Glenn Beck, Jennifer Sey, and Kmele Foster confront the "Red Green Alliance" threatening American capitalism, recounting Sey's harrowing White House Correspondents' Dinner experience involving slurs and gunfire. They critique media censorship exemplified by Jimmy Kimmel's controversial jokes while championing free speech against globalist agendas like the World Economic Forum. Ultimately, the trio argues that ordinary Americans seek to save the nation from radical overthrow rather than engage in destructive political warfare, urging a focus on shared concerns like debt and security over partisan labels. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Nonsense of Mainstream Media00:02:40
Great podcast today.
You don't want to miss.
First, we have Jennifer Sayon.
She was actually at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.
She's the woman, remember, she was with Levi's, and then they started saying, We're the uniform of the revolution, and you know what?
We should make all guys girls.
And she's like, Wait a minute, hang on just a second.
And she started her own company.
Well, she happened to be just as a regular citizen, as an invited guest at the White House Dinner, you know, the Correspondents' Dinner on Saturday, and she has quite the story to tell.
Also, we are being duped.
There is, you know, we're being lied to, and I mean both the left and the right.
I shouldn't say that.
The Democrats and Republicans are being lied to.
The Republicans are now just starting to go down this trail where you have crazy right-wing nutjobs telling you things, and it's pulling you away and pulling you into the fringes.
This has been happening for a long time on the left.
I want to reset.
I want to show you what we actually should agree on and what we should be talking about.
And why we're not.
Also, Camille Foster, a libertarian, great, great guy.
We talk about freedom of speech because, you know, it's not real popular with kids today, those crazy kids.
And we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that dog and that shaggy guy in the mystery van.
But anyway, Camille Foster is going to join us as well, all on today's podcast.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
I want you to look at everything that is happening right now.
You just go on to X or whatever and scroll down.
You scroll on your phone, turn on the TV, listen to the noise that you're hearing, maybe even in your own offices.
You will hear labels being thrown around all the time fascist, traitor, threat to democracy, radical, yada, yada, yada.
And it is a really strange way to run a country.
Especially in a country that was built on argument and free speech.
That's what built us.
People on the left will say it was revolution.
No, it's a very different kind of revolution.
Our Declaration of Independence is what made our revolution work, where every other revolution in the history of man ends poorly.
This one ended with the people who started it because they had a very clear vision of what they were trying to build.
Okay?
And.
We're sitting here arguing about things that, you know, we're not, we don't, neither side, I don't believe that either side of the average American believe in some of these things, okay?
We should be laying our cards face up on the table and say, this is what I believe, this is what it costs, this is why it's worth it, and argue about that.
You strip all the names and the labels off of it.
The truth is, we have real disagreements, serious disagreements.
The country is in bad shape.
Okay.
But the question now is do we want it to come apart?
Do we still believe that it's worth saving?
I am maybe perhaps too naive, but I happen to believe that most Democrats do not get up in the morning and say, I just want capitalism dead.
I want the president dead.
You know, I want a dictatorship.
I want, I'd rather have.
China run thing.
I just don't believe any of that.
Okay.
So, what is it we should be talking about?
I jotted some notes down last night and I want to go over them on the things that we should be talking about to show you that we're really not that far apart.
Let's start with money.
One side looks at the national debt and says, real danger.
Too much spending, too much borrowing, interest payment, eating away at the future.
It's going to collapse.
And their answer is cut spending, limit government growth, try to stabilize the dollar before it slips and crashes and burns.
Okay.
The other side doesn't deny all of those things.
They also see the same thing.
They're like, we're never going to make it.
You cannot do this.
But they see a government that still has room to act, especially in crisis.
They argue about pulling back will stall the growth, hurt working families, weaken the safety net.
So they still believe spend more, but maybe we spend less on defense, whatever.
Are those that different?
Yes, they're talking about higher taxes, spending, yada, yada, manage the debt instead of slamming on the brakes.
We're all dealing with the same number.
This one's math.
But what you learn when you look at this particular thing, and this is a huge crisis, both the Democrats and the Republicans know I mean, people who vote for them, they both know my side's not serious about debt.
