Brandon Darby and Lue Elizondo analyze Mexico's decisive takedown of El Mencho, warning that while this decapitation strike fragments cartel power, it risks escalating violence in tourist hubs like Cancun. The discussion shifts to the U.S. men's hockey gold medal as a symbol of unity amidst political division before Elizondo urges urgent UAP research to prevent strategic surprise from adversaries, noting historical Pentagon and Vatican views of these phenomena as demonic entities rather than extraterrestrial technology. Ultimately, the episode highlights how immediate security threats and existential mysteries demand decisive action beyond traditional narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
Brandon Darby talks about what's happening in Mexico, and it's really, really good and a little bit frightening as well.
Also, how is somebody who we did not even know their name 24 hours ago now the one guy that everyone wants to talk about?
How we can understand what happened with America, the gold, and the hockey game.
And UFOs, Lou Elizondo joins us to talk about the latest on the search for UFOs.
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Brandon Darby is joining us.
He is the editor-in-chief for Breitbart, Texas.
He is also Breitbart Cartel Chronicle co-founder and director.
He was on with me in April.
And in April, we talked about this particular cartel and the head.
El Mencho's Escape and Asylum Cartels00:15:44
And he said, the United States isn't serious unless we get this guy.
But this guy is protected by the Mexican Secretary of Defense.
Well, apparently that has changed.
So we wanted to bring Brandon on.
First of all, Brandon, you've been reporting on this for years and years, if not decades.
Did you ever think this day would come?
No.
And Glenn, thank you for having me on.
Good morning to you and your listeners.
I am super excited.
I did not expect this.
I believed the Trump administration, when they were warning Mexico, they said basically, hey, you're going to get this guy.
You're going to take this seriously, or we're going to take it seriously Without your consent.
And I thought that that's probably what would end up happening.
I did not expect Mexico to play ball and actually help.
No.
So why?
What do you think the president said to the, because I don't think the president of Mexico is a fan of America and certainly not a fan of Donald Trump's.
What did he say, do you think, that got them to act on this?
Because this is a really big deal.
Right.
So I think my best estimation at this point of what happened was that the Mexican president, Gloria Scheinbaum, knew about this, but that the rest of her cabinet did not.
I know that roughly, was it probably February 15th or so, Navy SEALs began to train a group within the Mexican army, Sedena, for a specific training that no one, it was obscure.
No one knew what it was about.
Well, it turns out this is what it was about.
So I know that those Mexican military folks were sequestered.
So their phones or any mechanism they had to communicate with the outside world was taken from them.
And they did this operation.
The Mexican government did this operation.
So I think that it's very well documented.
The current Secretary of Defense for Mexico being heavily connected with El Mincho.
So obviously, they didn't know.
So it was kept very secret.
There is a possibility that this was done without the approval of the Mexican president, but she is kind of running a victory lap so far.
So I don't think that's the case.
I think it really is a situation.
If we look at the history, every time the U.S. has found El Mincho and tried to work with counterparts in Mexico to get him, El Mincho was tipped off and was told, hey, they're about to get you, so he would be missing or he would be gone.
And this time that did not happen.
This time, it was kept close to the chest, and they were able to pull it off.
And now he's gone.
I question the narrative that El Mincho and two others were injured and then were being flown to Mexico City and they all happened to die on the helicopter ride to Mexico City, right?
Like I question that narrative.
I think that he was probably going to die.
He's probably killed.
They probably decided, hey, if we let this guy in our system, he is so connected that he's going to get out.
He's going to be able to get out and kill our families.
So I think they killed him.
That's the most likely scenario.
And now we are in a very different stage, as I've said before.
If someone this powerful, the top of the top, can be taken out, it tells everyone in Mexico who's involved in cartels that they can also be gotten and that they better keep it in check or they might be.
What does it mean for the president of Mexico?
Because she would have done this herself long ago.
