Forrie J. Smith champions the "cowboy" archetype as a symbol of American justice and integrity, recounting his physical confrontation on set with a livestock coordinator who violated his equipment's placement. He critiques modern environmental regulations and government oversight, citing the Bureau of Land Management's role in decimating bison herds while accusing meatpacking firms of mob-like behavior. Smith details cartel operations he witnessed in the 1980s, including marijuana smuggled beneath plywood in cattle trucks and fears that fentanyl imports threaten the water supply. He argues that foreign ownership of American companies like United Artists and Budweiser undermines national sovereignty, warning that reliance on overseas manufacturing could leave the U.S. vulnerable in war while domestic division fuels civil unrest. [Automatically generated summary]
I want you to close your eyes for a second and think about America and the image that comes to mind.
America.
Maybe you think of our flag, fireworks, 4th of July, burgers, fries.
I mean, that comes to mind without anybody saying America, to me, an awful lot.
But when you really think about America, I think mountains, I think West, I think cowboys.
The image of a cowboy perfectly captures the American spirit.
It's a man taming the land, the West, working with the environment and with God, just carving a path through life, taming the animal, loving the animal, working with the animal, hardworking, godly, adventurous, sometimes spar fighting, but it's America.
The cowboy is a man who believes in justice and family, has a healthy dose of, you know, kind of rowdy independence, but also is a man of his word.
The cowboy contract is a handshake looking a man in the eye saying, I give you my word.
The American cowboy, a free man.
Meet the Real Cowboy00:02:54
Today I'm going to talk to a real cowboy.
I mean, he plays one on TV, but he is that guy.
He has been his whole life.
You'll know him as Lloyd Pierce, the oldest ranch hand on the fictional Yellowstone Dutton Ranch.
But today, I want you to meet the man behind the role to find out why he is speaking up on issues that matter most to him.
America, needing more cowboys.
Welcome to the podcast from the Smash Hit television show Yellowstone, actor and actual American cowboy, Forey J. Smith.
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I feel like I should call you Lloyd, but I know you're foreign.
But I feel like I know you.
How much Fore is in Lloyd and how much Lloyd is in Fore?
Well, that's a good question.
I met Taylor on Heller High Water.
It's working as a Wrangler.
I was the head wrangler on that.
And I had horses and cows and my dogs and everything on that.
And he told me after I had some issues, I had to get in the first AD face, poked him in the chest.
And I had the guy that hired me, the livestock coordinator, move my truck and trailer.
I didn't know who it was.
I rode up and I roped him, pulled him right out the door.
Wrangling Horses and Cows00:15:06
You don't move my truck and trailer and reached in, took the keys out and rode back over next to Taylor.
And here he comes.
And he's like, he won't be here tomorrow.
He's run off.
I'll run him off.
He'll be gone tomorrow.
And he couldn't do it.
I had half a dozen horses, 30 head of cows, 10 head of burrows, you know, all leased and under my name on the movie.
You know, there's no way he could.
But what was really cool, and I knew that me and Taylor would leaned over my horse and looked the guy in the eye and goes, try and go move my truck and see what happens, asshole.
But you are a, I mean, he told me later, he says, yeah, I'm writing a modern, been contracted to do a mod ride a modern western and you're going to be in it.
Wow.
Wow.
I said, yeah, I've heard that BS before.
He says, not from me, though, you have.
And I'll tell you what, Taylor Sheridan's been a man of his word.
That's cool.
You are a, I mean, you're a real cowboy.
I mean, I mean, you can tell by the hat, first of all.
Yeah.
Cool hat.
Thank you.
I should take it off proper etiquette for me to take it off while we're doing this interview, but you'll wear it if you want.
Well, that's the way I was raised.
Yeah.
There is cowboy etiquette.
Real cowboy etiquette.
Yeah.
I didn't know that about the hat.
I'm going to have to remember.
I know you wouldn't eat.
You wouldn't have it off at a dinner table, you wouldn't wear it.
You don't wear it.
You take it off in honor of your meal and to show respect to the people that are feeding you that day.
Yeah.
Why are cowboy movies making a comeback right now?
I think there's something about the cowboy that is so American.
Yeah, we're the only country.
This is where cowboy came from.
The term cowboy originated in Texas during the Civil War.
The older men would leave to go off to fight the war.
So even if you were a girl of the family, if it was your responsibility to ride the sections and keep track of your cattle, you were called the cowboy of the family, and that was an honor.
When you went to town, I'm the cowboy of the family.
So yeah, it's original right here in America.
There's no, this is where it originated.
Now, we had the Vaqueros from Mexico, and a lot of our culture is derived from them.
What is the culture?
What is the culture of a cowboy?
Rodeos originated.
They were having rodeos in Southern California before.
So it is rodeo.
Before we were even in the United States.
Really?
Yes.
The cowboy culture is.
Wait, wait, wait.
Let me get this right because Rodeo Drive, we always joke about we're going to the rodeo.
Is that the Spanish version of rodeo?
Yes.
Rodeo means roundup.
Roundup.
Yeah.
And they would have roundups, and then they would have roping and buck and horse riding contests and stuff.
Chief Rojas, I've read all his books, and he explains it in there.
They were bronch riders, them guys.
You know, I just love, I think his name is Bill Pickett.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love his stories.
Yeah.
He's fantastic.
He's fantastic.
So you were going into the cowboy culture.
What is it?
How do I explain that real?
I was 16 years old.
I was on the JV basketball team, and we didn't get to practice until after varsity got to practice.
So I'd have time to go home after school and feed the cows and then go back to basketball practice.
My granddad had broke his hip, and he had just come, he said, hey, kid, I think I can drive the truck for you.
Usually what I'd do is I'd put it in compound and put a two by four against the gas pedal and then get in the back and throw the hay out.
And it's quite a ride because you got all them frozen cow turds out there, that trucks bouncing over.
So yeah, I was grateful to have him come out and drive the truck for me.
And when we got done, he says, I have time to look at my cows, kid.
I said, yes, sir.
We're driving around through the cows and he says, you know, we're not going to make, I'm not even going to break even this year, maybe.
I think the cows were selling for 35 cents a pound then, or calves.
And he said, if I could get 39 cents a pound, I could break even.
He says, my kid's out here busting his butt.
And, you know, I'm just, this is ridiculous.
I said, well, why are we doing it, Grandad?
He looks at me with, you know, son, we're helping feed America.
We're helping feed our country.
And that's kind of the cowboy culture right there.
There's a bigger thing than what we're doing out here today.
You know, we're helping feed our country.
We're maintaining the grass and rotating our pastures to keep everything right.
It drives me nuts that these greenies come in and try to lecture people who are farmers and who are ranchers.