Okay, they're not serious.
This is all bullcrap.
I know the debt is a problem.
My Democratic neighbor knows the debt is a problem.
Shouldn't we be uniting on that one that both parties are lying to us about it?
Right?
But that's something that we actually all believe in, and that's one thing that we say we're arguing about.
Hear me out.
Let's talk about the border.
One side sees a system that is completely out of control, too many people crossing illegally, too much strain on cities, schools, and hospitals.
They argue that law enforcement has to come first, physical barriers, stricter asylum rules, faster removals, yada, yada.
The other side, and I'm talking about the honest people, The other side sees an economic system under pressure.
They see problems, laws that are outdated, workforce needs immigration, enforcement won't fix it, blah, blah, blah.
They push for legal pathways, reform, a structured system that still allows entry, etc., etc.
Both sides are reacting to the same problem, the same reality.
What we have right now is not working, but they each have different levers.
They're both arguing, but both sides are reasonable to a degree.
Okay.
I happen to disagree, but I can see reason in the argument.
Remember, I'm talking about the average voter.
Energy.
One side says we're sitting on resources, it'll make us dominant oil, gas, natural reserves.
We should dominate.
We can use them, we can drill, we can drive prices down, reduce the dependence on unstable regions, get out of the Middle East.
Growth will come from abundance.
It's a way to be able to pay down our debt.
It's a way to stop the endless wars.
The other side says, well, no, wait, wait, wait.
Climate, climate, climate.
Environmental damage, long term instability.
It's not the future.
We're going to run out.
They push for a transition, even though it's messy.
Renewables, stricter controls.
One side is saying cheap energy now, another one is saying a different system later.
I don't agree with them.
But that's at least a conversation you can have.
Foreign policy.
How long is the United States going to carry the weight of the world?
Vacuums get filled by countries that don't share our interests.
They lean towards, no, we got to be more involved, staying engaged, projecting power, prevent bigger conflicts later, blah, blah, blah.
Here's what's crazy about this.
You know what?
Most Democrats that I know are actually saying more of what the Republicans are saying, which is, I don't want any of these wars anymore.
It's the big government people on both Republican and Democrat side that are still pushing for more wars.
They're still pushing for what the State Department has been pushing for 100 years.
But the average person is like, I don't want my kid dying in a war for what?
We're not that far apart.
Crime and policing.
One side, cease disorder.
You can't weaken the system like this.
Police have been pulled back.
Laws soften.
Nobody is paying a price for it.
There is no consequence anymore.
And the answer one side restore authority, fund the police, tighten the system down.
The other side sees a system that has overreached, has been a problem in the past, uneven enforcement, you know, lack of trust in communities.
And their answer is reform, oversight, changing how policing works, you know, and how much there is of it.
Okay, I don't agree.
But we could have that debate.
I could go through safety versus fairness.
Both sides claim to defend it.
Healthcare, one side says free markets, competition, privacy, you know, private innovation, less government control.
The other side says no, more government control.
You know, because we got to have access, we have to have taxpayer funds in it, blah, blah, blah.
The fight isn't whether health care matters.
The fight is who should control health care.
Education, same thing.
Parental authority, no, more state authority.
People pushing for school choice, local control, transparency.
The other side says no.
Institutional structure, public system, standardized approaches, yada, yada, yada.
Gender identity, medical treatment, especially for minors.
One side says, this is serious life altering decisions involving children.
Strict limits, parental control, caution.
The other side says, well, they can be necessary.
But this side is saying, follow the science.
And yet, as the science is coming in, they're not following the science.
Why?
Technology.
We're on pretty much the same page in some way.
One side is worried about censorship.
I don't want the government having influence over these platforms.
I don't want them restricting information and conversation.
I don't want it filtered by the government.
I'm worried about AI in the hands of the government in the Pentagon.
The other side is saying, well, but there's chaos spreading and we have to have, and foreign influence and destabilization.
We have to have some control.
But that's a reasonable conversation.
But is that where it lives?
Is that the conversation that we're actually having?
I say no.
All of these things, elections, 80% of the population, both Republican and Democrat, are saying the same thing.