This obviously is she's kowtowing to Donald Trump or not.
Absolutely.
Well, so if you look at if you look at the social media statements of Mexico's leading politicians and Mexico's leading journalists, they're doing everything they can to take credit away from Trump and the Trump administration and the Trump administration's approach.
They're saying that this was another person in the administration who pushed this.
Trump had nothing to do with it, but that's not true.
What happened is that yes, whatever they want to say.
And I don't understand.
I'm going to be honest with you.
It's very difficult for me to understand the liberal mind, even though once when I was younger, I was one of them.
Sometimes they still just blow my mind with the blows my mind, right?
The logic sometimes blows my mind.
But the mental defense.
The gymnastics blows my mind that we, you know, folks like you and I try to, in our movement, hold us accountable to be intellectually consistent, right?
That's okay.
They do it differently.
That's fine.
That's their business.
But, you know, what happened here is that Trump began to hit narco votes, showing that he was willing to do things that had not been done prior.
Trump took out Maduro.
Trump took, I mean, he went down the line.
And, you know, Pete Hegseff and others in the administration openly warned Mexico that you will either help do this or we will do it unilaterally because it affects our country.
What Mexico began to do was to hand us, you know, they started to crack down on cartels as a whole, and they started to hand us significant figures who we wanted.
However, if you looked at it, the vast majority of them up until about a month ago, maybe two months ago, were all of the opposition and all of the competition to Cartel Jalisco and El Mincho.
So in an effort to appease us and look like they were taking it seriously, they were actually still helping El Mincho.
They were protecting him and they were taking out his adversaries as proof that they were serious about cartels.
And a couple of months ago, we started to see them going after Cartel Jalisco.
They took his number three guy and they gave him to the U.S. quickly because the last time he was arrested, he was let go, right?
Immediately, a judge let him go.
And so what happened was that they realized that you're either going to do this and help us or the U.S. is going to do it alone and the political fallout will be horrible for you if the U.S. takes unilateral military action in your country.
And they decided to play ball and to actually roll the dice and go for it.
And that's what they've done.
What is the fallout for us here in America?
Because they have operatives all over the United States.
All over.
Well, I think that what we have to look at is we have to go back historically to what's happened with other cartels, right?
Even though the other cartels did not have the level of power and influence that El Mincho had.
But what happens is you have like the Gulf cartel, who operates south of Texas along the, you know, the Gulf of America, I call it.
Some people say Gulf of Mexico still.
They're antiquated, but I say Gulf of America.
You know, that cartel had centralized power of Mexico's central government.
They had state power, all types of power.
We began to decapitate them and decapitate them every time a leader popped his head up.
And what you're left with is 10 to 15 glorified gangbangers units who really have no, they no longer have central power over the central government of Mexico.
They no longer really even have power over the state that they live in, Tama Lipas in Mexico.
They just have county power and little, they're glorified gangs.
And they still call themselves the Gulf Cartel, but they're so weakened at this point that they really don't have the type of power they've had historically.
And that's what's probably going to happen here.
There's going to be an uptick in violence, which liberals will blame on Trump, even though they're not crediting him with taking out the guy, right?
That's what I meant by mental gymnastics.
They'll blame the violence on Trump and on the United States, but there will be an uptick in violence as four or five different groups fight for power and fight for control.
They'll become factionalized, and then we'll take out the heads of those groups, and then they'll become even more fractional and factionalized.
And ultimately, they'll no longer have central power over Mexico's government.
And they'll no longer have that.
They'll have regional power, and then we'll take them out.
And then the next thing you know, they'll be reduced to having power over their block, their street.
That's the goal.
So the effects of this will be long.
I do not think we'll see a lot of acts of narco-terrorism within the U.S. because of this.
I don't know that, but I don't think so.
I think that the statement made is that it doesn't matter how powerful you are.
Like, if you put yourself in a position to become the focus of the United States government, we can and will get you.
