was going to tell her this before we lost the connection, but you won a book on screen caller.
Agent Orange, we gave a book away to Agent Orange back in December.
It's the coming global superstorm.
He has offered to send that book along to the next bell gabber.
He finished reading it and he called in a couple shows ago and brought this idea up and I thought it was terrific.
So unscreen caller, I will PM you and we can figure it out.
And we, not us, but Agent Orange will send you this book.
And when you're done with it, then you can sign it and we can give it to the next person.
I think it's a cool idea.
Yeah, I think that's awesome.
You're on the air.
Hi, guys.
It's Campsey.
How are you?
Hey, what's up, Campsey?
Hey, Campsey, how are you?
Hey, love you guys.
Great show tonight, as always.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Do you have a ghost story?
No.
A paranormal story?
Well, no, I have a movie recommendation.
I just was watching on Netflix, and I don't know if any of you are fans of The Shining, but they have a documentary on Netflix where they part of the movie.
Wasn't that great?
What did you think about the moon landing film?
There were so many connections I started getting a headache, but it's phenomenal.
Yeah, the shiny room 237.
Yeah.
And evidently, Stanley Kubrick changed the room number to 237, which is how many miles away the moon is from Earth.
And the one part is where the kid, the creepy kid, everybody's creepy in the movie, but where he has the Apollo sweater on.
I know, wasn't it?
I was just like, wow.
Yeah, I thought that I just had to recommend that to other people.
And I really enjoyed it.
I'm a huge fan of the movie.
And it was just to see all the different things that were in there.
Yeah.
And the subtle imagery and the scenery behind it.
There's a lot of stuff.
It's not just about the moon landing that might have been a hoax, but it's also about the oppression of Indians.
I mean, just so many different things.
Just want to wind up.
Yeah, it's worth your time to watch.
It really is.
Although I got to tell you about the one thing that kind of made me laugh was when what's the actor's name?
Barry Sullivan?
Yes.
I won't go into it because I don't want to ruin it for anybody, but you know what I'm talking about?
Absolutely.
It's like, okay, this might be a bit of a stretch.
It was a stretch, but it was, of course, Kubrick, I mean, madman genius, who knows?
But they had so many things in that movie, and nothing's chance.
And it was just, and I've been a fan of that movie for years.
When it first came out, I saw it in the theater.
And when there was, every time the two little twins would show up, there were these teenagers in the theater that would start screaming, laughing.
It kind of ruined the movie.
So to this day, what, 30 years later, every time I see those two little twins pop up, I think of those two little ass bags who ruined the movie for me.
Nevertheless, it's classic film.
Did I say that?
Yes, you did.
And it was glorious.
Yeah, you know.
I'm a nurse.
You know, we have mouths on us, right?
On an exactly.
Yes.
I don't know if anyone is aware of this story that's kind of around Kubrick and Apollo moon landing and NASA, but when Kubrick filmed Barry Linden, I don't know if you're familiar with that movie.
He used a special camera that NASA had developed.
It was one of three cameras like it in the world.
And it was worth an ungodly amount of money, like millions of dollars.
But NASA just was like, here you go.
You can just use this to shoot this film.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Yeah.
And the kind of myth of the story or whatever that's come out of this relationship is that when they were filming 2001 Space Odyssey, they were also filming the moon landing.
Not that they didn't go to the moon, but that NASA and government, maybe even up to the president, were concerned that if you went to the moon and then none of the pictures came out, then that would be like a major disappointment.
Right.
Because, I mean, it's disappointing if you go on vacation and your photographs, you know, back in the days when you had film, they didn't turn out.
That would be a real pisser.
But if you went like, you know, 15,000 miles or whatever at the peril of life and limb and then came back, none of the photographs turned out, that'd be really upsetting.
I had the lens cap off.
I'm not saying I believe that story.
I'm saying it's pretty interesting.
What do you mean you didn't bring the batteries?
One thing that I heard is Kubrick could not have hoaxed the whole moon landing because he was busy with that, with 2001.
Neil, you forgot to take the lens cap off.
I think that whoever came out with calling it a hoax was brilliant in figuring out a way to make a buck off of something.
But I believe the moon landing really happened.
I was a real nerd for the NASA program and going to the moon.
I bought a telescope so I could see the reflectivity of some of the stuff that was left on the landing sites.
So I'm pretty sure it really happened.
Yeah.
I think that's pretty much a stretch.