You got to have an ID.
You got to have an ID.
Reasonable people on the Democratic side would say, yeah, but I want to make sure that we're not stopping people who can vote to vote.
But 80% say, but people who shouldn't vote shouldn't vote.
You could go down this list on absolutely everything.
And that brings us back to America, because those are real arguments that we need to discuss.
They all have trade offs, they all have consequences, but that's not what we're arguing, is it?
Is it?
We're not talking about those things.
We're talking about how people are not just wrong, they're evil, that they're Nazis, that they're fascists.
That they want to round up and put everyone in jail.
Those are not real, okay?
They're not real.
They are with some, but that brings me to the third group, because there is a third group, a third category that doesn't fit into this neat little two sided argument of America.
There is a faction, and it's mainly on the left, but it is now growing on the right.
But the one on the left is active and organized.
And they're not arguing about trade offs at all.
At all.
Their goal is not better policies for working families under the American system.
It is to overthrow the system itself, capitalism, the Judeo Christian foundations of Western life, the nuclear family as the core unit of society.
We're not talking about Democrats.
We are talking about radicals who have infiltrated the Democratic Party and convinced Democrats that they're arguing what I had just laid out.
But they're not.
Because the power structure behind there are working to erode the roles of moms and dads, normalize gender confusion, accelerate.
Medical interventions on children, pursue the Red Green Alliance, you know, the tactical marriage between Marxism and Islamist forces that will kill democracy outright.
They align themselves with the World Economic Forum, with the top down global governance that treats national sovereignty as a joke, individual liberty gone, traditional culture as obstacles to be managed or dismantled.
And that's not just the Democrats.
There are a lot of big progressive Republicans that want that too.
My point is, the third group doesn't share the goal of the regular Democrat or Republican.
The millions of working people, the parents, the small business owners that just want a safer street.
They want to be able to afford groceries and good schools and have a fair shot.
We can disagree with one another on real issues unless you're trying to tear down the country that gave all of us a shot in the first place.
We can argue that this isn't working.
We can argue and say, hey, you know, the dream of America is fading fast if we don't have a conversation.
But we're not talking about compromises.
What we're talking about is destroy the system.
The radical faction wants it destroyed.
They see crisis as the opportunity to accelerate the takedown.
And that's why they pour every resource into convincing ordinary Democrats that Trump or anyone else who resists is not just wrong, not Just a conservative, but a Nazi who has to be stopped at all costs, including street violence, assassination attempts, whatever.
Because once you can convince one side or the other that the other side is Hitler reborn, you stop asking questions about the actual agenda.
America, you got to distance yourself from people who are trying to convince you this is all about, let's say, Donald Trump.
Why is it every society in the Western world is going through exactly the same arguments?
Why is it all of our countries are being torn apart?
They don't have Donald Trump there.
So, what's their excuse?
Their excuse is whatever party is saying, hey, we should really not go down this road of.
The Red Green Alliance or the WEF.
There's a third category that no one is arguing.
And if we can find our way to each other and say, I reject, I want the United States of America to remain free, to remain under the Constitution.
I believe in the Declaration of Independence.
We have big problems, but let's fix those and restore it.
Instead, too many people are being convinced that destruction, that the destroyers are actually one of them.
They're not.
You're either a restorer or a destroyer.
Local Standards Over National Rules00:09:52
I don't think that we're destroyers.
I don't think the average American is a destroyer.
The destroyers are betting that we never figure this out.
You better figure it out quickly.
Because I want to fix the country, and I think you do too.
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Camille, how are you?
You're welcome.
It's good to have you here.
You live in New York and California.
And I have to start with what the hell is wrong with you?
Necessity demands it at the moment.
And I don't quite live in New York, but I am here pretty much every single week now.
They're charging you.
Mill Valley, California.
They're charging you as if you're here.
Yes, I know that that is coming as well.
Your overall sense of where this is headed.
I mean, you look at New York and California, and nobody is saying, hey, this isn't working out well.
They're doubling down on all of this and now suggesting this is the future for America.
Well, both places have had really dysfunctional political systems and bad political leadership for a very long time.
