Glenn Beck critiques media narratives framing cabinet dissent on the Iran conflict as treason rather than patriotism, contrasting this with how leaks are handled. He corrects misconceptions about the Book of Esther, defining it as a story of Jewish survival through courage where God works invisibly, and defends astronauts' faith against atheist criticism by citing engineers who pray before launches. Ultimately, he urges listeners to reject fear-mongering predictions of nuclear war or portrayals of the president as a warmonger, arguing such rhetoric aids enemies while distracting from the real threat of Islamization, hoping for a peaceful resolution that weakens the regime without US occupation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Why We Ignore Real Worry00:14:40
On today's podcast, the never-ending adventure of Chicken Hawk War Criminal.
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And we should be questioning these things.
Although, I guess the New York Times is trying to make this look really, really bad.
And what should we take from the book of Esther?
I know that sounds boring as snot, but it's not.
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So let me continue with Iran and the amazing chicken warmonger.
I'm astounded by what is happening.
And in this next segment, I'm going to tell you the only thing that will stop us from winning.
The only thing you have to worry about.
Okay.
So let me pick it up because I just went through.
Let's just tally up the wins and losses here.
Where are we?
13 dead, horrible.
Gas prices, horrible.
And then what's happened to Iran?
I think it's pretty clear who's winning here.
Okay.
What's hardest for me to understand is the reaction that is happening here at home.
We have more people in this country that seem more invested in proving that Donald Trump is the central threat than acknowledging what is happening with a regime that has spent the last 40, Seven years exporting violence,
suppressing its own population, executing its own people for dissent or because they were improperly dressed as a woman, marrying nine year olds off to older men, genital mutilation, killing homosexuals because they're homosexuals, and Donald Trump is the bad guy?
There is kind of an inversion going on here that I don't understand.
If he pushes, he's reckless.
If he pauses, he's weak.
If he strikes, he's immoral.
If he holds back, Well, he's afraid.
Gang, I want you to hear anybody who is telling you these things today.
That's not analysis.
That's a deep illness.
You can oppose the president.
You can oppose this war.
You can.
You can question all of the decisions.
That's part of being an American.
That's part of the system.
But if every possible outcome is suddenly automatically framed as failure or evil, You're not evaluating reality anymore.
You're just reacting to a person and you're just trying to frame that person into whatever you believe about that person.
Meanwhile, there are Iranians who have been living under that system, who have protested it, who have paid for it with their lives, tens of thousands of overtime women, students, people asking for basic dignity.
Between 30 and 40,000 of them were killed for marching in the street.
This should not be controversial to say that weakening that kind of regime.
Is not a bad thing.
Now, let's get down to what happened last night.
Let me give you this key to understanding.
This isn't over.
Hear me, hear me clearly.
Anyone, anyone that is talking to you today, including me, that is outside of the room where the president gets briefed, no one knows the details of what is being discussed.
We don't even know if the people we're negotiating have the power to make things stick.
Anyone who is telling you that we are settling or we won last night.
At this point, they are lying to you.
They have an agenda because they don't know.
I can't tell you we won.
I can't tell you we lost.
I can tell you my concerns.
I can tell you my hopes.
But I can't tell you what's happening.
My guess is, and this is honest, the president doesn't know for sure.
But he at least is trying to exercise hope.
Now, listen to this Exercise hope, Glenn.
What do you mean?
I don't know.
A hope that maybe we can make the world safer and we can stop the killing.
Ask yourself this.
What are you hoping for?
Just ask yourself, what am I hoping for?
What are those who are pushing this narrative of taco actually hoping for?
Let me say this.
Maybe this holds, maybe it collapses.
Maybe we're right back where we were yesterday in two weeks.
But right now, there's a pause.
It may end in 20 minutes, but there's a pause where there wasn't one.
The shipping lane that matters to a huge portion of the world's energy flow is opening, even if temporarily.
The pressure hasn't disappeared, our forces haven't gone away.
Everything is just being redirected.
From where I sit, that looks like a position of leverage, not retreat.
I don't know about you, but I don't cheer war.
But I also am not afraid of fighting when you are up against evil.
Here's what I'm done with I'm done with the idea that we are supposed to rebuild every country we break while our problems stack up at home.