And I think a lot of the things they say is there's a rock that has the letter A on it, and that's some sort of a prop letter or the shadows are wrong or something.
And I've seen plenty of things that sufficiently debunked all of the people that say that, you know, that use that as evidence that we never landed on the moon.
Of course they're there because there are boxes up there that we shoot lasers at to judge the distance from Earth to the moon.
Yeah.
Mythbusters actually even did a debunking of the debunking, you know, so basically it was real, so I believe them.
Thanks for the comments.
Actually, I just want to thank Camsey because of her recommendation currently downloading that room 237 and it has seven minutes to go.
So you got to love the internet.
Yes.
I want to know why don't we have, you know, we've got Google Earth and you can look and you can see your house and where you work and all that.
Why don't we have a Google moon or a Google Mars?
Surely we have the people working on that.
Ask Asian Orange.
I'm pretty sure that stuff's out there.
Or Xpat or I'm pretty sure they could point you in the right direction.
I think there is a Google Mars or a Google Moon.
I seem to remember that.
I think so too.
You should be sure.
There is.
I'm looking at it right now.
Google Moon.
Google.com slash moon.
I don't believe your eyes.
There's no structures.
Are you telling me that Richard C. Hoagland has been lying to me?
I want to see the glass.
Where are the glass domes?
Well, clearly, here are the transformers.
And there you go.
The Transformers are here, and then the giant...
Where's CP3O's head?
Yeah, the giant rectangle that was in 2001 Space Odyssey is right over here.
I was never so disappointed when I first read the book by Hoagland when it first came out.
Dude, you read one of his books?
Well, I was paid to actually do a review of it.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, well, you got paid.
That's something.
It was one of the most poorly written things I've ever read.
But the fantasy and the fiction around the face on the Mars is, man, I wanted that so much to be a real thing.
I just, that hit me like very few things ever have.
And, you know, then, you know, you become rational again and you realize, wait a minute.
That's a.
It's all about the data.
Yeah, I want the face on Mars to be true, too.
But he can't let it go.
I mean, he's been proven to be wrong for the 70s, what was it, the Viking or Voyager, whatever it was, the satellite that went over that took those pictures.
You know, they're from a certain angle and it's pixelated or whatever.
And it looks like a face.
But then the updated pictures, you know, it does not look like a face at all, not even close.
Man, that's because NASA's trying to hide the data from you.
It's a NASA conspiracy, I'm telling you.
Didn't he used to say that it was because the sun was in a certain spot and they did it on purpose?
They took the pictures at this time because excuse, excuse, excuse.
It's just like the whole Bigfoot excuses things, you know?
They have to come up with some sort of an excuse to combat the reality, I suppose.
Yeah.
But what about the helicopters and the hieroglyphs in Egypt, man?
What about that?
And the crop circles.
Okay, so we've debunked almost every coast to coast AM topic.
So someone remind me again why we listen to this show.
I don't.
No, not the current incarnation.
There are people that post on the forum that still listen to that that I greatly respect.
And for the life of me, I'm like, what draws you to this?
I mean, you know, when my dog goes and takes a shit, I'm not out there going like, ooh, I got to get a piece of that.
I just, I don't get it.
I just, I just don't get it.
You're talking about Nori, the personality.
Oh, and you're really messing out.
I'm what?
I'm messing up.
You're really missing out, man.
That's some good shit.
Go ahead, Jazz.
We're talking all over the world.
I'm talking about the topics, the coast-to-coast topics, whether it's art or idiot shit face, Nori.
We're still, like, if art was on the air, we'd be listening to him every night.
And here we are debunking every single topic, every single guest.
So what draws us to it?
What keeps us coming back for more?
Yes.
We're skeptical, but we're not like saying it's impossible.
But we're just saying, we're being rational here.
We're saying, you know, if Nori.
Go ahead.
Where's the beat?
If Nori were to ask one or two intelligent questions a night, I think there might still be a chance that he could be interesting, but that doesn't happen.
Or have some intellectual curiosity about some of these topics.
But I think I fear that it, not fear, but I think it's more about money and it's about putting on a mysterious, spooky, you know, show and people to listen in that way and buy the products, buy turmeric and whatever else crap that he's selling.
When was the last time you listened to that?
It's not about truth.
The last time I listened to Nori, it's been at least six months.
I don't remember when the last time, but I listened to like 20 minutes several months ago, and it was god-awful painful.
I don't know.