California, I think, has a uniquely bad problem because it has this resource curse.
I mean, you've been to California.
I currently live there.
I live in the shadow of Mount Tam in Marin County.
It is one of the most extraordinary, beautiful places on planet Earth.
It is.
Authentically.
It is.
And the challenge is that there can be so many things that go wrong that people will be willing to tolerate.
Gas prices that will make your eyes water.
Everything costs more.
And now everything is under lock and key.
And it's been that way for like five or six years.
But the policies are burning the state to the ground.
Yeah.
It's making it a hellscape to live.
I mean, you know, I remember as a kid going to California and it was beautiful.
It was just beautiful.
California, I've wanted to live in California my whole life.
I won't because they're crazy.
Yeah.
They're crazy.
You can't afford to live there.
You can't afford to do business there or anything else.
But I love California.
Yeah.
And, you know, it's one thing to say, you know, but I want the weather.
And it's another to say, but look at what is happening around me.
It's a hellscape.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's, it's, I'm grateful to have been there.
There's so much about the place.
And, and quite honestly, like the people in the culture in Marin that I've benefited from, my kids are in a school that I absolutely love.
But to, To have a front seat to a lot of the political dysfunction, all of the things that go wrong.
San Francisco is right across the bridge.
I go there and you see the actual tangible consequences of bad policy.
Are people waking up at all?
I think so.
Absolutely.
There's been some turnover, at least in local government.
I think you're going to see it there first, but the governor's race doesn't give me much, much hope that they're actually going to be making much, much better decisions.
I think JD Vance is going to come after all this corruption like crazy.
I think Donald Trump said, You're going to be in charge of weeding out all the corruption.
I think that is the 2028 plan to show the massive corruption that is happening.
Because if we really are in four years, if we've put $2 trillion.
Into corruption.
I mean, there's your answer to our debt problem.
Just cut the corruption.
Just cut the corruption, and we would be a lot better off.
Hard to disentangle.
I think really hard to do from the top down.
I want to be optimistic in the same way I wanted to be optimistic about Doge.
I think it managed to make some cuts, but really not completely.
Everybody knows now why they had to get rid of it.
Everybody.
If you don't know why the left went.
Bat crap crazy, and some on the Republican side too.
You send guys in with computers that know exactly what they're doing, and they're looking.
I mean, this it's corruption is the biggest game in town.
I think corruption is part of it, but also just navigating the corridors of power in DC, the kind of labyrinth of bureaucratic, like entrenched bureaucratic power.
Again, really, really difficult stuff to do.
You can't disentangle it very easily, and so much of the funding is kind of truncated and tronched in these strange ways that are just hard to disentangle.
So today is, I've been kind of laying out an outline.
I have to believe that there are people on both sides of the aisle that love the Republic, that don't want to see our president.
I don't care if it's Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
They don't want to see him killed.
They don't want to see chaos.
They don't want a destruction of our Constitution.
They just want things fixed.
I think that's most Americans, yeah.
Do you?
I think so.
I want to believe that.
I want to believe that too.
I want to believe that too.
But we are so.
I mean, there are forces, the Red Green Alliance is one of them, that are intent on destroying us.
And they have taken, in many of our universities, the youth and our youth, they don't even know what freedom of speech is.
They don't think it should be protected, that there is stuff that you shouldn't be able to say, which is insane coming from an American.
Let's talk about Jimmy Kimmel.
Because today I got on and I got, Ricky was just telling me that, you know, my own insiders, Think that I'm wrong on this, and I don't think I am.
Jimmy Kimmel, I think if I was running ABC, I would fire him, but not because the government told me to.
I am absolutely dead.
If the FCC started coming after ABC on this, I would lead the campaign against the FCC.
It is wrong.
I don't like the mob cancel culture or anything else, but there's got to be some standards.
He has a right to say these things.
ABC has a right to.
Air these things.
How do you balance free speech with decency?
If your culture doesn't have decency, what do you have?
I mean, I think it has to be culturally enforced.
And I think the Kimmel situation and the timetable seems to be on Thursday, he makes a joke.
Yeah.
On Saturday, there's an attempt on the president's list.
Correct.