And I think that this results in a lot of folks trying to keep their heads down and not being as ostentatious as El Mencho was when he was alive.
Are we going to see a transformation of Mexico?
Do you think do they have the stomach to finish this job or is somebody else just going to step in?
Well, I think that's going to, but it's a great question, Glenn.
I think that's going to depend on what we do in this country.
You know, if the next time we get a leader, if that leader is very left-leaning and soft on, you know, soft on drugs and soft on crime, and if that leader is also soft on illegal migration, right?
If that leader is soft on asylum claims and they allow tens of millions of people to show up at our border as they did in the last administration, keeping in mind that several of these cartels have business models that are primarily based on asylum claimants, right, and on illegal immigration.
They were making as much or more, like various factions of the Gulf Cartel and Los Etos was making as much or more from the people showing up at our border claiming asylum than they were making from drugs.
So if we do things in this country that increase the pull factors and increase the economic engines for various Mexican cartels, then we're going to be in trouble.
But if we continue to, say in the best case scenario, right, say that we have JD Vance and he continues with the Trump policies and the Trump focus on Mexican cartels, I think that we have a very good shot at Mexico becoming a better place, which is very important for us because it affects us directly, right?
You got to keep in mind, you know, like Americans didn't want fentanyl and then El Mincho began to manufacture fentanyl, right?
El Mincho began to manufacture fentanyl and then the desire for more of it, right?
It was a push issue, not a demand issue.
Obviously, that's a complicated issue, but it was more of a push and not so much a demand that caused the supply.
It was the supply that pushed the demand when it came to that.
So it really just depends on what we do.
But I can tell you this: if Mexico were going to become a better place, if our southern neighbor was going to get healthier, this is exactly what was required for that to happen.
So this isn't the armistice.
This isn't the end of the war.
This isn't, you know, Germany surrendering, but this is definitely, yesterday was definitely D-Day, right?
And we definitely took land and we definitely established a beachhead.
And so I am very hopeful.
I think this shows that the current Mexican president is actually trying to work with the U.S.
No, I don't think she would have if it weren't for Trump's pressure.
But regardless of that, this shows a serious step in the right direction.
Brandon, 45 seconds left.
Talk directly to anybody who's thinking spring break's going to be great.
I'm going to Mexico no matter what.
I would not allow my children to go to Mexico right now.
I would not allow my children to go to even the safe areas like Cancun or Puerto Vallarta because they're obviously not safe.
But keep in mind, those are economic engines for cartels.
As they fight each other, they're going to try to hurt each other's economic engines.
And you just might find yourself or your child or your college student caught in crossfire.
I would not do that right now.
I would wait a bit on going to Mexico.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it, Brandon.
We'll talk again.
Great job on calling this one.
You bet.
Bye-bye.
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America Feels Like A Team00:11:22
So last night was fabulous, or yesterday was fabulous, when we found out that the U.S. hockey team won the gold.
Let me give you a couple of scenes from this.
First of all, I don't know if you've seen, if you happen to be watching on Torch, you will see you'll see the picture.
This is Jack Hughes smiling after the win, which I just absolutely love.
Do you have that full screen?
There he is.
I mean, blood in his mouth.
I mean, this is an American.
This is an American.
Okay.
Here's the moment he scored the game-winning goal.
Listen, cut one.
The golden goal for the United States!
For the first time since the 1980 miracle, the United States takes the ball!
It's the greatest.
It is the greatest.
It is the greatest.
It feels good.
You know, Donald Trump said at one point, you're going to get sick of winning.
I'm not sick of it.
I am not sick of it.
Now, they sang the national anthem, and I want to play just a little bit of the hockey team singing the national anthem.
They're not singers.
They're hockey players, but they were proud to be an American.
They were proud to be there representing us.
That is what felt so good.
We don't feel that very often anymore.
And the left is saying, oh, it's a MAGA win.
MAGA's a, shut up.
Shut up.
