Stu Phillips challenges Glenn Beck's $370 million net worth and lifestyle claims, while former ATF agent John Dodson details government retaliation fears and the erosion of constitutional checks following Fast and Furious. The episode concludes with Ken Cuccinelli condemning a reported Biden administration plan to force migrants into Texas as unconstitutional and politically motivated, framing it within a broader "Erase America" agenda that threatens state sovereignty and legal asylum processes. [Automatically generated summary]
Yes, we could have jammed more information in if Stu wouldn't have taken the first 10 minutes to expose you for your lies?
Yeah, that is exactly what I did.
It's the most amazing story I've heard, you know, about me.
But we had so much to talk about today.
The border and the Biden administration actually talking about saying that if you come into Texas and you're illegal, you have to stay in Texas.
What are we, Vegas all of a sudden?
No, I don't think so.
Unconstitutional.
We have the governor going to be on with us next week to further that conversation.
But we also looked into the latest on Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.
It is the facts are so clear now.
I think this has kind of come apart at the wheels.
I just think that Joe Biden is going to resign because he's tired and sleepy or whatever.
But they can't let this be exposed in Congress because it's so very, very clear now on what is going on.
We also, tomorrow is a podcast with John Dodson.
He is the ATF guy that blew the whistle on Fast and Furious.
He's only been able to speak out about that because of all of his government, you know, things he had to sign.
He wrote to us, we've been trying to get him for years.
He wrote to us and said, I have 161 more days before I'm free to speak.
I'll call you.
And this is the first week he's been able to speak his first interview.
What he tells you in tomorrow's podcast, and he was on live with me today, what he tells you about what's going on in the government is truly terrifying.
He knows he was part of it.
FBI, ATF, and I think he was involved maybe with ICE as well.
All of this on today's podcast, the full interview with him is tomorrow.
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Hello, Stu.
Glenn, how are you in your moisture-wicking underpants?
Oh, my gosh.
I just had to say them.
You know, I just had to say that.
I don't want to give away the brand, but man, moisture-wicking underpants.
It makes a difference.
It freaking does.
They're great.
They are great.
Okay.
Now that we have that out of the way, let me start with the latest.
I mean, should we start here?
Should we start with the latest on Joe Biden and his incredible lie that is now just completely falling apart?
Or should we start with the really great story coming out of Atlanta on the Attorney General?
We have more information thanks to Andy No on that.
The ADL.
Or we could start about talking maybe with your net worth.
Pardon me?
Reading a little bit about your net worth today.
got some questions you have some you where were you reading about my net worth i I went on a very reputable website and learned all about everything that you have.
And I was a bit surprised.
Really?
Yeah.
Because, you know, you try to act like you're the everyman.
Yeah.
You know, that you can get.
Well, that's me.
I mean, I think you listening to me, I mean, you're like, no, he's half chick.
He goes to Broadway shows.
He's just like me.
Yeah.
Doesn't know anything about sports.
Doesn't know anything at all.
Although I did watch the Chiefs last night.
Have no idea who won because I went to bed at halftime.
Okay.
But it was good.
The Chiefs did not win.
They did not win.
They lost 21 to 20.
I hated that.
Yes.
Hated that.
There you go.
Okay.
Anyway, all the receivers that caught every pass in the Super Bowl dropped every pass last night.
None of them can make any plays at all in game one of the regular season, but in the Super Bowl, most amazing players of all time.
Let me tell you.
It's not any frustration from an Eagles fan or anything.
I have to tell you, that last drive before halftime, it's great.
And then when it gets down to about 29 seconds, 30 seconds every time, doesn't that seem like it takes forever?
Yeah, this is.
It's like you walk out 29 seconds, you come back eight minutes later and they're still playing.
You're like, what the hell?
And it's like 27 seconds now on the clock.
Yeah, lots of dramatic sports time is something guys usually complain about, which is why I came to you as being an everyman because you are the same complaints.
You're the one that changes all the baseball rules so the game lasts now 12 minutes.