What about you, Jazz?
Do you ever listen anymore?
No, I canceled my Streamlink or what it was called then in 2008.
That's about the time that I canceled mine, too.
And I haven't looked back.
Yeah, I think it's about that time for me as well.
I joined this forum in 2010, I think, maybe.
I don't remember now, 2011.
So I must have been at least listening once in a while at that point.
Speaking of when you joined the forum, Jazz, I noticed that you joined the forum on February 17th.
Yes, I noticed it was my anniversary.
It was 110.
It was a four-year anniversary for Jazz Miller, everybody.
And I didn't receive any cards or cake or well wishes.
Hand jobs.
You've been here since 2010?
Wait a minute.
Four-year anniversary, you're supposed to get a rusty trombone for that, aren't you?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, but I must say, I joined up and for a long time I hardly ever posted.
And I think I only used to post in the Art Bell forum.
Why do you hate him?
You hear that so much?
I don't know.
You didn't post?
Yeah.
You know, I think you did it the right way, though, Jaz.
You joined, you caught the flavor of the forum, maybe checking out some of the different personalities and the sarcasm, perhaps, that some people throw around before you started posting.
Well, if you go back and you have a look at my first couple of posts, I almost left the forum on the first day.
Did you really?
Because someone, I posted something.
I'm just trying to find what I said, but I posted something about asking if people would, if Art did a podcast show, whether people would listen to him or not.
And that doesn't sound controversial at all.
No, but someone accused me, I think it was Anagrammy at the time, accused me of being a stooge for Premiere.
So I told him.
So I said something to the I said something about, you know, typical forums and their clicks and, you know, you're not welcoming new people into the fold and, you know, the forum will die if that happens.
And I think, Onan, you actually came to me on, you said something to me on in a PM, like, you know, don't leave, blah, blah, blah.
Did I really?
Yeah, I'm just trying to be serious.
Yeah, we really hoped you would have leaved, left back then.
So you had a mini meltdown on the first day, huh?
Yeah, I'm trying to find, how do you find that?
That happens a lot.
Don't you think?
Yeah.
I mean, there was a guy who posted just a couple days ago, went by the name of 2014.
And I don't even remember what it says, but I kind of jumped on him a bit and then he PM'd me and I PM'd him back and he seemed like a really cool guy.
And now I haven't seen him post again.
Yeah, I saw that exchange and I thought it was kind of strange.
Like he didn't know your, I knew exactly what you were talking about when you brought his mom into the equation, I believe.
I knew that you were, you know, off the cuff, tongue-in-cheek kind of a reply, but he jumped in.
We need to be serious.
I saw it from his perspective, though.
Saw it from Onan's or from... No, the other guy's perspective.
Really?
Really?
Yeah.
Well, you're a pussy, too.
Well, yes.
I'm very sensitive.
So my first post, I posted a topic.
Would you subscribe to an Art Bell podcast?
And this was in April 2011.
And I said, would you pay?
Like I asked, and I said, I guess I'm preaching to the choir here, but I thought I'd pose the question anyway.
We all want art to return to the airwaves.
And I think a good way to start might be to do a weekly podcast.
I said, blah, blah, blah.
An advantage of this is that he can do it whenever he wants, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
First guy to reply to me is Onan.
Onin puts in quotation marks.
Fuck you.
He writes, smart art.
He wants us to think.
Fuck.
We will have to listen to someone else to give us an opinion.
Then we can get back to you.
And then he said, I think it would be great to have a new Art Bell interviews.
Heck, most of us here have downloaded older Art Bell shows.
I don't think a podcast would be much different.
And then someone, then Anagrammy accused me of being a plant.
So I come back on and said, well, fuck you all.
Another forum that is non-welcoming to newcomers.
You would think that they would appreciate some new blood, but I guess I'll just leave now.
I'm no premiere plant.
In fact, I loathe Nori and have canceled my streamlink.
Guess I'll cancel my account here too.
That was day one on Bellgab.
I have audio of that exchange.
You don't know this, Jazz, but I had a microphone in your room while you were typing that.
Here it is.
How dare you get your hands off.
No, Campsky, I didn't slam Jazz.
I was defending him.
Yeah, he was just being, he was being all right.
But Aldous then gets on with after my fuck you and quotes my fuck you and says, nice to meet you too, which is very Aldous.
And then the general gets on and he says, oh, stick around.
There's just a few here that think that anyone knew he works for Premiere.