They care more about the land than anybody in any city that has some PhD on how to take care.
I mean, they care about the land.
They take care of the land.
The worst, the worst neighbor I have is the Bureau of Land Management.
They're horrible.
Horrible.
I've dealt with them.
I was on a ranch in southern Arizona.
I left Hollywood and I went back to cowboy and I went and the BLM guy come over.
He was going to fine me for overgrazing this one pasture.
And I said, well, I tell you what, Pard, you come back after the monsoons.
And if that pasture doesn't come back better than it ever has been, you can go ahead and find me.
And I said, you go tell my boss what I said and everything.
Well, what I'd done was I'd put them cows in there and they'd ate off all the weeds in the spring.
And so then when the monsoons did come, the weeds were all gone.
It looked like a golf course out there.
And I said, yeah, that leaving 50, 60%, that leaves the weeds.
And I say, we need to graze it down to 20, 25%, like I did.
And then it comes back, the grass comes back.
And I'd learned that from working at the Empire Ranch, MacDonaldson.
He's a great man for the land and taking rot.
He's one I learned rotations from.
And yeah, it's just nuts that they don't think we're taking the best care of the land.
Another thing, Glenn, that really kids is the cow farts and the cow manure.
We used to have 60 million buffalo and no telling how many elk running across the plains.
And they were farting animals.
Bigger farting animals.
Yeah.
And now people are, yeah, it's, well.
Can you explain this?
I mean, I don't know if you would have any.
I can give you a theory.
I don't know if I can explain it.
I live down the street, probably like 20 miles away, down the street from a guy who has a huge buffalo ranch.
He has about 5,000 buffalo.
The most amazing thing you can see is them coming over the hill.
And you can see how much of them are beefalo as they look more and more like cows and how much really are bison, you know, or close to bison.
There are no pure bison except in Yellowstone.
And it's my understanding that they sometimes thin the herd and they just kill them instead of giving them to ranches so we can have purebred buffalo.
The only pure buffalo or bison is owned by the government.
Did you know that?
No, I didn't know that.
Oh my gosh.
I didn't know that.
He told me that and I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
And he's like, we beg.
We beg for the bison.
They slaughter them and bury them.
All these people going hungry is about one of the best meats you can eat.
Oh, it's so good.
So good for you.
And good for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And people don't know this.
Corriente and longhorn are the most healthiest beef you can eat.
Low in cholesterol and yeah, you know, the longhorn.
Yeah.
That's where it all come from was the longhorn.
And then buffalo, it's, yeah, I just, there's so much waste in this country.
Like, it's right there.
My cousin, Oklahoma, he's got 80 acres of pigs are taking over, hogs.
And I said, well, wild?
Yeah.
Boars.
Yeah.
Well, they've intermixed.
Yeah, yeah.
And I said, well, we'll go down there and have us hog kill it.
Yeah, whenever, whenever you're ready.
I said, yeah, we'll wait till after the freeze where we can donate the meat.
You know, and I see all these roadkill.
There's a lot of good, like especially around Rio Dosa, New Mexico, there's elk and deer all the time on the side of the road.
We have deer kills all the time.
And when I first moved up into the mountains with real people, not city people, you know, somebody hits a deer, boom, they put it back in the back of their truck and, you know, eat it, not just push it off to the side.
Bleed it out.
Yeah.
I was we had two cows hit on the county road.
Montana's open range, like New Mexico and Arizona.
Also, meaning if you don't want cows on your property, that you got to put a fence up and fence them out.
Right.
And so granddad, we got two dead cows.
He got the driver and they had to pay and everything.
But he called the Two Teeth, Crow family in the Helena Valley.
They came up there, and the only thing left of them two cows was the gut pile, the manure pile, and bloodstains.
And we later on had some killed on the railroad.
And of course, it's up to the railroad to keep their fences up.
So they had to pay granddad for them cows.
But again, he called the Two Teeth, and they come up there.
And, you know, them cows had been dead for, oh, probably 12 hours.
They didn't care.
They come bled them and they took everything.
Wow.
And so that's the way I was raised.
And I was raised one of the reasons I think I'm so healthy in my older age.
I got a good lady that is on top of it.
But I was raised on a garden.
About the only canned things we ate were McNally's chili and canned peaches.
Everything else was out of the garden.
All our meat was either wild or off the ranch.
And I think we have really screwed our food up.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
And it's like 30% of our beef now comes out of Brazil.
I know.
We don't know what has been done to it.
You know, what did they inject in it before it got butchered?
How are they butchering it?
We have no clue.
I know.
I don't know why we can't get where it's signed and say this is the USA raised.
This is USA.
Well, they have the little flag that says product of USA.
That doesn't.
That's not it.
That means it was butchered or packaged here.
In the USA.
Yes.
It doesn't mean carbon.
It's USA beef.
No.
And why are we having to go to Brazil to buy beef?
I mean, our ranchers, I think it's, the biggest mafia I've ever seen are the meat packing plants.
The, what, three or four companies?
Yep.
They're absolutely, they're mobsters.
They're mobsters.
And they rip our farmers off like crazy.
Well, and at the same time, they're the ones making the fake meat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's making people sick, giving people issues.
But you want to talk about mobsters.
How about what I can't remember the company's name that the oil companies and car companies came all together and made this company that went around and bought all the trolleys in LA?
SGM.
It was GM and Goodyear.
Yeah, but what was the name?
They formed a company.
Oh, I don't know.
It was a different company.
And later on, years later, this is like 57.
Yeah.
They do away with all the trolley systems.
And now they got big stink or buses that nobody wants to ride on because they're crowded.
So they go out and buy cars.
That's what they wanted.
They wanted them to buy cars.
So they'd be buying cars and gas.
And tires.
And tires.
Yeah.
We had the best city transportation ever.
All the streetcars all over America.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, they weren't selling cars.
They weren't selling tires.
They weren't selling gas.
So those companies went together and bought them out.
Now, that's kind of mobstery.
Oh, yeah, no, it is.
So we have, I mean, we started with the cowboy culture.
The Lost Art of the Handshake00:09:19
And I think, and I'd love your point of view on this.
I think America has so lost its way on your word is your bond, your handshake.
You know?
Cowboy, your handshake is a contract.
Just tell the truth.
Don't bullcrap me.
Just tell me, just tell me the truth.
Working together, when we bought our farm in Idaho, we brought the kids out.
And I was living in New York at the time.
And I realized I hadn't seen anything but man-made stuff.
I couldn't, you're in New York City.
You're not seeing the stars.
No.
Can't see them.
And if you don't see the stars, you don't sit there and go, man, are we small?
You know what I mean?
And so we bought a farm so we can move out and have the kids, you know, grow up.