Thank you for that.
I don't want to stay.
I don't like baseball.
So can you make the game shorter?
I love baseball.
I'm sure you do.
Riddled with ADD.
Every once in a while, you forget you're at a game.
Like nothing happens for so long.
And you're like, hey, wow, I'm at a game.
Look.
Now, I want you to know when you're listening to Glenn talk and he's talking, oh, well, Bidenomics isn't working.
Seems to be working for you, according to this website.
That outlines everything you own.
Really?
Yes.
Okay.
You have a net worth of $370 million.
Wow.
Wow.
You have an annual income of $50 million.
Holy $9 million in book royalties.
Every year?
Yes, every year.
Holy cow.
How about this?
You never explained this because I met your dad before he passed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great guy.
Yeah.
Didn't seem wealthy to me.
Seemed like a guy who had worked his whole life as a baker.
Right.
Yeah.
Apparently, you inherited $10 million from him.
I did.
Yeah.
What?
Never said a word.
Straight.
This little, I built this company sounds a little different after you hear that little nugget.
Wow.
America.
My dad left me $10 million.
$10.
Million dollars.
Baking was good for him.
And you know, when he was making those donuts, he's like, I'm going to leave my son $10 million.
Sold a lot of donuts.
My guess is looking at you, mostly to you.
Yeah.
That's my guess.
But again, I don't know how you'd come off the money.
Right.
It's a little bit confusing.
So this seems a little inaccurate.
Oh, I disagree with this.
It's on the internet.
Right.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Well, let me ask you.
We can fact-check it with some of the other stuff they record here.
All right.
For example, how many yachts do you own?
And I want you to be honest about it because, no, I'm looking at the number.
So you just.
How many yachts do I own?
I know what the number is.
Are you going to admit what the number is?
Well, I would say it's less than one.
Less than one.
Less than one.
Do you want to stick by that?
I do want to stick by that.
Incorrect.
You own five.
I own.
You own five yachts.
Is that one for each finger on one hand?
I tell you.
I mean, you're the one.
It's one for every workday of the week.
There you go.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, you also have 200 luxury watches.
Really?
Only the one private jet, which does seem a little odd considering how much about the other seven.
Well, I only need one plane to five to fly to one of my five yachts.
That's that's true.
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
Thank you.
Bitcoin, $8 million in Bitcoin.
$8 million.
Which is pretty impressive.
Now, let's talk a little bit about your home because I have been to your home.
Yes.
It's a very nice home.
Yeah.
However, I apparently haven't taken a full tour.
Okay.
Because you recently spent $1.9 million to build a custom car garage on the property.
Wow.
Yep.
Wow.
That just that sounds pretty nice.
It's weird because you can't see it.
You come to my house.
It's so well built.
It blends in.
It looks like a backyard.
You can't even see it.
Now, let me ask you this.
Is it maybe because I've been to your home in Texas?
Yes.
And I didn't go to your brand new $36 million 15-bedroom mansion in Florida.
Is that what the problem is?
Did I go to the wrong?
Found out about my home.
Well, as a matter of fact.
Hang on.
So wait, wait.
So I have a, how much did I pay for this?
$36 million.
Abs $34.
Okay.
But way off.
Yeah, so I've got a mansion.
15 bedrooms in Florida.
15 bedrooms.
And you know how, like, normally it would say, okay.
You know what?
I have to tell you, this is a little unfair because 15 bedrooms, only 10 bedrooms, five of them are occupied by the yachts.
You keep them in a bedroom.
Keep it very large.
Very large bedrooms.
Very large.
This would make sense as I read more detail because you could say, okay, well, they're just making up numbers.
Right.
They're just, you know, AI generating text to say that.
No, it doesn't sound like no.
No.
And I will say it doesn't sound like that because they give very specific details.
For example, that property that you just bought for $36 million earlier belonged to Clint Eastwood.
Oh, we are like this.
Like this.
You've always said you've wanted to meet him.
Yeah, and I know he bought his house.