If there is a path, any path, that keeps a dangerous regime contained and weakened without dragging us into another decade long occupation and quagmire, I say we take a long, hard look at it.
And if it works, we avoided something far worse.
If it doesn't, we haven't lost the ability to act again.
That's what you call a win-win.
But I want you to understand: if we do go back, the same voices are going to flip right back.
Weakness, right now, he's weak.
He's a chicken.
It's going to become reckless.
He's cautious.
He's too cautious.
It's going to become dangerous.
The labels will change.
The certainty from the people saying it will not.
That part is not about Iran.
That part is about us.
Let me give you one more thought on this.
Have you been watching what our military is capable of?
It should be something that you look at with admiration and just a wee bit of horror.
Because if this is what we're capable of today, imagine when we get robotics and AI.
This has always been the most powerful military in the history of the world.
Not like this.
Not like this.
There is no place to hide.
If the United States government wants you dead, you will be dead.
There is no question in my mind what this military can do.
Again, horror and pride or gratitude, better, gratitude.
What's going to stop this military?
What is going to stop us from beating Iran, of all places?
Because there is something.
There's one thing.
It'll stop us.
It'll stop us dead in our tracks.
We are guaranteed to lose because of one thing.
What is that one thing that would cause us to lose?
The American people.
That's it.
There's nothing that's going to stop this military.
There's nothing that's going to make sure that's going to stop the Strait of Hormuz from being open.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Except us.
The Iranians are not going to push us back.
The Iranians are not going to suddenly get an upper hand militarily.
It will be us.
Because somehow or another, somehow or another, it's not that we don't want war.
That's not enough.
I understand not wanting war, I get that.
We are in a place now where a lot of Americans don't want us to win, they want the other side to win.
I I don't even know how to deal with that.
I don't even know how to deal with that.
Because that's lunatic thinking.
These are lunatics you're dealing with.
These are religious zealots, out of their mind religious zealots, who get up every day and pray for the end of the West and America.
And somehow or another, they're the oppressed.
They're the ones that people are rooting for.
And I don't even think you're actually even rooting for them.
You are just rooting for our president to fail.
You know what I said the day that Barack Obama was elected, and everybody on the right was so upset.
And I said, Gang, it's going to be tough because he's going to do a lot of things we don't like, but we cannot root for his demise because his demise means our demise.
Let me give you one other thing.
And this is the one thing that I really want you to take from all of this.
I said earlier, nobody knows how this is going to turn out.
God does.
We don't.
We have no idea how this is going to turn out.
I know this if we allow them to build nukes and enrich uranium, if we allow them to control the Strait of Hormuz, then I will clearly say, that's a loss.
That's a loss.
But we're not there yet.
Not even close to that.
You don't even know what's true and what's propaganda from either side.
You have no idea.
Why do we constantly borrow trouble?
Why are we constantly worrying about things we can't do anything about?
It is such a puzzlement to me that we sit here and we worry about negotiations that we have no idea what's going on.
We worry about all of these.
Yesterday, how many people?
I saw a woman on the side of the street holding a sign.
That said, he's gonna get us all killed, and it had a nuclear mushroom cloud.
Do you realize how out of your mind you have to be to really believe that he was gonna launch a nuke yesterday?
But everybody's worried about things they cannot control.
Meanwhile, the things like the Islamization of America, nobody wants to worry about.
The things that you actually need to pay attention to, Actually, can do something about people don't want to worry about.
They don't even want to think about it.
But they will think about nuclear war yesterday and worry about that or worry about how we're going to give Iran the Strait of Hormuz, which is insanity to even think.
But who knows?
Crazier things have happened lately.
Maybe it does.
Why not wait until it actually happens?
Living History Again00:02:43
Why not wait?
Why not save all of that frustration for something that matters?
That will matter if it happens.
If it doesn't, why are you wearing yourself out?
Of course, everybody is tired.
We're fighting battles we don't even have to fight.
Stop fighting useless battles.
Stop looking for trouble.
Stop imagining things that you can't, no one can tell you what the truth even is today.
Why don't we just hope and pray for the right outcome?
Whatever the Lord wants it to be, let's pray for the right outcome.
Let's hope for that.
I don't know.
Have we lost the ability to hope?