Wait, wait, wait.
But however, remember, the last time he was in trouble was because he was mocking Charlie Kirk being killed.
You know what I mean?
At some point, a decent person says, you know what, that's just off the table.
Maybe not the jokes I want to make.
And I think.
Can totally understand that, but also comedy is comedy, and comedy is about saying things that people expect you not to say.
It is uncouth.
It is unacceptable.
The trick is landing the punch appropriately.
And did he manage to do that on Thursday?
Maybe.
By Saturday, that joke didn't make as much sense.
And if he were telling that joke on Monday, that might color things differently.
But on Saturday, I mean, on Thursday, it seems like a joke about a younger woman married to an older man.
Perhaps you don't find it funny.
You can always turn the channel.
And plenty of people have already done that.
I know that's his excuse, but I don't buy that at all.
So, how do we balance?
How do we balance this?
Because I don't want government, but, you know, I said earlier, the good thing for ABC, because I've done radio, I'm 49 years in radio now.
Next year will be my 50th anniversary.
Wow.
And so I remember at 13 years old having to take the FCC test to be able to be on radio.
And one of the things I know is the FCC, it has certain guidelines, but a lot of it is community standards.
Right.
And so what's happening in ABC's favor is, We don't have any community standards anymore.
It's almost like there are no standards anymore.
How do we encourage standards to come back without forcing things, without the government?
How do we do that?
How do we fix this whole?
Yeah, just one, I don't think the government can meaningfully enforce standards here in this country.
You just cannot do it by fiat.
It has to be cultural, in which case, it's the people who are listening to this show.
To the extent you're listening to something, you hear it and you hate it.
And you only have contempt for that station, you can, one, vote with your feet and your dollars and go elsewhere with your business.
And that will actually cause some change eventually.
But of course, letter writing campaigns still matter.
Of course, organizing online in different ways still matters and has consequences.
The question is whether or not what Kimmel did actually rises to the level of something that's going to animate that kind of concern amongst the public.
And I do think that you can have people on the left and the right who are meaningfully outraged by something happening, even in times like these where people are so divided.
I will tell you the one thing that used to scare the hell out of radio stations is.
Because when you're up for a license renewal, you have to have a license renewal every I don't remember every five years or whatever it is.
You have to keep all the letters that came in, and then the FCC comes in and they review all the letters.
How did you respond to those?
Because that's how they gauge community standards.
Are these local letters coming in about your local station?
And you can say, um, and I think there was a station someplace that canceled Kimmel for a while because they said our community standards are different than Los Angeles or New York, and so they canceled them, and that was.
I'll bet you specifically because if you get letters in your local market, you have to respond to your community standards.
Or the FCC can say, you're not paying attention to your own community and this has to be local.
That's the one thing, that's the one caveat.
It's not national, it must be local standards.
But I wonder, Glenn, what do you think?
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Because I look at what the president has said and the first lady, and their response to it is probably animated more interest in what he said on Thursday than anything that might have happened had they ignored it.
So I told a story earlier today.
A podcaster said, you know, after Charlie died, and Charlie was a friend of mine, and my daughter was probably 15 feet away from him when he died.
Wow.
And a podcaster said, it's interesting, you know, Glenn loves Israel.
And then his daughter is just mysteriously that close.
Okay.
Like my daughter had something to do with his death.
I came home, I said that to my wife, and my wife stood up and said, Where does she live?
And I said, We're not here to sit down, honey.
Sit down.
But that was the immediate reaction of a mother.
And I feel this way with Erica Kirk, and I feel this way about Melania that leave them alone.
Leave them alone.
You know, there's only so much a family can take, and this family has been bludgeoned over and over and over again with this kind of stuff, and nobody seems to care.
So while I disagree with the president saying what he did because it carries the weight of the presidency, you know what I mean?
Understand it's different when it's about you.
You know what I mean?
That doesn't mean you act on that.
And I don't want the president to influence or anything like that.
I don't want the government to do any of that.
But especially with Melania, I mean, at some point, what has she done to people?
What has she done?
Yeah.
I mean, she hasn't been elected to office.
She's not running for anything.