You know, he was surprised that he had a house in, but he's getting older now.
So it was worth a lot more.
But I, you know, I rip you.
You nailed him on that.
You nailed him on that.
And by the way, think about this next time you hear Glenn Beck talking about how much the price of eggs have gone up.
For example, let me just give you some details about your home.
You would not tell the people.
You wouldn't tell the people this.
Right.
Okay.
If I just didn't surprise you on the airlist, people would never get this information.
And you don't know this because you've never seen this.
I've never seen it, but I'm reading it.
And you're one of my best friends.
I'm reading the reporting on this.
Right.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
So I bought Clint Eastwood's home in the middle.
There are some amenities in this mansion.
Amenities.
I want to go over some of these.
Yes.
Number one, a dance floor.
Well, why would you not tell me?
You know me in dancing.
Okay.
I am a dancer.
Yeah.
Can you go into more depth on that other than just saying the word again?
What?
Could you go into more detail?
You just said the word.
You repeated the word dance.
Yeah, no.
Dance is my life.
Okay.
Okay.
Not a lot of people know this.
Right.
You know, like a lot of people don't know I'm a painter.
That's true.
They haven't mentioned that painting again.
I think that's a dancer than I am a painter.
And I know that's not saying a lot, but that's why I have a dance floor.
Let me ask you this.
How many outdoor pools do you need?
How many?
I would say two is enough.
I think five.
No, you only have three.
I only have three.
I have three outdoor pools.
But you do have an indoor plunge pool.
Right.
Which I guess is.
Well, that's when Tony Robbins comes over.
And yeah, he just likes to plunge in the pool.
Now, you also have a tennis court, a bowling alley, two guest houses.
This one's kind of true.
Doomsday bunker.
That one is actually the first thing on this that is actually kind of true.
Hey, look, and I don't want to call you out in the air.
Okay.
Okay.
You don't want to.
Even though I just did.
But I felt it was necessary, especially to like, let's say some of our, we have a big audience in Utah, for example.
Right.
Yeah.
They're going to be very disappointed in you.
Number one, you're a recovering alcoholic.
Number two, you're a Mormon.
Yet you have a wine cellar with 3,000 bottles of wine.
That is inappropriate.
Thank God they didn't talk about the hard liquor.
I have a wine cellar.
Yes.
That's weird.
What about why?
You live in the Dallas area.
Why do you have 15 houses in Houston?
Why?
I want to know.
Sometimes, like, never go to Houston.
Well, that's true.
You're not there that often.
But 15 homes seems like a lot.
But it could be part of your real estate empire, which is also have five yachts for each workday.
Okay.
I'm trying to build up to 31 houses plus one for leap years so I can live in a different house every day of the month.
Oh.
I think that's reasonable.
It does sound reasonable for you.
Right.
As the type of person you have.
They all have dance floors.
Not all of them have three pools.
Some of them have eight.
Some of them have eight.
What about your luxury cars?
20 of them.
I have 20 luxury cars?
Yes, including a Lamborghini.
Okay, now wait a minute.
I do own cars.
You have some nice cars.
I am a freak on cars, on old cars.
How many cars do I have?
You have 20, according to this report.
Okay.
We'll just see if they can get any of them right.
Okay, Mercedes Ben's Next Class?
No.
BMW 5 Series?
No.
Lamborghini Urus?
No.
Or is it Urus?
You look at me.
I can't fit in Lamborghini.
No, you're not Lamborghini friendly.
Right.
No.
Lexus LS.
No.
Cadillac DT6.
No.
Porsche Cayman.
No.
No.
Jaguar XJ.
No.
Tesla Model S.
No.
Lincoln Continental?
No.
How about a McLaren GT?
No.
No.
This is an accurate report.
It's pretty good.
And it gives you kind of net worth over the years, too, which I thought was interesting.
Yeah.
Net worth in 1990 was $910,000.
Really?
Yeah.
You knew me in, well, $99.
No, I didn't know you yet in 1995.
Yeah.