And I grew up on my grandma and grandpa's farm in the summertime.
And where was that?
It was in Puyallup, Washington.
Oh, a nice place.
Yeah.
Or it used to be.
Yeah, it used to be.
to be.
And at the time, I only just wanted to get away.
I was a big city kid.
I just want to live in the big city.
Now, I give my right arm to get away from even this city and live full-time out in the middle of nowhere because common sense comes back and also caring about your neighbor.
And not just because you have to, because if you're farmers, you could be the best farmer, but you're going to have a bad year and they'll have a good year and they're going to help you.
And you better help them because at some point it's going to be you that needs help.
And then the fact that you can be the best, but God is required.
When we moved away and we moved into the cities, all of that was lost.
And I think that's what is plaguing us.
And I think that's why cowboys are making a comeback because it represents America.
America.
True America.
Marx and Hitler both, they knew that if they control the children, they control the future.
And that people that had no faith are easier to bend.
And my grandmother taught me, my cousins were Catholic, and we go to the Catholic church with them and midnight mass and stuff at Christmas.
And they're all getting baptized.
And I said, Grandma, should I get baptized?
She goes, no, it's up to you.
And I said, well, what religion?
She goes, I'm not of any denomination.
I said, well, how come, grandma?
She says there's too much blood been spilt between these denominations.
And I don't feel that that's a godly way.
But I do know there is a supreme power, that there is something else going on in this world, and that you need to acknowledge that.
And I think it's easier for cowboys and ranchers and farmers that see it every day.
Every day.
You know, you see the miracle of birth and death and the miracle of things growing and just how it all works.
You realize that and the beauty of a sunset or sunrise and the stars.
And honestly, the beauty of people.
I love the people of my small town.
And I'm surrounded down here by a lot of great neighbors, but there's a different quality.
I was just out in Asheville, South Carolina yesterday, North Carolina, yesterday.
And I would live with those Appalachian people in a heartbeat.
It's just, it's just different.
It's just different.
It's great.
You know, there's two things I'm really proud of.
One is being called a legend at rodeos.
Because you grew up in rodeys, right?
Your mom was a barrel raiser?
Yeah.
My granddad rodeoed back when they rode horses to the rodeos and stuff.
Wow.
And the other one is everywhere I've lived, I've been called a good neighbor.
And that comes from my childhood.
We lived on a hillside, mountainside in Montana.
There was three families that lived there year-round.
There was us, Palmer's, my grandpa and grandma, the Wing family, and Norman Bruce.
Then there was a couple other places where people would come and spend the summers.
But we depended on each other.
We took care of each other.
The Wings plowed our roads and took care of our roads in the winter.
Granddad and I go castrate their colts in the spring.
We'd help them move cattle out on the forest service in the spring and the summer and go gather them and bring them back in the falls.
We all just worked together.
It was a community.
There was 13 kids in eight grades when I started grade school there at Montana City.
My granddad was the self-acclaimed mayor of Montana City.
And we all just got along.
The place I lived at before where I'm at now, my neighbors across the road, their politics and mine, for example, I opened the barn door and there's a rattlesnake coiled up ready.
And my neighbor was just across the fence.
And I says, hey, you want to relocate this snake?
You better get over here before I get to my gun.
So boom, he come over and had a little deal.
He snared that snake, put him in a bucket, took him off back up on the mountain.
Well, I shoot the rattlesnakes.
Yeah.
So that's just kind of showing their politics politically go down that line.
So we came to an issue where we couldn't get the county to work on our road.
So this guy's a computer tech.
I mean, he can do some things with computer.
And then my other neighbor, he has heavy equipment.
And so I went into the county commissioner and I told them, we're going to fix our road.
You guys won't fix it.
And we've, my part, my neighbor on the computer has found where it is a county road.
It should be maintained by the county.
But you guys don't want to do it.
So I'm going to buy the diesel from a one neighbor that has the equipment.
This other neighbor's got all the permits and everything lined up on the computer to do this.
And we're just going to fix our own road.
Oh, we're waiting for federal funding.
When did this start happening?
Everybody waiting for federal funding.
I know.
This is America.
We do on our own.
I know.
And that's what I told them.
I says, we'll take care of this.
That money should go to the schools or something else.
We'll take care of this ourselves.
Well, boom, then they all came out and they wanted to see what, you know, they got involved with it.
And it bothers me so much.
Those neighbors from Hell's Kitchen, she told me, she said, Fore, thank you for being such a good neighbor.
And I was like, you know, I hope I'm as good a neighbor to you as y'all are to me because they were great.
But our politics were totally the opposite.
Doesn't matter.
But it kind of helped.
You know, he kind of seen my side and he opened my mind up to some other things.
And then I was flying to Chicago for a WGN interview and doing a Shriners charity.
And on the way up there to Dallas, I stopped in Dallas to go to Larry Mayhem's memorial.
And I got on the plane.
He was in his 80s.
And I sat down.
He got a grin on his face.
He said, this might be an interesting ride.
He says, what's that?
He says, because I think our politics are probably different.
And I said, well, let's talk about that.
And we had a two-hour, whatever it is from Dallas to Chicago.
Just a good visit.
We sat there and visited him.
He opened my mind to some things and I opened his mind to some things.
And it was just a good visit.
And I got off the plane.
I was helping some people get their stuff.
And he got off before I did.
And he waited for me in the tunnel.
And he shook my hand.
He says, this is what this country needs more of.
And I said, yes, sir.
Politics on the Plane00:03:25
Absolutely.
Just sit down.
I said, but what I think, Glenn, is that it's a computers.
Everybody can go, they don't have to compromise in a conversation with you or I.
They can go home to their computer and get with their little group.
Oh, what a jerk that guy was.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
They aren't going to listen or explain themselves because they got their own little group they can go back to.
People they've never seen probably, you know, and might be controlled by some other group that's wanting to create division in our country.
It is Raising kids is so scary right now.
Oh man, especially public schools.
Oh, I mean, I just, both of my kids, just the last two are out of school now.
One's 18, one's 20.
I was hair raising.
It was absolutely hair raising because they're dealing with stuff and you're like, I don't know.
This didn't exist.
None of this stuff existed.
And you feel like, you know, you feel like you're a thousand years old because you're saying the things that you swore you wouldn't say when your grandparents would talk to you, be like, okay, grandpa.
You know, it's moved so far in a dangerous direction.
You know, and my grandpa and grandma didn't trust the government.
Mine didn't either.
1973, Merle Haggard released, you're walking on the fight inside of me.
So we've been in this battle before.
I've got great-grandfathers that tore up the papers on their wives because they didn't want any government assistance because they're Indians and they did not want any government assistance.
One of them was from Ireland on my grandmother's side.