And she's perfectly reasonable and kind and nice.
She's not in everybody's face.
She's not.
You know, Hillary Clinton, she's not talking about policies or anything else.
She's just a first lady.
Leave her alone.
Yeah, not a particularly divisive figure.
Like the phrase that comes to mind when I think about her is be best.
Yeah, right.
It's not even innocuous.
Right.
That's just good.
Right, right.
So, what are your thoughts on that?
On which dimension of it?
On what they said yesterday.
Again, I think I can offer, I think you put it in the right context, at least with Melania.
If she's speaking out publicly about this, she has every right to.
She is a private citizen, and as much as she happens to be the president's wife, she can say whatever she likes.
And if she believes that this person ought to be terminated, she can say that too.
I do think, however, that it would serve her well, and it would serve the interests of the presidency in general, and perhaps the country to set some of that stuff aside.
So let me tell you a story about what happened with me and Barack Obama.
Okay.
Because it's the flip side of.
Of this.
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You know, one of my favorite people is Jennifer Say.
I don't know if you know her by her name, but she's the former brand president for Levi Strauss.
They got away from the cone mill and started making cheap denim, and it's crap now.
But the good news is it's five times more expensive.
And so I started 1791 jeans just as a personal protest.
We made the denim at the cone mills.
We made them the quality that should be made by Levi's because they came out and they said, We're the uniform of the revolution.
Levi's, can you not try to tear America down?
Can you not try to put us into revolution?
Anyway.
They were going after women, she and girls and girls' sports.
I don't remember what it was she said, but got all kinds of pushback.
And she's like, okay, no, thank you.
And she started her own brand.
I think this woman is a real American patriot.
I just love her.
And one of the things I really love is she doesn't spend her time on hate or anything else.
She's just like, I'm just going to do something better.
And she started XXXY Athletics.
And she's with us because she was at the dinner on Saturday.
She was, I think, a guest of Daily Wire.
And she had never been before.
She, I mean, this is not her deal.
Um, and it's her first time there.
And Jennifer is here to tell us exactly what happened and what she saw and what she felt.
Jennifer, welcome to the program.
How are you?
I'm great.
Thanks for having me, Glenn.
You bet.
Okay.
First of all, glad to know you're okay.
I read your tweets and your article, and I felt for you.
Tell me, you get there Saturday, and you go through security.
What were your thoughts?
Actually, before you get to security, tell me about the signs that you had to pass.
Yeah, I'm going to go back even before that because I got invited to be a guest of the Daily Wire and I was honored.
Part of me, Glenn, was like, Why am I going?
Like, this is not my deal, to your point.
I've been to all sorts of cultural events as the president of Levi's.
I've been to Coachella five times.
I've been to the Grammys and the Super Bowl many times.
And I thought, Well, let's add one to the list.
You know, that'll be cool.
And talking to people beforehand, they're like, The worst thing that's going to happen is it's going to be kind of boring.
Ha.
I wish it had been kind of boring.
Yeah.
So it'd be nice.
I mean, so I just thought, Well, this will be cool.
You know, my husband said, add it.
To your bucket list.
I said, it's not on my bucket list.
And you said, it is now.
So I got dressed up.
It was raining.
Yeah, it was raining.
I had to walk part of the way in the rain.
I looked like a drowned rat when I got there.
And there were protesters outside screaming in my face, you know, pedophile, whatever, free Palestine, Zionist, like all the, you know, murderer, you're complicit.
And look, I lived in San Francisco for 30 years.
I'm used to people screaming in my face.
So I just kept walking.
And I did.
I know a lot of people are saying there was no security.
I did go through two metal detectors.
My purse was checked twice.
I did have to show my ticket.
It was a little chaotic going in.
And I did have a random thought, I will admit, like, oh, I could, if I wasn't sort of obeying the order of events, I did think to myself, I could get around this security.
But I went through because I generally follow rules.
And I went in by myself, which was, you know, Sort of nerve wracking for someone.
I'm an introvert.
I just wanted to find my party.
I did eventually find my friends from the Daily Wire.
We went inside, we were sitting, you know, we sat and hung out for like an hour.