1995, you know, 97.
When did we meet?
97?
Yeah.
How much money did I have, Stu?
I mean, judging by your apartment, not $910,000.
I don't think I had $910.
But you nailed that up to $15 million by 2000, $180 million by 2010, 340 million as of last year, and then you just added an extra 30 million on for this year.
So congratulations.
Thank you very much.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
I would like to say that.
You know, that's what happens honestly when you live a clean life.
You know, when you live a clean life, you know, then you can have the five yachts.
Yeah.
Clean life is an interesting point because this report goes into some of your troubles with the law.
The $600 Million Clean Life00:03:40
I didn't know.
I want to bring this part up.
I wasn't going to bring this up because I think it is.
I think there was a problem here.
And I didn't, you know, I've never seen this reported before.
I didn't hear about this.
It's not about that girl I killed.
No, no, that was an older.
That was an old story.
That was another story.
That's right.
That they made up.
This is per Forbes, by the way.
You're one of the richest media executives in the United States.
Really?
However.
Per Forbes.
This is not from Forbes because there's no way Forbes would, I mean, none of that is right.
No, well, some would say.
Well, what do you mean some would say?
Some would say.
I'm just saying.
It's right here.
I'm saying it.
Millions of people are hearing it.
America has heard it.
The doomsday bunker is the closest thing to right.
In here, and I'm trying to find where it says, it did say there was a bit of an issue with you and a bar fight.
Do you want to further comment before I reveal?
A bar fight?
Yes.
You had a bar fight.
I'll just lay this out for the audience so they know.
You had a bar fight with a famous CNN anchor.
Really?
Yes.
Now, of course, people don't know about this because you settled out of court.
Huh.
How much did I settle for?
You settled out of court for $600K million.
$600K million.
$600K million according to this report.
$600,000 million?
$600,000 million.
Really?
If I'm doing the math, right, $600 billion?
$600,000.
It's a lot.
I had to sell my other seven yachts to pay for it, but $600,000 million.
$600,000 million.
It was worth it.
I mean, depending on who you punched, it might have been worth it.
It was just a famous anchor on CNN.
Oh, yeah.
Well, you wouldn't pay $600,000 million to punch Brian Stelter in the face.
No, he's not a CNN anchor, as you know.
He was let go.
Well, I'm drunk.
$600K million.
The court actually, it settled outside the court.
Beck paid $600K million in damages.
Wow.
I just wish you'd be honest with the audience.
Like, I know these things have happened in your life.
I mean, there's been multiple biographies that are actually less accurate about your life than this one.
There's no one.
There's nothing accurate in that at all.
That's what I'm commenting on, the books that were written about you.
They were also, there's not one thing that was accurate in those either.
But I will say, this is an interesting revelation.
And I hope the people now can see, you know, that you can't relate to them.
And at any point, you should get in a bar fight with Glenn because he's going to pay you a lot of money at a settlement.
$600 million coming in your way.
I wouldn't.
Honestly, I don't recommend it.
It's not worth the money.
I mean, look at me.
Okay.
Not only am I a dancer, a passionate dancer.
Yes.
But me in a bar fight?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
It's like a third-grade girlfriend.
I mean, you're in.
You are in with a girlfriend.
You are.
It's like someone throwing jello at you from across the room.
That's a penchant.
That's basically how it would feel if you were hit by Glenn.
I'd actually like to try that.
I'd like to.
I'm trying to be catching it to you.
Yeah.
See if you could throw some jello my way.
This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.
John Dodson, welcome to the program, sir.
How are you?
I'm fine, sir.
How are you?
I'm good.
I had a great conversation with you.
You scare me a little bit because of what you know and what you see happening.
But I wanted to ask you a couple of things.
Chris vs. ATF: License Split00:03:43
First of all, this story that is coming out of Matt Gates' office yesterday, he accused the ATF of retaliating against a Florida congressional whistleblower.