So I guess nothing's changed.
No, not much.
That's funny.
Then Odin, you did come back.
You did PM me and you were very nice and gentle, I must say.
Oh, yeah.
That's my style.
That's a nice guy.
He says, for what it's worth, I was trying to be funny.
If you took my post as insulting, dot, dot, dot.
I thought the latter of my response to you was supportive.
My first part was self-deprecating.
So again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
I don't think overall the people here are unwelcoming, but I do see how you could interpret it that way.
Anywho, hope you post again.
Either way, good journeys to you.
And good journeys to you.
You know, Jazz, I wanted art to come back just for the fact that you would be forced to come through on your promise to read the entire quits thread in audiobook version.
I think you threatened that at one point.
If Art Bell comes back, I will read the entire quits thread.
Was that post this retirement?
You mean read it out loud?
Yes.
Or just read it.
Yes, no, read it out loud in audiobook format.
Did I do that if he comes back in 2015 or if he just came back now?
I think it was framed if he comes back in soon within the next few weeks or months.
Or if he gets back on the air and gets you know, gets back on Sirius, I believe, is the premise.
What are we up to on the quits thread?
750 something pages?
Someone at 250 says, we still like you, Jazz, even though you killed dark matter.
That's never going away, man.
You did so much shit, man.
I'm your tombstone.
Blame Jazz Munda.
And that's why he needs to be banned ultimately.
He does.
We need to ban you, Jazz.
Yeah, I don't get that threat.
I don't know why.
I think you kind of think it's a joke, but it kind of swerved from joke to like kind of mean.
And then it's kind of been vacillating between the two.
I don't know.
What's that?
I missed it.
I'm sorry.
The Jazz Munda must-be-banned thread or whatever.
No, it was a should not be banned.
Oh, yeah.
Well, clearly, that's ridiculous.
Of course.
Yes.
You disappear for a couple days, and all of a sudden, people freak out.
Yeah, where the hell are you, man?
You can't have a few days off something.
No.
And I actually find it a bit disconcerting that people keep track of me like that.
I don't know whether to be creeped out or to find it mildly flattering.
He creeped out, my friend, because that's how we made it.
Yeah.
That is kind of creepy, isn't it, that a bunch of strangers you don't even know or know very well keep track of when you post and when you're not posting.
And then you have to explain yourself to a bunch of jeansbags on a podcast on why you left for a couple days.
It used to be worse than that.
You used to be able to go into the forum and you could look up an individual member and tell where they were at and what they were doing.
Well, not what they were doing, but you could tell what thread they were in, what they were looking at.
I don't like that.
Yeah, well, I can understand why.
How many times they'd masturbated that day?
I don't even know.
Yeah, that's easy.
I don't even know why it has last active.
Maybe Michael can enlighten us.
Well, it's probably just a feature that came that shipped with the software.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that because you can kind of keep track of people and see if they're possible.
It's not like we know where you are.
Go ahead, Onan.
That was it.
It's not like we know where anybody lives.
I mean, I guess in a way, the owner of the forum could track your IP down to a location, but none of us can that I'm aware of.
That's exactly.
Well, I was going to go someplace else, but and the other part of it is that really, you know, I like to see where certain people, when they're posted last, so I got an idea of how much there is to look at.
But quite honestly, I like you a lot, man, but I don't give a shit where you go when you're not here.
And that's the way I like it.
I mean, I care about you, but you're like, you know, do what you want.
Just let me know.
As long as you always come back, Jazz.
It's pretty boring without you, man.
I doubt that.
Can we hug, man, do a man hug now?
Let's do some hugs.
I hate to be the rainer down on parades here, but I know things are going quite well, but I got to cut it short here in just a little while.
How about right now?
All right, man.
Thank you for that.
And sorry, everybody else.
No, that seemed about the right time to shut her down, don't you think?
Unless you guys had any other topics?
No, we can leave it until next week.
Cool.
This has been the Gabcast.
Thanks to everybody at UFOShip.com in the chat room.
Thanks to Cam CNP and Unscreen Caller.
She won that book.
So I will get in touch with you to figure out how to get that book to you in Queen's.
Thanks to Jasmunda, Onan, and B-Dub.
And I'm Eddie Dean, and we will see you next week, everybody.
Good job, Eddie.
Good job, everybody.
Bye-bye.
Good night.
All right.
Bye-bye.
Get your hand off my penis.
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