He came over and they conscripted him into the Union Army before he ever got a foot on America.
Wow.
Made him mad.
So he became a spy for the Confederacy.
And after the war, he moved to Missouri and married a Cherokee lady.
And he's like, we don't need any of their help.
Tore up the papers.
That's what I found at the hurricane in North Carolina.
I mean, they're wondering why they don't matter to the federal government.
But I have two people telling me one of them set up all these retired soldiers, special forces guy that live right in the community or right around.
They set up a clinic because nobody was there.
So they just did it themselves.
And yesterday or day before, FEMA comes in and they said, you know, you don't have a license to, and they said, we've been here for seven days.
Move.
Move on.
We're going to continue to do what we know is right.
And that's America.
That's America.
That's America.
Yeah.
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So talk to me a little bit about Yellowstone because I'm a big fan.
Well, thank you.
Big fan you guys are just me too.
Yeah Yeah.
And I'm so bummed that it's coming apart.
And, you know, I don't, I don't, you know, I hear both things about Kevin Costner.
You know, it's not his fault.
It is his fault.
I don't know.
I don't either.
Yeah.
Let's stay out of that game.
Yeah, good for you.
but how bummed are you that well it's a i'm not really bummed um Really?
Kind of.
Yes, it was a great ride.
I really liked the character I was getting to play.
I liked Taylor's writing.
That guy's a genius.
Well, yeah, he is a genius.
And the way he pulls it off and puts everything together.
But it got to be the last season, you know, you don't know if you're going to work.
You know, it just, the turmoil that started there, and it started about the third season when it was a hit, when everybody realized, see, nobody thought in Hollywood, especially, oh, this ain't going to go.
In fact, HBO didn't pick it up.
When I first got involved, it was Robert Redford and HBO were going to.
So they didn't think then after the second year and they got this cult following going.
Now they're all like, whoa.
And then this money in the hands thing coming in.
And this, yeah, this thing started.
And it got.
Did it break the cast up at all?
Not the cast.
No.
Well, it was one of the cool things about it is how we all came together.
Actually, probably made our acting and a lot of things better because of how we did come together and gel together as a family.
And with that chaos, I mean, if it was just Yellowstone and, hey, we're going to film May through August, boom, here, it'd be great.
But this never knowing and okay, we're going to go now.
And then all of a sudden.
And that's because of the movies that Costner or whoever was doing right.
That's what breaking it up.
Yeah, well, we don't know.
I don't know.
That's not my wheelhouse.
It's just, I know that everybody got put on hold.
You know, they send you money and compensate you, but still, you got to live.
It was bad for the audience, too.
You're like, this is the second half, right, of the seat, what is it, season five?
Season five.
Yeah.
So second half.
I don't even remember what happened.
In the first half, I have to go back and watch it.
It just takes so long in between.
It's the beginning of the end.
Yeah, but the Taylor's writing that whatever happened there is water under the bridge now, and I'm better off and broader and bigger man than I was when we started.
And it's just great.
And like I said, all that's out of my don't really care, but it's not Yellowstone.
It wasn't the script and all of that is beautiful.
I would love to go on for 10 years.
But all that other stuff that came out of this, Taylor and Kevin, I don't know if that's where it all started, if it started somewhere else, all this friction over the money and the power.
It's so sad.
Because it was really good.
I mean, in a way, I kind of feel bad for liking the family.
You know what I mean?
Because it's almost like a cowboy version of the Sopranos.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
With the second year up there, oh, this is a Dallas Sopranos Cross.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
What's cool about when people tell me that is cool is because Patrick Duffy, one of the stars of Dallas, is from right down the road, 30 miles from my house in Montana.
Really?
What's her name?
Kelly Riley?
Kelly Riley.
Great lady.
My gosh.
That is the best character.
I think the best, I don't know, villain character I've ever seen.
She plays it so well.
And I had no idea she was from Great Britain.
And I read a story, and I don't know if this is true or not, but she said she didn't, she used an American accent the entire time for like the first week because she didn't want people to say she's British.
She's not going to be able to pull this roll off.
Is that true?
Yeah.
It's amazing.
She had an acting or speech coach or whatever.
And this last season was the first time I really ever heard her have trouble with it.
But yeah, I was just, I didn't know either the first couple weeks.
And it's an oxymoron, I guess you'd call it.
She is just a sweetheart in real life.
How she can play TV and tell me, oh, this is the best of the family.
And I'm like, ooh.
And they go, what?
I go, well, you know.
So that's kind of, our culture is so weird right now.
My wife has a t-shirt that, you know, I'm having a best day or something.
And the culture, the thing I think that is the secret on that is even her, she is fighting against the machine.
You know what I mean?
Maybe not fairly at times, but the whole thing is fighting against the machine.
Yeah.
And that's.
That's cool.
That's cool.
That's cool, especially today.
So you're from Montana.
I know a lot of people from Montana that are kind of pissed at Yellowstone.
Yeah.
This is what I've got to say to them.
And I know what you're talking about because you go in some of the bars.
We had trouble.
We'd be out filming on the road.
People be flipping us off.
And then the other ones, we love you.
Reminded me of being in Mexico back in the early 80s.
I was down there.
But this is what I got to say to you, Montanans.
I came up there in 2017.
I'm from Montana.
I love Montana.
I worked in the Bitterroot Valley Cowboy when I was 19 years old.
Montana was root when we got there in 2017.
It wasn't because of Yellowstone that you guys are selling property to these out-of-staters and stuff.
Yeah.
Don't blame Yellowstone because it was already messed up when we got there in 2017.
And the housing problem is national.
It's not just because of Yellowstone in the Bitterroot Valley.
This is happening all over the country right now.
It's funny because that is the story of Yellowstone.
Keep these people out.
We want to preserve what we've always had.
And these people are coming in.
I remember I because I considered moving to Montana, which I wouldn't now because now the New Yorkers are there and the big money people are there.
And I'm like, you come in with your big money and you think you're safe.
You know, everybody around you knows things go to hell.
You don't know how to survive.
You know what I mean?
But.
You know, when I first got in the movie business, and I can't remember, but the girl I was with, she says, how do you get along with all these multi-millionaires and everybody, all these big producers and studio execs and everything?
You walk right in among them and just boom.
I can survive with a knife.
She goes, what has that got to do with it?
I says, when the world goes to hell, I'll be the one they'll be looking for.
Exactly right.
My granddaddy taught me how to survive with a knife.
And I said, so I feel just doesn't matter how much money you got, I can survive.
And that's worth a lot of money.
And so.
You're worth more than money.
When money doesn't matter, who cares?
And I'm rich in family and friends.
I've always felt that way.
And I ride good horses and I'm good dogs.