In a letter to the ATF director, Steve Diedelbach, Gates claimed that ATF agents once again aggressively targeted and harassed one of my constituent federal firearms licensees, Chris Smith of the Gulf Coast Gun.
Smith had testified in front of Congress alleging ATF mistreatment in June.
And it's for this reason he has been harassed by ATF agents again.
After Chris's testimony at my field hearing on the weaponization of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, ATF agents showed up at his business unprompted to inspect a manufacturing license that he had held for only six months.
Chris had not yet used the license.
The agents had nothing to inspect, and they had no choice but to leave.
The ATF had previously audited Chris's retail license within the last year.
It follows given the ATF is forbidden from auditing the same business twice one year, the only excuse the ATF had to harass Chris further was an audit of a new unused manufacturing license.
The local ATF agent admitted that he had no records that Chris was using the license, but nevertheless, he received a direct order to audit Chris's new license.
In addition to this violation of federal law, the ATF showed up uninvited to the home of Christian O'Brien, Chris's store manager, without making an appointment as he doesn't have business hours.
He wrote, Christian does not sell any firearms or perform any business on behalf of Gulf Coast Gun.
Christian was not at home at the time, so the agents called him and told him, don't worry, we know where you work.
What is this?
Well, it kind of, if you go back to what we talked about yesterday, sorry, it's this concept of total war, all right?
If you believe that guns are evil, that gun owners are evil, and thereby gun dealers are evil, then you go after them every way that you can.
You go after them through enforcement and you go after them through regulatory, which is where these license inspections come in.
Now, you have to understand ATF, our house is split, or I'm no longer with ATF.
I'm retired and currently unemployed, but ATF is split into two houses.
So you have enforcement, which are agents, and then what we call IOI, the industry operations investigators.
They're the ones that do audits of licenses and things like that.
Now, I can tell you that in the past two years, the amounts of audits and revocation hearings has grown exponentially.
Now, in this day and time, things that would normally just be a warning conference or a letter to a dealer about, you know, your books aren't being managed according to the law, according to the regulations.
So you need to get this in line.
They are moving, rather than they're foregoing all those initial steps and going straight to revocation hearings.
And this is directly, you know, I believe related to, you know, orders coming from, you know, on top, from political machines, from agenda, from the White House.
So it's part of this concept of enforce the law on everyone that we can, or everyone that we want to, that we deem enemy and then enforce regulations to you know, the fullest extent, create new regulations, create hardships, put people out of business.
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If we put the FFLS out of business, then no one's buying more guns.
This is insidious.
What should that agent have done?
Well again, they're.
You know they're under oath, just like we are.
And um, your oath is to this nation and to the people of it to protect and defend the constitution.
And, like it or not, the second amendment is part of our constitution.
You need to protect and defend it.
You can say no, you can stand up and say no, and i've, i've done it and I know others that have done it, and you know we've all paid prices for it, some far, far greater than I.
But it's what you need to do.
Some things are worth too much than to just, you know, go along to get along.
You paid a really heavy price.
You have been afraid of your country for the first time.
You've mourned for the loss of what you believe is an honest institution and no longer believe that anymore.
Make the case to people who are in your former situation that it's worth it.
Well, you know, and we touched on this briefly yesterday.
I was at a point where I had trouble separating my country from my government.
And now I'm able to do that again.
I love my country.
I love the things that my country was founded on, the things that it represents, the hope, the freedom, those things that now will get me on a terrorist watch list for saying, you know, when you talk about oaths and constitutions.
My government, however, has gone afoul.
It is no longer there to serve the American people.
It is no longer a government, you know, for the people, of the people, and by the people.
It's there strictly to exist itself, to protect its own power.
Power protects power.
And that's what it's involved in.
And when someone gets the reins of that government and they decide they believe that something is bad, be it guns, be it whatever, then they use the whole force of the government to go after that.
And that's the most terrifying thing because once, you know, when you know what your government is capable of doing and then you know what they're willing to do, it becomes a very strange world that you live in and a very terrifying one.
Say that again.
Say that again because you laid this out so eloquently in the podcast.