And all of a sudden, you know, there was like, it seemed like it was going to start.
You know, people were taking their seats, that kind of thing.
And suddenly, Glenn, there was just this commotion.
There was screaming.
And people start screaming, get under the table, get under the table.
And, you know, you never know how.
You're going to react in a moment like this.
Everyone at the table was pretty calm.
Weight staff ducked under our table with us.
You know, I'm squeezing hands with a woman I met, you know, 30 minutes before.
And there was a lovely woman at our table who was very common, sort of narrating for us just stay down.
You're totally okay.
You're fine.
Stay down.
Stay down.
She just kept saying, you're okay.
You're okay.
And of course, Glenn, I'm in the back right by the door.
So I'm thinking, oh, wow.
We did hear.
We did hear gunshots.
Yeah, I'm in like the nosebleed seats, right?
And I did hear loud gunshots, and you have no idea.
Is it right outside the door?
Is it upstairs on a different floor?
You really don't know.
And all I'm thinking is, well, I'm right by the door.
Like I'm easy collateral damage.
And I had this moment of calm where I said, well, there's nothing I can do.
If this is my moment, this is my moment.
If it's not, I mean, I literally, this was all going through my head because what are you doing under the table?
And I thought, but if it's not, You know, how ironic.
This is, we're here to celebrate free speech and a free press, and somebody wants to destroy that.
And I'll never stop speaking up.
I mean, it sounds crazy that I was thinking about those things, but it was.
That is exactly what I was thinking.
At some point, it got quiet.
One woman who was at my table and I, we grabbed hands and we just ran out the door and we found a side door and we spilled into an alley and we just walked and ran until it was quieter.
And we didn't know what happened because we couldn't get self service.
It was so crazy.
So it was like an hour before we even knew what really happened.
That was it.
So.
What are your thoughts about public events now and being safe?
I mean, Turning Point, Moms for Liberty, White House dinner, the golf course.
I mean, you know, Chuck Todd said, I'm never going to be around the president because the president brings chaos around him and I don't want to be killed, which I find super, super brave of him.
What are your thoughts on this?
What does this mean going forward?
How do you, as an average citizen, not doing what Yeah.
I do, or others do for a living.
Yeah.
What are your thoughts?
Well, you know, people say to me all the time, because I don't do what you do, but I have my share of stalkers.
I have open investigations with the local police just because I say men can't be women, which is the most insane thing on the earth that people, you know, accuse me of genocide for that.
And people say to me all the time, as I'm sure they say to you, they say, you know, you have to be very careful.
I mean, what does that even mean?
You know, I mean, obviously, the president has the best security possible.
Charlie Kirk had, you know, great security.
I just walk around.
I'm a mom, I'm a business owner.
I just walk around.
There's no being careful.
And so, I guess, in my mind, I just go about my life because there's not really anything.
What can I do?
I'm not going to lock myself in my house.
I'm not going to be quiet.
So, I just go about my life and I hope that fate is kind.
And, I'm certainly not going to stop talking.
I'm definitely going back if there's a do over for the dinner.
I'm probably going to wear sneakers.
I say that sort of joking, but not really.
I hear someone laughing in the background.
I'm not kidding.
I mean, Kevlar socks would be a good idea too.
But I'm going back.
I mean, what are you going to do?
I'm not.
It sounds so cliche.
I know.
But you can't let the worst of us win.
You cannot do it.
You can't.
So you were somebody who, you know, you lived in San Francisco and.
I don't know all of your politics, Jennifer, and I don't need to know your politics, but I assume there's things in the past that we've disagreed on, and maybe we disagree on things now.
And you've lived in San Francisco, so you've worked with people who didn't hate the country, just voted differently than what I would vote for, right?
Right.
But we are in this place.
I'm going to talk about this next hour about how we're not even talking about the issues.
We're really not even discussing the issues.
What is it going to take for.
People who vote differently than I vote to say, okay, enough of all of this stuff.
I want the country to survive.
I'm not for this Marxist red-green alliance, destroy, burn everything down to the ground.
I want to fix the country and I want to be able to come back together.
What is it going to take?