Because I haven't, and I refuse to.
I am hoping that this actually works out, and I am leaving room still for it could go horribly.
But today, this is all I know.
And I'm going to live in that little world where I can have hope today.
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God in Space and Time00:04:28
Kind of out of the blue, I guess.
You know, it's interesting to me that.
We are living history over again, it seems to me.
And I have been, I've wondered for 20 years.
I remember talking about 1968, 69, what was going on, and the strife that was happening in the country, and the riots in Chicago and Altamont, and all of the things that they were so close to winning.
And then NASA launched a rocket, and we put a man on the moon.
And it was that summer, I think, that really everything changed.
And after that, something else happened.
The Jesus movement happened.
I mean, Time magazine called it the Jesus Revolution.
It was like 1970, 71.
And we swung from this really radical destroy everything to this beautiful Jesus movement.
And I'm just seeing all of the pieces repeat themselves, or at least rhyme.
A lot of it is rhyming.
And this last week, we've heard a lot of talk about God, and we've heard a lot of talk about God in space.
So, the NASA astronaut, Victor Glover, as they were getting ready to go to cut communication and go to the dark side of the moon where they are alone in space with just their thoughts, 250,000 miles out in space, farther than anybody's ever been, he talks about God.
And so, rational reasoner, I don't know who that is, he replies.
No respect for Victor.
Keep it to yourself.
Just enjoy the 100% scientifically managed ride around the moon.
You're not praying the rocket into space, Victor.
The foxhole stuff is factually incorrect, and it does as if it discounts bravery.
If anything, it lowers your respect even further.
Okay, so he goes on, and he's all hostile about it.
And I don't know why people have to be so hostile.
I mean, you don't believe in God, you don't believe in God.
That's fine.
Why do you have to be right?
Why do you have to be right?
And.
You know, honestly, it gives people.
I mean, I'm just looking at it as somebody who, if I were atheist, is the way I would look at it.
It lets people feel good.
It helps them be better people.
What is the problem?
You know, I've said to people who have a problem with my faith, okay, it has made me a better man.
How can you possibly be against that?
Even if it's a lie, which it's not, even if it was a total lie, it has made me a much better man.
That's a good thing, isn't it?
Shouldn't we be cheering that on?
And if your atheism makes you a better person, great.
I'd cheer you on.
Good for you.
But the response to this, the really great response, came from George Rush.
He's a guy who works, and I can't say where he works because I don't know what his deal is because we're trying to get him on tomorrow.
I think maybe he'll be on tomorrow with us.
And I know where he works.
He builds rockets, okay?
And he said, When I was building the spacecraft, one of our engineers would stand behind us while we were laying wire harnesses and read from the Bible.
We would sometimes pray before a large operation.
He brought his Bible into the clean room and privately prayed over a vehicle before we sent it into test.
I'm pretty sure he prayed over the Orion that is being flown on Artemis II as well.
The Orion team was just as religious, if not more religious, than we were.
We are the science, and we're glad astronaut Glover is as faithful as us.
They didn't pray the rocket into space.
They used science.
But they prayed that they would do things right, that they would be at the top of their game, that there would be a bigger purpose for all of this.
How is that a problem?
We don't believe in magic.
Esther and Hidden Genocide00:08:11
You know, if you listen to podcasts, if you're online at all, watching X, you might have heard people talking about the book of Esther recently and how this is, you know, just a story of Persian genocide.
And it shouldn't even be in the Bible because God's not even mentioned in the Bible and they don't even know why.
I'm not going to get involved in any of the podcast wars.
I think it's ridiculous that, you know, stop telling people who you're supposed to hate today.
Okay.
I don't care.
I don't care.
But I do care about facts, and I do care about this story, and I do care about this being discussed.
And it's good that it's being discussed, but can I add some context to this conversation?
Because it's really important.
To say that the book of Esther is about Persian genocide is ridiculous.
It means you really don't know the story.
It's the story of God using the bravery of everyday people to save them from genocide.
Esther was a Jewish woman.
She was raised by her uncle Mordecai in the Persian Empire.
She was plucked from obscurity and given to the king of Persia in a marriage because she was so beautiful.
But it wasn't her beauty that saved her in the end, it was her courage.