And I urge you to listen to this podcast.
You just said what your government is capable of doing and what your government is willing to do.
What does that mean?
Well, when you understand the capabilities that they have to intrude on in your life, to go up on your phones, in your computers, to surveil you, to dig up any dirt that you might have in the closet or manufacture stuff if you don't have any or what you have isn't significant enough.
When Agendas Shift00:04:58
The tricks and the surreptitious efforts that they can go through, that they're capable of, and then you find out what they're willing to use those for to protect themselves and protect the power and protect driving the agenda, it becomes a terrifying world.
And most people don't concern themselves with this.
They don't think about it because it doesn't happen to them.
And it's like, well, it hasn't affect me or what have you.
But then you never know when it does.
You never know when that agenda is going to change.
You don't know when that focus or that spotlight is going to be put on you.
And then everything that you've been doing is suddenly illegal or against regulations.
And then the full force of the federal government, that that you know and much that you don't is focused to attack you.
It's a terrifying concept.
So when you blew the world, we live in.
When you blew the whistle, Eric Holder was subpoenaed to go to Congress and testify about Fast and Furious.
And he knew all about it, right?
He would have had to answer questions that would have made him perjure himself or what would the consequences be if he would have admitted to what you guys were doing.
Right.
So he was subpoenaed to not only testify, but DOJ, and as the attorney general at the time, he's in charge of DOJ, was subpoenaed for any documents or several documents that related to the Fast and Furious investigation, most of which DOJ either refused to turn over or redacted so heavily.
There's a famous picture of Chairman Issa at the time, who was chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, holding up pages of documents that were just completely blacked out, totally redacted.
And so Eric Holder was found in contempt because he would not oblige that subpoena.
He wouldn't honor the subpoena issued by Congress.
And what I think of, you know, the majority of Americans don't understand is in our checks and balances system, you think, I mean, I know when I get a subpoena, I know what happens to me if I don't abide by it, by what a federal judge will do for me or what my agency will do.
You know, I'll get fired if I don't honor a subpoena.
And for him not to do that and to be found in contempt of Congress, I think it was the first time ever that a sitting attorney general had been found in contempt.
Well, all Congress can do is forward that contempt citation to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia for prosecution.
Every U.S. attorney in the United States is a presidential appointee.
So who was president at the time, obviously, and then who appointed him.
So no prosecution was ever sought.
But now, as you mentioned in your leadup coming into this, that has changed significantly.
We are now prosecuting these people that were held in contempt.
We're prosecuting those on one side of the political spectrum.
Correct.
Correct.
So if you think it can't happen to you, you know, I would imagine that all of these lawyers that are now facing jail time in Georgia figured, well, I'm an attorney.
I'm doing my job.
I mean, as Alan Dershowitz said in last week's podcast, these are the same things that we did when I was fighting for the 2000 election with Al Gore.
He's like, same documents.
One of them is written by the same guy.
And they're using that as a conspiracy charge.
He said, I mean, this is, it's unreasonable.
Oh, it's more than unreasonable.
It's nefarious is what it is.
I mean, it's literally using our system of justice, the United States system of justice, to target political opponents and political appointees.
It's furthering an agenda.
We are so close to having a secret political police state that's going on in this country.
And most people, like you say, don't see it until it affects them.
And I forget exactly how it goes, but what's that famous quote, you know, during World War II?
When they came for this group, I said nothing.
When they came for this group, I said nothing.
But when they came for me, there was no one left to say anything.
That's right.
Thank you so much.
I really, I can't thank you enough for everything that you have done for the country and everything that you continue to do and the risk that you and your family have taken.
Appreciate it.
Thank your wife.
I just want to say, oh, yeah.
Trust me, I thank my wife every day.
She's the reason I'm still here.
Yeah.
So there are more than me.
There were other whistleblowers that have suffered as well.
And some have come through it and some unfortunately haven't.
But I encourage those out there in the know, like you can, you can stand up, make a decision not to comply with something that's illegal, immoral, or unjust.