This should be something for all Americans to enjoy.
I'm tired of being ashamed of my country.
I'm not ashamed.
I should say, I'm tired of people trying to make me ashamed of my country.
I'm tired of people being ashamed of our country.
Have we made mistakes?
Yeah.
Show me the country that has made fewer that are 230 years old or 250 years old.
Show me the country.
We all suck at some point, but we try and strive to get better.
Look, when he brought home or helped bring home the gold, it landed differently than, you know, than most gold medals land.
Okay.
And it's partly because of him, but it's also partly because of us.
Hockey is different.
Now, you're going to have to excuse me because I know nothing about hockey.
I mean, I know nothing about sports, but from what little I have read, excuse me for the first two points, but I think they're accurate.
Okay.
There are five reasons why this hit differently for all of us.
The first one, this is a new generation of American hockey.
We lived, when I was growing up, we lived in the shadow of Canada and the old Soviet Union, and that was a machine.
And the miracle of 1980, that was just blue-collar grit.
That was just, you know, that was lake placid.
It was sacrifice.
Hughes is different.
He is speed.
He's skill.
He's flash.
He's confidence.
He's the face of the New Jersey Devils, former number one overall draft pick.
He is the guy who represents the American hockey player development, kids coming out of the U.S. national team development program who don't just compete internationally, they're dominating.
And that shift matters because we've always kind of been this borrowed excellence or we were the, you know, we were not the, we didn't dominate.
We borrowed.
Now it's all homegrown.
There's the first reason.
This is homegrown.
It's a new generation.
Two, he has a style that I think Americans recognize.
He plays like a modern American athlete.
He is creative.
He is fast.
He is fearless.
He walks off with no teeth in the front.
I mean, he's willing to take over.
Okay.
Gold medals mean more to us when they're played or when they're won by players who feel distinctly American in their temperament.
They're assertive, they're confident, and a little defiant.
That's who we are.
Okay?
And he didn't just compete.
He imposed himself on these games.
Americans like that.
The rest of the world may not like that, but that's who we are.
We're the people who cross the Rocky Mountains.
Okay?
Third reason, gold still seems really rare in hockey.
Okay.
Basketball.
I mean, we have the dream team in basketball.
Oh, we won the gold?
What a shock.
Expected.
Baseball, you know, everybody's competitive.
Football, that's ours, of course.
But hockey, hockey still carries an old weight to it.
It feels like you're taking something back from the old powers of Canada and Sweden and Russia.
When the U.S. wins gold in hockey, it's earned the hard way.
And when a young American star is at the center of that, I don't know, it just kind of feels like momentum, right?
Feels good.
Now, here's the fourth reason why this feels different.
Timing.
We are in the weirdest place of my lifetime.
We are culturally divided.
We are cynical.
We're exhausted by politics.
And sports, at least this sports moment, it was clean.
It was earned.
It was unified.
And it hits harder right now when somebody, look, listen, play the cut of him.
Let me see where I can find it.
Play the cut where he is talking about how lucky he is.
Cut three.
I'm lucky I'm from the best country in the world.
And we got great dentists there, too.
So I'm lucky I'm American and they're going to fix me right up.
Standing there listening to the anthem.
What's going through your head?
Just so proud.
I'm so proud to be American.
I'm so proud of this group.
I'm so happy that we could win.
You know, we have so many people here supporting us.
We have so many people back home supporting us.
And, you know, we're just, we're so thrilled with how this whole tournament played out.
And, you know, just an unbelievable moment for USA Hockey.
We've been feeling that love for so many years.
You know, so many of these guys have been with USA hockey for so long.
We have so many ex-players, ex-Olympians.
All the guys we looked up to reached out to us.
We got their notes on the wall in the locker room, and they sent some unbelievable messages.
Stuff that, you know, puts tears in your eyes, honestly, because it means so much to them.
It means so much to us.