I'm a rich man no matter how much money I got in the bank.
Thank God, you know, Taylor Sheridan, I've got some money in the bank.
But I look at it as I look at my life that I was rich.
I'm rich.
It doesn't matter how much money is in the bank because of my friends and my family and stuff.
My mom gave me her old one-horse trailer, 1957 model, bought, and paid 500 bucks for it.
Me and my little brother stared at the front of that trailer for probably a million miles going down the road in the back of the station wagon.
That trailer's been to every rodeo west of the Mississippi and in Canada and the United States.
But I pulled into a friend's house with it and needing to do some work on it and stuff.
And Me and this guy rodeo together and sold Kirby vacuum cleaners together.
And I hadn't really been around him for years.
I pulled in there with that trailer.
I didn't have to go to the parts store.
I didn't have to go to the mechanic.
Yeah, nothing.
We fixed that trailer right up.
I pulled it home back to New Mexico.
And that's the kind of friends I have.
But I think that's the kind of friends that you make when you're in those communities.
Yeah.
You know, everybody is.
I was having a big family reunion, and we had just finished building the ranch, and we were way behind.
And all these trucks with furniture and everything coming in.
And like, I get off the air and I come upstairs and here are all my neighbors.
And they're putting sheets on the beds.
And I felt so guilty.
I'm like, you shouldn't do this for me.
I'm not a good neighbor yet, please.
But it was amazing.
And I kept saying, please stop, please.
We can do.
No, we're your neighbors.
You got relatives coming tomorrow and you're never going to be.
I mean, it was like crazy great.
Just crazy.
I've seen it when my dad died, I was seven.
When my grandmother died when I was 11, and people came, fed our livestock for us, made meals for us.
It was just, I'm getting choked up remembering how the community just came to us.
We didn't make any phone calls.
They just showed up.
And my grandmother's funeral, there wasn't even room in the parking lot for people.
I mean, they came from out of the woodwork for my grandma.
But yeah, that's what I was raised with.
And that's probably why I'm such an American now is because I've seen America at work.
I've seen Americans and what they do and what they hold special to their heart.
So how can we get, because there are, in ways, two Americas.
And I think what I think it's honestly not being around small towns and farmers and everything else.
I think the city, and I know this for myself, I grew up in a small town.
You know, there's garbage on the street.
You pick it up, you put it in the trash can.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And I was in New York and I had been there for about three years and the taxes were out of control.
And I remember walking up to my building and there were newspapers and garbage blowing in the street.
And I turned to my friend and I said, how much money do I have to pay for this to be a clean street?
And I stopped and I went, I've got to get out of the city.
Because I was just, I was mad at the city for not doing something because that's the way you're trained in those big cities.
You're trained.
Border Smugglers and Guns00:15:58
You don't do that.
And I didn't want to live like that.
You know, I didn't want to become that person.
How do we regain this?
Well, I'm not sure.
I'm trying to do it by example.
That's one of the reasons it's low down on the list of reasons, but is to maybe get other people, wake other people up to that.
And one of the things I tell people is, you know, I've always, every day, I try to make the world a better place.
And sometimes all it is is being able to pick up some trash along the road or opening a door for somebody or helping somebody with something.
But I've always tried to do something.
And that's one of the things like where I live now, wherever I've lived, I've always cleaned up the road.
In front of my camp, when I was cowboying, it was clean.
Both my houses now, the barrel pits are clean.
There's no trash.
But if there's trash, because I live in a 400-person town, if there's trash someplace on the side of the road, I've stopped my truck, picked it all up and put it in the back of the truck and just, you know, take it to the dump or whatever.
And you don't think of that.
You don't think twice about that in a small town.
You don't even think about that in a place like Dallas.
When I was a kid, we seen a truck and trailer truck pulling out of one of our pasture leases where there's a creek and a nice area.
People like to come down there and picnic and camp and fish.
And granddad got the license place number.
And I said, what are we doing?
What are you doing that for?
Well, you so sure enough, we ride down there and they left their garbage.
So granddad says, yeah, I got their license number.
So we ride back to the house and he calls his highway patrolman buddy and gets the address of this truck.
We go back down and got some feed sacks, went back down, picked up all that garbage.
And we went to that guy's house and granddad spreads it out on his lawn.
He come out of the house pretty hot.
Grandda said, well, you just did this to my lawn, my place.
This is your garbage.
Granddad tried to lure him out in the street because he wasn't going to hit him on his own property.
Granddad wanted to.
And I think that man knew it.
And he knew that he had a whooping coming.
And we didn't have much trouble with garbage after that.
Somehow the words.
It gets around.
And you know, it's funny.
When I worked, I was down on that ranch right on the Mexican border.
I had taken about four days to fill up a storage tank for this one pastor.
And I go out, I don't have any pressure in my tank, so I ride the line and I go up there.
What they had done was illegal to come across and then knock that spigot off that 10,000-gallon water tank to fill up their jugs and then let it drain.
Oh my gosh.
I'm mad.
That's four days out of my life it takes to pump that full.
You know, I got to go check the pump.
Got to take gas back to the gym.
And so I rode home, I switched horses, and I got every gun I had that I could carry on a horse and I tracked them down.
Well, they're laid up during the heat of the day.
And I went, I'm too mad to speak Mexican USOBs.
I'm tired of this.
You guys leave my gates open.
You just drained a 10,000-gallon tank and this ain't the first time.
I said, you're at my barn every night.
When I'd turn the lights off at 10.30, the dogs would go off.
And I'd find toilet paper, clothes, where they changed clothes in my barn and stuff.
They'd come up and fill their water jugs.
So I was like, guys, I don't call anybody on you.
I let you do your thing.
Now, I want my gates closed and leave my waters alone.
You're causing me work.
We were well about 15 miles north of the border then.
So a couple days later, I jumped some tracks going down.
Man, they left my gate and the heifers and the cows are going to be mixed up.
No, they had tried to close.
They didn't get it closed right, but they tried.
Just in two days, that had got around all over the border that, hey, this is a Carol.
I mean, I give them food.
I give them water, whatever they need.
And when you're that close to the border, you have to get along because they can send somebody up there and snuff you and the person be back in Mexico before anybody even knows you're missing or gone.
And I've known of cases where that's happened.
And so the Border Patrol, I tried to talk to him before when I first moved there.
I was like, hey, why don't you guys drive through my yard when you coming and going to work?
Just drive.
No, they wouldn't have nothing.
They wouldn't help me.
I had a truck stolen.
I went to all the authorities and gave them the truck, told them I had people seen it being driven down across the border.
Nobody could find my truck.
I went to the feed store to my buddy, Keiros, and I said, hey, call one of your buddies down there.
And there's a little town called San Carlos.