As a matter of fact, your duty is to the opposite.
It's not to comply to that.
It's to challenge that authority.
All right.
You are the first line.
Those agents and those inspectors and the prosecutors and everyone, you are the first line of defense.
Like it is, it either starts with you or it ends with you.
If they control you, well, you know, it's what we fear the worst is probably a lot closer than we think.
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Let me see.
I've got one more thing that is gigantic, and I've only touched on it today.
I want to go deep here.
The Biden administration, according to Fox News, is considering forcing migrants who cross into the United States illegally to remain in Texas while they wait out their asylum screening.
Are you out of your mind?
First of all, I don't believe there's any constitutional way you can do this, but you want to put the burden on Texas and not all 50 states?
How dare you?
How dare you?
I wanted to get somebody on to talk about this who knows Ken Cuccinelli.
He is former acting DHS deputy secretary, also the former Attorney General of Virginia and now senior fellow at the Center for Renewing America.
Ken, welcome to the program.
Hey, always good to be with you.
Tell me, please, that Fox News has this wrong.
Please.
No.
You know, this administration, it's shocking, but not surprising, you know.
But this is incredible.
Your constitutional comment would apply to Americans.
Interstate travel is not something that can be constitutionally impaired for citizens, et cetera.
But this administration treats people who have invaded this country.
Their first step in here was breaking our laws as having all the rights of everyone else around them, which is not legally correct.
And yet, instead of a Remain in Mexico program, which was the most effective deterrent of numerous ones in the Trump administration to deterring illegal immigration, they have a Remain in Texas program.
You know, right when Eric Adams in New York City is saying, is calling Greg Abbott a madman for bussing, as he and Governor DeSantis have done, illegals to New York City.
And he's saying it's destroying his city.
He says it will never recover.
It will never be the same.
And how many, Stu, did we see what came up from Texas?
10,000?
Yeah, I think it was 13,000.
13,000 total came from Texas.
100,000 from all of the borders that the people are crossing.
But that's minuscule compared to what Texas is enduring.
Right.
That 13,000 is two days heavy Biden administration crossings.
Right.
Two days.
Three regular days.
So here they get a week's worth of crossing into Texas, and they're crying, uncle, and this is outrageous and dastardly.
So much for being a sanctuary city.
This is what it costs to put your money where your big fat mouth is.
And the Biden administration cares more about illegal aliens in other countries than Americans in this country.
This is a direct punishment for not playing ball with this administration.
I think that fine, do whatever you want.
We'll destroy you.
Am I reading that wrong?
No, I don't think you're reading that wrong.
And that comes at the same time that they're suing Texas to take down efforts Texas is finally making.
It took two years, but Greg Abbott has finally been trying to repel people from invading Texas.
And the case is specifically about the buoys they are using, these huge buoys in the middle of the Rio Grande to block, to essentially create their own waterwall in a particularly high crossing area to make it hard for people to get into Texas illegally.
And DOJ is spending its time and effort and resources and our money trying to stop Texas from protecting itself and then is rolling out this idea that everyone who invades Texas will then stay there.
So you're absolutely right, Glenn.
This is at the same time they're trying to trap illegals in Texas to preserve L.A. and Chicago and New York's sanctuary city status so they can keep political virtue signaling at no cost.
They're also stopping Texas from protecting Texas.
And by the way, when Texas protects their own border, they're protecting all of us.
We all know that.
So let me ask you, Ken.
So is this just specifically Texas, or does that include New Mexico and Arizona and California?
No.
Funny thing about that.
How about that?
The reporter who broke this story is a reporter I dealt with at USCIS, which is the legal immigration agency that I led before I became the deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
And he has extremely good sources inside USCIS, which is where these regulations come from.
So he's not, you know, I may not have enjoyed it while I was leading USCIS, but he tends to get, but he tends to get accurate information of at least what's being considered and thought about.
And so, you know, this is an administration effort to zero in on one state.
There can be no legitimate rationale to exclude the other border states.