Is there a chance of that happening?
Well, I'm an optimist and I wouldn't do what I do.
I don't think you would do what you do and continue to speak out if you didn't believe there was a chance of that.
You do it because you believe that you can be part of making things better.
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I believe that I can be.
Do I think it's a long road?
Do I think it took us a long time to get here?
Absolutely.
Think about how long it's taken us to get here.
When did the whole idea of safe spaces start?
I don't know, 20 years ago?
The whole idea at the core of that is that certain speech was so harmful that we had to cut ourselves off from it.
Then it was speech as violence.
Then it was Trump as Hitler.
Then it was I'm a genocider because I think men can't be women.
I mean, this is how we got here.
And the only thing that will solve it is more speech.
And I always do my best to be respectful, I will not kind of fall prey to the same sorts of rhetoric.
But I will not speak the truth.
And I just, the only thing that protects my free speech is yours and vice versa.
And so the answer cannot be, the answer cannot be that we stop speaking because then the lunatics win.
So where do you stand on like Jimmy Kimmel?
I don't know if you heard my opening monologue, but I don't want Jimmy Kimmel yet.
So you know where I stand.
I'm 100%.
You're with that?
I'm 100%.
Look, I think it's a stupid joke.
I think it's really unfortunate.
The jokes and quite frankly, the bullets only go in one direction right now.
You know, it used to be Saturday Night Live made fun of everybody, all politicians.
You know, they made fun of everybody.
It doesn't work that way anymore.
The jokes go one way, they're not very funny.
But I think the show should just tank on its own accord.
I don't think he should be taken off for stupid jokes.
I think people should not watch it if they don't think he's funny.
I don't think he's funny.
But I don't think he should be censored.
Like I said, The only thing that protects my free speech is yours.
And that does include dumb jokes from Jimmy Kimmel.
It does.
You know, I stood up for Bill Maher when he was taken off of ABC.
This is right after 9 11.
And he said, at least the Taliban, yeah, you remember?
At least the Taliban pilots, they had courage.
We dropped bombs.
They actually went in.
Yeah, courage.
And I found it one of the most offensive things.
And I'm a new talk show host at the time.
Nobody really knows what I believe.
And I knew when I said it, this is going to cost me, it's going to cause all kinds of confusion.
My audience will reject this.
But I actually stood up for Bill Maher and I said, ABC, what part of politically incorrect don't you understand?
This is a horrible, horrible comment, but that's what this show is by design and in the name.
You know what I mean?
So it's in a completely different category.
This is what the show is.
And I stood up for him and it cost me a great deal to stand up for him.
But I just, you know, I don't want any cancellation of speech, but we have to find a way to where we have responsibility and just basic decency.
I think that's what this is about.
This isn't just about violent speech.
With the Jimmy Kimmel thing, it's just basic decency.
Yeah.
You know, just can you not just come out and sincerely say, you've blown the chance to do that.
But if he would have come out yesterday and just said, Really bad timing.
Unfortunate timing.
You know, really bad timing.
I can see why everybody is upset.
You know, it was horrible, and I'm never going to go there again.
I'm not just, these jokes do not have any place at all.
That's not the way I meant it, but just to make it clear, I will never go anywhere near that again, and none of us should.
That would have solved an awful lot.
I completely agree, but he doesn't feel that way.
No, he doesn't.
I mean, if you recall, The last little dust up with him, and now I'm going to forget the specific details, but even his apology, you know, he was suspended for a while.
I don't know, was it a week?
This is maybe a year ago, maybe less.
His apology.
Oh, it was about Charlie.
That's right.
Charlie Kirk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
His apology was a non apology.
He doesn't feel that way, Glenn.
He does wish that Trump would die, and he does look at Melania and thinks she wishes and hopes it too.
He can't apologize when he doesn't feel sorry.
Feel it.
Yeah.
Jennifer, I'm so glad that you are well.
I saw your post and I felt so bad for you because you're, again, you're just, you know, somebody just going, you know, to watch history happen.
And boy, did you see it.
But I'm glad you're safe.
Thank you for being on with me.
Thank you so much for having me.
You bet.
Bye bye.
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