And the next batch of kids in the next 20 years, it's going to mean so much to them.
So that's why we do this.
The USA Hockey Brotherhood is so strong.
We're so proud that we could do it for them.
We're so proud we could do it for everyone back home.
I mean, how great is that?
There's no scandal.
There's no theatrics.
There's just excellence and teamwork.
Let me play the next cut.
They brought the kids of Johnny Godreaux out.
He was killed by a drunk driver last year alongside his brother.
And they bring his two kids out on the, he would have been playing in the Olympics.
And they bring his kids out, play a little bit of this.
And as we look behind, Dylan Larkin and Zach Berensky have gone into the stands to go get Johnny's kids.
They're going to come out now.
and they're gonna hold your dad's jersey and get a picture with the gold medal team how beautiful was You talk about sports and you talk about the togetherness of a team.
That's why they won the gold.
And that's what mattered to us.
I mean, this is the story of Jack.
He's the face of it, but it's not the story of Jack.
It is the team.
It's the team.
There was a time when America felt like a team.
And I don't know about you, but I'm longing to feel like a team again.
I don't know why we can't get on to the, you know, USA team, but we can't.
There's too many people that hate America, that are Americans.
I don't get it.
I just don't get it.
But, you know, to each his own.
And the fifth reason, I think, is because of the story of his family.
Another thing that is important to America.
Jack's not just a one-off.
He is a hockey family.
His brother is a star for the Vancouver Canucks, and I'm not going to hold that against him.
His other brother also plays for the Devils.
Three elite American players from one family.
There is something to that that speaks to us about our family in a deeper way.
Discipline, structure, parental investment, people who work hard.
This family obviously works hard, trains hard, and is a unit.
That's the American ideal.
Build it at home, take it to the world stage.
That's why this hit us all so hard, because it feels like a torch is being passed to the next generation, and they're lighting an entirely new flame.
American development is beating the old system.
Excellence without shame or apology.
Unity without politics.
And family.
I mean, that was not a medal you saw.
That was the symbol of something that Americans are hungry to feel again.
That we're not fading away.
That we can still produce the very best in the world.
That our young men and women can walk into the hardest arenas on earth and come out champions no matter what everyone else is telling them.
And in hockey, of all things and all sports, it still feels like we're proving something.
Spiritual Space and National Security00:13:01
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Glenn, I'm doing better than I deserve.
You know, I tell people at my age, any day above ground is a good day.
Yeah, I'm with you on that one.
So do you remember having that conversation where you said the clock is ticking?
I do.
I remember that, Glenn.
I sure do.
So what did you mean by that?
Well, look, in the world of national security, the clock is always ticking.
And what do I mean by that?
Well, you know, there are foreign adversaries out there that are very much involved in the research of UAP like we are, just like our country.
And what you don't want to do is allow ourselves to get to a point of what we call strategic surprise, right?
All of a sudden you have country X or country Y out there that may not necessarily be friendly to the U.S.
And all of a sudden they find they have a breakthrough, right?
So China has already admitted they have their own UAP program.
So does Russia.
And what we don't want to do is allow ourselves to fall behind some of our adversaries' capabilities.
Now, there's also another part of that conversation, too.
What you don't want to do is allow so much time to go by that by the time you are forced to make a decision, all your options, you've exhausted.
Meaning, let's say that there is an announcement, let's say later this year, that life has been discovered somewhere else off of Earth, right?
You don't want to be in a situation as a government where you are caught flat-footed and surprised by that statement.
You want to be as proactive as possible.
You want to be able to have the conversation, socialize the idea with your citizens.
Because let's face it, governments writ large are the reason why they have the authority they do is because people have faith and confidence in those institutions and those governments.
And the last place any government wants to be is on their back foot, right?
In a situation where they get surprised.
And now, like we saw, for example, with the drone incursions that we had back in 2024 up in New Jersey, right?
First, the White House says there's nothing to see here, folks.