There just can't be.
But of course, then you're not protecting Los Angeles, right?
Right.
So, you know, this kind of BS we've come to expect from this administration, they have been underwater with Democrat voters on their immigration policies for over two years.
Democrats don't approve of what Joe Biden does or really doesn't do.
does that tell you going going into an election with a it tells you the the lunatic fringe has the wheel in this administration That's what it tells you.
And they do.
So what are the odds that the people in the administration go forward with this?
So this one is so embarrassing.
It sounds so outrageous right off the top that I think shining the spotlight, as you're doing right now on it, may get the plug pulled.
They may say, oh, no, no, no, we were never thinking about such a thing.
Right.
We heard that about Gasto.
Yeah, I was going to say, then they go and do it anyway.
Yes.
So, but realize if they attempt to implement a policy like this, Texas is going to be in an extremely good position to sue them.
Except we have our Rhino Republicans and the Democrats trying to impeach our Attorney General.
So, you know.
Yeah, I understand.
So is good.
I understand.
They're a little distracted right now.
But the Fifth Circuit, the Fifth Circuit preserved the border barrier, the buoys that DOJ is suing over.
They did that, I want to say, yesterday, after a judge decided to rule against Texas based on a statute while ignoring the constitutional claim of Texas that they have the right to protect themselves under Article 1, Section 10 of the O Constitution, which last time I checked trumped those statutes.
But the judge ignored that.
And so the Fifth Circuit quickly blocked his injunction.
And I'm confident that the Fifth Circuit will flip that and Texas will keep its small water wall and thus have the legal authority to expand it.
And then really what we should do is ask Greg Abbott to do just that.
So, Ken, I was reading Abraham Lincoln last night, and he said we cannot be divided.
We can't be a divided country.
And his issue in his day was slavery.
Ours is, I don't know, fascism, Marxism.
I don't know what they're fighting for, but an end of the America under the Constitution.
And he said, we will.
It will only end in one way.
We will either be a nation of all slavery or we will be an all-free nation.
And that's what we're fighting this battle for right now.
And I, you know, there are people that say, you know, we should, you know, secede or, you know, whatever.
I'm going to move to, you know, the state where I'm betting on I did it.
But it can't end that way because it really will be.
Nobody's going to stop fighting.
I'm not going to stop standing up for the Constitution.
And they're apparently not going to stop standing up for madness.
Undermining it.
Right.
So do you see a way out of all of this?
What?
Do you see rays of hope?
Well, yes.
I just wonder if they'll hold.
And, you know, there's an old Reagan quiff about the wisdom of America resides with Americans.
Yeah.
And ultimately, we're going to find out.
Is there enough wisdom left and enough Americans to see this for what it is?
You know, every so often we have to elect a liberal and see the incredible damage they do and go, oh, yeah, that's why we don't elect those people.
And then somebody on our side comes in and the other side beats them by creating anger and so forth.
And let's face it, Donald Trump does nothing better than motivate opponents, literally nothing better.
And they came out and that's continued to happen over time.
But now the radical left has the wheel in this administration.
Joe Biden is a walking vegetable.
And they are implementing erase America policies, erase America's border, erase America's history, erase America's Constitution.
I just made that up.
I kind of like that.
Erase America theory.
But that is what they're doing, right?
I mean, you were trying to put a name on it, but they hate what you and I know is America.
What makes us exceptional and unique.
You talk about it all the time, and you're right.
And they hate it.
They want to drag us down to being just an average other country.
And the best way they think, the quickest way they think to do that is erase the borders, invite everybody in with every other political world history and make them citizens.
And then let them vote like they ever did in their original country that, lo and behold, didn't work there any more than blue citizens move from New York City to a red state and then vote like they did in their blue city.
And then they're surprised, wow, my red state is getting worse.
There's something to that.
Ken, thank you very much.
The only thing you said that I really disagree with is they're trying to make us an average country.
At this point, I'd fight a little less hard if I thought that they would stop at us being France.