And it's, we found my truck.
Well, we can't carry guns or nothing into Mexico.
Everybody in San Carlos around my truck had a gun or a knife and stuff on them.
I didn't even dare open my mouth.
I'm like, you know, what am I going to do?
They're still driving my truck in Mexico.
Yeah.
How much, are you still that close to the border?
No, I live 60 miles south of Albuquerque now.
I packed a gun.
I slept with a gun.
And that weighs on a man.
And, you know, if all the Americans knew what went on down there at the border, I think they're starting to see it, though, in their own communities all across this country.
But I seen the cartel.
Whenever you found luggage, it was always a woman's luggage because a cartel would steal them and take them.
The women, most women in them groups would be wearing ball caps and pants and trying to look as much like a man as they could.
Because they're spotters, they're scouts watching everything that goes on down there on that border.
I had a border patrol guy, I'm following tracks, and they're on their four-wheelers and stuff.
Automatic weapons, you know, they're decked out.
I got my six-shooter and my rifle, and I'm following cows.
Don't go down there.
Don't go down there.
I'm like, I got to go after these cows.
And they're like, no, no, don't.
And we're like two miles from the border.
Don't go down there.
They've got guns.
Say, hey, you guys, aren't you the border patrol?
Aren't you supposed to be patrolling that?
They're like, yeah, well, we can't get in a confrontation with them.
Like, well, I'm going after my cows.
And sure enough, there was guys in camouflage with automatic weapons and stuff.
And I just, hey, don't die vacas, amigos.
And I rode on through, picked up my cows.
What does that mean?
I don't speak Spanish.
What did you just say?
Where are my cows, amigo friend?
I had one case where I was following tracks and they go through the under the fence.
And I'm like, how does this work?
And I reach and grab the steel post.
They had cut the steel posts off at the ground level and it was in a gully or a gulch like that.
And sure enough, laying over there a six-foot stick, you prop that stick underneath them where them posts were cut.
My cows could walk right through the fence.
So I'm going to go down and get my cows.
I don't even get to the gate.
Just a range gate like every ranch has into Mexico.
In fact, I'd been into Mexico more times through range gates like that than I have legally across the border.
Boom.
I don't get the gate open and they're on me.
They're not going to let me into Mexico.
The Federales.
Federales.
Wow.
So the next day, I went back with my dogs and I brought me a little herd of cows on the U.S. side and held them up and I propped the fence up and sent my dogs down there into Mexico because I could see my cows.
They sent them dogs down there and they went and brought them cows up to the other herd.
And them Federalis had their guns on my dogs.
They were liking it.
I hollered and let them know, hey, I'm getting my cows back.
And I got my cows back.
There was three cows with a tight bag, meaning full, they hadn't been nursed.
And them other calves, the grass, fat, milk, fat calf, I mean, they were eating them, you know.
And can't blame them, really.
But that's kind of things that go on down there on the Mexican border that people don't know about.
And them cartels would fight.
You'd hear them, gun battles.
And I asked the guy, what they fighting over?
They're stealing them women out of the groups.
Where you're at, it's the borderline of one cartel and another.
And they're fighting over that borderline.
I've had one friend, I've seen them having gun battles, like the rat pack, shooting at each other out of the back of trucks and stuff on the American side.
I come home one day, well, I'd moved from this camp, but I was still taking care of it for a guy.
I come riding up there, check on things, and there's a truck backed up to the wellhouse, unloading bundles of pot into my wellhouse.
Wow.
What do you do?
I mean, these guys are packing guns.
They're real deal.
What did you do?
I rode up and asked them what was going on and stuff, and they had the wrong address.
They had the wrong place.
But I got a wellhouse full of pot.
And this didn't all get figured out till later.
And, you know, I'm sitting there with my gun.
They're sitting there with their gun.
And it's hard to speak Mexican when the adrenaline's running.
Yeah, yeah.
And so we're having a tough time communicating.
But they got in their truck and left.
And now here I am.
So I went to town to a guy I knew that was involved with all this stuff.
And he got it taken care of for me.
And see, that's another thing people don't realize is how much is run down there by the cartels and the drug company.
This would have been in the 90s, like 93, 94.
I'm at a team roping in Benson.
And this guy comes riding up to me, old rancher, and he says, hey, will you rope with me?
And I said, sure, I'll rope with you.
I go, what's the deal?
He said, well, I just got out of prison and everybody's kind of hanging back from me.
And I said, oh, yeah, what's that for?
He says, well, they were smuggling pot out of my place.
And he says, you can't say nothing or I wouldn't have a place when I come back.
I said, well, how'd that work?
What they were doing was they're putting pot down in the bottom of the stock, the cattle trucks, and then putting plywood over the top of them and then loading the cattle in on top of the plywood.
Wow.
And, you know, so you got a double load.
And every once in a while, they have to turn somebody in.
One of the first ranches, I was dating a lady, a girl down there, Kelly Glenn, and they took me to a pastor.
And he says, now, when you're checking that south fence, there's going to be bundled piles of pot.
He says, just ride on by them like they aren't even there, just another pile of rocks because there's somebody watching and making sure the right people pick that pile up.
Yeah, and that was in 87.
Now it's out of control.
Now they're just coming across with whatever they want.
And this is something that the public don't understand.
And I got this from a special ops guy.
There's more fentanyl coming across the border than the drug users can use.
I says, well, that's, you know what?
That's one of my theories is that they're just going to poison the water supply.
He says, yeah, five-gallon bucket of fentanyl 10,000 gallons of water will kill everybody that touches that water to their lips.
I've got a reverse osmosis.
Thank you, Patricia, water filter.
I've got my own wells, both properties, all my properties have their own wells, so I'm not having to worry about the community water.
I don't think people understand what's here.
I mean, China is in Mexico making the drugs for the cartels to come into here.
And I mean, and we don't know who has that.
We have no idea.
The last two bunches of illegals I jumped on that ranch, the last bunch were just as white as you and I are.
And I'm a half-breed.
And the other group before them, they were dressed as Mexicans, but they were not Mexican.
They were dark complexed, but, you know, I know.
Americans?
They're Middle Easterners.
Middle Eastern.
Some had the dot and everything, but they had ball caps and the Mexican clothes on.
Now, why are they coming?
Why couldn't they come in legally?
What are they doing that they come in legally?
And then I've heard about just yesterday where Muslims are moving in and taking over apartment complexes.
Well, we have Chinese taking over in Maine.
They're running the drugs out of Maine now.
And all of the money is going back to communist China.
I mean, it's not good.
Boeing's Broken Patriotism00:05:12
My manager, he says, well, is this company okay?
I says, where's the money go?
What do you mean?
I says, like Budweiser, the money don't stay here in America.