And they say, well, actually, there is something to see here.
Well, actually, all of these drones have been coordinated through the FAA.
Well, no, they haven't.
We don't even know if they're drones at this point.
Or the Chinese spy balloon, right?
Under the Biden administration.
That's another case in point where decisions were made on our behalf because we simply didn't want to face the uncomfortable truth that China was sending reconnaissance balloons over North America completely unchallenged.
So you started this out with imagine country X or Y.
So are you saying that we're possibly facing something from another country?
Well, I think all is possible.
All cards have to remain on the table until they're not.
I think there is enough information to suggest that other countries are heavily invested in this topic.
But keep in mind, we've been dealing with this now for decades.
And when I say decades, at least eight decades, that's 80 years.
We've been dealing with this phenomenon.
And if you look 80 years ago, where was Russia?
Well, you know, we had just, the United States had just entered the atomic age.
We had barely broken the sound barrier.
No one has been into space.
And that means some country secretly was developing this technology and was able to perfect it eight decades ago.
So that doesn't make sense, right?
If that was the case, this would be considered the worst intelligence failure in the history of our nation, eclipsing that of even 9-11, because that means for 80 years, some country in secret has been developing this technology.
And oh, by the way, has been able to deploy it over controlled U.S. airspace, over our sensitive military facilities, and there's not a darn thing we can do about it.
So when you look back at this from a temporal aspect or a time aspect, it simply doesn't make sense that all of this, what we're seeing, is Russian or Chinese.
It doesn't pass the smell test.
And you're not the only one that said this.
2027 keeps coming up, and you just said later this year or in 2027.
Why is 2027 the year that everybody keeps throwing around?
Because it doesn't seem random to me.
Everybody seems to be saying 2027.
Yeah, I've heard 2027.
I also heard 2036.
The capacity in which I heard it, I'd rather not get into.
I heard it when I was working with U.S. Space Force.
But it was, to me, it seemed more anecdotal.
So I'm probably not best suited to answer that time-wise, simply because I didn't come up with that timeframe.
But like you, I heard that as well.
And certainly something we need to pay attention to.
So Laura Trump just came out and said there's a speech for the president to give, and he's prepared to give it at some point.
Is that a speech?
Do you think she's referring to a speech that every president has had?
Or is this something that is prepared for this time, do you think?
I think it's probably something prepared for this time, simply because a lot of presidents were kept in the dark on this topic for a very long time.
And I don't think they took it seriously.
Certainly this president during his first term, initially when he was asked, kind of laughed it off.
And then later, from my understanding, he received some briefings and then took it quite seriously afterwards.
But look, it's a very risky topic.
Any president that makes a public statement about this topic runs a huge risk simply because there's a lot of unknowns.
And it has never really been good for one's career necessarily or even the media up until recently to even cover this topic because the amount of stigma and taboo that have been associated purposely, by the way, on this topic, on purpose, our own government created this taboo unnecessarily to give it the flexibility to actually do research.
A lot of people are surprised when they find out that ATIP was actually a program in the Pentagon that was studying UFOs.
That's what my colleagues and I were told to do.
And you said it absolutely correct.
I was never a quote-unquote believer.
I went through the medical program at University of Miami, and technically I graduated in microbiology and immunology.
So the scientific method for me is very important.
Also, as an intelligence officer, you have to let the facts speak for themselves.
However, with that said, there comes a point where you have so much overwhelming evidence, and you have some of the most sophisticated capabilities, technologically speaking, in the intelligence community that normally can identify the difference between an F-16 and, let's say, a MiG-25 from 25 miles away.
These same sensor systems are being used to collect information on things that, frankly, we don't understand, technologically speaking.
These things can outperform anything we have in our inventory.
And that is a national security issue.
And I believe that our president has been made aware of that.
And not just by the Department of War either.
There's other elements, the FBI, the intelligence community, even the Department of Energy that all have equity in this topic.