An advisor to the king, her husband, named Haman, plotted to kill and plotted a genocide to kill every Jew.
And Esther was asked to risk her life to go to the king.
But you don't go to the king unless you're summoned.
If you're summoned, then you can go.
And then you can do whatever you want.
You can talk to him and plead for the king to intervene.
But if she's not summoned, he could execute her.
And she went in there knowing that she was probably going to be executed.
Her uncle came to her and said one of the most famous lines in the Bible to convince her For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance from the Jews will arise from another place.
And who knows?
But you have come to your royal position.
For such a time as this.
You were put here for the time in which you find yourself.
She goes to the king.
He doesn't execute her.
She says, Look, Haman is trying to kill.
The king eventually kills him, but there's a catch.
The king had signed a decree, and in that system, once you had a decree and it was issued, you could not reverse it or call it off.
The law stood.
So the killing of the Jews planned by Haman was still scheduled.
And so the king wanted to stop it, but he couldn't.
So he said, I'm going to put a second decree out, and that will give Jews the legal right.
To defend themselves if a person, if a person, Persian comes to kill them.
And that is what happened.
It was violent, it was ugly, and the death toll was large enough to get anybody to stop and think twice.
But it was not a campaign to wipe out Persians, it was a response to a state backed plan to wipe out the Jews.
You can call it a lot of things.
You can call it civil conflict, bloodshed, self defense, but calling it genocide flips the entire story on the head and shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
And it treats the response as if it were the original intent, and it wasn't.
The intent was already written down, it was stamped, it was sent out before Esther ever stepped forward.
Okay, that's not the important part for me of Esther.
That's not why I'm telling you.
I just want to correct the story, but I want to talk to you about why I think the story was written down in the first place, because this is the stranger part.
This podcaster said, You know, God's not even mentioned in this.
Why would you put it in the Bible if God's not even mentioned?
He's nowhere in the book, not once is he mentioned.
Yeah.
And if you knew history, you would know that the author of this book did that most likely on purpose.
Everywhere in the Bible, you know, it's always like God going, Glenn, you need to build an ark.
And I'm like, I don't know how to do that.
Build an ark.
And so you go out and build an ark.
But how many times does that happen to you?
Because it doesn't happen to me like that.
I don't know anybody where it happens like that.
Esther is to show you how God works in everyday life.
You look back on what you did, you're like, I don't know, should I do that?
I mean, I am in this position.
Should I say something?
Should I not?
And then you have the courage to do it.
And then that's one piece, and that triggers something else, and there's something else, and it's all a string of coincidence.
That's how God works.
God doesn't say, hey, do this.
Most of us don't get a burning bush moment like that.
We get an idea, we get a feeling we should do the right thing, and then we have to run with it.
If the text had plainly just said, God did this, God moved here, God told them to do this, you'd read it and move on, and you'd be like, God never told me to do anything.
And you'd file it under miracle and close the book.
But Esther is like us.
When you read her story, it just seems like everything falls into place.
A queen at the right place, a well timed advice from an uncle, a sequence of decisions that, you know, taken one at a time, each of them are ordinary.
But when you step back from it, do this with your life.
Step back from your life.
It's pretty miraculous that you are where you are.
And if you don't recognize that, you need to take a look at your life again because a lot of things have come together to put you into the good position that you're in.
Even if you think you're in a horrible position, you're really not.
This writer wrote it for you, the common person.
This writer forces you into a corner.
Either this is just a chain of coincidence that just happens to save an entire people at the exact moment they're marked for death, or God works in a different way without announcing himself.
This is so important because this is where we are.
I am convinced that God is working through all of us, all of us.
And we have to wrestle with the invisible, the unnamed hand guiding everything.
In our own lives, you don't need to read the word God in Esther's story to see God everywhere in it.
God shows up in the humanness of the doubt, of the humanness of the fear.
And then God is the clear force that drives Esther to make the impossible choice to risk her life to save people when she could have stayed quiet and lived a life of luxury while everyone else was massacred.
God's not written in the words.
It's written in their actions, in human actions, in your actions.
We need Esther in the Bible to remind us to do the right thing, even when we're not sure God is even looking.
And if you do that throughout your life, I promise you, you will look back on your life and you will see how everything just lined up perfectly.