It goes to Holland.
You know, it's not an American company anymore.
The money goes to Holland.
That's what I mean.
I says, if a company is American-based and the money stays here in America, I will endorse it.
I was working on Young Riders, the TV show, whom United Artists got bought up by the Chinese.
And we stopped at the local, there's a little bar out there, Mescal by the set.
We'd stop and have a beer.
This one guy, he went of the grips.
He's just working.
Oh, my God.
I'm working for the Chinese.
He goes on and on and on about how he's working for foreign company now, you know.
We go out to his car.
What's he get in but a Dotson?
I grabbed a hold of him.
I says, you financed this.
Everybody that drives a foreign car is financing them foreign people to come over here and buy stuff from Americans.
And yeah, Americans might, it might cost a little more.
Like I had a sunglass company one endorse me.
I'm like, if they're made in America, well, that got kiboshed because it costs too much to make them in America.
And so, yeah, but the best things, the good things usually do cost more or harder to get.
It's gotten to the point to where we're suicidal on some of this stuff.
We don't make our own drugs here.
We don't make our own antibiotics here.
What are we thinking?
We've just thought, well, we can be a global economy.
And, you know, there's nothing wrong with having trade, et cetera.
But not when you don't have your own steel, not when you don't have, you know, look at what's happening to Boeing.
You put Boeing out of business.
How do we maintain, if, God forbid we ever had to go to war, we can't make airplanes?
You know what I mean?
It's insane.
It's insane.
I think the administration that's in now would just let us go.
I'm really scared of what's going to happen during the election, after the election, I should say.
There's a, you know, I get around the country a lot more than I used to.
And I'm meeting a lot of people and I talk to them about voting and they're like, I ain't voting anymore.
I'm just buying more bullets.
You got to vote.
Yeah, you got to vote.
I just did a deal at the college in Socorro on Monday to registering kids to vote.
And I tell them, you sign up any way you want.
You're here going to vote.
But eight out of ten of them were red.
So it's kind of starting to wake up.
People, you know, especially Texas.
I mean, I lived here in the 80s and they, you know, Texas secede.
And about half of them are serious.
And so there's a lot of talk all around the country about, you know, who's just break away or have a civil war.
Are you out of your mind?
You don't have any idea.
You don't want that.
No.
I mean, if it comes to that, it comes to, but don't root for that.
I buy more bullets.
Did you vote?
No.
Because you don't want a civil war.
No.
And excuse me.
That's what China and Russia want.
They want us divided, and then they're going to come in here and take over.
They're already here.
And, you know, these initiatives that they've gotten 27 of our states taking parents' consent away in the schools and this transgender stuff and stuff.
It's not about transgender.
It's about confusing our children, taking the patriotism out of them.
And then, like Marx said and Hitler said, we control the children, we control the future.
Well, here we are.
And I was missed the point there.
Well, when you're talking about the doing this to the children, you're not only confusing them.
Oh, you are, you're also destroying the ability for them to, if you give them the hormone drugs, they can't have children.
You've broken the family apart.
Yellowstone and the Family00:12:58
You've broken the difference between male and female.
You've just broken us.
And the only two countries that they aren't pushing these in schools and everything, of course, they're already pretty much brainwashed is China and Russia.
And yet they're one of the bigger financing sources for all of this nonsense.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Let me just go back to Yellowstone for a second.
Are we going to like the ending?
Do you know the ending?
That's a good question because I just posted the other day that, hey, don't ask me because I don't know.
They blacked their scripts out except for what we needed to know.
And I'm not real sure how anything happens.
In fact, there was one day they gave me my dialogue the day before.
The scene was blacked out.
And it was good.
Taylor Sheridan's classic lines, too.
I hope I did it.
I'm pretty sure it came out right.
So you are hitting a resurgence, right?
A late bloomer.
Is that what you're saying?
No, no, no.
I mean, you are.
Taylor put something together and everyone who's involved with it is now bigger than they had been.
Maybe Costner is an example.
I don't think so.
He's probably bigger too because of it.
You didn't start out as that person.
And I don't, it's rare to meet somebody from, and I don't mean it this way, because you're not from Hollywood.
I don't know of any people who are in the business that are willing to say the things that you do.
You might not be in the business, but you don't seem to care.
I mean, when COVID happened, I think it was the SAG Awards.
were like, I can't go because I'm not getting a vaccine and I don't want to make this political.
I don't, you know, but I'm not going.
Right.
That's, I am who I am before, after, and, you know, during.
I don't.
Is that age or is that the cowboy or what is that that gives you that?
It's probably the cowboy.
I had a pretty good life for an old crippled rodeo cowboy.
I was doing really great when Taylor discovered me.
And everything happens for a reason and for a purpose.
And I've been warned to be careful about what I say here today.
And about Yellowstone or just what you I'm not sure what.
I was just scared to almost clarify that.
Yeah.
I was like, well, I think I know what he means.
So it's been a beautiful ride.
And they can't really hurt me now.
I got my own land.
My granddad told me that all you needed was 10 acres to survive.
You can raise your enough meat in the garden to survive on 10 acres.
And I've been blessed with a lot more than that.
And I can't survive.
I feel that I would be letting him and a lot of other people down if I didn't stand up.
And I think that's one of the things that's wrong with this country right now is that people don't stand up.
We just keep getting along.
And I understand that.
Because that's what we do.
We get along.
We keep going and keep trucking on.
But there's a time and it's a line now.
Yes.
When you start messing with my children, you start messing with my animals.
All right.
You've crossed the line now.
And I just want to spread that feeling.
Hey, we're Americans.
And, you know, Glenn, our country was founded by people from all different religions, all different ethnicities.
And they came over here and made this beautiful country.
We make Yellowstone.
There's people from all levels, all shapes of life, and I love them all.
I love you all.
Thank you.
And we come together and we make this beautiful, beautiful TV show.
So I have faith that we can come together and fix this country.
Like I said earlier, it isn't the first time we've been here.
I mean, they were killing kids on campuses and stuff, you know.
So, yeah, I think that's when Merle Haggard's Walking on the Fight Inside of Me song came out was about then.
And so we can fix it.
The election process has me a little worried.
And when the Republicans call me and want money and stuff, that's what I tell them.
When you fix the election system, when we know that our vote counts, I mean, it's like my son's one of them.
He's like, I ain't voting anymore.
It doesn't matter.
I mean, we go to bed, the right side's winning.
We wake up and the wrong side.
This time, I mean, this might be it.
This just might be it.
I'm hoping.
No, but I mean, if it, one way or another, this might be the end of the America that we know if people don't get out and vote.
And, you know, I've never had a problem with elections.
Never had a problem with elections.