One of my researchers said the reason why the government is so afraid of all this coming out is because if there is technology that we got from someplace else and it was shared with certain companies, then other companies will start suing and saying, well, I didn't get any of that.
That's an unfair advantage.
Do you think there's anything to that?
Yeah, you're absolutely correct.
Yeah, absolutely.
Look, there's back, you know, with the military-industrial complex, there's still rules and laws that have to be followed.
And you have to have free and fair competition.
That is how this system works.
And if it turns out that maybe some general somewhere in the halls of the Pentagon gave a company an unfair advantage, you can imagine in 10 years, 20 years, company A becomes a multi-billion dollar aerospace company where company B goes bankrupt, 200 jobs are lost, and investors lose their investment, right?
So there's securities exchange commissions violations.
I mean, you could, in theory, rack up not just billions, but trillions of dollars worth of liability and damages.
So that is a very real issue.
That is absolutely correct.
One last thing.
What is the You were on the podcast with me and you talked about a spiritual element of all of this.
I think you said you walked into a meeting and the scientists were talking about something spiritual and we didn't really get into it.
Can you share that again?
Sure.
Well, let me just say this, Glenn, if I can.
I think ultimately the human experience is a spiritual experience.
There's no way around it.
A lot of people say that we're humans having a spiritual experience.
I tend to think we're spiritual beings having a human experience.
But that aside, there were elements in the Pentagon that believed that what we were looking into were actually demons.
And there were some fundamentalists that believed that this was all the work of so to speak, the devil.
Now, I can't, between you and me, and I guess now everybody else, I can't necessarily fault them for thinking that, because if that is their spiritual perspective, then I can understand it.
And there are elements certainly within this topic that may scare some people.
But I don't want it to be true.
Can you tell me, like, sure.
Yeah, there were people in the Pentagon that believed that UFOs, not only did they say they were real, they actually told me to my face and my colleagues, but that we shouldn't be looking into them because they are demons.
They're demonic.
They are.
We know exactly what they are.
And again, some of these people are very, very senior in the intelligence community.
Some of them were friends of mine.
And although I don't agree with their perspective, look, at the end of the day, I can't prove that they're wrong either.
So I respect it.
I don't agree with it, but I can respect that fear that this topic brings.
Do you have any idea why they would say something like that?
Well, what was told to me point blank was, Lou, have you read your Bible lately?
And I thought I was pretty familiar with it.
Why?
And he said, well, then you would know because what we're dealing with are demons and we shouldn't be looking into them.
And that was the extent of that conversation I had with a senior leader in the U.S. government.
But there were others as well who felt the same way.
There's a lot of people that also can point to the Bible and they'll talk about Ezekiel's wheel, right, as being actually an interpretation of an encounter with the UAP.
So I spent some time at the Vatican and I'll tell you, I'll share this.
That was kind of interesting and I'll make it quick.
There they opened a scroll.
It was a very old archman.
It was in Latin.
And one of the senior academics there at the Vatican said, look, here, read this part.
And it talked about eclipus.
Eclipus is a Latin word for, like, think of eclipse.
And it was the word they were using for the Roman shields because the Roman shields were round and lenticular.
They looked, I guess, like suns.
And he said, here it is.
And this was a discussion between a Roman soldier and a Roman general where they described these flaming Roman shields in the sky that would follow them from battle space to battle space.
And so, you know, this is going way back.
And this is a document that's in the possession of the Vatican itself.
So the Vatican has also had a deep interest in this topic.
The last Pope actually said, I believe several years ago, that we should not be surprised that life exists and is abundant in the universe, that God has the ability to create as many species as he wants.
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And it doesn't necessarily mean that we are any less special.
Lou, it's always fascinating to talk to you.
We'll keep watching.
Thank you so much.
All right, my honor and privilege.
Thank you so much.
You bet.
Former Pentagon UAP official, guy who led the search here recently.