And you will see God everywhere.
That, my friend, is why God is not mentioned in Esther.
That, my friend, is why Esther is included in the Bible.
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So, Maggie Haberman in the New York Times has a story out now that says that everybody, everybody in the cabinet was against the war in Iran.
And she's got all these inside quotes and everything else.
And everybody was telling Donald Trump not to do it, but he just wouldn't listen to them.
And apparently, this is supposed to be a bad thing.
Can I just.
Point out a couple of things.
The Democrats don't allow dissent.
You are not allowed to disagree.
You disagree on life, you're out.
You disagree on, you know, DEI, you're out.
You disagree on global warming, you're out.
You disagree on anything and you are out.
You're an enemy.
Here is the cabinet, according to Maggie Haberman, whether it's true or not.
She usually has good sources, but whether it's true or not, I don't know.
But she's claiming that the cabinet was against the war.
Okay.
Why is that a problem?
This is probably the most important thing we should talk about.
This is probably the most important thing we should all not be in lockstep on, and we should have a debate.
So the president walks into the cabinet room and they debate it.
Isn't that what a cabinet should do?
And you notice what didn't happen?
Two things really important did not happen.
He didn't fire everybody because they disagreed with him.
Donald Trump actually likes to have alternative voices.
It keeps him in check.
I know.
I've been around him.
I've seen him talk to people.
I have friends who have talked to him and said, really bad idea, Mr. President.
Really bad idea.
Why?
I have said, really bad idea, Mr. President.
Really?
Why?
Tell me.
And he will.
And he doesn't fire you.
He doesn't banish you to Siberia.
You're no longer, you know, you can't be part of the party anymore.
That's what Democrats do.
He doesn't do that.
Isn't it important to have people who disagree, especially on something like this war?
Shouldn't we applaud that there was a discussion?
First of all, Biden didn't have cabinet meetings.
His cabinet never met.
This guy is having cabinet meetings.
And now we find out that he had a discussion and they disagreed.
And then we find out.
And he chose his own path, even though they disagreed.
The president, who is the duly elected person, chose his own path, and he didn't fire them.
And here's the other thing the second thing you need to take from this.
And what did they do?
Like all good governments, like all good teams do, when you advise and consent, You advise.
Mr. President, I think this is a very bad idea.
Glenn, tell me about that.
Well, this point, this point, this point, this point.
I thought about it.
I disagree with you on point number one and two, but I've also thought of that and I missed that third point because of this.
So I'm going to do it anyway.
Mr. President, it is your decision to make.
I'm not the president.
I advise and I consent.
Now, you can quit.
And that's perfectly healthy.
I really disagreed with this and I quit because I cannot be a part of that.
And that has happened in the past.
They didn't quit and they weren't fired.
They weren't stifled.
Instead, they did what all good teams do.
You discuss it.
You hash it out.
You might even have a brawl over it.
But then once the decision is made, you work as a team to do and execute what the decision maker has said we're doing.
I haven't seen that in a long time.
I mean, without threats, I haven't seen that in a long time.
That's the way an American team should work.
And Maggie, I'm glad you exposed this.
I'm glad that you show that the president doesn't fire people when they disagree with him, that he can have adult conversations.
That's the way it should be.
This is the most important thing any of us can talk about.
This is why I've been, since the day it happened, I have come on the air with you every day and I say, I don't know how this is going to work out.
Here's what I feel.
Here's what I'm thinking.
Here's what I suspect is happening.
Here's the way I'm looking at this.
But I don't know.
It could turn out horribly.
And we should never silence.
You are not a traitor for being against the war.
You're not.
You are not a traitor for saying, I disagree with this.
I think this is dangerous.
That doesn't make you a traitor.
That makes you a patriot.
The same can be said and should be said by you to people who say, I've done my thinking on this and I think this is good.
I think this is the right thing to do.
You could disagree with that, but they are a patriot as well.
Where you fail to be a patriot is when you try to silence the other side.
And you notice that's what the president didn't do.
Here, and if we were living in a place where there was a king or he was a dictator, Maggie Haberman would be in jail at best.
No dictator, no king would allow that to be printed.
It's printed, it's out, and he's not going after Maggie Haberman and he's not going after his cabinet.