I can handle losing as long as it's a fair fight.
And you know that's the way the American people went.
The problem comes in when you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
You know, this is all rigged.
That's the problem.
Yes, sir.
And why we live in a country like we do.
And we can't secure, we could send billions of dollars all around the world in seconds and not a penny is missing.
But we can secure the vote.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
And I was at Riodosa for the All-American.
I led the Post Parade for the All-American.
And a post lady come up to me and she's like, you know, I'm so proud of you and how you stand up and what you're doing.
And she says, I wanted you to know.
I delivered 15 mail-in ballots to a house that I know only a couple live in.
I says, boom, there you go.
Another guy stepped up and says, hey, I deliver mail too.
And I have the same thing.
Only one person lived there.
And I've delivered 12 mail-in ballots to that house.
Lincoln County's good about it, but a lot of counties, when somebody dies, if you don't go in and take them off the rolls, they're still voting.
That's where we're having our problems.
Well, some states have done a pretty decent job on clearing some of that out.
Florida's trying.
Georgia's trying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look ahead.
Is America America in five years?
Can we turn this, and I'm not just talking about politically.
I mean that sense of adventure, that sense of, come on, guys, we can do this.
The sense of e pluribus unum.
We all might come from different places, but we believe in the Bill of Rights.
We believe I have a right, you have a right.
Now, let's move on.
We can argue about taxes all day long, but we have these things in common.
Where are we in five years?
I hope that we're back.
Excuse me, but I don't see it really.
They've the children are so brainwashed.
You know, I do, I maybe take that back.
A lot of the younger people I've been around lately have really kind of inspired me that maybe there is hope.
Yeah.
We lost two generations, but this next one is the rebellion of those last two.
Seems to be.
But rebellion might not be what we really need right now.
Well, I mean, but they're more spiritual.
If they do it in the right way, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm more of the I've never been.
I'm more tactful now than I've ever been in my life.
I always strike first and ask questions later.
You know, I fight before anything else.
But I can see the error of my ways in the past.
And, you know, that's one of the things right there is we have to look at our past and see where we messed up.
We can't erase it.
Democrats, Confederates were Democrats.
Who's taken on all the Confederate statues and stuff?
And why were those statues put up?
I don't think most people understand.
That was to try to heal the wounds, saying, we won, but you had heroes too.
You know what I mean?
That's why those things were built as a reach across saying, let's have reconciling here.
We are not going to try to erase your heroes, but we won, and this is who we are now.
Yeah.
And now we're destroying it.
We're destroying not only that reconciliation, the evidence of that reconciliation, but also we're erasing any reminder that that happened.
You know what I mean?
It's horrible.
Robert E. Lee was a great man.
He was a good man, a great leader.
And this is where we're at.
I'm in New Orleans.
I can't remember what it was for.
But I didn't want to go in restaurant and all the pictures and everything.
My handler, we got a driver and he's taking me down to get a sack of tacos.
So he goes in and gets me a sack of tacos and I'm sitting out there talking to the driver and he's telling me about him tearing these statues and stuff down and how it pissed him off.
And I'm like, well, man, why'd you let it happen?
You know, I told him about the water fountain in Hill Park in Helen, Montana, where I was raised.
We used to go drink beer under there and we'd meet.
Hey, I'll meet you at the fountain at Hill Park.
We didn't know the daughters of the Confederacy had donated that water fountain.
Well, it's gone now.
And he was like, I know, it's just BSN.
He's all with me until my handler comes back and gets in the car and he's, oh, I got to be politically correct.
I grabbed a hold of him.
I started, I said, that's why our country screwed up is because nobody will say anything.
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Everybody thinks you have to be politically correct.
I says, why aren't we politically correct by wanting to keep that?
I says, I feel I'm politically correct by wanting to honor a good man.
Yeah, maybe he's on the wrong side.
But he didn't do anything dishonorable.
No, Lee was a straight up good man.
Yeah, he was.
Yeah, I've studied him.
Yeah.
I'm interested to see where you go next.
You're doing a movie now, aren't you?
Oh, I got a Christmas movie, One Little Angel that I bought.
Me and Tomas Sanchez bought from Joel Kaufman, an award-winning writer.
And we're fixing to do that.
Out for next, not this coming movie.
Hopefully we can get it done this winter, so it'll be out in 2025.
We've got a theme song already written for it.
Me and Michaela Lane have written a song called One Little Angel.
What's the story?
It's about a girl that loses her mother that's a barrel racer, and she has this champion barrel horse.
Can I just say, I mean, this might be very offensive to some, but I don't really care.
There is nothing more beautiful than a woman that is barrel racing or the women that come out with the flags on the horses.
Gosh, that's beautiful.
Isn't it just beautiful?
It's hilarious.
Yeah, it is.
And she has a colt out of this award-winning horse that her mother had had before she died.
She died of cancer and it devastates her dad and they end up losing the farm and everything.
And one little angel.
She needs all I want.
You just need one little angel.
And by the end of the movie, she figures it out that there are angels all around us all the time.
And, you know, I have people tell me they don't believe in God.
It flabbergasts me, especially when your illegitimate half-breed come up like I did.
I mean, eight out of ten kids statistically are either locked up or dead that come up like I did.
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And if that ain't somebody working for me, and I feel like I have my grandpa and grandma with me a lot.
You've talked about them a lot.
Yeah.
Well, my grandmother changed my life.
I was, I think it was a second grade.
And I got in a fight at school.
Somebody's calling me Gut Eater or something.
And I came home.
And she says, you know, when you quit letting them bother you with that kind of stuff, they'll quit doing it.
You know, don't let it bother you.
And it's no fun for anybody.
And I said, yeah, you're right.
And she says, and, you know, your granddads can fight.
And I've seen you fighting with your cousins.
You can fight.
But I don't ever want you fighting unless you're in the right.
And if you always are in the right when you do fight, you'll win, no matter the odds, because the other guy will know he's wrong.
And she says, yeah, why are you telling me?
She says, you've got a good heart, Fore.
And you'll always have that good heart.
I says, how do you know that, Grandma?
She goes, because puppy dogs and babies love you.
You have a good heart.
And there's times when I was in juvenile delinquent days and stuff that that might have saved me from going to the dark side.
I remembered my grandma told me I had a good heart.
And so I've, like my son, you've got a good heart.
You can screw up and be what a jerk you want to be, but I know you have a good heart.
And he does.
He's probably maybe better than mine.
But yeah, that one line might have saved me from a lot of different, like I said, going to the dark side and being locked up or dead by now.
You're fascinating.
I'm so glad we had this conversation.
Well, thank you, Glenn.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
I'm honored to be here, man.
Thank you.
God bless you and thank you for what you're doing for America.