You know who he is going after, somebody who, in his own, either Defense Department or cabinet we don't know who it was, We don't know who it was, but somebody leaked and said, Yeah, there's the second pilot that is out, that almost got one of our people killed because of that leak.
That leak he's upset about.
And he's not upset at the press.
He's saying, Due to national security, I want to ask the people that work at that press organization to tell me who leaked it because that is a violation of national security.
That could have gotten that person killed and could have gotten all of our troops killed.
We had 100 special forces down on the ground looking in this one area.
They could have gotten everybody killed.
You don't do that in war.
But of course, he's a dictator because of that.
But they don't notice he's not a dictator when it comes to Maggie Haberman.
Isn't that odd?
I think that's the theme of today's show.
The hypocrisy.
I can't take it, even from our own side.
I just can't take it.
We should be able to have conversations that are controversial and be able to still look at each other, have reasonable conversations, and still look at each other and say, I really so strongly disagree with you, but thank you for that point of view.
Thank you.
And then when the decision is made, that's the other thing that's so frustrating about this whole thing to me the decision's been made.
And we can advise.
We can advise.
But we've gone from, hey, I don't think this is right.
I should let my voice be heard to my senators, to my president.
We've gone to letting the whole world know.
That we think our president is a warmonger.
We think our president will vaporize everybody.
That we think he's a war criminal.
You know, WLW in Cincinnati, a legendary radio station, WLW in Cincinnati was the first, I think it was a million watt transmitter.
I'm trying to remember.
Is it a million watt or a hundred thousand watt?
It was something that's never been made ever again.
I think it was a million watts.
And it would have been heard.
Not only coast to coast, 700 WLW would have been heard around the world, okay?
Because at night, because of the way AM radio works, it would hit the ionosphere and it would skip, and you would be able to hear it in Europe.
So they spend all this money, and RCA develops all this technology, and they put this million watt transmitter in.
It was never used.
It was never used.
Why?
Because Cincinnati was known as Heartland.
Cincinnati was not reflecting the views of New York or Washington.
It was the views of the Heartland.
And FDR said, we cannot afford to have Germany or Italy or Spain hearing the views of the Heartland.
We can't have that because it will give them information about how our people are thinking that they shouldn't have.
Let them at least work for it.
But we are all on X thinking that it's just going to be us.
It's just going to be us.
It's just, I'm just putting it out there.
You are giving our enemies all kinds of ammunition.
You are teaching them everything they need to know on how to hit you, how to hit our country.
And nobody's thinking about that.
Nobody's thinking about the power of them, the power of their one comment.
And you know what?
We're not going to get people to think about it.
We're just not.
I would like to challenge you to think about it.
And not what you're posting, but who you're reading, who you're following.
Start unfollowing some of these people.
If they told you yesterday that Donald Trump was going to nuke everything, they have no credibility.
You should just stop following them, stop listening to them.
If they told you he was going to be a war criminal yesterday, and now he's a chicken hawk, They have no credibility.
Stop.
Stop putting those kinds of things into your mind.
Because not only do those tweets actually affect the whole world, it affects you personally.
Every time you put one of those messages into your head, it sticks there.
I want you to look at everybody you're reading today and say, what is it they're hoping for?
Because there are those who are hoping for the destruction of Donald Trump over the destruction of the evil regime in Iran.
They're hoping for the destruction of Trump.
The way some people are presenting themselves, again, it is patriotic to disagree with war.
But the way you are being presented, so many people are presenting it, it is the cheering on of the destruction of America, the loss for America.
We should all realize this war is happening.
We're in it.
We're in it.
We don't control the end of it.
We can protest, we can speak out, but we should do so responsibly.
Because I don't want America to lose.
What is it that the people you're reading are hoping for today?
I am hoping for a peaceful conclusion, one that we can live with, one that defangs, declaws, and hopefully, I mean, in my wildest dreams, the people of Iran are set free and can be themselves from these religious zealot monsters.
But I don't know if that's going to happen.
But I don't want them controlling the Straits.
I don't want them to be exporting terror.
That's a win.
And I'm very clear on that.
We can't do all this and then just go back to the way it was.
That's not a win.
That's not a win.
That's what I'm hoping for.
Why is it everyone is either hoping or telling you that we've already lost?